Mom Sets Up Fundraiser For Daughter’s Trip To Africa, Gets Agitated Over Lack Of Donations
We want to get along with our colleagues. After all, few things drain you as much as unnecessary drama.
However, a person who goes by Ved on the forum Mumsnet fears they have no choice but to confront one of their co-workers. The issue? Relentless begging for donations to a fundraiser.
A woman that Ved works with wants to send her daughter on a trip to Africa, but since it costs a lot of money, the mom is asking others to contribute. And as the deadline approaches, she’s getting increasingly pushy.
Parents want the best for their kids, but their enthusiasm can sometimes come across as pushy or excessive
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Especially when they want others to contribute to their child’s success
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Rejection is part of raising funds
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It sounds like the woman might think her cause is compelling enough to warrant repeated requests for donations, even at the risk of annoying other people.
But Judith Martin, aka Miss Manners, who was awarded the United States National Humanities Medal for her contributions to society as America’s foremost etiquette columnist and author, does not believe that a noble goal excuses rude behavior.
“It is indeed a common fundraising technique to work the embarrassment that people might feel when refusing friends and colleagues, among whom they live and work (and who are likely familiar with their financial capabilities),” she writes.
“Even generous philanthropists do not enjoy social pressure. And at what cost, financially? Those who contribute only as a favor to you, rather than from genuine interest, might then reasonably expect you to contribute equally to their favorite charities.”
She is not alone.
Neon One is a company that provides software solutions tailored for nonprofits to help them manage fundraising, donor relationships, events, and other administrative tasks.
According to their experts, not every request results in a donation, and people trying to raise funds should understand that rejection is a natural part of the process, as well as an opportunity to learn.
If someone declines to give, they say, you should respond graciously and thank them for considering your request, not continue bombarding them with messages, trying to change their mind.
As the story went viral, its author provided more information in the comments
People who have read the story believe the mom is out of line
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Anywhere I've ever worked (from 16-60), there are definite rules about asking for any kind of donation. When I say rules, I mean NO asking for donations. This is why.
Not just donations, but selling things, too. Like kids selling candy bars to raise money for a team or whatnot. It's totally inappropriate in the workplace. And, like you said, this is why.
Load More Replies...My daughter will be going to South Africa next year on a trip from college. £2200 + vaccines + other expenses. There is absolutely no way we would ever consider asking other people to contribute towards paying for it. If we couldn't afford it, she wouldn't be going. It really is that simple. Someone needs to tell this person to fűck right off.
It cost me £1000 + flights + personal expenses (I've spent about £200). Some of the vaccines are free if she can prove that she will be working in certain conditions. Hep ABC, for instance, was free for me via the NHS because we were going to be living and working in sub-optimal conditions, and I have been registered with a serious chronic illness.
Load More Replies...Wow, this woman needs to wear a sign that says "INSUFFERABLE". Don't give her a penny.
Ugh reminds me of my ex bosses who were millionaires and they begged regularly for funds for their severly disabled child, of whom they got regular large checks for from the government because he was born disabled (they knew at 4 months he would be severely disabled due to lack of oxygen and would need round the clock care 24/7). They guilted everyone to fork out money for every single event they held. People donated time, money, resources etc and not once did the family pay one thing. Special schools, hand outs; wheel chairs never used and custom made, hand outs; sent the child to America and they had a huge 3 week Disney vacation whilst the child was looked after in care, hand outs paid for the lot. Food, clothes, you name it, hand outs. They left the child in the elderly grandmother's care 90% of the time and she paid for everything instead of them. They gaslit her into it saying she should do it because her beloved grandchild needed it and if she loved him she would sacrifice it.
I know a couple like that. They spend more energy and time applying and begging for handouts for their marginally impaired child than they would just working regular jobs with health benefits. Ugh. Other people and I feel like they're exaggerating their child's imperceivable impairment in order to never work a day. I mean, even it it's as bad as they claim, ONE of them could work!
Load More Replies...It does. There may be a policy prohibiting this but HR hasn't been made aware of what's going on.
Load More Replies...Honestly if tge family can't afford to send tge child on the trip then the child shouldn't get to go. It's not essential to her education and if she's desperate to help people in poverty then she could volunteer locally. As for the mother she needs to be told straight up to stop pestering, it's not nice and not going to encourage people to help. As for calling out people who gave more money I hope they ask for their gifts back because I truly wouldn't want to encourage her
I had someone like this is work asking for funds to do a charity bike ride in Peru. I didn’t give them a f*****g penny. If they were sincere about raising money, they’d cycle from Blackpool to Hull. F**k your free holiday 😀
Bike ride as in those $5000au bicycles or a motor bike one? Either way, bikes are expensive, if he can afford the bikes and fashions to go with it, he can afford to get to Peru
Load More Replies...In many workplaces, at least in the USA, collecting funds is banned. Can't even sell Girl Scout Cookies to your co-workers. I would complain to management, see if they care about this at all.
It’s still done though. As long as there’s no harassment or pressure, I don’t care. Don’t be a narc.
Load More Replies...The way some people act like they’re doing the world a favor by traveling internationally… I do not know how we arrived here, but I have issues with people in my life acting like travel is some kind of moral imperative and if you don’t do it regularly you are missing out/not well-rounded as a person. Recreational travel - I include voluntary “charity” expeditions in this - is a LUXURY. No one is entitled to see the world because their soul yearns for adventure or whatever the frïck. In my universe, I work to provide for my needs, and if I’m able to earn beyond that, I might look for something fun to do or buy within those means. Bully for you if that results in you touring Italy or whatever, but don’t you dare go to others and act like they should give up a dollar of THEIR extra money because you don’t have as much as you wished. Rant over.
One of lawyer in-laws told us about interviewing newly minted lawyers. Many cited trips overseas for volunteer work. That told him they had money for the trip. He was more interested in the law student who worked part-time selling cars to pay for law school.
Load More Replies...I would tell her there’s a reason why GoFundMe exists, and that there is where she should do her begging, not the people who are stuck working around her insufferable beggar’s a*s 40 +/- hours every week. Otherwise, I would start hitting her up for donations to everything I want but can’t afford, like a new house or a boat, or anything that’s simply beyond my means to buy myself. Same difference. Because, just like I can live without a new house or a boat, her precious daughter will survive not going to Africa until later when she can pay for the trip all by herself.
I have never given to a GoFundMe effort & never will. It's a scammer's dream.
Load More Replies...Practice saying this: “It’s not in my budget.” Repeat as necessary. No further explanation is required.
That suggests you are generally willing. I would straight up tell her that if I want to donate I donate to a charity and not a vacation.
Load More Replies...She can just state she barely has enough for the kids in her relations families and needs to keep a roof over her head and a plan for the future with what little is left.
In cases like this, or when I'm stopped in the street by a "cheggar" (charity beggar) I tell them I support six charities. These are close to my heart for personal or family reasons: cancer research, British Heart Foundation, Water Aid . . . So yes, I am happy to contribute but YOU tell me which charity I stop giving to . . . . Barnardos? Cancer Research? Oxfam?
My daughter went to the UK through one of these organizations, People to People or something like that. One of the first things they discussed was getting friends and relatives to donate. It was such a huge part of the experience. She received maybe $500 in donations. We footed the rest of the $10k bill. Glad she had the experience but I'll never participate is something like that again
A $10,000 holiday to the UK? Where did they stay? Buck House?
Load More Replies...Set up a (fake) fund raiser page for your next holiday and when she asks again, say "I'm glad you brought that up. Here is a link to my fundraiser page for my trip. I know you'll be really keen to donate".
Block the b***h on FB and if she approaches you at work, tell her that you’re going to report her to Human Resources for harassment. Also inform her that you and her ain’t friends and it’s never gonna happen.
I hate this Performative Social Justice Tourism, paying thousands of dollars so some rich kids can donate $50 to poor people who were chosen because they're more interesting looking than local poor people and the setting are more photogenic. Looking at prices of flights and hotels, £6,000 per individual can pay for a luxury trip to Namibia, and even asking for friends and family to fund a high school's luxury trip is ridiculous, much less asking coworkers.
Giving is one thing, but if someone wants to guilt trip me, I just say "I don't do humans". Giving them a dirty look also helps.
Send the woman one email that says you will not be able to contribute (no explanation required) and to please cease and desist with her demands. Be sure to keep all emails from the woman. If at any time she uses work email to demand money from you, forward that email to your manager and HR and 1) ask if solicitation of this sort is allowed under company policy and 2) inform them that you are very uncomfortable with this situation, her demands are bordering on harassment and hostile work environment. (And by the way, if any of your other colleagues have expressed distaste for this woman's money grab, suggest they should also email HR and the manager.)
I get upset with schools that set up these ridiculously expensive trips. Families can't afford this. I bet if the schools had to pay for the trips, the trips would become reasonable. OP needs to admit to herself that it isn't going to happen, followed by a discussion with her child.
Emily may WANT to go & her mom may WANT her to go, but who else gives a flip, & why should they? It sounds like Emily's parents could afford to pay for the trip, or at least part of it, little miss could get a job. OP should say, "No, I wont be contributing, but thank you for asking," & no matter what the shameless mom says, keep saying it, no blinking, no flinching, no explaining or giving reasons. It's not easy to do but when she realizes she's met an immoveable brick wall, she'll more than likely give up. She's like any other bully & needs to be stood up to..
Also, Namibia? It has a small population but is quite developed in areas. Is she thinking she's going to pose in front of grass huts or something?
I have an aunt doing this right now to send her and my.cousin on a sponsored walk to the Appalachian Trail. They already went 3 years ago....
Daughter should have had a job months ago . She needs to learn if you want something bad enough you work for it. You can't depend on your mum's friends to pay for your vacation.
I would tell her that if she keeps this up, I'm going for harassment. I had someone do this to me for their machu picu trip - "for charity". After the second time I said when they do an equivocal donation to my charity rather than their dream holiday. Blocked. Gutted. Pfffft. Block that b***h, let her tell everyone the reason, that's not going to be a good look for her.
Start your own fundraising site for your holiday and ask her to contribute first then match funds - problem solved.
"I see that you have not donated to Emily's fund yet... Blah Blah Blah". The only response should be: Yeah, and I see you haven't thanked those who have donated below 50 quid so here's a penny for your troubles. SMH!!!
I suspect it may be Duke of Edinburgh Awards trip. So the students have to charity fundraise to go on the trip. But fundraise. Not beg. I'd speak to HR and see if there's a policy. If none, donate £1 and add a comment "paying to stop the persistent harassment tbh."
I don't give a damn who's posting it or why, when this stupid fvcking crowdfunding $h!t went from helping out during short-term emergencies and a way for charities to raise money, to letting people beg and demand money online for whatever reason, it became nothing but a bull$h!t scam. I refuse to give anything to online beggars for any reason, because of how so-called "fundraising" and "crowdfunding" has changed over the years.
Although I won't donate for this kind, however, the trip could be eye-opening, and an educational event, if the daughter is intelligent enough to catch all.
Sorry there's no WAY it actually costs £6000, because no school would expect a student to raise that kind of money
Just be honest and say no. Where on earth did they get the figure of £6k for a school trip from? That's ridiculous! The whole family could go for that amount.
OP should counter every request by asking this woman for contributions for one of the OP's relatives (real or fictional). "I'm sorry, but I'm trying to come up with money to send my niece Marsha to band camp this summer. How much do you think you could give?"
Anywhere I've ever worked (from 16-60), there are definite rules about asking for any kind of donation. When I say rules, I mean NO asking for donations. This is why.
Not just donations, but selling things, too. Like kids selling candy bars to raise money for a team or whatnot. It's totally inappropriate in the workplace. And, like you said, this is why.
Load More Replies...My daughter will be going to South Africa next year on a trip from college. £2200 + vaccines + other expenses. There is absolutely no way we would ever consider asking other people to contribute towards paying for it. If we couldn't afford it, she wouldn't be going. It really is that simple. Someone needs to tell this person to fűck right off.
It cost me £1000 + flights + personal expenses (I've spent about £200). Some of the vaccines are free if she can prove that she will be working in certain conditions. Hep ABC, for instance, was free for me via the NHS because we were going to be living and working in sub-optimal conditions, and I have been registered with a serious chronic illness.
Load More Replies...Wow, this woman needs to wear a sign that says "INSUFFERABLE". Don't give her a penny.
Ugh reminds me of my ex bosses who were millionaires and they begged regularly for funds for their severly disabled child, of whom they got regular large checks for from the government because he was born disabled (they knew at 4 months he would be severely disabled due to lack of oxygen and would need round the clock care 24/7). They guilted everyone to fork out money for every single event they held. People donated time, money, resources etc and not once did the family pay one thing. Special schools, hand outs; wheel chairs never used and custom made, hand outs; sent the child to America and they had a huge 3 week Disney vacation whilst the child was looked after in care, hand outs paid for the lot. Food, clothes, you name it, hand outs. They left the child in the elderly grandmother's care 90% of the time and she paid for everything instead of them. They gaslit her into it saying she should do it because her beloved grandchild needed it and if she loved him she would sacrifice it.
I know a couple like that. They spend more energy and time applying and begging for handouts for their marginally impaired child than they would just working regular jobs with health benefits. Ugh. Other people and I feel like they're exaggerating their child's imperceivable impairment in order to never work a day. I mean, even it it's as bad as they claim, ONE of them could work!
Load More Replies...It does. There may be a policy prohibiting this but HR hasn't been made aware of what's going on.
Load More Replies...Honestly if tge family can't afford to send tge child on the trip then the child shouldn't get to go. It's not essential to her education and if she's desperate to help people in poverty then she could volunteer locally. As for the mother she needs to be told straight up to stop pestering, it's not nice and not going to encourage people to help. As for calling out people who gave more money I hope they ask for their gifts back because I truly wouldn't want to encourage her
I had someone like this is work asking for funds to do a charity bike ride in Peru. I didn’t give them a f*****g penny. If they were sincere about raising money, they’d cycle from Blackpool to Hull. F**k your free holiday 😀
Bike ride as in those $5000au bicycles or a motor bike one? Either way, bikes are expensive, if he can afford the bikes and fashions to go with it, he can afford to get to Peru
Load More Replies...In many workplaces, at least in the USA, collecting funds is banned. Can't even sell Girl Scout Cookies to your co-workers. I would complain to management, see if they care about this at all.
It’s still done though. As long as there’s no harassment or pressure, I don’t care. Don’t be a narc.
Load More Replies...The way some people act like they’re doing the world a favor by traveling internationally… I do not know how we arrived here, but I have issues with people in my life acting like travel is some kind of moral imperative and if you don’t do it regularly you are missing out/not well-rounded as a person. Recreational travel - I include voluntary “charity” expeditions in this - is a LUXURY. No one is entitled to see the world because their soul yearns for adventure or whatever the frïck. In my universe, I work to provide for my needs, and if I’m able to earn beyond that, I might look for something fun to do or buy within those means. Bully for you if that results in you touring Italy or whatever, but don’t you dare go to others and act like they should give up a dollar of THEIR extra money because you don’t have as much as you wished. Rant over.
One of lawyer in-laws told us about interviewing newly minted lawyers. Many cited trips overseas for volunteer work. That told him they had money for the trip. He was more interested in the law student who worked part-time selling cars to pay for law school.
Load More Replies...I would tell her there’s a reason why GoFundMe exists, and that there is where she should do her begging, not the people who are stuck working around her insufferable beggar’s a*s 40 +/- hours every week. Otherwise, I would start hitting her up for donations to everything I want but can’t afford, like a new house or a boat, or anything that’s simply beyond my means to buy myself. Same difference. Because, just like I can live without a new house or a boat, her precious daughter will survive not going to Africa until later when she can pay for the trip all by herself.
I have never given to a GoFundMe effort & never will. It's a scammer's dream.
Load More Replies...Practice saying this: “It’s not in my budget.” Repeat as necessary. No further explanation is required.
That suggests you are generally willing. I would straight up tell her that if I want to donate I donate to a charity and not a vacation.
Load More Replies...She can just state she barely has enough for the kids in her relations families and needs to keep a roof over her head and a plan for the future with what little is left.
In cases like this, or when I'm stopped in the street by a "cheggar" (charity beggar) I tell them I support six charities. These are close to my heart for personal or family reasons: cancer research, British Heart Foundation, Water Aid . . . So yes, I am happy to contribute but YOU tell me which charity I stop giving to . . . . Barnardos? Cancer Research? Oxfam?
My daughter went to the UK through one of these organizations, People to People or something like that. One of the first things they discussed was getting friends and relatives to donate. It was such a huge part of the experience. She received maybe $500 in donations. We footed the rest of the $10k bill. Glad she had the experience but I'll never participate is something like that again
A $10,000 holiday to the UK? Where did they stay? Buck House?
Load More Replies...Set up a (fake) fund raiser page for your next holiday and when she asks again, say "I'm glad you brought that up. Here is a link to my fundraiser page for my trip. I know you'll be really keen to donate".
Block the b***h on FB and if she approaches you at work, tell her that you’re going to report her to Human Resources for harassment. Also inform her that you and her ain’t friends and it’s never gonna happen.
I hate this Performative Social Justice Tourism, paying thousands of dollars so some rich kids can donate $50 to poor people who were chosen because they're more interesting looking than local poor people and the setting are more photogenic. Looking at prices of flights and hotels, £6,000 per individual can pay for a luxury trip to Namibia, and even asking for friends and family to fund a high school's luxury trip is ridiculous, much less asking coworkers.
Giving is one thing, but if someone wants to guilt trip me, I just say "I don't do humans". Giving them a dirty look also helps.
Send the woman one email that says you will not be able to contribute (no explanation required) and to please cease and desist with her demands. Be sure to keep all emails from the woman. If at any time she uses work email to demand money from you, forward that email to your manager and HR and 1) ask if solicitation of this sort is allowed under company policy and 2) inform them that you are very uncomfortable with this situation, her demands are bordering on harassment and hostile work environment. (And by the way, if any of your other colleagues have expressed distaste for this woman's money grab, suggest they should also email HR and the manager.)
I get upset with schools that set up these ridiculously expensive trips. Families can't afford this. I bet if the schools had to pay for the trips, the trips would become reasonable. OP needs to admit to herself that it isn't going to happen, followed by a discussion with her child.
Emily may WANT to go & her mom may WANT her to go, but who else gives a flip, & why should they? It sounds like Emily's parents could afford to pay for the trip, or at least part of it, little miss could get a job. OP should say, "No, I wont be contributing, but thank you for asking," & no matter what the shameless mom says, keep saying it, no blinking, no flinching, no explaining or giving reasons. It's not easy to do but when she realizes she's met an immoveable brick wall, she'll more than likely give up. She's like any other bully & needs to be stood up to..
Also, Namibia? It has a small population but is quite developed in areas. Is she thinking she's going to pose in front of grass huts or something?
I have an aunt doing this right now to send her and my.cousin on a sponsored walk to the Appalachian Trail. They already went 3 years ago....
Daughter should have had a job months ago . She needs to learn if you want something bad enough you work for it. You can't depend on your mum's friends to pay for your vacation.
I would tell her that if she keeps this up, I'm going for harassment. I had someone do this to me for their machu picu trip - "for charity". After the second time I said when they do an equivocal donation to my charity rather than their dream holiday. Blocked. Gutted. Pfffft. Block that b***h, let her tell everyone the reason, that's not going to be a good look for her.
Start your own fundraising site for your holiday and ask her to contribute first then match funds - problem solved.
"I see that you have not donated to Emily's fund yet... Blah Blah Blah". The only response should be: Yeah, and I see you haven't thanked those who have donated below 50 quid so here's a penny for your troubles. SMH!!!
I suspect it may be Duke of Edinburgh Awards trip. So the students have to charity fundraise to go on the trip. But fundraise. Not beg. I'd speak to HR and see if there's a policy. If none, donate £1 and add a comment "paying to stop the persistent harassment tbh."
I don't give a damn who's posting it or why, when this stupid fvcking crowdfunding $h!t went from helping out during short-term emergencies and a way for charities to raise money, to letting people beg and demand money online for whatever reason, it became nothing but a bull$h!t scam. I refuse to give anything to online beggars for any reason, because of how so-called "fundraising" and "crowdfunding" has changed over the years.
Although I won't donate for this kind, however, the trip could be eye-opening, and an educational event, if the daughter is intelligent enough to catch all.
Sorry there's no WAY it actually costs £6000, because no school would expect a student to raise that kind of money
Just be honest and say no. Where on earth did they get the figure of £6k for a school trip from? That's ridiculous! The whole family could go for that amount.
OP should counter every request by asking this woman for contributions for one of the OP's relatives (real or fictional). "I'm sorry, but I'm trying to come up with money to send my niece Marsha to band camp this summer. How much do you think you could give?"
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