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Man Shares How His Wife Didn’t Know How To Speak To A Cafe Server She Thought Was Trans, Gets Roasted
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Man Shares How His Wife Didn’t Know How To Speak To A Cafe Server She Thought Was Trans, Gets Roasted

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After a lot of talks and discussions, now society is more aware of the problems and difficulties that transgender people face. One of these problems is the way people react to their appearance, opinions, and overall decisions. Understanding transgender people for some might seem tricky, and it’s okay as long as an effort to accept them is made.

One recent Tweet posted by the user Gad Saad got a lot of people’s attention after he claimed that his wife was “frozen in fear” after she didn’t know what pronoun to use to address the server who was making her coffee at a cafe. The thread of tweets created by Saad caused a great stir on the social media platform.

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    The Twitter user who is actually a professor of marketing and an evolutionary psychologist started his train of thought by describing the situation his wife got herself into. The woman decided to go to their local coffee shop where she got uncomfortable when she didn’t know how to address the barista who “possibly” could’ve been transgender.

    Having this in mind, a Twitter user decided to share the situation that his wife had to go through in a coffee shop

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    Saad then continued by stating that even though transgender people have the right to fully express themselves in the best way possible, it is hard for cisgender people to sometimes understand what kind of pronouns they should use when talking to a transgender person. In his tweet, he stated that “Fighting for a world free of bigotry does not imply that we must suppress perfectly natural categorization mechanisms that are built into our brains and our languages,” touching upon a sensitive issue of many thinking that gender depends on the sex of a person.

    The woman didn’t know how to address a server because they looked like a transgender person

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    According to the man, this made his wife uncomfortable as she didn’t want to make a mistake by using a wrong pronoun

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    This thread soon became a target for people who were actually making fun of the author of the tweet pointing out ways one can order something without actually needing to include the server’s gender. Other users were even explaining and giving suggestions on how to actually place an order without including pronouns: “Hi, I’d like a coffee,” “Hi, may I please have a large coffee,” etc.

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    People online soon started mocking the Twitter user, explaining how his wife should order her coffee without going through this unnecessary hassle

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    Such comments where people were pointing out that this situation seems like his wife’s problem, and the shown lack of understanding made the author of the tweet provide his audience with more context. He explained that the situation where she didn’t know what kind of pronoun to use occurred when she wanted to reassure another server that their colleague would take care of the order, but she got flustered because she didn’t know if she should call them “he.”

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    Most of Twitter users didn’t find this incident to be something showing the transgender language problem, but rather a comical and exaggerated situation

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    However, people online were still thinking that this whole thing could’ve been avoided and that the couple shouldn’t be reacting the way they did. Some people even laughed at them for not being able to figure out that in case you don’t know what pronoun to use, you can simply address someone by saying they/them.

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    What do you think about this situation? Don’t forget to leave your thoughts in the comments down below!

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    King Joffrey
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This guy got roasted but I don't think he was malicious in his comments.

    Vivian Orr
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People need to realize and recognize that the older the generation the more difficult it is to feel comfortable with all the new terms in use. It sounded to me like his wife was genuinely trying not to offend but also engage in a friendly statement. So why all the mean comments in such a hateful tone? I could say so many mean and hateful things about these commenters but won’t. One thing they need to learn, that I will say though, is respect.

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    Carol Emory
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My thought is, why are you talking past the person. Why not just say "You'll get the hang of it." Encouraging and respectful to the person regardless of gender....

    White Wolf
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thanks God for Hungarian language, free of any f*****g stupid pronouns.

    Goth mouse (they/them)
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just ask politely! Most trans or non binary people would be happy if you asked instead of guessing, assuming or not speaking to you at all 🙂 Ive started wearing a badge with my pronouns because this happens a lot, people don’t know how to address me and seem embarrassed about asking, i dont mind being asked! :-)

    Kira Okah
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've seen a trans girl run away crying at being asked because she's had people asking her before as a way to let her guard down before hurling abuse at her. Just speak as you would speak with anyone. Nothing in this situation even required pronouns.

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    Vivian Orr
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    GIVE ME A BREAK!!! HAVE YOU NEVER MISSPELLED A WORD OR HAD AUTO CORRECT CHANGE IT AND NOT NOTICE.

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    Nicola Doyle
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How hard is it to say "they'll get the hang of it " or "you'll get the hang of it"? See no gender pronouns needed. Put in the file of people who make issues when there are none there.

    Vivian Orr
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To some people who have been used to using pronouns for all their 70, 80, and 90’s years may find it hard to push that aside and unlearn it. They may be more worried about offending then a younger person would. A friend of my granddaughters called a person “he” and was rudely corrected. Even though they were dressed as a “male” and spoke in a deeper voice. Not all transgenders are patient and recognize this is not the norm for most and lash out. This is what makes it so hard.

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    Jonathan
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seriously can't think of any situation whatsoever that would require knowing someones pronouns when ordering a coffee.

    Debbie
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When needing to grab someone's attention: Sir! Ma'am! Yes, in English you can say " Excuse me, " but in Dutch that sounds weird. Just yelling "hello?!" Seems rude. I've had it happen when someone had his/her back towards me and I didn't know wether it was a man/woman/trans. Just saying hello didn't grab their attention. Sometimes you need more words. Something non-gendered would be nice. But the only one I can think of is "your Highness".

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    Stefan
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you need to use a pronoun, try one. If you are corrected, then use the other one.

    Kylli Anttila
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was happened in my Vietnamese small town. The transpeople seemed quite OK with it this way. I wondered how they felt having to correct people all the time though.

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    Mad Mar
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good morning. Coffee order. Thank you. Tip. Enjoy the day. I work with a gender fluid person who outwardly presents as male. So I address by name. "X" can help you. Not he can help you. I use the name. No he or she. So if you can, look for a name tag an use the persons name.

    Aroace tiger (any pronouns)
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    1. Why did she need to use pronouns 2. Theytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheythey

    Frankenfrog
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    3 years ago

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    Maybe she wanted to? Maybe don't expect everyone to be as fast learners and totally perfect like you, especially the older generation. Get over yourself

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    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, in this case, it probably has something to do with the fact that this guy is complaining about a made-up situation where is wife is so overwhelmed by the idea of being corrected by some mean trans-barista that she was unable to order coffee. Also, I have been reading iterations of this BS online for YEARS. Why are transphobes so unimaginative? It's ALWAYS a "barista at a local cafe." So in this case we are keen to roast someone who is lying about a situation in order to make life harder for trans people.

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    StrawberryParfait
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pronouns are easy--he, she, or they will cover pretty much anyone. Any other special pronouns you use are only relevant to those in your family and social groups.

    Katie Lutesinger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was at a convention once, managing a stall along with a friend. A fellow stallholder who was gender ambiguous in appearance started up a conversation, and a little way in my friend said "Excuse me, but what pronouns should I use?" The person told her, the conversation continued pleasantly, and all was well.

    Mary Bank
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I ALMOST spit out my coffee laughing at Rahul Kohli, always can count on him to poke at a dummy and make it funny. :D

    Bryn
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That person used a lot of words to say they were transphobic!

    Tamra Stiffler
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    3 years ago

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    Valerie Finn
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel bad for him he was being very polite, older people don't phrase things the same way; that doesn't mean they have different intentions with what they are saying, like he himself said, trans people are free to induvial expression and happiness like anyone else. His wife spends to much time online though, if I had to guess. People in real life will react to the question like this in my experience: .1 "Huh?, oh I'm not trans" .2 "Uh i use she/her" .3 not want to bring it up being misgendered" .4 not care .5 "which size would you prefer?"

    Angelar
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    3 years ago

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    memyselfandI
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay, all the people complaining didn’t read the last part of the post. I don’t remember if it was an edit or not, but it says that the issue didn’t come up when actually ordering, but while trying to say something to a coworker about the employee. When you’re talking directly to someone, you wouldn’t be using third person pronouns, but you would if you’re talking about them. And sure, she could have used “they”, but maybe she forgot. Or wasn’t comfortable yet with the idea of using a plural pronoun for a singular person (reasonable, it’s not what we’re used to). Or saying “they” would have made it unclear who she was talking about. Either way, I don’t think the commenters were actually talking about the right thing, so the complaints weren’t warranted.

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's funny to watch people jump through hoops like this. He threw a tantrum because he and his wife are petrified of being corrected. That's it. That's the whole story.

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    RoseTheMad
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean, I don't think the man or his wife were being transphobic or anything, after all, she was nervous about misgendering them, but at the same time it is pretty funny because as people said, "Hi can I have a coffee please" works perfectly fine.

    Chris Munro
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There was no need to gender them in the first place, so why on earth would she be afraid of MISgendering them?

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    Ginger Winters
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    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What are egg shelves and how does one walk on them? Also why does someone gender have anything to do with having a conversation with them?

    Athena Poulos
    Community Member
    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pathetic just use first names and if you don't know introduce yourself

    Zedrapazia
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think just saying you to the person will solve the he/she/they problem without asking the transperson any uncomfortable questions.

    Don't Look
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel this guy. Yup. But today's society says that we are wrong. Which is nonsensical.

    Chris Munro
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Which part do you "feel"? Is it the part where he would rather write a sob story about the time his wife was "victimized" by seeing a trans-person and feeling uncomfortable about it than instead just doing the bare hecking minimum of letting someone live their life without being actively disrespected?

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    Craig Reynolds
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As far as I'm concerned, they/them are used to refer to people in the third person. As in, these people over here, they went with them people over there. I'm 61 and I'm not changing who I am or how I address people. This whole situation doesn't have to be the clusterfk some are making it out to be! If they have a name tag then use their name. If not, then don't address them with any kind of pronoun. Just say HI and ask for what you want.

    Craig Reynolds
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here are a few simple solutions to this non-dilemma! 1- Are they wearing a name tag? Use their name. 2- No name tag? Then don't use any pronouns! Other than a hierarchal structure similar to the military with ranks, it's almost never needed. 3- Introduce yourself first. Hi, I'm (insert name). What's your name? 4- If referring to someone in the third person whose name you don't know, then using they/them is generically appropriate. If during the course of the conversation you need to refer to any other person "they" have a relation to (family member, friend, coworker, etc), you can use "their" to refer to the relation. Pronouns are kind of like opinions! Everyone may have one but you don't always have to know everyone else's. Now for some political pronouns! If you lack humor and offend easily, STOP reading NOW. Republican pronoun? Elephant or Rhino. Democrat pronoun? Jackass I don't recommend actually using those in the first person...

    Tee Witt
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can in a way understand this but I have never had a problem with genders, but one has to be so careful what one say to anyone before they are throwing racist at you/

    Craig Reynolds
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hey, you humans commenting here. They/them is fine when referring to a third person but sounds retarded when addressing someone directly. Hi they, I'd like a large coffee...

    Aliquid
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The thing is... you don't consciously think when you talk about what words you are specifically going to use. The words come out as you are thinking. You don't think consciously about walking "left leg, right leg", you just walk. You don't think consciously about a lot of things. if you did... you would be constantly mentally exhausted. SO, saying "they" instead of "he" or "she" takes effort, and the older you are, the more effort it takes... those old ways of talking are deeply burnt into your synapses. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try your best, and then simply say "sorry, this is all new to me" when you make a mistake. rather than getting mad at everyone else.

    Karen Wenzel
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the responses they show are exactly why some people are afraid to say one damned thing. because the pc crowd is so stupid and reactionary about s**t, they couldn't even bother to read about the circumstances leading up to her being afraid of offending the person.

    Chris Munro
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, I read the whole thing. The only problem in that situation is the problem that this guy and his wife Karen CREATED FOR THEMSELVES because they saw a trans person. There was no conflict, there was no correction, there was no friction AT ALL, except that this woman was afraid of feeling uncomfortable. (And BTW, I actually doubt that this situation ever happened, judging by how may times I have read versions of this EXACT SAME STORY. Do you folks really think that all trans people work in coffee shops?!)

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    Frankenfrog
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We want people to respect trans people and engage in learning about trans people as to not offend" *person tries to do just that* "nooooo not like ThAt"

    OJ
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    she was frozen in fear at the thought of asking someone’s pronouns or using gender neutral ones… what part of that is engaging in learning?

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    Gaby Almodovar
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see and understand, that this issue can be a problem in some situations, but ordering a coffee, or anything else? "Can I please have a ...", I'm ordering so in my mother language, and any other, what I can speak at some level. Btw, when it comes a he/she-thing with a trans, I'm always using that pronoun, what fits his/her look. You look, like a woman, you'll be "she", if like a man, "he", I'm not interested in your genitals or state of mind.

    Chris Munro
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, your disregard for others is such a courageous stand. Slow clap....

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    Deborah B
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    3 years ago

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    I find they/them awkward, and I wish we had polite non-gendered pronouns and title to apply equally to everyone. We could all use them for everyone unless in a situation where gender was directly relevant. I propose "Significant/Sig" and "sig/sigs". As in "Significants Jones and Smith are in a meeting with Sig Grant. Sig's the new rep from Acme." "Good morning Sig/Significant. May I order a flat white coffee please?" "Sig will get the hang of things soon I'm sure." Are they a woman, are they a man, are they non-binary, are they amiguous? It no longer matters, sig is polite for all. Is the foreign name I don't recognise on this resume male or female? It doesn't matter "Dear Significant Surname, Thank you for your resume. We are pleased to invite you to interview" "Excuse me sig, I belive you dropped something"

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are literally using "they" as a third-person singular though your entire comment, in which you argue AGAINST the use of "they" as a singular pronoun. Maybe it's time for you to step away.

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    NoneYa41
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    3 years ago

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    what do you expect when people fly into a rage because someone gets their un-advertised pronouns incorrect? It's not going to change instantaneously, but we'll eventually adapt it into our lexicon. In the meantime, chill out.

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only person "in a rage" is the dolt who made up this story to post on Twitter.

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    Peter Kelly
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    3 years ago

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    So, everyone being such smart alecs... without ever considering that the server may have been facing the other way and the wife did not want to shout, "Oy, you!" to get their attention...

    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago

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    There is a quite simple solution to this issue. English has a gender neutral plural pronoun: they/them/their. Let's get rid of gender specific singular pronouns and create a gender neutral singular pronoun. (Personally, I dislike using "they" to refer to one person. It creates additional ambiguity within the English language, and it's already ridiculously ambiguous.)

    albernistuff 4sale
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    3 years ago (edited)

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    The respondents are all kind of SJW jacka$$es; the woman just wanted to avoid giving offence. OOOOH wait, do I need permission to use the term "Woman"? FWIW I have enough education in bio to know that that gender is a spectrum, not an absolute binary situation. The same with gender identity. Just tired of the SJW's looking to virtue signal at every opportunity. The new intolerance...

    Jerry Rockwell
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    3 years ago

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    Simple: Just say, "I'm sorry, but I do not want a PERVERT serving me.

    De Gueb
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    3 years ago

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    It's easy, do a Crocodile Dundee, reach for the crotch.... apply pronoun according to exploration. Now seriously, I would say can I have a large beer please, I don't drink coffee. Once served I would say "thank you" I don't see the problem. A friend of mine, female walked in on her husband when he was being peg by a tranny and sucking **** of another. Now she was lost for words. She couldn't quite find the right pronoun. Do you see the difference. Did find a good lawyer...........every cloud has a silver lining.

    Peter Weir
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    make a 50/50 choice...unless the snowflake is wearing a sign stating that they fall into this non existent gender/role. He she or f**k u. enough pussy footing around... wear a sign telling people what flavor of the week you are

    King Joffrey
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This guy got roasted but I don't think he was malicious in his comments.

    Vivian Orr
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People need to realize and recognize that the older the generation the more difficult it is to feel comfortable with all the new terms in use. It sounded to me like his wife was genuinely trying not to offend but also engage in a friendly statement. So why all the mean comments in such a hateful tone? I could say so many mean and hateful things about these commenters but won’t. One thing they need to learn, that I will say though, is respect.

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    Carol Emory
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My thought is, why are you talking past the person. Why not just say "You'll get the hang of it." Encouraging and respectful to the person regardless of gender....

    White Wolf
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thanks God for Hungarian language, free of any f*****g stupid pronouns.

    Goth mouse (they/them)
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just ask politely! Most trans or non binary people would be happy if you asked instead of guessing, assuming or not speaking to you at all 🙂 Ive started wearing a badge with my pronouns because this happens a lot, people don’t know how to address me and seem embarrassed about asking, i dont mind being asked! :-)

    Kira Okah
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've seen a trans girl run away crying at being asked because she's had people asking her before as a way to let her guard down before hurling abuse at her. Just speak as you would speak with anyone. Nothing in this situation even required pronouns.

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    Vivian Orr
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    GIVE ME A BREAK!!! HAVE YOU NEVER MISSPELLED A WORD OR HAD AUTO CORRECT CHANGE IT AND NOT NOTICE.

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    Nicola Doyle
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How hard is it to say "they'll get the hang of it " or "you'll get the hang of it"? See no gender pronouns needed. Put in the file of people who make issues when there are none there.

    Vivian Orr
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To some people who have been used to using pronouns for all their 70, 80, and 90’s years may find it hard to push that aside and unlearn it. They may be more worried about offending then a younger person would. A friend of my granddaughters called a person “he” and was rudely corrected. Even though they were dressed as a “male” and spoke in a deeper voice. Not all transgenders are patient and recognize this is not the norm for most and lash out. This is what makes it so hard.

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    Jonathan
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seriously can't think of any situation whatsoever that would require knowing someones pronouns when ordering a coffee.

    Debbie
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When needing to grab someone's attention: Sir! Ma'am! Yes, in English you can say " Excuse me, " but in Dutch that sounds weird. Just yelling "hello?!" Seems rude. I've had it happen when someone had his/her back towards me and I didn't know wether it was a man/woman/trans. Just saying hello didn't grab their attention. Sometimes you need more words. Something non-gendered would be nice. But the only one I can think of is "your Highness".

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    Stefan
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you need to use a pronoun, try one. If you are corrected, then use the other one.

    Kylli Anttila
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was happened in my Vietnamese small town. The transpeople seemed quite OK with it this way. I wondered how they felt having to correct people all the time though.

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    Mad Mar
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good morning. Coffee order. Thank you. Tip. Enjoy the day. I work with a gender fluid person who outwardly presents as male. So I address by name. "X" can help you. Not he can help you. I use the name. No he or she. So if you can, look for a name tag an use the persons name.

    Aroace tiger (any pronouns)
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    1. Why did she need to use pronouns 2. Theytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheytheythey

    Frankenfrog
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    3 years ago

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    Maybe she wanted to? Maybe don't expect everyone to be as fast learners and totally perfect like you, especially the older generation. Get over yourself

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    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, in this case, it probably has something to do with the fact that this guy is complaining about a made-up situation where is wife is so overwhelmed by the idea of being corrected by some mean trans-barista that she was unable to order coffee. Also, I have been reading iterations of this BS online for YEARS. Why are transphobes so unimaginative? It's ALWAYS a "barista at a local cafe." So in this case we are keen to roast someone who is lying about a situation in order to make life harder for trans people.

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    StrawberryParfait
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pronouns are easy--he, she, or they will cover pretty much anyone. Any other special pronouns you use are only relevant to those in your family and social groups.

    Katie Lutesinger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was at a convention once, managing a stall along with a friend. A fellow stallholder who was gender ambiguous in appearance started up a conversation, and a little way in my friend said "Excuse me, but what pronouns should I use?" The person told her, the conversation continued pleasantly, and all was well.

    Mary Bank
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I ALMOST spit out my coffee laughing at Rahul Kohli, always can count on him to poke at a dummy and make it funny. :D

    Bryn
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That person used a lot of words to say they were transphobic!

    Tamra Stiffler
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    3 years ago

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    Valerie Finn
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel bad for him he was being very polite, older people don't phrase things the same way; that doesn't mean they have different intentions with what they are saying, like he himself said, trans people are free to induvial expression and happiness like anyone else. His wife spends to much time online though, if I had to guess. People in real life will react to the question like this in my experience: .1 "Huh?, oh I'm not trans" .2 "Uh i use she/her" .3 not want to bring it up being misgendered" .4 not care .5 "which size would you prefer?"

    Angelar
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    3 years ago

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    memyselfandI
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay, all the people complaining didn’t read the last part of the post. I don’t remember if it was an edit or not, but it says that the issue didn’t come up when actually ordering, but while trying to say something to a coworker about the employee. When you’re talking directly to someone, you wouldn’t be using third person pronouns, but you would if you’re talking about them. And sure, she could have used “they”, but maybe she forgot. Or wasn’t comfortable yet with the idea of using a plural pronoun for a singular person (reasonable, it’s not what we’re used to). Or saying “they” would have made it unclear who she was talking about. Either way, I don’t think the commenters were actually talking about the right thing, so the complaints weren’t warranted.

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's funny to watch people jump through hoops like this. He threw a tantrum because he and his wife are petrified of being corrected. That's it. That's the whole story.

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    RoseTheMad
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean, I don't think the man or his wife were being transphobic or anything, after all, she was nervous about misgendering them, but at the same time it is pretty funny because as people said, "Hi can I have a coffee please" works perfectly fine.

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There was no need to gender them in the first place, so why on earth would she be afraid of MISgendering them?

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    Ginger Winters
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    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What are egg shelves and how does one walk on them? Also why does someone gender have anything to do with having a conversation with them?

    Athena Poulos
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pathetic just use first names and if you don't know introduce yourself

    Zedrapazia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think just saying you to the person will solve the he/she/they problem without asking the transperson any uncomfortable questions.

    Don't Look
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel this guy. Yup. But today's society says that we are wrong. Which is nonsensical.

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Which part do you "feel"? Is it the part where he would rather write a sob story about the time his wife was "victimized" by seeing a trans-person and feeling uncomfortable about it than instead just doing the bare hecking minimum of letting someone live their life without being actively disrespected?

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    Craig Reynolds
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As far as I'm concerned, they/them are used to refer to people in the third person. As in, these people over here, they went with them people over there. I'm 61 and I'm not changing who I am or how I address people. This whole situation doesn't have to be the clusterfk some are making it out to be! If they have a name tag then use their name. If not, then don't address them with any kind of pronoun. Just say HI and ask for what you want.

    Craig Reynolds
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here are a few simple solutions to this non-dilemma! 1- Are they wearing a name tag? Use their name. 2- No name tag? Then don't use any pronouns! Other than a hierarchal structure similar to the military with ranks, it's almost never needed. 3- Introduce yourself first. Hi, I'm (insert name). What's your name? 4- If referring to someone in the third person whose name you don't know, then using they/them is generically appropriate. If during the course of the conversation you need to refer to any other person "they" have a relation to (family member, friend, coworker, etc), you can use "their" to refer to the relation. Pronouns are kind of like opinions! Everyone may have one but you don't always have to know everyone else's. Now for some political pronouns! If you lack humor and offend easily, STOP reading NOW. Republican pronoun? Elephant or Rhino. Democrat pronoun? Jackass I don't recommend actually using those in the first person...

    Tee Witt
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can in a way understand this but I have never had a problem with genders, but one has to be so careful what one say to anyone before they are throwing racist at you/

    Craig Reynolds
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hey, you humans commenting here. They/them is fine when referring to a third person but sounds retarded when addressing someone directly. Hi they, I'd like a large coffee...

    Aliquid
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The thing is... you don't consciously think when you talk about what words you are specifically going to use. The words come out as you are thinking. You don't think consciously about walking "left leg, right leg", you just walk. You don't think consciously about a lot of things. if you did... you would be constantly mentally exhausted. SO, saying "they" instead of "he" or "she" takes effort, and the older you are, the more effort it takes... those old ways of talking are deeply burnt into your synapses. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try your best, and then simply say "sorry, this is all new to me" when you make a mistake. rather than getting mad at everyone else.

    Karen Wenzel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the responses they show are exactly why some people are afraid to say one damned thing. because the pc crowd is so stupid and reactionary about s**t, they couldn't even bother to read about the circumstances leading up to her being afraid of offending the person.

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, I read the whole thing. The only problem in that situation is the problem that this guy and his wife Karen CREATED FOR THEMSELVES because they saw a trans person. There was no conflict, there was no correction, there was no friction AT ALL, except that this woman was afraid of feeling uncomfortable. (And BTW, I actually doubt that this situation ever happened, judging by how may times I have read versions of this EXACT SAME STORY. Do you folks really think that all trans people work in coffee shops?!)

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    Frankenfrog
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We want people to respect trans people and engage in learning about trans people as to not offend" *person tries to do just that* "nooooo not like ThAt"

    OJ
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    she was frozen in fear at the thought of asking someone’s pronouns or using gender neutral ones… what part of that is engaging in learning?

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    Gaby Almodovar
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see and understand, that this issue can be a problem in some situations, but ordering a coffee, or anything else? "Can I please have a ...", I'm ordering so in my mother language, and any other, what I can speak at some level. Btw, when it comes a he/she-thing with a trans, I'm always using that pronoun, what fits his/her look. You look, like a woman, you'll be "she", if like a man, "he", I'm not interested in your genitals or state of mind.

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, your disregard for others is such a courageous stand. Slow clap....

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    Deborah B
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    3 years ago

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    I find they/them awkward, and I wish we had polite non-gendered pronouns and title to apply equally to everyone. We could all use them for everyone unless in a situation where gender was directly relevant. I propose "Significant/Sig" and "sig/sigs". As in "Significants Jones and Smith are in a meeting with Sig Grant. Sig's the new rep from Acme." "Good morning Sig/Significant. May I order a flat white coffee please?" "Sig will get the hang of things soon I'm sure." Are they a woman, are they a man, are they non-binary, are they amiguous? It no longer matters, sig is polite for all. Is the foreign name I don't recognise on this resume male or female? It doesn't matter "Dear Significant Surname, Thank you for your resume. We are pleased to invite you to interview" "Excuse me sig, I belive you dropped something"

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are literally using "they" as a third-person singular though your entire comment, in which you argue AGAINST the use of "they" as a singular pronoun. Maybe it's time for you to step away.

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    NoneYa41
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    3 years ago

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    what do you expect when people fly into a rage because someone gets their un-advertised pronouns incorrect? It's not going to change instantaneously, but we'll eventually adapt it into our lexicon. In the meantime, chill out.

    Chris Munro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only person "in a rage" is the dolt who made up this story to post on Twitter.

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    Peter Kelly
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    So, everyone being such smart alecs... without ever considering that the server may have been facing the other way and the wife did not want to shout, "Oy, you!" to get their attention...

    Nikki Sevven
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    There is a quite simple solution to this issue. English has a gender neutral plural pronoun: they/them/their. Let's get rid of gender specific singular pronouns and create a gender neutral singular pronoun. (Personally, I dislike using "they" to refer to one person. It creates additional ambiguity within the English language, and it's already ridiculously ambiguous.)

    albernistuff 4sale
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    3 years ago (edited)

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    The respondents are all kind of SJW jacka$$es; the woman just wanted to avoid giving offence. OOOOH wait, do I need permission to use the term "Woman"? FWIW I have enough education in bio to know that that gender is a spectrum, not an absolute binary situation. The same with gender identity. Just tired of the SJW's looking to virtue signal at every opportunity. The new intolerance...

    Jerry Rockwell
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    3 years ago

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    Simple: Just say, "I'm sorry, but I do not want a PERVERT serving me.

    De Gueb
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    It's easy, do a Crocodile Dundee, reach for the crotch.... apply pronoun according to exploration. Now seriously, I would say can I have a large beer please, I don't drink coffee. Once served I would say "thank you" I don't see the problem. A friend of mine, female walked in on her husband when he was being peg by a tranny and sucking **** of another. Now she was lost for words. She couldn't quite find the right pronoun. Do you see the difference. Did find a good lawyer...........every cloud has a silver lining.

    Peter Weir
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    make a 50/50 choice...unless the snowflake is wearing a sign stating that they fall into this non existent gender/role. He she or f**k u. enough pussy footing around... wear a sign telling people what flavor of the week you are

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