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The Meta-Anti-Propaganda In Photos I Took On My Trip To North Korea
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The Meta-Anti-Propaganda In Photos I Took On My Trip To North Korea

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Conscious that the very idea of propaganda often stretches the truth (or the lie), I always wanted to experience empirically the land of North Korea.

This September I finally had the possibility of turning my will into reality, as I visited Pyongyang, DMZ, the Diamond Mountain and more. And it appears it doesn’t seem as bad as the world wants to convince you it is. A lot has changed since Kim Jong Un came to power.

Don’t get me wrong; I am aware that I had been shown only a part of this country. But even so, if you’re being told by someone that they’ve brought ‘illegal’ photos from DPRK, please note that for example taking photos in North Korea is as legal as taking it anywhere else in the world. Of course, you are limited as where to go by your security and the tight schedule of the trip, but other than that, you can take photos as far as your camera shoots them. And no action is taken against you taking them out of the country; I haven’t had the memory cards of my camera checked and neither did any other member of the group of my trip. Anyway, please enjoy a fraction of life in the DPRK!

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    Me in the DMZ. What you can see behind me is the South Korea

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    Suburban areas of Pyongyang

    Putong River on the way from the airport

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    Stainless railings and the quality of the road are ought to convince the tourists and new-comers of Pyongyang’s well being.

    On my way to the hotel

    Early afternoon in the Capital of North Korea

    You think the British like to que? I think that the culture of queing in DPRK is even higher

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    Everyone’s standing in line and waiting for their turn, no pushing, no angry atmosphere, just politely waiting for the bus.

    Even in the country of Eternal Sun, there happens to be a sunset

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    Do you really think that “Kim doesn’t want you to see these pictures”?

    The entrance to one of many Funfairs in the Capital. Even in my hometown there is none!

    Is it an avenue in the most socialist and usurper country in the world or a lane in Los Angeles? You tell me

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    Unfortunately, I don’t think you can call these buildings inhabited in a satisfactory degree.

    The Kim-Ir-Sung Square. This is where all those parades you hear from the country’s national news happen

    This is a view from my hotel window. It looks awesome, right?

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    Pyongyang by night. But don’t worry about wasting so much electricity. Everything is shut down about midnight.

    Picturesque countryside. This is a photo you can call prohibited, as it depicts a soldier

    But taking pictures of soldiers you can consider limited in most countries in the world, including the ones we call ‘civilized’.

    Everyone can see the poverty, but it is not different than any other form most Asian countries

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    Don’t think his job is useless and created for the sole purpose of creating jobs in view of the socialist ideas. There is traffic; we are in a bus after all, aren’t we?

    The main mean of transport is either by foot or by bike. That’s rather eco-friendly and Netherlandish of them, right?

    There’s a big number of these kiosks with snacks and food articles around the country (that are either red or white)

    A typical ‘traffic jam’. Notice the red flags that are waving by the road; it is quite a common view

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    Our bus we drove around the country with. Our guide, Song, is standing by the entrance. She spoke English and Russian and was pretty awesome

    The Ninth Muse, and simultaneously a big love of Kim Jong Il

    Folklore street in Pyongyang

    You know what? Koreans also like to BBQ and are very hospitable. After all, I got a chicken leg, 100 ml of vodka in a yogurt cup and a little plate with spices

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    In many tourist stops, like this waterfall, new stands begin to appear with souvenirs and food

    Picnicking Koreans

    Now that’s a treat! During my stay I got the chance to take part in Pyongyang International Beer Festival

    And yes, it is still in this ‘terrifying country’, not in Europe or US

    I came across a group of children carrying flowers for the dear comrades Kim Ir Sung and Kim Jong Il

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    A bus stop. The city lacks benches, so Koreans tend to squat

    The Ryugyong Hotel, or, as it is also called, The Ghost Hotel

    Its construction begun in 1987 and as of 2016 it still remains unfinished and unopen.

    The breathtaking Metro station inspired by Moscow’s underground masterpieces of architecture

    Casual street view in Pyongyang

    If you happen to see a car in DPRK the are always mind-blowing and dissonance-creating between them and the reality that surrounds them

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    The city is kept clean, but none of the work is done by automatic devices

    These gentlemen not only are just doing the all-so-important job of holding posters in place, but they also closely watch the tourists

    Somewhere in Korea

    Even in the highest tourist point in one of the National Parks, there are already locals trying to make a living

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    Tiny Dynamine
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What you are showing here is a version of propaganda. You were only allowed to see certain places there, ones which the officials think will look quite good to other countries. It is just a form of cherry picking, which most people do with their holiday photos anyway. Plus your images of scenery don't say a thing about the quality of life for the citizens whose lives will be in constant poverty.

    Gwinevere von Ludwig
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    exactly, Tiny Dynamine! Also, only a select group of people get to live in the capital...

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    Violaine LB
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't believe Bored Panda would agree to publish these pictures with this text. For the record, Nazi Germany also had pretty stunning monuments and food and beautiful landscapes; it was still a country that actively sought Jewish people and organised their mass-murder. Nobody cares about whether North Korea looks "nice" or if the food is amazing or if they have lovely blue rivers. It doesn't make it "not as bad as we believe". It's still a place where people have no rights, where there is no freedom of speech, where people are interned for having different political views, where tourists have to be followed by a guide everywhere they go, where rape is used as a weapon against female prisoners, where forced abortions are practiced, where there is forced labor (just like in Nazi work camps), where people cannot choose their religion. I struggle to see how it is "not that bad" and how it could be worse. But yay! You can picnic by the river and they even have a beer festival!

    Paul
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you. It's amazing how so many people think that a proctored trip to North Korea gives them the right to ignore the first-hand accounts from refugees of the Nazi Germany scale atrocities that are going on there. It's exactly like going to Nazi Germany pre-WW2 and getting a official Josef Goebels tour of Berlin, and then coming back and saying, "All the media reports about the Jew are kinda wrong 'cause life is pretty good for the Germans." Naivety and egoism ("I've been to North Korea. So there.") all rolled into one.

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    Master Markus
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But there are also people in North Korea in internment camps for crimes their ancestors committed so... yeah, maybe there's a reason we think it's bad.

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    8 years ago

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    Alright, but there are also countries where children are slaving away in factories or for example the death penalty for minor offenders is in place, and still we don't tend to call them regimes, don't we?

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    Hans
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The pictures are nice and interesting, but the text is not really. You are showing anecdotal evidence, and you obviously were even aware that tours were guided. Why should anything be checked if you experience only what is suited for showing? Political believes nonewithstanding, North Korea _is_ totalitarian and human rights _are_ violated.

    Hans
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    8 years ago

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    Hm...the downvoting of Joanna von Mruff's comments is a bit too harsh in my view...despite disgareeing with the original posting description.

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    Melody Lanzatella
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, really??? Are you ALWAYS this naive?? Nobody ever said that the residents live in constant terror and the streets run red with blood from beheadings! Even the pics you took, ask the people in them about their lives! Only allowed to pick one from 20 something cuts, and NEVER allowed access to the internet if they are found somehow doing so (certain spots close to the border) they are SEVERELY punished...etc, etc, ETC! It is terrible for these people to live in that country! They only have access to a certain amount of food as well! How would you like to live like that? You cannot capture ANY of those things, EVER!

    Erin Booth
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I understand what you were going for, but I'm having trouble with the flippant tone of this post. You couldn't possibly "empirically experience North Korea" as you were allowed to see limited sites. You probably didn’t see overt oppression or prison camps while you were in Pyongyang. In fact, speaking with locals sans tour guide (pretty routine tourist behavior anywhere but in North Korea) could land you in jail as "attempted espionage." Perhaps some text acknowledging why others are hesitant to give the regime their tourist dollars may help balance the post?

    Nell Foster
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow. The naivity is stunning. North Koreans aren't allowed to leave the country. You can. Nuff said.

    Rose Symotiuk
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a refugee from communist Poland, my mom told me stories of dumb tourists going on propaganda trips there too. My god, how offensive.

    Susanna Vesna
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    8 years ago

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    USSR was great and this is not coming from a "tourist". There were no drunkards, homeless or uneducated people. And there were no filthy rich people and super poor people, like happens now in your beloved capitalist/democratic holes. Yeah, a bunch of people were not allowed to print stuff against the government. So f*****g what? My parents & grandparents have only good memories about it. Really sorry yours dont!

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    Bryan Levandowski
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    are you kidding?! you casually throwing around your thoughts on poverty in asian countries shows how terribly affected by western white privilege you are. one photo-ONE PHOTO--of a north korean labour camp is enough to eclipse any illusion these photos allegedly dispel. you're worse than fake news--you're fake real news. you should be ashamed of yourself.

    .gas.
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think most people are less swayed by the "media" and more concerned with the false imprisonment, executions, censorship, general fear of NC citizens that if they do or say anything to fall out of line they and their whole families could "disappear." But, yes, let's blame it on the media and the 'dumb' people that don't know the 'real story' you've somehow been 'smart enough' to be able to uncover. >:-|

    .gas.
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NK, sorry. I was so mad I inadvertently threw North Carolina under the bus. :-o

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    Elizabeth Sherrill
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This article is just working to discredit the work don't by hundreds of aid originations. Good job playing into the hands of the propaganda

    Vanessa
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ahahaha the picture's comments are hilarious. I love the one about being eco-friendly and using bike :D

    frederic eeckman
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's take pictures of a country where people are send to camp to be killed with sometimes no reason at all, where millions of people died of starvation, where the leader is threatening the rest of the world to use nuclear weapon, so-called leader who is actually crazy batshit, and let's just say "hey, you know, it's not like they say it is, it's not all about propaganda". I'm sorry, but even if I understand the reason behind this post, it's bloody twisted and it's certainly not respectful at all for all the north korean who have to live on all that c**p day after day... Next time it will be "the places in Aleppo that are not destroyed as much as tv show you" ? I don't know, I think it's actually just bad taste :/

    Aurelia Grey
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow. I didn't know Disney studios taught photography. I didn't know North Korea paid young people to vacation there. The "text" had to have been written either by a five year old or is the result of "google translate" Interesting though, it apparently never rains there, there's no garbage or even bird poop! Stunning.

    Community Member
    8 years ago

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    Wow, I will get paid for going there? Will I get a check in the mail? I think that is great, maybe that will partly cover the travel costs I paid. And yes, it did not rain, no, there are no garbage because there is nothing to garbage with, and yes, there is no bird poop, as old ladies are scrubbing the pavements on their knees all they long as their job. If we had jobs like this in my country, lack of products to garbage with and such a beautiful September weather, I bet it would look very similar.

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    Trisch Armading
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    sorry but this is a classic example of 'bury your head in the sand'

    Bobby Mendez
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're free. You can go anywhere you want with your passport.You have the righ of giving your opinion, and posting it on an almost free internet. It's not the case of the North Koreans. So yeah, maybe the country is nice, maybe it's clean and quiet but if you don't have the right to go whenever you want, it's no more than a jail. So, I totally disagree with you sorry. Good for you, you're born in a place where You have the of freely moving anywhere and so be able to make the comparison and your opinion in a post. Thats

    Bobby Mendez
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "You're free. You can go anywhere you want with your passport.You have the righ of giving your opinion, and posting it on an almost free internet. It's not the case of the North Koreans. So yeah, maybe the country is nice, maybe it's clean and quiet but if you don't have the right to go whenever you want, it's no more than a jail. "*

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    Trav May
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Well, yeah, North Korea imprisons upwards of 100,00 of it's people in labor camps. Oh, and what if a college student on another trip was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor for taking a $2 propaganda poster. Still, I had a GREAT time!"

    Nell Foster
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Um. This is ONE view of North Korea and you don't seem to realised how controlled and sanitized it might be. You get to walk in and then walk out again. North Koreans don't have this luxury of choice. Your position is rather arrogant.

    Ouzodaki
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who are you kidding? If you even try to step outside your "tourist path", you'll be in deep s**t. So FFS admit this is ironic.

    Michelle Hammett
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why to highligh emic VS etic. Your narrative is full of bs. talk to a local. oh that's right. you can't. you are a moron "The main mean of transport is either by foot or by bike. That’s rather eco-friendly and Netherlandish of them, right?" no. no. its simpler that than. they can't afford them. let alone a camera.

    Michelle Hammett
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    to add: let me translate for you why the comments section is blasting you for your naivety. Here goes: "Oh look at all the peacefulness and ecofriendly cleaniness" = "Poverty is great for the environment; and control is great for people"

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    whatstrue1
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You see exactly what they want you to see. You do realize that right?

    Nomadus Aureus
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How about you move there AND denounce your current citizenship so you have as much possibility to leave the country as NK citizens? As an alternative, may I suggest visiting the House of Terror at Budapest to catch a glimpse at how these wonderful regimes work?

    Paul
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you get to tour one of the city-sized gulags with a 25% annual mortality rate and post the pictures, let me know.

    PandasAreMyFav
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You know your not supposed to take pictures of the North Korean leaders pictures? And why do those people in the picture labeled “A bus stop. The city lacks benches, so Koreans tend to squat” and they have an umbrella in the DAY!?!? And why in the title “I came across a group of children carrying flowers for the dear comrades Kim Ir Sung and Kim Jong Il” do you use “dear comrades” why!!!???And in the title "A typical ‘traffic jam’. Notice the red flags that are waving by the road; it is quite a common view” you want to tell me that a bunch of people on bikes are having a traffic jam when only high up people in North Korea can drive cars!!!!??!? And in the title “These gentlemen not only are just doing the all-so-important job of holding posters in place, but they also closely watch the tourists” they are “ closely watch the tourists” because there is a reason to closely watch the tourist!!! I don’t think if someone visits the UK, Canada, US, etc(except for NK) that they get watched!

    Trav May
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ' meta-anti-propaganda' - Hmm, I see that you had to make up a phrase to help you feel better about your trip. "If I keep telling myself that, maybe I'll be able to sleep better."

    Mirriam Banda
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i have been there twice and all these pictures bring back good memories

    Charlotte Rosell
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder how this even made its way to Bored Panda. Maybe I'm the one who's naive, but I really thought that _everyone_ outside North Korea knew what at horrible regime this is. I recommend watching the excellent Danish documentary on the subject, The Red Chapel or "Kim Jong-Il's Comedy Club" (look it up at IMDB).

    K Mill
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The difference to me between NK and the rest of Asia is that the rest of Asia is trying to improve it's standard of living and are at least open to negotiating the improvement of human rights. Of COURSE people care about Africa, NGOs wouldn't exist without everyday people who make contributions and you are devaluing all the hard work these people do in improving the lives of many disadvantaged citizens around the world. North Korea would rather let their people starve and die in persecution than accept or admit that they need help. That's the difference. I'm sure there's some great things about the place, but don't go on a tour and proclaim you've solved the problem by saying it doesn't exist. It's an incredibly complicated situation to which you do it no credit.

    Hiruya
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These pictures hurt. Why? Because you can feel a certain spirit of depression. Hard to explain, but I was born in East Germany before Germany was reunited and these pictures remind me a lot of my childhood. No, it wasn't bad and we had enough food and it's probably not to compare with North Korea, but still the people were fed up with the system and changed it.

    lalexandra12
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You should read Nothing to Envy for a real look into North Korea. Pyongyang and such cities may look appealing to you because that is how they are set up, only citizens who look healthy (well-fed, decent clothes, etc.) are permitted to live there.

    Cassie
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's the entrance to a "Funfair"? The stuff behind that entrance looks more like a power plant or a government facility or something. Is the "Funfair" just that crescent coaster sitting right there at the entrance?

    Sally Paek
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Notice how thin those people are? Because of famine caused by mismanagement and corruption by the leadership.

    Kristina Mi
    Community Member
    7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to agree with everyone Joanna and also tell you that you have a lot of spelling mistakes in the article lol. My friend went to NK and has the exact same photos as you :) they show you what they want you to see. I agree that traveling is the Only true way to discover what is a myth and what is real ( like in Brazil which i loved and did not feel it was as dangerous as portrayed) BUT one cannot be that naive to believe NK is a free and cool country. I worked in SK and my students were always upset explaining to me about the history between the two Koreas.

    Kristina Mi
    Community Member
    7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    P.s. my bf told me about a tourist guy who "forgot" his bible in the public toilets in NK and they found it. Well, the guy is still slaving away to this day in some work camp

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    Salsabila Kinasih
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't know whether it is just the inability to choose the best ISO for each photo or not. But every time I scroll down, I can only feel gloomy and uncertainty. It's like you captured an area which will be abandoned by the inhabitants in the next 5 years. I do hope this is purely my wrong feelings. However, it's nice to share these photos to us. Thank you! :)

    Nell Foster
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    https://www.boredpanda.com/illegal-photos-north-korea-michal-huniewicz/

    theseanhaley
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what I dont understand about tourist bus tourists. Yes, you visited the city and you saw some sites but you never walked outside of what was told to you. Never researched or explored. So you have a limited view of what you are told you should see and nothing more. The difference here is you are not allowed to see outside of the tour bus route. I've been told a million times by many US tourists that New york City is loud, rude and dirty. And yes some are true but if you dont leave midtown / times square then your viewpoint is limited and not complete.

    --
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i agree with comments saying that this is also propaganda, that this is what they want the world to see, but thank you for showing at least an aspect of how things are in this forbidden land, that it isn't so much of a different world from ours (at least in terms of infrastructure, not ideals)

    Cheesybeansy
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get your point of propaganda, ours vs theirs but there is no need to seek to defend Kim and his ilk. they live in terrible oppression and even the well off north Koreans are considered poor to the rest of the world. if you commit a crime they can throw your whole family in jail, especially if you ever get the crazy idea of trying to escape. my close friend escaped over 10 years ago. the stuff she went through to get out really made my skin crawl.

    David Mahery
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the real question is : why are all the pictures seem to be underexposed ?

    Tatiana Iliina
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is much to see in these photos: - the line-ups - the absence of traffic - the impression that people have to walk great distances - possibly a lack of photos from "rush" hour - the "kiosk" retail model - the impression of super-tight control on everything - the scarcity of benches and other random stuff (i.e. fire hydrants, signs) At the same time, the photos also ~seem~ to show that the situation is not quite as dire as we might have thought. We just have no way of knowing how much of the surface the photographer was permitted to scratch. It isn't specifically mentioned whether it was possible to go out on your own and explore. A "tight schedule" has never prevented me from going out on my own in any country, including a couple of communist, I've visited. So I think it would have been good if the author could have been more clear about that. Was she strictly prevented from leaving the tour-approved itinerary or leaving the hotel on her own? Did she ask to and get refused?

    Tara Zee
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How old are you? 22? Your frontal lobe isnt fully developed until 25, so i hope your young age explains your ignorance. If you have done any research on the history and current state of North Korea, (plus any communist dictatorship of the past century) you would understand why what you saw was propaganda in and of itself. Perhaps read interviews with NK who have defected before thinking the West is full of lies.

    Alberto Menez
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This world is f****d if you guys really give a s**t about the world's problems do something about it then I like the picks.

    Ryan Pak
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What North Korean Defectors Think Of North Korea | 북한에 대한 탈북자들의 생각 | ASIAN BOSS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqUw0WYwoc

    Yugan Talovich
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For me, the question is, would you live there as an ordinary citizen (speaking the language, of course)on the economy, subject to the laws?

    Cliff Wilkinson
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No overweight people in any of the scenes, all dress and residential building look uniform and uninspiring. The amazingly clean streets and lack of hippy-types , beggars and social misfits speak of a highly pschologically regimented people with no social help programs. Everyone works for a living - just saying.

    Polleekin
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These pictures are beautiful but they don't support the title. No one ever said N.K. wasn't beautiful.

    Polleekin
    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Here's a pretty sunset" isn't going to change anyone's point of view of N.K. But it is an I interesting look into the country, all the same

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    Сашка Бес
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    to Joanna von Mruff nice try but no part of my life i lived in ussr,i know all of this things never again baby,never again

    Johann Strathausen
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I saw some YouTube videos making fun of North Korea in a really mean way. I get it, that country sucks, yes, I think we all know that, really, it's quite obvious to everyone, their leader is ridiculous, the propaganda is pathetic, yes, we all know that, really, none of us is so stupid to fall for the rather simple North Korean propaganda efforts! So let's for a change not try to state the obvious here and let's have a view for the people there who have to live under such circumstances. Thank you for these pictures and thank you for not making fun at the ones who are suffering already! Yeah and food for thought, people are more likely to get in prison in the US than in N. Korea. I get that US is better and if I had to choose I'd rather want to live in the US without hesitation, of course, yet, why there is a higher percentage in prison in the US than in North Korea deeply concerns me. Oh, and Trump vs. Kim Jong Un - simply the fact that I can even compare these two is very sad...

    Susanna Vesna
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh look at you, the critics who are defending human rights! Why are you attacking this woman? I didnt see ANY DIFFERENCE between her photos and those which were posted under the titles of "What Kim doesnt want you to see"! Your media has been continuously banging on your heads with horrible news so you all sit here an moan. But what about HOMELESS people in YOUR COUNTRIES? What about the Refugees in YOUR COUNTRIES? When was the last time you fought for Human & Animal Rights (Not in comments on the internet, obviously!) So many wise people in here, my eyes hurt! What about the rights of SNOWDEN and ASSANGE who disclose the s**t that YOUR AMAZING government DOESNT WANT YOU TO KNOW?! Bunch of hypocrites who Google their opinions! F**k off!

    Cliff Wilkinson
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No overweight people seen in any of the photographs and the streets are all amazingly clean. No hippy-types and with the uniform sanitised look of people and buildings you are looking at a psychologically highly regimented society. Just saying.

    Karol Chydziński
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    well, the scenes are clean, neat and orderly. There is no chewing gum on the sidewalks, no flying pieces of papers, no butts all over. But that is not the point what media want me to think about the country. The point is that citizens are not allowed to be who they want, but does it realy matter to be happy? I'm not saying they are not happy, probably most of them are. I think that is not possible to keep peace along the country, when people are not feeling safe, got no work, starving. There is no force that can stop the afflicted. There are lot of examples in a history of the world. Warsaw Uprising 1944, Revolution in Romania 1989, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 - these People preferred to die than to live oppressed. NKoreans have they own way of life. New car, house with pool and beautiful view, well paid job is not the synonim of the happiness. Democracy is even worse, because stupid people is much more than wise. And that's the reason that people in EU don't feel safe.

    Cody Eriksen
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    JOANNA, ENJOY YOUR TRAVELS, DON'T GET HURT, GET HOME SAFE, PEACE!!!!

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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THX! I just stopped to comments all there critics there because its going nowhere....They don't want to discuss only express their opinion which is not theirown. Anyway once again thx :)

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    Cody Eriksen
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hey People, not that we are on the level of N.K., but do our tours of the U.S. include Prisons?

    Yuliya Geikhman
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Of course not, but this is more like visiting a movie set in Hollywood and raving about how wonderful california is from your impression of it. You see all sides of a place by exploring it, whether it's included in the tour or not.

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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    WARNING Please be known, that the original title of the piece was "The Meta-Anti-Propaganda In Photos I Took On My Trip To North Korea". It has been changed by the editors of Bored Panda and I lack the possibility of re-editing back, as this function has been terminated.

    Yuliya Geikhman
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well if your intention was to stir up controversy, you've succeeded beautifully. :P

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    JeeSoo Kim
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Omg I'm Korean and I didn't even knew how North Korea look like... It actually does look a bit like a normal city.

    Carlos Patón
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    8 years ago

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    Thanks for the pics and text. Please ignore most of these narrow minded's opinions. They might still be looking for weapons of mass destruction in iraq.

    Brian McKeever
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    8 years ago

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    I just love seeing all these idiot comments accusing you of being a North Korean stooge when you have actually visited the country and they haven't. All they (or I for that matter) know about North Korea is what they've heard or read in America's corporate owned mainstream media, yet they consider themselves to be "free thinkers" incapable of being propagandized. What a laugh!

    Sally Paek
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    8 years ago

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    Typical liberal fool. She'll believe anything the media reports about Trump but nothing bad about North Korea?

    Soufiane Mohammad Bohaik
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    8 years ago

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    They don't have a Rothschild controlled central bank therefore they are evil and uncivilized.

    Master Markus
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you legitimately think that THAT is why people don't like the place, you don't know jack about North Korea.

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    Tiny Dynamine
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What you are showing here is a version of propaganda. You were only allowed to see certain places there, ones which the officials think will look quite good to other countries. It is just a form of cherry picking, which most people do with their holiday photos anyway. Plus your images of scenery don't say a thing about the quality of life for the citizens whose lives will be in constant poverty.

    Gwinevere von Ludwig
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    exactly, Tiny Dynamine! Also, only a select group of people get to live in the capital...

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    Violaine LB
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't believe Bored Panda would agree to publish these pictures with this text. For the record, Nazi Germany also had pretty stunning monuments and food and beautiful landscapes; it was still a country that actively sought Jewish people and organised their mass-murder. Nobody cares about whether North Korea looks "nice" or if the food is amazing or if they have lovely blue rivers. It doesn't make it "not as bad as we believe". It's still a place where people have no rights, where there is no freedom of speech, where people are interned for having different political views, where tourists have to be followed by a guide everywhere they go, where rape is used as a weapon against female prisoners, where forced abortions are practiced, where there is forced labor (just like in Nazi work camps), where people cannot choose their religion. I struggle to see how it is "not that bad" and how it could be worse. But yay! You can picnic by the river and they even have a beer festival!

    Paul
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you. It's amazing how so many people think that a proctored trip to North Korea gives them the right to ignore the first-hand accounts from refugees of the Nazi Germany scale atrocities that are going on there. It's exactly like going to Nazi Germany pre-WW2 and getting a official Josef Goebels tour of Berlin, and then coming back and saying, "All the media reports about the Jew are kinda wrong 'cause life is pretty good for the Germans." Naivety and egoism ("I've been to North Korea. So there.") all rolled into one.

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    Master Markus
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But there are also people in North Korea in internment camps for crimes their ancestors committed so... yeah, maybe there's a reason we think it's bad.

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    Alright, but there are also countries where children are slaving away in factories or for example the death penalty for minor offenders is in place, and still we don't tend to call them regimes, don't we?

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    Hans
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The pictures are nice and interesting, but the text is not really. You are showing anecdotal evidence, and you obviously were even aware that tours were guided. Why should anything be checked if you experience only what is suited for showing? Political believes nonewithstanding, North Korea _is_ totalitarian and human rights _are_ violated.

    Hans
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    8 years ago

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    Hm...the downvoting of Joanna von Mruff's comments is a bit too harsh in my view...despite disgareeing with the original posting description.

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    Melody Lanzatella
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, really??? Are you ALWAYS this naive?? Nobody ever said that the residents live in constant terror and the streets run red with blood from beheadings! Even the pics you took, ask the people in them about their lives! Only allowed to pick one from 20 something cuts, and NEVER allowed access to the internet if they are found somehow doing so (certain spots close to the border) they are SEVERELY punished...etc, etc, ETC! It is terrible for these people to live in that country! They only have access to a certain amount of food as well! How would you like to live like that? You cannot capture ANY of those things, EVER!

    Erin Booth
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I understand what you were going for, but I'm having trouble with the flippant tone of this post. You couldn't possibly "empirically experience North Korea" as you were allowed to see limited sites. You probably didn’t see overt oppression or prison camps while you were in Pyongyang. In fact, speaking with locals sans tour guide (pretty routine tourist behavior anywhere but in North Korea) could land you in jail as "attempted espionage." Perhaps some text acknowledging why others are hesitant to give the regime their tourist dollars may help balance the post?

    Nell Foster
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow. The naivity is stunning. North Koreans aren't allowed to leave the country. You can. Nuff said.

    Rose Symotiuk
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a refugee from communist Poland, my mom told me stories of dumb tourists going on propaganda trips there too. My god, how offensive.

    Susanna Vesna
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    8 years ago

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    USSR was great and this is not coming from a "tourist". There were no drunkards, homeless or uneducated people. And there were no filthy rich people and super poor people, like happens now in your beloved capitalist/democratic holes. Yeah, a bunch of people were not allowed to print stuff against the government. So f*****g what? My parents & grandparents have only good memories about it. Really sorry yours dont!

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    Bryan Levandowski
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    are you kidding?! you casually throwing around your thoughts on poverty in asian countries shows how terribly affected by western white privilege you are. one photo-ONE PHOTO--of a north korean labour camp is enough to eclipse any illusion these photos allegedly dispel. you're worse than fake news--you're fake real news. you should be ashamed of yourself.

    .gas.
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think most people are less swayed by the "media" and more concerned with the false imprisonment, executions, censorship, general fear of NC citizens that if they do or say anything to fall out of line they and their whole families could "disappear." But, yes, let's blame it on the media and the 'dumb' people that don't know the 'real story' you've somehow been 'smart enough' to be able to uncover. >:-|

    .gas.
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NK, sorry. I was so mad I inadvertently threw North Carolina under the bus. :-o

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    Elizabeth Sherrill
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This article is just working to discredit the work don't by hundreds of aid originations. Good job playing into the hands of the propaganda

    Vanessa
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ahahaha the picture's comments are hilarious. I love the one about being eco-friendly and using bike :D

    frederic eeckman
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's take pictures of a country where people are send to camp to be killed with sometimes no reason at all, where millions of people died of starvation, where the leader is threatening the rest of the world to use nuclear weapon, so-called leader who is actually crazy batshit, and let's just say "hey, you know, it's not like they say it is, it's not all about propaganda". I'm sorry, but even if I understand the reason behind this post, it's bloody twisted and it's certainly not respectful at all for all the north korean who have to live on all that c**p day after day... Next time it will be "the places in Aleppo that are not destroyed as much as tv show you" ? I don't know, I think it's actually just bad taste :/

    Aurelia Grey
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow. I didn't know Disney studios taught photography. I didn't know North Korea paid young people to vacation there. The "text" had to have been written either by a five year old or is the result of "google translate" Interesting though, it apparently never rains there, there's no garbage or even bird poop! Stunning.

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    8 years ago

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    Wow, I will get paid for going there? Will I get a check in the mail? I think that is great, maybe that will partly cover the travel costs I paid. And yes, it did not rain, no, there are no garbage because there is nothing to garbage with, and yes, there is no bird poop, as old ladies are scrubbing the pavements on their knees all they long as their job. If we had jobs like this in my country, lack of products to garbage with and such a beautiful September weather, I bet it would look very similar.

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    Trisch Armading
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    sorry but this is a classic example of 'bury your head in the sand'

    Bobby Mendez
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're free. You can go anywhere you want with your passport.You have the righ of giving your opinion, and posting it on an almost free internet. It's not the case of the North Koreans. So yeah, maybe the country is nice, maybe it's clean and quiet but if you don't have the right to go whenever you want, it's no more than a jail. So, I totally disagree with you sorry. Good for you, you're born in a place where You have the of freely moving anywhere and so be able to make the comparison and your opinion in a post. Thats

    Bobby Mendez
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "You're free. You can go anywhere you want with your passport.You have the righ of giving your opinion, and posting it on an almost free internet. It's not the case of the North Koreans. So yeah, maybe the country is nice, maybe it's clean and quiet but if you don't have the right to go whenever you want, it's no more than a jail. "*

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    Trav May
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Well, yeah, North Korea imprisons upwards of 100,00 of it's people in labor camps. Oh, and what if a college student on another trip was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor for taking a $2 propaganda poster. Still, I had a GREAT time!"

    Nell Foster
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Um. This is ONE view of North Korea and you don't seem to realised how controlled and sanitized it might be. You get to walk in and then walk out again. North Koreans don't have this luxury of choice. Your position is rather arrogant.

    Ouzodaki
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who are you kidding? If you even try to step outside your "tourist path", you'll be in deep s**t. So FFS admit this is ironic.

    Michelle Hammett
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why to highligh emic VS etic. Your narrative is full of bs. talk to a local. oh that's right. you can't. you are a moron "The main mean of transport is either by foot or by bike. That’s rather eco-friendly and Netherlandish of them, right?" no. no. its simpler that than. they can't afford them. let alone a camera.

    Michelle Hammett
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    to add: let me translate for you why the comments section is blasting you for your naivety. Here goes: "Oh look at all the peacefulness and ecofriendly cleaniness" = "Poverty is great for the environment; and control is great for people"

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    whatstrue1
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You see exactly what they want you to see. You do realize that right?

    Nomadus Aureus
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How about you move there AND denounce your current citizenship so you have as much possibility to leave the country as NK citizens? As an alternative, may I suggest visiting the House of Terror at Budapest to catch a glimpse at how these wonderful regimes work?

    Paul
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you get to tour one of the city-sized gulags with a 25% annual mortality rate and post the pictures, let me know.

    PandasAreMyFav
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You know your not supposed to take pictures of the North Korean leaders pictures? And why do those people in the picture labeled “A bus stop. The city lacks benches, so Koreans tend to squat” and they have an umbrella in the DAY!?!? And why in the title “I came across a group of children carrying flowers for the dear comrades Kim Ir Sung and Kim Jong Il” do you use “dear comrades” why!!!???And in the title "A typical ‘traffic jam’. Notice the red flags that are waving by the road; it is quite a common view” you want to tell me that a bunch of people on bikes are having a traffic jam when only high up people in North Korea can drive cars!!!!??!? And in the title “These gentlemen not only are just doing the all-so-important job of holding posters in place, but they also closely watch the tourists” they are “ closely watch the tourists” because there is a reason to closely watch the tourist!!! I don’t think if someone visits the UK, Canada, US, etc(except for NK) that they get watched!

    Trav May
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ' meta-anti-propaganda' - Hmm, I see that you had to make up a phrase to help you feel better about your trip. "If I keep telling myself that, maybe I'll be able to sleep better."

    Mirriam Banda
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i have been there twice and all these pictures bring back good memories

    Charlotte Rosell
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder how this even made its way to Bored Panda. Maybe I'm the one who's naive, but I really thought that _everyone_ outside North Korea knew what at horrible regime this is. I recommend watching the excellent Danish documentary on the subject, The Red Chapel or "Kim Jong-Il's Comedy Club" (look it up at IMDB).

    K Mill
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The difference to me between NK and the rest of Asia is that the rest of Asia is trying to improve it's standard of living and are at least open to negotiating the improvement of human rights. Of COURSE people care about Africa, NGOs wouldn't exist without everyday people who make contributions and you are devaluing all the hard work these people do in improving the lives of many disadvantaged citizens around the world. North Korea would rather let their people starve and die in persecution than accept or admit that they need help. That's the difference. I'm sure there's some great things about the place, but don't go on a tour and proclaim you've solved the problem by saying it doesn't exist. It's an incredibly complicated situation to which you do it no credit.

    Hiruya
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These pictures hurt. Why? Because you can feel a certain spirit of depression. Hard to explain, but I was born in East Germany before Germany was reunited and these pictures remind me a lot of my childhood. No, it wasn't bad and we had enough food and it's probably not to compare with North Korea, but still the people were fed up with the system and changed it.

    lalexandra12
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You should read Nothing to Envy for a real look into North Korea. Pyongyang and such cities may look appealing to you because that is how they are set up, only citizens who look healthy (well-fed, decent clothes, etc.) are permitted to live there.

    Cassie
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's the entrance to a "Funfair"? The stuff behind that entrance looks more like a power plant or a government facility or something. Is the "Funfair" just that crescent coaster sitting right there at the entrance?

    Sally Paek
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Notice how thin those people are? Because of famine caused by mismanagement and corruption by the leadership.

    Kristina Mi
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    7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to agree with everyone Joanna and also tell you that you have a lot of spelling mistakes in the article lol. My friend went to NK and has the exact same photos as you :) they show you what they want you to see. I agree that traveling is the Only true way to discover what is a myth and what is real ( like in Brazil which i loved and did not feel it was as dangerous as portrayed) BUT one cannot be that naive to believe NK is a free and cool country. I worked in SK and my students were always upset explaining to me about the history between the two Koreas.

    Kristina Mi
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    7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    P.s. my bf told me about a tourist guy who "forgot" his bible in the public toilets in NK and they found it. Well, the guy is still slaving away to this day in some work camp

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    Salsabila Kinasih
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't know whether it is just the inability to choose the best ISO for each photo or not. But every time I scroll down, I can only feel gloomy and uncertainty. It's like you captured an area which will be abandoned by the inhabitants in the next 5 years. I do hope this is purely my wrong feelings. However, it's nice to share these photos to us. Thank you! :)

    Nell Foster
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    https://www.boredpanda.com/illegal-photos-north-korea-michal-huniewicz/

    theseanhaley
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what I dont understand about tourist bus tourists. Yes, you visited the city and you saw some sites but you never walked outside of what was told to you. Never researched or explored. So you have a limited view of what you are told you should see and nothing more. The difference here is you are not allowed to see outside of the tour bus route. I've been told a million times by many US tourists that New york City is loud, rude and dirty. And yes some are true but if you dont leave midtown / times square then your viewpoint is limited and not complete.

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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i agree with comments saying that this is also propaganda, that this is what they want the world to see, but thank you for showing at least an aspect of how things are in this forbidden land, that it isn't so much of a different world from ours (at least in terms of infrastructure, not ideals)

    Cheesybeansy
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get your point of propaganda, ours vs theirs but there is no need to seek to defend Kim and his ilk. they live in terrible oppression and even the well off north Koreans are considered poor to the rest of the world. if you commit a crime they can throw your whole family in jail, especially if you ever get the crazy idea of trying to escape. my close friend escaped over 10 years ago. the stuff she went through to get out really made my skin crawl.

    David Mahery
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the real question is : why are all the pictures seem to be underexposed ?

    Tatiana Iliina
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is much to see in these photos: - the line-ups - the absence of traffic - the impression that people have to walk great distances - possibly a lack of photos from "rush" hour - the "kiosk" retail model - the impression of super-tight control on everything - the scarcity of benches and other random stuff (i.e. fire hydrants, signs) At the same time, the photos also ~seem~ to show that the situation is not quite as dire as we might have thought. We just have no way of knowing how much of the surface the photographer was permitted to scratch. It isn't specifically mentioned whether it was possible to go out on your own and explore. A "tight schedule" has never prevented me from going out on my own in any country, including a couple of communist, I've visited. So I think it would have been good if the author could have been more clear about that. Was she strictly prevented from leaving the tour-approved itinerary or leaving the hotel on her own? Did she ask to and get refused?

    Tara Zee
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How old are you? 22? Your frontal lobe isnt fully developed until 25, so i hope your young age explains your ignorance. If you have done any research on the history and current state of North Korea, (plus any communist dictatorship of the past century) you would understand why what you saw was propaganda in and of itself. Perhaps read interviews with NK who have defected before thinking the West is full of lies.

    Alberto Menez
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This world is f****d if you guys really give a s**t about the world's problems do something about it then I like the picks.

    Ryan Pak
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What North Korean Defectors Think Of North Korea | 북한에 대한 탈북자들의 생각 | ASIAN BOSS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqUw0WYwoc

    Yugan Talovich
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For me, the question is, would you live there as an ordinary citizen (speaking the language, of course)on the economy, subject to the laws?

    Cliff Wilkinson
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No overweight people in any of the scenes, all dress and residential building look uniform and uninspiring. The amazingly clean streets and lack of hippy-types , beggars and social misfits speak of a highly pschologically regimented people with no social help programs. Everyone works for a living - just saying.

    Polleekin
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These pictures are beautiful but they don't support the title. No one ever said N.K. wasn't beautiful.

    Polleekin
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Here's a pretty sunset" isn't going to change anyone's point of view of N.K. But it is an I interesting look into the country, all the same

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    Сашка Бес
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    to Joanna von Mruff nice try but no part of my life i lived in ussr,i know all of this things never again baby,never again

    Johann Strathausen
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I saw some YouTube videos making fun of North Korea in a really mean way. I get it, that country sucks, yes, I think we all know that, really, it's quite obvious to everyone, their leader is ridiculous, the propaganda is pathetic, yes, we all know that, really, none of us is so stupid to fall for the rather simple North Korean propaganda efforts! So let's for a change not try to state the obvious here and let's have a view for the people there who have to live under such circumstances. Thank you for these pictures and thank you for not making fun at the ones who are suffering already! Yeah and food for thought, people are more likely to get in prison in the US than in N. Korea. I get that US is better and if I had to choose I'd rather want to live in the US without hesitation, of course, yet, why there is a higher percentage in prison in the US than in North Korea deeply concerns me. Oh, and Trump vs. Kim Jong Un - simply the fact that I can even compare these two is very sad...

    Susanna Vesna
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh look at you, the critics who are defending human rights! Why are you attacking this woman? I didnt see ANY DIFFERENCE between her photos and those which were posted under the titles of "What Kim doesnt want you to see"! Your media has been continuously banging on your heads with horrible news so you all sit here an moan. But what about HOMELESS people in YOUR COUNTRIES? What about the Refugees in YOUR COUNTRIES? When was the last time you fought for Human & Animal Rights (Not in comments on the internet, obviously!) So many wise people in here, my eyes hurt! What about the rights of SNOWDEN and ASSANGE who disclose the s**t that YOUR AMAZING government DOESNT WANT YOU TO KNOW?! Bunch of hypocrites who Google their opinions! F**k off!

    Cliff Wilkinson
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No overweight people seen in any of the photographs and the streets are all amazingly clean. No hippy-types and with the uniform sanitised look of people and buildings you are looking at a psychologically highly regimented society. Just saying.

    Karol Chydziński
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    well, the scenes are clean, neat and orderly. There is no chewing gum on the sidewalks, no flying pieces of papers, no butts all over. But that is not the point what media want me to think about the country. The point is that citizens are not allowed to be who they want, but does it realy matter to be happy? I'm not saying they are not happy, probably most of them are. I think that is not possible to keep peace along the country, when people are not feeling safe, got no work, starving. There is no force that can stop the afflicted. There are lot of examples in a history of the world. Warsaw Uprising 1944, Revolution in Romania 1989, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 - these People preferred to die than to live oppressed. NKoreans have they own way of life. New car, house with pool and beautiful view, well paid job is not the synonim of the happiness. Democracy is even worse, because stupid people is much more than wise. And that's the reason that people in EU don't feel safe.

    Cody Eriksen
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    JOANNA, ENJOY YOUR TRAVELS, DON'T GET HURT, GET HOME SAFE, PEACE!!!!

    Community Member
    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THX! I just stopped to comments all there critics there because its going nowhere....They don't want to discuss only express their opinion which is not theirown. Anyway once again thx :)

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    Cody Eriksen
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hey People, not that we are on the level of N.K., but do our tours of the U.S. include Prisons?

    Yuliya Geikhman
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Of course not, but this is more like visiting a movie set in Hollywood and raving about how wonderful california is from your impression of it. You see all sides of a place by exploring it, whether it's included in the tour or not.

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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    WARNING Please be known, that the original title of the piece was "The Meta-Anti-Propaganda In Photos I Took On My Trip To North Korea". It has been changed by the editors of Bored Panda and I lack the possibility of re-editing back, as this function has been terminated.

    Yuliya Geikhman
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well if your intention was to stir up controversy, you've succeeded beautifully. :P

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    JeeSoo Kim
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Omg I'm Korean and I didn't even knew how North Korea look like... It actually does look a bit like a normal city.

    Carlos Patón
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    8 years ago

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    Thanks for the pics and text. Please ignore most of these narrow minded's opinions. They might still be looking for weapons of mass destruction in iraq.

    Brian McKeever
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    8 years ago

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    I just love seeing all these idiot comments accusing you of being a North Korean stooge when you have actually visited the country and they haven't. All they (or I for that matter) know about North Korea is what they've heard or read in America's corporate owned mainstream media, yet they consider themselves to be "free thinkers" incapable of being propagandized. What a laugh!

    Sally Paek
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    8 years ago

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    Typical liberal fool. She'll believe anything the media reports about Trump but nothing bad about North Korea?

    Soufiane Mohammad Bohaik
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    8 years ago

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    They don't have a Rothschild controlled central bank therefore they are evil and uncivilized.

    Master Markus
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    8 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you legitimately think that THAT is why people don't like the place, you don't know jack about North Korea.

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