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Wife Loses It When Hubby’s Mom Advises They Cut Back On Things During Financial Crisis

Wife Loses It When Hubby’s Mom Advises They Cut Back On Things During Financial Crisis

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Money just might be able to buy happiness, but it sure does also know how to stress-test a relationship. And at the heart of it all lies a crucial question: When things get tough, how much sacrifice is too much?

When today’s Original Poster (OP) turned to his mom—a veteran of single-income household management—her practical advice clashed with his wife’s preferences, igniting a reaction that’s less about dollars and more about principles. And yes, things escalated fast.

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    The author and his wife are in a bit of a financial crisis and decided to ask his mother to suggest a few ways they can cut down on spending

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    His mother revealed they’ve been spending on many irrelevant things, but his wife did not take that well

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    The wife went on to say that her mother-in-law was wrong about their spending and insisted that she couldn’t cut back her spending on takeout

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    The husband got frustrated and told his wife she was rather wrong, and now, she’s upset with him for siding with his mom

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    For the couple, the challenges started when the husband lost his full-time job and began working at a part-time job that didn’t match his previous earnings. With bills piling up, they had to dip into their savings to stay afloat.

    Enter his 65-year-old mom, who, after noticing his stress, offered advice from her years of experience raising three kids on a shoestring budget. Her suggestions included cutting out daily coffee runs, sticking to meal prepping, and swapping expensive brands for cheaper alternatives.

    Seeing that his mom would be very helpful in this case, the OP invited his mom to dig deeper into their spending habits and his wife was on board with this.

    The OP’s mom created a detailed breakdown of their expenses, revealing that a lot of their money was being spent on “fun” things and that most of it came from the wife’s spending. This revelation didn’t go over well.

    His wife challenged the spreadsheet, arguing that the OP’s mother’s way of doing things was simply outdated. She stood her ground, stating that maintaining their quality of life with organic food and occasional indulgences wasn’t up for negotiation.

    This led to an argument between the couple, and it reached a breaking point when the husband lost his patience after his wife refused to cut back on takeout and criticized his mom’s budgeting advice. In frustration, the OP told his wife that she was wrong, and defended his mom.

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    His wife was upset by his words, accusing him of being a jerk for siding with his mom. Since then, she’s barely spoken to him.

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    According to First Alliance, conflicting financial goals can be a major red flag in relationships. This disconnect makes it difficult for couples to work toward financial goals. They advise couples to have open conversations about their goals and find a balance between individual wants and needs to overcome such challenges.

    Unfortunately, many people aren’t able to distinguish between needs and wants. However, Bankrate explains that the key to differentiating wants and needs is assessing whether an expense is essential for survival or simply enhances comfort and lifestyle.

    Needs would include “debt obligations, healthcare, housing, transportation, utilities, groceries,” while wants, on the other hand, would include things like “entertainment, dining out, travel, leisure activities, and non-essential purchases like gadgets, snacks, [and] designer clothing.”

    To prioritize effectively, Bankrate suggests creating a clear list of essential expenses versus unrestricted spending. This can help couples navigate tight budgets and work toward financial goals without unnecessary friction.

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    While it may seem natural to turn to friends or family for financial advice, Yahoo Finance notes that turning to family and friends can be helpful; however, limited experience or perspective can lead to poor decisions, especially in tough economic times.

    Instead, they recommend seeking advice from certified financial planners or fiduciaries whose expertise aligns with your unique situation.

    The majority of commenters sided with the husband, emphasizing that his wife was being unreasonable for prioritizing things like Starbucks over the family’s financial well-being.

    Many pointed out that the financial suggestions his mother offered are still relevant, underscoring how small expenses can add up and hurt financial stability.

    Who do you think is in the wrong here: the husband for being harsh, or the wife for not taking the financial situation seriously? Please, let us know your thoughts!

    He turned to netizens to find out if he was wrong for saying his wife was wrong, but their overall sentiments show that he isn’t

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    sturmwesen
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How do adults not realize that takeout is the very first thing you cut when you have no money but more time to cook? Seriously... takeout and to go coffee were the things I cut when I was on a budget.

    Trillian
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are the things I buy sparingly even though I am not on a budget. It's a luxury, not an everyday thing.

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    moggie63
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Funny how the wife can't work full time because of mental health issues but those issues aren't affected by spending money they don't have on luxuries.

    TribbleThinking
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A person who works part time but but has Starbucks and takeout every day? What is she, a teenager who lives at home and pays no rent? I'm at the other end of the mortgage tunnel with an income, and I still couldn't justify living like that!

    Stacy Bender
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I read that the wife will only work part-time because of mental health issues, I saw red flags. Combine this with her unwillingness to give up her coffee and takeout, I'm guessing she's just an entitled princess with a c**p ton of buzz word excuses.

    greenideas
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Work is bad for my mental health." Yeah, no s**t, sherlock. You think the rest of us want to get up at 5 am in the dead of winter and work for 10+ hours with a******s, only to repeat the same thing the next day? No work=no money=no takeout.

    Captain Grump
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Obviously OP's wife needs a reality check about their finances, and it's a tough nut to crack if she won't pitch in to sacrifice and make things work when things are tight. That said, nobody wants to feel like they are ganged up on by their spouse and mother-in-law, and I'd bet she felt pressured to let his Mom poke her nose into their business. OP and his wife should have been capable of looking at expenses and figuring out where to save money together - it's not rocket science. She may have been more open to discussing things like take-out and coffee if she didn't feel like she was being blamed and outnumbered.

    Mike F
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She had the reality check but didn't like the result. Everyone knows that if you don't like the answer you're getting, you rephrase the question. /s

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    Apatheist Account2
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had a fiancée like this, 30 odd years ago: I'd been unemployed for a few weeks which was getting her down, but I managed to pick up some consultancy work for 3 days. What should we do with the money? She insisted I had to take her on holiday, not pay off the credit card (and she was earning double the national average at the time). Some people are simply not practical with money. We split within a year.

    Robin Roper
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one needs Starbucks; they want Starbucks. Wife is selfish and doesn't care OP is stressed out. He should just leave her now; she's shown him who she is.

    LonelyLittleLeafSheep
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm blown away by the number of people who don't have a budget in place and know exactly where their money goes! I log everything we spend on a spreadsheet and reconcile what the spreadsheet shows we have versus what the bank account says we have. I see commercials for apps that will find and cancel your "forgotten" subscriptions. You mean you don't know that a couple hundred dollars is disappearing out of your bank account every month? Do you never look at the bank statement? How much f*****g money do these people make? If my budget shows I'm off by even $20, I'm going through everything line by line.

    Sue User
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What I baffled at is having more subscriptions than you can remember. I have 2. Three if you count AAA ( roadside assistance )

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    Upstaged75
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This guy needs a new wife. She's a spoiled princess who needs a reality check. I have plenty of mental health issues and still manage to work full time. What a brat. I hope he leaves her.

    Mammie
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I never understand people like this. How can a grown human being justify spending on things that are unnecessary when they're broke? "Can't give up take out"?

    Sue User
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I recently travelled for work. I was so excited to get restaurant food. Even though the company was paying, I couldnt justify the cost.

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    Paul Rabit
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm sorry I know it sounds cruel, but I could never marry someone who's mental health prohibits them from working a full-time job indefinitely. Then throw in that they can't go without take-out and 'variety' when we're in a financial crunch and this is exactly the type of person I would have to stay far away from... the kind of person who throws around 'mental health' as an excuse to get of being an adult.

    Je souhaite
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not cruel It's smart those people just love making excuses so they can leech off their partners, another reason to never combine finances

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    Roberta Surprenant
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being so broke that you need to hit up food banks is also bad for mental health, and they usually don't have organic produce to choose from! If she is that fixated on organic, have her start a kitchen garden at home to grow the veggies herself.

    Sue User
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Please dont advocate for people kike the OPs family to go to foodbank. If they have enough for starbucks abd takeout, they have no business going to food banks. And some places do have organic food. Trader Joes and other upscale markets donate food rather that discount if old.

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    Brenda Spagnola-Wilson
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Late husband and I lived on one income (his - I'm disabled) & raised 2 kids. One of the best things we did was give each other an allowance. We got $50 a month to spend however we wanted. If a special occasion was coming up, then we had to save for it from our allowance. We figured out that completely depriving ourselves made us feel worse. Somehow, just knowing you have a bit of cash you can spend on whatever makes sticking to the budget easier.

    Brian Droste
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When the economy went bad back in the early 2000's and lost my job and couldn't afford extras, I cut out everything I could. Even dropped my internet service for a few years until l I could afford it again. The wife is being unreasonable about their finances.

    Jim Powell
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, your wife doesn't 'want' to work, but 'needs' Starbucks and takeout. Sounds very selfish, my advice would be to run quickly.

    Schmebulock
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    LOL! The wife doesn't want to work because it's bad for her mental health (lazy) and she is the big spender. Tell her to f**k right off and work full time or stop spending. Stupid twat.

    Mike F
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't beat around the bush man, you have something to say, say it! 😂😂

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    Bette
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uh.....where does wife think money comes from?? FYI I discovered I can make my own "Starbucks latte" at home for a giant fraction of the cost AND save time on my commute by not stopping at the actual Starbucks!! Just saying......

    Tonyah Mcanelly
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband and I had a similar issue.. Our first grandson was born and I spent alot of money. That summer . So my husband and i agreed that i get a job. Fair enough. fast forward a year later when our isnurance angency started to struggle (in California. the agreement now is that i put X amount of dollars into our jpint account for bills and house hold things . anything left over is fun money . it has been working well. There are times there is no fun money for me but thats part of being in a partnership and adjusting to constant financial changes . This lady in the post is selfish and out of touch with reality.

    g90814
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love the people who flipped when he said a curse word to his wife in his frustration. oh noes! not "f**k" it's such a horrible word!

    Pandapoo
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your wife is wrong and being unrealistic. I don’t know how you can maintain a household on two part time jobs. You both either need to be working full time or each get a second part time job.

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I did a spreadsheet once of everything I spent money on because I should not be broke at the end of every month. It was illuminating to say the least. I can usually get to payday with about £100 still in account now by cutting things like take aways and also drinking less. Proper grocery shopping instead of day to day. I don't meal prep but have learnt bulk buy and freezing is a good thing.

    James King
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Neither of you geniuses realized that Starbucks every day is not a good choice when you're in financial difficulty? You deserve each other.

    The_Nicest_Misanthrope
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How the hell do you get to your eàrly/mid 30s without realising takeaway and Starbucks every day is bad for you financially? o_0

    Paul Sloan
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My wife used spreadsheets for our financials and quite frankly it was hard to look at. But I did as I was asked and I was able to retire early because of her.

    Mad McQueen
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Save what you can on your end. See what you have left over end of each week for a month. Then just ask your wife to go one week on the budget. And see what she's left with. I bet you would still have more each week than her. Give up rakeout? Ok yeah give that up. Organic? Well maybe supplement it with growing your own if possible or local farmer markets without supermarket markups (used mark a lot in that one). Your wife doesn't see the bottom of the barrel coming up fast. When saving are gone more than half belts have to tighten. I'm cutting back as much as I can. Haven't had a raise in two years. Car is falling apart. But I'm trying.

    Babs McGurk
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, this scenario was definitely different than I was expecting when I read the title. You ASKED your mom to do this, and she was being sincere and helpful, and now your wife is upset? Your mom wasn't wrong, and your wife is definitely a selfish woman in need of a reality check. There are necessities, and there are 'wants'; Starbucks and nightly ordering out are certainly in the latter category.

    Jay Walsh
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And.....Here we see why many of the current generations "can't afford" a house, or . Not willing to give up anything. not willing to give up her takeout? are you kidding. I am guessing you have 2 car payments, $100+ a month cell phone plan for just the 2 of you, and some premium streaming services too. Plus she's too lazy to work FT (bad for her mental health...whatever) Yeah, you ain't ever retiring. Since you are broke, now might be the most cost effective time for a divorce

    Alexandra
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dipping into savings in order to finance your daily life is never a good thing because you need an emergency fund. Too many people don't seem to be able to live within their means. No, you're not entitled to Starbucks if you can't afford it. You're not entitled to order take-out if cooking at home is much cheaper. This woman's approach to their financial troubles will run their financials into the ground. The guy should look for at least more hours to work, maybe something on the side and the wife should do that as well. If full-time work is not good for her mental health, does she get some kind of disability benefits? Or is it just something that she feels is true? If this is a US-based couple, it doesn't take much before you are in serious financial troubles.

    Another Panda
    Community Member
    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mental/physical health can indeed be an issue with managing ongoing routines. There’s so much here we don’t know about the wife and how she copes, manages, what issues she might struggle with, etc. It’s easy to say “just do such and such”, but there are genuine health issues where this simply does. not. work. ADHD, for example. No matter how much a neurodivergent person wants to do the disciplined thing, the neuro brain processes things very differently, and doesn’t do what it’s owner wants. ADHD isn’t a superpower, it’s a genuine liability in the world of everday, circular tasks. I do think having MIL be the advisor was a mistake, even though wife initially agrred. It adds too personal a dimension; outside advice would have been better. One commenter did a lot of positive reframing - emphasizing alternatives and temporary short-term solutions. An outside adviser might be able to do this as well, while helping set up rewarding goals to help the wife stay on track.

    Je souhaite
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Blah blah she just likes being a fat lazy cow and if she didn't have a husband she would be a welfare mommy her whole life

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    ॐBoyGanesh
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m not the most frugal person, but even I see daily Starbucks & takeout multiple days a week as an absolute waste of money. My husband & I are very comfortable financially, but maybe we stay that way because we see hyper-consumption as ridiculous & soul-crushing. He’s a physician and in clinic days he packs a lunch in his Superman lunchbox. We bought a Breville espresso/coffee machine with grinder, a terraced rack and 10 flavors of Torani syrup, and we order a case of Barista blend almond milk every 6 weeks and 5lb bag of whole bean organic espresso every 8 weeks. Factoring in our startup cost 5 years ago & keeping supplied, we spend less than a dollar on coffee drinks every morning. We’re lucky to have a nice garden & orchard, so spend very little on groceries. We make all our meals except when traveling or on special occasions. This is easily $700/mo this couple could be saving & it really doesn’t take al lush much time. It’s simply planning & effort. Maybe an hour/day.

    Agat
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, so a wife who works part time because "full time is bad for her mental health" declines to cut down on her takeout.. when they are in financial trouble, and when her husband is the main bread winner. Where do these people even come from? But a side note - I'd never accept someone telling me I'm f-ing anything. You should never swear at your partner, this is awful...

    Hoodoo
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP & his mum are right, but bringing the MIL directly into the fray was a big mistake. IMO, the marriage is doomed if the wife won't or can't grow the F up. Red-flag-o-rama. Instead of autopsying this particular conflict, OP ought consider the impact his wife's selfishness & immaturity will have on this relationship. NTA, but it was really stupid to directly involve his mum. Now he has MORE problems

    Jorge Gonzalez
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is that both of them are immature. The fact that the husband cannot do a budget and has to ask mommy to do his homework is also troubling

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    Kare Deter
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a mother and someone who has lived through financial issues I would have sat down, itemized the spending then presented them with a budget to follow that included a personal allowance. Maybe not much, but money they could spend however they wanted while following the rest of the budget.

    whiterabbit
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the million reasons you never combine finances. You want to work part-time because you're lazy and spend money you don't have on Starbucks and takeout? Go for it. Have fun being broke while I plan for my future.

    Petra brown
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA in this situation it is understandable that the f*word sneeked in. But why are you so harsh on the Wife who apparently has never been in this situation. Downscaling is hard especially if you never had to. She might feel ashamed or humiliated that this is happening ... denial is a real thing. Somebody needs to sit her down and explain to her that things happen, there is no blame or shame connected to this situation and that it is only temporary. OP and his mother went through hart times and clearly know how to get through this without piling up a huge amount of debt. You can even gamefy this to put a positive spin on a not so fun situation. Whoever cuts back the most in a week gets a little reward could be anything ... a day in the park ... sonething that does not cost money but lets you guys spend quality time together. And critizisiing her for mental health problems is a low blow. OP seems to know she has real problems. Let her know that nobody is judging her and that it will be

    Je souhaite
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everybody things they are neuro this and that they are just lazy and most likely dumb

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    sturmwesen
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    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How do adults not realize that takeout is the very first thing you cut when you have no money but more time to cook? Seriously... takeout and to go coffee were the things I cut when I was on a budget.

    Trillian
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are the things I buy sparingly even though I am not on a budget. It's a luxury, not an everyday thing.

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    moggie63
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Funny how the wife can't work full time because of mental health issues but those issues aren't affected by spending money they don't have on luxuries.

    TribbleThinking
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A person who works part time but but has Starbucks and takeout every day? What is she, a teenager who lives at home and pays no rent? I'm at the other end of the mortgage tunnel with an income, and I still couldn't justify living like that!

    Stacy Bender
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I read that the wife will only work part-time because of mental health issues, I saw red flags. Combine this with her unwillingness to give up her coffee and takeout, I'm guessing she's just an entitled princess with a c**p ton of buzz word excuses.

    greenideas
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Work is bad for my mental health." Yeah, no s**t, sherlock. You think the rest of us want to get up at 5 am in the dead of winter and work for 10+ hours with a******s, only to repeat the same thing the next day? No work=no money=no takeout.

    Captain Grump
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Obviously OP's wife needs a reality check about their finances, and it's a tough nut to crack if she won't pitch in to sacrifice and make things work when things are tight. That said, nobody wants to feel like they are ganged up on by their spouse and mother-in-law, and I'd bet she felt pressured to let his Mom poke her nose into their business. OP and his wife should have been capable of looking at expenses and figuring out where to save money together - it's not rocket science. She may have been more open to discussing things like take-out and coffee if she didn't feel like she was being blamed and outnumbered.

    Mike F
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She had the reality check but didn't like the result. Everyone knows that if you don't like the answer you're getting, you rephrase the question. /s

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    Apatheist Account2
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had a fiancée like this, 30 odd years ago: I'd been unemployed for a few weeks which was getting her down, but I managed to pick up some consultancy work for 3 days. What should we do with the money? She insisted I had to take her on holiday, not pay off the credit card (and she was earning double the national average at the time). Some people are simply not practical with money. We split within a year.

    Robin Roper
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one needs Starbucks; they want Starbucks. Wife is selfish and doesn't care OP is stressed out. He should just leave her now; she's shown him who she is.

    LonelyLittleLeafSheep
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm blown away by the number of people who don't have a budget in place and know exactly where their money goes! I log everything we spend on a spreadsheet and reconcile what the spreadsheet shows we have versus what the bank account says we have. I see commercials for apps that will find and cancel your "forgotten" subscriptions. You mean you don't know that a couple hundred dollars is disappearing out of your bank account every month? Do you never look at the bank statement? How much f*****g money do these people make? If my budget shows I'm off by even $20, I'm going through everything line by line.

    Sue User
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What I baffled at is having more subscriptions than you can remember. I have 2. Three if you count AAA ( roadside assistance )

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    Upstaged75
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This guy needs a new wife. She's a spoiled princess who needs a reality check. I have plenty of mental health issues and still manage to work full time. What a brat. I hope he leaves her.

    Mammie
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I never understand people like this. How can a grown human being justify spending on things that are unnecessary when they're broke? "Can't give up take out"?

    Sue User
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I recently travelled for work. I was so excited to get restaurant food. Even though the company was paying, I couldnt justify the cost.

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    Paul Rabit
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm sorry I know it sounds cruel, but I could never marry someone who's mental health prohibits them from working a full-time job indefinitely. Then throw in that they can't go without take-out and 'variety' when we're in a financial crunch and this is exactly the type of person I would have to stay far away from... the kind of person who throws around 'mental health' as an excuse to get of being an adult.

    Je souhaite
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not cruel It's smart those people just love making excuses so they can leech off their partners, another reason to never combine finances

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    Roberta Surprenant
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being so broke that you need to hit up food banks is also bad for mental health, and they usually don't have organic produce to choose from! If she is that fixated on organic, have her start a kitchen garden at home to grow the veggies herself.

    Sue User
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Please dont advocate for people kike the OPs family to go to foodbank. If they have enough for starbucks abd takeout, they have no business going to food banks. And some places do have organic food. Trader Joes and other upscale markets donate food rather that discount if old.

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    Brenda Spagnola-Wilson
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Late husband and I lived on one income (his - I'm disabled) & raised 2 kids. One of the best things we did was give each other an allowance. We got $50 a month to spend however we wanted. If a special occasion was coming up, then we had to save for it from our allowance. We figured out that completely depriving ourselves made us feel worse. Somehow, just knowing you have a bit of cash you can spend on whatever makes sticking to the budget easier.

    Brian Droste
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When the economy went bad back in the early 2000's and lost my job and couldn't afford extras, I cut out everything I could. Even dropped my internet service for a few years until l I could afford it again. The wife is being unreasonable about their finances.

    Jim Powell
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, your wife doesn't 'want' to work, but 'needs' Starbucks and takeout. Sounds very selfish, my advice would be to run quickly.

    Schmebulock
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    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    LOL! The wife doesn't want to work because it's bad for her mental health (lazy) and she is the big spender. Tell her to f**k right off and work full time or stop spending. Stupid twat.

    Mike F
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    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't beat around the bush man, you have something to say, say it! 😂😂

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    Bette
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uh.....where does wife think money comes from?? FYI I discovered I can make my own "Starbucks latte" at home for a giant fraction of the cost AND save time on my commute by not stopping at the actual Starbucks!! Just saying......

    Tonyah Mcanelly
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband and I had a similar issue.. Our first grandson was born and I spent alot of money. That summer . So my husband and i agreed that i get a job. Fair enough. fast forward a year later when our isnurance angency started to struggle (in California. the agreement now is that i put X amount of dollars into our jpint account for bills and house hold things . anything left over is fun money . it has been working well. There are times there is no fun money for me but thats part of being in a partnership and adjusting to constant financial changes . This lady in the post is selfish and out of touch with reality.

    g90814
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love the people who flipped when he said a curse word to his wife in his frustration. oh noes! not "f**k" it's such a horrible word!

    Pandapoo
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your wife is wrong and being unrealistic. I don’t know how you can maintain a household on two part time jobs. You both either need to be working full time or each get a second part time job.

    KatSaidWhat
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I did a spreadsheet once of everything I spent money on because I should not be broke at the end of every month. It was illuminating to say the least. I can usually get to payday with about £100 still in account now by cutting things like take aways and also drinking less. Proper grocery shopping instead of day to day. I don't meal prep but have learnt bulk buy and freezing is a good thing.

    James King
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Neither of you geniuses realized that Starbucks every day is not a good choice when you're in financial difficulty? You deserve each other.

    The_Nicest_Misanthrope
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How the hell do you get to your eàrly/mid 30s without realising takeaway and Starbucks every day is bad for you financially? o_0

    Paul Sloan
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My wife used spreadsheets for our financials and quite frankly it was hard to look at. But I did as I was asked and I was able to retire early because of her.

    Mad McQueen
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Save what you can on your end. See what you have left over end of each week for a month. Then just ask your wife to go one week on the budget. And see what she's left with. I bet you would still have more each week than her. Give up rakeout? Ok yeah give that up. Organic? Well maybe supplement it with growing your own if possible or local farmer markets without supermarket markups (used mark a lot in that one). Your wife doesn't see the bottom of the barrel coming up fast. When saving are gone more than half belts have to tighten. I'm cutting back as much as I can. Haven't had a raise in two years. Car is falling apart. But I'm trying.

    Babs McGurk
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, this scenario was definitely different than I was expecting when I read the title. You ASKED your mom to do this, and she was being sincere and helpful, and now your wife is upset? Your mom wasn't wrong, and your wife is definitely a selfish woman in need of a reality check. There are necessities, and there are 'wants'; Starbucks and nightly ordering out are certainly in the latter category.

    Jay Walsh
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And.....Here we see why many of the current generations "can't afford" a house, or . Not willing to give up anything. not willing to give up her takeout? are you kidding. I am guessing you have 2 car payments, $100+ a month cell phone plan for just the 2 of you, and some premium streaming services too. Plus she's too lazy to work FT (bad for her mental health...whatever) Yeah, you ain't ever retiring. Since you are broke, now might be the most cost effective time for a divorce

    Alexandra
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dipping into savings in order to finance your daily life is never a good thing because you need an emergency fund. Too many people don't seem to be able to live within their means. No, you're not entitled to Starbucks if you can't afford it. You're not entitled to order take-out if cooking at home is much cheaper. This woman's approach to their financial troubles will run their financials into the ground. The guy should look for at least more hours to work, maybe something on the side and the wife should do that as well. If full-time work is not good for her mental health, does she get some kind of disability benefits? Or is it just something that she feels is true? If this is a US-based couple, it doesn't take much before you are in serious financial troubles.

    Another Panda
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    1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mental/physical health can indeed be an issue with managing ongoing routines. There’s so much here we don’t know about the wife and how she copes, manages, what issues she might struggle with, etc. It’s easy to say “just do such and such”, but there are genuine health issues where this simply does. not. work. ADHD, for example. No matter how much a neurodivergent person wants to do the disciplined thing, the neuro brain processes things very differently, and doesn’t do what it’s owner wants. ADHD isn’t a superpower, it’s a genuine liability in the world of everday, circular tasks. I do think having MIL be the advisor was a mistake, even though wife initially agrred. It adds too personal a dimension; outside advice would have been better. One commenter did a lot of positive reframing - emphasizing alternatives and temporary short-term solutions. An outside adviser might be able to do this as well, while helping set up rewarding goals to help the wife stay on track.

    Je souhaite
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Blah blah she just likes being a fat lazy cow and if she didn't have a husband she would be a welfare mommy her whole life

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    ॐBoyGanesh
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m not the most frugal person, but even I see daily Starbucks & takeout multiple days a week as an absolute waste of money. My husband & I are very comfortable financially, but maybe we stay that way because we see hyper-consumption as ridiculous & soul-crushing. He’s a physician and in clinic days he packs a lunch in his Superman lunchbox. We bought a Breville espresso/coffee machine with grinder, a terraced rack and 10 flavors of Torani syrup, and we order a case of Barista blend almond milk every 6 weeks and 5lb bag of whole bean organic espresso every 8 weeks. Factoring in our startup cost 5 years ago & keeping supplied, we spend less than a dollar on coffee drinks every morning. We’re lucky to have a nice garden & orchard, so spend very little on groceries. We make all our meals except when traveling or on special occasions. This is easily $700/mo this couple could be saving & it really doesn’t take al lush much time. It’s simply planning & effort. Maybe an hour/day.

    Agat
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, so a wife who works part time because "full time is bad for her mental health" declines to cut down on her takeout.. when they are in financial trouble, and when her husband is the main bread winner. Where do these people even come from? But a side note - I'd never accept someone telling me I'm f-ing anything. You should never swear at your partner, this is awful...

    Hoodoo
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP & his mum are right, but bringing the MIL directly into the fray was a big mistake. IMO, the marriage is doomed if the wife won't or can't grow the F up. Red-flag-o-rama. Instead of autopsying this particular conflict, OP ought consider the impact his wife's selfishness & immaturity will have on this relationship. NTA, but it was really stupid to directly involve his mum. Now he has MORE problems

    Jorge Gonzalez
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is that both of them are immature. The fact that the husband cannot do a budget and has to ask mommy to do his homework is also troubling

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    Kare Deter
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a mother and someone who has lived through financial issues I would have sat down, itemized the spending then presented them with a budget to follow that included a personal allowance. Maybe not much, but money they could spend however they wanted while following the rest of the budget.

    whiterabbit
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the million reasons you never combine finances. You want to work part-time because you're lazy and spend money you don't have on Starbucks and takeout? Go for it. Have fun being broke while I plan for my future.

    Petra brown
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA in this situation it is understandable that the f*word sneeked in. But why are you so harsh on the Wife who apparently has never been in this situation. Downscaling is hard especially if you never had to. She might feel ashamed or humiliated that this is happening ... denial is a real thing. Somebody needs to sit her down and explain to her that things happen, there is no blame or shame connected to this situation and that it is only temporary. OP and his mother went through hart times and clearly know how to get through this without piling up a huge amount of debt. You can even gamefy this to put a positive spin on a not so fun situation. Whoever cuts back the most in a week gets a little reward could be anything ... a day in the park ... sonething that does not cost money but lets you guys spend quality time together. And critizisiing her for mental health problems is a low blow. OP seems to know she has real problems. Let her know that nobody is judging her and that it will be

    Je souhaite
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everybody things they are neuro this and that they are just lazy and most likely dumb

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