Person Starts An Important Thread About “The Great Information War” So That People Would Know About It
British journalist and author Carole Cadwalladr, who exposed the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal a few years back, has just published a Twitter thread about what she calls the first Great Information War, and it explains why Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is much more than a regional conflict.
Cadwalladr thinks that Putin and his regime have been targeting the West since at least 2014 and the current bloodshed in Europe is just a part of it. Much of the fighting has been taking place on other fronts as well. Like social media.
On February 24, Russia invaded the European country of Ukraine
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But journalist and author Carole Cadwalladr thinks that Putin’s war against the Western world has been going on for years now
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Inga Zakšauskienė, a Cold War historian and disinformation scholar, said these practices have been evolving for a long time.
“There have always been attempts to manipulate history and facts, but today it is much easier to do so,” she told the Lithuanian National Television and Radio. “During the Cold War period, it was very expensive to organize disinformation campaigns. […] What is new today is the very swift dissemination of messages and the low cost of producing and distributing them.”
And Putin knows how to use them. “Russia has one of the most capable and technological militaries on the planet,” Justin Pelletier, Professor of Practice of Computing Security at the Rochester Institute of Technology, wrote. “They have advanced intelligence, information warfare, cyber warfare, and electronic warfare capabilities.”
“Russia has used these technologies in recent years in combat in Syria and the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine, and is using them in its current invasion of Ukraine,” he explained.
Information warfare, like the term suggests, is the battle waged in the news media and on social media to bolster popular support; persuade and induce the sympathy of potential allies; and simultaneously spread confusion, uncertainty, and distrust in the enemy’s population.
“Russia has used and is likely to continue to use cyber operations to subvert the Ukrainian government,” Pelletier said. “For example, in the weeks leading up to both the 2014 and 2022 invasions, Ukrainian soldiers were targeted with disinformation designed to sow confusion and disorder in the event of an attack.”
Russian messaging about ‘liberating’ portions of Ukraine is the disinformation most likely aimed at an international audience, and Pelletier expects attempts to legitimize Russia’s actions will continue.
“There is an ongoing contest to control the narrative about what is happening in Ukraine. Russia is running an active disinformation campaign and I expect it is using AI to find and generate content at a rapid rate.”
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Social media has long been instrumental in distributing frontline footage, but the war in Ukraine presents a new scale of global conflict for private platforms to navigate.
Tech companies are facing a never-ending stream of mis- and dis- information from the Russian propaganda machine with violent content, and on-the-ground footage of fleeing refugees, causing world leaders and tech watchdogs to call for greater accountability and transparency in how companies manage their powerful platforms.
Ukrainian officials last week pleaded with US tech giants to take action, asking them to restrict access to their services within Russia, more forcefully curtail the spread of misinformation, and crack down on Russian state-backed outlets.
Over the weekend, the prime ministers of NATO members Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia sent a joint letter to the chief executives of Google, Facebook, and Twitter, urging them to proactively suspend accounts denying, glorifying, or justifying war aggression, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.
They also suggested the companies take down the official accounts of Russian and Belarusian government institutions, state-controlled media, and personal accounts of the countries’ leadership and their associates, which routinely disseminate false information about the invasion.
Some platforms did take action. Twitter, for example, said that on Sunday it had permanently suspended more than a dozen accounts and blocked some content that violated its “manipulation and spam” policy.
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Meta, which owns Facebook, reported Monday it removed a network run by people in Russia and Ukraine that “ran a handful of websites masquerading as independent news outlets, publishing claims about the West betraying Ukraine and Ukraine being a failed state.”
After talking to Kyiv officials, the company also said it would restrict access to several accounts in Ukraine, including some Russian state media organizations. It’s also “reviewing other government requests to restrict Russian state-controlled media.”
Meanwhile, Google confirmed it has temporarily disabled the Google Maps traffic layer and live information on how busy places like stores and restaurants are in Ukraine for the safety of local communities in the country, after consulting with sources including regional authorities.
Hopefully, the West is finally waking up and willing to fight on this battlefield as well.
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I feel like a bunch of us have been very aware of this information war the whole time though? I have literally been talking about it for years, and so have many others.
I've been saying this for years and people said I was just paranoid.
Load More Replies...We hang out in different circles than many, I guess? Or maybe nobody wanted to bleieve they could be among the manipulated?
It got discounted because they attacked both sides of the political aisle. People chose to believe 'Trump-Russia' collusion including mainstream media so they discounted any evidence that Russia was the enemy because Orange Man Bad. The same for people who focused on Russian disinformation against Bernie and Hillary because 'Lock Her Up'. The sad thing is it is still going strong today and people are still ignoring it. Our politicians on BOTH sides are using this disinformation to line their own pockets, the media is cherry picking the information to stir up fear and gain revenue. Meanwhile, many in the world are so obsessed with their 'Truth' that they destroy peoples relationships and friendships based on a box they checked during an election. This site itself is a huge example of how hatred of Trump will automatically disqualify any opinion that does not support their narrative. Russian propaganda is alive and well and incredibly effective with no signs of stopping.
What I still can't understand is how so many people fell for the really obvious things
Because they don't want to know. It's too scary for most and they put their hands over their ears, close their eyes and go "lalala I can't hear or see you". Iike a 4 yo.
Load More Replies...It's like the Asch conformity experiments -- the ones where some people agreed that two lines were the same length, even when that wasn't true, because everyone else said it was. Asch found that 5% were always willing to deny the evidence of their eyes in something that simple and obvious... and up to 75% could be pressured to conform at least once. And there are a lot of things like that, where you can be pressured to conform with everyone else...
You're right Caro. Also, people would rather double down on their own false beliefs rather than admit they were wrong.
I was extremely interested in the Mueller report but I kept waiting to hear something from the news about what was going on with it and what was going to happen concerning the "meddling" with the election, and other information that was being broadcast on our local news stations, but everything just basically dwindled down to nothing. Of course, I have to take responsibility for my lack of follow through but it's so disturbing that enough people in a position of power to do something about it, didn't care to push the issue either.
I am an avid Last Week Tonight fan, and Iirc they did a segment on it. It was very informative and effing scary!
Here's a link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBj_tU7HRU You can also watch the segments called "Stupid Watergate" (they have more than one.... ) as they touch a similar subject. But the link is to the segment specifically about the Mueller Report
Because the lies are coming from all directions and from their most trusted news source (Fox). Republicans spent over a decade making people think they can trust Fox, and only Fox. I think any of us would fall for "obvious things" repeated often, repeated by many, and sourced from people we trust. (Antivaxxers would claim that's exactly what's happened with the Covid vaccine. But just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it *couldn't*.)
Fox News has disclaimers where they have ti tell the public they are for entertainment purposes only but they overlook that. I still don't understand how you don't do your due diligence and seek out facts. Like this woman Lara that supports trump. She claims only democrats are aligned w dictators but she has no proof of that at all. She's only going by what someone told her. I need to see the proof. I need to see facts. CNN fox daily mail social media they all make stuff up. We all know this. How doesn't Lara know this?
I will never understand this point. How could ANYONE believe that anything said on Fox is news??? The literally have made the argument in court MULTIPLE times that nothing on Fox is correct, but that's because it's "entertainment", not news. In court ... multiple times.
I don't watch CNN, FOX or MSNBC simply for that reason ---- I don't want bias confirmation and infotainment bubbles. Discussions, disagreements, debates, I don't mind. Yelling heads on TV? Pfft, no thanks.
BBC, AP here, too, and sometimes Al-Jazeera or Reuters. If nothing else, a non-US-centric view is useful!
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Gee and you are still falling for it and passing it on and refusing to open your eyes and then damn me for pointing it out.
You have no proof! For f***s sake where is your proof. Anyone can go around accusing people of all kinds of things but you need the proof and facts ti back up those accusations. You're out here saying whatever you want wo proof. You're quoting opinion based articles from entertainment news sources. You quoted an accustom that has not been proven wo any facts to back it up by the daily mail. Western journal is not a real newspaper it's an ultra conservative entertainment based news site. The nypost article was an opinion piece. Not one thing you've written has any quotes or documents or records or signatures or videos or recordings or witnesses that have come forward w proof. Accusations are not facts. Here-say is not fact. What is wrong w you?
K, you can't talk sense into people who are in denial. Always remember it's easier to fool a man than to convince a man he has been fooled. You're dealing with people who refuse to acknowledge any and all truth. It's extremely sad at this point.
I know but sometimes it's so frustrating that I just can't fathom the absolute insanity of it. Especially now when we're all in danger if people believe anymore Russian terroristic lies and propaganda. Can't even imagine if trump gets elected again bc of these continued lies. It only takes one or two of the wrong people to believe this crap.
Laura give it up ffs. Putin has been planning this for years. You still don't stare any facts just lies and opinions. Knock it off and get your s**t together. You don't back putin but you quote Russian talking points from conspiracy laden ultra conservative entertainment "news" sites. Delusional or are you a Russian troll?
I feel and understand everything you're saying. I'm just glad there are people who see the truth.
This issue aside the BBC can get things wrong, same as any news channel. I worked somewhere that gave me some important inside info once and watched them report on it completely inaccurately. You really are welded to a whole lot of misinformation and bad political theory, aren't you? Banging on about 'liberals' and muddling democratic socialism with communism. You are so wide of the mark. Well, in fact you sound completely brainwashed.
Beggars belief doesn't it? How does she manage to fool herself so thoroughly and then have the nerve to accuse others of the very thing she suffers with - and you know she'll never see the irony of it. It's the same with anti-vaxxers. They really want to believe the rubbish that gets spouted. It suits their crazy world view despite mountains of evidence proving them wrong. You offer fact and they just return blinkered unsubstantiated rubbish. Copied directly from some fairly repugnant people usually. Rather sad. I hope I never get to the stage where I'm so welded to my own view that I can't take on board anything different. You've done your best... 👍
No Lara, K is stating FACTS. Things that have been proven! The only one wrapping themselves in ignorance is you, and other conservatives like you. It's sad, really.
Lara once again digging your heels in even though you are completely wrong and utterly brainwashed by all the misinformation you swallowed and still believe after all these years. Twitter has blocked russia and they're no longer dealing w all the misinformation you believe. Get off of Facebook ffs. Stay away from white supremacist/nationalist propaganda. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Matt Gaetz should not be people you idolize. You still never gave any facts just opinions, emotions, and lies. You got brainwashed bc you're lonely, vulnerable, or downright bigoted. What I said was absolutely the truth about the pipeline as well. That article was from may 2021. The pipeline is no longer a working negotiation for merkel or biden. Which means no more pipeline. And no one at all worships biden like you people worship trump
Europe’s energy supply is sufficient to get through the winter, but the Russian invasion of Ukraine has exposed vulnerabilities that need to be addressed, the European Union's energy commissioner said Monday. “We cannot let any third country destabilize our energy markets or influence our energy choices,” the commissioner, Kadri Simson, told reporters after a joint meeting of European Union energy ministers and the European Commission, the bloc’s executive arm, in Brussels. She said the Russian invasion “made our vulnerability painfully clear.” Russia provides nearly 40 percent of the European Union’s natural gas and more than 25 percent of its crude oil. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/business/energy-environment/russia-eu-energy.html#:~:text=Russia%20provides%20nearly%2040%20percent,percent%20of%20its%20crude%20oil.
Their vulnerability was made clear w the pipeline. That's why it had such opposition. Now they are no longer using it. People will have to pay just like the rest of the world until there's better negotiate in place. If putin is killed and someone else is in charge then they can make deals until then they will make deals elsewhere. You're harping on this one thing and it wasn't an underhanded deal done in an elevator at 2am w dirty Russian oligarchs.
Lara I'm going to give you credit here. You did some research and actually found a reputable article w sources and facts. I hope you keep this up. It's the first step in actually getting away from the lies you've been brainwashed to believe. No one but people w something to hide are accepting Russian money now. Look at the republicans look at their money trail w their campaigns look at trumps finances and where he's getting his money still to this day. Tucker Carlson as well is being funded by back door deals w Putin's right hand men. Trumps own children had to admit where they get their funding from after they stole money from the little babies cancer charity and had to take classes that taught them how not to steal.
K Witmer was being honest with you because K is a decent human being. Stop just trying to score points and THINK.
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Your assumptions about me are as wrong as your assumptions about most Americans. And as for the "pipeline" exactly from WHERE is Europe getting it's energy?
Europe is not a country and the short answer is it varies across the different countries. However, natural gas is only about 22% of the energy for Europe. Crude oil is a slightly larger percentage of that smaller provision. Renewable and nuclear are not insignificant. So does that anser some of the where? Oh, and Nordstream2 has filed for bankruptcy on 1st March 2022 and laid off all its staff.
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Of course, despite the "European Union" Europe is NOT a country. However, when addressing supplying energy "Europe’s energy supply is sufficient to get through the winter, but the Russian invasion of Ukraine has exposed vulnerabilities that need to be addressed, the European Union's energy commissioner said Monday." Note that there is a EUROPEAN UNION ENERGY COMMISSIONER and that she said that "EUROPE'S energy supply."
So what? Each country still has it's own individual negotiations outside the bloc but the bloc can also speak for all... I think you don't understand how Europe and how the EU works.
Germany not Europe. Europe is not a country. Germany was only getting half their gas and coal from Russia. Now they are depending on themselves, Austria France w help from the US. They are going sustainable in 13 yrsinstead of 28 years bc of this war. Their gas prices are going to be high but that's how it's going to be everywhere. I only go by what you say as far as assumptions and so far you've told me nothing that's true. You've only parroted Russian trolls and bots word for word while giving me sources from opinion "news" sites that don't have any sources bc they aren't factual news. They are for entertainment purposes only. They make that clear so they do not get sued. The bbc article was from may 2021 and the pipeline wasn't even certified yet. It's no longer in use at all. That's not true for republican senators and congress people and trump that are still being funded by putin that are still being funded
By Putin's oligarchs. You need to start reading actual news sources that give facts and proof w sources to back up every single one of their claims. Associated press, Al Jazeera, bbc world news for example. They must supply the truth backed up w legal documents, direct quotes, signatures, recordings etc not just some guy saying he thinks something is happening.
And you are not most Americans only 33% of voters still believe the crap you believe. I never said you were most Americans. Most Americans like me never fell for the lies bc we never got our news from Facebook, YouTube or tabloids that don't supply sources. I do not watch fox or cnn they are opinion based. Most American voters read the mueller report, most American voters knew the Russians were infiltrating the internet.
AND?? He's not wrong is he about that? He isn't in a situation which is worrying everyone is he? No, couldn't possible be! 🙄 I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make anymore. You've gone from quoting horrible opinions to just quoting without context and any actual thought. Countries were trading and when war happens a mess is created that people try to wade through.
Lara ok this was a negotiation amongst nations all done w complete transparency to benefit every day citizens. They did not praise putin and call him a very great dictator a genius. They did not align themselves w a dictator. They are no longer and haven't been negotiating w him
K you are way more patient than I am. This bit makes me laugh though. Lara is a Russian name! 🤣🤣🤣 The irony!
I feel like a bunch of us have been very aware of this information war the whole time though? I have literally been talking about it for years, and so have many others.
I've been saying this for years and people said I was just paranoid.
Load More Replies...We hang out in different circles than many, I guess? Or maybe nobody wanted to bleieve they could be among the manipulated?
It got discounted because they attacked both sides of the political aisle. People chose to believe 'Trump-Russia' collusion including mainstream media so they discounted any evidence that Russia was the enemy because Orange Man Bad. The same for people who focused on Russian disinformation against Bernie and Hillary because 'Lock Her Up'. The sad thing is it is still going strong today and people are still ignoring it. Our politicians on BOTH sides are using this disinformation to line their own pockets, the media is cherry picking the information to stir up fear and gain revenue. Meanwhile, many in the world are so obsessed with their 'Truth' that they destroy peoples relationships and friendships based on a box they checked during an election. This site itself is a huge example of how hatred of Trump will automatically disqualify any opinion that does not support their narrative. Russian propaganda is alive and well and incredibly effective with no signs of stopping.
What I still can't understand is how so many people fell for the really obvious things
Because they don't want to know. It's too scary for most and they put their hands over their ears, close their eyes and go "lalala I can't hear or see you". Iike a 4 yo.
Load More Replies...It's like the Asch conformity experiments -- the ones where some people agreed that two lines were the same length, even when that wasn't true, because everyone else said it was. Asch found that 5% were always willing to deny the evidence of their eyes in something that simple and obvious... and up to 75% could be pressured to conform at least once. And there are a lot of things like that, where you can be pressured to conform with everyone else...
You're right Caro. Also, people would rather double down on their own false beliefs rather than admit they were wrong.
I was extremely interested in the Mueller report but I kept waiting to hear something from the news about what was going on with it and what was going to happen concerning the "meddling" with the election, and other information that was being broadcast on our local news stations, but everything just basically dwindled down to nothing. Of course, I have to take responsibility for my lack of follow through but it's so disturbing that enough people in a position of power to do something about it, didn't care to push the issue either.
I am an avid Last Week Tonight fan, and Iirc they did a segment on it. It was very informative and effing scary!
Here's a link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBj_tU7HRU You can also watch the segments called "Stupid Watergate" (they have more than one.... ) as they touch a similar subject. But the link is to the segment specifically about the Mueller Report
Because the lies are coming from all directions and from their most trusted news source (Fox). Republicans spent over a decade making people think they can trust Fox, and only Fox. I think any of us would fall for "obvious things" repeated often, repeated by many, and sourced from people we trust. (Antivaxxers would claim that's exactly what's happened with the Covid vaccine. But just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it *couldn't*.)
Fox News has disclaimers where they have ti tell the public they are for entertainment purposes only but they overlook that. I still don't understand how you don't do your due diligence and seek out facts. Like this woman Lara that supports trump. She claims only democrats are aligned w dictators but she has no proof of that at all. She's only going by what someone told her. I need to see the proof. I need to see facts. CNN fox daily mail social media they all make stuff up. We all know this. How doesn't Lara know this?
I will never understand this point. How could ANYONE believe that anything said on Fox is news??? The literally have made the argument in court MULTIPLE times that nothing on Fox is correct, but that's because it's "entertainment", not news. In court ... multiple times.
I don't watch CNN, FOX or MSNBC simply for that reason ---- I don't want bias confirmation and infotainment bubbles. Discussions, disagreements, debates, I don't mind. Yelling heads on TV? Pfft, no thanks.
BBC, AP here, too, and sometimes Al-Jazeera or Reuters. If nothing else, a non-US-centric view is useful!
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Gee and you are still falling for it and passing it on and refusing to open your eyes and then damn me for pointing it out.
You have no proof! For f***s sake where is your proof. Anyone can go around accusing people of all kinds of things but you need the proof and facts ti back up those accusations. You're out here saying whatever you want wo proof. You're quoting opinion based articles from entertainment news sources. You quoted an accustom that has not been proven wo any facts to back it up by the daily mail. Western journal is not a real newspaper it's an ultra conservative entertainment based news site. The nypost article was an opinion piece. Not one thing you've written has any quotes or documents or records or signatures or videos or recordings or witnesses that have come forward w proof. Accusations are not facts. Here-say is not fact. What is wrong w you?
K, you can't talk sense into people who are in denial. Always remember it's easier to fool a man than to convince a man he has been fooled. You're dealing with people who refuse to acknowledge any and all truth. It's extremely sad at this point.
I know but sometimes it's so frustrating that I just can't fathom the absolute insanity of it. Especially now when we're all in danger if people believe anymore Russian terroristic lies and propaganda. Can't even imagine if trump gets elected again bc of these continued lies. It only takes one or two of the wrong people to believe this crap.
Laura give it up ffs. Putin has been planning this for years. You still don't stare any facts just lies and opinions. Knock it off and get your s**t together. You don't back putin but you quote Russian talking points from conspiracy laden ultra conservative entertainment "news" sites. Delusional or are you a Russian troll?
I feel and understand everything you're saying. I'm just glad there are people who see the truth.
This issue aside the BBC can get things wrong, same as any news channel. I worked somewhere that gave me some important inside info once and watched them report on it completely inaccurately. You really are welded to a whole lot of misinformation and bad political theory, aren't you? Banging on about 'liberals' and muddling democratic socialism with communism. You are so wide of the mark. Well, in fact you sound completely brainwashed.
Beggars belief doesn't it? How does she manage to fool herself so thoroughly and then have the nerve to accuse others of the very thing she suffers with - and you know she'll never see the irony of it. It's the same with anti-vaxxers. They really want to believe the rubbish that gets spouted. It suits their crazy world view despite mountains of evidence proving them wrong. You offer fact and they just return blinkered unsubstantiated rubbish. Copied directly from some fairly repugnant people usually. Rather sad. I hope I never get to the stage where I'm so welded to my own view that I can't take on board anything different. You've done your best... 👍
No Lara, K is stating FACTS. Things that have been proven! The only one wrapping themselves in ignorance is you, and other conservatives like you. It's sad, really.
Lara once again digging your heels in even though you are completely wrong and utterly brainwashed by all the misinformation you swallowed and still believe after all these years. Twitter has blocked russia and they're no longer dealing w all the misinformation you believe. Get off of Facebook ffs. Stay away from white supremacist/nationalist propaganda. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Matt Gaetz should not be people you idolize. You still never gave any facts just opinions, emotions, and lies. You got brainwashed bc you're lonely, vulnerable, or downright bigoted. What I said was absolutely the truth about the pipeline as well. That article was from may 2021. The pipeline is no longer a working negotiation for merkel or biden. Which means no more pipeline. And no one at all worships biden like you people worship trump
Europe’s energy supply is sufficient to get through the winter, but the Russian invasion of Ukraine has exposed vulnerabilities that need to be addressed, the European Union's energy commissioner said Monday. “We cannot let any third country destabilize our energy markets or influence our energy choices,” the commissioner, Kadri Simson, told reporters after a joint meeting of European Union energy ministers and the European Commission, the bloc’s executive arm, in Brussels. She said the Russian invasion “made our vulnerability painfully clear.” Russia provides nearly 40 percent of the European Union’s natural gas and more than 25 percent of its crude oil. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/business/energy-environment/russia-eu-energy.html#:~:text=Russia%20provides%20nearly%2040%20percent,percent%20of%20its%20crude%20oil.
Their vulnerability was made clear w the pipeline. That's why it had such opposition. Now they are no longer using it. People will have to pay just like the rest of the world until there's better negotiate in place. If putin is killed and someone else is in charge then they can make deals until then they will make deals elsewhere. You're harping on this one thing and it wasn't an underhanded deal done in an elevator at 2am w dirty Russian oligarchs.
Lara I'm going to give you credit here. You did some research and actually found a reputable article w sources and facts. I hope you keep this up. It's the first step in actually getting away from the lies you've been brainwashed to believe. No one but people w something to hide are accepting Russian money now. Look at the republicans look at their money trail w their campaigns look at trumps finances and where he's getting his money still to this day. Tucker Carlson as well is being funded by back door deals w Putin's right hand men. Trumps own children had to admit where they get their funding from after they stole money from the little babies cancer charity and had to take classes that taught them how not to steal.
K Witmer was being honest with you because K is a decent human being. Stop just trying to score points and THINK.
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Your assumptions about me are as wrong as your assumptions about most Americans. And as for the "pipeline" exactly from WHERE is Europe getting it's energy?
Europe is not a country and the short answer is it varies across the different countries. However, natural gas is only about 22% of the energy for Europe. Crude oil is a slightly larger percentage of that smaller provision. Renewable and nuclear are not insignificant. So does that anser some of the where? Oh, and Nordstream2 has filed for bankruptcy on 1st March 2022 and laid off all its staff.
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Of course, despite the "European Union" Europe is NOT a country. However, when addressing supplying energy "Europe’s energy supply is sufficient to get through the winter, but the Russian invasion of Ukraine has exposed vulnerabilities that need to be addressed, the European Union's energy commissioner said Monday." Note that there is a EUROPEAN UNION ENERGY COMMISSIONER and that she said that "EUROPE'S energy supply."
So what? Each country still has it's own individual negotiations outside the bloc but the bloc can also speak for all... I think you don't understand how Europe and how the EU works.
Germany not Europe. Europe is not a country. Germany was only getting half their gas and coal from Russia. Now they are depending on themselves, Austria France w help from the US. They are going sustainable in 13 yrsinstead of 28 years bc of this war. Their gas prices are going to be high but that's how it's going to be everywhere. I only go by what you say as far as assumptions and so far you've told me nothing that's true. You've only parroted Russian trolls and bots word for word while giving me sources from opinion "news" sites that don't have any sources bc they aren't factual news. They are for entertainment purposes only. They make that clear so they do not get sued. The bbc article was from may 2021 and the pipeline wasn't even certified yet. It's no longer in use at all. That's not true for republican senators and congress people and trump that are still being funded by putin that are still being funded
By Putin's oligarchs. You need to start reading actual news sources that give facts and proof w sources to back up every single one of their claims. Associated press, Al Jazeera, bbc world news for example. They must supply the truth backed up w legal documents, direct quotes, signatures, recordings etc not just some guy saying he thinks something is happening.
And you are not most Americans only 33% of voters still believe the crap you believe. I never said you were most Americans. Most Americans like me never fell for the lies bc we never got our news from Facebook, YouTube or tabloids that don't supply sources. I do not watch fox or cnn they are opinion based. Most American voters read the mueller report, most American voters knew the Russians were infiltrating the internet.
AND?? He's not wrong is he about that? He isn't in a situation which is worrying everyone is he? No, couldn't possible be! 🙄 I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make anymore. You've gone from quoting horrible opinions to just quoting without context and any actual thought. Countries were trading and when war happens a mess is created that people try to wade through.
Lara ok this was a negotiation amongst nations all done w complete transparency to benefit every day citizens. They did not praise putin and call him a very great dictator a genius. They did not align themselves w a dictator. They are no longer and haven't been negotiating w him
K you are way more patient than I am. This bit makes me laugh though. Lara is a Russian name! 🤣🤣🤣 The irony!
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