Boy Has Been Close To Girl For 5 Years, Their Friendship Ends Overnight At The Age Of 10 At School
How often do we think about what really becomes the reason for our friendship with this or that person? Especially if this friendship begins in adulthood. Common interests, hobbies? Living in the same neighborhood? Working together? Your children’s mutual friendship?
The author of our story today, the user WiseOwl24, also sincerely believed that she had found a bosom friend in the person of her son’s bestie’s mom. And for five whole years, this was the case until school made its harsh adjustments… However, let’s figure it all out together.
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The author of the post has a 10-year-old son whose peer ‘Mia’ had been his longtime bestie
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The boy and the girl were really close, playing together and attending one another’s birthday parties – and so were their moms
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The author was pretty sure that Mia’s mom was her bosom friend – but recently the friendship faded away
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Mia started bullying the author’s son at school but denied everything in a private conversation
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It turned out that the girl had started to hang out with ‘cool kids’ – and the friendship between the author and Mia’s mom also ended
So, the Original Poster (OP) says that this girl (let’s call her “Mia”) had been her son’s best friend since pre-school times. They willingly played together, attended each other’s birthdays, and were generally inseparable. Accordingly, the kids’ mothers also made friends, and our heroine became really close to Mia’s mom.
However, this whole idyll began to collapse a few months ago, when ten-year-old Mia, for no apparent reason, began to shower the OP’s son with insults, claiming that she was literally sick of his appearance. The boy, not understanding anything, told his mom about it, and she decided to clarify the situation.
However, when Mia and her mother met with the author, the girl flatly denied the very fact of any insults towards her friend, claiming that he was just lying. Accordingly, Mia’s mom was also hostile towards the OP. Well, after some time, at school, Mia subjected the poor boy to even more bullying ‘for snitching on her.’
The woman supposes that the reason for this is Mia’s changed friendship preferences as she began to spend more time with, let’s say, “cool kids.” Much older in their behavior, more streetwise, sarcastic, mouthy and trendy, than the OP’s son. Who, his mom honestly admits, is still a child.
Mom tried to discuss the situation with the teacher, but instead of a balanced and delicate approach, she chose to simply snap at Mia, directly telling the girl that the original poster had complained about her behavior. Needless to say, this had the opposite reaction to what was expected.
And the OP’s friendship with Mia’s mother, which once seemed so strong and unbreakable, has now actually turned to dust in the wind. In fact, our heroine admits, she and her son have both lost very close people, after years of them having a happy friendship.
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“The situation, in general, is quite standard – children at this age are just beginning a kind of reassessment of their own values, and not every friendship is destined to survive this difficult period. Especially between girls and boys,” says Irina Matveeva, a psychologist and certified NLP specialist, whom Bored Panda asked for a comment here.
“Girls usually start this process earlier, and they sometimes feel ‘ashamed’ of the very fact of their friendship with someone who now looks like a little kid in their eyes. In fact, this mother herself also told something similar. That the girl radically changed her social circle at school.”
“And the teacher’s reaction here was also, to put it mildly, unsuccessful. Any aggression when working with teenagers will cause the exact opposite reaction, so it is not surprising that nothing was achieved. However, the boy still has his whole life ahead of him – there will still be room for a true and strong friendship,” Irina is pretty much sure.
As for the commenters to the original post, they also believe that the situation described by the author is quite common, although, of course, very unpleasant. “If Mia has been drawn into wanting to be in the cool gang, she may have felt that, to be accepted, she has to be seen to reject and dislike anyone who’s not in the cool gang,” one of the responders wrote. “This kind of thing is not uncommon.”
In any case, commenters are almost certain that the author and her son lost not just friends, but bad friends, since this friendship didn’t pass such a test. “You haven’t both lost osw friends, though. You have both lost bad friends. Use it as an opportunity to teach him what a friendship shouldn’t look like and it will stand him in good stead,” another person added quite wisely. And do you, our dear readers, also agree with this point of view?
People in the comments noted that this case is far from uncommon, and claimed that the author and her son just ‘lost bad friends’
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The exact same thing happened to our daughter. She and her best friend Sophie were inseparable from kindergarten to grade five. One day DD came home sobbing. She had gone up to Sophie in the hall at school as usual and the little b*tch said "I don't hang out with losers", then she and her new friends laughed. Our daughter is 22 and I still hate that kid.
Something similar happened with my husband and his childhood male friend. They were friends for years and the boy ended up bullying him for no reason.
Load More Replies...Do you know what? I NEVER had a best friend. Even though I had "friends" I was bullied by all of them. I was an easy target because I was small and feeble. Mine started at around 7 years old and I thought that was bad, but senior school was horrendous!!! I had no-one. My parents (who I love dearly) didn't do anything, but I didn't tell them everything either. But I raised three daughters and when my youngest was being bullied, I knew. My mam knew of bad incidents but didn't do enough and my dad just tolerated us. He's amazing now though! I went on to be bullied in the workplace and I'm now 52 and still struggling with confidence and I'm called "the sorry girl" I did everything I could for my girl and she's Fricken amazing!! My mam and dad now know the extent of the bullying, but say "we didn't know this" rubbish!! I wished I could get over it but I'm still a mess sometimes. OP this is awful for him but the problem lies with the parents if they don't/wont acknowledge her bad behaviour.
RAN OUT OF LETTERS! Hopefully Mia will alter this behaviour. Unfortunately they often don't and it comes to the point that when she's older, she'll regret her behaviour. Girls can be way more hurtful/nasty than boys, they can be evil!! My main bully burnt my hair and loads more. That same person (who bullied me throughout high school) seen me when I was older and she said to her own daughter who was also bullying "don't do it! I've seen a girl who I bullied (me) recently, and I felt terrible! She has tried many times to create a friendship, but I don't want to. I know how she feels because she told a friend of mine. I think you're raising a lovely child and they can come to you, that's huge. Good luck
Load More Replies...Based on the mom's defensive reaction...Yeh it could indicate why the kid is acting like that in the first place. Worth exploring for op.
I would agree that mom is the root cause. But I disagree that it's worth exploring. There's no logic that can explain people like that, and they don't listen to reason. We're much better off to just walk away from them, and finding our own inner peace.
Load More Replies...Yeah, it sucks. I remember when I was 13 and I was into younger things than my 'bff'. Well she got accepted into the cool girls group and that was the end of that friendship. It's important to be honest about what's happened, and let him know he's not alone in having this happen to him.
It sounds like she wanted to join the “cool kids” but was given an ultimatum - Them or the bestie. Was probably told if he speaks to her, then she can’t stay in the cool group. Thus, she abuses him as a way to get him to stop wanting to be her friend. I was bullied a lot as a kid and you get so desperate to be accepted that you do what others tell you to, in order to be accepted by them. Also the mother just doesn’t want to believe her perfect daughter could do such a thing, so labels the others as liars.
I experienced this growing up. Around 8th grade, 2 girls I considered best friends started to bully me, talk about me behind my back, spread rumors, and wouldn't talk to me. As someone who was/is socially awkward most of the time, I had always been bullied. However this hit differently because it came out of left field and there wasn't a specific incident or event that changed things. It sucked but I learned to become more social with all people, and have learned to accept others for who they are
Friends I had in primary school stopped speaking to me in High School when I was placed in the 'smarter' classes than them. By year 12 I had a bestie and up until he got married that continued. Then his wife made sure I was cut out of the picture, They are now divorced but he has clearly move on. I have never let anyone get that close again. Chris, if you're out there (and I know you are) I still miss you, the beach, movies and board games.....
Mia is copying her new "friends". She wants to be like them. Sad for her. A day will come when she will regret it. I (64f) know. I so want to apologize to a girl from 5th grade but can't find her.
Lucky her. Your need to apologize is selfish. This was 50 years ago, whoever you tormented doesn't want to be reminded of YOU. Or how you treated them. They don't need your apology to move on, it's been 50 years. It only helps you, and more than likely harms, or at minimum slightly annoys, the girl you bullied. The time to apologize was 50 years ago. Move on and leave it in the past where it belongs, and just hope she lived a good life after you.
Load More Replies...The OP should get her son therapy to help him processes this. It's normal for kids to drift apart as they age or even to have fights that end the friendship but out if the blue like this is confusing and emotionally devastating for a child that is just learning intersocial skills. Also, see if you can move him out of the class if there's another of the same grade. I'm not sure if the teacher went about this correctly. Bullying shouldn't be tolerated and this girl's parents should have been called in for a parent-teacher meeting about her behavior and informed that if it continues she'll be suspended or disciplined per school policy. There's nothing to be done about this other woman who's clearly raising a little brat. You've seen the type of person and parent she is.
Happened to my daughter in high school. Some years later the mean girl tried to friend her on Facebook. She said thanks but no thanks.
Yeah, I've been there done that. I heard my biggest tormentor lost his mother. I sent him a simple "I'm sorry" message, because we're adults now, and a loss like that transcends childish behavior from 35 years ago. He sent back a simple thanks. Some months later, after thinking on it a while, I decided to get my feelings off my chest. I sent him a long message, telling him he was my biggest bully. Telling him honestly that, though I am a happy person now, he'd really hurt me back then. That I hadn't deserved it, and that it wasn't okay. And asking why he'd done that, why he'd felt the need to lash out at me the way he had. I was honest and blunt, but very adult, in my writing. Except at the end, when I told him "Fúck you", for the little girl who never could have done it back then, lol. I never received a response. And I was okay with that, because it told me that the problem was in him, and not me. And I'd said what I needed to. But then, a couple weeks or months later, I can't remember exactly, he sent me a friend request! I sent him a last message that was the digital equivalent of laughing in his face. I said "Really? After all that you did to me, and especially after never replying to my last message, you really think I'd accept your friend request?" Maybe that was his way of extending an olive branch. But I wouldn't take it without him apologizing first. To do so, would be for me to say what he did was okay, and he didn't need to apologize. I won't do that. I may have moved on. I may have forgiven him, and let go of any hatred or ill-will I had for him. But that doesn't mean I need to socialize with him, lol.
Load More Replies...I had fallings-out with friends in my preteens and throughout the teens and you know what? The only mothers who treated my mom badly were the ones whose children have done something weird and/or wrong. When my friends and i fell apart organically my parents and their parents had no problems coexisting and cooperating at school, they liked each other and kept out of our teen shananigans. One girl told their mother i was a s**t for dating their friend and another girl kept buying magazines not appropriate for our age and said i gave it to her. I guess those mothers are just trying to protect their children too. I still dislike those girls to this age (40s now), and yet these girls betrayed other friends too, the friends who stood with them when these girls were lying about me. One of their friends, after being abandoned after 20 years of close friendship, actually got depressed. I'm vindicated after 30 years, so just eating my popcorn.
Id explain to DS that sometimes good people make bad choices in life it doesnt mean they are bad people though...my heart goes out to both them n hopefully this is just a phase mia is going through n things will sort themselves out. The thing about mia's "friends" is they will likely turn on her/bully her at some point.
I hope he doesn't take her back as a friend. How could he ever trust her again? It's not worth it. PS-I don't mean he has to be mean to her. But just keep it to a polite hi and bye in the school hallways, or on the street, and nothing more.
Load More Replies...My bff from fifth grade dumped me halfway through freshman year of highschool. Our school had a sorority rush, and there was no way I was going to make it. (Not that I wanted to.) She just flipped a switch. I cried and mourned for what felt like ages. Hard lesson, but it prepared me for a lot more nonsense in the future. Love your friends while you have them, but be aware sometimes things go sideways through no fault of your own. I'm glad my mom was honest with me about that. Sorry for both of your losses, even if they were good ones.
Bro don't worry about it just get some friends that are boys and I'm a hard time fall back on them us boys fall back on each other all the time so don't worry about it
Same thing happened to my brother at that age. He still won't interact with peers because he's terrified of being hurt and thinks they're all out to trick him.
Mia is going to turn into a mean girl and that never goes well. Especially these days. Cut the losses.
Exact same thing happened with my daughter and one of her still best friends. When they were younger, this friend of hers had told all of their mutual friends to be mean to my daughter. This little girls mom had also become a very good friend of mine. So, thank goodness, her being such a wonderful person handled it completely different. She told me that her daughter will be apologizing to my daughter tomorrow at school and to please let her know if she does not. Well, she did apologize and to this day, they are still best friends! Her mother was still my best friend until the day she passed away. I sure wish this mother in this story would have handled it that way. ❤️❤️
An only child? Perhaps the oldest? Seems like the mother has not experienced the terrible tween years. Girls "mature" faster than boys. Mia may be making poor choices but she is growing up and that is part of it. Hopefully she will realize she is becoming a bully. As for the mothers, most prefer to believe that their children are perfect little angels and anyone pointing out otherwise becomes the enemy. The boy will just have to make a new best friend. As does his mother.
As a mother myself, that kind of "my baby would never do wrong" parental attitude písses me off so much. When we refuse to believe our kids are at fault when they do wrong, we do them a major disservice. My son (15) is a damn good kid. I know that, and others have told me that. But he's also human. He's done some stupid shít, and been in the wrong, more than once. Just like we all have. Ignoring it would just reach him that doing wrong is okay, and the rules don't apply to him. My job as a mom is to teach him accountability. To teach him to take responsibility for his actions. To teach him how to make wrong, right again. To help him learn from his mistakes. And to respect rules, as they apply to him just as much as to everyone else. It's part of being an emotionally healthy, well-balanced adult. It's how we work together in life, to create harmony. Parents who don't do that are only raising entitled brats that we all loathe, who grow up to be the entitled Karen's/Kens. That we all loathe. People like that are a lot of the reason society is so screwed up.
Load More Replies...A girl I grew up with most of my life and I were the best of friends. We did everything together. Everyone just knew that we'd marry some day. Then, in the blink of an eye at 17 she just up and moved in with her mother. She'd lived with her sisters up to that point. No "bye" no explanation, just gone. I even went to see her the following summer and it was like I was almost a stranger. I saw her one more time about 4 years later and she hardly spoke to me and that was the last time I ever saw or heard from her. Her sisters and I stay in touch and neither of them have ever had any idea why she just ghosted me. They were just as shocked because they more than anyone thought we'd marry. Who knows, we probably would have if she hadn't left.
Sounds like Mia is growing up mean. Leave her and her mum to each other, you and your son are well out of it.
The first commenter up there said it's very normal for kids' friendships to change around the years of 7-11. And this is true. But most kids don't start suddenly, actively, constantly bullying their former friends. Some do. But at that age, most just change their minds like they change their panties. And the commenter's logic doesn't really apply to this situation anyway. Because Mia's mom certainly isn't 7-11 years old, and she turned on OP just as quickly as Mia turned on OP's DS. No, this is a case of a shallow, two-faced garbage human who coddles her baby and believes they can do no wrong. And she's raising her daughter to be just as shallow and two-faced as she is. Her daughter is where she belongs, with other shallow "cool" kids, who don't care about anything but appearances, and will drop her for no reason just as quickly as she dropped OP's DS, if they decide she's not worthy anymore. And that will be Mia's karma-though she'd never see it that way, because she's being raised to believe nothing is ever her fault. OP and her DS are better off without them.
I'd bet a month of paychecks there were red flags OP missed. Like her son always being the one who got the blame for arguments. Or always playing second fiddle to Mia. I could go on. I know. I've lived it. And it hurts, to lose someone you thought was a friend. But it's a hard lesson in how we should never really trust anyone except our very closest small circle. It hurts, and it's really hard. But we really are better off without people like that in our lives. The inner peace you get when they're gone, is more than worth the pain of walking away. I hope, if Mia and her mom come crawling back one day, OP and her son give them a polite, firm, thanks but no thanks. After all, like I said, once someone does something like that, you can never trust them again. And you can't have a friendship, or any kind of relationship, without trust. Without trust, you have nothing. So I know it sucks now. But believe me, it's really a case of the trash taking itself out. And a very good riddance to it!!
Load More Replies...I've experienced a similar thing. I had a bestie the whole primary school. Then one day I met her on the street and she was with a few other girls. Two of them quickly walked up to me and grabbed me firmly by the arms, my "bestie" planted a very hard fist in my stomach, which made me double over in pain and took away my breath. She then walked away with the girls, all giggling. I had no idea why she did that
When I was in 5th grade, at the beginning of the school year, I became fast friends with another girl who happened to be sitting near me. And for the next few weeks, we continued to sit together and talk regularly throughout the school day. Later that month I missed a few days of school because my family and I went out of state for a relative’s wedding. When I returned to school, another girl said to me, “Poor you, everyone hates you!” And my new friend had, indeed, moved her desk away from mine and next to the class bully; she was suddenly friends with her now. The bully apparently had spent the days that I was gone talking badly about me and turning this girl against me! FWIW, though, the animosity didn’t last. The girl and I eventually became friends again and remained that way throughout even high school! :) Kids can be weird. PEOPLE can be weird!
I'm just waiting for this drama to enter our lives. My 8 is a klutzy Viola playing Godzilla and Sonic fanboy. The boys he most wants to play with are all active in sports and have older brothers so they act older than kids without kids with high school siblings. I don't want to force any friendships on or off, but I fear that jock rejection of the nerd one of these days.
I suspect that Mia's mom spoke to her about popularity and being cool. Mia began emulating the cool kids and since DS wasn't cool she has to drop her friendship with him.
That little girl has joined the mean girls club. Will not change while in school. Maybe later. I’d do my best to keep DS away from her and her “fiends.” Maybe even changing schools when they finish middle school.
One thing i would add, though its an older movie, watch the movie Stand by me. While it doesnt directly deal with this, it does set things up and mentions it at the end. Actually in a indirect way, it is what the movie is about. Now i was the kind of kid who just moved on and never told anyone about stuff like this and my kids were the same but the fact your son and this girl were real close i could see more concern. If this were my kid, i would just talk about how kids change as they grow and not all at the same speed. Even the best of friendships can change as these changes happen. Being that you cant stop someone from deciding to not be your friend, best to just let them go and maybe down the road, they will change their mind. Then it will be up to you, maybe you will have changed and you dont want to be friends again, and thats fine.
I think this stuff happens to everyone in school if they had friends, even out of school. Particularly between girls n boys though not limited to that. Kids meet other kids or groups of kids and sometimes they feel like they have to make a choice. From an adults perspective it can seem wrong but its a natural selection process with kids. I can see that its a little more concerning with really close kids but it still happens. Not blaming your kid but he probably kept trying to talk to her to try to figure it out which meant she was going to keep saying mean things to distance herself. While the other parent could have been more understanding, people are protective of their kids. Going to the principal was was beyond and you shouldnt have done that unless you felt the girl was going out of her way to bully your kid. Epecially once your son told you about her hanging out with new kids, tell him dynamics change as kids change.
Hey. My daughter is the same. This happens with her girlfriends. She is gay.
I would say good riddance to little Mia. Obviously without meaning to Mia's Mom (or Dad) has raised her that it is ok to judge and treat people by their looks and what they own. She would not be getting this behavior from nowhere. She may have been tempted to hang with the cool kids, but she never would have been weak enough to fold to that kind of vicious behavior unless she grew up to a certain degree that those that have are better than those that have not. Mean Girls don't become mean girls out of thin air. It is a core personality trait, those beliefs are there to begin with. You are going to have many friends through life. As a Mom you will have many more. I would be more worried about the dark personality path your daughter is taking and less worried about the friends you lost. You lose friends for reasons. And no one likes Mean Girls or Bully's, big or all.
Something sounds very wrong with the girl. I would call CPS. Tell the son this is alarming behavior and to stand up for himself. Bullying often displays itself in children who are abused, red flag. The mother is probably trying to cover for this.
The DS abbreviation is so f**king stupid. It needs to end immediately.
Lyoness: To call any child a bit*ch is a bit much. To hold a grudge when your child is now 22, is nuts. I'd move before I'd let this control my life so much. If ANYONE is being treated like this, and you can afford it....MOVE BEFORE A TRAGEDY TAKES PLACE!
I think OP is either not getting the whole thing from her kid or not telling us everything. Something isn't adding up to me
It's likely included here because lots of people are parents, and will run into this problem at one point or another. The manufactured "rage bait" might be more interesting to folks w/o kids. But it's helpful to also have forums where useful info can be discussed, as well. Puberty IS a tough time. Going through it & esp helping kids navigate it. So, many folks probably appreciate the tips they can pick up online. I'm sure something outlandish will pop up on BP again soon, lol. 😉
Load More Replies...The exact same thing happened to our daughter. She and her best friend Sophie were inseparable from kindergarten to grade five. One day DD came home sobbing. She had gone up to Sophie in the hall at school as usual and the little b*tch said "I don't hang out with losers", then she and her new friends laughed. Our daughter is 22 and I still hate that kid.
Something similar happened with my husband and his childhood male friend. They were friends for years and the boy ended up bullying him for no reason.
Load More Replies...Do you know what? I NEVER had a best friend. Even though I had "friends" I was bullied by all of them. I was an easy target because I was small and feeble. Mine started at around 7 years old and I thought that was bad, but senior school was horrendous!!! I had no-one. My parents (who I love dearly) didn't do anything, but I didn't tell them everything either. But I raised three daughters and when my youngest was being bullied, I knew. My mam knew of bad incidents but didn't do enough and my dad just tolerated us. He's amazing now though! I went on to be bullied in the workplace and I'm now 52 and still struggling with confidence and I'm called "the sorry girl" I did everything I could for my girl and she's Fricken amazing!! My mam and dad now know the extent of the bullying, but say "we didn't know this" rubbish!! I wished I could get over it but I'm still a mess sometimes. OP this is awful for him but the problem lies with the parents if they don't/wont acknowledge her bad behaviour.
RAN OUT OF LETTERS! Hopefully Mia will alter this behaviour. Unfortunately they often don't and it comes to the point that when she's older, she'll regret her behaviour. Girls can be way more hurtful/nasty than boys, they can be evil!! My main bully burnt my hair and loads more. That same person (who bullied me throughout high school) seen me when I was older and she said to her own daughter who was also bullying "don't do it! I've seen a girl who I bullied (me) recently, and I felt terrible! She has tried many times to create a friendship, but I don't want to. I know how she feels because she told a friend of mine. I think you're raising a lovely child and they can come to you, that's huge. Good luck
Load More Replies...Based on the mom's defensive reaction...Yeh it could indicate why the kid is acting like that in the first place. Worth exploring for op.
I would agree that mom is the root cause. But I disagree that it's worth exploring. There's no logic that can explain people like that, and they don't listen to reason. We're much better off to just walk away from them, and finding our own inner peace.
Load More Replies...Yeah, it sucks. I remember when I was 13 and I was into younger things than my 'bff'. Well she got accepted into the cool girls group and that was the end of that friendship. It's important to be honest about what's happened, and let him know he's not alone in having this happen to him.
It sounds like she wanted to join the “cool kids” but was given an ultimatum - Them or the bestie. Was probably told if he speaks to her, then she can’t stay in the cool group. Thus, she abuses him as a way to get him to stop wanting to be her friend. I was bullied a lot as a kid and you get so desperate to be accepted that you do what others tell you to, in order to be accepted by them. Also the mother just doesn’t want to believe her perfect daughter could do such a thing, so labels the others as liars.
I experienced this growing up. Around 8th grade, 2 girls I considered best friends started to bully me, talk about me behind my back, spread rumors, and wouldn't talk to me. As someone who was/is socially awkward most of the time, I had always been bullied. However this hit differently because it came out of left field and there wasn't a specific incident or event that changed things. It sucked but I learned to become more social with all people, and have learned to accept others for who they are
Friends I had in primary school stopped speaking to me in High School when I was placed in the 'smarter' classes than them. By year 12 I had a bestie and up until he got married that continued. Then his wife made sure I was cut out of the picture, They are now divorced but he has clearly move on. I have never let anyone get that close again. Chris, if you're out there (and I know you are) I still miss you, the beach, movies and board games.....
Mia is copying her new "friends". She wants to be like them. Sad for her. A day will come when she will regret it. I (64f) know. I so want to apologize to a girl from 5th grade but can't find her.
Lucky her. Your need to apologize is selfish. This was 50 years ago, whoever you tormented doesn't want to be reminded of YOU. Or how you treated them. They don't need your apology to move on, it's been 50 years. It only helps you, and more than likely harms, or at minimum slightly annoys, the girl you bullied. The time to apologize was 50 years ago. Move on and leave it in the past where it belongs, and just hope she lived a good life after you.
Load More Replies...The OP should get her son therapy to help him processes this. It's normal for kids to drift apart as they age or even to have fights that end the friendship but out if the blue like this is confusing and emotionally devastating for a child that is just learning intersocial skills. Also, see if you can move him out of the class if there's another of the same grade. I'm not sure if the teacher went about this correctly. Bullying shouldn't be tolerated and this girl's parents should have been called in for a parent-teacher meeting about her behavior and informed that if it continues she'll be suspended or disciplined per school policy. There's nothing to be done about this other woman who's clearly raising a little brat. You've seen the type of person and parent she is.
Happened to my daughter in high school. Some years later the mean girl tried to friend her on Facebook. She said thanks but no thanks.
Yeah, I've been there done that. I heard my biggest tormentor lost his mother. I sent him a simple "I'm sorry" message, because we're adults now, and a loss like that transcends childish behavior from 35 years ago. He sent back a simple thanks. Some months later, after thinking on it a while, I decided to get my feelings off my chest. I sent him a long message, telling him he was my biggest bully. Telling him honestly that, though I am a happy person now, he'd really hurt me back then. That I hadn't deserved it, and that it wasn't okay. And asking why he'd done that, why he'd felt the need to lash out at me the way he had. I was honest and blunt, but very adult, in my writing. Except at the end, when I told him "Fúck you", for the little girl who never could have done it back then, lol. I never received a response. And I was okay with that, because it told me that the problem was in him, and not me. And I'd said what I needed to. But then, a couple weeks or months later, I can't remember exactly, he sent me a friend request! I sent him a last message that was the digital equivalent of laughing in his face. I said "Really? After all that you did to me, and especially after never replying to my last message, you really think I'd accept your friend request?" Maybe that was his way of extending an olive branch. But I wouldn't take it without him apologizing first. To do so, would be for me to say what he did was okay, and he didn't need to apologize. I won't do that. I may have moved on. I may have forgiven him, and let go of any hatred or ill-will I had for him. But that doesn't mean I need to socialize with him, lol.
Load More Replies...I had fallings-out with friends in my preteens and throughout the teens and you know what? The only mothers who treated my mom badly were the ones whose children have done something weird and/or wrong. When my friends and i fell apart organically my parents and their parents had no problems coexisting and cooperating at school, they liked each other and kept out of our teen shananigans. One girl told their mother i was a s**t for dating their friend and another girl kept buying magazines not appropriate for our age and said i gave it to her. I guess those mothers are just trying to protect their children too. I still dislike those girls to this age (40s now), and yet these girls betrayed other friends too, the friends who stood with them when these girls were lying about me. One of their friends, after being abandoned after 20 years of close friendship, actually got depressed. I'm vindicated after 30 years, so just eating my popcorn.
Id explain to DS that sometimes good people make bad choices in life it doesnt mean they are bad people though...my heart goes out to both them n hopefully this is just a phase mia is going through n things will sort themselves out. The thing about mia's "friends" is they will likely turn on her/bully her at some point.
I hope he doesn't take her back as a friend. How could he ever trust her again? It's not worth it. PS-I don't mean he has to be mean to her. But just keep it to a polite hi and bye in the school hallways, or on the street, and nothing more.
Load More Replies...My bff from fifth grade dumped me halfway through freshman year of highschool. Our school had a sorority rush, and there was no way I was going to make it. (Not that I wanted to.) She just flipped a switch. I cried and mourned for what felt like ages. Hard lesson, but it prepared me for a lot more nonsense in the future. Love your friends while you have them, but be aware sometimes things go sideways through no fault of your own. I'm glad my mom was honest with me about that. Sorry for both of your losses, even if they were good ones.
Bro don't worry about it just get some friends that are boys and I'm a hard time fall back on them us boys fall back on each other all the time so don't worry about it
Same thing happened to my brother at that age. He still won't interact with peers because he's terrified of being hurt and thinks they're all out to trick him.
Mia is going to turn into a mean girl and that never goes well. Especially these days. Cut the losses.
Exact same thing happened with my daughter and one of her still best friends. When they were younger, this friend of hers had told all of their mutual friends to be mean to my daughter. This little girls mom had also become a very good friend of mine. So, thank goodness, her being such a wonderful person handled it completely different. She told me that her daughter will be apologizing to my daughter tomorrow at school and to please let her know if she does not. Well, she did apologize and to this day, they are still best friends! Her mother was still my best friend until the day she passed away. I sure wish this mother in this story would have handled it that way. ❤️❤️
An only child? Perhaps the oldest? Seems like the mother has not experienced the terrible tween years. Girls "mature" faster than boys. Mia may be making poor choices but she is growing up and that is part of it. Hopefully she will realize she is becoming a bully. As for the mothers, most prefer to believe that their children are perfect little angels and anyone pointing out otherwise becomes the enemy. The boy will just have to make a new best friend. As does his mother.
As a mother myself, that kind of "my baby would never do wrong" parental attitude písses me off so much. When we refuse to believe our kids are at fault when they do wrong, we do them a major disservice. My son (15) is a damn good kid. I know that, and others have told me that. But he's also human. He's done some stupid shít, and been in the wrong, more than once. Just like we all have. Ignoring it would just reach him that doing wrong is okay, and the rules don't apply to him. My job as a mom is to teach him accountability. To teach him to take responsibility for his actions. To teach him how to make wrong, right again. To help him learn from his mistakes. And to respect rules, as they apply to him just as much as to everyone else. It's part of being an emotionally healthy, well-balanced adult. It's how we work together in life, to create harmony. Parents who don't do that are only raising entitled brats that we all loathe, who grow up to be the entitled Karen's/Kens. That we all loathe. People like that are a lot of the reason society is so screwed up.
Load More Replies...A girl I grew up with most of my life and I were the best of friends. We did everything together. Everyone just knew that we'd marry some day. Then, in the blink of an eye at 17 she just up and moved in with her mother. She'd lived with her sisters up to that point. No "bye" no explanation, just gone. I even went to see her the following summer and it was like I was almost a stranger. I saw her one more time about 4 years later and she hardly spoke to me and that was the last time I ever saw or heard from her. Her sisters and I stay in touch and neither of them have ever had any idea why she just ghosted me. They were just as shocked because they more than anyone thought we'd marry. Who knows, we probably would have if she hadn't left.
Sounds like Mia is growing up mean. Leave her and her mum to each other, you and your son are well out of it.
The first commenter up there said it's very normal for kids' friendships to change around the years of 7-11. And this is true. But most kids don't start suddenly, actively, constantly bullying their former friends. Some do. But at that age, most just change their minds like they change their panties. And the commenter's logic doesn't really apply to this situation anyway. Because Mia's mom certainly isn't 7-11 years old, and she turned on OP just as quickly as Mia turned on OP's DS. No, this is a case of a shallow, two-faced garbage human who coddles her baby and believes they can do no wrong. And she's raising her daughter to be just as shallow and two-faced as she is. Her daughter is where she belongs, with other shallow "cool" kids, who don't care about anything but appearances, and will drop her for no reason just as quickly as she dropped OP's DS, if they decide she's not worthy anymore. And that will be Mia's karma-though she'd never see it that way, because she's being raised to believe nothing is ever her fault. OP and her DS are better off without them.
I'd bet a month of paychecks there were red flags OP missed. Like her son always being the one who got the blame for arguments. Or always playing second fiddle to Mia. I could go on. I know. I've lived it. And it hurts, to lose someone you thought was a friend. But it's a hard lesson in how we should never really trust anyone except our very closest small circle. It hurts, and it's really hard. But we really are better off without people like that in our lives. The inner peace you get when they're gone, is more than worth the pain of walking away. I hope, if Mia and her mom come crawling back one day, OP and her son give them a polite, firm, thanks but no thanks. After all, like I said, once someone does something like that, you can never trust them again. And you can't have a friendship, or any kind of relationship, without trust. Without trust, you have nothing. So I know it sucks now. But believe me, it's really a case of the trash taking itself out. And a very good riddance to it!!
Load More Replies...I've experienced a similar thing. I had a bestie the whole primary school. Then one day I met her on the street and she was with a few other girls. Two of them quickly walked up to me and grabbed me firmly by the arms, my "bestie" planted a very hard fist in my stomach, which made me double over in pain and took away my breath. She then walked away with the girls, all giggling. I had no idea why she did that
When I was in 5th grade, at the beginning of the school year, I became fast friends with another girl who happened to be sitting near me. And for the next few weeks, we continued to sit together and talk regularly throughout the school day. Later that month I missed a few days of school because my family and I went out of state for a relative’s wedding. When I returned to school, another girl said to me, “Poor you, everyone hates you!” And my new friend had, indeed, moved her desk away from mine and next to the class bully; she was suddenly friends with her now. The bully apparently had spent the days that I was gone talking badly about me and turning this girl against me! FWIW, though, the animosity didn’t last. The girl and I eventually became friends again and remained that way throughout even high school! :) Kids can be weird. PEOPLE can be weird!
I'm just waiting for this drama to enter our lives. My 8 is a klutzy Viola playing Godzilla and Sonic fanboy. The boys he most wants to play with are all active in sports and have older brothers so they act older than kids without kids with high school siblings. I don't want to force any friendships on or off, but I fear that jock rejection of the nerd one of these days.
I suspect that Mia's mom spoke to her about popularity and being cool. Mia began emulating the cool kids and since DS wasn't cool she has to drop her friendship with him.
That little girl has joined the mean girls club. Will not change while in school. Maybe later. I’d do my best to keep DS away from her and her “fiends.” Maybe even changing schools when they finish middle school.
One thing i would add, though its an older movie, watch the movie Stand by me. While it doesnt directly deal with this, it does set things up and mentions it at the end. Actually in a indirect way, it is what the movie is about. Now i was the kind of kid who just moved on and never told anyone about stuff like this and my kids were the same but the fact your son and this girl were real close i could see more concern. If this were my kid, i would just talk about how kids change as they grow and not all at the same speed. Even the best of friendships can change as these changes happen. Being that you cant stop someone from deciding to not be your friend, best to just let them go and maybe down the road, they will change their mind. Then it will be up to you, maybe you will have changed and you dont want to be friends again, and thats fine.
I think this stuff happens to everyone in school if they had friends, even out of school. Particularly between girls n boys though not limited to that. Kids meet other kids or groups of kids and sometimes they feel like they have to make a choice. From an adults perspective it can seem wrong but its a natural selection process with kids. I can see that its a little more concerning with really close kids but it still happens. Not blaming your kid but he probably kept trying to talk to her to try to figure it out which meant she was going to keep saying mean things to distance herself. While the other parent could have been more understanding, people are protective of their kids. Going to the principal was was beyond and you shouldnt have done that unless you felt the girl was going out of her way to bully your kid. Epecially once your son told you about her hanging out with new kids, tell him dynamics change as kids change.
Hey. My daughter is the same. This happens with her girlfriends. She is gay.
I would say good riddance to little Mia. Obviously without meaning to Mia's Mom (or Dad) has raised her that it is ok to judge and treat people by their looks and what they own. She would not be getting this behavior from nowhere. She may have been tempted to hang with the cool kids, but she never would have been weak enough to fold to that kind of vicious behavior unless she grew up to a certain degree that those that have are better than those that have not. Mean Girls don't become mean girls out of thin air. It is a core personality trait, those beliefs are there to begin with. You are going to have many friends through life. As a Mom you will have many more. I would be more worried about the dark personality path your daughter is taking and less worried about the friends you lost. You lose friends for reasons. And no one likes Mean Girls or Bully's, big or all.
Something sounds very wrong with the girl. I would call CPS. Tell the son this is alarming behavior and to stand up for himself. Bullying often displays itself in children who are abused, red flag. The mother is probably trying to cover for this.
The DS abbreviation is so f**king stupid. It needs to end immediately.
Lyoness: To call any child a bit*ch is a bit much. To hold a grudge when your child is now 22, is nuts. I'd move before I'd let this control my life so much. If ANYONE is being treated like this, and you can afford it....MOVE BEFORE A TRAGEDY TAKES PLACE!
I think OP is either not getting the whole thing from her kid or not telling us everything. Something isn't adding up to me
It's likely included here because lots of people are parents, and will run into this problem at one point or another. The manufactured "rage bait" might be more interesting to folks w/o kids. But it's helpful to also have forums where useful info can be discussed, as well. Puberty IS a tough time. Going through it & esp helping kids navigate it. So, many folks probably appreciate the tips they can pick up online. I'm sure something outlandish will pop up on BP again soon, lol. 😉
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