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19 Amazing Vintage Photos That Show How People Worked Before AutoCAD
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19 Amazing Vintage Photos That Show How People Worked Before AutoCAD

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We here at Bored Panda really love finding some interesting facts from our past, preferably together with some vintage photos to illustrate them. This time we’d like to share with you how an essential profession – the drafting technician – looked like before computers began their reign. A drafting technician may work in many spheres – from architecture to manufacturing and is responsible for engineering drafts, architecture drawings, and house plans. To put it simply – no structure is ever built without them.

Technological advances cause some professions to cease to exist, but in the case of drafting technicians, it just made their desks smaller and tidier. AutoCAD was released in 1982, and by 1994 as many as 750 training centers had been using it worldwide. Before, drafting required pencils, erasers, t-squares, and much more time. And the photos below really show it. Looking at them, you can almost hear the rustling paper. Now, architecture design, electrical and other drafters are mainly clicking their mouse and keyboard.

Scroll down to check out what the old days were like. As the saying goes – the more you know, the less you need!

(h/t dyt, vintageeveryday)

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    Bob Beltcher
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My father worked as a draftsman as a subcontractor for NASA in Houston. I remember spending the summers helping him organize D and E size paper. When I was a freshman in high school I took a draftsman course and designed my own house. 20 years later I still have my finished blue prints which I scored a 99 on (chimney was off a foot on the plot plan). I will build that house one day.

    Natalie C
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been a graphic designer for almost 40 years and that's how we use to work. Lots of changes since then, but the most life-changing thing is that now it is super expensive to ply my trade. Use to be I just needed an exacto blade and a few pens and pencils. Nowadays, my equipment and programs are expensive and need to be constantly upgraded.

    Mark Grudzinski
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hear you! I miss the craft aspect of design... working with my hands and not having to rely on the latest software.

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    cpd228
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started out as a draftsman in Oak Ridge, TN in 1969 and was proud to have worked on the Apollo Lunar Sample Return Container (Moon Box) which was designed and built at my plant. I got to watch the evolution of drafting well past what is shown in the photos. Hand drawing was a craft and I admired so many older co-workers and their skills. Fond memories!

    Mark Hofreiter
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked in offices not unlike those above! We smoked too! Yikes!! On linen, velum and Mylar. Ink, pencil and plastic leads. T-squares and so-called drafting machines. These years were 1974 through 1979 and then I found a job with the first architect in a large southeastern city with the first CAD program (Autotrol) run on Sperry Univac mainframes and Tekronix green screen screen work stations. Am now working in 3D in Revit. It has been an amazing ride.

    tednugentlives
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ever had an engineer set a coffee mug on a drawing you just finished. The ring of shame. Aarrrrrrrgh!

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    Bill
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If US went to the moon with slide rulers and 8bit processing power imagine where we could be if we didn't focus on war for the past 50 years?

    Katie and Jared Coates
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well Japan and Germany are good examples. They turned around and focused on technology and education.

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    Joanne Wright
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, I spotted only two women in total in all of these photos, and I had to look hard to find them. That is as big a change to the industry as the computerization, how successfully women have moved into the field.

    OrthoDude
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And of course, they were all men, except for one trailblazing woman in the last picture.

    Kenny Kulbiski
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saw a documentary last night about designing the Concord airplane. There were literally thousands of engineers and draftsmen drawing things. I can't imagine how they kept it all straight.

    diane a
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    6 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once had an old industrial drawing board from around the 1950's. Got it from the factory where I worked when they turned to CAD in the early 90's. Cast iron stand, 5ft by 4ft drawing surface made of hardwood, ajustable from flat to completely upright with all the rulers and things on wires. Seriously heavy duty.

    Rb Marcino
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Still have my Dad's Drafting Table in my Graphics studio. He was a Mechanical Electrical Engineer in Philly who was a treasure to learn from growing up. The best was when he had offices in the Art Museum.

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    Catherine Spencer-Mills
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dad worked for the BLM in the early 60s he would bring home his work occasionally. I wanted to take shop classes (1964) and was told "no girls." When I asked why, they said I might get hurt. "Even drafting?" No, not allowed. Funny, because when I went to college in 1969 majoring in engineering, drafting was required. So I'm taking this class, the only female, left-handed, and no prior experience - unlike the guys. The irony was not lost on me. I did manage to pull an A.

    Kevin Camp
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have made that transformation in the last 35 years in manufacturing, from a drawing board, to 2D comuter drafting to 3d modeling. Soemtimes I miss the accomplishment of making an E sized drawing with multiple detail views and sections and have it look like a piece of art.

    birdhouse
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Back before they sucked out all of the fun in drafting and architecture.

    spirit wolf
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my design school we still work like this exactly. We spend freshmen and sophomore year hand drafting and still continue to hand draft to this day.

    Christopher Gosnell
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have actually laid on my belly drawing curves using a spline and 'ducks' like one of the pictures. My father started drafting at link-belt in Chicago. He would tell me that you didn't get your first pay raise until your lettering looked acceptable and everyone's was the same.

    Shane Chang
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm married to an architect, he got home at 4am the other morning... that's using autoCAD.

    B
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Man, I remember learning architectural drawing on one of those huge drawing tables. They were actually brilliant to use. And I also remember first learning Photoshop (version 2 or something) back in the mid 90s. Doesn't seem so long ago. Damn, I feel old.

    Greg Osborne
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn't go to art school until I was in my early thirties. That was 86 or 87. Had 12 weeks of Aldus Pagemaker on a PC. Graduated in 89 at the beginning of the Digital Revolution. Most places were either just starting to transition from the old ways or still firmly entrenched in them. One of my first jobs was in the art department of a major retailer. I worked on a drafting table doing marker layouts and photo retouching (Paasche AB!). I think there were computers in accounting but there was nary a one in the art department. There was not a single sign of change when they went out of business in 93. The higher ups were running through the halls in a panic! I almost left the business at that point because I just did not want to go back to school for computers. I worked at a few more places that were still languishing in the stone age but could see the writing on the wall: Change with the times or get out. Finally went back to school. First day in Photoshop, it was like a duck to water!

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    Alusair Alustriel
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My parents both were designing machine parts on huge boards by drawing. They met and fell in love at work. After some years a change came and orders from the East stopped coming (mind you it was around 80s). So the company (which funny thing, exists up till this day) started reducing the staff. This way my father became unemployed and my mom got a choice between bein guneployed and taking up a broom and cleaning toilets at the place. Having a small kid they had little choice. The perconal computers were not available to learn CAD and alike. So from a wonderful inspoiring job they had their life broken pretty much. Just another das story of a really bad timing with age of employers and technical development.

    Mimi
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This looks so much more sensual and fulfilling to me. Wonderful! Men with ties laying on huge drawings. And no customer from hell saying come on, it's just a few clicks, mail it tonight. Not everything was better - but definitely some!

    Aunt Messy
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband still works this way for our house project. He's having fun with it.

    Misterscooter
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are cool photos. Romantic, even. I especially love the 'floating' desks to maximize space.

    DotC
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In Junior High (Middle School), non artist kids filled up my art classes so I ended up in drafting and shop classes. I learned some pretty cool things that were still art. By high school, I got back into commercial art classes and I had some good skills the other art students didn't have.

    Matthieu Bout
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Back in those days you needed a little more time, but nowadays, you need a lot of money with the expensive programs, computers and upgrades. The speed went up, but with that also the pressure and stress. Are we better of now?

    Si
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The people who designed every aspect of our environment. No wonder it works best for white males.

    noitall man
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Alternate titles: "Pics of minorities and all their rights back in the day" "White Dudes!" 'Woman takes picture of man, then is told to go home to kids!"

    Jeff__Coon
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The company I work for was founded in 1897, and as we move into solidworks I find myself hoarding some of the oldest paper drawings and glass sides when I run across them. It really is art. I honest don't think I have the skill to do that kind of work anymore.

    Alfonso Quilala Jr
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    During those times, project lasts 5 to 10 years! When the project starts, you can decide to buy a new car and will be able to pay until the project ends.

    Eric Forster
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the Eighties, I worked for a civil engineering firm. I did plans and profiles in ink on mylar. We had two computers. One was for our secretary, the other (a Kaypro 2) was used to log the inventory numbers for our drawings.

    Brian Freed
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And of course nothing like finishing an inked drawing and " Brian we have a modification to make" Auto-Cad made mods and repetive items s breeze. I adapted to Auto-cad like a duck to water. As I type this comment I am looking at my antique slide rule and Swiss made drafting instruments. Havent touched them in 38 years. I willadmit to splurding on a 36" monitor

    Eddie77
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many minds working at the same time concentrated trying to perform their best effort.

    Karen Sehi
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was the first woman in my high school to take drafting in 1975. I ended up working in Engineering when IBM's CADRA came out. We were a contractor working for GM and GM was requiring all the contractors to go to CAD. None of the older guys wanted to give up manual drafting so I was the first person trained in CAD at our company. When the layoffs started, I was the youngest person kept on the longest before the Manager made his buddies learn CAD so he didn't have to lay them off. As soon as they were trained, I was let go. A week later I had a job paying $8,000 grand more because of my CAD skills. I was also asked to be a CAD Trainer after my shift so for four hours in the evenings they paid me time and a half for a year.

    Harry Gregory
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well I started on the board back in 76 being a contract mercenary. I worked on everything from electrical contractual, Nuclear power plant, Oil pipeline company, Power station construction, Gas station reconstruction, redesigning workflow for FAA complaint company, In my travels I had to use the board, VersaCAD, AutoCAD, Autodesk Inventor, SolidWorks CADKey, MicroStation, ProEngineer, and I am now using NX. It has been quite a ride and it is not over yet.

    Brigitta Swart
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep, that was me 30 years ago. Lying on the middle of the draughting table doing my thing. (Drawing) lol

    Doug McAbee
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's what my dad did. He loved being a draughtsman. He hauled us all to Marrietta Georgia so he could draw for Lockheed making the first-ever 747. Also Phoenix working for Goodyear Aerospace, and New Mexico working for an unnamed employer... I remember the big table he worked off at home when he was moonlighting. We helped with the very simple stuff. He ended up retiring early to avoid learning AutoCAD, though at the time he was designing computer parts.

    Parag Pendharkar
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have witnessed this journey From 1982 to 1992 Drafting board. 1992- Autocad 2, 1994 Onwards Pro/Engineer (Now CREO)

    Ali Eleam
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well so much for photos of talented women workers - thank for absolutely nothing applicable to 1/2 your audience!

    Jessica Schmitt
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m a woman and love seeing these pics... it was a mans industry back then, so what... doesn’t bother me...these men were talented..I can appreciate that

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    Santi Cortes
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I work as a draftsman now and to me it’s the worst experience ever. It’s been only 4 months and can’t wait to dump cad to the trash can haha. How can people “have fun” using autocad. Please explain!

    Pretty Pangolin
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Love the ones who are literally lying on their work - while formally dressed!

    Marcia Breen
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My naval architect husband calls this "PencilCAD" he still does all his design and engineering drawings by hand. I quite envy his non-reliance on IT!

    Ferdinand Bogman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    History repeats. In the near future we will have touchscreens as large as those desks...

    Robert Chrusciel
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You could do it all by yourself. Plot the property line coordinates to catch the surveyor's error using a 1974-era hand calculation costing $100 in 1974 dollars. Plot coordinates of the column line grid. Do it in ink so you eliminate the pencil smudge. It would all come within half a foot at 40 scale. Now erasing...that was annoying.

    Scott Roth
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Still design by hand with white trace, markers, etc....have a 48" straightedge on my "drafting board"with a flat screen and AutoCAd/Sketchup in front of me. Using all generations I was trained with!

    Zet
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "back in my days finding a job was so easy, the youth of today is so lazy" welllll tell me more about computers taking away your jobs minimizing work effort, so that 1 person can do the job of 5 but gets still payed like 1 instead of having a better salary. tell me more about how nowadays you not only have to understand how a computers work but always need to be updated with the newest programs and apps to keep on track or you fall trough the grid of society.. tell me more about how less people there were 60 years ago. these pictures make me really sad..

    Mike Driskill
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't just remember, I lived it! I loved hand drawing, and became an architect cuz I like to draw, not cuz I like to push buttons. I took pride in being literally "hands one" and crafting a nice sheet. But one has to admit that what you can do with a drawing these days is pretty amazing, too, far beyond anything we imagined then. That first photo is a great illustration of why architects still refer to busy times as, "a**holes and elbows." That's mostly what you saw when you walked into the room, LOL...!

    Mike Driskill
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Remember, heck I lived it! I became an architect cuz I liked to draw, not cuz I was good at pushing buttons. That first photo is great. It perfectly illustrates why architects still refer to busy times as being "a**holes and elbows," LOL... that's about all you saw when you walked into the room!

    Warren Smith
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep, that was how it was done when I started in the '70s. The fun part was in the '80s when the CAD guys would try to keep up with us in the first submittal phase. They would laugh at us at revision time when we were busy with our electric erasers, and they were click, click, click and done.

    Haydn Shaughnessy
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People standing up to do their work, looking pretty fit and healthy. We have come a long way but as the economist Victor Keegan once said, some of it is progress in a backwards direction.

    Thomas Es Thomas
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a lot more Efficient than using the computer. Rulers and pencils allow you to correct costly mistakes on the fly. Also it doesn't take $30,000 of electronics to design a building or a road. I can make a sketch of an intersection in fifteen minutes. With CAD it takes about two hours and there's actually very little you can do with it. God does not draw with straight lines and neither should you.

    Tarun Rohilla
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh man! I remember my UG project was completed in Auto cad, what will happen if Auto Cad is not there!

    Doc Thissen
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to draft with AutoCAD, but my company (a very large company - some 10k employees) decided this was a waste of my time and created a special department just for AutoCAD drafting. They offered me a position on condition that I move. I turned down the offer. Today, I have to draft out my designs by hand, on graph paper to... wait for it... send to the specialized department. Gotta love corporate America!

    Nestor Geslani
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah I remember those days, everyone wore a tie too and a lot were smoking which would sometimes burn a hole on the paper! And of course when there was a change (and there were a lot) you have to rubbed them off until you create again a hole! And boy did it take so lo-o-o-ng to finish a drawing. But it was fun for sure and a lot of pride in our work. That really separated the good ones from the mediocre to the bad ones.

    Abhinav Dhar
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was life in our first year of UnderGrad too, 2012, and surely still the same. Only for teaching though.

    Dwight Beasley
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You had a board, paper, pencils, pens and erasers. That setup probably cost a few hundred. Autocad and Revit each cost thousands and now Autodesk is pushing for a monthly subscription. I'd say the disadvantage was printing from paper. Doing blueprints was messy with having to handle bottles of chemicals and trying to line up the copies exactly. Fun times.

    Diver Driver
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Coolest part of Auburn Cord museum are the sepia drawings. the detail of the wiper assembly is awesome. Today our drafters on CAD can't see a foot of interference!

    Syuzanna Avetisyan
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve had such a good experience using CMS IntelliCAD and find it to be one of the best CAD software out there. It was so easy for me to start working with it as it offers all the CAD tools that I am already familiar with. I got a free trial right upon registration. It was great as I was able to work with the software to understand whether it’s worth it, and the special offer by CMS came as a nice surprise. Definitely recommended on my part!

    NeverGoWoke
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Technology can be amazing and it makes jobs a lot easier but it's sad to see so many men saying they still prefer drawing their designs, instead of using AutoCAD software.

    NeverGoWoke
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It seems technology cannot fix everything, it sometimes sucks the fundamental joy out of work and even makes work more complicated (especially with so many patches and upgrades to install).

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    R PLobo
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You really need a side by side comparison of what an office looks like now. These archive photos also represent large scale projects and bigger offices so the point seems to be how much more efficient and less cumbersome we are now. Quite the opposite.A drawing set for an office or residential tower from the 1960s is a fraction of the size of what is being pumped out today. I speak from way to much experience in autocad hell. Also autocad has co-opted drafting - look at the cost of a license - architecture is a race to the bottom.

    Scott Vaughan
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I graduated NCSU School of Design in 1992. The industry had gone mostly AutoCAD by that point, but NCSU was at least 5 years behind the times. I should have gone and taken some AutoCAD classes at the local community college, but by that point I was just DONE. Now I work win clinical drug development with my design degree! :-/

    David Hawkins
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the coolest things this brings to mind was the Naval Officers School in the early part of the 20th century. I recently read the biography of Robert Heinlein, and he tells of one of the duties of a new midshipman on every ship. They were required to keep notebooks and draw all the fittings for every element of the ship they came across. So each ship you manned meant a set of books dedicated to that ship. You might not have the opportunity to draw the entire ship, but what competence that must have brought to the crew! I wonder if there is anything like that going on today.

    Gary Tootell
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to draw little spiders webs on the slow Draughtsmans drawings.. :)

    Jean Anne Gorman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Great photos but where are the women I started drafting 45+ years ago on the board and started using Auto CAD in 1986 it was a brilliant career I have just retired

    vonniè Debellotte
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's how they did it. We devoted a whole floor to it. Amazing how technology has evolved in such a short period of time.

    Michael Fornetti
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked at Ford Motor Co back in 1969 as a student engineer. We had just switched to 3 D coordinate system and had just started testing computer aided manufacturing 3D machines,. I recall my group leader saying , when looking over the engine drafting room with ~ 100 designers, checkers and detailers in it that this all goes away many years from now.

    Alan White
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I began working in the design office in an electrical/mechanical engineering company in South London in 1960 aged 15. By 22 I was working in Boston USA. By 24 I was married and working for UOP in Chicago and by 26 I was in Sines in Portugal working on the grass roots Sines refinery as a piping field engineer. By 29 I was back in London working on huge North Sea oil production platform in the Norwegian sector. In 1978 I moved to Oslo Norway working on the topsides designs of the Stafjiord B platform. In 1981 I moved to Perth Australia where I worked for the next 33 years in the Oil and Gas and resources sector. I started my own engineering design company in 1984 and built it into a very successful business. I moved back to Europe in 2012 and settled in Belgium. I am still working full time at the age of 74 on several tech start-ups and travel extensively around the world advising on tech. I plan on maybe retiring in around 2040. A wonderful career.

    Chris Riley
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    that is the time when we could smoke crack, work, and not screw up the computer.

    Bobita Bobita
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No idea why thousands of people should work in the same room just because there is no Autocad yet. :))))

    Dale Mason
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The USS Missouri Battleship was designed, built and sailed in 39 months, most of it designed on the fly as it was being built. An equivalent ship today takes 3-5 years of design and another 3-5 years to build so have we progressed?

    Dale Mason
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The USS Missouri was designed, built and sailed in 39 months, most of it was designed on the fly while being built and today and equivalent with CAD would 5 years to design alone and another 4 to build so have we progressed?

    Joe Zach
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Looks interesting especially lying on the floor. Worked as a Draftsman in Tata Motors using the drafting board and then using Pro Engineering software. Autocad was never used by our company- Joe Zach.

    Lee Painter
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Of these photos, I find the issue of equality more intriguing. Change the article header from 'People' to 'White Males'.

    Petrica Podbadalo
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These people have built the world we live in today, and today we don't even get to live off the amount of work we have to do. Where is the progress?

    tednugentlives
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked my first drafting job in 1988 on the board. I did revisions on a few drawings on rag from the 1930s. They were amazing. the drawig skill was way beyond the latter generations.

    tednugentlives
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Like if you remember how awful the templates smelled or if you know what pounce is. (not from cat either)

    Adrian Morley
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a Boilermaker and all the drawing we worked to were much simpler than they are today but the tradesman at the time were taught how to read them and knew what they were doing but as a cad jokey, today I must take my hat off to them all

    Vincent Greenhalgh
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's much more convenient to be able to carry a laptop around and make adjustments on the spur of the moment using cad.

    Jeff Hornsey
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Drawings which were all my own design had my full signature in the bottom right corner. Those which were altered under instruction from above just had my initials. I don't think the boss ever noticed !

    Najib Maan
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to work in an open plan drawing office for a large house builder with a name similar to famous burger outlet.........wow things have changed but I’m still detailing by hand on my A1 size drawing board at home/office.......

    Ken Clark
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started as a draftsman in the early 80's drawing with pencil on vellum, the plastic lead on mylar. It was fun and every draftsman had a style, and we all worked on our penmanship. What is still true today is that if you created sloppy drawings when drawn by hand, AutoCAD doesn't fix bad habits.

    Mark Demmerle
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I drafted by hand, e leads on mylar, while working at Roche Dinkeloo Associates in the 1980's. It was a terrific experience especially when 40 of us devoted our energies to producing the bid sets. It was quite remarkable how well coordinated 100 plus sheets (30"x 60") were and, how beautiful these hand drawn sets really are.

    Daniel Gallardo
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had the pleasure of training with a steel detailer that had years of experience in this craft and he would tell me how he hated AUTOCAD and would tell me that todays details, "don't hold water". I started my career using scales, utensils, graph sheets and old ammonia plotter and I can see how "copy & paste" style is lacking.

    hashem roshanaie
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When our kids in the future would look back to the way we currently deal with architects, they will find it more funny than what we feel about our parents' ways before autocad!

    Sudarshan Arampathan
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m sure productivity and quality was much better back then. Because people were to work on “one thing at a time”. With the intervention of computers, to an extent people are expected to work on multiple tasks side by side. We draw in cad, make a 3d model, edit images in photoshop, prepare presentation in Indesign/PowerPoint.... all side by side. Pretending to be superhumans. And none care for quality.Oh, btw, responding to mails and pop ups on phones not to be ignored 😄

    Jamil Tayyab
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is really amazing. Always sharing useful info for us. I have been following you for a long time. I also have a small blog similar to you. Feel free to visit 20 AutoCAD Commands to Speed Up Your Performance I will be happy to hear back from you too.

    David Burnett
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes I remember it well. I enjoyed both manual drafting and especially Catia V5. I still have all my tools and try to do all my drawing at home with them.

    John Belanger
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was trained in drafting in the late 70's and I had had a true sense of the scale I was drawing with , whether it was 1//8", 1/4" or half scale. Now drawing on Autocad I am constantly zooming in and out not sure what scale I was drawing with. Drawing on the board gave me a more sense of accomplishment when I was finished I had my own style of lettering and no one could take that away from me. I often wonder if anybody are still using the drawings I drew so many years ago.

    H Adam Holcman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes folks, this is really how it was. I started working as a draftsman in the mid 60's, while in college, studying to become an architect and a structural engineer.... Back then we all used regular H or 2H graphite led, with lead holders, (mechanical pencils) that had to be constantly sharpened in a circular Bruning lead pointer, on 1000H Velum clearprint paper.... We used "Parallel Rules" mounted on the drafting boards with steel wires, and/or Mutoh "Drafting Machines" with 18" plastic scales, mounted on top of our drafting boards.... We drew all the plans, details, perspectives and isometrics by hand, with plastic triangles, parallel rules and drafting machines.... At several of my early jobs I remember having to draw with India Ink on "cloth", because they were runnig thousands of blueprint copies from my originals.

    H Adam Holcman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the mid to late 70's I, along with many others, switched over from graphite lead pencils and started drawing with plastic polymer lead from Pentel, in their new 0.7mm and 0.9mm pencil lead holders, on "Mylar" (plastic) sheets. This was a big improvement; no more graphite lead all over the fingers, white shirts and pants..... Like most people today, I use computers for all my work now, but occasionally I still draw some building plans and details for concrete timber and steel by hand, with my own old drafting board and parallel rule, which I still have in my office.☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️

    H Adam Holcman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes folks, this is really how it was. I started working as a draftsman in the mid 60's, while in college, studying to become an architect and a structural engineer.... Back then we all used regular H or 2H graphite led, with lead holders, (mechanical pencils) that had to be constantly sharpened in a circular Bruning lead pointer, on 1000H Velum clearprint paper.... We used "Parallel Rules" mounted on the drafting boards with steel wires, and/or Mutoh "Drafting Machines" with 18" plastic scales, mounted on top of our drafting boards.... We drew all the plans, details, perspectives and isometrics by hand, with plastic triangles, parallel rules and drafting machines.... At several of my early jobs I remember having to draw with India Ink on "cloth", because they were runnig thousands of blueprint copies from my originals.... In the mid to late 70's I, along with many others, switched over from graphite lead pencils and started drawing with plastic polymer lead from Pentel, in their new 0.

    Curtis Szymczyk
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Very interesting pictures. I got into the business back in 1973, so I can relate. The drawings back then we're so artistic. Much more thought was put into the design before the graphite was put to the paper; just hated to erase. With all this fancy design software, a designer can knock out an entire unit very quickly without any solid information. Then when the information arrives on the equipment, the changes are that more difficult because you have to work around a lot. Much time is wasted and the client gets a sloppy design at the end of the day.

    Aakash Sharma
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One could call it an evolution in the AEC space. Technology is all about a medium to ease your job, save resources and increase productivity along with efficiency. TREZI is the future in the AEC industry now. www.trezi.com

    Jeff Casper
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Born in 1977 I barely caught the end of paper and pencil fundamentals of drafting instruction in community college. The classes after those were AutoCAD classes. I also had a job as Drafter I on Selfridge Air Force base after high school. I had a big drafting table in my office with the classic light green soft laminate top. I had a computer in that same office with AutoCAD R12 on it. It was a DOS version so there were no toolbars, only hot key commands. I still use those hot key commands every day at work with the latest AutoCAD releases.

    Bill Martinez
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started in the early 70s with a drafting machine mounted on a drafting board. High tech then was when you were one of the few that had an electric eraser. The idea was never to put more lines down in the morning than you could erase in the afternoon; well, at least it seemed that way some times. Calculators were relatively new, and computers were non-existent in the engineering room. The latest design software I used was Autodesk Inventor and SolidWorks; it's like magic compared to what I started with. I wonder what we will have 20 years from now.

    Mike Boehm
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started designing when CAD was already a thing but would much prefer a pencil and paper!

    Robert Trenn
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having lived through the changes from "Graphite Cad" to present day, reminds of the bittersweet changes technology brings. The drafting room where social bonds and lifelong friendships were formed will be greatly missed but is offset by improved space utilization along with efficient dispatch of data to all corners of the world today. Will fondly remember the good old days.....

    Mark Hinckley
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As an individual who learned traditional board drafting skills in high school and college and went thru the industry wide transition to computer driven design, I consider myself extremely LUCKY. Why? As many here have stated, drafting was an artform. It took skill to be able to look at what needed to be put to paper and positioned so you only had to draw it once. Proper placement of notes, aligned so they were easy to follow, to read. Dimensions that flowed from openings, to column lines, to overall building size. There is a certain finesse to creating a beautiful set of construction documents that, I'm sad to say, is LOST on the younger generations of computer savvy graduates. Now it's all about pumping out as many drawings as you can to adhere to unrealistic deadlines. The artistic roots of form and layout have been scattered to the winds. Now we hang framed blueprints of drawings on the wall so we can be nostalgic and say, "Remember back when......." 3633096_0-...ded317.jpg 3633096_0-5c34c08ded317.jpg

    David Wigley
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started out like this, it was an art then. CAD drawings are a bit flat but very accurate and now it is 3D and BIM. Still the Engineer is too expensive to drive the PC and draw the designs and now it is also cheaper to do it overseas as well where willit end....

    Mark Sibille
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While CAD, like most automation, is definitely a speed multiplyer, today’s engineers and draughtspersons miss a lot not having trained on paper. The experience with visualization before laying down the first line and planning your work product from the start that were absolutely necessities on paper were extremely valuable to both draughtspersons and engineers (though engineers were notoriously weaker at drafting -saya an engineer). These skills are also valuable in visualizing strain and stress in selection of boundary conditions for FEA -which makes the difference between “pretty pictures” and “pretty pictures that are meaningful”. CAD is a productivity necessity, but training should start on the board.

    Ashraf Tee
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dad was a Cleark of Work working in the site. When I finished my Senior High, my dad ask me what's yr goner do with yr life ? He knows I like to draw so he recommended me to his friend office in a Consultant Engineering firm as a trainee draughtsman. They teach me how to use those drafting pen from 1.0-6.0 on a traching paper than use shaving blade to do amendment. About 2 years I done manual work than came about '95 Autodesk came out with a new revolution of drafting with yr tiny mouse from Release 10 till now LT2013.

    Charles Roig
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember those days. We had to wear ties which would smear our pencil drawings and ruin our ties. It was great exercise. You can tell the old timers from the newbies as the old timers tend to be more hyper. We were used to moving around a lot at our stations and now we all just sit there at our computers. I still love today's technology far better. I have completed many custom homes while away from my home office in Illinois. I work at my notebook on AutoCad in my hotel room in Florida while away for two months; having carried my small computer case on the plane with me. If you think these pictures looked crazy, you should have seen the professional licensing exam when we had the twelve hour design test. We had to bring in our own tables, parallel edges or T-squares, tools and even chairs or stools. Five hundred of us in a large room.

    Charles Roig
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember those days. We had to wear ties; which got rubbed into the pencil drawings; smearing the drawings and ruining our ties. It was great exercise as you moved around quite a bit. You can always tell the older folks still at this as the tend to be more hyper than the younger ones used to sitting down all day. Myself - I much rather have it the way it is today. I am away from Illinois for two months in Florida, completing a custom home in my hotel room on my notebook computer with AutoCad. If you think these pictures look crazy, you should have seen the architect's licensing design exam. A sea of drafting tables, parallel edges or T-squares, tools and even chairs (stools) that we had to bring in ourselves!

    Stephen M. Clark
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to do hand drafting. I loved it. It was an art form. Now my hand shakes so much from MS I can only use AutoCAD.

    Roger Sowers
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked in Civil Engineering for 40 years...started out pencil on vellum/sepia...progressed to ink on linen and them mylar...began working on Intergraph main frame system in Houston in 1981...It was like converting to hyper space...So much more productive and versatile...Changes were almost instantaneous...It was a skill that kept me inspired to stay in the field...Some of the larger eng cos. ridiculously over complicated plan preparation to the point I got burned out...I'm retired but never regretted getting into the field...It was very stimulating ...Pay was good and most companies had good benefits and took care of their employees the drawings to point that production was slowed

    Nyerges Ádám
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's funny. The youngest colleagues of mine doesn't even know how to use AutoCAD... It must have been more romantic, but less productive than design in 3D.

    Lewis Turman
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I took years of drafting and loved it both my older brother and I drafted and still pref Or it .sharpen your pencils

    Kevin Weimer
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    More mistakes were made when Autocad came out than when a person had a large drawing in front of them.

    Mark Miller
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started at the Timken Roller Bearing Company in 1952. Those first couple of photos look very much like the Product Engineering office which had around 170 people working in it, most as draftsmen (later called drafters). The white shirts and narrow ties put those pictures as being in the '60s I would guess. They sure bring back those old days before computers where calculations were done with slide rules or logarithms.

    Tammy Ralph
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder are there more women in the profession now, I could be wrong but I only saw one woman in all those photos.

    Evette Goldstein
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a Design Engineer at Hughes Aircraft Lader Division in the 1970 ~ designed printed circuit boards for the smart bombs we deployed in Gulf War 1 using this advanced technology!

    Cristiano
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The photos is very meaningful to me as a Draftsman in profession. I love this Job from manual drafting to the computer aided era of technical drafting. The photos reminisce me all people who mentored me before.

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    Cristiano
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love my Job as a Draftsman...I'm very thankful to this profession.

    techee mánia
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    may be not only it has saved time but also a lot of effort has been reduced.

    Martin Tenev
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm an architect. I studied architecture at highschool ('98-'03) and university ('03-'09). Back in time - using computers was forbidden to us, students... We drafted everything by hand. It was complete waste of time. Designing is happening in our minds. The pencil or computer are just tools. The better the tools - the faster the project acomplish.

    Shrikant Guthe
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saw this post on linkedin shared by one of the contacts. We at Gsource Technologies work exactly towards reducing the efforts of Land surveyors and architects by providing them Cad drafting services (www.gsourcedata.com). These pics helped to understand how painful and stretching the process was. Thanks to Autocad who has helped to reduce this.

    KiwiME
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It was very interesting to be in the engineering workforce for a few years before and many years after this transition, both in the UK and US. In both countries the initial focus was on drafting rather than design, yet the latter is where the CAD tools really show their worth. But the biggest change was the loss of many jobs - drafters, designers, checkers, and document control. These days the engineer is often asked to do everything.

    Will Bethune
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think I recognized myself in one of those photos! Just kidding but I spent lots of years drafting by hand and I vastly prefer Revit.

    H Adam Holcman
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, studied to be an Architect, drew on 1000H paper with lead pencil pointers then on mylar with plastic lead. Used a Mutoh drafting machine in the mid 60's for a short while to do isometric assembly drawings with gears and clock movements. Still draw and letter by hand sometimes using a 48" parallel rule on my drafting board as well to this day when I have to work on building design and floor plan layout, or detail steel connections, concrete sections or timber truss details;;; some how, I still can't talk without a pencil.

    Jack Rosebery
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started this way and I did hand drafting until 1994. Then AutoCAD and the late nights started to happen. Wasn't computers supposed to reduce paper? Years later an office I worked in designed the same building in a shopping center 3 times one in 1984, one in 1997 and the final building in 2007. The first building was done on 6 sheets. The second building was 21 sheets in AutoCAD. The final building was 31 sheets, and the contractor screwed up the trusses because he couldn't be bothered to verify the dimensional height, because it had to be "on the drawings". Most of the extra sheets now are c**p because it is to cover the inspectors rear end. Hand drawing was easier, faster and it forced contractors to learn to build.

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    Justin Vivian
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started my career as a draughtsman and absolutely loved it. Worked on some fantastic projects, got to see some incredible buildings and earned a technical grounding which has served me well. If there was one thing i dont miss and CAD changed instantly for the better, it was standing in front of an ammonia copier for hours, making up copies for issue and choking on the fumes!!

    Ramesh Iyer
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started my carrier as manual draftsman and i was terrible in that, if AutoCAD did not came on time I would have out of this industry :D 28 yrs and I survived :D

    Des Adams
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Those were the days when it was done proper! sat at your board, waiting for the chief draughtsman to come round and hassle you but the feeling of satisfaction when offering your work to the workshop down stairs and getting it made was something else.......

    Kate Hallberg
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In 1979 I took a single high school level drafting class to fill a hole in my schedule. I loved it and caught on immediately. Unfortunately it took me away from the sciences and into "trades" at my pos high school and I was not welcome. Making matters worse, a sociopath by the name of Jeff Dame, who'd spent years bullying me, was in the class and attempted to sabotage my work. Remember when serious arrest-worthy bullying was ignored because it was just a school thing? I was so pleased with my drawings I hung on to them for a long time and now I take for granted what I learned in that class. I've designed clothing and have done paper crafting that'd be nuts to figure out without it … and I see people doing it. Trying.

    SAF saf
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    GoodRidance....The old way of producing prints was too time consuming and inefficient. I get it, it's fun and relaxing to draw sometimes but is CAD programs make things much easier, fast and efficient.

    D L C
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Plus, we can ship American jobs over to India & China. Do it all up in the cloud.

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    Spencer N/A
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Autocad is so s**t, you literally can't do anything on it. Not to mention the cost, it's literally an arm and a leg to get it if you aren't part of a well financed business. Not to mention that all the people at boredpanda don't realise that this is s****y reddit, and that practically everyone here has skin the thickness of paper (alpha radiation)

    Octavia Hansen
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Guess at this time, all the women supplied the coffee . . . On a different note, the designs were better. Now it's glass and steel, no eye candy, no architectural feast for the eyes.

    RockBottom
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    Back when men were men. And women were woman. Now?

    Bob Beltcher
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My father worked as a draftsman as a subcontractor for NASA in Houston. I remember spending the summers helping him organize D and E size paper. When I was a freshman in high school I took a draftsman course and designed my own house. 20 years later I still have my finished blue prints which I scored a 99 on (chimney was off a foot on the plot plan). I will build that house one day.

    Natalie C
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been a graphic designer for almost 40 years and that's how we use to work. Lots of changes since then, but the most life-changing thing is that now it is super expensive to ply my trade. Use to be I just needed an exacto blade and a few pens and pencils. Nowadays, my equipment and programs are expensive and need to be constantly upgraded.

    Mark Grudzinski
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hear you! I miss the craft aspect of design... working with my hands and not having to rely on the latest software.

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    cpd228
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started out as a draftsman in Oak Ridge, TN in 1969 and was proud to have worked on the Apollo Lunar Sample Return Container (Moon Box) which was designed and built at my plant. I got to watch the evolution of drafting well past what is shown in the photos. Hand drawing was a craft and I admired so many older co-workers and their skills. Fond memories!

    Mark Hofreiter
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked in offices not unlike those above! We smoked too! Yikes!! On linen, velum and Mylar. Ink, pencil and plastic leads. T-squares and so-called drafting machines. These years were 1974 through 1979 and then I found a job with the first architect in a large southeastern city with the first CAD program (Autotrol) run on Sperry Univac mainframes and Tekronix green screen screen work stations. Am now working in 3D in Revit. It has been an amazing ride.

    tednugentlives
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ever had an engineer set a coffee mug on a drawing you just finished. The ring of shame. Aarrrrrrrgh!

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    Bill
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If US went to the moon with slide rulers and 8bit processing power imagine where we could be if we didn't focus on war for the past 50 years?

    Katie and Jared Coates
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well Japan and Germany are good examples. They turned around and focused on technology and education.

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    Joanne Wright
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, I spotted only two women in total in all of these photos, and I had to look hard to find them. That is as big a change to the industry as the computerization, how successfully women have moved into the field.

    OrthoDude
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And of course, they were all men, except for one trailblazing woman in the last picture.

    Kenny Kulbiski
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saw a documentary last night about designing the Concord airplane. There were literally thousands of engineers and draftsmen drawing things. I can't imagine how they kept it all straight.

    diane a
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    6 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once had an old industrial drawing board from around the 1950's. Got it from the factory where I worked when they turned to CAD in the early 90's. Cast iron stand, 5ft by 4ft drawing surface made of hardwood, ajustable from flat to completely upright with all the rulers and things on wires. Seriously heavy duty.

    Rb Marcino
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Still have my Dad's Drafting Table in my Graphics studio. He was a Mechanical Electrical Engineer in Philly who was a treasure to learn from growing up. The best was when he had offices in the Art Museum.

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    Catherine Spencer-Mills
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dad worked for the BLM in the early 60s he would bring home his work occasionally. I wanted to take shop classes (1964) and was told "no girls." When I asked why, they said I might get hurt. "Even drafting?" No, not allowed. Funny, because when I went to college in 1969 majoring in engineering, drafting was required. So I'm taking this class, the only female, left-handed, and no prior experience - unlike the guys. The irony was not lost on me. I did manage to pull an A.

    Kevin Camp
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have made that transformation in the last 35 years in manufacturing, from a drawing board, to 2D comuter drafting to 3d modeling. Soemtimes I miss the accomplishment of making an E sized drawing with multiple detail views and sections and have it look like a piece of art.

    birdhouse
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Back before they sucked out all of the fun in drafting and architecture.

    spirit wolf
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my design school we still work like this exactly. We spend freshmen and sophomore year hand drafting and still continue to hand draft to this day.

    Christopher Gosnell
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have actually laid on my belly drawing curves using a spline and 'ducks' like one of the pictures. My father started drafting at link-belt in Chicago. He would tell me that you didn't get your first pay raise until your lettering looked acceptable and everyone's was the same.

    Shane Chang
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm married to an architect, he got home at 4am the other morning... that's using autoCAD.

    B
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Man, I remember learning architectural drawing on one of those huge drawing tables. They were actually brilliant to use. And I also remember first learning Photoshop (version 2 or something) back in the mid 90s. Doesn't seem so long ago. Damn, I feel old.

    Greg Osborne
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn't go to art school until I was in my early thirties. That was 86 or 87. Had 12 weeks of Aldus Pagemaker on a PC. Graduated in 89 at the beginning of the Digital Revolution. Most places were either just starting to transition from the old ways or still firmly entrenched in them. One of my first jobs was in the art department of a major retailer. I worked on a drafting table doing marker layouts and photo retouching (Paasche AB!). I think there were computers in accounting but there was nary a one in the art department. There was not a single sign of change when they went out of business in 93. The higher ups were running through the halls in a panic! I almost left the business at that point because I just did not want to go back to school for computers. I worked at a few more places that were still languishing in the stone age but could see the writing on the wall: Change with the times or get out. Finally went back to school. First day in Photoshop, it was like a duck to water!

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    Alusair Alustriel
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My parents both were designing machine parts on huge boards by drawing. They met and fell in love at work. After some years a change came and orders from the East stopped coming (mind you it was around 80s). So the company (which funny thing, exists up till this day) started reducing the staff. This way my father became unemployed and my mom got a choice between bein guneployed and taking up a broom and cleaning toilets at the place. Having a small kid they had little choice. The perconal computers were not available to learn CAD and alike. So from a wonderful inspoiring job they had their life broken pretty much. Just another das story of a really bad timing with age of employers and technical development.

    Mimi
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This looks so much more sensual and fulfilling to me. Wonderful! Men with ties laying on huge drawings. And no customer from hell saying come on, it's just a few clicks, mail it tonight. Not everything was better - but definitely some!

    Aunt Messy
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband still works this way for our house project. He's having fun with it.

    Misterscooter
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are cool photos. Romantic, even. I especially love the 'floating' desks to maximize space.

    DotC
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In Junior High (Middle School), non artist kids filled up my art classes so I ended up in drafting and shop classes. I learned some pretty cool things that were still art. By high school, I got back into commercial art classes and I had some good skills the other art students didn't have.

    Matthieu Bout
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Back in those days you needed a little more time, but nowadays, you need a lot of money with the expensive programs, computers and upgrades. The speed went up, but with that also the pressure and stress. Are we better of now?

    Si
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The people who designed every aspect of our environment. No wonder it works best for white males.

    noitall man
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Alternate titles: "Pics of minorities and all their rights back in the day" "White Dudes!" 'Woman takes picture of man, then is told to go home to kids!"

    Jeff__Coon
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The company I work for was founded in 1897, and as we move into solidworks I find myself hoarding some of the oldest paper drawings and glass sides when I run across them. It really is art. I honest don't think I have the skill to do that kind of work anymore.

    Alfonso Quilala Jr
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    During those times, project lasts 5 to 10 years! When the project starts, you can decide to buy a new car and will be able to pay until the project ends.

    Eric Forster
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the Eighties, I worked for a civil engineering firm. I did plans and profiles in ink on mylar. We had two computers. One was for our secretary, the other (a Kaypro 2) was used to log the inventory numbers for our drawings.

    Brian Freed
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And of course nothing like finishing an inked drawing and " Brian we have a modification to make" Auto-Cad made mods and repetive items s breeze. I adapted to Auto-cad like a duck to water. As I type this comment I am looking at my antique slide rule and Swiss made drafting instruments. Havent touched them in 38 years. I willadmit to splurding on a 36" monitor

    Eddie77
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many minds working at the same time concentrated trying to perform their best effort.

    Karen Sehi
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was the first woman in my high school to take drafting in 1975. I ended up working in Engineering when IBM's CADRA came out. We were a contractor working for GM and GM was requiring all the contractors to go to CAD. None of the older guys wanted to give up manual drafting so I was the first person trained in CAD at our company. When the layoffs started, I was the youngest person kept on the longest before the Manager made his buddies learn CAD so he didn't have to lay them off. As soon as they were trained, I was let go. A week later I had a job paying $8,000 grand more because of my CAD skills. I was also asked to be a CAD Trainer after my shift so for four hours in the evenings they paid me time and a half for a year.

    Harry Gregory
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well I started on the board back in 76 being a contract mercenary. I worked on everything from electrical contractual, Nuclear power plant, Oil pipeline company, Power station construction, Gas station reconstruction, redesigning workflow for FAA complaint company, In my travels I had to use the board, VersaCAD, AutoCAD, Autodesk Inventor, SolidWorks CADKey, MicroStation, ProEngineer, and I am now using NX. It has been quite a ride and it is not over yet.

    Brigitta Swart
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep, that was me 30 years ago. Lying on the middle of the draughting table doing my thing. (Drawing) lol

    Doug McAbee
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's what my dad did. He loved being a draughtsman. He hauled us all to Marrietta Georgia so he could draw for Lockheed making the first-ever 747. Also Phoenix working for Goodyear Aerospace, and New Mexico working for an unnamed employer... I remember the big table he worked off at home when he was moonlighting. We helped with the very simple stuff. He ended up retiring early to avoid learning AutoCAD, though at the time he was designing computer parts.

    Parag Pendharkar
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have witnessed this journey From 1982 to 1992 Drafting board. 1992- Autocad 2, 1994 Onwards Pro/Engineer (Now CREO)

    Ali Eleam
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well so much for photos of talented women workers - thank for absolutely nothing applicable to 1/2 your audience!

    Jessica Schmitt
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m a woman and love seeing these pics... it was a mans industry back then, so what... doesn’t bother me...these men were talented..I can appreciate that

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    Santi Cortes
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I work as a draftsman now and to me it’s the worst experience ever. It’s been only 4 months and can’t wait to dump cad to the trash can haha. How can people “have fun” using autocad. Please explain!

    Pretty Pangolin
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Love the ones who are literally lying on their work - while formally dressed!

    Marcia Breen
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My naval architect husband calls this "PencilCAD" he still does all his design and engineering drawings by hand. I quite envy his non-reliance on IT!

    Ferdinand Bogman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    History repeats. In the near future we will have touchscreens as large as those desks...

    Robert Chrusciel
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You could do it all by yourself. Plot the property line coordinates to catch the surveyor's error using a 1974-era hand calculation costing $100 in 1974 dollars. Plot coordinates of the column line grid. Do it in ink so you eliminate the pencil smudge. It would all come within half a foot at 40 scale. Now erasing...that was annoying.

    Scott Roth
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Still design by hand with white trace, markers, etc....have a 48" straightedge on my "drafting board"with a flat screen and AutoCAd/Sketchup in front of me. Using all generations I was trained with!

    Zet
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "back in my days finding a job was so easy, the youth of today is so lazy" welllll tell me more about computers taking away your jobs minimizing work effort, so that 1 person can do the job of 5 but gets still payed like 1 instead of having a better salary. tell me more about how nowadays you not only have to understand how a computers work but always need to be updated with the newest programs and apps to keep on track or you fall trough the grid of society.. tell me more about how less people there were 60 years ago. these pictures make me really sad..

    Mike Driskill
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't just remember, I lived it! I loved hand drawing, and became an architect cuz I like to draw, not cuz I like to push buttons. I took pride in being literally "hands one" and crafting a nice sheet. But one has to admit that what you can do with a drawing these days is pretty amazing, too, far beyond anything we imagined then. That first photo is a great illustration of why architects still refer to busy times as, "a**holes and elbows." That's mostly what you saw when you walked into the room, LOL...!

    Mike Driskill
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Remember, heck I lived it! I became an architect cuz I liked to draw, not cuz I was good at pushing buttons. That first photo is great. It perfectly illustrates why architects still refer to busy times as being "a**holes and elbows," LOL... that's about all you saw when you walked into the room!

    Warren Smith
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep, that was how it was done when I started in the '70s. The fun part was in the '80s when the CAD guys would try to keep up with us in the first submittal phase. They would laugh at us at revision time when we were busy with our electric erasers, and they were click, click, click and done.

    Haydn Shaughnessy
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People standing up to do their work, looking pretty fit and healthy. We have come a long way but as the economist Victor Keegan once said, some of it is progress in a backwards direction.

    Thomas Es Thomas
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a lot more Efficient than using the computer. Rulers and pencils allow you to correct costly mistakes on the fly. Also it doesn't take $30,000 of electronics to design a building or a road. I can make a sketch of an intersection in fifteen minutes. With CAD it takes about two hours and there's actually very little you can do with it. God does not draw with straight lines and neither should you.

    Tarun Rohilla
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh man! I remember my UG project was completed in Auto cad, what will happen if Auto Cad is not there!

    Doc Thissen
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to draft with AutoCAD, but my company (a very large company - some 10k employees) decided this was a waste of my time and created a special department just for AutoCAD drafting. They offered me a position on condition that I move. I turned down the offer. Today, I have to draft out my designs by hand, on graph paper to... wait for it... send to the specialized department. Gotta love corporate America!

    Nestor Geslani
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah I remember those days, everyone wore a tie too and a lot were smoking which would sometimes burn a hole on the paper! And of course when there was a change (and there were a lot) you have to rubbed them off until you create again a hole! And boy did it take so lo-o-o-ng to finish a drawing. But it was fun for sure and a lot of pride in our work. That really separated the good ones from the mediocre to the bad ones.

    Abhinav Dhar
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was life in our first year of UnderGrad too, 2012, and surely still the same. Only for teaching though.

    Dwight Beasley
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You had a board, paper, pencils, pens and erasers. That setup probably cost a few hundred. Autocad and Revit each cost thousands and now Autodesk is pushing for a monthly subscription. I'd say the disadvantage was printing from paper. Doing blueprints was messy with having to handle bottles of chemicals and trying to line up the copies exactly. Fun times.

    Diver Driver
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Coolest part of Auburn Cord museum are the sepia drawings. the detail of the wiper assembly is awesome. Today our drafters on CAD can't see a foot of interference!

    Syuzanna Avetisyan
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve had such a good experience using CMS IntelliCAD and find it to be one of the best CAD software out there. It was so easy for me to start working with it as it offers all the CAD tools that I am already familiar with. I got a free trial right upon registration. It was great as I was able to work with the software to understand whether it’s worth it, and the special offer by CMS came as a nice surprise. Definitely recommended on my part!

    NeverGoWoke
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Technology can be amazing and it makes jobs a lot easier but it's sad to see so many men saying they still prefer drawing their designs, instead of using AutoCAD software.

    NeverGoWoke
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It seems technology cannot fix everything, it sometimes sucks the fundamental joy out of work and even makes work more complicated (especially with so many patches and upgrades to install).

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    R PLobo
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You really need a side by side comparison of what an office looks like now. These archive photos also represent large scale projects and bigger offices so the point seems to be how much more efficient and less cumbersome we are now. Quite the opposite.A drawing set for an office or residential tower from the 1960s is a fraction of the size of what is being pumped out today. I speak from way to much experience in autocad hell. Also autocad has co-opted drafting - look at the cost of a license - architecture is a race to the bottom.

    Scott Vaughan
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I graduated NCSU School of Design in 1992. The industry had gone mostly AutoCAD by that point, but NCSU was at least 5 years behind the times. I should have gone and taken some AutoCAD classes at the local community college, but by that point I was just DONE. Now I work win clinical drug development with my design degree! :-/

    David Hawkins
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    4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the coolest things this brings to mind was the Naval Officers School in the early part of the 20th century. I recently read the biography of Robert Heinlein, and he tells of one of the duties of a new midshipman on every ship. They were required to keep notebooks and draw all the fittings for every element of the ship they came across. So each ship you manned meant a set of books dedicated to that ship. You might not have the opportunity to draw the entire ship, but what competence that must have brought to the crew! I wonder if there is anything like that going on today.

    Gary Tootell
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to draw little spiders webs on the slow Draughtsmans drawings.. :)

    Jean Anne Gorman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Great photos but where are the women I started drafting 45+ years ago on the board and started using Auto CAD in 1986 it was a brilliant career I have just retired

    vonniè Debellotte
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's how they did it. We devoted a whole floor to it. Amazing how technology has evolved in such a short period of time.

    Michael Fornetti
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked at Ford Motor Co back in 1969 as a student engineer. We had just switched to 3 D coordinate system and had just started testing computer aided manufacturing 3D machines,. I recall my group leader saying , when looking over the engine drafting room with ~ 100 designers, checkers and detailers in it that this all goes away many years from now.

    Alan White
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I began working in the design office in an electrical/mechanical engineering company in South London in 1960 aged 15. By 22 I was working in Boston USA. By 24 I was married and working for UOP in Chicago and by 26 I was in Sines in Portugal working on the grass roots Sines refinery as a piping field engineer. By 29 I was back in London working on huge North Sea oil production platform in the Norwegian sector. In 1978 I moved to Oslo Norway working on the topsides designs of the Stafjiord B platform. In 1981 I moved to Perth Australia where I worked for the next 33 years in the Oil and Gas and resources sector. I started my own engineering design company in 1984 and built it into a very successful business. I moved back to Europe in 2012 and settled in Belgium. I am still working full time at the age of 74 on several tech start-ups and travel extensively around the world advising on tech. I plan on maybe retiring in around 2040. A wonderful career.

    Chris Riley
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    that is the time when we could smoke crack, work, and not screw up the computer.

    Bobita Bobita
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No idea why thousands of people should work in the same room just because there is no Autocad yet. :))))

    Dale Mason
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The USS Missouri Battleship was designed, built and sailed in 39 months, most of it designed on the fly as it was being built. An equivalent ship today takes 3-5 years of design and another 3-5 years to build so have we progressed?

    Dale Mason
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The USS Missouri was designed, built and sailed in 39 months, most of it was designed on the fly while being built and today and equivalent with CAD would 5 years to design alone and another 4 to build so have we progressed?

    Joe Zach
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Looks interesting especially lying on the floor. Worked as a Draftsman in Tata Motors using the drafting board and then using Pro Engineering software. Autocad was never used by our company- Joe Zach.

    Lee Painter
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Of these photos, I find the issue of equality more intriguing. Change the article header from 'People' to 'White Males'.

    Petrica Podbadalo
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These people have built the world we live in today, and today we don't even get to live off the amount of work we have to do. Where is the progress?

    tednugentlives
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked my first drafting job in 1988 on the board. I did revisions on a few drawings on rag from the 1930s. They were amazing. the drawig skill was way beyond the latter generations.

    tednugentlives
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Like if you remember how awful the templates smelled or if you know what pounce is. (not from cat either)

    Adrian Morley
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a Boilermaker and all the drawing we worked to were much simpler than they are today but the tradesman at the time were taught how to read them and knew what they were doing but as a cad jokey, today I must take my hat off to them all

    Vincent Greenhalgh
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's much more convenient to be able to carry a laptop around and make adjustments on the spur of the moment using cad.

    Jeff Hornsey
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Drawings which were all my own design had my full signature in the bottom right corner. Those which were altered under instruction from above just had my initials. I don't think the boss ever noticed !

    Najib Maan
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to work in an open plan drawing office for a large house builder with a name similar to famous burger outlet.........wow things have changed but I’m still detailing by hand on my A1 size drawing board at home/office.......

    Ken Clark
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started as a draftsman in the early 80's drawing with pencil on vellum, the plastic lead on mylar. It was fun and every draftsman had a style, and we all worked on our penmanship. What is still true today is that if you created sloppy drawings when drawn by hand, AutoCAD doesn't fix bad habits.

    Mark Demmerle
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I drafted by hand, e leads on mylar, while working at Roche Dinkeloo Associates in the 1980's. It was a terrific experience especially when 40 of us devoted our energies to producing the bid sets. It was quite remarkable how well coordinated 100 plus sheets (30"x 60") were and, how beautiful these hand drawn sets really are.

    Daniel Gallardo
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had the pleasure of training with a steel detailer that had years of experience in this craft and he would tell me how he hated AUTOCAD and would tell me that todays details, "don't hold water". I started my career using scales, utensils, graph sheets and old ammonia plotter and I can see how "copy & paste" style is lacking.

    hashem roshanaie
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When our kids in the future would look back to the way we currently deal with architects, they will find it more funny than what we feel about our parents' ways before autocad!

    Sudarshan Arampathan
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m sure productivity and quality was much better back then. Because people were to work on “one thing at a time”. With the intervention of computers, to an extent people are expected to work on multiple tasks side by side. We draw in cad, make a 3d model, edit images in photoshop, prepare presentation in Indesign/PowerPoint.... all side by side. Pretending to be superhumans. And none care for quality.Oh, btw, responding to mails and pop ups on phones not to be ignored 😄

    Jamil Tayyab
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is really amazing. Always sharing useful info for us. I have been following you for a long time. I also have a small blog similar to you. Feel free to visit 20 AutoCAD Commands to Speed Up Your Performance I will be happy to hear back from you too.

    David Burnett
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes I remember it well. I enjoyed both manual drafting and especially Catia V5. I still have all my tools and try to do all my drawing at home with them.

    John Belanger
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was trained in drafting in the late 70's and I had had a true sense of the scale I was drawing with , whether it was 1//8", 1/4" or half scale. Now drawing on Autocad I am constantly zooming in and out not sure what scale I was drawing with. Drawing on the board gave me a more sense of accomplishment when I was finished I had my own style of lettering and no one could take that away from me. I often wonder if anybody are still using the drawings I drew so many years ago.

    H Adam Holcman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes folks, this is really how it was. I started working as a draftsman in the mid 60's, while in college, studying to become an architect and a structural engineer.... Back then we all used regular H or 2H graphite led, with lead holders, (mechanical pencils) that had to be constantly sharpened in a circular Bruning lead pointer, on 1000H Velum clearprint paper.... We used "Parallel Rules" mounted on the drafting boards with steel wires, and/or Mutoh "Drafting Machines" with 18" plastic scales, mounted on top of our drafting boards.... We drew all the plans, details, perspectives and isometrics by hand, with plastic triangles, parallel rules and drafting machines.... At several of my early jobs I remember having to draw with India Ink on "cloth", because they were runnig thousands of blueprint copies from my originals.

    H Adam Holcman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the mid to late 70's I, along with many others, switched over from graphite lead pencils and started drawing with plastic polymer lead from Pentel, in their new 0.7mm and 0.9mm pencil lead holders, on "Mylar" (plastic) sheets. This was a big improvement; no more graphite lead all over the fingers, white shirts and pants..... Like most people today, I use computers for all my work now, but occasionally I still draw some building plans and details for concrete timber and steel by hand, with my own old drafting board and parallel rule, which I still have in my office.☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️

    H Adam Holcman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes folks, this is really how it was. I started working as a draftsman in the mid 60's, while in college, studying to become an architect and a structural engineer.... Back then we all used regular H or 2H graphite led, with lead holders, (mechanical pencils) that had to be constantly sharpened in a circular Bruning lead pointer, on 1000H Velum clearprint paper.... We used "Parallel Rules" mounted on the drafting boards with steel wires, and/or Mutoh "Drafting Machines" with 18" plastic scales, mounted on top of our drafting boards.... We drew all the plans, details, perspectives and isometrics by hand, with plastic triangles, parallel rules and drafting machines.... At several of my early jobs I remember having to draw with India Ink on "cloth", because they were runnig thousands of blueprint copies from my originals.... In the mid to late 70's I, along with many others, switched over from graphite lead pencils and started drawing with plastic polymer lead from Pentel, in their new 0.

    Curtis Szymczyk
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Very interesting pictures. I got into the business back in 1973, so I can relate. The drawings back then we're so artistic. Much more thought was put into the design before the graphite was put to the paper; just hated to erase. With all this fancy design software, a designer can knock out an entire unit very quickly without any solid information. Then when the information arrives on the equipment, the changes are that more difficult because you have to work around a lot. Much time is wasted and the client gets a sloppy design at the end of the day.

    Aakash Sharma
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One could call it an evolution in the AEC space. Technology is all about a medium to ease your job, save resources and increase productivity along with efficiency. TREZI is the future in the AEC industry now. www.trezi.com

    Jeff Casper
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Born in 1977 I barely caught the end of paper and pencil fundamentals of drafting instruction in community college. The classes after those were AutoCAD classes. I also had a job as Drafter I on Selfridge Air Force base after high school. I had a big drafting table in my office with the classic light green soft laminate top. I had a computer in that same office with AutoCAD R12 on it. It was a DOS version so there were no toolbars, only hot key commands. I still use those hot key commands every day at work with the latest AutoCAD releases.

    Bill Martinez
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started in the early 70s with a drafting machine mounted on a drafting board. High tech then was when you were one of the few that had an electric eraser. The idea was never to put more lines down in the morning than you could erase in the afternoon; well, at least it seemed that way some times. Calculators were relatively new, and computers were non-existent in the engineering room. The latest design software I used was Autodesk Inventor and SolidWorks; it's like magic compared to what I started with. I wonder what we will have 20 years from now.

    Mike Boehm
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started designing when CAD was already a thing but would much prefer a pencil and paper!

    Robert Trenn
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having lived through the changes from "Graphite Cad" to present day, reminds of the bittersweet changes technology brings. The drafting room where social bonds and lifelong friendships were formed will be greatly missed but is offset by improved space utilization along with efficient dispatch of data to all corners of the world today. Will fondly remember the good old days.....

    Mark Hinckley
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As an individual who learned traditional board drafting skills in high school and college and went thru the industry wide transition to computer driven design, I consider myself extremely LUCKY. Why? As many here have stated, drafting was an artform. It took skill to be able to look at what needed to be put to paper and positioned so you only had to draw it once. Proper placement of notes, aligned so they were easy to follow, to read. Dimensions that flowed from openings, to column lines, to overall building size. There is a certain finesse to creating a beautiful set of construction documents that, I'm sad to say, is LOST on the younger generations of computer savvy graduates. Now it's all about pumping out as many drawings as you can to adhere to unrealistic deadlines. The artistic roots of form and layout have been scattered to the winds. Now we hang framed blueprints of drawings on the wall so we can be nostalgic and say, "Remember back when......." 3633096_0-...ded317.jpg 3633096_0-5c34c08ded317.jpg

    David Wigley
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started out like this, it was an art then. CAD drawings are a bit flat but very accurate and now it is 3D and BIM. Still the Engineer is too expensive to drive the PC and draw the designs and now it is also cheaper to do it overseas as well where willit end....

    Mark Sibille
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While CAD, like most automation, is definitely a speed multiplyer, today’s engineers and draughtspersons miss a lot not having trained on paper. The experience with visualization before laying down the first line and planning your work product from the start that were absolutely necessities on paper were extremely valuable to both draughtspersons and engineers (though engineers were notoriously weaker at drafting -saya an engineer). These skills are also valuable in visualizing strain and stress in selection of boundary conditions for FEA -which makes the difference between “pretty pictures” and “pretty pictures that are meaningful”. CAD is a productivity necessity, but training should start on the board.

    Ashraf Tee
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dad was a Cleark of Work working in the site. When I finished my Senior High, my dad ask me what's yr goner do with yr life ? He knows I like to draw so he recommended me to his friend office in a Consultant Engineering firm as a trainee draughtsman. They teach me how to use those drafting pen from 1.0-6.0 on a traching paper than use shaving blade to do amendment. About 2 years I done manual work than came about '95 Autodesk came out with a new revolution of drafting with yr tiny mouse from Release 10 till now LT2013.

    Charles Roig
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember those days. We had to wear ties which would smear our pencil drawings and ruin our ties. It was great exercise. You can tell the old timers from the newbies as the old timers tend to be more hyper. We were used to moving around a lot at our stations and now we all just sit there at our computers. I still love today's technology far better. I have completed many custom homes while away from my home office in Illinois. I work at my notebook on AutoCad in my hotel room in Florida while away for two months; having carried my small computer case on the plane with me. If you think these pictures looked crazy, you should have seen the professional licensing exam when we had the twelve hour design test. We had to bring in our own tables, parallel edges or T-squares, tools and even chairs or stools. Five hundred of us in a large room.

    Charles Roig
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember those days. We had to wear ties; which got rubbed into the pencil drawings; smearing the drawings and ruining our ties. It was great exercise as you moved around quite a bit. You can always tell the older folks still at this as the tend to be more hyper than the younger ones used to sitting down all day. Myself - I much rather have it the way it is today. I am away from Illinois for two months in Florida, completing a custom home in my hotel room on my notebook computer with AutoCad. If you think these pictures look crazy, you should have seen the architect's licensing design exam. A sea of drafting tables, parallel edges or T-squares, tools and even chairs (stools) that we had to bring in ourselves!

    Stephen M. Clark
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to do hand drafting. I loved it. It was an art form. Now my hand shakes so much from MS I can only use AutoCAD.

    Roger Sowers
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked in Civil Engineering for 40 years...started out pencil on vellum/sepia...progressed to ink on linen and them mylar...began working on Intergraph main frame system in Houston in 1981...It was like converting to hyper space...So much more productive and versatile...Changes were almost instantaneous...It was a skill that kept me inspired to stay in the field...Some of the larger eng cos. ridiculously over complicated plan preparation to the point I got burned out...I'm retired but never regretted getting into the field...It was very stimulating ...Pay was good and most companies had good benefits and took care of their employees the drawings to point that production was slowed

    Nyerges Ádám
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's funny. The youngest colleagues of mine doesn't even know how to use AutoCAD... It must have been more romantic, but less productive than design in 3D.

    Lewis Turman
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I took years of drafting and loved it both my older brother and I drafted and still pref Or it .sharpen your pencils

    Kevin Weimer
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    More mistakes were made when Autocad came out than when a person had a large drawing in front of them.

    Mark Miller
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started at the Timken Roller Bearing Company in 1952. Those first couple of photos look very much like the Product Engineering office which had around 170 people working in it, most as draftsmen (later called drafters). The white shirts and narrow ties put those pictures as being in the '60s I would guess. They sure bring back those old days before computers where calculations were done with slide rules or logarithms.

    Tammy Ralph
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder are there more women in the profession now, I could be wrong but I only saw one woman in all those photos.

    Evette Goldstein
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a Design Engineer at Hughes Aircraft Lader Division in the 1970 ~ designed printed circuit boards for the smart bombs we deployed in Gulf War 1 using this advanced technology!

    Cristiano
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The photos is very meaningful to me as a Draftsman in profession. I love this Job from manual drafting to the computer aided era of technical drafting. The photos reminisce me all people who mentored me before.

    Cristiano
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    Cristiano
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love my Job as a Draftsman...I'm very thankful to this profession.

    techee mánia
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    may be not only it has saved time but also a lot of effort has been reduced.

    Martin Tenev
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm an architect. I studied architecture at highschool ('98-'03) and university ('03-'09). Back in time - using computers was forbidden to us, students... We drafted everything by hand. It was complete waste of time. Designing is happening in our minds. The pencil or computer are just tools. The better the tools - the faster the project acomplish.

    Shrikant Guthe
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saw this post on linkedin shared by one of the contacts. We at Gsource Technologies work exactly towards reducing the efforts of Land surveyors and architects by providing them Cad drafting services (www.gsourcedata.com). These pics helped to understand how painful and stretching the process was. Thanks to Autocad who has helped to reduce this.

    KiwiME
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It was very interesting to be in the engineering workforce for a few years before and many years after this transition, both in the UK and US. In both countries the initial focus was on drafting rather than design, yet the latter is where the CAD tools really show their worth. But the biggest change was the loss of many jobs - drafters, designers, checkers, and document control. These days the engineer is often asked to do everything.

    Will Bethune
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think I recognized myself in one of those photos! Just kidding but I spent lots of years drafting by hand and I vastly prefer Revit.

    H Adam Holcman
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, studied to be an Architect, drew on 1000H paper with lead pencil pointers then on mylar with plastic lead. Used a Mutoh drafting machine in the mid 60's for a short while to do isometric assembly drawings with gears and clock movements. Still draw and letter by hand sometimes using a 48" parallel rule on my drafting board as well to this day when I have to work on building design and floor plan layout, or detail steel connections, concrete sections or timber truss details;;; some how, I still can't talk without a pencil.

    Jack Rosebery
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started this way and I did hand drafting until 1994. Then AutoCAD and the late nights started to happen. Wasn't computers supposed to reduce paper? Years later an office I worked in designed the same building in a shopping center 3 times one in 1984, one in 1997 and the final building in 2007. The first building was done on 6 sheets. The second building was 21 sheets in AutoCAD. The final building was 31 sheets, and the contractor screwed up the trusses because he couldn't be bothered to verify the dimensional height, because it had to be "on the drawings". Most of the extra sheets now are c**p because it is to cover the inspectors rear end. Hand drawing was easier, faster and it forced contractors to learn to build.

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    Justin Vivian
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started my career as a draughtsman and absolutely loved it. Worked on some fantastic projects, got to see some incredible buildings and earned a technical grounding which has served me well. If there was one thing i dont miss and CAD changed instantly for the better, it was standing in front of an ammonia copier for hours, making up copies for issue and choking on the fumes!!

    Ramesh Iyer
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started my carrier as manual draftsman and i was terrible in that, if AutoCAD did not came on time I would have out of this industry :D 28 yrs and I survived :D

    Des Adams
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Those were the days when it was done proper! sat at your board, waiting for the chief draughtsman to come round and hassle you but the feeling of satisfaction when offering your work to the workshop down stairs and getting it made was something else.......

    Kate Hallberg
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In 1979 I took a single high school level drafting class to fill a hole in my schedule. I loved it and caught on immediately. Unfortunately it took me away from the sciences and into "trades" at my pos high school and I was not welcome. Making matters worse, a sociopath by the name of Jeff Dame, who'd spent years bullying me, was in the class and attempted to sabotage my work. Remember when serious arrest-worthy bullying was ignored because it was just a school thing? I was so pleased with my drawings I hung on to them for a long time and now I take for granted what I learned in that class. I've designed clothing and have done paper crafting that'd be nuts to figure out without it … and I see people doing it. Trying.

    SAF saf
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    GoodRidance....The old way of producing prints was too time consuming and inefficient. I get it, it's fun and relaxing to draw sometimes but is CAD programs make things much easier, fast and efficient.

    D L C
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Plus, we can ship American jobs over to India & China. Do it all up in the cloud.

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    Spencer N/A
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Autocad is so s**t, you literally can't do anything on it. Not to mention the cost, it's literally an arm and a leg to get it if you aren't part of a well financed business. Not to mention that all the people at boredpanda don't realise that this is s****y reddit, and that practically everyone here has skin the thickness of paper (alpha radiation)

    Octavia Hansen
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Guess at this time, all the women supplied the coffee . . . On a different note, the designs were better. Now it's glass and steel, no eye candy, no architectural feast for the eyes.

    RockBottom
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