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“Protect Female Athletes”: Women’s Volleyball Team Abandons Match Due To Transgender Opponent
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“Protect Female Athletes”: Women’s Volleyball Team Abandons Match Due To Transgender Opponent

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Utah State University has forfeited a match against San Jose State amidst controversies revolving around transgender player Blaire Fleming.

A lawsuit has been filed against Fleming, a senior participating in her third season on San Jose State’s roster, for knowingly violating a law that prohibits transgender players from competing in women’s sports

Highlights
  • Utah State forfeited a match against San Jose State over transgender player Blaire Fleming.
  • Four universities have now refused to play against San Jose State due to the same issue.
  • Governor Spencer Cox supports the decision to forgo matches against San Jose State for fairness.

“Utah State University will not participate in its scheduled October 23, 2024, volleyball match at San Jose State University,” said the university in a statement posted on Wednesday. “The University will abide by Mountain West Conference policy regarding how this match is recorded.”

This is now the fourth university that has refused to play San Jose State, following similar announcements from Southern Utah, Boise State, and University of Wyoming.

Utah State University refused to play a volleyball match against San Jose State over a transgender player

Image credits: usuvolleyball

After Fleming was revealed to have been born a biological male, more than a dozen female athletes, including fellow teammate Brooke Slusser, have turned against her.

Regarding this controversy, San Jose State issued a statement saying, “It is disappointing that our SJSU student athletes, who are in full compliance with NCAA and Mountain West rules and regulations, are being denied opportunities to compete.

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“We are committed to supporting our student-athletes through these challenges and in their ability to compete in an inclusive, fair, safe and respectful environment.”

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Governor of Utah Spencer Cox also voiced his thoughts.

“I stand with the students, coaches and leadership at @SUUtbirds and @USUAggies in their decision to forgo their women’s volleyball matches against San Jose State,” he said

“It is essential that we preserve a space for women to compete fairly and safely,” Cox continued. “Our female athletes are left grappling with this difficult issue because the NCAA has failed in its responsibility to protect female athletes and women’s sports. It’s time for the NCAA to take this seriously and protect our female student athletes.”

Fleming’s former roommate Brooke Slusser was the first person to reveal that the player admitted to being biologically male

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In the lawsuit, Slusser claimed to be concerned for her safety, especially since she was unaware of Fleming’s biological sex when they shared rooms on team trips.

Slusser’s complaint read, “Brooke estimates that Fleming’s spikes were traveling upwards of 80mph, which was faster than she had ever seen a woman hit a volleyball.

“The girls were doing everything they could to dodge Fleming’s spikes but still could not fully protect themselves.”

Riley Gaines, women’s-rights activist and critic of trans athletes in women’s sports, issued her own statement.

“I commend Boise State’s athletic department and everyone involved in the decision to forfeit their match against undefeated San Jose State,” it read. “Some principles transcend winning on the court, and the safety and well-being of female athletes is one of them.

“It’s encouraging to witness a growing number of institutions prioritizing fairness and athlete safety over forced inclusion. 

“I hope to see more universities follow the lead of Boise State and Southern Utah, standing up for what’s right and protecting the integrity of women’s sports.”

Fleming is one of the top players on the team, leading the university to many of its victories

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Image credits: blaire.fleming

The 6ft1in volleyball star plays as an outside and right-side hitter and has helped her team move to 10-0 this year.

She is currently listed as the second-best player, scoring 118.5 points this season and with 103 kills. 

Fleming had transferred to San Jose State since her previous university — Coastal Carolina University — would have banned her from playing on female teams.

Image credits: blaire.fleming

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Winnie the Moo
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When someone transitions to their believed gender does not mean that the body itself, physiologically, transforms as well. The DNA structure of the body doesn’t change with the mindset and surgeries. Therefore, males/former males have an unfair advantage: bigger long capacity, quicker recovery, bigger muscles, more strength. Don’t get me wrong: I am totally ok with trans-people, everyone deserves to be happy in their own body and no one should have any say over that. But saying trans people can’t compete in sports against the sex they transitioned to often is regarded as being transphobic; same goes for: a transwoman will never get her period or get pregnant. That is not transphobia. That’s just science and no wishing upon a star is gonna change that (unfortunately so).

Zenera
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4 weeks ago

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Actually it does. That's what transition means. Transgender women are given hormones that not only cause their breasts to develop more (cisgender men have breasts too, they can even develop breast cancer), but their muscle mass decreases & their strength diminishes and it takes time for them to rebuild strength, but it will never be to the levels of what they were before transition or to what they could have been if they transitioned before puberty. What doesn't change is whether or not they become tall. And cisgender women can be tall. You've heard of some who are 6''1" like Sigourney Weaver, Allison Janey, Lisa Leslie (former WNBA player), Kristen Johnson, among others. I'm almost 6' and I'm a cisgender woman. As for mindset, how would you know? Your whole comment is not the least bit scientific, but you think it is. It's not about "belief." Scientists who specialize in genetics have come to find that there is a genetic component to it. Look up the SRY gene.

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Hoi-Polloi
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It kind of makes sense to me. If the women don't rebel, you're going to see an asterisk next to every women's world record from here on out. The whole point of women's leagues was to give women a place to excel, instead of making everything co-ed.

Zenera
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4 weeks ago

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They're not making it "co-ed" anymore than you're making an argument that makes sense.

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Priyanka Srivastava
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How do people ignore biology so blatantly. There is obviously a difference between men and women. Trans women do have an advantage. Men have a bigger skeleton and bigger organs like heart and lungs, their lung capacity is greater and stuff like that doesn't change even after transitioning and those things have an obvious advantage in sports. Their muscle mass and testosterone levels does decrease post transition but it is nowhere near the level of cis women and ignoring those facts is good for nobody. I am not saying trans people shouldn't play sports but they need their own category. To those arguing that trans people don't have an advantage please care to explain why we never seen trans men dominating men's sports.

Keith Lindquist
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The ego of some people! They KNOW that pitting a man against women in sports is unfair. Yet they want acceptance so badly that they will rationalize the unfairness away. Their agenda takes precedence. They have made this a political issue, not a compassionate inclusion issue. No, you can't make reasonable people accept it by poo pooing people that stand up for original women. Kudos to these schools for forfeiting these matches. We all mostly accept transgender individuals, yet when your issue causes damage and lost opportunities to women then we have to also stand up. Your champions need to start your own transgender league, not try to ingratiate your athletes in with our young girls. Not even your engineered women with hormones need apply. Do your own thing.

nuberiffic
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"putting a man against a woman is unfair". Good thing they're women then. So it's all fair.

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UKGrandad
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To those of you shouting about transphobia and claiming that males have no advantage in sports, consider this: if there really are no advantages to men in sports, why are trans men not racking up wins in male sports the way that trans women are doing in female sports? I'm sure that it isn't because, by some weird coincidence, male-identifying trans people just happen to have no interest in sport, so what would you say is holding them back?

Socks Thecate
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4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's probably amusing to some to see such blatant misogyny dressed up as a civil rights movement. A white person does not get to pretend to be black and then demand entry into black only spaces and call any black people that disagree bigots. The very basis of female subjugation is biology and though nobody minds at all what you think you are, what you want to wear or who you want to sleep with, women do mind if they are subjugated by a supposed civil rights movement like this. It is because women are hated that this is allowed. Gynephobia. So far four colleges have had to forfeit games because of one male. How many women were affected? Nobody cares. Women do not exist to be human support animals or to validate men.

Ellinor
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From the short-fat-ashma girl I was in PE class : You don't have to be trans to have an advantage or disadvantage in sport. We're all different.

UKGrandad
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From OP: "In the lawsuit, Slusser claimed to be concerned for her safety, especially since she was unaware of Fleming’s biological sex when they shared rooms on team trips." Two points about this: First, the wording is misleading. In the source material Slusser's safety concerns centre on the way Fleming acts on the court, "smashing volleyballs into the faces and bodies of young women", not only against opposing sides but also in practice sessions with his own teammates. Second, it's creepy at best and potentially extremely dangerous at worst that a young woman was roomed with Fleming without being informed that he is a male. Essentially she was sleeping, showering, etc. in the same space as a man without her knowledge or consent. When a woman has to room with somebody else she has the right to know the sex of the person she's being paired-up with.

Roberta Surprenant
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unless a person has had "bottom surgery" they are still the gender they were born.

UKGrandad
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody is born a 'gender'. The are either male or female 'sex'. And nothing, not even surgery, can change that basic fact.

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John Candler
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good for those girls...........WIMPY guys who want to be girls don't belong playing on girls sports teams!!!!!

John Harrison
Community Member
4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Two things are for certain: 1. The "trans women are women and should be able to compete in womens' sports" crowd will continue with this nonsense until a biologically-born woman gets a life-altering injury or is killed. And even then they'll probably keep going. 2. BP is a terrible place to debate, as the notifications that someone responded to you are terrible, and people get muted when ~4 people disagree with them. Who TF designed this site, anyway?

Roan The Demon Kitty
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

remember when everyone called Imane Khelif trans/a man, just because she happened to be stronger than her opponent? this whole "bio men have an advantage" is complete c**p and just a blatant excuse for transphobia.

Kika González
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4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is scientific evidence that males do have an advantage and there are anatomical factors that can't be undone. Educated before you blurt out

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Mäandertal
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unreal. All y'all have never EVER interacted with actual trans people and it shows. What a shame that humanity can be lost in an instance because you don't like other people's lived reality.

John Harrison
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unreal. You've never seen or participated in a sporting event and it shows. What a shame that your common sense can be lost in an instance [sic] because you assume that people that disagree with your are transphobic.

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Apatheist Account2
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is where everyone, as it were, picks a rose and displays their colours. I think it's becoming clearer that, where men and women are separated, the burden of proof now falls on the trans community to prove that those born as biological males do not have an unfair advantage or pose a threat to the safety of biological women. It's difficult to see how, in sports where size and strength are clearly an advantage, this is going to be the case.

Nathaniel He/Him Cis-Het
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4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If size and strength mattered you would never have a sporting contest as there will always be a competitor who is larger and stronger.

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Jaya
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised nobody ever gets this upset over tall people playing sports. Tall people have a HUGE disadvantage over short people when it comes to running, basketball and sports like that. Yet nobody ever says tall people shouldn't be allowed to join, we have completely accepted that sports are never fair, because everybody is born with a different physique.

Haywood Jablome
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is so far removed from different "physiques". Male and female bodies develop differently, especially when it comes to muscle tissue. A grown woman probably can't kill you with an 80mph volleyball spike, but a grown man could

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LokisLilButterknife
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4 weeks ago

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To all the hate filled transphobes that our downvoting people- get a damned life. This site is such a mean-spirited place anymore. I’m done

Raymond Core
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Phobic means 'afraid'. One doesn't have to be 'phobic' to see the huge injustise of a man parading a woman to compete against women. If I want to 'identify' as a 7-yr-old and beat all the girs at stickball and you object. Shall I call you age phobic.

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Nathaniel He/Him Cis-Het
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4 weeks ago

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Michael Phelps had physical advantages over others that enabled him to dominate in swimming competitions. No one complained about his advantages, or that he trounced pretty much every competitor. It is not about physical advantages, or domination otherwise he would not have been allowed to compete.

Haywood Jablome
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So would it be fair if a peewee hockey team played against the high school Varsity team? There's only physical difference, is that fair?

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Lorrie Crabtree
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4 weeks ago

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How many of y'all are aware of the history of women in the Olympics? See, women did not used to be allowed to compete. Then, when they were allowed to compete in -some- sports, they competed along side of the men. And they consistently outperformed the men. Which led the Olympics to ban women from competing against men. Which is why the competitions are divided by gender. So, don't give me this garbage that transwomen have an unfair advantage over women assigned-female-at-birth. That is transphobic propaganda.

UKGrandad
Community Member
4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm really going to need a source for the claim about women outperforming the men in the early Olympics. All I can find is that in 1992 a woman won gold in shooting for the first time ever; in 1996 women were barred from shooting, and in 2000 women's shooting was introduced as a single-sex category. That is a long way from women 'consistently outperforming the men' - one woman in one event at one single Summer Olympics.

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LokisLilButterknife
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4 weeks ago

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This is just another excuse for blatant transphobia. This is why I love martial arts and paddle sports like outrigger canoe. In martial arts like kendo (Japanese and Korean style fencing), many people compete against all gender identities, and nobody complains about men having an advantage over women. When I used to practice kendo, I would see smaller women with amazing technique and speed constantly win again men who were taller and stronger than they were. In outrigger canoe I love paddling with both men and women, and everyone plays a vital role.

Guess Undheit
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4 weeks ago

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Fkcu off with that anti-Trans phrase "biologically male". She's a woman, that's all you should be saying to describe her.

Mäandertal
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4 weeks ago

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This is transphobia, plain and simple. I'll gladly take into account any actual instances of trans women hurting biological women in the context of sports - IF you can ACTUALLY name ANY.

UKGrandad
Community Member
4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Volleyball: https://sportslitigationalert.com/after-suffering-concussion-at-the-hands-of-transgender-athlete-high-school-volleyball-player-becomes-spokeswoman/. Field hockey: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/olympics/news-riley-gaines-reacts-female-field-hockey-player-injured-trans-woman-opponent-high-school-match-massachusetts. Soccer: https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/watch-transgender-soccer-player-injures-female-opponent/ EDIT: typically, I'm being downvoted for providing exactly what was asked for. Have a talk with yourselves.

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Winnie the Moo
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When someone transitions to their believed gender does not mean that the body itself, physiologically, transforms as well. The DNA structure of the body doesn’t change with the mindset and surgeries. Therefore, males/former males have an unfair advantage: bigger long capacity, quicker recovery, bigger muscles, more strength. Don’t get me wrong: I am totally ok with trans-people, everyone deserves to be happy in their own body and no one should have any say over that. But saying trans people can’t compete in sports against the sex they transitioned to often is regarded as being transphobic; same goes for: a transwoman will never get her period or get pregnant. That is not transphobia. That’s just science and no wishing upon a star is gonna change that (unfortunately so).

Zenera
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4 weeks ago

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Actually it does. That's what transition means. Transgender women are given hormones that not only cause their breasts to develop more (cisgender men have breasts too, they can even develop breast cancer), but their muscle mass decreases & their strength diminishes and it takes time for them to rebuild strength, but it will never be to the levels of what they were before transition or to what they could have been if they transitioned before puberty. What doesn't change is whether or not they become tall. And cisgender women can be tall. You've heard of some who are 6''1" like Sigourney Weaver, Allison Janey, Lisa Leslie (former WNBA player), Kristen Johnson, among others. I'm almost 6' and I'm a cisgender woman. As for mindset, how would you know? Your whole comment is not the least bit scientific, but you think it is. It's not about "belief." Scientists who specialize in genetics have come to find that there is a genetic component to it. Look up the SRY gene.

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Hoi-Polloi
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It kind of makes sense to me. If the women don't rebel, you're going to see an asterisk next to every women's world record from here on out. The whole point of women's leagues was to give women a place to excel, instead of making everything co-ed.

Zenera
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4 weeks ago

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They're not making it "co-ed" anymore than you're making an argument that makes sense.

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Priyanka Srivastava
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How do people ignore biology so blatantly. There is obviously a difference between men and women. Trans women do have an advantage. Men have a bigger skeleton and bigger organs like heart and lungs, their lung capacity is greater and stuff like that doesn't change even after transitioning and those things have an obvious advantage in sports. Their muscle mass and testosterone levels does decrease post transition but it is nowhere near the level of cis women and ignoring those facts is good for nobody. I am not saying trans people shouldn't play sports but they need their own category. To those arguing that trans people don't have an advantage please care to explain why we never seen trans men dominating men's sports.

Keith Lindquist
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The ego of some people! They KNOW that pitting a man against women in sports is unfair. Yet they want acceptance so badly that they will rationalize the unfairness away. Their agenda takes precedence. They have made this a political issue, not a compassionate inclusion issue. No, you can't make reasonable people accept it by poo pooing people that stand up for original women. Kudos to these schools for forfeiting these matches. We all mostly accept transgender individuals, yet when your issue causes damage and lost opportunities to women then we have to also stand up. Your champions need to start your own transgender league, not try to ingratiate your athletes in with our young girls. Not even your engineered women with hormones need apply. Do your own thing.

nuberiffic
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"putting a man against a woman is unfair". Good thing they're women then. So it's all fair.

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UKGrandad
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To those of you shouting about transphobia and claiming that males have no advantage in sports, consider this: if there really are no advantages to men in sports, why are trans men not racking up wins in male sports the way that trans women are doing in female sports? I'm sure that it isn't because, by some weird coincidence, male-identifying trans people just happen to have no interest in sport, so what would you say is holding them back?

Socks Thecate
Community Member
4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's probably amusing to some to see such blatant misogyny dressed up as a civil rights movement. A white person does not get to pretend to be black and then demand entry into black only spaces and call any black people that disagree bigots. The very basis of female subjugation is biology and though nobody minds at all what you think you are, what you want to wear or who you want to sleep with, women do mind if they are subjugated by a supposed civil rights movement like this. It is because women are hated that this is allowed. Gynephobia. So far four colleges have had to forfeit games because of one male. How many women were affected? Nobody cares. Women do not exist to be human support animals or to validate men.

Ellinor
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From the short-fat-ashma girl I was in PE class : You don't have to be trans to have an advantage or disadvantage in sport. We're all different.

UKGrandad
Community Member
3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From OP: "In the lawsuit, Slusser claimed to be concerned for her safety, especially since she was unaware of Fleming’s biological sex when they shared rooms on team trips." Two points about this: First, the wording is misleading. In the source material Slusser's safety concerns centre on the way Fleming acts on the court, "smashing volleyballs into the faces and bodies of young women", not only against opposing sides but also in practice sessions with his own teammates. Second, it's creepy at best and potentially extremely dangerous at worst that a young woman was roomed with Fleming without being informed that he is a male. Essentially she was sleeping, showering, etc. in the same space as a man without her knowledge or consent. When a woman has to room with somebody else she has the right to know the sex of the person she's being paired-up with.

Roberta Surprenant
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unless a person has had "bottom surgery" they are still the gender they were born.

UKGrandad
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody is born a 'gender'. The are either male or female 'sex'. And nothing, not even surgery, can change that basic fact.

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John Candler
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good for those girls...........WIMPY guys who want to be girls don't belong playing on girls sports teams!!!!!

John Harrison
Community Member
4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Two things are for certain: 1. The "trans women are women and should be able to compete in womens' sports" crowd will continue with this nonsense until a biologically-born woman gets a life-altering injury or is killed. And even then they'll probably keep going. 2. BP is a terrible place to debate, as the notifications that someone responded to you are terrible, and people get muted when ~4 people disagree with them. Who TF designed this site, anyway?

Roan The Demon Kitty
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

remember when everyone called Imane Khelif trans/a man, just because she happened to be stronger than her opponent? this whole "bio men have an advantage" is complete c**p and just a blatant excuse for transphobia.

Kika González
Community Member
4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is scientific evidence that males do have an advantage and there are anatomical factors that can't be undone. Educated before you blurt out

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Mäandertal
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unreal. All y'all have never EVER interacted with actual trans people and it shows. What a shame that humanity can be lost in an instance because you don't like other people's lived reality.

John Harrison
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unreal. You've never seen or participated in a sporting event and it shows. What a shame that your common sense can be lost in an instance [sic] because you assume that people that disagree with your are transphobic.

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Apatheist Account2
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is where everyone, as it were, picks a rose and displays their colours. I think it's becoming clearer that, where men and women are separated, the burden of proof now falls on the trans community to prove that those born as biological males do not have an unfair advantage or pose a threat to the safety of biological women. It's difficult to see how, in sports where size and strength are clearly an advantage, this is going to be the case.

Nathaniel He/Him Cis-Het
Community Member
4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If size and strength mattered you would never have a sporting contest as there will always be a competitor who is larger and stronger.

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Jaya
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised nobody ever gets this upset over tall people playing sports. Tall people have a HUGE disadvantage over short people when it comes to running, basketball and sports like that. Yet nobody ever says tall people shouldn't be allowed to join, we have completely accepted that sports are never fair, because everybody is born with a different physique.

Haywood Jablome
Community Member
4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is so far removed from different "physiques". Male and female bodies develop differently, especially when it comes to muscle tissue. A grown woman probably can't kill you with an 80mph volleyball spike, but a grown man could

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LokisLilButterknife
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4 weeks ago

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To all the hate filled transphobes that our downvoting people- get a damned life. This site is such a mean-spirited place anymore. I’m done

Raymond Core
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Phobic means 'afraid'. One doesn't have to be 'phobic' to see the huge injustise of a man parading a woman to compete against women. If I want to 'identify' as a 7-yr-old and beat all the girs at stickball and you object. Shall I call you age phobic.

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Nathaniel He/Him Cis-Het
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4 weeks ago

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Michael Phelps had physical advantages over others that enabled him to dominate in swimming competitions. No one complained about his advantages, or that he trounced pretty much every competitor. It is not about physical advantages, or domination otherwise he would not have been allowed to compete.

Haywood Jablome
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4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So would it be fair if a peewee hockey team played against the high school Varsity team? There's only physical difference, is that fair?

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Lorrie Crabtree
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How many of y'all are aware of the history of women in the Olympics? See, women did not used to be allowed to compete. Then, when they were allowed to compete in -some- sports, they competed along side of the men. And they consistently outperformed the men. Which led the Olympics to ban women from competing against men. Which is why the competitions are divided by gender. So, don't give me this garbage that transwomen have an unfair advantage over women assigned-female-at-birth. That is transphobic propaganda.

UKGrandad
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4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm really going to need a source for the claim about women outperforming the men in the early Olympics. All I can find is that in 1992 a woman won gold in shooting for the first time ever; in 1996 women were barred from shooting, and in 2000 women's shooting was introduced as a single-sex category. That is a long way from women 'consistently outperforming the men' - one woman in one event at one single Summer Olympics.

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LokisLilButterknife
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This is just another excuse for blatant transphobia. This is why I love martial arts and paddle sports like outrigger canoe. In martial arts like kendo (Japanese and Korean style fencing), many people compete against all gender identities, and nobody complains about men having an advantage over women. When I used to practice kendo, I would see smaller women with amazing technique and speed constantly win again men who were taller and stronger than they were. In outrigger canoe I love paddling with both men and women, and everyone plays a vital role.

Guess Undheit
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4 weeks ago

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Fkcu off with that anti-Trans phrase "biologically male". She's a woman, that's all you should be saying to describe her.

Mäandertal
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This is transphobia, plain and simple. I'll gladly take into account any actual instances of trans women hurting biological women in the context of sports - IF you can ACTUALLY name ANY.

UKGrandad
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4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Volleyball: https://sportslitigationalert.com/after-suffering-concussion-at-the-hands-of-transgender-athlete-high-school-volleyball-player-becomes-spokeswoman/. Field hockey: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/olympics/news-riley-gaines-reacts-female-field-hockey-player-injured-trans-woman-opponent-high-school-match-massachusetts. Soccer: https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/watch-transgender-soccer-player-injures-female-opponent/ EDIT: typically, I'm being downvoted for providing exactly what was asked for. Have a talk with yourselves.

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