Woman Refuses To Go Through Raising Kids Again, Single Dads On Dating App Get Defensive
Some people believe that dating as a single parent is just too complicated. And it’s true – it can be. However, as kids grow up and become more and more independent, the parents might find themselves with more time on their hands and maybe even a newfound curiosity to jump back into the dating pool.
This redditor only decided to jump in after her adult kids had a “come to Jesus” talk with her. They believed that their mother was spending too much time alone, so they encouraged her to start dating again; and she did. But despite being a single mom herself, she swore she wouldn’t date single dads.
If you’re wondering why the OP took such a stance regarding dating, scroll down to find her story in detail below, where you will also find Bored Panda’s interview with an award-winning relationship intelligence expert, Railey Molinario, who was kind enough to answer a few of our questions.
Single parents of all ages might find themselves interested in dating again
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This mom of two decided to start dating again but despite being a single parent herself, she swore off any single dads out there
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Single parents might be hesitant to go back to dating for numerous reasons
There are many reasons why single parents might be hesitant to get back into the dating world; for instance, having to make sure there are no scheduling conflicts between date nights and soccer tournaments or having to cancel movie nights because of yet another virus the little one brought back from kindergarten. Needless to say, it can get pretty tiresome.
Discussing dating as a single parent, relationship intelligence expert Railey Molinario, too, noted that it can become quite a task. “It often requires balancing multiple responsibilities and making decisions with the children’s well-being in mind,” she pointed out in a recent interview with Bored Panda. “A single parent may face unique scheduling constraints, have less flexibility, and prioritize stability over spontaneity.”
Knowing just how challenging parenthood—and dating as a single parent—can be, single moms and dads might choose not to double the trouble and look for partners without kids. “Many single parents hesitate to date others with children because parenting demands so much time, energy, and attention. They may recognize that adding another set of children into the mix could overcomplicate things, especially if they’re navigating co-parenting arrangements or limited availability,” Molinario said.
“Some people may want to keep their roles as parents and partners more separate, looking for a relationship that feels like a break from parenting instead of an extension of it,” the expert added. “This hesitation is usually a sign of self-awareness, where individuals understand what they need to feel fulfilled in both their family and romantic lives.”
“For single parents, the key is finding someone who respects their journey, shares their values, and can integrate into their life smoothly,” expert says
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According to Molinario, childfree adults may have more freedom in terms of time, energy, and resources for dating; however, age and parental status don’t limit someone’s chances of finding a fulfilling relationship. Moreover, she believes that many people find greater clarity and confidence in their 40s and beyond, which can make dating even more rewarding.
“For single parents, the key is finding someone who respects their journey, shares their values, and can integrate into their life smoothly. While it may take patience, there are plenty of potential partners who value the life experience and wisdom single parents bring to a relationship,” the expert noted.
With or without children, it’s important for people to think long and hard about what they (don’t) want from a partner or the relationship. While she didn’t expand much on what she wanted in a potential partner, the OP made it pretty clear on what she didn’t, and that was a single dad. However, some of them tried approaching her nevertheless.
“Preferences in dating are deeply personal and shaped by our life experiences, needs, and boundaries. Pushing someone to date against their values can lead to misalignment,” Molinario pointed out. “With relationship intelligence, people honor not only their own preferences but also others’ autonomy and boundaries. True compatibility comes from respecting each other’s needs without forcing change—each person deserves to feel accepted as they are.”
Some people believe that the woman was in no way a jerk for knowing who she wanted and didn’t want to date
Others, however, thought she was being hypocritical
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How is she a hypocrite if she is asking for someone in the same situation as her NOW? A hypocrite would be "I have kids but YOU can't have kids" These guys are too low IQ.
Maybe low IQ, but I think it's more likely that they're immature and/or think the world owes them something. Or perhaps they're sure they're god's gift to women and she'd be lucky to have them despite the kids. Its definitely an emotional issue, and they're obviously losers if they're angry that any specific woman isn't interested because of their situation. Do they get upset if somebody wants to buy a sedan and isn't interested in buying the truck they want to sell? She posted a want ad and they don't have what she's looking for. Its just *so* sad.
Load More Replies...As the YTAs show, most people don't read. My dating profile starts and ends with a very specific rule, and I still get propositioned on exactly that. A lot.
Maybe they should create a dating app where there are no pictures initially and the only thing to go with at first is the profile. Then again, people probably still wouldn't read it...
Load More Replies...Why even put those few YTAs at the end of each of these? If anything, they're the minority, and could be mentioned first. Like the articles on here are set up to leave a bad taste in your mouth when you're done.
I think of those as a "reality check" at the end to prepare readers once more for the real world - where common sense is still a rare and valuable resource.
Load More Replies...As a single mother with an adult child, it's completely true 😂
Load More Replies...She raised her kids and got them out and established, now she's got 20-25 years before retirement. I wouldn't want to spend the time raising kids all over again either. Big, big difference from those 20 yo guys who didn't want to be a parent yet or at all. Now she's got time for a happy healthy marriage (if she wants) and some golden years. Go for it girl!
I feel like the YTAs didn’t even read the whole post. How would she "miss dates because a kid is sick" or how would men have to put up with her "situation" if at this point, her children are adults who have moved out and live their own lives?
Have you read the whole post? She remembered that time when her children were small, so she went out a few times with someone else, but she always came back at a decent time, so she could dedicate her mornings to the children, and no one liked that, so she stopped going out without her children, that is, she devoted all her time to them and didn't go on dates at all. Until her now adult children suggested that she start going on dates because she is still young and completely free. And she doesn't want to be anyone's stepmother, because she went through that stage with her own children, because she had them young.
Load More Replies...Men looking for free child care too. I mean come on! That shouldn't even bother the men if they wanted a serious relationship.
Load More Replies...She’s absolutely NTA. The actual a******s in this story are the men, that cannot handle her rejection and those, who posted the YTA comments.
I think maybe she simply needs someone in the same situation - with grown-up kids. Either this, or no kids at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting to raise any more young children. No idea why those men get so angry.
They got angry because they're idiots and she's not a pushover! A normal person would just accept her preferences and move on
Load More Replies...HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. "As a single mum in your 40s your options are limited" Dude, touch grass. She has ADULT children. So do l as a single mother. WE rule now, and lemme tell you how many options someone with adult children has over those with minors, regardless of gender. You have NO IDEA 😂
Last people commenting YTA and poster for even giving them a platform are the AH not her. And any man who would be okay being with a woman who has voiced her opinion on not wanting to be a surrogate mother to his kids is a horrible father willing to set his kids up for potential hurt and awkwardness for his own selfish desires. It's good they outed themselves as jerks and stunted fathers before she gaslit herself into giving them a chance and got roped into a life she didn't want. She deserves the world. And dudes need to take a clue and move on instead of insulting a women who voiced her desires on a stupid date site like its an attack. You cant force her to want you, despite what so many seem to think.
I've had a very similar experience with online dating apps. I neither have nor want kids, which I put in my profile (back when I used dating apps; I don't anymore), and would invariably get messages from men with kids. My dudes, I don't want kids of my own. I sure as hêll don't want yours. I wouldn't bother explaining, though; just decline and move on.
Exactly. You don't have to justify your life choices to random dudes. Especially if they don't bother to read (or even worse just ignore) your profile.
Load More Replies...There's endless dating profiles of men saying they won't date women with kids so how is this any different.
Many men feel entitled to women's free labor, especially when it comes to taking care of kids.
Load More Replies...I have a feeling that the guys who are getting upset are just looking for a F-nanny.
Bingo. Someone to screw around with when the kids are gone and dump all the child care on her when they are around.
Load More Replies...Absolutely NTA. For all the reasons she stated plus the fact that single dads very often try to delegate a lot of the child care to a new partner.
OP has the right not to want to raise children again. It's easy to find men who don't have children or whose children are grown and live independent lives. She just needs to specify that in her profile on the dating site. At 44, OP shouldn't have trouble finding men in their late 40s or in their 50s who match those criteria.
I'm in my mid 30s. If I was a single mom now to my elementary aged kid, I doubt I would be getting many responses either. These men are being hypocritical if anything. I wouldn't want to raise grown kids if my kid was already grown. You can't please these men. They're not happy when you're a single Mom of young children. Then they're not happy as single dad's when they get the same response of a single Mom who is done raising kids. Maybe find single parents of kids in the same age bracket of yours or something. I don't know. She doesn't want to be a part of raising more kids. That's a reasonable response.
I was 28 y/o single mom with 2 daughters. When I was ready to date again I got flakes for not wanting to meet men with kids. I knew how potentially difficult it was going to be trying to integrate a man into our little family and how much crazy it could be trying to get kids to get along. Not to mention the intricacies of blending different rules in different homes for different kids attempting to parent someone else's kids trying to juggle pick ups and drop off or holidays and of course dealing with the ex girlfriend/wife. On top of that I am not a fan of other people's kids and what if I didn't like them? They were probably not going to like me or one of my girls, not everyone likes everyone and nobody should have to. When my friends heard all this they thought I was going to be single forever. Wound up meeting a guy, fell into a relationship by accident (long story)even though my criteria had been met I had zero intentions of it being long term and now here we are 25 years later.
OP sounds like she's not really interested in a relationship and that's ok. Everything she said sounds like she's trying to date for her kids not really for herself. Also it's ok to have boundaries that she' doesn't want to get involved with other people's kids - I wouldn't either. As someone who has been super independent dating again is a minefield, but dating just to enjoy someone's company without a view to a long term relationship is ok. She's worked hard bringing up her family she's entitled to have some fun
She s 100% in the right. I dated a man with two younger kids. My kids were older. He promised that his exwife would "never give them up full time" to him. He had them every other weekend. We agreed that that we didn't want any kids of our own. Well sure enough, once married, his ex decided to kick out the troublesome 16 yr old girl and guess what--she wanted to live with Daddy. BIG MiSTake! He wanted to remain the "fun weekend parent" and that left all the discipline to me, so naturally I was the hated step mother. the "we don't want any kids" went straight out the window, and the daughter continued to f**k up her life and our lives. Stick to your boundaries!
The YTA people are acting like her kids still live with her and are still young.
Raising kids are hard, let alone rising them alone. I have 3 kids & I want no more. Having rules in relationships is important. It's your life. People can say what they want to say, they're not the one who'll face the consequences. Maybe it's a wake up call, or maybe because life isn't fair. Do things that'll do you good.
When will people learn that having ANY preferences for dating is fine as long as you're not an a*****e about it and not criticise people for not meeting your standards? You can decide to date only 4 fingered men with red hair and it's your choice as long as you're not leading anyone on nor pushing them to get amputations.
Kids/no kids, that's just another preference. No justification needed. If you're on apps, can't you set preferences on kids? And if you're meeting in person, don't explain, that just gives them a target, just say it's a deal breaker. If they whine and yell, it's a good indication they would be terrible partners anyway.
She needs to try a different dating app. One specifically for child free or those with adult children; and to look for men in their 40s-60s. Older men that are (hopeful) more mature and whose children (if any) are likely to be adults. Don't bother to respond to anyone under the age of 35.
Stepchildren have a difficult enough time. No need to inflict someone who doesn’t want them upon the kids. Probably would treat them as burdens anyway.
Seriously? You think those guys are looking for the sort of relationship that the kids could be involved in?
Load More Replies...NTA. If I were her I would give up on the dating apps and just start doing activities that will increase her friend group, like local art classes or something. If that leads to a relationship with the right person, great! If it doesn't, she'll have a bigger emotional support system of friends! win-win!
Stick to your guns here. Your preferences are yours alone. I am 43 with 2 adult children and I won't date a man unless his children are grown.
This lady sounds like a gem. No reason she shouldn't find what she's looking for. If she looks for a guy that's a bit older than her, it'll be easier. Probably more chances they've got grown up kids as well and have their life in order.
That was a long story when you simply could've changed your profile to NO MINOR CHILDREN, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Many children of divorced parents manipulate their parents and their partners. It is hell. They know how cause pain to get their way. I watch my boyfriend's daughters, 19 and 25, twist the truth to deeply hurt their father. He has crumbled from their vicious games. They have temper tantrums if I am around when they visit. We live in my house! I must leave if they visit. I never imagined people could be so heartless. My mother's new step daughters are 35 and 40. They compared their lives to mine, omitting any challenges, and decided it wasn't fair. They wanted a Boston apartment because i had one. They live in Wisconsin and want to visit often. I lived on Boston full time. They demanded I move. Kids can ruin relationships. Some are fully aware of the damage they cause, others are put in awkward situations by their parents. I would never date a man with kids living at home. Much too much drama. Been there, done that.
NTA! I would give it a go with older men. More time, more relaxed.
A beautifully written piece. Sounds like she did a great job raising kids. However, the real problem is - the fact that society makes her think she needed to explain ANY of that. The only required statement is, "I don't want kids." And - lo and behold - that's the end of the discussion. It doesn't matter if she already raised her kids, or never wanted kids, or anything else. If they get mad, shut the door, lock it, and move on - immediately.
Why use dating apps? Find some activities that you enjoy with or without someone else, and you will attract like-minded people or at least have fun and learn something new.
Your idea sounds wonderful. In practice it stopped working when I turned 50. Most people my age struggle to find dates. Finding friends is also difficult.
Load More Replies...Definitely NTA, but I'm pretty sure most dating apps have a filter for No Kids?
Feel for OP, dating in your 40s is brutal. Although not in the same situation I understand her perspective, yeah she has raised her children & there is the wish not to have to go through it again. She still suffering from the trauma of what she went through. She has fear that she connects with these fathers & gets to know & love the kids then if it's a single father(with no mother on scene) he disappears & leaves her with the kids to bring up & her going through all the trauma again. I don't have her experience, am opposite having never had any kind of real relationship & now online dating as I heading to 50. Guys certainly within my range ( 40 to 55) are in 3 camps. Those "figuring it out" - they are not ready for dating, & are not serious. Those "looking for fun", - sex only. Those ready to commit but come with kids/experiences & attitudes expected of the age group. Not an easy situation
Not to rain on your parade, but it only gets worse when you turn 50. Though kids are usually out or on their way out in our 50s, men are pretty much the same non committal mess with aging parents and their own physical issues.
Load More Replies...The only difference between her decision and Childfree people's decisions is that she had kids. Childfree people get HUGE backlash for saying, "No kids, not even yours" for refusing to date people who have any, not just those who want kids. Breeder males want a woman to dump their kids on and avoid the work themselves. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Oqb4mKx5o ]
She is limited in her dating pool. Perhaps date someone with kids but late teens or early to mid 20s like her own, or super young with no kids yet. Which means she may benefit from considering to either lower her age ranger to cougar levels, or up it to older men. Either way, she's entitled to feel how she feels. She's done her child rearing and isn't prepared to sacrifice "her turn", nor should she. My mum had kids young (the done thing, then) and divorced when I was 9. She remarried when I was 12...ish. To someone with kids older than me. Their "life outside of kids" got started. She was living. Enjoying herself. Getting to be a bit selfish before grandparenting. Then fell pregnant at 42. My stepdad suggested an abortion but, mum was strong pro life. She married at 18, kid at 19 and died at 58, her youngest was 16. She pretty much spent her life as mum or nanny. Not wasted. But she had her issues about it. And just as the youngest was becoming independent and as I had been told, "if you have kids, don't ask me to help. I've done my bit" (5 grandkids by now) and she could get back to "her" a bit. She got cancer and died. She was exhausted and fought for a bit. But honestly, when it returned, months after chemo ended, she laid her fight down and willed it to be over quickly. 8 weeks later, gone. This woman is being wise and drawing her boundaries about what she wants from life. It may limit her options. But she is fully entitled to that decision.
Every rule or preference limits your dating pool. But that's okay, because you're only looking for one really good fit, not dozens of bad ones.
Load More Replies...I don't want kids, don't have any sort of biological clock, so I wouldn't want to date a single father either! I'm not going to parent someone else's kids when I never wanted any in my life to begin with, and NO, the guy WOULD NOT change my mind! I'm sure there are a lot of wonderful men that are single fathers, but I'm not dealing with your baby mamas or your kids, sorry not sorry.
The only reason I ever considered dating my late husband is cuz his kid was 16, not a really young kid.
She is in no way whatsoever a hypocrite! She fully understood why men didn't want to date a single mom and is now using the same reasoning for not dating single dads. That is quite literally the opposite of being hypocritical.
She discovered a new flavor of the usual "you OWE me a date, how date you turn me down I'll see you in dating court" entitled dating site dudes
The thing is that woman are not able to have children beyond a certain age where as men can pollinate until they die. At 50, I specifically put on a dating profile that men with YOUNG children was deal breaker for me. Whoa! did I get called every name in the book from selfish b**tch to ignorant s**t. Most swore up and down that either, they only see their kids 2x a month or/and their little darling is just that, a little darling and I would fall head over momma from them. No thanks, grandpadad.
I wish more people set firm boundaries based on needs and outcomes and saw them through. We would have a lot less trouble and probably bullying. Preferences are subjective, and we all have them. Good for her, and I wish her luck.
It is not hypocritical to be a single parent and not want to date a single parent. For people that don't have kids or have young kids and not not realize it is. But it is VERY different to have adult children that no longer live at home and to have a toddler,school aged or teen child living at home. Even if it is part time. Yes you are still a parent to your children even when they are adults. But you not there present taking care of their day to day life because they are literal children still. Her being a "single parent" to adult children has no impact on a person she is dating at this point in her life. So for anyone saying it's hypocritical to not want to parent a man's minor children(which you absolutely will be regardless of what anyone may think) because they will be expected to live with her situation....what situation though?? A few phone calls a week and a weekly hangout do not impact a dating partner at all. There are two very different situations.
i dont think shes an ahole. honestly maybe she should give up and sign up for hobby classes or if she already has hobbies she should tell her kids thats what shes focusing on. unless she wants to fall in love its useless to date. im working on my 3rd kid right now with my husband if something happened to him id probably never date again and just focus on my kids (9,7 and unborn) and hobbies
When I was on dating apps, there were always men that said they didn't want kids, but after you talked you found out they were lying. Or lied saying they didn't have kids but figured I'd chance my mind after a couple of date. No kids means no kids, and no one has to justify why they don't want them. My suggestion to the OP would be that she doesn't have to date or have a male partner to have people in her life. Go to meet-ups, local hobby clubs, whatever meets her interests.
Read all the responses, Some great and some from a******s. Here is my two cents worth. GET A DOG.
NTA Using a dating app is pointless unless you're going to be truthful abt yourself & specific in the details of the person you're hoping to meet. OP has done that & how annoying it must be to be bothered, then insulted, by men who don't fit those requirements. She has set her limits & shouldn't compromise or settle for anything else.& OP's explanation of her position is very clear & leaves no doubt that she will stick to her guns.
Have you tried "not search" for a man? Seems like every time I figure I'm on my own, I find a guy, and this last one is perfect for me (after 27 year marriage dissolved before mye eyes). No one knows the plan, so do what that and enjoy your life. Your perfect person will show up when you least expect it.
give up on the men ( or at least realize it's going to be a very hard search ) & get a dog
I believe the dating sites to be pointless. I've had more success meeting a person through a common activity. Find something that is interesting to do and more male centric (if the opposite sex is your goal) so that it becomes a common interest and place to begin meeting people like minded. I used to do trivia nights. And met many "friends of trivia friends." I have also done volunteer work with Habitat and churches. OP is in the best position to just go out and have fun, learn things, and along the way, meet friends, and then meet their friends... It is much less frustrating to go about your life making yourself happy then dating apps. The right person will see your happiness and get drawn to it.
Since when are dating apps the only place where people are looking for possible partners? What happened to finding that one person among the people at work, after having talked with him/her during lunch for a year or so? What happened to that person in church, music group, the gym, the store, the book-club, new study, any activity you might do outside of your own house where you meet people, talk with them, get to know them, get more interested about them, really get to know them and than get 'more involved'? It feels so exhausting, having to skim through so much different pages/accounts for 'that one person' and then find out he/she lives too far away anyway or you don't 'match' for some other (in)significant reason.
If it's anything like I went through in my 20s. Lack of social life with everyone being too busy. I didn't have time between work/school or working odd hours and weekends. Now I have a husband and one child. I still don't have a social life.
Load More Replies...Why bother with a dating app? If you don't specifically want a. partner, then just get on with your life, hobbies and interests. If you meet a nice man doing those things, then great. If not, well you didn't particularly want one anyhow.
How is she a hypocrite if she is asking for someone in the same situation as her NOW? A hypocrite would be "I have kids but YOU can't have kids" These guys are too low IQ.
Maybe low IQ, but I think it's more likely that they're immature and/or think the world owes them something. Or perhaps they're sure they're god's gift to women and she'd be lucky to have them despite the kids. Its definitely an emotional issue, and they're obviously losers if they're angry that any specific woman isn't interested because of their situation. Do they get upset if somebody wants to buy a sedan and isn't interested in buying the truck they want to sell? She posted a want ad and they don't have what she's looking for. Its just *so* sad.
Load More Replies...As the YTAs show, most people don't read. My dating profile starts and ends with a very specific rule, and I still get propositioned on exactly that. A lot.
Maybe they should create a dating app where there are no pictures initially and the only thing to go with at first is the profile. Then again, people probably still wouldn't read it...
Load More Replies...Why even put those few YTAs at the end of each of these? If anything, they're the minority, and could be mentioned first. Like the articles on here are set up to leave a bad taste in your mouth when you're done.
I think of those as a "reality check" at the end to prepare readers once more for the real world - where common sense is still a rare and valuable resource.
Load More Replies...As a single mother with an adult child, it's completely true 😂
Load More Replies...She raised her kids and got them out and established, now she's got 20-25 years before retirement. I wouldn't want to spend the time raising kids all over again either. Big, big difference from those 20 yo guys who didn't want to be a parent yet or at all. Now she's got time for a happy healthy marriage (if she wants) and some golden years. Go for it girl!
I feel like the YTAs didn’t even read the whole post. How would she "miss dates because a kid is sick" or how would men have to put up with her "situation" if at this point, her children are adults who have moved out and live their own lives?
Have you read the whole post? She remembered that time when her children were small, so she went out a few times with someone else, but she always came back at a decent time, so she could dedicate her mornings to the children, and no one liked that, so she stopped going out without her children, that is, she devoted all her time to them and didn't go on dates at all. Until her now adult children suggested that she start going on dates because she is still young and completely free. And she doesn't want to be anyone's stepmother, because she went through that stage with her own children, because she had them young.
Load More Replies...Men looking for free child care too. I mean come on! That shouldn't even bother the men if they wanted a serious relationship.
Load More Replies...She’s absolutely NTA. The actual a******s in this story are the men, that cannot handle her rejection and those, who posted the YTA comments.
I think maybe she simply needs someone in the same situation - with grown-up kids. Either this, or no kids at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting to raise any more young children. No idea why those men get so angry.
They got angry because they're idiots and she's not a pushover! A normal person would just accept her preferences and move on
Load More Replies...HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. "As a single mum in your 40s your options are limited" Dude, touch grass. She has ADULT children. So do l as a single mother. WE rule now, and lemme tell you how many options someone with adult children has over those with minors, regardless of gender. You have NO IDEA 😂
Last people commenting YTA and poster for even giving them a platform are the AH not her. And any man who would be okay being with a woman who has voiced her opinion on not wanting to be a surrogate mother to his kids is a horrible father willing to set his kids up for potential hurt and awkwardness for his own selfish desires. It's good they outed themselves as jerks and stunted fathers before she gaslit herself into giving them a chance and got roped into a life she didn't want. She deserves the world. And dudes need to take a clue and move on instead of insulting a women who voiced her desires on a stupid date site like its an attack. You cant force her to want you, despite what so many seem to think.
I've had a very similar experience with online dating apps. I neither have nor want kids, which I put in my profile (back when I used dating apps; I don't anymore), and would invariably get messages from men with kids. My dudes, I don't want kids of my own. I sure as hêll don't want yours. I wouldn't bother explaining, though; just decline and move on.
Exactly. You don't have to justify your life choices to random dudes. Especially if they don't bother to read (or even worse just ignore) your profile.
Load More Replies...There's endless dating profiles of men saying they won't date women with kids so how is this any different.
Many men feel entitled to women's free labor, especially when it comes to taking care of kids.
Load More Replies...I have a feeling that the guys who are getting upset are just looking for a F-nanny.
Bingo. Someone to screw around with when the kids are gone and dump all the child care on her when they are around.
Load More Replies...Absolutely NTA. For all the reasons she stated plus the fact that single dads very often try to delegate a lot of the child care to a new partner.
OP has the right not to want to raise children again. It's easy to find men who don't have children or whose children are grown and live independent lives. She just needs to specify that in her profile on the dating site. At 44, OP shouldn't have trouble finding men in their late 40s or in their 50s who match those criteria.
I'm in my mid 30s. If I was a single mom now to my elementary aged kid, I doubt I would be getting many responses either. These men are being hypocritical if anything. I wouldn't want to raise grown kids if my kid was already grown. You can't please these men. They're not happy when you're a single Mom of young children. Then they're not happy as single dad's when they get the same response of a single Mom who is done raising kids. Maybe find single parents of kids in the same age bracket of yours or something. I don't know. She doesn't want to be a part of raising more kids. That's a reasonable response.
I was 28 y/o single mom with 2 daughters. When I was ready to date again I got flakes for not wanting to meet men with kids. I knew how potentially difficult it was going to be trying to integrate a man into our little family and how much crazy it could be trying to get kids to get along. Not to mention the intricacies of blending different rules in different homes for different kids attempting to parent someone else's kids trying to juggle pick ups and drop off or holidays and of course dealing with the ex girlfriend/wife. On top of that I am not a fan of other people's kids and what if I didn't like them? They were probably not going to like me or one of my girls, not everyone likes everyone and nobody should have to. When my friends heard all this they thought I was going to be single forever. Wound up meeting a guy, fell into a relationship by accident (long story)even though my criteria had been met I had zero intentions of it being long term and now here we are 25 years later.
OP sounds like she's not really interested in a relationship and that's ok. Everything she said sounds like she's trying to date for her kids not really for herself. Also it's ok to have boundaries that she' doesn't want to get involved with other people's kids - I wouldn't either. As someone who has been super independent dating again is a minefield, but dating just to enjoy someone's company without a view to a long term relationship is ok. She's worked hard bringing up her family she's entitled to have some fun
She s 100% in the right. I dated a man with two younger kids. My kids were older. He promised that his exwife would "never give them up full time" to him. He had them every other weekend. We agreed that that we didn't want any kids of our own. Well sure enough, once married, his ex decided to kick out the troublesome 16 yr old girl and guess what--she wanted to live with Daddy. BIG MiSTake! He wanted to remain the "fun weekend parent" and that left all the discipline to me, so naturally I was the hated step mother. the "we don't want any kids" went straight out the window, and the daughter continued to f**k up her life and our lives. Stick to your boundaries!
The YTA people are acting like her kids still live with her and are still young.
Raising kids are hard, let alone rising them alone. I have 3 kids & I want no more. Having rules in relationships is important. It's your life. People can say what they want to say, they're not the one who'll face the consequences. Maybe it's a wake up call, or maybe because life isn't fair. Do things that'll do you good.
When will people learn that having ANY preferences for dating is fine as long as you're not an a*****e about it and not criticise people for not meeting your standards? You can decide to date only 4 fingered men with red hair and it's your choice as long as you're not leading anyone on nor pushing them to get amputations.
Kids/no kids, that's just another preference. No justification needed. If you're on apps, can't you set preferences on kids? And if you're meeting in person, don't explain, that just gives them a target, just say it's a deal breaker. If they whine and yell, it's a good indication they would be terrible partners anyway.
She needs to try a different dating app. One specifically for child free or those with adult children; and to look for men in their 40s-60s. Older men that are (hopeful) more mature and whose children (if any) are likely to be adults. Don't bother to respond to anyone under the age of 35.
Stepchildren have a difficult enough time. No need to inflict someone who doesn’t want them upon the kids. Probably would treat them as burdens anyway.
Seriously? You think those guys are looking for the sort of relationship that the kids could be involved in?
Load More Replies...NTA. If I were her I would give up on the dating apps and just start doing activities that will increase her friend group, like local art classes or something. If that leads to a relationship with the right person, great! If it doesn't, she'll have a bigger emotional support system of friends! win-win!
Stick to your guns here. Your preferences are yours alone. I am 43 with 2 adult children and I won't date a man unless his children are grown.
This lady sounds like a gem. No reason she shouldn't find what she's looking for. If she looks for a guy that's a bit older than her, it'll be easier. Probably more chances they've got grown up kids as well and have their life in order.
That was a long story when you simply could've changed your profile to NO MINOR CHILDREN, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Many children of divorced parents manipulate their parents and their partners. It is hell. They know how cause pain to get their way. I watch my boyfriend's daughters, 19 and 25, twist the truth to deeply hurt their father. He has crumbled from their vicious games. They have temper tantrums if I am around when they visit. We live in my house! I must leave if they visit. I never imagined people could be so heartless. My mother's new step daughters are 35 and 40. They compared their lives to mine, omitting any challenges, and decided it wasn't fair. They wanted a Boston apartment because i had one. They live in Wisconsin and want to visit often. I lived on Boston full time. They demanded I move. Kids can ruin relationships. Some are fully aware of the damage they cause, others are put in awkward situations by their parents. I would never date a man with kids living at home. Much too much drama. Been there, done that.
NTA! I would give it a go with older men. More time, more relaxed.
A beautifully written piece. Sounds like she did a great job raising kids. However, the real problem is - the fact that society makes her think she needed to explain ANY of that. The only required statement is, "I don't want kids." And - lo and behold - that's the end of the discussion. It doesn't matter if she already raised her kids, or never wanted kids, or anything else. If they get mad, shut the door, lock it, and move on - immediately.
Why use dating apps? Find some activities that you enjoy with or without someone else, and you will attract like-minded people or at least have fun and learn something new.
Your idea sounds wonderful. In practice it stopped working when I turned 50. Most people my age struggle to find dates. Finding friends is also difficult.
Load More Replies...Definitely NTA, but I'm pretty sure most dating apps have a filter for No Kids?
Feel for OP, dating in your 40s is brutal. Although not in the same situation I understand her perspective, yeah she has raised her children & there is the wish not to have to go through it again. She still suffering from the trauma of what she went through. She has fear that she connects with these fathers & gets to know & love the kids then if it's a single father(with no mother on scene) he disappears & leaves her with the kids to bring up & her going through all the trauma again. I don't have her experience, am opposite having never had any kind of real relationship & now online dating as I heading to 50. Guys certainly within my range ( 40 to 55) are in 3 camps. Those "figuring it out" - they are not ready for dating, & are not serious. Those "looking for fun", - sex only. Those ready to commit but come with kids/experiences & attitudes expected of the age group. Not an easy situation
Not to rain on your parade, but it only gets worse when you turn 50. Though kids are usually out or on their way out in our 50s, men are pretty much the same non committal mess with aging parents and their own physical issues.
Load More Replies...The only difference between her decision and Childfree people's decisions is that she had kids. Childfree people get HUGE backlash for saying, "No kids, not even yours" for refusing to date people who have any, not just those who want kids. Breeder males want a woman to dump their kids on and avoid the work themselves. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Oqb4mKx5o ]
She is limited in her dating pool. Perhaps date someone with kids but late teens or early to mid 20s like her own, or super young with no kids yet. Which means she may benefit from considering to either lower her age ranger to cougar levels, or up it to older men. Either way, she's entitled to feel how she feels. She's done her child rearing and isn't prepared to sacrifice "her turn", nor should she. My mum had kids young (the done thing, then) and divorced when I was 9. She remarried when I was 12...ish. To someone with kids older than me. Their "life outside of kids" got started. She was living. Enjoying herself. Getting to be a bit selfish before grandparenting. Then fell pregnant at 42. My stepdad suggested an abortion but, mum was strong pro life. She married at 18, kid at 19 and died at 58, her youngest was 16. She pretty much spent her life as mum or nanny. Not wasted. But she had her issues about it. And just as the youngest was becoming independent and as I had been told, "if you have kids, don't ask me to help. I've done my bit" (5 grandkids by now) and she could get back to "her" a bit. She got cancer and died. She was exhausted and fought for a bit. But honestly, when it returned, months after chemo ended, she laid her fight down and willed it to be over quickly. 8 weeks later, gone. This woman is being wise and drawing her boundaries about what she wants from life. It may limit her options. But she is fully entitled to that decision.
Every rule or preference limits your dating pool. But that's okay, because you're only looking for one really good fit, not dozens of bad ones.
Load More Replies...I don't want kids, don't have any sort of biological clock, so I wouldn't want to date a single father either! I'm not going to parent someone else's kids when I never wanted any in my life to begin with, and NO, the guy WOULD NOT change my mind! I'm sure there are a lot of wonderful men that are single fathers, but I'm not dealing with your baby mamas or your kids, sorry not sorry.
The only reason I ever considered dating my late husband is cuz his kid was 16, not a really young kid.
She is in no way whatsoever a hypocrite! She fully understood why men didn't want to date a single mom and is now using the same reasoning for not dating single dads. That is quite literally the opposite of being hypocritical.
She discovered a new flavor of the usual "you OWE me a date, how date you turn me down I'll see you in dating court" entitled dating site dudes
The thing is that woman are not able to have children beyond a certain age where as men can pollinate until they die. At 50, I specifically put on a dating profile that men with YOUNG children was deal breaker for me. Whoa! did I get called every name in the book from selfish b**tch to ignorant s**t. Most swore up and down that either, they only see their kids 2x a month or/and their little darling is just that, a little darling and I would fall head over momma from them. No thanks, grandpadad.
I wish more people set firm boundaries based on needs and outcomes and saw them through. We would have a lot less trouble and probably bullying. Preferences are subjective, and we all have them. Good for her, and I wish her luck.
It is not hypocritical to be a single parent and not want to date a single parent. For people that don't have kids or have young kids and not not realize it is. But it is VERY different to have adult children that no longer live at home and to have a toddler,school aged or teen child living at home. Even if it is part time. Yes you are still a parent to your children even when they are adults. But you not there present taking care of their day to day life because they are literal children still. Her being a "single parent" to adult children has no impact on a person she is dating at this point in her life. So for anyone saying it's hypocritical to not want to parent a man's minor children(which you absolutely will be regardless of what anyone may think) because they will be expected to live with her situation....what situation though?? A few phone calls a week and a weekly hangout do not impact a dating partner at all. There are two very different situations.
i dont think shes an ahole. honestly maybe she should give up and sign up for hobby classes or if she already has hobbies she should tell her kids thats what shes focusing on. unless she wants to fall in love its useless to date. im working on my 3rd kid right now with my husband if something happened to him id probably never date again and just focus on my kids (9,7 and unborn) and hobbies
When I was on dating apps, there were always men that said they didn't want kids, but after you talked you found out they were lying. Or lied saying they didn't have kids but figured I'd chance my mind after a couple of date. No kids means no kids, and no one has to justify why they don't want them. My suggestion to the OP would be that she doesn't have to date or have a male partner to have people in her life. Go to meet-ups, local hobby clubs, whatever meets her interests.
Read all the responses, Some great and some from a******s. Here is my two cents worth. GET A DOG.
NTA Using a dating app is pointless unless you're going to be truthful abt yourself & specific in the details of the person you're hoping to meet. OP has done that & how annoying it must be to be bothered, then insulted, by men who don't fit those requirements. She has set her limits & shouldn't compromise or settle for anything else.& OP's explanation of her position is very clear & leaves no doubt that she will stick to her guns.
Have you tried "not search" for a man? Seems like every time I figure I'm on my own, I find a guy, and this last one is perfect for me (after 27 year marriage dissolved before mye eyes). No one knows the plan, so do what that and enjoy your life. Your perfect person will show up when you least expect it.
give up on the men ( or at least realize it's going to be a very hard search ) & get a dog
I believe the dating sites to be pointless. I've had more success meeting a person through a common activity. Find something that is interesting to do and more male centric (if the opposite sex is your goal) so that it becomes a common interest and place to begin meeting people like minded. I used to do trivia nights. And met many "friends of trivia friends." I have also done volunteer work with Habitat and churches. OP is in the best position to just go out and have fun, learn things, and along the way, meet friends, and then meet their friends... It is much less frustrating to go about your life making yourself happy then dating apps. The right person will see your happiness and get drawn to it.
Since when are dating apps the only place where people are looking for possible partners? What happened to finding that one person among the people at work, after having talked with him/her during lunch for a year or so? What happened to that person in church, music group, the gym, the store, the book-club, new study, any activity you might do outside of your own house where you meet people, talk with them, get to know them, get more interested about them, really get to know them and than get 'more involved'? It feels so exhausting, having to skim through so much different pages/accounts for 'that one person' and then find out he/she lives too far away anyway or you don't 'match' for some other (in)significant reason.
If it's anything like I went through in my 20s. Lack of social life with everyone being too busy. I didn't have time between work/school or working odd hours and weekends. Now I have a husband and one child. I still don't have a social life.
Load More Replies...Why bother with a dating app? If you don't specifically want a. partner, then just get on with your life, hobbies and interests. If you meet a nice man doing those things, then great. If not, well you didn't particularly want one anyhow.
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