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Some things, whether good or bad, can’t be put into words; they have to be experienced firsthand for a person to understand what they really feel like. For some people, it’s holding their newborn in their hands for the very first time, for others it can be something way less magical, like coming face-to-face with an alligator; but in both cases, there is simply no way to convey the experience with words.

Curious about such instances, redditor u/Slow_Inflation8701 addressed members of the ‘Ask Reddit’ community asking what's something people don't understand until they go through it themselves. Fellow netizens shared their insight covering everything from abuse to parenthood, and much more, so scroll down to find their answers on the list below.

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35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Being with an abuser (mentally, physically, or both) and how hard it is to leave

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This needs to be higher. I'm still recovering from my last GF who used to beat me, and abuse me and then when I wanted out, stalked me.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Depression, actual clinical diagnosed depression.

    If I had a dollar every time I had to explain to someone it’s not “just feeling sad, bro!” and can get over it just like that, I could retire.

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    Flamingo Croquet
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! This is also true for anxiety. A family member of mine suffers from anxiety and I can't count the times my aunts and uncles ask "But what are they anxious about?" This is not how it works!! 🙄

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Having to cut off your family because they are very toxic. It's almost impossible to come off as the reasonable person in this situation to others, even if your life was in danger. People just don't understand

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    OnlyMe
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They totally don't understand. "How could you do that to your mum?" Because she's a fuuckiing biitchh, that's how.

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    The OP told Bored Panda that the reason they decided to start the thread was curiosity. “Just like everything posted on the ‘Ask Reddit’ forum, it's just something that came to mind. I was thinking about my own experiences and I wanted to know what other people's were.”

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    But little did they know that some of the answers would really move them. “I was surprised because I heard things about what people were going through that were unimaginable,” they said.

    “But on the other side of the spectrum, I saw comments of people going through things I have gone through that I fully understand but they explained in a way I could never think to articulate myself. I spent days combing through the comments responding and trying my best to encourage everybody I could.”

    #4

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Chronic debilitating illness and disability. How quickly life can change permanently without you doing anything wrong.

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    Huddo's sister
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So much this! And all of the side effects in your daily life because of it, things you wouldn't think of. Like not being able to cook meals for yourself often, which lead to you eating prepackaged stuff that is not good for you. And there is the devastation of knowing it won't ever change. It might get easier, but never go away completely.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Experiencing the death of someone you love

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    Caro Caro
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The feeling in your gut that you will never be able to give one look and your loved one will know what you want to say. The shared memories, the laughs, little irritating things, a hug, working in the garden together, opening a bottle of good wine in front of the fire... I could go on and on. I was in shock the first few weeks after my husband passed away. And then WHAM it hits you. That's when the loss pulls you down. Thank God for family, friends, cheese and Pandas ❤️

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    #6

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Struggling without anyone or anything to fall back on.

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    lenka
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. My husband didn't understand why all my life decisions have been such massive risks and how failing or falling had dire consequences for me. He was so privileged to have the support of his family. He was never afraid to try anything, take a risk or loose it all because no matter what, he had a family who would catch him.

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    In the redditor’s opinion, the main thing that no one can understand unless they’re going through it themselves is mental illness. “Nobody understands; it's proven true in both society and our healthcare system. Depressed people are lazy for not getting out of bed. People with anxiety are dramatic. People with OCD are said to be compulsive cleaners and neat freaks.

    “Everyone lacks empathy and basic understanding of how mental illness truly works. And it doesn't help that there's people on social media claiming that they love their mental illnesses and it makes them who they are, when there's people like myself suffering and battling daily with our minds. It makes it hard to get through simple tasks,” the OP shared.

    #7

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Not having enough money due to unforeseen circumstances. Not every poor person is poor because of their own decisions. Finances are like traffic, you can do everything right on the road, and have your life completely flipped by some other a*****e driver.

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    KimToo
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Prime example: global pandemic. War or natural disasters will change your fortune in an instant. War reduced my parents went from well educated, middle class teachers to refugees with not a penny to their name.

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    #8

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Sexual assault

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    Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fear is the worst. "Will it happen again?" Answer, probably yes. At least in my case.

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    #9

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Living with PTSD.

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    Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My brother. Four tours in Iraq. Now spends 4th of July in a bathtub with a blanket over his head. it's been ten years.

    Suutashi
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why I now hate firework shows. I don't really understand why we choose to celebrate the end of a war and our nation's founding in a way that imitates the sound of warfare. The same goes for Veteran's day. Why celebrate it in such a way that is terrfying to those we are honoring?

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    Freya the Wanderer
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    PTSD can come from things other than war. People who experience horrible auto accidents, natural disasters, sexual assault and other similar trauma can suffer too.

    AsylumWalker
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    and explaining to people that C-PTSD, from long term trauma, is a whole different beast too. They think i'm trying to jump on the PTSD bandwagon or something.

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    David
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mine was not from war but it gave me empathy for those who have it even worse than I used to. It isn't 'rational' but you feel what you feel even though a part of your brain is rationally saying, "this thing that just triggered you is not that other thing that was real trauma". But you feel the same anyway so the head knowledge isn't very helpful in the moment. It took YEARS for it to fade and the sometimes I realize tiny hints of it still linger.

    Gypsy Lee
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My parents gave all us kids this in spades. One of my brothers was in special forces after 9-11. He died of suici**. There is such a thing as too much.

    Rostit. .
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not just from being in the military either. You can get it all sorts of ways

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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Forgot to mention that above, I knew I forgot something. And the people who say you can't have PTSD, you weren't in the military.

    Candy Sheppard
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Camping in the boonies is very calming because you know how animals are going to act, people not so much

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Mental illness.

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    Huddo's sister
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people don't get it despite having mental illness themselves! My stepdad is a prime example. My sister has ASD, ADHD and anxiety, he has anxiety, but doesn't understand why my mum has to support her so much, because he takes his pills and that means everything is okay for him. It's not that simple with her.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Homelessness.

    NOTHING prepares you for it, no amount of knowledge about “ resources “ street smarts etc prepares you for the devastation that is homelessness when you’re not mentally Ill or high to the hills.

    You quickly learn all the “ resources “ we like to lie to each other about and pretend those “ lazy bums “ have are a crock of s**t.

    Shelters are dangerous, filthy, abhorrent places , understaffed and simply don’t have the funding to do much good.

    Yiu can get food assistance, but that’s about it.

    Everything is a waiting game, rapid rehousing in most of the country isn’t rapid, youl be on a waiting list for ever, AND when politicians want to save a few bucks or show how fiscally conservative they are, guess who’s funding gets cut first?!

    Never mind the trauma of never having privacy, a bathroom, a place to sleep safely, a place to keep any belongings without them being stolen, the constant threat of being robbed in your sleep or assaulted if you’re female, or maybe some teens feel like pelting you with eggs. Etc

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    Squirrelly Panda
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many who experience homelessness for the first time become mentally ill and/or addicted because it is so very devastating. It certainly changes you, often on a very primal level.

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    #12

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Anxiety or The Anxious feeling of something bad always feels like it’s going to happen, and imagining things before they even happen and not being able to cope.

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    Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The panic monster has been on my back all week. He's like some kind of bogyman. Always behind me these days. Usually about five minutes of spinning waking nightmares and then a few minutes of vomiting and I can get back to work again. i tell my coworkers they're just "dizzy spells".

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves How extremely devastating being on cheated is. It's a truly sickening feeling in your gut, and nothing in your life is the same afterward. Some people are never the same ever again, others take over a decade to go back to normal. But that initial feeling is the worst. The suspicionions, the adrenaline as the truth unfolds, the severe depression, and the imagination all come together to bring you one of life's most devastating experiences.

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    Lexekon
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That can be made exponentially worse, when you hear from others how she reversed the roles when explaining your relationship to new lovers, because they wanted to be the one to 'swoop in and be the hero'. Why worse, some could ask, because it means she knows exactly how badly she treated you, and was manipulative enough to use it for self benefit. I lost years trying to unwind that nightmare in my head.

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    #14

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Losing a child.

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    Andy Cran
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it never stops hurting....losing both parents was far less painful, naturally expect parents to depart this mortal coil before us....but a child,I lost my only child some years back (he was 21) ...it does something to one's soul

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    #15

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Nerve pain

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Babies who don't sleep. Especially if you have more than one child. It's relentless, unending torture from a tiny being who you love with everything you have but find yourself having terrible thoughts about. You plead and beg, soothe and hug, rant and yell, nothing works, they don't care, they won't sleep.

    Every time you close your eyes, you know it might be 5 minutes or 2 hours or 20 minutes or 3 hours before you'll get woken again, and you have to go back in and be the best version of yourself for this tiny human.

    If you have other kids, you then wake at day break (if you've slept at all) and then your other little ones wake, who also need you. It's not their fault you're completely deranged from the nightly torture, they need their Mum as well. Be on your game or struggle with the guilt, exacerbated by your exaggerated emotions as you're Just. So. Tired.

    Driving becomes dangerous, you can't sort reality or process things, and again - small people who have no sense of the effect their regular little kid behaviour has, no empathy, just unleashing and you have to cop it and be a good Mum. And this is night, after night, after night, relentless, no hope in sight and no energy to summon any. And there's no real way to tell anyone how tired you are because there's no way to communicate a tiredness that is a physical weight you feel, like your body and mind don't belong to you any more but you've still got to perform.

    Sleep deprivation is a war crime and babies are tiny terrorists. It's hell.

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    Tamra
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I relate so much to this. That level of exhaustion and sleep deprivation is hard to describe, but OP did well. I was at a point where I literally wasn't sure how I'd get through the next day and would just burst into tears because it all seemed so impossibly hard. Lack of sleep for an extended period of time really is hell.

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    #17

    Having an abortion. When Roe was overturned I had to hear everyone's opinion on abortion at work (both sides). It's such a talked about 'hot button' issue that people don't really think about the fact that if you are in a room with 10 women, you are probably in a room with one who has had an abortion, and they might not want to hear what you think about it. Whatever side of the line you fall on.

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    Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was in Highschool I had a friend who had one at 12yo. Think about forcing a child to carry a child. This is what's happening in a post Roe world.

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    Having a child with special needs

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    David A Paterson
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! This needs to be higher. Having a child with a severe physical disability or a severe mental illness, or prone to violence, or all three, is the most soul-destroying experience you can imagine. And nobody understands who hasn't been through the experience, everybody blames the parents when the child misbehaves.

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    #19

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Losing a parent at a young age. You’re not sad because you miss them. You’re sad because you were robbed of ever knowing them.

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    October
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It changes you at the core. I lost my mom at nine years old and it is incomparable to loosing a parent later in life. My father died when I was an adult and it was deeply saddening, but loosing my mom so young turned me into a completely different person.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Having a disability

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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    especially if you are undiagnosed and you grow up and diagnose yourself and realize your life could have been so different if you were diagnosed as a child.

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    #22

    Panic attacks

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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Trying to hide them when they happen in front of people, but it's hard to get a breath. Hyperventilating, sweating, and eventually vomiting.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves How bad toxic people and gaslighting are. The thing about that kind of abuse is that you never feel it like you would pbysical abuse. I know when I'm being punched, I don't know when I'm being gaslighted.

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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To me the physical abuse was so much easier to heal from than the malicious deception The mental abuse leaves far deeper wounds.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Birth. We all know it's "hard" but sometimes even the baby books and videos don't prepare you for what could happen. When I had my son my placenta adhered to my uterine wall. Resulting in me nearly bleeding out. When my water broke it was ALL dark blood. And when I got to the hospital after my water broke I stood up and immediately heard a splash and a HUGE pile of dark red blood pooled on the floor beneath my feet. I had to have a c section after being in labor for almost two days and failing to progress. And on the table they tried pulling it out just a little and I felt EVERYTHING. I started bleeding out and they let me see my son and I was told that there was something wrong with my placenta and they had to put me under. I was intubated and given iron transfusions and blood transfusions over a two week period on top of healing from a c section.

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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even an entirely smooth pregnancy and birth is difficult. I’m not a mother but a medical student and watching pregnant patients giving birth is one of the most painful things I’ve had to witness. Even if it’s watching teaching videos about labour and delivery, it’s hard to keep watching and I often look away. I’m not fazed by blood and body parts and can watch any other procedure and even open surgeries without any issue. Kudos to all moms out there for going through what is childbirth!

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    #25

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Grief.

    When it’s been a a while since, it’s common for people to say something like, “it’s been a few years, move on.”

    It truthfully doesn’t work that way. You remember them forever. And even when times after are extremely good and happy, a little part of you is looking in that empty corner.

    Don’t say the “move on” thing to grieving people. It truthfully is great that you don’t relate, grieving people don’t want you to try and relate. They’re in the middle of a process that, at least in some ways, lasts forever.

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    Jill Rhodry
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was stuck for a long time before I realised that I didn't have to 'move on' but I could instead try to 'move forward' and that I could take my grief with me.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Addictions.

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    Tamra
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, this is definitely one of those things that's hard to truly understand if you haven't experienced it. Even with all the knowledge we have today regarding addiction, there are still people who assume it's solely some sort of moral failing. It isn't.

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    Dieing. Getting old. I'm 84 and, while I'm ok, lots of activities, tons of pain, low energy. It is nothing like I imagined and before that final exit, there are a lot more surprises. (One of the interesting things is that I have NO fear, but maybe that will change. lol)

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    Rick
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One thing one that I do not understand is why no one educates young people how awful it is getting old. Physical and mental functions that you have had all your life start to deteriorate and there is nothing you can do about it except die or take meds to prolong a declining situation.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Working in customer service

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Blindness, or bad eyes in general.

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    Huddo's sister
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've never known any different (though the time between the hole in my eye being fixed and when I started needing to wear glasses it was not an everyday problem, but I did still have to get check ups all the time).

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    #31

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Cancer.

    What it really means to go through cancer treatment.

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    Barbara
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I survived, but two years of treatment left so many physical and mental scars. Especially the sometimes disabling fear that it will come back.

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    #32

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Having real OCD.

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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Upvote for the heading! And not just 'OCD' that means you like things clean. OCD is debilitating and exhausting....

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    #33

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Miscarriage. It's truly devastating.

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    Leigh James
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At the very least, women are beginning to share and talk about the devastation and other myriad of emotions from experiencing a miscarriage(s). P.S. - You can try again is not helpful.

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    #34

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Car crashes

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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes been in a few, one quite bad. Hit from behind at full speed by a large SUV. No braking .Car written off and car in front of me also written off. Spend quite a while pretty nervous about driving

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    #35

    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves How unprepared you are for a physical fight. Most people way overestimate their abilities.

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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Got beat up a few times as a kid so my parents enrolled me in a karate class. Once it became known no one really picked on me because there was this impression that if you knew karate you were instantly invincible or something. Only actually used what I had learned once as an adult. Outside a bar one night a guy was harassing me. When he came at me, I had no place to run so I gave hit him with a spinning back kick that crumpled him to the ground (much to my own amazement). I immediately got in my car and left. Could never do that again in a thousand years.

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    #37

    Growing up with parents that abuse alcohol and substances.

    And constant bullying.

    It follows you forever, you grow up in fear, you don't know how a healthy relationship looks like etc. It will mess you up.

    In the time others learn how to socialise, how to form meaningful relationships and who you are as a person. You learn how to stay quiet, how to handle random acts of emotional terror, how to take care of your parents and siblings. You learn to survive, not to thrive.

    You learn what it means to be really lonely in a room full of people, because nobody understands you. They can't. They don't realise and you grow up thinking it's normal, until you realise it's not.

    You can learn all of that later, but you will always lag behind the others.

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    #38

    Being stalked. The constant of being on guard, the fear, the adrenaline, the need to be educated and prepared and armed, the complete absence of trust in all you once believed about the goodness inside people... It exacts a hefty toll. And still the thought creeps in, years upon years later, when will that individual return and repeat.

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    Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    TWO YEARS! And two stalkers. She was coming at me from my work. Claimed to be my wife/mother/family. He was after me because I was dating the woman he was obsessed with. When they caught him, he had 37 cell phones in his car and thank god for California gun laws because he threw a warrant when he tried to buy a gun. He hung himself in county. She... She's still out there. I'm still scared.

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    I mean in my case having a very good relationship of ten years end abruptly because your partner started talking to someone from a cult, got brainwashed, and left to be with them.

    Never in a million years thought this would happen to us. And I'm so tired of people telling me how she is wrong because she was "looking" for someone else. Like she was on tinder or something. That's not what happened and no matter how much I try to explain to my friends and family they just don't get it.

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    35 Things People Can Only Fully Comprehend After Going Through Them Themselves Super high stress events. People, even me at times, will say that they will do something or how they will react to a super high stress event. I work in a career where you can be sitting at a table and chatting with co workers and the next second, you have the largest adrenaline dumps of your life. Lots of people will say they will react a certain way, but most people will freeze if they haven't been though events like that often. I still to this day make that same mistake more often that I'd like to admit.

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    Jon Steensen
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah and I think this is especially true for all those "Tough guys" who thinks that owning a gun will keep them out of trouble, and imagine that they will take on the part of hero if they ever had to shoot somebody. However history shows that unless you are trained soldier, that is not what people usually do when the bullets start flying, so unless you have actually been in such a life and death situation, you have absolutely nothing to go on when it comes to predicting how you will react.

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    Being in a terrible relationship. I always saw s****y couples and thought to myself “I’ll never be in a relationship like that. If I were in a relationship like tha one I would leave in a second.” The wife and I are now in something of a “rough patch/rough everything all the time” in our marriage and I get really get it now.

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    Andy Cran
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    thinking in terms of "my wife and I" might be a start to a better relationship

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    Parenthood.

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    Rick
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Parenthood is great if you fully grasp and immerse yourself in the role that you are totally responsible for nuturing an innocent opened minded child to adulthood.

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