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The Way This White Guy Shut Down A Black Woman Defending Kanye West In A Black Barbershop Is Pure Gold
Ilona Baliūnaitė BoredPanda staff
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Kanye West has been hitting the headlines incessantly of late, with his odd fashion designs, comments on slavery and weird lurch toward right wing figures being the source of baffled amusement, as well as anger and disappointment among many of his fans.
And so Kanye is once again the topic of many a conversation, which is, in my opinion, exactly what he wants. This particular conversation took place in a barbershop, that precious bastion of a public place where strangers will still readily engage in friendly chat without the aid of alcohol.
The barbershop was in Harlem, and apparently has an almost exclusively black clientele. Except on Tuesday. Tuesday has “a white dude.”
And so the story begins. Tweeted out by Twitter user @RafiDAngelo, it is the hilarious tale of Kanye becoming, inevitably, the center of heated conversation, and a plucky white dude brazenly giving his two cents on the matter in a ‘black’ barbershop. How did it all go down? Scroll down below to check it out for yourself, and let us know what you think in the comments!
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It looked like an ordinary barbershop visit to a Twitter user @RafiDAngelo until he saw a white guy sitting there
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Hans 6 years ago
"Black Barbershop", "white man" etc. etc. The US really still have a long way to go.
Rama Llama 6 years ago
I know nothing but I have heard that working with afro-textured hair is so much different from working with caucasian or asian etc hair that there's a good reason for black barbershops.
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adoracat 6 years ago
Very much so!! The curl pattern and texture is not the same across the board, hell, even in families it can vary! I have very fine mostly straight hair. My daughter has curly/wavy hair that is thicker than mine, my son has a LOT of very straight hair. My granddaughter has to go to a specialty hair salon if she ever gets her hair cut (it's never been cut) because her father is African American, and her hair is fine with a definite curl pattern.
Panna Amelia Niezależna 6 years ago
The "white" dude could have afro hair. Believe me or not but I've had worked as barber for two years and even before, I have seen blonde afro. Even if he doesn't I don't see a point why he couldn't go there anyway if it works for him and he likes be cut.
Little Menace 6 years ago
I was a stylist many moons ago and did a 3 yr apprenticeship. I can't see why I couldn't learn how to deal with afro hair also. Or are people saying that white folks are not allowed to put that into their curriculum or we are too stupid for it [fortunately I am not stupid, having gone on to University and made a career, so I think I could handle a semester on Afro hair]? Other way round, there are black stylists that do white hair just fine [say whaaaat?]. C'mon, it smells of self segregation and in my books that's incredibly racist. How about whispy, blonde hair only salons? Or Asian only salons [their hair is far more difficult to deal with than afros and yet I have cut it just fine].
adoracat 6 years ago
I get where you're coming from, Hans. I really do. But what you may not understand is that the words "black barbershop" indicate more than who's in there, it indicates that the people in there specialize in cutting African-type hair. It's not the same as whacking off a few inches of Caucasian-type hair with no specific curl pattern. They have skills in understanding how to wash, treat, and cut hair. It's not segregation, it's specialization. And yeah, not all "black barbershops" have someone ABLE to do more than just run clippers over someone's head. I DO know that of which I speak, a dinosaur's age ago I took a specialized cosmetology course although I didn't go on to get my license. :)
Carolus Maxima 6 years ago
Yep, also "black barbershop" is not just a place people get their hair cut. It's a socio-cultural arena which has, historically, been a place of refuge from the world. There it's safe to talk about things with freedom, and express ideas that are ignored in the real world. 50 or so years ago, a black man could be killed by a while mob for just existing (see Jim Crow and lynching). So having a safe space from a world that doesn't view you as important was critical to survival, quite frankly.
Bobbi Newell 6 years ago
Well said. My 11th grade white English teacher got his hair cut at a black barbershop, because he had very tight curly hair, and just didn't get good results at a regular salon.
Calypso poet 6 years ago
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When I went through cosmetology school in high school 1989 we were scheduled to go to another high school with a majority black students in cosmetology so we could learn how to treat ethnic hair. Unfortunately we got snowed in and couldn’t go and they never rescheduled. Luckily now most cosmo schools and CED classes teach about the different hair types.
M O'Connell 6 years ago
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The stylist who most-often cuts my hair once remarked to a fellow stylist "I LOVE cutting white people's hair, it's so damn easy! Snip, snip, done!" While I've never cut hair myself (aside from the occasional self-imposed buzz-cut) I can appreciate how difficult it must be to cut afro-textured hair.
Monilip 6 years ago
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I'm sorry, what is "caucasian-type hair"? I know people who are very white and their hair is very curly, like little springs. In my own family there are people who are definitly "caucasian-type" and their hair is so curly it looks like afro hair (when not cut very short). I understand need to hairdresser to be specially for special kind of hair (there is nothing wrong with that: where there is a need, there is also a supply) but seriously, not all white people have straight hairs and sometimes it's a bit more difficult to cut them than "whacking off a few inches" :/
Stille20 6 years ago
I hear you, but there are places that tend to attract people that are similar. Try being a chubby person in Abercrombie & Fitch. At least the barber shop welcomed this guy.
Hamlets twin 6 years ago
I love going into A&F just to freak out the tiny people who work there. "Do you have the distressed jeans in a 54" waist? wait never mind, I think I can fit into that size 0 over there"
John Louis 6 years ago
There was a movie with Chris Rock called Good Hair. It sheds some light on the who hair issue.
MBZ MetalsmithArtist 6 years ago
They were just discussing this (Chris Rock film)on an episode of the excellent "99% invisible" podcast (about "the" hair chart) As usual, an informative and interesting show
Grumble o'Pug 6 years ago
Watch Spike Lee's Joe's Bed-Stuy Barbershop: We Cut Heads. Part of the African American experience in America is shaped by separate institutions, for good and bad. To pretend they don't matter is short sighted. They hold history.
Hans 6 years ago
I mean, we recently had this "20+ Rarely Seen Photos Of America In The 1950’s Show How Different Life Was Before" series (https://www.boredpanda.com/usa-vintage-50s-color-photography/). When I read these tweets it seems to me that laws might have changed, but societal perception only did a little. (No offence meant to the US people in general, particularly to those who object segregation.)
ilpounto 6 years ago
Firstly, there's black barbershops because usually you need another black person to cut your african hair or you're gonna be sorry. It specializes in black hair, not black people. Secondly, I really love european people because they usually hate racism and don't want to segregate colors. BUT I hate that you usually don't understand how much different it is to be black in US than in EU. There's long and sad history for black people in US and yes, we have build our own western culture because we had to. And we want to cherish it because it's all we got. We're not foreigners trying to integrate here.
Chris Jones 6 years ago
if the words black and white are where you stop at when reading something, does that not make you racist yourself? I believe you are seeing only what you want to see in this. The entire rest of the article does a decent job of showing that not only was a white man comfortable sitting in a black barber shop (not racist), but also that the employees and customers there (aside the one person with their head on wrong) were actually willing to listen to the guy - and agreed with him.
diane a 6 years ago
there are seperate Ladies and Gents specialised hair salons - would people call that sexist? Although living in a small town most of the salons close on a Monday - one time the only one open was the barber's shop - I only wanted a tiny bit trimming from my fringe but they refused because of a strict "men only" policy
Lucida 6 years ago
I don't live in the US and I don't know that much about how black and white integrates there but why the big fuss around a white man charing his opinion about a celebrity with black people? If it was the other way around, i.e. a black man chared his opinion about a white celebrity with a bunch of white man, would he be considerd brave as well? Why should'nt he be comfortabel in sharing his opinion with and about the opposit race? It's wasn't like he sad anything racist.
Ashley Fernandes 6 years ago
There's a consensus among a large amount of people that white people don't have the right to discuss what is deemed 'black issues' its the same with feminism. There's a group of people that pretty much think men don't have the right to discuss certain things because they're a man and they don't really understand. Same thing kinda.
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PeachPossum 6 years ago
@anarkzie, et al regarding women being forced to breed: State of Iowa just passed a "heartbeat" bill regarding abortion. If a fetal heartbeat is detected, then the woman cannot get an abortion in the state of Iowa. Fetal heartbeats can be detected at 6 weeks. Most women won't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. Lawmakers know this and they are therefore Iowa is forcing the woman to have the baby. Federal court ruled in Roe versus Wade 1973 established that a woman's body is hers, not the government's, but now we are seeing that right being eroded by state laws, and not just by men: The governor of Iowa is a woman.
Feito “Koalas” Koalz 6 years ago
Karen Wenzel, you are right. It's not the same. Racial issues are much, much worse. Women who are forced to carry a baby to term aren't murdered in the street because they refuse to carry that child. They aren't oppressed, or treated like second-class citizens. Also, women of color have it much worse than white women.
Feito “Koalas” Koalz 6 years ago
Also, in nearly every circumstance, a woman can choose whether or not she gets pregnant. A black man doesn't get to choose whether they can be black today, or not.
Monilip 6 years ago
@ PeachPossum "Most women won't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks" - are you kidding me? Most women has cycles about 28days long. And what is first thing people do when they are 2 weeks (or even few days!) late with their period? They do pregnancy test. So please, don't say stuff like "most women does not they are pregnancy at 6 weeks". I know that some women have irregular cycles (mine are, though it's only max 10 days difference) but for most women 14 days late period is pretty good reason to do pregancy test. PS. Fetus is NOT "woman's body". unless you're sugesting that pregnant woman has two heads, four hands, four legs, etc.
Karen Wenzel 6 years ago
Um, NO dear, NOT the same thing at ALL. when a woman is dragged down by men REGULATING HOW she can be a WOMAN, it is NOT the same thing as a racial issue. Whites aren't telling any other race that they have to be forced to breed, be forced to carry a baby to term etc.
Катерина Булатова 6 years ago
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As a woman I feel this is SUCH BS!
Bob 2.0 6 years ago
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That is a stunning amount of bull. Men shouldn't talk about women's body issues, because thy don't have the same bodies. But no matter your race, you are the same. Just wish different skin. Why is this even a thing?
Clarence Moore 6 years ago
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Karen Wenzel If women who are worried about being forced to carry a baby to term would use a little personal responsibility by using the many forms of birth control before pregnancy occurs.
Mika N 6 years ago
It's because white people are seen as having always had the advantage unfairly in the past (which unfortunately is true), so if he tried to share his opinion but it didn't come across right, or seemed out of touch, people would get angry and think he should mind his own business, that he doesn't understand the issue because he's not "part of that culture," or people might feel he's bring condescending, if he acts like he's all noble for taking the time to defend them or like he gets their problems better than them. Fortunately it seems he didn't have any of that attitude and they also took it as he intended. (I'm not saying whether any of these perceptions are right or wrong, that depends on the situation. Just trying to explain some of the culture and potential discomfort as I understand it.)
Bobbi Newell 6 years ago
"Chad" did it exactly right. He acknowledged her intent, offered support in a gracious way, and kept his remarks limited to Kanye. He deserves applause.
Mika N 6 years ago
C, nope, basically how you are received when you share your opinion has a lot to do with your attitude, and whether you offer it as a friend and equal while recognizing you don't know everything if it's not your personal situation, or force it on someone like you're superior.
A S Koziol 6 years ago
"Chad" spoke about things that are part of the human experience, something most of use would have related to regardless of our race, instead of making it a conversation about race. Plus, he was respectful to the others participating in the conversation, and I'm pretty sure that's why they gave him the respect of listening to his views.
Jon Miller 6 years ago
Hi Lucida, you have to understand that a white person would never be in a black barbershop in the first place because the barber probably have never cut a white persons hair. I wouldn't go to a white barber to get my hair cut because they wouldn't know how to cut my hair. It not big thing, just the way it is. in all my years in the US (live in Australia for past 23 yrs) I've never seen a white person in the barbers I go to. Here in Australia you are more likely to see this happen where whites would come to the black shops because they want their hair braided.
Wanda Queen 6 years ago
I remember reading a true account of a little boy who had been sold.....a woman on the plantation took him through the woods to meet up with his mother and say goodbye one last time. She had to DRAG him off her when it was time to go. I'm white AF and I will 100% tell you I recognize I can't "get it" for myself, but as a mother, that spoke to me and I feel like I "got" a small percentage of it that way. Anybody who tells me that was a choice can go straight to hell and I don't care what color they are.
Hans 6 years ago
"Black Barbershop", "white man" etc. etc. The US really still have a long way to go.
Rama Llama 6 years ago
I know nothing but I have heard that working with afro-textured hair is so much different from working with caucasian or asian etc hair that there's a good reason for black barbershops.
Load More Replies... adoracat 6 years ago
Very much so!! The curl pattern and texture is not the same across the board, hell, even in families it can vary! I have very fine mostly straight hair. My daughter has curly/wavy hair that is thicker than mine, my son has a LOT of very straight hair. My granddaughter has to go to a specialty hair salon if she ever gets her hair cut (it's never been cut) because her father is African American, and her hair is fine with a definite curl pattern.
Panna Amelia Niezależna 6 years ago
The "white" dude could have afro hair. Believe me or not but I've had worked as barber for two years and even before, I have seen blonde afro. Even if he doesn't I don't see a point why he couldn't go there anyway if it works for him and he likes be cut.
Little Menace 6 years ago
I was a stylist many moons ago and did a 3 yr apprenticeship. I can't see why I couldn't learn how to deal with afro hair also. Or are people saying that white folks are not allowed to put that into their curriculum or we are too stupid for it [fortunately I am not stupid, having gone on to University and made a career, so I think I could handle a semester on Afro hair]? Other way round, there are black stylists that do white hair just fine [say whaaaat?]. C'mon, it smells of self segregation and in my books that's incredibly racist. How about whispy, blonde hair only salons? Or Asian only salons [their hair is far more difficult to deal with than afros and yet I have cut it just fine].
adoracat 6 years ago
I get where you're coming from, Hans. I really do. But what you may not understand is that the words "black barbershop" indicate more than who's in there, it indicates that the people in there specialize in cutting African-type hair. It's not the same as whacking off a few inches of Caucasian-type hair with no specific curl pattern. They have skills in understanding how to wash, treat, and cut hair. It's not segregation, it's specialization. And yeah, not all "black barbershops" have someone ABLE to do more than just run clippers over someone's head. I DO know that of which I speak, a dinosaur's age ago I took a specialized cosmetology course although I didn't go on to get my license. :)
Carolus Maxima 6 years ago
Yep, also "black barbershop" is not just a place people get their hair cut. It's a socio-cultural arena which has, historically, been a place of refuge from the world. There it's safe to talk about things with freedom, and express ideas that are ignored in the real world. 50 or so years ago, a black man could be killed by a while mob for just existing (see Jim Crow and lynching). So having a safe space from a world that doesn't view you as important was critical to survival, quite frankly.
Bobbi Newell 6 years ago
Well said. My 11th grade white English teacher got his hair cut at a black barbershop, because he had very tight curly hair, and just didn't get good results at a regular salon.
Calypso poet 6 years ago
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When I went through cosmetology school in high school 1989 we were scheduled to go to another high school with a majority black students in cosmetology so we could learn how to treat ethnic hair. Unfortunately we got snowed in and couldn’t go and they never rescheduled. Luckily now most cosmo schools and CED classes teach about the different hair types.
M O'Connell 6 years ago
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The stylist who most-often cuts my hair once remarked to a fellow stylist "I LOVE cutting white people's hair, it's so damn easy! Snip, snip, done!" While I've never cut hair myself (aside from the occasional self-imposed buzz-cut) I can appreciate how difficult it must be to cut afro-textured hair.
Monilip 6 years ago
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I'm sorry, what is "caucasian-type hair"? I know people who are very white and their hair is very curly, like little springs. In my own family there are people who are definitly "caucasian-type" and their hair is so curly it looks like afro hair (when not cut very short). I understand need to hairdresser to be specially for special kind of hair (there is nothing wrong with that: where there is a need, there is also a supply) but seriously, not all white people have straight hairs and sometimes it's a bit more difficult to cut them than "whacking off a few inches" :/
Stille20 6 years ago
I hear you, but there are places that tend to attract people that are similar. Try being a chubby person in Abercrombie & Fitch. At least the barber shop welcomed this guy.
Hamlets twin 6 years ago
I love going into A&F just to freak out the tiny people who work there. "Do you have the distressed jeans in a 54" waist? wait never mind, I think I can fit into that size 0 over there"
John Louis 6 years ago
There was a movie with Chris Rock called Good Hair. It sheds some light on the who hair issue.
MBZ MetalsmithArtist 6 years ago
They were just discussing this (Chris Rock film)on an episode of the excellent "99% invisible" podcast (about "the" hair chart) As usual, an informative and interesting show
Grumble o'Pug 6 years ago
Watch Spike Lee's Joe's Bed-Stuy Barbershop: We Cut Heads. Part of the African American experience in America is shaped by separate institutions, for good and bad. To pretend they don't matter is short sighted. They hold history.
Hans 6 years ago
I mean, we recently had this "20+ Rarely Seen Photos Of America In The 1950’s Show How Different Life Was Before" series (https://www.boredpanda.com/usa-vintage-50s-color-photography/). When I read these tweets it seems to me that laws might have changed, but societal perception only did a little. (No offence meant to the US people in general, particularly to those who object segregation.)
ilpounto 6 years ago
Firstly, there's black barbershops because usually you need another black person to cut your african hair or you're gonna be sorry. It specializes in black hair, not black people. Secondly, I really love european people because they usually hate racism and don't want to segregate colors. BUT I hate that you usually don't understand how much different it is to be black in US than in EU. There's long and sad history for black people in US and yes, we have build our own western culture because we had to. And we want to cherish it because it's all we got. We're not foreigners trying to integrate here.
Chris Jones 6 years ago
if the words black and white are where you stop at when reading something, does that not make you racist yourself? I believe you are seeing only what you want to see in this. The entire rest of the article does a decent job of showing that not only was a white man comfortable sitting in a black barber shop (not racist), but also that the employees and customers there (aside the one person with their head on wrong) were actually willing to listen to the guy - and agreed with him.
diane a 6 years ago
there are seperate Ladies and Gents specialised hair salons - would people call that sexist? Although living in a small town most of the salons close on a Monday - one time the only one open was the barber's shop - I only wanted a tiny bit trimming from my fringe but they refused because of a strict "men only" policy
Lucida 6 years ago
I don't live in the US and I don't know that much about how black and white integrates there but why the big fuss around a white man charing his opinion about a celebrity with black people? If it was the other way around, i.e. a black man chared his opinion about a white celebrity with a bunch of white man, would he be considerd brave as well? Why should'nt he be comfortabel in sharing his opinion with and about the opposit race? It's wasn't like he sad anything racist.
Ashley Fernandes 6 years ago
There's a consensus among a large amount of people that white people don't have the right to discuss what is deemed 'black issues' its the same with feminism. There's a group of people that pretty much think men don't have the right to discuss certain things because they're a man and they don't really understand. Same thing kinda.
Load More Replies... PeachPossum 6 years ago
@anarkzie, et al regarding women being forced to breed: State of Iowa just passed a "heartbeat" bill regarding abortion. If a fetal heartbeat is detected, then the woman cannot get an abortion in the state of Iowa. Fetal heartbeats can be detected at 6 weeks. Most women won't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. Lawmakers know this and they are therefore Iowa is forcing the woman to have the baby. Federal court ruled in Roe versus Wade 1973 established that a woman's body is hers, not the government's, but now we are seeing that right being eroded by state laws, and not just by men: The governor of Iowa is a woman.
Feito “Koalas” Koalz 6 years ago
Karen Wenzel, you are right. It's not the same. Racial issues are much, much worse. Women who are forced to carry a baby to term aren't murdered in the street because they refuse to carry that child. They aren't oppressed, or treated like second-class citizens. Also, women of color have it much worse than white women.
Feito “Koalas” Koalz 6 years ago
Also, in nearly every circumstance, a woman can choose whether or not she gets pregnant. A black man doesn't get to choose whether they can be black today, or not.
Monilip 6 years ago
@ PeachPossum "Most women won't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks" - are you kidding me? Most women has cycles about 28days long. And what is first thing people do when they are 2 weeks (or even few days!) late with their period? They do pregnancy test. So please, don't say stuff like "most women does not they are pregnancy at 6 weeks". I know that some women have irregular cycles (mine are, though it's only max 10 days difference) but for most women 14 days late period is pretty good reason to do pregancy test. PS. Fetus is NOT "woman's body". unless you're sugesting that pregnant woman has two heads, four hands, four legs, etc.
Karen Wenzel 6 years ago
Um, NO dear, NOT the same thing at ALL. when a woman is dragged down by men REGULATING HOW she can be a WOMAN, it is NOT the same thing as a racial issue. Whites aren't telling any other race that they have to be forced to breed, be forced to carry a baby to term etc.
Катерина Булатова 6 years ago
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As a woman I feel this is SUCH BS!
Bob 2.0 6 years ago
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That is a stunning amount of bull. Men shouldn't talk about women's body issues, because thy don't have the same bodies. But no matter your race, you are the same. Just wish different skin. Why is this even a thing?
Clarence Moore 6 years ago
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Karen Wenzel If women who are worried about being forced to carry a baby to term would use a little personal responsibility by using the many forms of birth control before pregnancy occurs.
Mika N 6 years ago
It's because white people are seen as having always had the advantage unfairly in the past (which unfortunately is true), so if he tried to share his opinion but it didn't come across right, or seemed out of touch, people would get angry and think he should mind his own business, that he doesn't understand the issue because he's not "part of that culture," or people might feel he's bring condescending, if he acts like he's all noble for taking the time to defend them or like he gets their problems better than them. Fortunately it seems he didn't have any of that attitude and they also took it as he intended. (I'm not saying whether any of these perceptions are right or wrong, that depends on the situation. Just trying to explain some of the culture and potential discomfort as I understand it.)
Bobbi Newell 6 years ago
"Chad" did it exactly right. He acknowledged her intent, offered support in a gracious way, and kept his remarks limited to Kanye. He deserves applause.
Mika N 6 years ago
C, nope, basically how you are received when you share your opinion has a lot to do with your attitude, and whether you offer it as a friend and equal while recognizing you don't know everything if it's not your personal situation, or force it on someone like you're superior.
A S Koziol 6 years ago
"Chad" spoke about things that are part of the human experience, something most of use would have related to regardless of our race, instead of making it a conversation about race. Plus, he was respectful to the others participating in the conversation, and I'm pretty sure that's why they gave him the respect of listening to his views.
Jon Miller 6 years ago
Hi Lucida, you have to understand that a white person would never be in a black barbershop in the first place because the barber probably have never cut a white persons hair. I wouldn't go to a white barber to get my hair cut because they wouldn't know how to cut my hair. It not big thing, just the way it is. in all my years in the US (live in Australia for past 23 yrs) I've never seen a white person in the barbers I go to. Here in Australia you are more likely to see this happen where whites would come to the black shops because they want their hair braided.
Wanda Queen 6 years ago
I remember reading a true account of a little boy who had been sold.....a woman on the plantation took him through the woods to meet up with his mother and say goodbye one last time. She had to DRAG him off her when it was time to go. I'm white AF and I will 100% tell you I recognize I can't "get it" for myself, but as a mother, that spoke to me and I feel like I "got" a small percentage of it that way. Anybody who tells me that was a choice can go straight to hell and I don't care what color they are.
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