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It’s oddly satisfying to be a hater. Whether it’s pineapple on pizza, reality TV, or that one coworker who always talks over everyone—it just feels so good to vent about what bothers us.

But according to folks under this Reddit thread, some things get more flak than they deserve and could use a little more love. Scroll down to see what they had to say, upvote the ones you agree with, and let us know in the comments if there’s anything else you think deserves more appreciation!

#1

65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve People who choose to be child free. Some people just don't want kids, and that's fine.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is fine, although I am not childless. What's nerve wrecking is the constant bashing from both sides, like it is some kind of religion.

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve People who choose not to drink who aren't recovering alcoholics or pregnant.

People who do drink but have decided they don't feel like drinking that night. Their reasoning being they simply don't want to.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There seems to be such a pressure from people for you to drink... I hate spending 10 minutes explaining that I don't drink because I just don't want to (which is a perfectly fine reason).

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Spiders. They eat things you don't want in your house. Try and leave them alone.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I learned to tolerate spiders during lockdown. At some point I even named one of them, and used to greet it every morning :)))

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Sitting idle. I hate it when it's labelled as "wasting time". You need some time for your brain to slow off and just exist. It's not a crime.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've learnt that ''to sit' and 'to rest' are both verbs, so I AM doing something when I choose these activities (particularly necessary for someone who has chronic fatigue, and particularly difficult for someone who was brought up by a mother who never stopped, and thought sitting except when at the dinner table was the height of laziness. These two facts may or not be related...)

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Changing your mind. People act like it's a sign of weakness, but it actually shows growth. Admitting you're wrong or seeing things differently is how you evolve, not something to be ashamed of.

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4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I particularly dislike people who go on some famous' person Twitter, find a racist tweet from 14 years ago (that they already profusely apologized for) and try to cancel them for it. People change, you can't hold something they said a decade ago against them now, unless they still say the same thing.

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Sleeping in. People act like you're a useless member of society if you sleep past 10.

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4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I can't go to bed before 3 AM, and then I sleep in until 11, that's not a sign of "laziness". That's my chronotype.

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Pineapple on pizza! It gets so much hate, but honestly, the sweet and salty combo is pretty solid. It’s not for everyone, but the amount of outrage it causes is way over the top for a simple pizza topping. Let people enjoy their food!

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4 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I make my own, I use smoked streaky bacon, onions, green peppers, green and black olives, mushrooms, pineapple, mozzarella and cheddar cheese. It's my comfort autumn food.

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Pensioners. I’m fed up of defending myself on Reddit for the crime of being old. The venom thrown at pensioners is totally disgusting and would create a lifetime ban if it was directed at any other group/ colour/ religion.
Please stop generalising that all boomers are wealthy. Yeah, some are and I’m as jealous as the next person, with my pathetic pension. I’ve worked all my life, but did not have the means to have a huge pension pot. I did have a house, but was forced out by an abusive ex husband. I’m single but still have to pay full bills and the rent is almost half my income. This year, it’s eating or heating. I’m not moaning- just stating facts and I’m certainly not alone in this situation. It’s hard being poor, but even harder reading the hatred ….

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3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry to hear what you're going through. That sounds really hard. I'm in a similar financial situation due to a disability. I'm Gen X, but I don't like all this "Boomer" bashing either. It's not fair. Neither is the bashing of the younger generations. How did the generation gap get so big?

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#9

Long term trauma sufferers ("you should be over it by now", "suck it up" etc).

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These people are so f*****g rude and entitled (and possibly narcissists themselves). Who are you to tell me how long or how much I should suffer? Have you been there when it happened? Have you endured the same? If not, don't miss the great opportunity to keep your mouth shut.

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Fast food workers. Most of y'all have no idea how hard we actually work, or how horribly y'all treat us for no reason whatsoever.

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3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not one of y'all, or from a country where we say that. I would never dream of being rude to any service personnel. Or anyone who didn't treat me rudely first!

#11

65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Other people's interests. People love to just ***HATE*** things like they're a movie hero with a vengeance. My boy, it literally doesn't affect you, f*****g chill.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People making fun of you for being an adult and still love the things you did as a child : Barbie, my little pony, the Winx... Just because you grow up doesn't mean you have to give up on everything you loved for years.

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Transgender people. We're not corrupting children or anything, that's just the lie they're trying to use to turn us into the latest political football.

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4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think people should stop criticing other chouiches expecially if they dont affect others

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Gen Z. There's nothing wrong with them they're just being young and immature because they ARE young. They're not "doomed" again they're being young and participating in fads just like you did. The stuff you did when you were their age was just as dumb, just as cringeworthy and made the older generations "lose faith" in. Then what happened? You grew up and matured.

The stuff that's catered towards them isn't dumbed down or soulless or basic or mind numbing. It's just catered towards a young demographic, which you are not. You aren't the target audience, that's why you don't get it. You're not meant to as it's not for you.

Millennials got the same hate, as did Gen X and Boomers and so on. And they all grew up, eventually Gen Z will and then everyone will hate on Gen Alpha for [damaging] whatever industries and being entitled and not knowing what real work is and whatever buzzwords people always use to hate on the latest generation of youths.

Also while I'm at it, people "glued to their phones" there's this weird assumption that if I or any other person under 40 is on their phone they're just rotting their brain or d**king around or are on social media. First of all everyone looks at their phones not just Gen Z and Millennials. Second of all a phone these days is an everything in one device. It's a calender, it gives you the time, it gives you news, it allows you to send important emails, read books, look at timetables, write notes. Someone "glued to their phone" could be doing any of that kind of stuff.

If you didn't give people in the past s**t for constantly reading books, reading a newspaper, writing their schedule for the day. looking at their watch and so on, why are you giving people, particularly young people, s**t now for it? Because the platform they do that stuff has changed? Everyone still does that stuff. The only thing that's changed is the platform: It's all now on a phone. Think about that the next time you're on a bus or subway and see everyone "glued to their phones".

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#14

Men who are in touch with their feelings and they express them. Men who are sensitive are constantly put down due to toxic masculinity. Both men and women s**t on guys who exteriorize their emotions uninhibitedly in a gentle kindhearted manner and deem them unmanly, describe them as too feminine, plus many other more grotesque words and phrases. And crying is viewed as a sign of weakness.

Women have emotions. Men do too. It’s indisputable that all humans have emotions. High emotional availability is something that should absolutely not be seen as exclusive to any specific gender, age or race. It’s a universal human condition. It’s nothing to be ashamed of and NO ONE should be belittled or bullied for having or displaying completely valid and sincere emotions nor for possessing the ability to communicate them.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am one of those men... Always have been! My solution to the way other perceive it?! Only surrounding myself with friends and family that accept it and see it as something normal! It does not change the world, but it changes MY world!

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#16

Late-diagnosed autistic women.

It’s become very chic to poop on “hOw tRenDy aUtisM Is lAteLy!!! Stupid TikTok making awkward a*****e women think they have something they don’t!”

But like… girls and women have had autism just as much as men and boys have… they’ve just been horrendously under-diagnosed for decades, meaning we haven’t had access to resources like appropriate forms of therapy, much needed school and work accommodations… many of us were incorrectly diagnosed with mood disorders, with treatments which DO NOT WORK for autistics and often cause harm…

So yeah, you tell ‘em - go berate these often traumatized and struggling women, who are finally getting access to the self-knowledge to better accommodate themselves!!! :(.

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3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thanks to social conditioning we also tend to be better at masking.

#17

Cats and specifically how they’re often considered to be less affectionate than dogs! My kitty is a total sweetheart and is way more personable and affectionate than my dog was (to be clear, he wasn’t mean or anything, he was mostly just concerned with finding his next meal).

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just watched two hour-long Nova specials about dogs and cats. There's actually been a fair amount of research - various behavioral tests, MRI's etc. The result was clear. Dogs care more about people than cats do. Which is not to say that cats don't care, but they are actually more motivated by food. They are also closer to their wild ancestors than dogs are. And wild cats are all more or less solitary, while dogs' wolf ancestors are of course pack animals. The MRI's actually showed the approval and affection are more important to dogs than food is. It's not hard to believe these results if you think about the differences between dog and cat behavior.

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#18

I still don't really get why being considered woke is bad or why something being woke is bad. I don't really get how when a black person appears in a TV show, now it's considered "woke" but in the 2000s it wasn't? For example how is current day Power Rangers woke but Mighty Morphin Power Rangers not when it had the same kinda diverse cast? I genuinely just don't get it.

It's like those people on Youtube ranting about X-Men 97 "It's woke!!! ITS WOOOKKE!!" Yeah? And? It was still pretty good. Everyone I know who watched it liked it too. And on top of that what the f**k did you EXPECT from the X-Men? They did no different to any previous X-Men stuff regarding the mutant thing. Only cause now it's 2024 it's "woke"

In fact, I don't really know what "woke" even is I constantly get a different answer every time. Feels like it's such an overused buzzword now that's used as basically "I don't like it" I think I've seen everything get called woke at this point.

Seriously, you afraid you're gonna burst into flames if you watch something woke?

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#19

Being kind. Kind people should be looked up to as a good example, not looked down on as "weak".

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Absolutely! Being kind costs nothing but it might just be someone's everything when kindness is shown to them.

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Being a stay at home mom.
hangry_yomom: Seriously! I'm so sick of people asking me, "what do you do all day?" Or people expecting me to have unlimited free time. I am so busy helping little humans grow. Also, shout out to stay at home dads, they get so much judgment from society.

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3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think the issue is SAHMs. It's the influencers who try to act as if they are better than other people for living a trad lifestyle and also tend to be monetizing (and traumatizing) their children. They also tend to be anti-science and everything that goes with that. My stepdaughter is a SAHM and my only worry is that she won't have a retirement fund she has built.

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It seems like when people imagine an adult who lives with their parents they just picture some unemployed unattractive balding fat guy who plays video games all day like what cartoons and sitcoms would have you believe. I've seen people literally raging in reddit posts about adult children who live at home with hundreds of people calling them "pieces of s**t" and "moochers" in the most casual way I've seen. Some of the adult children mentioned in the posts aren't even 20 yet and expected to already know how to do everything on their own. It's so weird to me that the first assumption people have is that they must be lazy and entitled or coddled, and not that they could be going through something mentally or need the right kind of guidance.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Me, my brother and my father built our house for the last 20 years... When it finally got finished, it was only my parents living in that big a*s house by themselves! I'm 40 and moved in with them, living on an entire floor and I'm not a mooch, nor am I a fat balding guy! I did this to help them out financially and physically, as they're growing older and they also have a vegetable garden and some chickens! I pay almost all the bills, buy more than half of the groceries and do half of the cleaning and cooking! Now tell me how is that to blame?!

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Vegan food. It doesn't taste as horrible as people make it out to be. And alot of "regular" food is vegan and people don't realize that.

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3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would posit that food is not vegan. Oxford dictionary defines Vegan as "a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products." There are dishes that vegans eat but the dish itself is not a person therefore it is not, and can not be vegan. It is just a vegetable dish.

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Androids. People with iphones think they have some diamond when most of the time they have a phone android has already had for years.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Never had an Apple phone and I don't intend to! i don't need a phone that can mostly only get paid apps! I'm surprised Apple isn't charging a cost for the Calculator or alarm clock on those phones! Plus, their phones cost waaaay too much and don't offer anything more than an Android phone.

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Furries. they’re just people who dress up, i don’t get why they recieve like death threats and stuff over some cat ears.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another group of people not bothering me, so I'm happy for them to do their thing. It sounds like fun tbh.

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Any hobby, movie or book series that is particularly popular amongst women and girls.

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People in their 20s who choose to have pets instead of kids.

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4 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is not really a thing. There are people in their 20s who choose to have pets and to not have kids, but one is not a substitute for the other.

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ADHD and the d***s that treat it, they are unbelievably helpful for a mental illness that people dont rly appreciate for how bad it can be.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's also because so many people claim to have adhd who actually no not have it. As for the drügs, well yes they can be misused, and students trying to get hold of adderal because it helps them to study is something that actually happens.

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#28

Kinks. We all got them. Very few are honest with them.

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4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I tend to consider my self ab-normal and shameful for what I desire and like

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Taylor swift. I get the urge to make fun of her and her fan base, but at the same time, credit where credit is due.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not consciously aware of having ever heard anything she's written/performed. She's not my choice as a style of music, but is plenty popular, so must have something going for her. She doesn't impact me, so I leave her alone as well.

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Poor people. with us all you rich f***s would have to do everything yourself.

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Bees! we will die out within like 10-20 years without bees!!!

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Vegetables.

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3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Frickin love em. Check out that tightly formed cauliflower head - cheese sauce, here we come! Some brightly coloured carrots grated up with a mustard vinaigrette. Yellow courgette risotto! Beetroot and orange with feta cheese. Gimme, gimme, gimme!

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Shows made for kids. Too many people get waaaaay bent out of shape about tv, but I notice grown adults critiquing shows for children like they're expecting it to be Shakespeare. It's weird behavior.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How people behave with Disney. They treat all the old movies like the Holy Grail but sh*t on the new ones because "in my time it was better". In your time there was also blatant racism and sexism in Disney movies but alright, let's insult the goat of Wish for wearing a onesie.

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#35

Honestly- overweight people. Not dating one is fine but the way people talk about us or treat is just mind blowing in the worst way. I’m a person with feelings not an ogre.

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Picky eaters.

People take it waaay the f**k too personally.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are polite picky eaters and they don't bother me at all. But there's also picky eaters who just yell "ew" loudly at every sign of food they don't like, and that's just rude.

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#37

Customer service I believe working in customer service would make people more empathetic. It could solve a lot of problems.

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3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It just made me hate most people, honestly. But I do respect service staff very much!

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#38

Politically incorrect jokes. The world needs to get a sense of humour and learn how to laugh at itself.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Non-PC jokes are usually laughing at others though. Laughing at yourself is a whole other thing, and something almost every demographic does.

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#39

Law enforcement and military. It is sad that the media gets people hating police or security officers over the 1-2% instead of stressing how the over 97% are just out their truly trying to help. It is like if you have a bad teacher and hate them all or hate restaurant servers because one was rude or lazy, start hating all servers.

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2 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The violence oriented bullies I had to endure as a kid became police officers. In this modern world one would think there should be some kind of psychological screening where an applicant is asked why they want to be in law enforcement. If beating up people is their motivation, they should be rejected.

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#40

Comic sans. Yes it’s not the most pretty font of all time but. Its Really not That bad.

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4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Comic sans is, apparently, one of the easier fonts for dyslexics to read, so it’s definitely got something going for it.

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#41

Liking popular things is hated on more than it should be. Enjoying mainstream trends doesn't make someone's tastes less valid, yet it’s often dismissed as being unoriginal.

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Nickelback. No, they're not amazing, but neither are they the worst thing to happen to rock music. They put out a few bangers ("Photograph" not among them, though).

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People who don't like pets. People who like non-mammal pets.

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4 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’m sick of the whole ‘If you don’t love dogs it’s a red flag’ b******t.

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#45

Zipper merging 

Ffs sake people use up the lanes and zipper merge. Trust the experts - it’s moves traffic faster. .

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1 hour ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I could be wrong about you, and if so, I apologize in advance. The way you state this comes across as you being one of those people that see a "merge right" sign and a long line of traffic in the right lane, and still go all the way to the end of the left lane to merge. That, to me is line jumping and rude. If there is a long line of cars in one lane, that means they have already merged and you are just jumping the queue.

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#46

Playing video games.

You play video games for a couple hours? You're lazy.

You watch Netflix for a few hours? Normal and fine.

At least video games have the ability to engage your brain and hand-eye coordination.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And it's not because you only play the Sims or exploration games that you're not a "true gamer". A gamer is someone to play games, that's all.

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65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Tofu. It only sucks when people try to use it replace everything. Mapo tofu is delicious, as is agedashi tofu.

Edit: I forgot soondubu jjigae is a top five soup for me.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My hubby makes an amazing cheese-fake with silken tofu because I can't eat dairy. It's delicious in the right contexts.

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#48

The word "moist." I think everyone hates it because the internet said to, ten years ago.

Edit: if you’re going to comment some variation of “I’ve hated the word for longer than ten years” or “only women hate that word bc women bad”, please spare us, it’s already been said dozens of times.

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#49

Smash mouth. It’s not their fault the songs were super popular and over used in every movie.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sort of is their fault. People wouldn't be using their songs if they didn't sell them.

#50

"Disney Adults" get so much hate and shame. I don't see the problem with an adult enjoying something, and it makes me sad seeing them get ripped to shreds over a harmless interest/passion. Adults enjoying a theme park, character, or esthetic isn't hurting anyone.

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#51

Women wearing makeup. Not every woman looks like Alicia keys without makeup. And even she looks better with it than without it. As a man if it were socially acceptable for me to wear makeup to look better you better believe I would take full advantage of that. Makes no damn sense.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look back at the New Romantics of the 80s and 90s. Most of the guys wore just as much make up as we girls did and some wore it better! There's nothing wrong with wearing make up if you want to guys.

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#52

A bit late to the party here but I find have encountered (to me) surprising amount of hatred with mathematics and statistics. I would think that subjects such as this would be very neutral as they are just tools like language or anything else, but I guess the very neutral and impersonal/cold hard facts nature of them can make people very hostile.

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5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True, bring up data and statistics about climate science and see what kind of response you get.

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#54

Tootsie Rolls my beloved...

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#55

Hot take: The Twilight Saga. I think it’s a fun book to read even if it’s not well written.

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#56

Yellow starbursts. Best flavor hands down.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The best thing about being team Lemon is that since nobody else likes them, I got free hand me down candy.

#57

Marvel movies! The majority of them are really good contrary to what some critics say….

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#58

Anchovies. Ever tried them with a block of sharp cheddar and crackers? Not bad at all.

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#59

Driving a prius, there's about a million different hybrid cars on the road, but for some reason the prius still gets all the hate.

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4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The brand new ones look desirable, the previous models were ugly, I went in one and the ride was so wobbly I was feeling car sick

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#60

65 Surprising Things That Get Way More Hate Than They Deserve Self checkout, I will almost always walkout without what I want if there are queues and no self checkout, no way I’m waiting in line in 2024.

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1 hour ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I only use self checkout when I have one or two items and don't want to wait. They don't lower the prices if you do self checkout, so I don't use it. I already have to bag my own stuff at the grocery store even if I use a full service checkout line.

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#61

The Big Bang Theory. Yeah, I agree it's gone on too long and not that good, but I think it's relatively inoffensive for the most part.

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#62

Clowns, we've vilified them in popular culture and so many people have heebie-jeebies about them now because of the change in how they are perceived. Before it was the minority that were scared of clowns, now, it seems that any clown is fair game to be considered creepy. It saddens me and I wonder how much damage it has done to the reputation, careers and the future of clowns and clowning.

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#63

Those little orange and white Halloween candies, they're absolutely delicious but everyone seems to dislike them lol

Give em over here! I'll eat em!

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#64

Carrot Top - Met him a few times. Was really a chill dude and in our brief conversations he was funny and smart.

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#65

People annoyed at climate/oil protestors when they’re trying to help us avoid climate disaster.

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6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not when they're glued to the bloody road or climbing a motorway gantry they're not.

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