Mom-Of-Six Explains Why “Men Cause 100% Of Unplanned Pregnancies” And Many Agree
An American mother of six has decided to share her opinion on a sensitive subject, and she’s not willing to compromise. Author Gabrielle Stanley Blair, 44, from Oakland, California, turned to Twitter to argue that unplanned pregnancy is always the man’s fault, no matter what the circumstances and her thread went viral.
“I’ve been working out the thoughts on unprotected sex and birth control I presented in the article over the last year,” Gabrielle told Bored Panda. “I actually wrote the thread about three months ago, and then hesitated to make it public — Twitter can be a harsh place, and I worried my family would be attacked.” Watching the Kavanaugh hearings, however, got her to hit publish.
Also, Blair is a Mormon, and she thinks that when it comes to abortion, her religious beliefs are on her side, too. “The Mormon church has guidelines that include abortion as an option for rape, the health of the mother, etc., and those exceptions can’t happen if abortion clinics are illegal,” she added. “My interpretation of the Mormon church’s take is that it is pro-legal abortion and contraception. Other church members may interpret things in favor of anti-abortion.
Generating nearly 185,000 likes and over 72,000 retweets, Gabrielle’s tweet reignited the ever-lasting debate and if you want to join it, tell us your thoughts in the comments.
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Author Gabrielle Blair from California turned to Twitter to argue that unplanned pregnancies are always the man’s fault
And her unapologetic thread has generated nearly 185,000 likes and over 72,000 retweets
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me and my wife have 2 kids, they were planned, they are beautiful, but the births were not great. but all is ok now. thankfully. now we don't want any more kids, so instead of her having to go through any more trauma (operations etc) I decided I couldn't let her go through anything as she'd been through enough, so I had 'the snip'. Best thing ever for us, no worries, no stress, just good ol' fashioned fun! It's not the answer for everyone, but it worked for us.
Stellermatt, your wife and your children are enjoying a husband/father who actually does what the stereotype of a husband/father does: you shoulder responsibility. You are not alone, but I would be enormously pleased to see more of your kind to come forward and openly talk about their life choices on topics such as this one, or discussions between men about how thoroughly unacceptable it is to beat your wife/partner/girlfriend, etc. Other men and boys need good and real role models. Thank you for sharing.
Load More Replies...it's ridiculous how little this sort of thing is talked about. I wasn't pressured into it, it was 100% what I wanted to do and felt would be the best thing to do. When I discussed it with my Doctor he shook my hand and spoke of his respect for my choice. My wife was so grateful and even my mother spoke of her pride. It's just a shame the anesthetic didn't work and I had to have 3 injections and ended up feeling most of the op... still, onwards and upwards!
I don't even know what to say. That whole post just explained everything. When a teenage girl gets pregnant, everybody blames her. But nobody bats an eye at the guy who got her pregnant.
Is it just me or are people wondering what role a woman apparently has in a sexual relationship as understood by Ms Blair? It seems to me that her approach removes agency from women as participating equal partners in sexual encounters and decisions.
Load More Replies...Dian, 99% of this post is about consensual encounters, making the woman an equal partner in the decision. Ideally, every couple would have a responsible conversation about everything involved before anyone got started in any sexual act, but we all know that doesn't happen. The post is about challenging the cultural assumptions that the woman is almost solely responsible for making sure she doesn't get pregnant. I don't agree with absolutely everything she says, but it was a good opportunity for me to really assess why I was disagreeing. I found an astounding amount of what I was thinking was culturally ingrained in my head and didn't hold up to logic. Clearly, shifting responsibility 100% to the man isn't the answer either, but she has some good arguments for it. Just chalk it up to a bit of hyperbole.
But shifting 100% of the responsibility on the women like it currently is , is absolutely fine… Jedi mind tricks
Did you read the entire post? A mans orgasm is what creates a child. She is stating that a mans ejaculation should be done in a way that does not put his sexual partner at risk. Where are you confused?
Most women are on some form of birth control, why should the other side of the couple not be responsible for their part in the act. Like why is it a women’s responsibility to make sure the other adult in the relationship acts responsibly? Especially where coercion and trickery can be used.
It's as if instead of telling a shooter to stop shooting, everyone who wants to go outdoors has to wear armour [that could also make you sick]. Just stop shooting FFS.
She already explained that women can use birth control if they have access to it, but if a woman is raped or sexually abused and she wasn't expecting to have forced sex, she may not have used a birth control method. Were you reading selectively?
It's just you. This is about the responsibility of the man. Obviously the woman is also responsible as she is the one carrying the child.
there are a lot of times when women are not really participating equal partners in sexual encounters or decisions.
Reasonable families will support the girl and reasonable socities blame the boy should he just wander off. This whole notion of "got her pregnant" is ridiculous, for this passivity transport the image of a helpless, externally controlled women. Two teenagers with consent sharing a bed also share the reponsibility. Rather blame prude parents who failed by raising their children without teaching them about safe sex.
I agree with you. I know a few people who got pregnant as teenagers who honestly had no idea what they were doing, and what they were risking, before it was too late. Teenage kids will get horny, and will find out about sex. The best we can do for them is properly explain why is it that they might want to wait a bit and teach them to it right when they do, instead of going around shouting abstinence and expecting teenagers of all people to not do something just because you said they shouldn't.
While that is true, the girl shouldn't have to go through the pregnancy in the first place. Her consent to sex doesn't equal her consent to pregnancy, and while it is a d**k move, the father can leave and start anew without facing physical or mental repercussions. Education is necessary, yes, but as said in the article, instating a quick, reversible procedure would simply cut out all these unwanted pregnancies. And after they grow older and truly understand the outcomes of what sex with ejaculation are, they can be held responsible to the damage it can cause.
"Her consent to sex doesn't equal her consent to pregnancy", Once she has found out that she is pregnant it is then her choice to decide to keep it or not. She has the final say in this, Hans is right you are presenting this weird image of women not having any control in the equation.
If reflected, balanced, argumentative posts do not get reflected, balanced, argumentative replies but merely downvotes, you know the army of idiologists has arrived. They believe only what they want to believe, and whoever argues against a single idea of them is an enemy. Sad. And pitiable.
I totally agree, some men think that they are 'the man' by impregnating girls and women simply because they think they can do whatever they like and not have to deal with the consequences. The girl or women on the other hand could be the in serious danger and would be humiliated if it was in high school. She wouldn't be able to get away as easily as the 'boyfriend' would as he can just simply leave school if he liked. It doesn't help that in USA that 22 men used religion to make a law on what women did with their bodies. This stuff makes my blood boil.😤😠
It makes you want to frown upon society for feeling that way. A woman gets pregnant is a man's fault 100% of the time.
In the world that I live in but in my world the boy is deemed as responsible as the girl and will suffer penalties - likely paying child support for at least the next 18 years.
They are both at fault. If you, as a man or woman, do not want to have a kid then protect yourself by using a condom, or making him use a condom, or using an IUD etc etc etc etc.
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because men can't get pregnant? she is to blame if she don't want it.
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As someone who knows a teenage dad I can tell you you're wrong. The boys always get a bollocking because they're seen as ruining the girls life. So please dispense with the man hate.
Always? And yes, teenage boys may get in trouble, but what about grown men?
"The boys always get a bollocking...." Um, no. No they don't. Just because you anecdotally know of one boy who got reprimanded, that doesn't mean all or even the majority of boys are treated similarly. Also, you know what hate is? All the blame and ruination women and girls have been subjected to, up until the last 30-40 years, for unwanted pregnancies, while those who fathered those unwanted pregnancies walked around pretty well consequence-free. That hardly compares to your one anecdotal dude getting a talking to.
So your one teenage dad is a complete representation of the entire teenage population? You can't tell us squat with that sort of data. Oh and btw it's not man hate, its finally getting people as a whole to understand the real way to curb abortions. I have always hated when a man thinks he has a say over what I do with my body. Give me a break!
Why shouldn't they get in trouble? Did the girls get pregnant when they were alone in the room? The guys CHOSE to risk that pregnancy, and they are 100% responsible for the children they CHOSE to make. This is not rocket science. They should be paying for their own children.
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yeah, because she should never be bothered with birth control.
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She explained NOTHING. She thinks we risk women for momentary pleasure. Sshe couldn't be more wrong! We don't want condom because in condom we don't feel anything and we get soft. If women didn't ONLY want natural erections from men, then men could use viagra and then men would be happy to use condoms.
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She explained NOTHING. She thinks we risk women for momentary pleasure. She couldn't be more wrong! We don't want condom because in condom we don't feel anything and most of the time we never get hard enough to even stay inside. AND WOMEN BLAMES US FOR THAT. If women didn't ONLY want natural erections from men, then men could use viagra and then men would be happy to use condoms.
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No one "got her pregnant". She chose to get pregnant. It's impossible for her to get pregnant if she didn't choose to. (Except in rape cases, of course!)
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Stfu. No one cares. It takes 2 to get pregnant. And the post was that men are at fault not that they aren’t looked at. Your just at fault of you have a baby that’s not planned. Stop blaming men for everything and get your own s**t women.
I stopped reading at "Men can't get women pregnant without an orgasm". I don't know where that lady took biologi lessons, but I was taught (and then witnessed it) that before orgasms men can produce droplets of substance that might contain spermatozoids. That also breaks apart the theory of pull-outs being effective. Heck, not even using pills & condoms is 100% sure. The only way NOT to get pregnant is not to have sex. Period. Oh two things more: woman can say NO (I refer to normal situations, not rape) and that thread was not a twitter one. Wall of text on twitter... Meh.
Also, she was not accurate in her statement that women can get pregnant only about 2 days a month. A woman can realistically get pregnant about 6 days a month. Sperm can live approximately 48-72 hours after ejaculation inside a woman's body, which means that 2 - 3 days before and 2 - 3 days after ovulation, there is a possibility of pregnancy. And to validate Alusair's post, the pre-ejaculate does have some sperm in it. One of the biological processes they teach us in medical school, first year.
Load More Replies...None of which invalidates her point: men are irresponsible about sex because they don't have to carry the consequences!
Alusair and Cheri preempted my own thoughts. Men are potentially able to impregnate women soon after they achieve an erection, because penises secrete lubricating fluid that is pretty much the same as semen, with perhaps a little less sperm. And they secrete this throughout sexual activity, just as most aroused women secrete lubricating fluids. And yes, the window for potentially getting pregnant is up to 5-6 days per cycle.
The egg only lives 12-48 hours. So while sperm may hang around for most of a week, the egg is in and out in a day (on average)
none of this invalidates the author's point. number of days, and the difference between ejaculate vs. pre-ejaculate not withstanding, arousal is necessary in the human male for intromission, but arousal is not necessary in the human female. they teach you that in real life, in addition to medical (and veterinary, and nursing)school.
Dude, by highlighting that women can get pregnant by pre cum and not even ejaculating just furthers her point that men should be more responsible with their d***s, not lessens it. Knowledgable but not intelligent.
Correct! But she does have a point about a lot of the other stuff.
To clarify: 1) An egg lives an average of 24 hours. Some studies say up to 48 hours. 2) Sometimes women can release a 2nd egg. This is usually within 24 hours of the 1st. Hence, unidentical twins. Now, we have up to 3 days after the 1st ovulation. (Give the 2nd egg up to 48 hours of life.) 4) Sperm can live up to 5 days, but the average is ~3 days. The life of both egg and sperm are longer depending on the healthiness of both individuals. 5) The most fertile days for pregnancy are 2 days before and the day of ovulation. ***The window for coitus to cause pregnancy can be up to 5 to 8 days due to up to 5 days for sperm viability after coitus and possible release of a 2nd egg having up to 48 hours. That's 5 days for sperm before ovulation, day of 1st ovulation, and 2 days after if 2nd ovulation occurs and egg lives for 48 hours.
Dr. Cheri Hayes, You're trying to nit pick and be scientific about it. Do you have nothing more to add? You're a doctor and really believe that women can get pregnant 6 days a month? If you know anything about human biology, an egg does not live 6 days so it would not be possible for her to get pregnant for 6 days. Sperm floating around in her uterus can only cause a pregnancy in the presence of an egg which is present only 1-2 days per month. And we all know the odds are exponentially greater with a full ejaculation into the vaginae instead of a few drops of sperm on the labia. Go back and pull out your science books.
Has there ever been a confirmed pregnancy from pre-seminal fluid, though? I keep hearing that it's possible, but it's never been verified as having happened.
Thank you for saving me having to look these things up. I had thought the 2 day quoted sounded wrong, and I knew about the pre-ejaculate, of course. Alusair had some good points also. There is almost nothing in life, good or bad, that is 100 percent.
As if somehow those minor errors negate the facts of the article…. Girl bye
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Cheri, You're a doctor, you should know better than the s**t your spewing. There is no way a woman could get pregnant 2 or 3 days AFTER ovulation. An egg is only viable for up to 24 hours, usually 12. If sperm didn't fertilize the egg by then, it will not happen. And sperm living in a woman that long is under peak conditions and usually wayyyyy less for the bit that does stay up there. And to further point out your BS in validating Alusairs claim, precum contains NO sperm or dead sperm usually left over from the last ejaculate. Finding sperm in precum is super rare. Unless you ladies are throwing dudes a bone by calling premature ejaculation precum, you're wrong.
Re: Alusair's: "Woman can say NO"... With respect, many women who say NO in "normal situations" end up with a penis in their body anyway. It happens even when (and often as) a woman says NO. That's how "normal" becomes *rape*.
Well, if it turns into rape that easily it wasn't a normal situation to begin with.
Sure :D me and my partner are now expecting baby, after 5 years of relationship and sex without any protection, we jist used method of "pulling out on time" and to be honest I was quite worried that we cannot have kids. But my pregnancy came so quickly after we decided we want baby, that I'm even more surprised I wasn't got pregnant much earlier :D
she said pulling out is 96% of course there's always still a risk but I do feel men need to take more responsibility with their semen.......she has good and valid points......
actually, the core argument is pretty weak to begin with. While I will agree men do need to be held responsible and accountable for having sex, this post is just ridiculous. First off, excluding cases of rape (or sexual assault through condom removal, etc) the fact that the woman was consenting to acts which may lead to pregnancy implies at least some consent to the consequences involved. Secondly, sometimes things do happen, like the condom breaking. Thirdly, sometimes, pregnancy wasn't even considered by either party as a possible consequence. Fourth, I'm not even sure what the OP means by 'unwanted'. Does she men people (like my brother) that weren't trying but still having unprotected sex, and, whatever happens will (surprise! it did.)? or does she mean people who are more like 'absolutely no children', like my girlfriend and me? Finally, what about women who lie about being on contraceptives? is the guy still at fault, even if he would have otherwise used protection?
Holding men accountable for their own d***s is a weak argument to begin with???? What lol
Women can have sex all they want and avoid pregnancy, as long as they don't have sex with men, especially men who don't practice safe sex.
Finally a great comment. Most people do not understand that mixing morals and facts never works well, and if you do not get your facts straight, you will be wrong even if right on the morals. On the other hand, it is nice that people like this women reveal their true intention by presenting fake facts or showing their lack of education.
In addition ejaculation is not 100% related to orgasm in men, since orgasm is more of a mental response rather than physiological.
It's true about pre-ejaculation, which also eliminates the whole "pulling out" stupidity. But about women saying "no", please remember the new trend for boys: removing the condom without her knowing. It's a real thing, they do this. And women can also say all they want but the moment the guy comes there's virtually nothing she can do to make him pull out, and nothing she can do once she realises the condom wasn't even there anymore.
Yes, I noticed her lack of sex ed knowledge on that too, but agree with the rest
You sound foolish, and programmed. No woman can even be pregnant without the SPERM from a man …. So The way this stupid country runs that makes us feel at fault for what comes out of a man’s penis is ridiculous, it’s THEIR penis so how is it BOTH parties? it’s not our penis or our sperm nor do we know when it’s coming out or have control of it yet we’re supposed to claim full responsibility for it??? DUPPED. Yea we are the ones blamed for the pregnancy, that makes no sense except in the deluded mind of these men which just so happens run the world. I can have sex with myself all day and no one’s getting pregnant until you bring a d**k into the picture that emits sperm, nice try though😏
@Kaye You can have sex with yourself all day and no one’s getting pregnant until you bring a d**k into the picture and he can have sex with himself all day and no one’s getting pregnant until you bring your vag into the picture, BOTH parties play their roles. Stop blaming the whole country for your personnel choices.
You were fooled in school.... pulling out won’t get you pregnant, biologically not possible. The reason why people get pregnant when using the pull out method is because not all men can control their orgasm and ejaculate before pulling out. Google it.
So in real world application, what is the difference whether the pregnancy happens because the man fails at practicing a "perfect" pull out? She is just as pregnant. It still makes using pulling out an unreliable method.
I think it could have to do with her being a Mormon? They're not always keen on accuracy and I've definitely seen them defend the "women aren't even fertile most of the time, so it doesn't matter when you have sex outside of these few days" idea before.
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Alusair it is pleasure to readed smart woman comment,Thank you.
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So you just stopped reading the article?
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That's exactly where i stopped reading as well! Also men can get orgasm without ejaculating. Also woman can get pregnant on about 5 days on month. Surely as well, if women can get pregnant only on those days, she could not have sex at all on those days? 2 days on her logic, or 7 just to be sure. Any of the contraception methods are 100% sure and when you decide to have sex, you should admit that there is slight chance to get pregnant.
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I stop reading at "..and a Mormon" . I knew this would be a 1-sided rant. Before wading though her pile of b******t, i just have one counterpoint to her argument that defeats it completely: Men Cause 100% Of WANTED Pregnancies. Now that SOUNDS sexist. Just as true. The Mormon feminist by inference, also decided that men are also 100% responsible for all the planned pregnancies out there, that VASTLY outnumber the unplanned ones. Why thank you for that, I'll scratch that one was a win for the patriarchy
When you didn't even read the article, I think you should sit down and shut up.
me and my wife have 2 kids, they were planned, they are beautiful, but the births were not great. but all is ok now. thankfully. now we don't want any more kids, so instead of her having to go through any more trauma (operations etc) I decided I couldn't let her go through anything as she'd been through enough, so I had 'the snip'. Best thing ever for us, no worries, no stress, just good ol' fashioned fun! It's not the answer for everyone, but it worked for us.
Stellermatt, your wife and your children are enjoying a husband/father who actually does what the stereotype of a husband/father does: you shoulder responsibility. You are not alone, but I would be enormously pleased to see more of your kind to come forward and openly talk about their life choices on topics such as this one, or discussions between men about how thoroughly unacceptable it is to beat your wife/partner/girlfriend, etc. Other men and boys need good and real role models. Thank you for sharing.
Load More Replies...it's ridiculous how little this sort of thing is talked about. I wasn't pressured into it, it was 100% what I wanted to do and felt would be the best thing to do. When I discussed it with my Doctor he shook my hand and spoke of his respect for my choice. My wife was so grateful and even my mother spoke of her pride. It's just a shame the anesthetic didn't work and I had to have 3 injections and ended up feeling most of the op... still, onwards and upwards!
I don't even know what to say. That whole post just explained everything. When a teenage girl gets pregnant, everybody blames her. But nobody bats an eye at the guy who got her pregnant.
Is it just me or are people wondering what role a woman apparently has in a sexual relationship as understood by Ms Blair? It seems to me that her approach removes agency from women as participating equal partners in sexual encounters and decisions.
Load More Replies...Dian, 99% of this post is about consensual encounters, making the woman an equal partner in the decision. Ideally, every couple would have a responsible conversation about everything involved before anyone got started in any sexual act, but we all know that doesn't happen. The post is about challenging the cultural assumptions that the woman is almost solely responsible for making sure she doesn't get pregnant. I don't agree with absolutely everything she says, but it was a good opportunity for me to really assess why I was disagreeing. I found an astounding amount of what I was thinking was culturally ingrained in my head and didn't hold up to logic. Clearly, shifting responsibility 100% to the man isn't the answer either, but she has some good arguments for it. Just chalk it up to a bit of hyperbole.
But shifting 100% of the responsibility on the women like it currently is , is absolutely fine… Jedi mind tricks
Did you read the entire post? A mans orgasm is what creates a child. She is stating that a mans ejaculation should be done in a way that does not put his sexual partner at risk. Where are you confused?
Most women are on some form of birth control, why should the other side of the couple not be responsible for their part in the act. Like why is it a women’s responsibility to make sure the other adult in the relationship acts responsibly? Especially where coercion and trickery can be used.
It's as if instead of telling a shooter to stop shooting, everyone who wants to go outdoors has to wear armour [that could also make you sick]. Just stop shooting FFS.
She already explained that women can use birth control if they have access to it, but if a woman is raped or sexually abused and she wasn't expecting to have forced sex, she may not have used a birth control method. Were you reading selectively?
It's just you. This is about the responsibility of the man. Obviously the woman is also responsible as she is the one carrying the child.
there are a lot of times when women are not really participating equal partners in sexual encounters or decisions.
Reasonable families will support the girl and reasonable socities blame the boy should he just wander off. This whole notion of "got her pregnant" is ridiculous, for this passivity transport the image of a helpless, externally controlled women. Two teenagers with consent sharing a bed also share the reponsibility. Rather blame prude parents who failed by raising their children without teaching them about safe sex.
I agree with you. I know a few people who got pregnant as teenagers who honestly had no idea what they were doing, and what they were risking, before it was too late. Teenage kids will get horny, and will find out about sex. The best we can do for them is properly explain why is it that they might want to wait a bit and teach them to it right when they do, instead of going around shouting abstinence and expecting teenagers of all people to not do something just because you said they shouldn't.
While that is true, the girl shouldn't have to go through the pregnancy in the first place. Her consent to sex doesn't equal her consent to pregnancy, and while it is a d**k move, the father can leave and start anew without facing physical or mental repercussions. Education is necessary, yes, but as said in the article, instating a quick, reversible procedure would simply cut out all these unwanted pregnancies. And after they grow older and truly understand the outcomes of what sex with ejaculation are, they can be held responsible to the damage it can cause.
"Her consent to sex doesn't equal her consent to pregnancy", Once she has found out that she is pregnant it is then her choice to decide to keep it or not. She has the final say in this, Hans is right you are presenting this weird image of women not having any control in the equation.
If reflected, balanced, argumentative posts do not get reflected, balanced, argumentative replies but merely downvotes, you know the army of idiologists has arrived. They believe only what they want to believe, and whoever argues against a single idea of them is an enemy. Sad. And pitiable.
I totally agree, some men think that they are 'the man' by impregnating girls and women simply because they think they can do whatever they like and not have to deal with the consequences. The girl or women on the other hand could be the in serious danger and would be humiliated if it was in high school. She wouldn't be able to get away as easily as the 'boyfriend' would as he can just simply leave school if he liked. It doesn't help that in USA that 22 men used religion to make a law on what women did with their bodies. This stuff makes my blood boil.😤😠
It makes you want to frown upon society for feeling that way. A woman gets pregnant is a man's fault 100% of the time.
In the world that I live in but in my world the boy is deemed as responsible as the girl and will suffer penalties - likely paying child support for at least the next 18 years.
They are both at fault. If you, as a man or woman, do not want to have a kid then protect yourself by using a condom, or making him use a condom, or using an IUD etc etc etc etc.
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because men can't get pregnant? she is to blame if she don't want it.
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As someone who knows a teenage dad I can tell you you're wrong. The boys always get a bollocking because they're seen as ruining the girls life. So please dispense with the man hate.
Always? And yes, teenage boys may get in trouble, but what about grown men?
"The boys always get a bollocking...." Um, no. No they don't. Just because you anecdotally know of one boy who got reprimanded, that doesn't mean all or even the majority of boys are treated similarly. Also, you know what hate is? All the blame and ruination women and girls have been subjected to, up until the last 30-40 years, for unwanted pregnancies, while those who fathered those unwanted pregnancies walked around pretty well consequence-free. That hardly compares to your one anecdotal dude getting a talking to.
So your one teenage dad is a complete representation of the entire teenage population? You can't tell us squat with that sort of data. Oh and btw it's not man hate, its finally getting people as a whole to understand the real way to curb abortions. I have always hated when a man thinks he has a say over what I do with my body. Give me a break!
Why shouldn't they get in trouble? Did the girls get pregnant when they were alone in the room? The guys CHOSE to risk that pregnancy, and they are 100% responsible for the children they CHOSE to make. This is not rocket science. They should be paying for their own children.
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yeah, because she should never be bothered with birth control.
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She explained NOTHING. She thinks we risk women for momentary pleasure. Sshe couldn't be more wrong! We don't want condom because in condom we don't feel anything and we get soft. If women didn't ONLY want natural erections from men, then men could use viagra and then men would be happy to use condoms.
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She explained NOTHING. She thinks we risk women for momentary pleasure. She couldn't be more wrong! We don't want condom because in condom we don't feel anything and most of the time we never get hard enough to even stay inside. AND WOMEN BLAMES US FOR THAT. If women didn't ONLY want natural erections from men, then men could use viagra and then men would be happy to use condoms.
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No one "got her pregnant". She chose to get pregnant. It's impossible for her to get pregnant if she didn't choose to. (Except in rape cases, of course!)
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Stfu. No one cares. It takes 2 to get pregnant. And the post was that men are at fault not that they aren’t looked at. Your just at fault of you have a baby that’s not planned. Stop blaming men for everything and get your own s**t women.
I stopped reading at "Men can't get women pregnant without an orgasm". I don't know where that lady took biologi lessons, but I was taught (and then witnessed it) that before orgasms men can produce droplets of substance that might contain spermatozoids. That also breaks apart the theory of pull-outs being effective. Heck, not even using pills & condoms is 100% sure. The only way NOT to get pregnant is not to have sex. Period. Oh two things more: woman can say NO (I refer to normal situations, not rape) and that thread was not a twitter one. Wall of text on twitter... Meh.
Also, she was not accurate in her statement that women can get pregnant only about 2 days a month. A woman can realistically get pregnant about 6 days a month. Sperm can live approximately 48-72 hours after ejaculation inside a woman's body, which means that 2 - 3 days before and 2 - 3 days after ovulation, there is a possibility of pregnancy. And to validate Alusair's post, the pre-ejaculate does have some sperm in it. One of the biological processes they teach us in medical school, first year.
Load More Replies...None of which invalidates her point: men are irresponsible about sex because they don't have to carry the consequences!
Alusair and Cheri preempted my own thoughts. Men are potentially able to impregnate women soon after they achieve an erection, because penises secrete lubricating fluid that is pretty much the same as semen, with perhaps a little less sperm. And they secrete this throughout sexual activity, just as most aroused women secrete lubricating fluids. And yes, the window for potentially getting pregnant is up to 5-6 days per cycle.
The egg only lives 12-48 hours. So while sperm may hang around for most of a week, the egg is in and out in a day (on average)
none of this invalidates the author's point. number of days, and the difference between ejaculate vs. pre-ejaculate not withstanding, arousal is necessary in the human male for intromission, but arousal is not necessary in the human female. they teach you that in real life, in addition to medical (and veterinary, and nursing)school.
Dude, by highlighting that women can get pregnant by pre cum and not even ejaculating just furthers her point that men should be more responsible with their d***s, not lessens it. Knowledgable but not intelligent.
Correct! But she does have a point about a lot of the other stuff.
To clarify: 1) An egg lives an average of 24 hours. Some studies say up to 48 hours. 2) Sometimes women can release a 2nd egg. This is usually within 24 hours of the 1st. Hence, unidentical twins. Now, we have up to 3 days after the 1st ovulation. (Give the 2nd egg up to 48 hours of life.) 4) Sperm can live up to 5 days, but the average is ~3 days. The life of both egg and sperm are longer depending on the healthiness of both individuals. 5) The most fertile days for pregnancy are 2 days before and the day of ovulation. ***The window for coitus to cause pregnancy can be up to 5 to 8 days due to up to 5 days for sperm viability after coitus and possible release of a 2nd egg having up to 48 hours. That's 5 days for sperm before ovulation, day of 1st ovulation, and 2 days after if 2nd ovulation occurs and egg lives for 48 hours.
Dr. Cheri Hayes, You're trying to nit pick and be scientific about it. Do you have nothing more to add? You're a doctor and really believe that women can get pregnant 6 days a month? If you know anything about human biology, an egg does not live 6 days so it would not be possible for her to get pregnant for 6 days. Sperm floating around in her uterus can only cause a pregnancy in the presence of an egg which is present only 1-2 days per month. And we all know the odds are exponentially greater with a full ejaculation into the vaginae instead of a few drops of sperm on the labia. Go back and pull out your science books.
Has there ever been a confirmed pregnancy from pre-seminal fluid, though? I keep hearing that it's possible, but it's never been verified as having happened.
Thank you for saving me having to look these things up. I had thought the 2 day quoted sounded wrong, and I knew about the pre-ejaculate, of course. Alusair had some good points also. There is almost nothing in life, good or bad, that is 100 percent.
As if somehow those minor errors negate the facts of the article…. Girl bye
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Cheri, You're a doctor, you should know better than the s**t your spewing. There is no way a woman could get pregnant 2 or 3 days AFTER ovulation. An egg is only viable for up to 24 hours, usually 12. If sperm didn't fertilize the egg by then, it will not happen. And sperm living in a woman that long is under peak conditions and usually wayyyyy less for the bit that does stay up there. And to further point out your BS in validating Alusairs claim, precum contains NO sperm or dead sperm usually left over from the last ejaculate. Finding sperm in precum is super rare. Unless you ladies are throwing dudes a bone by calling premature ejaculation precum, you're wrong.
Re: Alusair's: "Woman can say NO"... With respect, many women who say NO in "normal situations" end up with a penis in their body anyway. It happens even when (and often as) a woman says NO. That's how "normal" becomes *rape*.
Well, if it turns into rape that easily it wasn't a normal situation to begin with.
Sure :D me and my partner are now expecting baby, after 5 years of relationship and sex without any protection, we jist used method of "pulling out on time" and to be honest I was quite worried that we cannot have kids. But my pregnancy came so quickly after we decided we want baby, that I'm even more surprised I wasn't got pregnant much earlier :D
she said pulling out is 96% of course there's always still a risk but I do feel men need to take more responsibility with their semen.......she has good and valid points......
actually, the core argument is pretty weak to begin with. While I will agree men do need to be held responsible and accountable for having sex, this post is just ridiculous. First off, excluding cases of rape (or sexual assault through condom removal, etc) the fact that the woman was consenting to acts which may lead to pregnancy implies at least some consent to the consequences involved. Secondly, sometimes things do happen, like the condom breaking. Thirdly, sometimes, pregnancy wasn't even considered by either party as a possible consequence. Fourth, I'm not even sure what the OP means by 'unwanted'. Does she men people (like my brother) that weren't trying but still having unprotected sex, and, whatever happens will (surprise! it did.)? or does she mean people who are more like 'absolutely no children', like my girlfriend and me? Finally, what about women who lie about being on contraceptives? is the guy still at fault, even if he would have otherwise used protection?
Holding men accountable for their own d***s is a weak argument to begin with???? What lol
Women can have sex all they want and avoid pregnancy, as long as they don't have sex with men, especially men who don't practice safe sex.
Finally a great comment. Most people do not understand that mixing morals and facts never works well, and if you do not get your facts straight, you will be wrong even if right on the morals. On the other hand, it is nice that people like this women reveal their true intention by presenting fake facts or showing their lack of education.
In addition ejaculation is not 100% related to orgasm in men, since orgasm is more of a mental response rather than physiological.
It's true about pre-ejaculation, which also eliminates the whole "pulling out" stupidity. But about women saying "no", please remember the new trend for boys: removing the condom without her knowing. It's a real thing, they do this. And women can also say all they want but the moment the guy comes there's virtually nothing she can do to make him pull out, and nothing she can do once she realises the condom wasn't even there anymore.
Yes, I noticed her lack of sex ed knowledge on that too, but agree with the rest
You sound foolish, and programmed. No woman can even be pregnant without the SPERM from a man …. So The way this stupid country runs that makes us feel at fault for what comes out of a man’s penis is ridiculous, it’s THEIR penis so how is it BOTH parties? it’s not our penis or our sperm nor do we know when it’s coming out or have control of it yet we’re supposed to claim full responsibility for it??? DUPPED. Yea we are the ones blamed for the pregnancy, that makes no sense except in the deluded mind of these men which just so happens run the world. I can have sex with myself all day and no one’s getting pregnant until you bring a d**k into the picture that emits sperm, nice try though😏
@Kaye You can have sex with yourself all day and no one’s getting pregnant until you bring a d**k into the picture and he can have sex with himself all day and no one’s getting pregnant until you bring your vag into the picture, BOTH parties play their roles. Stop blaming the whole country for your personnel choices.
You were fooled in school.... pulling out won’t get you pregnant, biologically not possible. The reason why people get pregnant when using the pull out method is because not all men can control their orgasm and ejaculate before pulling out. Google it.
So in real world application, what is the difference whether the pregnancy happens because the man fails at practicing a "perfect" pull out? She is just as pregnant. It still makes using pulling out an unreliable method.
I think it could have to do with her being a Mormon? They're not always keen on accuracy and I've definitely seen them defend the "women aren't even fertile most of the time, so it doesn't matter when you have sex outside of these few days" idea before.
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Alusair it is pleasure to readed smart woman comment,Thank you.
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So you just stopped reading the article?
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That's exactly where i stopped reading as well! Also men can get orgasm without ejaculating. Also woman can get pregnant on about 5 days on month. Surely as well, if women can get pregnant only on those days, she could not have sex at all on those days? 2 days on her logic, or 7 just to be sure. Any of the contraception methods are 100% sure and when you decide to have sex, you should admit that there is slight chance to get pregnant.
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I stop reading at "..and a Mormon" . I knew this would be a 1-sided rant. Before wading though her pile of b******t, i just have one counterpoint to her argument that defeats it completely: Men Cause 100% Of WANTED Pregnancies. Now that SOUNDS sexist. Just as true. The Mormon feminist by inference, also decided that men are also 100% responsible for all the planned pregnancies out there, that VASTLY outnumber the unplanned ones. Why thank you for that, I'll scratch that one was a win for the patriarchy
When you didn't even read the article, I think you should sit down and shut up.
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