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Man Annoyed Wife Won’t Have His Mom Over For Christmas, Netizens Actually Agree With The Wife
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Man Annoyed Wife Won’t Have His Mom Over For Christmas, Netizens Actually Agree With The Wife

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We often hear stories about conflicts between a woman and her mother-in-law, and it can be quite a tricky relationship. Well, the fact that there was even a movie made about this relationship, Monster-in-law, says it all, don’t you think so?

The original poster (OP) is torn between his mom and wife as the latter refuses to let his mom spend Christmas with them because she finds her selfish and manipulative. He mentioned he doesn’t want his mom to spend Christmas alone, but his wife won’t listen; however, netizens felt that he was being too passive about his mom.

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    The relationship between a woman and her mother-in-law is infamous for being a challenging one

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    The poster’s wife hates his mom as she finds her selfish and manipulative and also has had problems with her rude and catty behavior

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    She also feels that her husband always takes his mom’s side and his mother is the “other woman” in their relationship

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    His mom wants to meet his daughter and spend Christmas with them, but his wife has refused, saying they can meet her later, but not on that day

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    The man feels torn as he thinks his mom will be miserable spending Christmas alone, while his wife is just not ready to listen to him

    In today’s story, the poster tells us how he feels torn between his wife and his mother who wants to spend Christmas with them, but his wife has said a hard no. She thinks that her mother-in-law is selfish and manipulative, and she also remembers how rude and catty she acted when their daughter was born. OP feels that she’s not ready to even listen to him as he feels bad for letting his mom spend Christmas alone.

    To get deeper insights into this conflict, Bored Panda reached out to Trupti Bobade, a psychologist at The Secret Ingredient. She said that being caught between his wife and his mother is like trying to stand on two boats drifting apart. She thinks that a man in this situation feels the tug of loyalty to both women, but the emotional strain of balancing two powerful forces can leave him feeling torn in two. 

    “He may feel like he’s constantly shifting his weight to avoid tipping over, which causes emotional fatigue, guilt, and anxiety as he struggles to stay afloat without capsizing either relationship. In the long term, unresolved conflict may affect his emotional well-being, increasing the risk of emotional burnout, decreased self-esteem, and strained relationships with both his wife and mother,” Trupti added.

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    According to OP’s wife, they need to maintain a strong front and be clear about their boundaries as she really doesn’t want her around for Christmas and said that they may visit her later, but not on that day. Whenever the couple argues about it, the wife feels that OP always takes his mom’s side; in fact, she thinks that his mother is the “other woman” in their relationship. 

    After reading the story, many people agreed with the wife and said that it did sound like he was very passive towards his mother and portrayed that his wife was in the wrong. They even pointed out that there must be a reason why she thinks so awfully about his mom, because no one would simply hate a person for no reason.

    When we asked Trupti about it, she explained that for the daughter-in-law, feeling like her husband always defends his mother is like being a tree constantly buffeted by a storm. She also speculated that each time the lady’s husband sides with his mother, she may feel the roots of her relationship weakening, questioning whether she can stand tall in her marriage.

    “Over time, she may begin to feel emotionally distant, questioning her role in the marriage. The wind of his perceived loyalty to his mother shakes her sense of security, and over time, this emotional erosion may cause deep-rooted resentment or withdrawal, like leaves falling from a once-thriving tree.”

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    “These emotions can lead to a sense of being undervalued or unprioritized, which may manifest as frustration, sadness, or anger. If unresolved, these feelings can create emotional withdrawal or conflicts in the relationship, leading to further marital dissatisfaction,” she noted.

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    Trupti also claimed that she may even experience psychological stress, heightened sensitivity to future interactions with her in-laws, and increased insecurity about her husband’s support.

    The poster also commented later that he does understand why his wife doesn’t like his mom as she had been really unpleasant on many instances before, and it had been unfair on his wife. However, it was his wife’s unwillingness to even listen to the matter that really bothered him. He wants his daughter to share a bond with his mom, and he also doesn’t want to ruin things with his wife. 

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    OP explained how he was a child of divorce and he doesn’t want his daughter to suffer the same fate as him, so he had been trying to maintain the peace and didn’t really care what happened to him. Folks pointed out that he could take his daughter to his mom’s on Christmas morning and then spend the rest of the day with his wife. 

    People said that it seems like a tricky situation, and if he’s intent on not wanting to ruin the relationship, he may have to tread lightly, and maybe not force his wife to accompany them when he visits his mom.

    Speaking about the tension between in-laws which can affect a couple’s marital satisfaction, Trupti said that disagreements over boundaries, loyalty, or family expectations may lead to frequent arguments, emotional distancing, and an overall decrease in emotional intimacy between the couple.

    She also added that if left unaddressed, prolonged conflict can lead to patterns of resentment, eroding trust, and reducing emotional closeness.

    “The risks include emotional detachment, a decrease in marital commitment, and even the possibility of separation or divorce if conflicts become overwhelming or unmanageable. While the house may look sturdy on the outside, unresolved conflict behind the scenes eats away at the bond that holds them together,” Trupti explained.

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    She concluded that if left unchecked, the damage may become too severe to repair, leading to collapse-disconnectedness, loss of intimacy, and eventual emotional fallout. She strongly advised engaging in couples’ therapy as it can help them address underlying issues and equip them with tools to foster emotional resilience and unity.

    With that brilliant advice, we conclude our thoughts. Now, we would love to hear from you, so just express away in the comments!

    Folks said that the man sounded like he agreed with his mom and thought his wife was in the wrong; they advised him to take the kid alone to visit his mom during the day

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    Janelle Collard
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ohhhh, Dude- your mom is NOT good for your wife's mental health. Your mom is using you as her Emotional Support Dog. And you're letting her! YOU need therapy + your mom does as well. Maybe a 3rd person can help you see how you need to define boundaries with your mom. P. S. Sorry to say - I'm with your wife on "no MIL for X-mas." I wouldn't want to share AIR with your mom if I were your wife!

    Vinnie
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a friend's emotional support dog. It might feel fine at the beginning, but I burned out after 2 or 3 years. Part of the problem was realizing that they would be unhappy forever. I would call to ask how they were doing. They never called me unless we had agreed to go out and needed to set a time, meeting place, etc.

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    Somebodys grandmother
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That MIL sounds like a bored narcissist... she doesn't have rights in her sons marriage.. Grow up woman! Son/husband... grow a spine... No is a whole sentence...

    greenideas
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes a compromise just isn't possible. Two people have a right to not get along. I would love to hear the wife's version of events.

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He gave a few examples. If those are accurate, I don't blame OP's wife for wanting nothing to do with her MIL!

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    kath morgan
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “She makes me feel like I’m the only one with the key to her happiness” 🚩 🚩 🚩 Mum needs help. Like, professional help.

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is tons of research and lots of resources available for empty-nesters who don't have an identity outside of being a parent. It's a very common problem. Unless they live in the middle of nowhere, there should be no problem with Mum finding a therapist or a group to help her learn emotional independence and find ways to enjoy life without depending on her kids to give her that.

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    The Starsong Princess
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can make your wife happy on Christmas or your mother. You cannot do both. If you choose your mother, expect your wife to become your ex. But really, you listed how awful your mother is to your wife but you are still trying to appease your mother at her expense. Get some therapy while you still have a marriage.

    Roberta Surprenant
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think mum will have her little boy home with her all the time if he keeps defending her like this.

    Roberta Schrote
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Marriage to a mama's boy is not worth the effort it would take to cut that umbilical cord and create your own family with him. Those mamas will never give up and their sons' loyalty will always be divided (and he won't ever recognize the problem).

    Marno C.
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "She makes me f eel like I am the only one with the key tome her happiness." Ding ding ding! And that, friends, is the sound of manipulation. Both Mom and Wife can see that husband is a weak wobbler. He's going to go whichever way someone pushed him last. So, that is why mom is constantly pushing and wife is increasingly hardline. Wife does not trust husband to stand up for their family. And, oh boo-hoo that "she'll be all alone on Christmas." I guess she has no friends and certainly drove away her other son with her criticisms. I guess she's driven away everyone else too. If OP doesn't learn from his brother's experience, Mom is either going to start picking on granddaughter or pour poison in her ears against her parents.

    Insomniac
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are plenty of dinners at seniors' centres and stuff... Mum does not have to be alone. She's choosing to because she wants her son to dance to her tune.

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    Kat
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    " She makes me feel like I'm the only key to her happiness " 😬

    Lyoness
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That line gives me the icks. And it should be re-written as "I let her feel like I'm the only key to her happiness."

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    Reta Murphy
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your own brother doesn't want to be around your mom. Here's a quarter, go buy a clue. Mom will destroy your marriage then whine until you move back in with her. Sorry you have such a b***h for a mother and you are so brainwashed and abused by her that you can't think straight.

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, Mum and Son are horribly enmeshed. Son is basically acting as husband to Mum in every way but... yeah. That isn't right, fair, or healthy. He needs to set some boundaries and insist that his mother start building a life of her own not anchored to him for her happiness. That will destroy his marriage. I have lived that (engagement, but same idea). He needs to sit down with Mum and set the ground rules. One phone conversation a week for 30 minutes. She is not to complain to him about how sad she is about not seeing them more... she can get a therapist. She can work with therapist on learning healthy communication, and in a few months, they can try a short visit and see if Mum has improved. She should also join some senior's groups to build a social life and find activities.

    Melinda Abney Kaiser
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like MIL needs to stop alienating everyone in her life and the son needs to stop being a doormat. I initially thought MIL had only one child since she would otherwise be alone on Xmas, but she HAS ANOTHER SON. She has pushed him away too. Her loneliness on the holiday is 100% of her own making.

    Tonyah Mcanelly
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds like to me family therapy wouldn't be a bad Idea. Right after my first grandson was born I had a small falling out with my kids. It tore me up I will admit iI said some pretty nasty things. But I didn't realize the impact I had on them. It wasn't a good one. In order for me to be apart of my family's life and see my grand kids I had to be the one to make a HUGE paradeighm shift. It was worth every agonizing moment it made me realize I was unintentionally doing more harm than good, its been two years it was a lot of hard work it paid off and my family and I are back to where we should be . your mom needs to take a good look in the mirror. and see whats happening .

    tom oneill
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    F**k your mother, you obviously love her more than the woman you married.

    Chien Noir
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mum is a boundary-stomping manipulator -- it's no wonder nobody wants to be around her. I'd advise them to take the baby to Mum's house on Christmas day for a couple of hours -- if she makes nasty comments or otherwise tries to undermine the wife, they can leave. OP needs to put his foot down and put the needs of his wife and child over mommy's desire for attention and control.

    Lyoness
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed, but I'd suggest Mama's boy go alone. That way wife isn't subject to MIL's c**p and wife gets some quality time with her daughter. Bonus would be if Mum makes crappy remarks about wife and husband gets a clue.

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    Coffee Comma Black
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like he was the golden child growing up. Dude needs to support his wife and accept his mother is toxic.

    Lyoness
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The term "emotional incest" exists to describe situations like this. A son should not be his mother's emotional support, that's part of his role as a husband, not a son. If his wife says no to MIL at Christmas he needs to have her back. He can go visit Mom that afternoon, but asking his wife to have someone she hates in their house on a holiday is unreasonable.

    Lena Flising
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds justified, based on the extra information. Maybe OP should focus on trying to make mom be more pleasant to DIL, instead of trying to make wife being more pleasant to the domineering MIL. I have no children, but I can imagine that having someone criticizing your parental style is like having a back-seat "driver" criticizing your driving style, but worse. The comment on breastfeeding was downright evil, clear bullying. For some, it's easy, for others, it simply doesn't work. For some, it works with the second baby but not with the first. Can't OP go with the daughter to her grandma now and then, and spend time together? Then mom won't be as lonely. Or does he think that emotional work is women's work?

    Red Skye
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    look at it this way, unless your sleeping in a sexual way with your mother, what will you miss more, sex with your wife and mother of your child, or your mother, bitching, whining and annoying your wife with her petty comments, on christmas day. You can schedule a visit at your mother's house some other day in december, and keep her away from your wife. if you wanna keep your wife.

    J McDonald
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ahhhh, finally we get to see an opinion from "the golden child" about something. I'd be willing to bet he was treated MUCH better than his brother growning up. Dude needs to wake up and smell the coffee about his abusive mother, even if she isn't abusive to him, otherwise he'll be able to spend all his time with her once his wife leaves and takes their child with her.

    Kitty Cat
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like there are easy compromises that could happen here, but OP just isn't mentally capable of handling them. MIL sounds a bit like any slightly oppressive mother, that's pretty normal, but she hasn't done anything serious, dangerous, super terrible, and wanting to see her family on Christmas is not too big an ask. Wife sounds uncompromising and hard nosed, and her use of ultimatums make a sensible compromise impossible. The solution is, dad takes granddaughter to see grandma for a few hours on Christmas. Wife can stay home and stew over the fact she isn't the only women in OP's life. OP can improve his situation by setting some basic healthy boundaries with mom. When mom calls to vent, tell her you don't have the bandwidth to help right now and can she call her friends instead. OP is everyone's doormat here, he needs to find his spine and stop letting MIL use him as an emotional support son, and also stop letting wife domineer his relationship with his mother.

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why would you invite someone who makes you uncomfortable in your own house?

    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are so annoying because someone writes a summary of what we are f'ing reading. We don't need you to summarize something we just read! So annoying.

    Lantana Howell
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    I need specifics as to why your wife had issues with your mother and vice versa.

    Janelle Collard
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ohhhh, Dude- your mom is NOT good for your wife's mental health. Your mom is using you as her Emotional Support Dog. And you're letting her! YOU need therapy + your mom does as well. Maybe a 3rd person can help you see how you need to define boundaries with your mom. P. S. Sorry to say - I'm with your wife on "no MIL for X-mas." I wouldn't want to share AIR with your mom if I were your wife!

    Vinnie
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a friend's emotional support dog. It might feel fine at the beginning, but I burned out after 2 or 3 years. Part of the problem was realizing that they would be unhappy forever. I would call to ask how they were doing. They never called me unless we had agreed to go out and needed to set a time, meeting place, etc.

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    Somebodys grandmother
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That MIL sounds like a bored narcissist... she doesn't have rights in her sons marriage.. Grow up woman! Son/husband... grow a spine... No is a whole sentence...

    greenideas
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes a compromise just isn't possible. Two people have a right to not get along. I would love to hear the wife's version of events.

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He gave a few examples. If those are accurate, I don't blame OP's wife for wanting nothing to do with her MIL!

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    kath morgan
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “She makes me feel like I’m the only one with the key to her happiness” 🚩 🚩 🚩 Mum needs help. Like, professional help.

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is tons of research and lots of resources available for empty-nesters who don't have an identity outside of being a parent. It's a very common problem. Unless they live in the middle of nowhere, there should be no problem with Mum finding a therapist or a group to help her learn emotional independence and find ways to enjoy life without depending on her kids to give her that.

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    The Starsong Princess
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can make your wife happy on Christmas or your mother. You cannot do both. If you choose your mother, expect your wife to become your ex. But really, you listed how awful your mother is to your wife but you are still trying to appease your mother at her expense. Get some therapy while you still have a marriage.

    Roberta Surprenant
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think mum will have her little boy home with her all the time if he keeps defending her like this.

    Roberta Schrote
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Marriage to a mama's boy is not worth the effort it would take to cut that umbilical cord and create your own family with him. Those mamas will never give up and their sons' loyalty will always be divided (and he won't ever recognize the problem).

    Marno C.
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "She makes me f eel like I am the only one with the key tome her happiness." Ding ding ding! And that, friends, is the sound of manipulation. Both Mom and Wife can see that husband is a weak wobbler. He's going to go whichever way someone pushed him last. So, that is why mom is constantly pushing and wife is increasingly hardline. Wife does not trust husband to stand up for their family. And, oh boo-hoo that "she'll be all alone on Christmas." I guess she has no friends and certainly drove away her other son with her criticisms. I guess she's driven away everyone else too. If OP doesn't learn from his brother's experience, Mom is either going to start picking on granddaughter or pour poison in her ears against her parents.

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are plenty of dinners at seniors' centres and stuff... Mum does not have to be alone. She's choosing to because she wants her son to dance to her tune.

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    Kat
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    " She makes me feel like I'm the only key to her happiness " 😬

    Lyoness
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That line gives me the icks. And it should be re-written as "I let her feel like I'm the only key to her happiness."

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    Reta Murphy
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your own brother doesn't want to be around your mom. Here's a quarter, go buy a clue. Mom will destroy your marriage then whine until you move back in with her. Sorry you have such a b***h for a mother and you are so brainwashed and abused by her that you can't think straight.

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, Mum and Son are horribly enmeshed. Son is basically acting as husband to Mum in every way but... yeah. That isn't right, fair, or healthy. He needs to set some boundaries and insist that his mother start building a life of her own not anchored to him for her happiness. That will destroy his marriage. I have lived that (engagement, but same idea). He needs to sit down with Mum and set the ground rules. One phone conversation a week for 30 minutes. She is not to complain to him about how sad she is about not seeing them more... she can get a therapist. She can work with therapist on learning healthy communication, and in a few months, they can try a short visit and see if Mum has improved. She should also join some senior's groups to build a social life and find activities.

    Melinda Abney Kaiser
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like MIL needs to stop alienating everyone in her life and the son needs to stop being a doormat. I initially thought MIL had only one child since she would otherwise be alone on Xmas, but she HAS ANOTHER SON. She has pushed him away too. Her loneliness on the holiday is 100% of her own making.

    Tonyah Mcanelly
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds like to me family therapy wouldn't be a bad Idea. Right after my first grandson was born I had a small falling out with my kids. It tore me up I will admit iI said some pretty nasty things. But I didn't realize the impact I had on them. It wasn't a good one. In order for me to be apart of my family's life and see my grand kids I had to be the one to make a HUGE paradeighm shift. It was worth every agonizing moment it made me realize I was unintentionally doing more harm than good, its been two years it was a lot of hard work it paid off and my family and I are back to where we should be . your mom needs to take a good look in the mirror. and see whats happening .

    tom oneill
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    F**k your mother, you obviously love her more than the woman you married.

    Chien Noir
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mum is a boundary-stomping manipulator -- it's no wonder nobody wants to be around her. I'd advise them to take the baby to Mum's house on Christmas day for a couple of hours -- if she makes nasty comments or otherwise tries to undermine the wife, they can leave. OP needs to put his foot down and put the needs of his wife and child over mommy's desire for attention and control.

    Lyoness
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed, but I'd suggest Mama's boy go alone. That way wife isn't subject to MIL's c**p and wife gets some quality time with her daughter. Bonus would be if Mum makes crappy remarks about wife and husband gets a clue.

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    Coffee Comma Black
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like he was the golden child growing up. Dude needs to support his wife and accept his mother is toxic.

    Lyoness
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The term "emotional incest" exists to describe situations like this. A son should not be his mother's emotional support, that's part of his role as a husband, not a son. If his wife says no to MIL at Christmas he needs to have her back. He can go visit Mom that afternoon, but asking his wife to have someone she hates in their house on a holiday is unreasonable.

    Lena Flising
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds justified, based on the extra information. Maybe OP should focus on trying to make mom be more pleasant to DIL, instead of trying to make wife being more pleasant to the domineering MIL. I have no children, but I can imagine that having someone criticizing your parental style is like having a back-seat "driver" criticizing your driving style, but worse. The comment on breastfeeding was downright evil, clear bullying. For some, it's easy, for others, it simply doesn't work. For some, it works with the second baby but not with the first. Can't OP go with the daughter to her grandma now and then, and spend time together? Then mom won't be as lonely. Or does he think that emotional work is women's work?

    Red Skye
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    look at it this way, unless your sleeping in a sexual way with your mother, what will you miss more, sex with your wife and mother of your child, or your mother, bitching, whining and annoying your wife with her petty comments, on christmas day. You can schedule a visit at your mother's house some other day in december, and keep her away from your wife. if you wanna keep your wife.

    J McDonald
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ahhhh, finally we get to see an opinion from "the golden child" about something. I'd be willing to bet he was treated MUCH better than his brother growning up. Dude needs to wake up and smell the coffee about his abusive mother, even if she isn't abusive to him, otherwise he'll be able to spend all his time with her once his wife leaves and takes their child with her.

    Kitty Cat
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like there are easy compromises that could happen here, but OP just isn't mentally capable of handling them. MIL sounds a bit like any slightly oppressive mother, that's pretty normal, but she hasn't done anything serious, dangerous, super terrible, and wanting to see her family on Christmas is not too big an ask. Wife sounds uncompromising and hard nosed, and her use of ultimatums make a sensible compromise impossible. The solution is, dad takes granddaughter to see grandma for a few hours on Christmas. Wife can stay home and stew over the fact she isn't the only women in OP's life. OP can improve his situation by setting some basic healthy boundaries with mom. When mom calls to vent, tell her you don't have the bandwidth to help right now and can she call her friends instead. OP is everyone's doormat here, he needs to find his spine and stop letting MIL use him as an emotional support son, and also stop letting wife domineer his relationship with his mother.

    KatSaidWhat
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why would you invite someone who makes you uncomfortable in your own house?

    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are so annoying because someone writes a summary of what we are f'ing reading. We don't need you to summarize something we just read! So annoying.

    Lantana Howell
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    1 month ago

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    I need specifics as to why your wife had issues with your mother and vice versa.

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