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30 Maternity Ward Workers Share The Worst Cases Of “You Shouldn’t Be A Parent” They’ve Ever Seen
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The miracle of childbirth is a beautiful thing. And welcoming a precious baby into the world can be an extremely emotional experience, both for the parents and for the health care workers by their side. But unfortunately, not everything that happens in the delivery room brings tears of joy to the doctors’ and nurses' eyes. Every child deserves parents, but sadly, not every parent deserves to have kids.
Employees who work in maternity wards have recently been opening up on Reddit about the absolute worst moms and dads they’ve encountered. We’ll warn you right now that these may not be the easiest stories to get through, but they’re good reminders to hold your children close today if you’re a parent. And keep reading to find a conversation with author, teacher, speaker and former midwife, Rachel Reed, PhD.
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#1
My work took me to a perinatal mental health unit.
There was a new mum who was an in-patient there, had the baby a week or two back, she had post partum psychosis and was currently catatonic.
Her husband had asked a member of staff when they could start trying for their second baby.
Wtf is wrong with his priorities??! He shouldn't be a parent. Or a husband.
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#2
My OB told me the story of his saddest delivery - he delivered a baby of a 12 year old girl. On one of the postpartum rounds when he went in to check on her, she was asleep and was sucking her thumb.
Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa) 5 days ago
I had a friend in highschool who had an abortion at 12yo. The person who got her pregnant was a family member. A lot of sad stories like that out there.
#3
Not an OB, I’m someone who gave birth. I heard another new mom in the same ward speak to her just born baby boy “shhh now, boys don’t cry” over and over. I could only imagine how that poor child will be brought up.
To learn even more about this topic, we got in touch with author, teacher, speaker and former midwife, Rachel Reed, PhD. Rachel was kind enough to have a chat with Bored Panda and explain what it's really like to be in the maternity ward.
"Very busy and task-orientated. Over the past decade there has been increased work pressures, short-staffing and excessive amounts of documentation," she explained.
#4
Was a student nurse shadowing a community health visitor. Visited a pregnant woman who hadn't found out the gender of the baby yet. She (for some reason) told us that her boyfriend (father of the baby) had been previously convicted of sexual assault against a child under 13. The mother said it so casually, and was angry that people kept judging him for a "mistake" he made.
The health visitor was horrified, and asked if she wasn't worried he would hurt her sons (2 boys under 10 from a previous relationship). She just said "of course not, they're boys!", basically admitting this man did something to a young girl.
So health visitor asked, "what if the baby you're having now is a girl?". This woman literally shrugged and said "then I'll abort it and we'll try again until we get a boy". She said it so casually, like she was talking about the weather.
I've never been more disgusting with a human, and I hope that the children are safe.
#5
Not in the maternity ward but in the ED, we have a regular patient. She has had 8 kids taken away. She said she is going to keep having them until she gets to keep one.
Brazen 5 days ago
When I was the caretaker of a small-ish apartment block, my neighbor across the hall was like this. I had no idea when I rented the apartment to her, but found out in the most horrific way later. One night she got into a fight with her bf because he tried to SA a 17 year old in the building and she stabbed him. When I called the police, they were the ones that told me about her background. She was on number 5, still drinking and doing d***s....no wonder they were taken from her.
#6
When I was in nursing school a 11 year old girl delivered a 9 pound baby, this was before epidurals, she had no idea how she got pregnant, the boys used to “play doctor with her”.
We also asked Dr. Reed what some of the most challenging aspects of being a midwife were. "The lack of time available to spend time with women and support them to recover from birth and care for their baby," she shared. "The demands of the institution to move women through the hospital and out as quickly as possible."
#7
Not an employee of a maternity ward but, I have a cousin who is a [user]. She's just had her 5th child. Every time she has a baby, it gets taken away from her and she literally has another one on purpose hoping she can keep that one. She's incredibly lucky that her parents (my uncle and aunt) have taken in all of her children so they can be together, but they are about 70 years old and have already raised 5 kids of their own. I actually hate my cousin for doing this to them. .
#8
OB nurse. Honestly, I’ve only seen two and both had been previously convicted of non-accidental traumatic injury to their infants, one of which resulted in death.
I think the only people who shouldn’t be parents are folks who don’t want kids or want to harm kids. Interestingly enough, that’s not always apparent until years later when kiddo isn’t a cute baby anymore.
I’ve taken care of lots of parents with substance use issues. Lots of them would never want to hurt their baby. They beat themselves up knowing that their addiction resulted in pain for their child. And lots of folks literally don’t know that their actions can harm the baby. Poor health literacy is very real.
b9cjc4fdfb 5 days ago
This is a very compassionate take! This person chose the right profession.
#9
I mean it’s not uncommon for a woman (who doesn’t have custody of her other 3+ kids due to d***s) to get pregnant, while still doing those same d***s, and once again not get custody of the new baby. But also like refuse to go on any long term form of birth control like an IUD that would let them do d***s in peace without making more babies. Infinitely baffling to me. If you’d prefer to do [substances] over everything else and pregnancy is unwanted, why not take steps to not get pregnant?
Dr. Reed also says it's not the job of a health care provider to judge parents. "It is their job to support them," she explained.
"In relation to the Reddit thread – care providers have legal responsibilities relating to child safety reporting," she added. "This is not about judging parents; it is about the safety of the baby."
#10
When my son was in the NICU the mom of the baby next to him would barge in, turn on the overhead lights (which were only supposed to be on for procedures) and knock on her baby’s incubator to wake them up.
#11
Paramedic here. I used to occasionally do Interfacility Transports with a NICU team (nurse practitioner, RN, and myself in the back-though they do most then heavy lifting) and so many opiod addicted newborns. I remember the first time i had to calculate a f***anyl drip for a 6lbs baby so he didn't go into withdrawals.
Can't get clean for the pregnancy, but also refuse to do anything to prevent pregnancy. It's heartbreaking.
#12
I know a couple who were foster carers. Roughly every year they'd get a newborn from a couple who were both on the sex offenders' register. They kept getting pregnant despite knowing that the baby would be removed by social services almost immediately.
HardBoiledBlonde 5 days ago
Unpopular opinion, but if one is a convicted sexual assaulter, rapist really, of children or teens then they should never, NEVER, be permitted to breed, they should have absolutely no access to more potential victims. However, let them choose from the various methods that prohibit breeding but choose one they must. I spent decades helping victims, all ages, of these crimes against humanity trying to cobble together personhood and lives worth living. Many were so profoundly damaged they could not. Many became offenders themselves not understanding the why. The cycle Must stop.
So what should parents know before entering the maternity ward? "Their legal rights regarding consent and to know that care providers are often following policies and protocols that may not fit their individual needs," Dr. Reed says.
#13
Well, I was a CPS social worker, but this story took place in a maternity ward. An addict mother had stayed off [substances] for a few days because she was scared of testing positive while birthing her baby. Gave birth, baby's father/boyfriend snuck some [stuff] in to her while still in the hospital, she nodded off and dropped the newborn out of her arms and onto the floor. Thankfully the little girl was ok in the end. A little bruised and some withdrawal symptoms, as well as small for her age, but I kept track of her until she was 6 or 7 and she was thriving. Her parents refused rehab or doing anything, so she was adopted very early by a great family.
#14
I am not an employee of a maternity ward, but I did see something awful when I went to go visit my friend after she had her baby.
Her husband was just sitting in the corner of the room playing on his switch while she is recovering from hemorrhaging and almost dying, and trying to figure out how to take care of a baby.
Things got so bad they had to resuscitate her, so when we got there a few days later, she was still looking horrible.
When she was changing his diaper, I could tell she had never changed a baby’s diaper before, let alone a boys diaper.
I tried to warn her about how boys can pee, but it was too late, and the baby peed all over her.
My husband and I are trying to help her out and get a nurse to come get her changed, and her husband is still sitting in the corner playing on his switch and ignoring everything.
When the nurse got in there, my friend eventually snapped and yelled at her husband to help her. Me and my husband and the nurse just awkwardly looked at each other.
I can’t imagine how many times nurses have to see situations like that. It would p**s me off so bad.
Beak Hookage 5 days ago
I bet that guy was *totally shocked* when she kicked him out with divorce papers stapled to his backside.
#15
Not an employee, but a parent.
January of this year, my child had to be lifelined to a specialised children's hospital. While we were there in the PICU, a young baby (6 months old, I believe) arrived and was placed in the private room next to ours. Didn't think anything of it at first but then noticed all the police. CID was there the whole nine yards. The parents weren't allowed in the room unsupervised at all.
After a day, we heard a commotion from one of the other side rooms, and it was the mother getting irate over being questioned when she did nothing wrong. Later on, it's the same thing but with the dad. The next day, a woman turned up with two other children. They were this baby's Auntie and siblings. Let's say they didn't keep their private conversation very private, and everyone in there found out why that little baby was there. The baby had several fractures and breaks. Two days later, both parents were escorted out of the hospital in handcuffs.
Read a newspaper article a few days after that the other two children were placed into foster care. They had medical histories of "accidents," too.
Those two people should never have been parents!
Dr. Reed added that we still have a long way to go in improving maternity wards. "Maternity systems were not set up to support the individual needs of mothers and babies. They were set up to support the needs of the institutions," she explained. "One-third of women leave their birth experience traumatized. We need care that better supports women and new families, rather than pointing the finger at a minority of parents."
#16
Not really the gist of the question but at a house party a gal who was so drunk she couldn’t stand up and nearly burnt holes in the furniture with her smokes and bong announced, in a comically loud stage whisper, that she was a few months pregnant but not to worry because she’d already scheduled an abortion.
The entire room heaved a sigh of relief, given she’d already had four other children seized by the state. Then someone asked why she didn’t just use birth control. Her answer? “You can’t prove that stuff works and also I’m not going to pollute my body with hormones.”
Wow.
I feel sorry for her remaining eggs.
Beak Hookage 5 days ago
Honey, with the way you indulge I don't think you're in any position to be getting self-righteous about "polluting your body".
#17
Not who you're asking but my husband's mother was 40, morbidly obese, an alcoholic, and barely not homeless. She had miscarriage after miscarriage and was found to have a uterine tumor the size of a football but she begged them to let her keep at least one ovary so she could keep trying to have a baby even though he would 100% for sure be very preterm because she didn't have enough uterus for him to grow in. The guy who finally gave her that preterm baby was someone she met in a bar that God told her would give her a baby. They were told my husband had an extremely high chance of never walking, talking, or learning to use the bathroom but that was okay because his mom really wanted a baby. Even if he was basically a baby forever. Looking at the photos, I find it hard to believe the people who brought the apnea monitor and other medical equipment didn't have an issue with how cramped or cluttered the room was. The only reason my mother-in-law ever even got this house (that's 100% my husband's now as it should be) is because of some program for low-income mothers of high-risk infants. Thankfully the doctors were wrong about my husband being disabled, unfortunately that means my MIL's religion was proven right in her eyes.
#18
My daughter had a bunch of medical problems as a baby and was hospitalized at 4 days old and we were on the paediatrics floor, her chart read failure to thrive ( she was loosing weight despite having an ng tube and her blood pressure kept dropping g randomly). Every shift change a nurse would happily burst in the room and was shocked a parent was there. After the third day I asked and they explained that failure to thrive almost always meant the parents were not caring for the baby. So the assigned nurse knew they would have a great shift of cuddling a baby (because they know that cuddled babies thrive better). It made me sad to realize that people would leave their kids for days, even weeks because they didn’t want to be there. I can understand if they have to work, or only single and have other children. The nurse’s explained this was not often the case.
#19
Not a medical professional but my baby was born premature and spent a little over a month in the NICU. It was the hardest thing I've ever experienced. My wife and I were fortunate enough to be able to do shifts and care for our little guy almost around the clock. The baby next to us was born the same day as our son and looked to have a similar experience with needing a ventilator and oxygen. To my knowledge, not once in those 34 days did he have a visitor or anyone to hold him and comfort him besides the excellent nurses there. I think about that baby a lot and I really hope he graduated and found a home with people who will love him a great deal.
#20
Not an employee but a good friend of mine has adopted two babies from the foster system who are half siblings (no idea who the dads are but they have the same mom). The mom is in her 30’s and has had 9 babies now. Shes a sex worker and d**g addict but whenever she finds out she’s pregnant she does something to go to jail where she gets clean and gives birth. Last baby she had him alone in her cell and just left him on the floor while she went back to bed. Thankfully guards found him before he froze to death. He’s the most gorgeous 3 year old now. They know where 5 of the 9 siblings (all adopted) are and keep them in touch with one another.
#21
Not a medical professional, but my folks own a group home that specializes in caring for medically complex young children who require 24hr nurse care. Most of their kids have been wards of the state. Aside from the terribly sad d**g situations others have posted about (they commonly get kids who have issues due to d***s during pregnancy), one case that stands out to me is a woman who apparently drank bleach regularly throughout her pregnancy hoping her kid would turn out blonde. Ruined the baby’s brain and caused a lot of other serious medical issues.
Heir of Durin 5 days ago
How in the world did the mother survive drinking bleach the entire pregnancy???
#22
I was a (male) registered nurse for 21 years, specializing in adolescent and children's psychiatric care. When I was in nursing school I was *very* fortunate to have gotten to observe and/or participate in six births. (My preceptor, a female L&D RN, was determined that male nursing students should get the same OB/GYN nursing rotation experience as the female students.)
One birth I attended was a 16-year-old mother who was infected with genital condyloma accuminata warts and herpes in the vagina and birth canal. The MD had decided to do a cesarian section because of the danger to the baby. The father was an 18-year-old member of the Bloods gang, who showed up in full gang regalia, all red, hat turned sideways, tons of gold jewelry, etc. My job was to get the father ready to go into the operating room to accompany the mother during the C-section. It was a struggle convincing him to disrobe out of all that gang stuff and put on scrubs. (It didn't help that the scrubs were blue, the color of his gang rivals, the Crips.) Eventually we got him there, and to his credit he didn't pass out and he held her hand and talked to her during the procedure. (She was awake, but sedated. The MD used a caudal block--spinal anesthesia.) The best moment for me was when the neo-natal nurse handed the gangbanger his son after the APGAR scores and all that. I thought to myself, "This guy's gangbangin' days are *over.* He's a Daddy now. He's got more important s**t to do."
I really, really hope the two of them got their s**t together, for the baby's sake.
#23
I was on a L&D unit as a student nurse. We had a young mother in who had just given birth to her second child. The mother refused to stop smoking Mari***na for her whole pregnancy as she didn't feel that there was enough evidence to say that it was harmful to the baby (her child was born early, underweight and with other illnesses that will follow them through life). She couldn't go more than 2 hours without going outside to smoke a joint, even if that meant leaving the baby alone in the room (refused to tell nursing staff when she was stepping out), or with her young cousin who did not know how to hold a baby, and almost let the baby aspirate on its own vomit. We had to increase her room checks to every 20 minutes out of fear for the infants safety. The cherry on top is that while all this was going on, her first child was down the hall on the peds unit for juvenile diabetes management. She had already chosen to let her first kid stay full time with his father as she didn't feel like she could care for him until she 'got her s**t together'. She didn't visit her son, not even once even though he was maybe 30 feet away.
There are far, far worse cases out there to be sure. I just can't help but wonder how both of those kids are now.
#24
I once had an 10th grade student who was pregnant with her third child. It was horrible. I felt so bad for her. All three babies were with the worst guy ever. He was so mean. (I had him in class, too.).
#25
I don't work in L & D, but both my living kids spent some time in NICU. The saddest thing to me was how few visitors there were in the NICU each time we went. It's a 50-bed NICU and often we were the only ones there.
The first time I visited my youngest baby, when I was still inpatient, I didn't talk to anyone in the unit about it. I tried to walk out to the elevator in my hospital gown. I knew where the NICU was already. The lady at the desk yelled at me to come back and made me put my name down. I said "I'm just going to see my baby" and she said they had to keep track of moms coming and going bc they had had moms just leave and never come back, abandoning their babies. 😭.
#26
I worked in an abortion clinic in the 90's and I remember a young woman who couldn't stay sober long enough to have the abortion she wanted. Fetal alcohol syndrome is more serious than people know. Sad.
Ozymandias 5 days ago
Poor lady. I hope her and her baby (if she kept it or if she didn't) are living long, happy, sober lives!
#27
When I was a student I overheard some midwives talking about some new parents. They fed the baby at 3pm and then said “we don’t need to feed it again until tomorrow, right?” The midwives were shocked and were like “oh my sweet summer child… you’re in for a shock, aren’t you?”.
Heir of Durin 5 days ago
I’m glad they asked the nurses while they could and didn’t starve the poor baby at home.
#28
Not the worst of the worst, but I was caring for a new mom who was planning to breastfeed. I offered to help her get the baby (only an hour or 2 old at this point) latched to try to feed. Mom said, “no thanks I think I’ll start tomorrow so I can rest today.” I asked her if she wanted a bottle to feed to baby for now and she declined, saying she only wanted her baby to be breastfed by her. I had to explain to her that the baby couldn’t wait until tomorrow to be fed and she seemed genuinely surprised, like she could not wrap her head around the fact that the baby needed to be fed earlier than when she decides she’s ready? Again, not the worst by any means but left me a little nervous for the baby.
Another time, I had a couple come in to have their first baby together. They each had kids from previous relationships but did not have custody of any of them, something they made sure we all knew. They kept saying that they were “gonna do it right this time!” Dad was excited to have 2 days of paternity leave from his job at Arby’s and mom was unemployed. They reeked of cigarettes and mom had tested positive for d***s and baby went straight to NICU for detox, so social services was already involved before they even left the hospital. I genuinely worried for that baby.
Had a mom with several kids come in to deliver another one. She had a CPS case open but had been evading the courts. We had a case worker waiting on the unit for her on the day of her induction to take her current kids away and eventually take her newborn after delivery.
#29
I volunteer in a NICU. Recently a "dad" who refused to be on the birth certificate started arguing and being a d**k. The baby was sleeping and he woke it up. The nurse said he handled baby roughly. They ended up having to ban him from the NICU. Cps was involved already and hopefully they continue to be.
#30
I have had two different patients this year who showed while still in the hospital that they shouldn't have had their babies. Both of them threw fits that they were too tired to feed/take care of their babies and the nurses should. One asked what the nurses were there for if not to take care of the baby, because she didn't want to. The other one said she was too tired and didn't want to feed the baby. That one came to the ER at least once in the months after the baby arrived to say she was too tired to take care of the baby and they should watch him like they're a daycare center (and also recently needed a pregnancy test because she thought she might be pregnant again).
What do you think ?
tori Ohno 5 days ago
Anybody who wants to ban abortion and contraception, and also keep blaming women for the pregnancy (11 yo can't consent) needs to read these.
Kim Gatlin 3 days ago
It wouldn't make a difference. They are convinced their behavior will gain them favor with God and that's all that matters to them. I think some reading comprehension is in order before they pick up another Bible to wave around.
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The_Nicest_Misanthrope 5 days ago
Worked with a woman once who was on baby number 6 and kept having them taken off her by CPS for negligence. She had learning difficulties and did genuinely want the kid, but didn't know how to even care for herself, never mind a baby. She said she'd keep getting pregnant til she could keep one. I asked her why sue didn't get birth control, and she told me she was Catholic. Worked with her for over a year and never saw her go to church once.
Content Wombat 5 days ago
This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever read on Bored Panda. All those poor children who don't stand a chance :( x
whodunnitfan2013 5 days ago
And there's disgusting sickos that think these stories are good things, like literal children giving birth.
Liz The Biz 5 days ago
I know someone who has a severely disabled son. Nobody ever had a good word to say about her. The first time I met her she seemed OK, friendly enough, and I thought maybe people were being a bit hard on her. After all it couldn't be easy as a single mum raising a disabled child. I later found out that her son was disabled because she'd tried to smother him when he was just a few weeks old and his brain got starved of oxygen. Why on earth social services allowed her to keep him I will never know. She went on to have another two babies who were taken away from her as soon as they were born.
arthbach 5 days ago
I was only able to read a few of these. It made me realise how thankful I am to all of the professionals who look after these tiny babies who have not received the love and care they deserve. Thank you to the midwives, nurses, doctors, hospital staff, social workers, child protection officers and lawyers. Thank you for all you do to help secure a better future for these babies. I could not do your job, and I'm very glad you are able to do it. Little ones need this protection.
Nikole 5 days ago
Well I want to cry and have the ability to sterilize people now. Good thing all women in the U.S. have access to prenatal care and the ability to get birth control and/or an abortion… Oh, wait.
BTDubs 5 days ago
What is with you and wanting to sterilize people? It's not fucken cool/funny to talk so casually about taking someones human rights away.
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AnaBanana 4 days ago
Knew a woman (friend of a friend) who drank a lot throughout her pregnancy. She had 4 daughters and was trying desperately for a son. Well she had a son and he is severely disabled due to her drinking. He cannot walk, is blind, and mentally disabled. To this day she does not believe that her drinking caused his disabilities and is the religious type who says she was given a disabled child by "God" 🙄 Now that I have a 4 month old these types of stories seem to affect me more. I just keep picturing my daughter in these scenarios and cannot fathom poor little babies going through this. She is so aware and happy and just wants to be loved at 4 months old as all babies do and it's heartbreaking how many babies will never get that 💔
Uncle Schmickle 5 days ago
Re : BT Dubs comment below ...... sterilisation / eugenics will have to be enacted sooner or later, or the world will be overrun by druggies / alcoholics / serial killers, etc. A medical friend showed me research that when abortions were outlawed / unavailable, the next 20 or so years saw a dramatic rise in the numbers of murders, serial killings, etc.
Sweetie Dahling 5 days ago
Do you have the title, year & authors of that study? Because a statistically significant increase (if that's even the case in just this one study) and being "overrun by" are two vastly different things. I hope your friend explained how to interpret statistics and limitations of certain research methodologies to you.
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tori Ohno 5 days ago
Anybody who wants to ban abortion and contraception, and also keep blaming women for the pregnancy (11 yo can't consent) needs to read these.
Kim Gatlin 3 days ago
It wouldn't make a difference. They are convinced their behavior will gain them favor with God and that's all that matters to them. I think some reading comprehension is in order before they pick up another Bible to wave around.
Load More Replies... The_Nicest_Misanthrope 5 days ago
Worked with a woman once who was on baby number 6 and kept having them taken off her by CPS for negligence. She had learning difficulties and did genuinely want the kid, but didn't know how to even care for herself, never mind a baby. She said she'd keep getting pregnant til she could keep one. I asked her why sue didn't get birth control, and she told me she was Catholic. Worked with her for over a year and never saw her go to church once.
Content Wombat 5 days ago
This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever read on Bored Panda. All those poor children who don't stand a chance :( x
whodunnitfan2013 5 days ago
And there's disgusting sickos that think these stories are good things, like literal children giving birth.
Liz The Biz 5 days ago
I know someone who has a severely disabled son. Nobody ever had a good word to say about her. The first time I met her she seemed OK, friendly enough, and I thought maybe people were being a bit hard on her. After all it couldn't be easy as a single mum raising a disabled child. I later found out that her son was disabled because she'd tried to smother him when he was just a few weeks old and his brain got starved of oxygen. Why on earth social services allowed her to keep him I will never know. She went on to have another two babies who were taken away from her as soon as they were born.
arthbach 5 days ago
I was only able to read a few of these. It made me realise how thankful I am to all of the professionals who look after these tiny babies who have not received the love and care they deserve. Thank you to the midwives, nurses, doctors, hospital staff, social workers, child protection officers and lawyers. Thank you for all you do to help secure a better future for these babies. I could not do your job, and I'm very glad you are able to do it. Little ones need this protection.
Nikole 5 days ago
Well I want to cry and have the ability to sterilize people now. Good thing all women in the U.S. have access to prenatal care and the ability to get birth control and/or an abortion… Oh, wait.
BTDubs 5 days ago
What is with you and wanting to sterilize people? It's not fucken cool/funny to talk so casually about taking someones human rights away.
Load More Replies... AnaBanana 4 days ago
Knew a woman (friend of a friend) who drank a lot throughout her pregnancy. She had 4 daughters and was trying desperately for a son. Well she had a son and he is severely disabled due to her drinking. He cannot walk, is blind, and mentally disabled. To this day she does not believe that her drinking caused his disabilities and is the religious type who says she was given a disabled child by "God" 🙄 Now that I have a 4 month old these types of stories seem to affect me more. I just keep picturing my daughter in these scenarios and cannot fathom poor little babies going through this. She is so aware and happy and just wants to be loved at 4 months old as all babies do and it's heartbreaking how many babies will never get that 💔
Uncle Schmickle 5 days ago
Re : BT Dubs comment below ...... sterilisation / eugenics will have to be enacted sooner or later, or the world will be overrun by druggies / alcoholics / serial killers, etc. A medical friend showed me research that when abortions were outlawed / unavailable, the next 20 or so years saw a dramatic rise in the numbers of murders, serial killings, etc.
Sweetie Dahling 5 days ago
Do you have the title, year & authors of that study? Because a statistically significant increase (if that's even the case in just this one study) and being "overrun by" are two vastly different things. I hope your friend explained how to interpret statistics and limitations of certain research methodologies to you.
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