Man Asks Vaccinated People How They Feel About ‘Excluding’ The Unvaccinated – 33 People Give Honest Answers
After Covid-19 caused extraordinarily intrusive and expensive lockdowns, the so-called vaccine passports are increasingly seen as something that could get us out of them. Decision-makers and gatekeepers, including border guards and maître d's, are learning how to know who can safely engage with others. However, this solution has raised some questions. Some believe it's even discriminatory.
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James Waterson from Alberta, Canada, is one of them. However, Waterson recently decided to explore this topic deeper, so he made a tweet, saying: "Hello Vaxxed people. Honest question here (as I fully support your decision to get vaxxed), how do you feel when showing your vaxx passport knowing it excludes people? [sic]"
And the most amazing thing happened. I don't know, maybe it was the wording that he chose, but James managed to get Twitter together to have a civilized discussion. Well, at least for the most part. His question got plenty of answers, and we thought it would be a good idea to share them with you. After all, you're probably going to have this discussion with someone too.
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More than 3.76 billion people worldwide have received a dose of a Covid-19 vaccine, which equates to about 49 percent of the population.
General practitioner, medical researcher, and founder of PrimeHealth Clinical Research, Iris Gorfinkel, M.D., told Bored Panda that 50% is an incredibly exciting number that just a year ago would have seemed virtually impossible.
"Now that we have arrived at almost the impossible, it's tempting to let our guard down, to let go of mitigation, to let go of masks and social distancing, to forget high-end hygiene. But there's a serious problem with that. And that's delta," Gorfinkel said.
"It's more than two times as infectious as the original variant had been. Because of that, instead of 70% of people being vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, we now need 90%."
Herd immunity is the level at which the disease will finally stop spreading. That means about 9 out of 10 people have to be vaccinated in the whole world if we want to get rid of Covid-19, including everyone, not just the ones who are eligible for the shot, which currently are 12 years old and over.
"We're not anywhere near that," Gorfinkel said. "Am I optimistic? Absolutely, because who would have even thought we'd have a vaccine [that fast?] It's exciting, but we still have a long way to go. And the answer will ultimately be vaccination, along with mitigation. In other words, we can't let go of our masks, we have to continue doing hand hygiene, we have to understand that this is a disease that transmits naturally through large droplets, but through aerosols as well — it hangs around in the air, like cigarette smoke, and it has to be taken seriously."
The doctor agreed that vaccine passports are a hot topic. "Bottom line is, they work, and they work very well as a public health tool."
"The first country to have gotten into this was Israel and boy, did they teach a wonderful lesson. Israeli health authorities basically sat down and asked themselves, 'do we use a carrot or do we use a stick?'"
"A carrot approach would be a vaccine passport, a stick approach would be mandating that everybody gets vaccinated. So rather than mandating it, they basically said, 'Fine, you want to go to the gym, you want to go to a movie theater, you want to go to a restaurant, you have to be vaccinated.' And in a way, they were also offering something in return for getting vaccinated. And it worked stunningly well."
As Tim Dare, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Auckland, and Justine Kingsbury, a Senior Lecturer in Philosophy at the University of Waikato, pointed out, the central concern is often that vaccine passports will cause or exacerbate inequality because access to a passport relies on access to vaccines, and access to vaccines has been unequal.
"Internationally, citizens of some countries are more likely to have access to vaccines – and so to vaccine passports – than citizens of other countries. And within countries, some individuals and groups are more likely to have access to vaccines than others," they wrote in The Conversation.
"Firstly, the need to contain Covid-19 justifies the significant restrictions of important liberties in lockdowns," they said. "But to the extent that vaccines work, that justification doesn’t apply to someone who has been vaccinated. The justification for curtailing liberties has gone (or at least, given the possibility of breakthrough cases, been considerably weakened), so for the vaccinated, the curtailment should go too."
"Secondly, distinguishing between people on the basis of their [Covid-19] immunity may be discrimination, but it's not obvious it is unjustified discrimination. Whether someone is vaccinated or not is arguably legitimate grounds for discrimination. The unvaccinated (for whatever reason) pose a greater risk to others than the vaccinated. They are also more likely to suffer severe symptoms if they get Covid-19."
"Thirdly, one reason to tolerate inequality is that sometimes it improves the position of the disadvantaged," Dare and Kingsbury added. "We might tolerate doctors' high incomes, for example, if the promise of a higher income led people to study medicine and we believed a good supply of doctors benefited the worst-off members of our community."
Vaccine passports might work the same way — they help get the economy going, so the government can support those still locked down. Plus, they're also an incentive to vaccinate, and high vaccination rates are good for everyone. Even the unvaccinated.
This is one of the more definitive answers. If you live alone on an island, in total isolation, then sure. Don’t get vaccinated, because you’re only hurting yourself. But if you get on your boat, leave your island, and come to the mainland to mix with the rest of us, you better damn well be vaccinated, because the rest of us want to live. Otherwise you’re even worse than Typhoid Mary. She was a cook, of all things, who kept changing her name and working in restaurants after she was discovered to be a carrier of typhoid, and was the catalyst for a string of new outbreaks in those areas. The authorities had to finally keep her in well-guarded isolation, to make sure she didn’t slip out and do it again. The differences are that there wasn’t a vaccine for typhoid then, and Mary simply didn’t know any better. You really want to go down in history with someone as notorious—-and deadly—-as Mary? You want all those avoidable deaths on your conscience? Do you even HAVE a conscience? I doubt it.
Iris Gorfinkel agrees that if a person is pinned down to the ground to receive a vaccine, that would be violating their rights. But if they're turned away from a movie theater or the gym during a pandemic because they haven't had a shot, it's a whole other thing.
"This is balancing the rights of those in a democracy to protect people, just like people don't have a right to smoke in a public area. You know, it's like my older patients ask 'what gives a person a right to go into a supermarket without a mask?'. We live in a society in which we need to get along with one another. And this isn't meant to separate out people, but rather to allow us to live together in peace."
Expanding on what Dare and Kingsbury have said, the doctor highlighted that vaccine passports work for the population, not the individual. But that's exactly what we need right now.
"They keep down the number of Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations, ICU visits, and deaths to an absolute minimum. Is this an absolute one size fits all? Of course not. And I do not want to create a divide between the vaccine-hesitant and those who get vaccinated ... [but] I'm deeply concerned about the divisive nature that's emerging from this debate."
It's like the first time you show your ID. You thought you could trick me? Well I'm allowed to be here!
For unvaxxed and proud : And we will watch natural selection and add your names to the Darwin awards, be proud you will have earned some form of recognition for removing yourself from the gene pool! Honestly, how many unvaxxed people have to DIE before you realize you het on the wrong horse? The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.... 🤦♀️
And if you end up with a bad enough case of COVID that you’re dying in the hospital, hooked up to a ventilator, please understand that you only have yourself to blame. Tell your family not to crowd share for money to pay your hospital bill, because you, for all intents and purposes, committed suicide. Willfully. That’s the experience YOU, and no one else, chose.
I get what they're saying, good point if it was true. Unlicensed and uninsured are all around us.
You bet. I’m quite happy to show that I’m smart enough, and responsible enough to get vaccinated.
Mr. Flick definitely rocks. As for you, Johnny joshua, why would you take a fatal bullet over a non-fatal injection? There's no agenda, just a vaccine. One of many you should have in your life. However, if you still insist on taking the bullet, what are you waiting for?
This woman is an immortal in mortal form. Totally made my day though, wonderful mindset to be in. :)
Big difference here, the vaccine is entirely free and college is most certainly not. I'm all for the passports and vaccination but this isn't a good comparison.
Unvaxxedandproud, tell me you're a f*****g moron without telling me you're a f*****g moron. Oh, wait. You already did.
If you wish to reap the benefits of living in an orderly society, you must adhere to the rules and participate in maintaining the order of that society. If this situation were going down in antiquity, these people would be shunned and cast out into the wilderness.
Isn't boycotting an event that requires proof that you're not a biological terrorist the best evidence that you really aren't capable of making important decisions?
How do I feel knowing it excludes people? Well. I feel like I have been wearing a mask, distancing, and giving up my comfort for a long time. I've not seen my family in two years. I had to work hard to get my vaccine, because it was not readily available for my age group where I was living - one day I walked 12 miles between centres trying to get vaccinated. I've been spit on for wearing my mask in public; I've had antivaxxers ridicule me for getting vaccinated. I've had to cope with my grandmother dying due to COVID while she was in the process of getting vaccinated, due to people refusing to get their vaccine. Meanwhile, you've been "doing your research" and ignoring the research done by scientists with decades of experience. You've been believing nonsense written on the internet by people who are not qualified. You've been contributing to this virus mutating, making it more resilient to vaccines. You're getting excluded? Somehow I don't have a problem with that. Wonder why.
Hit every point, Dasha. Sorry about your Grandmother. I've lost two more family members (non-Covid related) since this whole thing started. Haven't been able to get home for their funerals because of how long the pandemic has been going around. So why should these A-holes whine about being excluded when their actions are taking away my right to say goodbye to the people I love. Some people can't vaccinate because of medical conditions, but F*** the anti-vaxxers that won't do it by choice.
Load More Replies...A bit like knowing my regular passport allows me into certain countries that people without passports are excluded from. That's how passports work. You don't get to visit Italy or Japan or Barbados, or *any other country in the world* without a passport (and visa in some cases). And yet, if someone doesn't have a passport it doesn't affect the passport holder one jot. They get to go on holiday/vacation and you don't? Get a sodding passport then! This isn't rocket science. You want to go out and do things? You need to abide by the entry requirements of those venues - that could be a vaccine passport, an ID showing you are over 18, or just paying the entry fee - them's the rules. Don't like it? Tough.
Passports actually just prove what country you hold citizenship in and should there be a natural disaster or a war break out whilst traveling, you could avail yourself of the embassy's services, if any. Passports and Western hemisphere cards were made more important after 911, to prove who you are/citizenship and nothing else.
Load More Replies...I feel so bad for people that are severely immunocompromised or have certain illnesses and are not allowed to have the vaccine. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen posts hoping people that don't get the vaccination die. I cannot imagine how it must feel to read such animosity and know it is something that cannot be controlled.
I'm sure that the posts that were hoping that people that don't get the vaccination die, weren't aimed at people who have valid medical reasons to decline vaccination or even were excluded of vaccination for that reason. They were aimed at the idiots who choose to believe some clown somewhere on the internet rather than scientists, doctors and virologists and cold hard facts. Like the fact that in regions where people refuse vaccination for religious reasons more people end up in the ER and die on Covid-19 compared to other regions.
Load More Replies...Deciding to not get vaxxed is akin to deciding not to stop at red lights in your car. You’re endangering yourself and everyone around you.
Like a restaurant worker deciding not to wash their hands.
Load More Replies...Funny thing is, I read about a guy the other day that said the requirement to carry a vaccine card around is the equivalent of making people carry papers and wear badges in Germany during the Nazi occupation. I thought, given a look back into the person's past, what do you want to bet that, before the pandemic, they even deny the Holocaust actually occurred.
Example of how well vaccination works (not scientific to match all of you anti vax idiots) I have asthma. I got COVID recently AFTER getting all the vaccines (including the booster). I had one symptom and that was losing my sense of smell/taste. My younger cousin is not vaccinated. He has no diseases, plays sports at his college, is vegan, and has never smoked, drank, or basically anything unhealthy. He was even vaccinated for other diseases by his parents, and just decided not to get this one (because "herd immunity, right?") He still got such a bad case of COVID, he was on a ventilator for about a week. He almost died, and the worst part is he wasn't allowed to have his parents there when they thought he was going to die. He didn't have his best friend who he's known since elementary there. He wasn't allowed to have his fiancee there. He was lying in a bed alone, thinking he was going to die. He is in therapy right now, because he has panic attacks whenever he hears coughing.
(continued) There were so many scares from that one case of COVID (his grandma was at a wedding with him, his 7 year old immunocompromised sister visited him, he babysat for his 3 month old nephew who was in the NICU for 5 weeks because he was born early and was later discovered to have a birth defect, and he had dinner several times with his fiancee's parents). Don't be like my cousin. Get vaccinated you muffinheads.
Load More Replies...Who are people having to show this card to? I've had mine for ... well, months now and it's definitely not been viewed....
Many public performance venues are requiring them. I had to show mine to access a surgical center.
Load More Replies...To all of the antivaxxers, we have laws that say the people working at restaurants must wash their hands every time they use the bathroom and sometimes wear gloves on top of that rule. We have these laws for the same reason, to try to prevent the spread of deadly viruses and bacteria. I don't hear you idiots screaming about the freedom of your restaurant worker not to wash their hands. If you don't want to get the vaccine, don't enter a public space. This is a public health pandemic. Over 700 thousand people have died from COVID just in the USA. Doctors, nurses, and medical staff have been washing their hands, wearing masks, and gloves for generations because they are effective at stopping spreading the viruses and bacteria. The vaccines are generally safe and effective too. Talk to your doctor. Go to college and study epidemiology.
Imagine after that all that has happened since 2020 still thinking youre the victim because everyone else chose to be responsible, intelligent, and thoughtful of others. The pure selfishness and mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion... These are the same people that refused to simply wear a mask are now crying that society is ditching their dumbasses.
Dear anti-vaxxers. If you've made the decision that you don't care about anyone else on the planet, that's your choice. No one excludes you, you did it to yourself. I've seen the "just like Nazi Germany" remarks, which is ludicrous (and also, coincidentally, the way I felt when Danger Cheato was elected). I am really weary of seeing anti-vaxxers making deathbed conversions... "if ONLY I had been vaccinated". If you won't inform yourself; if you won't bother to do any research; if you choose to hang around with really stupid people, you've only yourself to blame.
Correct. There are huge swaths of anti-science idiots holding the rest of humanity back. They’re the as-sholes prolonging this plague. And unfortunately they are often times the ones breeding and breeding like rabbits.
Load More Replies...I'm glad it excludes people, but it's not me excluding them. The hypocrisy of it although is that all the anti-vaxxers out there are vaccinated. By their parents. The only people they are hurting are their kids. Well, until now, where covid has reset the playing field. Everyone is just as vulnerable and at risk as each other unless they are vaccinated. The vaccinated will stand a massively increased survival rate, and the anti-vaxxers will soon die out... in a literal sense. I am double dose vaccinated. I STILL wear a mask. Not only that, but I STILL sanitize my hands. Most of all, I enjoy sitting in my favourite Indian restaurant waving at the window lickers as the bouncer turns them away drooling while I dip my Naan in my mixed korma and pilau rice
I'm a tad confused. That one person said their parents are immune compromised so they couldn't get the vaccine. My dad is immunocompromised and was actually forced to get the vaccine.... so is that an actual thing? Maybe someone else has a different experience?
Well, the important thing is that my horrible question was downvoted. .... What??
Load More Replies...I don't know if the rules are different for each country, but even if you are not vaccinated, over here you can still go to places if you can show a recent negative test result. So youre never totally excluded.
In Italy it's the same, but the vaccine is free while the tests have a cost. Anti-vaxxers are clamoring to have free tests, since it's "unjust" to make them pay.
Load More Replies...i wish i could get vaxxed, but my mom's being a bitch about it and saying all this crap about how it's going to kill me or cripple me or whatever
I’m so very very sorry about your family. Please just keep paying attention in science classes in school. Try to sow seeds of doubt with her. Try to sprinkle evidence in when you can. Good luck. And know that people care about you.
Load More Replies...To whichever of you selfish, unvaccinated assholes killed Colin Powell, how does your "freedom" feel?
I am 100% pro-vaxx. I also have autoimmune problems, and I tried to get fully vaccinated, but developed SEVERE consequences and was hospitalized after the first shot. I could not get fully vaccinated. I am one of the people who is excluded. There are others like me. Please don't forget us. We exist too.
How do I feel? Thankful that the vaccine means I will likely avoid infection and, if I do become infected, it will likely be mild and not morph into long COVID. Grateful that there's a way to identify the selfish idiots who refuse to see the consequences of their own actions. Selfless in that I won't have a COVID hospitalization that would result in others being unable to access crucial medical care. Pissed that I've taken every precaution for nearly two years now, yet we're still in the middle of a pandemic. Y'all have no excuse anymore; the FDA has approved the vaccine...just like the multiple other vaccines y'all have already had: measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, varicella, hep b, etc.
How do I feel not potentially killing other people? Great thank you. I don't understand how anyone could live with themselves, knowing they could very well make other people sick, or even worst, people could die because of an ideological choice. It requires a level of sociopathy I don't have. I feel very good not walking around with a gun firing in a crowd, or running my car into people. Same end result. Just because a virus is small, it doesn't remove the moral responsibility to do everything we can to avoid spreading it, in my honest opinion.
There are so many controls that limit and control our options to make the world a safe and rational place in which to live. Public health is one of those controls. It makes sure that we can eliminate preventable diseases and stop children and adults suffering and dying needlessly as they used to do in vast numbers before inoculations were available. Public health means that we all have to participate to keep not just ourselves, but everybody else safe. Anti-vaxxers are a risk to literally everyone. I would gladly exclude them from all public places. (People who cannot be vaccinated for other medical reasons are exempt from my ban).
Which one of you unvaxxed, selfish assholes killed Colin Powell? Self-exclude, please!
I feel like a responsible, sensible, realistic, rational, intelligent human being
Why are "religious exemptions" a thing in the US? I live here and I don't understand the logic. If you CHOOSE not to get vaccinated, fine, but then you suffer the consequences. The only people who should get an exemption are those who CAN'T get the vaccine for medical reasons. Does not getting the vaccine for "religious" reasons make you somehow magically unable to spread the disease? Oh, you know, my religion says that I don't have to get car insurance or a license to be able to drive. No much different from saying my religion says I don't have to vaccinate my kids to be able to send them to school.
I feel the same way as when I "exclude" any other terrorist from free society. These people are no different from those who strap bombs to their chests and blow up buildings - the only difference is that their bombs are microscopic. It's about time we started taking biological terrorism seriously. Antivaxxers and antimaskers have no place in civilisation.
I just absolutely don't give a sh*t. I don't want to get sick, and if I do I want to get away with mild symptoms. I need to be able to travel to see my long distance boyfriend. Therefore I'm vaccinated.
Quite honestly it feels delicious. Like restaurant quality food and going to the cinema.
What a stupid and entitled question to begin with. What sort of repsonses did they expect?
Frankly that is a stupid and entitled question to begin with. What sort of responses did they expect?
I feel pretty damn good about how well that is protecting myself (immunocompromised), my parents (both elderly and one immunocompromised), my sister (born w only one lung), and my brother in law (kidney transplant, is on immunosuppressants the rest of his life) from dying from Covid.
I've noticed that having an informed opinion is like teaching a pig to sing, except that both parties end up annoyed.
Here is the grim reality of the matter whether you are vaxxed or unvaxxed: The Covid virus will run its course. If you study every epidemic there has ever been, the susceptible always die off. Then the plague ends. The people with sturdy genes and bloodlines survive. Sorry folks, but even with new vaccines and the latest antiviral drugs, this will be the case with Covid also. Yes, take the vaccines, always a good thing. Yes, wear masks, socially distance, isolate, wash hands, and do all the other things the experts recommend. But the virus will mutate 100 times over before they develop the next version of vaccine or drug. Sorry folks, but those with a susceptible weakness in the genes somewhere will eventually die. That's how viruses work. The virus finds an exploitable weakness, and then it makes the most of it. The flu virus can be caught, exchanged, and transmitted by pigs, ducks, and humans. Whenever these are in close proximity like on a pig farm, mutations happen. It becomes much more complicated with bats thrown in the mix. Count yourself lucky & blessed if you have survived this long. Before it is all over, the number of deaths and crippling cases may be several times the current count. So stay safe & well!
Many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated a couple reasons being because they believe it will have negative health effects or they want freedom of choice. Vaccinated people are also choosing to protect their health by getting vaccinated and supporting a vaccine passport. With every free choice can expect a response. You can choose not to get vaccinated and others can choose not to want to be around you. You can choose to cheat on your partner they can choose to leave. You chloose to miss work constantly your employer chooses not to employ you. You choose murder society chooses you cant be left to function freely in the world.
I can't have the vaccine because of medical allergies and chronic health issues and whilst I am super glad loads of people are getting the vaccine. I feel angry that everyone on here believes that every single person who hasn't had the vaccine is because they're anti-vaxxers. I'm very proud vaccine and so upset I can't have it, but want people to realise that not all of us are anti- vaxxers and some of us would love the vaccine, if it wouldn't potentially kill us! I feel like we should have a 'we'd love to have it but physically can't' card just to make us different to the anti-vaxxers
Honestly - I have been interested in science all my life. I read a lot, mostly educational literature. I have degrees. And the amount of people screaming "HUR, DUR SCIENCE" just because they watch TV is overwhelming. People who normally care about nothing than Kardashians and BS now scream "science" because someone else told them on TV. I read enough to not trust those numbers, that vaccine. In the science magazines and websites. What all of you actually read? Me and all my family have the necessary vaccines, cause they work, but this covid vaccine is not the same thing. I saw buried 2 people already after vaccination. And besides: me - working on first line, I saw just 3 people who really got covid and said - "just a bad flu". But they refused treatment in a hospital and it passed for a couple of days staying home with some antibiotics. I saw another one dead - after they hooked him on respiratory systems. This is not pandemic - people who can count for real can tell you all numbers
are wrong. Doctors don't treat you - they make things worse - they obey orders. Nice ones, who cares are getting fired. And the vaccine is not what you think it is. I don't know which "conspirative theory" is right. I also know lots of those so called "fake news" and conspiration theories happen to be right on different subjects. We are not a priority for the elite. We never were. So why now - for example Bill Gates who said - "Earth is overpopulated, we need to reduce population" well, how can you trust a person like this suddenly cares and saves your life with a "vaccine" he manifactured. Well, you may feel smart to vaccinate, I know I am smart to not vaccinate with especially this. How about basic human rights under each constitution to own your own body? And if I am a treat - then your vaccine is not working. Let the downvotes begin.
Load More Replies...People who want to get into a venue will create a fake passport making the entire system null and void. Fortunately through contact tracing infected people are being discovered and now injury attorneys are getting involved
In Italy we are using QR codes read by an App; I've yet to hear of someone managing to fake a QR code. You can copy someone else's code (of your own sex and approximate age) since not all venues match it to your ID. That's why you shouldn't post your QR code on social networks.
Load More Replies...I try not to let it affect me. But yesterday, while showing my vax card and photo ID just to be able to eat in the food court I asked the security guard if kids have to show photo ID. He said not for kids 12 and under. Teens 13 and up have to show photo ID. I know student cards are valid, but I don't recall my daughter getting a student photo ID card in Junior High, or maybe we just didn't think it was necessary to take along with her until she was in High School. So, that really grinded my gears. Plus, teens tend to lose things or forget things. And to add, if photo ID is necessary, the vax cards should've came with photo ID. Like, after you gotten your vaccine there should have been a photo booth to get your picture taken so your photo would be on your card.
New study out last week. Less than 1% of vaccinated people actually gets breakthrough COVID. Less than 2% of those are contagious. So that's another right wing lie below. Vaccinated are not Spreading COVID
Load More Replies...You are a disgusting person to compare vaccine mandates to the Holocaust!
Load More Replies...This voter ID garbage seems to often times be a dog whistle for racism, classism, age discrimination, and ability discrimination. Certain states don't make it easy or affordable for people of color, low income people , elderly people, and people with physical handicaps to obtain an ID. How much does a drivers license cost? Sometimes upwards of $65. Many people can't afford that. Sometimes the DMV is not in your town and you would have to take a bus for hours just to get to a DMV, and maybe have to miss work, and or get childcare, etc., all adding extra costs. Some of these evil red states with these restrictive voter laws want people to purchase a separate, special ID just for voting. Again wasting time, resources and money to try exclude certain classes and types of people from voting.
Load More Replies...Well, if true, you were damned lucky. But any look at the news will show you the millions of others weren't so lucky. Covid is f*****g awful. The best way of controlling and maybe even eradicating it, is for everyone to get vaccinated. Even you. It won't hurt you. It may save you from a second dose of Covid - maybe much more severe. It will protect you from any new variant - reducing the severity. Vaccination will reduce the chance of you and your family passing the infection to others. Having a vaccination is really a very minor thing, with very little risk. But the benefits of mass vaccination can change the world for the better. Go read about smallpox.
Load More Replies...Careful, your ignorance is showing. The vaccine was NOT slapped together. It was long in the works due to prior concerns related to avian and swine flu which are both Covid-variant viruses. And if the mRNA part freaks you out, the J&J was the good old fashioned vaccine I'm sure you have running through your veins to prevent things like chicken pox and/or polio etc. the same people whining about the perceived FDA fast track for the vaccine are almost always the same who before we're crying about over regulation and how long things take. Take a break from the paranoia and join us in reality. It's not always awesome but no one is actually out to get you. And just in case you wanna throw religious exemption in there for good measure, the Pope said he checked and God said it's fine. Because humanity. And we are all in this together.
Load More Replies...Most of us know that we can still spread it but if most people got the vaccine then transmission would still be MUCH less. Just look at the other diseases we are vaccinated against. Because of the success of vaccines cases of Polio, Rubella, Whooping cough etc are far far far less uncommon now than before vaccines. Proof is in the pudding. Vaccines work.
Load More Replies...Let me guess, you were hiding behind the door when common sense was being handed out weren’t you. Look everyone! It’s an anti-vax troll, get ‘im!
Load More Replies...How do I feel knowing it excludes people? Well. I feel like I have been wearing a mask, distancing, and giving up my comfort for a long time. I've not seen my family in two years. I had to work hard to get my vaccine, because it was not readily available for my age group where I was living - one day I walked 12 miles between centres trying to get vaccinated. I've been spit on for wearing my mask in public; I've had antivaxxers ridicule me for getting vaccinated. I've had to cope with my grandmother dying due to COVID while she was in the process of getting vaccinated, due to people refusing to get their vaccine. Meanwhile, you've been "doing your research" and ignoring the research done by scientists with decades of experience. You've been believing nonsense written on the internet by people who are not qualified. You've been contributing to this virus mutating, making it more resilient to vaccines. You're getting excluded? Somehow I don't have a problem with that. Wonder why.
Hit every point, Dasha. Sorry about your Grandmother. I've lost two more family members (non-Covid related) since this whole thing started. Haven't been able to get home for their funerals because of how long the pandemic has been going around. So why should these A-holes whine about being excluded when their actions are taking away my right to say goodbye to the people I love. Some people can't vaccinate because of medical conditions, but F*** the anti-vaxxers that won't do it by choice.
Load More Replies...A bit like knowing my regular passport allows me into certain countries that people without passports are excluded from. That's how passports work. You don't get to visit Italy or Japan or Barbados, or *any other country in the world* without a passport (and visa in some cases). And yet, if someone doesn't have a passport it doesn't affect the passport holder one jot. They get to go on holiday/vacation and you don't? Get a sodding passport then! This isn't rocket science. You want to go out and do things? You need to abide by the entry requirements of those venues - that could be a vaccine passport, an ID showing you are over 18, or just paying the entry fee - them's the rules. Don't like it? Tough.
Passports actually just prove what country you hold citizenship in and should there be a natural disaster or a war break out whilst traveling, you could avail yourself of the embassy's services, if any. Passports and Western hemisphere cards were made more important after 911, to prove who you are/citizenship and nothing else.
Load More Replies...I feel so bad for people that are severely immunocompromised or have certain illnesses and are not allowed to have the vaccine. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen posts hoping people that don't get the vaccination die. I cannot imagine how it must feel to read such animosity and know it is something that cannot be controlled.
I'm sure that the posts that were hoping that people that don't get the vaccination die, weren't aimed at people who have valid medical reasons to decline vaccination or even were excluded of vaccination for that reason. They were aimed at the idiots who choose to believe some clown somewhere on the internet rather than scientists, doctors and virologists and cold hard facts. Like the fact that in regions where people refuse vaccination for religious reasons more people end up in the ER and die on Covid-19 compared to other regions.
Load More Replies...Deciding to not get vaxxed is akin to deciding not to stop at red lights in your car. You’re endangering yourself and everyone around you.
Like a restaurant worker deciding not to wash their hands.
Load More Replies...Funny thing is, I read about a guy the other day that said the requirement to carry a vaccine card around is the equivalent of making people carry papers and wear badges in Germany during the Nazi occupation. I thought, given a look back into the person's past, what do you want to bet that, before the pandemic, they even deny the Holocaust actually occurred.
Example of how well vaccination works (not scientific to match all of you anti vax idiots) I have asthma. I got COVID recently AFTER getting all the vaccines (including the booster). I had one symptom and that was losing my sense of smell/taste. My younger cousin is not vaccinated. He has no diseases, plays sports at his college, is vegan, and has never smoked, drank, or basically anything unhealthy. He was even vaccinated for other diseases by his parents, and just decided not to get this one (because "herd immunity, right?") He still got such a bad case of COVID, he was on a ventilator for about a week. He almost died, and the worst part is he wasn't allowed to have his parents there when they thought he was going to die. He didn't have his best friend who he's known since elementary there. He wasn't allowed to have his fiancee there. He was lying in a bed alone, thinking he was going to die. He is in therapy right now, because he has panic attacks whenever he hears coughing.
(continued) There were so many scares from that one case of COVID (his grandma was at a wedding with him, his 7 year old immunocompromised sister visited him, he babysat for his 3 month old nephew who was in the NICU for 5 weeks because he was born early and was later discovered to have a birth defect, and he had dinner several times with his fiancee's parents). Don't be like my cousin. Get vaccinated you muffinheads.
Load More Replies...Who are people having to show this card to? I've had mine for ... well, months now and it's definitely not been viewed....
Many public performance venues are requiring them. I had to show mine to access a surgical center.
Load More Replies...To all of the antivaxxers, we have laws that say the people working at restaurants must wash their hands every time they use the bathroom and sometimes wear gloves on top of that rule. We have these laws for the same reason, to try to prevent the spread of deadly viruses and bacteria. I don't hear you idiots screaming about the freedom of your restaurant worker not to wash their hands. If you don't want to get the vaccine, don't enter a public space. This is a public health pandemic. Over 700 thousand people have died from COVID just in the USA. Doctors, nurses, and medical staff have been washing their hands, wearing masks, and gloves for generations because they are effective at stopping spreading the viruses and bacteria. The vaccines are generally safe and effective too. Talk to your doctor. Go to college and study epidemiology.
Imagine after that all that has happened since 2020 still thinking youre the victim because everyone else chose to be responsible, intelligent, and thoughtful of others. The pure selfishness and mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion... These are the same people that refused to simply wear a mask are now crying that society is ditching their dumbasses.
Dear anti-vaxxers. If you've made the decision that you don't care about anyone else on the planet, that's your choice. No one excludes you, you did it to yourself. I've seen the "just like Nazi Germany" remarks, which is ludicrous (and also, coincidentally, the way I felt when Danger Cheato was elected). I am really weary of seeing anti-vaxxers making deathbed conversions... "if ONLY I had been vaccinated". If you won't inform yourself; if you won't bother to do any research; if you choose to hang around with really stupid people, you've only yourself to blame.
Correct. There are huge swaths of anti-science idiots holding the rest of humanity back. They’re the as-sholes prolonging this plague. And unfortunately they are often times the ones breeding and breeding like rabbits.
Load More Replies...I'm glad it excludes people, but it's not me excluding them. The hypocrisy of it although is that all the anti-vaxxers out there are vaccinated. By their parents. The only people they are hurting are their kids. Well, until now, where covid has reset the playing field. Everyone is just as vulnerable and at risk as each other unless they are vaccinated. The vaccinated will stand a massively increased survival rate, and the anti-vaxxers will soon die out... in a literal sense. I am double dose vaccinated. I STILL wear a mask. Not only that, but I STILL sanitize my hands. Most of all, I enjoy sitting in my favourite Indian restaurant waving at the window lickers as the bouncer turns them away drooling while I dip my Naan in my mixed korma and pilau rice
I'm a tad confused. That one person said their parents are immune compromised so they couldn't get the vaccine. My dad is immunocompromised and was actually forced to get the vaccine.... so is that an actual thing? Maybe someone else has a different experience?
Well, the important thing is that my horrible question was downvoted. .... What??
Load More Replies...I don't know if the rules are different for each country, but even if you are not vaccinated, over here you can still go to places if you can show a recent negative test result. So youre never totally excluded.
In Italy it's the same, but the vaccine is free while the tests have a cost. Anti-vaxxers are clamoring to have free tests, since it's "unjust" to make them pay.
Load More Replies...i wish i could get vaxxed, but my mom's being a bitch about it and saying all this crap about how it's going to kill me or cripple me or whatever
I’m so very very sorry about your family. Please just keep paying attention in science classes in school. Try to sow seeds of doubt with her. Try to sprinkle evidence in when you can. Good luck. And know that people care about you.
Load More Replies...To whichever of you selfish, unvaccinated assholes killed Colin Powell, how does your "freedom" feel?
I am 100% pro-vaxx. I also have autoimmune problems, and I tried to get fully vaccinated, but developed SEVERE consequences and was hospitalized after the first shot. I could not get fully vaccinated. I am one of the people who is excluded. There are others like me. Please don't forget us. We exist too.
How do I feel? Thankful that the vaccine means I will likely avoid infection and, if I do become infected, it will likely be mild and not morph into long COVID. Grateful that there's a way to identify the selfish idiots who refuse to see the consequences of their own actions. Selfless in that I won't have a COVID hospitalization that would result in others being unable to access crucial medical care. Pissed that I've taken every precaution for nearly two years now, yet we're still in the middle of a pandemic. Y'all have no excuse anymore; the FDA has approved the vaccine...just like the multiple other vaccines y'all have already had: measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, varicella, hep b, etc.
How do I feel not potentially killing other people? Great thank you. I don't understand how anyone could live with themselves, knowing they could very well make other people sick, or even worst, people could die because of an ideological choice. It requires a level of sociopathy I don't have. I feel very good not walking around with a gun firing in a crowd, or running my car into people. Same end result. Just because a virus is small, it doesn't remove the moral responsibility to do everything we can to avoid spreading it, in my honest opinion.
There are so many controls that limit and control our options to make the world a safe and rational place in which to live. Public health is one of those controls. It makes sure that we can eliminate preventable diseases and stop children and adults suffering and dying needlessly as they used to do in vast numbers before inoculations were available. Public health means that we all have to participate to keep not just ourselves, but everybody else safe. Anti-vaxxers are a risk to literally everyone. I would gladly exclude them from all public places. (People who cannot be vaccinated for other medical reasons are exempt from my ban).
Which one of you unvaxxed, selfish assholes killed Colin Powell? Self-exclude, please!
I feel like a responsible, sensible, realistic, rational, intelligent human being
Why are "religious exemptions" a thing in the US? I live here and I don't understand the logic. If you CHOOSE not to get vaccinated, fine, but then you suffer the consequences. The only people who should get an exemption are those who CAN'T get the vaccine for medical reasons. Does not getting the vaccine for "religious" reasons make you somehow magically unable to spread the disease? Oh, you know, my religion says that I don't have to get car insurance or a license to be able to drive. No much different from saying my religion says I don't have to vaccinate my kids to be able to send them to school.
I feel the same way as when I "exclude" any other terrorist from free society. These people are no different from those who strap bombs to their chests and blow up buildings - the only difference is that their bombs are microscopic. It's about time we started taking biological terrorism seriously. Antivaxxers and antimaskers have no place in civilisation.
I just absolutely don't give a sh*t. I don't want to get sick, and if I do I want to get away with mild symptoms. I need to be able to travel to see my long distance boyfriend. Therefore I'm vaccinated.
Quite honestly it feels delicious. Like restaurant quality food and going to the cinema.
What a stupid and entitled question to begin with. What sort of repsonses did they expect?
Frankly that is a stupid and entitled question to begin with. What sort of responses did they expect?
I feel pretty damn good about how well that is protecting myself (immunocompromised), my parents (both elderly and one immunocompromised), my sister (born w only one lung), and my brother in law (kidney transplant, is on immunosuppressants the rest of his life) from dying from Covid.
I've noticed that having an informed opinion is like teaching a pig to sing, except that both parties end up annoyed.
Here is the grim reality of the matter whether you are vaxxed or unvaxxed: The Covid virus will run its course. If you study every epidemic there has ever been, the susceptible always die off. Then the plague ends. The people with sturdy genes and bloodlines survive. Sorry folks, but even with new vaccines and the latest antiviral drugs, this will be the case with Covid also. Yes, take the vaccines, always a good thing. Yes, wear masks, socially distance, isolate, wash hands, and do all the other things the experts recommend. But the virus will mutate 100 times over before they develop the next version of vaccine or drug. Sorry folks, but those with a susceptible weakness in the genes somewhere will eventually die. That's how viruses work. The virus finds an exploitable weakness, and then it makes the most of it. The flu virus can be caught, exchanged, and transmitted by pigs, ducks, and humans. Whenever these are in close proximity like on a pig farm, mutations happen. It becomes much more complicated with bats thrown in the mix. Count yourself lucky & blessed if you have survived this long. Before it is all over, the number of deaths and crippling cases may be several times the current count. So stay safe & well!
Many reasons people choose not to get vaccinated a couple reasons being because they believe it will have negative health effects or they want freedom of choice. Vaccinated people are also choosing to protect their health by getting vaccinated and supporting a vaccine passport. With every free choice can expect a response. You can choose not to get vaccinated and others can choose not to want to be around you. You can choose to cheat on your partner they can choose to leave. You chloose to miss work constantly your employer chooses not to employ you. You choose murder society chooses you cant be left to function freely in the world.
I can't have the vaccine because of medical allergies and chronic health issues and whilst I am super glad loads of people are getting the vaccine. I feel angry that everyone on here believes that every single person who hasn't had the vaccine is because they're anti-vaxxers. I'm very proud vaccine and so upset I can't have it, but want people to realise that not all of us are anti- vaxxers and some of us would love the vaccine, if it wouldn't potentially kill us! I feel like we should have a 'we'd love to have it but physically can't' card just to make us different to the anti-vaxxers
Honestly - I have been interested in science all my life. I read a lot, mostly educational literature. I have degrees. And the amount of people screaming "HUR, DUR SCIENCE" just because they watch TV is overwhelming. People who normally care about nothing than Kardashians and BS now scream "science" because someone else told them on TV. I read enough to not trust those numbers, that vaccine. In the science magazines and websites. What all of you actually read? Me and all my family have the necessary vaccines, cause they work, but this covid vaccine is not the same thing. I saw buried 2 people already after vaccination. And besides: me - working on first line, I saw just 3 people who really got covid and said - "just a bad flu". But they refused treatment in a hospital and it passed for a couple of days staying home with some antibiotics. I saw another one dead - after they hooked him on respiratory systems. This is not pandemic - people who can count for real can tell you all numbers
are wrong. Doctors don't treat you - they make things worse - they obey orders. Nice ones, who cares are getting fired. And the vaccine is not what you think it is. I don't know which "conspirative theory" is right. I also know lots of those so called "fake news" and conspiration theories happen to be right on different subjects. We are not a priority for the elite. We never were. So why now - for example Bill Gates who said - "Earth is overpopulated, we need to reduce population" well, how can you trust a person like this suddenly cares and saves your life with a "vaccine" he manifactured. Well, you may feel smart to vaccinate, I know I am smart to not vaccinate with especially this. How about basic human rights under each constitution to own your own body? And if I am a treat - then your vaccine is not working. Let the downvotes begin.
Load More Replies...People who want to get into a venue will create a fake passport making the entire system null and void. Fortunately through contact tracing infected people are being discovered and now injury attorneys are getting involved
In Italy we are using QR codes read by an App; I've yet to hear of someone managing to fake a QR code. You can copy someone else's code (of your own sex and approximate age) since not all venues match it to your ID. That's why you shouldn't post your QR code on social networks.
Load More Replies...I try not to let it affect me. But yesterday, while showing my vax card and photo ID just to be able to eat in the food court I asked the security guard if kids have to show photo ID. He said not for kids 12 and under. Teens 13 and up have to show photo ID. I know student cards are valid, but I don't recall my daughter getting a student photo ID card in Junior High, or maybe we just didn't think it was necessary to take along with her until she was in High School. So, that really grinded my gears. Plus, teens tend to lose things or forget things. And to add, if photo ID is necessary, the vax cards should've came with photo ID. Like, after you gotten your vaccine there should have been a photo booth to get your picture taken so your photo would be on your card.
New study out last week. Less than 1% of vaccinated people actually gets breakthrough COVID. Less than 2% of those are contagious. So that's another right wing lie below. Vaccinated are not Spreading COVID
Load More Replies...You are a disgusting person to compare vaccine mandates to the Holocaust!
Load More Replies...This voter ID garbage seems to often times be a dog whistle for racism, classism, age discrimination, and ability discrimination. Certain states don't make it easy or affordable for people of color, low income people , elderly people, and people with physical handicaps to obtain an ID. How much does a drivers license cost? Sometimes upwards of $65. Many people can't afford that. Sometimes the DMV is not in your town and you would have to take a bus for hours just to get to a DMV, and maybe have to miss work, and or get childcare, etc., all adding extra costs. Some of these evil red states with these restrictive voter laws want people to purchase a separate, special ID just for voting. Again wasting time, resources and money to try exclude certain classes and types of people from voting.
Load More Replies...Well, if true, you were damned lucky. But any look at the news will show you the millions of others weren't so lucky. Covid is f*****g awful. The best way of controlling and maybe even eradicating it, is for everyone to get vaccinated. Even you. It won't hurt you. It may save you from a second dose of Covid - maybe much more severe. It will protect you from any new variant - reducing the severity. Vaccination will reduce the chance of you and your family passing the infection to others. Having a vaccination is really a very minor thing, with very little risk. But the benefits of mass vaccination can change the world for the better. Go read about smallpox.
Load More Replies...Careful, your ignorance is showing. The vaccine was NOT slapped together. It was long in the works due to prior concerns related to avian and swine flu which are both Covid-variant viruses. And if the mRNA part freaks you out, the J&J was the good old fashioned vaccine I'm sure you have running through your veins to prevent things like chicken pox and/or polio etc. the same people whining about the perceived FDA fast track for the vaccine are almost always the same who before we're crying about over regulation and how long things take. Take a break from the paranoia and join us in reality. It's not always awesome but no one is actually out to get you. And just in case you wanna throw religious exemption in there for good measure, the Pope said he checked and God said it's fine. Because humanity. And we are all in this together.
Load More Replies...Most of us know that we can still spread it but if most people got the vaccine then transmission would still be MUCH less. Just look at the other diseases we are vaccinated against. Because of the success of vaccines cases of Polio, Rubella, Whooping cough etc are far far far less uncommon now than before vaccines. Proof is in the pudding. Vaccines work.
Load More Replies...Let me guess, you were hiding behind the door when common sense was being handed out weren’t you. Look everyone! It’s an anti-vax troll, get ‘im!
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