Dad And Daughter Refuse To Attend Family Trip Over One Person: “Really Need A Wake-Up Call”
Interview With AuthorMost of us spend the entire year looking forward to an upcoming vacation. Whether you’re in desperate need of a break from work or school, there’s nothing better than finally being able to relax without responsibilities and spend some quality time with loved ones.
But the entire purpose of going on a trip can quickly be ruined if there’s someone in attendance who won’t let you experience peace. Below, you’ll find a story that a concerned father recently posted on Reddit, explaining why he is refusing to go on an upcoming family trip if his daughter’s bully will be in attendance. Keep reading to find all of the details, as well as a conversation with the father who shared this post.
This man goes on an annual vacation with his family every December
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But when he found out that his daughter’s bully was invited, he decided that the two of them would be skipping this year
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“I have a lot more people in my corner than I initially thought”
To find out more about this situation, we got in touch with the father who made this post, Reddit user Natural-Mountain-641. He was kind enough to have a chat with Bored Panda and share what’s happened since he reached out for advice online.
“I wouldn’t exactly say there’s a full update, and I have not spoken to my sister since this conversation happened,” he revealed. “Her husband, who has been in my life for 25 or so years and I truly consider a brother, sent me a message that said that they’re figuring something out and left it at that. He always doted on my daughter, and he and I have had extensive conversations about disliking Jeff, so I was finding it hard to believe that he just went along with this with no complaints.”
We also wanted to know if the dad was still feeling pressure to attend the trip. “My entire family wants me to go, though some are more willing to disinvite Jeff than others,” he shared. “I do want to make it clear; everyone found out about Jeff going when I put in the group chat that I would no longer attend because of his presence. Most of my family was just concerned with me still attending, at first, and it wasn’t until the initial conversation cooled down that people started making their opinions known.”
“My mother and my sister in law are the only people who think that we should come without complaint to keep the peace, and are still trying to convince me to do so,” the dad continued. “My father, brother, and my other sister and her husband have made it abundantly clear that they think it’s abhorrent that anyone would consider bringing Jeff along, for no other reason than the issues my daughter has been having with him. I have a lot more people in my corner than I initially thought.”
Next, we were curious what Emily’s cousin thinks of Jeff’s behavior. “It’s really difficult to tell,” the father noted. “He speaks out against it, just not hard. It’s usually something like ‘come on bro, that’s not cool’ or ‘dude chill’ or some other casual way to mildly condemn him.”
“He and Emily are close in age and grew up like siblings, and they generally treat each other as such,” the author added. “He knows how Jeff acts, and he’s apologized to Emily on his behalf, though it was sort of a half-[hearted] apology. He has known Jeff since they were probably 8 or so, and the bullying didn’t start until a year and a half ago.”
“I’m really thankful for the different perspectives I received”
As far as what he thought of the replies to his post, the father said that they were surprising. “Most of them were helpful, giving me ideas that I hadn’t thought of or helping me realizing certain things,” he shared. “I’m really thankful for the different perspectives I received when I was so high-strung that I could barely think.”
“When I made this post, I really thought I was taking away from a kid in a terrible circumstance just to protect my daughter from something that my sister had told me was ‘made up danger,’ that Jeff wouldn’t act that way in front of us. I realized pretty soon after that that wasn’t the case,” the dad added.
But, unfortunately, not all of the comments were kind. “There was one in particular that said something like, ‘What kind of father even needs to ask? You’re a failure.’ And that really got to me,” the author shared. “Another comment I got a lot was about involving a lawyer or the police. I stopped replying to these comments because I wasn’t sure what I was able to divulge given that I have reached out to a lawyer (who was called a dud in another comment because I mentioned he was getting his ducks in a row) and did not want to mess anything up there.”
The father noted that he also tried going to the police, but they were “less than helpful.”
“I keep seeing comments that say I haven’t done enough at the school, as if they can base that on my Reddit post where I purposely withheld information so that it wasn’t possible for anyone to tell it was me,” the father continued. “It was a bit frustrating to feel like I couldn’t defend myself because I wanted to keep some semblance of privacy.”
“Also, on a less serious note, I was surprised by the amount of people that thought this was AI. Their reasoning was that I was getting constant messages and my family was split, which is so cliché, and that I used too many big words,” the dad added. “Also, somebody said ‘disinvite‘ wasn’t a word and that uninvite was the word I should have used. It threw me off.”
It’s a parent’s job to ensure that their children feel safe
It’s no secret that bullying is a prevalent issue in schools today. According to the National Center for Educational Statistics, over 20% of kids report being bullied in school, and 41% of those students believe that being targeted by bullies was not a one-time thing.
While bullying primarily does occur in school hallways, classrooms, cafeterias and outside on school grounds, that doesn’t mean that kids are immune to it everywhere else. And it’s perfectly reasonable for a victim of bullying to be concerned about their bully targeting them anywhere, including on a family vacation.
Some people might assume that bullying is a rite of passage or builds character, but that’s simply not the case. It can be traumatic and cause lifelong damage to a person’s mental health. According to McLean Hospital, bullying often causes a loss of self-confidence, increased self-criticism and increased self-isolation.
The National Child Traumatic Stress Network also notes on their site that victims of bullies often experience stress, anxiety and depression, anger or frustration, feelings of rejection, changes in sleeping or eating patterns, health complaints and poor relational skills. Their academic performance might also start to suffer, and they may even consider hurting themselves or ending their own life.
Bullying is something that should always be taken seriously, and it’s a parent’s responsibility to ensure that their child is protected and safe. In fact, feeling safe and secure is extremely important for children and teens.
Psychotherapist Tina Payne Bryson, PhD, told Fatherly that some of the best ways to ensure that your kids feel safe is to pay plenty of attention to them. Listen to what they have to say and take their concerns seriously.
Dr. Bryson also recommends that parents look at what is behind their child’s behavior, what’s going on inside the kid’s mind. And, of course, if your child expresses that they have been bullied or feel unsafe around a particular person, it’s probably a good idea to keep them away from that person at all times.
We would love to hear your thoughts on this situation in the comments below, pandas. Do you think this father made the right choice by pulling out of his family’s vacation? Feel free to weigh in. Then, if you’d like to check out another Bored Panda article discussing bully drama, we recommend reading this one next!
Many readers left supportive comments for the father, and he joined in on the conversation
However, some thought that the father should have done more to stand up for his daughter
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OP's daughter had a full blown panic attack over this, and he's still wondering if he's being selfish? Also, that last YTA just *has* to be a troll.
I literally chortled (in disbelief.) "Imagine growing up without parents" - like Emily did, since she only has one? (Her dad, who is clearly an AWESOME parent, I'm just pointing out the absolutely ludicrous stance of "imagine growing up without parents" - yeah, Jeff's parents are divorced, but so are Emily's!)
Load More Replies..."the school is not helping out my kid". They never do. You'll have to find your own solution. They NEVER do. Anyone whose been bullied at school knows this.
The school doing nothing is actually a better case scenario. Sometimes school staff takes an active part in the bullying.
Load More Replies...My wife has been collecting strays since my stepkids were kids. Any of their friends had a place to sleep or hangout and a meal - it wouldn't be unusual to have 8-10 kids show up for dinner. I was fine with it - I knew how to make big pots of food, so we had plenty. My teen daughter is now dating a stray, but he seems to be a good kid. If any of them did anything to a member of the family or friend group, they would be out... no one is "owed anything". And the bully doesn't "need this", he needs to understand actions have consequences and that being needlessly cruel gets you less in life.
That last YTA idiot... "Jeff needs this" ????? No he does not! I'd promise him the world first and then at the last minute, I'd be the AH... put him against the wall and be like, "yeah, you see her? That's my daughter that you've been f***ng with all this time. She's going on this trip and you're not! So, what you're going to do is watch as we walk away and you can eat our dust you punk a** little pr**k!" Sorry, I was bullied from kindergarten to 12th. I can't stand bullies!
You either defend your daughter, or you don't. I trust you don't need help in this decision. YTA for even considering not.
I agree. I will never forgive my father for ever siding with all my abusers and bullies, even if he would change.
Load More Replies...Auntie can include Jeff on another vacation with just her, her husband, her son, and Jeff, plus any other children she has. But THIS vacation? This FAMILY vacation? Is she insane? No f*****g way. I know she’s trying to be understanding of Jeff’s s****y home life, and to help show him what a more normal family is like, but she should also take into consideration that her niece has been Jeff’s favorite target for abuse for way too long now. If she expects nothing to happen while they’re all cooped up together for two weeks, she’s delusional. With all the raging hormones and lack of critical thinking of a16 year old boy who has already bullied a girl, including ripping her clothing, he could use any and every opportunity to do much, much worse to her. Does Auntie, as well as the rest of the family, not understand that risk? BTW, what are the odds that Jeff should be the cousin’s BFF? That almost sounds planned by Jeff, to be connected to his favorite target/victim and be able to gain access to abuse her. Think that’s impossible? Think again. When it comes to people who have been mentally and emotionally wired to be abusive, and have already been acting out on it for years, such predatory stalking behavior is entirely possible. If it isn’t shut down and dealt with (mental health intervention), they can end up leaving countless victims in their wake. If Auntie REALLY wants to help Jeff, she can pay to get him into intensive therapy ASAP. But she needs to protect her own family from him until he (hopefully) has his breakthrough and works on becoming a better person, who is working hard to rewire his brain for positive behavior—-as well as sincerely apologizing to his past victims. Especially OP’s daughter. Remember, her mental health, and her life, can be severely damaged by his abuse. That thought should be foremost in the entire family’s minds, and I am sorely disappointed and honestly shocked that it apparently is not.
I think that OPs sister should NEVER take a bully on holiday! Why does he deserve it? Why can't his sister understand? It's his daughter that needs a break not this bully! I wouldn't let my child hang out with a bully in the first place, never mind take him on holiday! But the fact that he's bullying her niece and she's trying to make a case for his home life being disruptive-oh no no no, actions have consequences and he's learning that "I'm getting away with bullying this girl/niece and they STILL want me to come on holiday"? "Wait until I get back and bully her even more because her family totally turned their backs on her because they'd rather me go"? Wtaf no f******g way!!!
Load More Replies...Jeff is not family and what he needs is not your responsibility. The fact that your family would put the needs of a POS like Jeff above your daughter makes me question how good you try and make them out to be.
So, the daughter is less important to the extended family than their little token philanthropy project with Jeff. That's all well and Hallmark of them, but I don't see why that has to come at the expense of a family member? Why is Jeff more important than their own grandaughter/cousin? Isn't this a FAMILY trip? Jeff ain't family.
But auntie can now brag how she helped a child in need. The sacrifice of her niece is nothing compared to the grand gesture of "rescuing" a poor boy... For those in doubt: this is absolutely a cynic commentary. I know people who would make/have made similar choices and their high is short lived...
Load More Replies...Some (most) authors of AITHA threads know if they are or aren't and are just looking for people to engage with them. Here, there is no way this guy thinks for a second he is an AH. Maybe he is looking for feedback on what to say to his stupid sister and others who have chosen to support a bully over their relative.
You YTA f*****s are as bad as the bully, you absolute trolls! Stop looking for stories that you want to pick apart because you think the dad hasn't done enough. WHAT TF ARE YOU READING? He's said that he hasn't put everything on here and he's done all sorts! Bullies the lot of you!!!! What an awesome dad you are! Ignore trolls, they stick together, like this bully and your nephew AND to then have a sister feeling sorry for him? I know that people like this bully can become a target because of his home life, but he's got there first to make sure that doesn't happen, by picking on someone who is quiet and wouldn't hurt a damn sole! He's older and knows exactly what he's doing. I'd never want to speak to my family that let this bully go on holiday. If he actually goes and you two don't, that would be the last straw for me. You're fabulous and don't listen to trolls! Hope your daughter get's so strong from this and I'm over the moon she hit him! The school was wrong NOT HER!!! AHs!!!
It isn't the bottom line! It's way worse for the victim if this bully goes on this holiday. Even though we know they won't go, the message is loud and clear. He (bully) won't believe his luck that he was allowed to go knowing what he's done! He going to think he's invincible and will make her life even more miserable! Way to make power go to someone's head! If he had consequences to his behaviour, he'd be thinking about that, but when bad behaviour comes with an holiday and he's picked to go instead of her, what message is that sending??? He's going to be an adult soon and he's going to be abusive! Simply because it's ok to bully a girl younger than him. He's a boy that's going to carry on this behaviour with anyone who is in a relationship with! That's a frightening thought! This has a s**t more consequences if this happens! To any female that crosses his path. Scary stuff!!
Load More Replies...Little stinker 69 can f**k right off. Imagine excusing physical and mental harm because they don't have parents? Dad is awesome, the family can suck it. I hope they have a fabulous holiday of their own and that the bully breaks a bone on holiday.
The two foster homes I grew up in exposed me to bullies at school; the last one, the whole foster family consisted of bullies. I was bullied from 1st through 9th grade. Yet here I am--without criminal charges. Jeff is well on his way to being a convict with his behavior. He has no business going on a trip with non-family, especially with his victim. OP is making the right move in not going; he's not being petulant, he's being a father. His sister has already chosen a delinquent over her own niece; let her and the rest of the family enjoy the fallout. Who's to say that Jeff wouldn't corner his victim and do something even worse to her?
Normalize no. People need to get a grip and realize their actions have consequences.
Update: the whole family got together to discuss it and Jeff is no longer invited. Most people had t known he was invited in the first place and were against it. Sisters husband didn’t even know and was also against it. Daughter wants to go as long as Jeff isn’t going so they will be on the trip
Did anyone else see the same unclosable ad that covered entire paragraphs seven times? Just me? 🫠
Nope not just you. They really want people to go premium 🙄
Load More Replies...Hopefully Jeff didn't accept the invitation because he thought he'd get the chance to bully OP's daughter on vacation too and when she doesn't show up he zeroes in on another target for some fun.
I have some sympathy towards Jeff who seems to be placing all his anger from his terrible life on the daughter who he obviously envies very much. He’s one of those people who is probably quite nice except towards his target. Has your sister or anyone in your family ever had a direct conversation with him stating that he cannot behave like this and maintainhis relationship with the family with consequences? Regardless, you and your daughter cannot attend the vacation with him. A better solution would be to exclude him but let him know why, leaving the door open for him to attend in the future if he behaves better and makes amends.
I don't. They vast majority of us who grew up in really bad situations don't take it out on others. If you're being an a*****e because of your home life, you're just an a*****e.
Load More Replies...Bullies like this only understand power. The girl is going to have to get physical and brutal at some point, and do what needs to be done. Only then will the bully get the message. Retired teacher here, and someone who got bullied as a fat girl growing up. I used my words; didn't work. Every single time, when I stepped up to someone, laid the hammer down, and did what needed to be done physically, only a couple of times in my life, did they lay off. But having to get to that point, UGH! I'd much rather just destroy someone with my mouth than use hands, but bullies choose their own karma.
I would take this evil boy on the trip, and make his stay a living hell.
Go, wait for Jeff to step out of line and beat the living s**t out of him. If violence is his "love language" aka "he just has a crush on her", then speak the language he understands. Then force him to kiss your daughter's shoes, lick them, and beg for forgiveness. Don't forget to film that and send it to his male friends. Then see if he wants to stay (in which case you go on to a different holiday with your lovely daughter) or if he pisses off (enjoy the holiday with your family). Yeah, I'm not nice anymore.
I was thinking that same thing. Tell the SOB before the trip begins, if you make googly eyes at my daughter yours will need to be a closed casket funeral.
Load More Replies...No way in God's green earth are you the ah. I cannot ever imagine being cooped up with a kid who has assaulted me in a mfing FAMILY trip!! Can you imagine the worst thing he could do to your daughter??? Dear God!! And SHAME on your sister for even suggesting this. Let her take the bully somewhere in her own!! How on earth is this even an issue?? Stand by your daughter, no matter what!!! You have got this exactly right!! No second guesses no family guilt and they can pi$$ off.
Your family is choosing a bully over your daughter. Shame on them for not acknowledging and respecting how your daughter feels. You are making the right decision! Don't even feel bad about it and tell the family members to stop texting/calling you about it....
NTA. By the things you've been trying with the school, the police, & an attorney, you're showing Emily that Dad will always have her back & teaching her she deserves respect. It looks like more of your family members support you than don't, but are there any rules to this "family vacation"? Can anybody just unilaterally decide to bring someone else along? Why does your sister have so much power & say-so? & Why does she not care more abt Emily? Or her own son, for that matter - is Jeff really the kind of friend she wants for her son? Yes, he has a bad home life but a) that doesn't excuse the bullying & b) if Sister really wants to help him, this vacation isn't going to "fix" him, 'tho he'd surely enjoy it. If she's serious about wanting to help him, she can take him on as her personal project, maybe go so far as to pay for counseling or even tr6yto get guardianship. Otherwise she's, at best, sticking a band-aid on his problems - not actually doing anything to improve his situation - &, worse, reinforcing the idea (which so far is true) that there are no consequences for his actions. Furthermore, he triumphs by causing Emily to miss the trip. One concern is that if Sister comes to her senses & doesn't insist on taking him, or if somehow the family group puts a stop to his coming, Jeff is going to blame Emily & who knows how he'd react & retaliate? If you're in the US, don't stop with the school. Go to the school district offices & to the school board. I doubt either would like to be sued for negligence, for not taking steps to ensure a student's - all students' - safety, for turning a blind eye to your reports of sexual harassment & of criminal assault. Emily's lucky to have you & I hope you two come up with a fabulous trip of your own - maybe take some of Emily's friends with you.
This father's family is enabling this bully just by inviting him. They are bullying the father by trying to get him to come on the vacation. His family is clueless! Kids commit suicide from bullying. The bully needs help or this is just going to get worse and he's going to end up really hurting someone. God forbid he gets married. The family needs help with therapy in understanding bullying and what it does to someone. Until the family understand this, I think the father and daughter should stay the heck away from the family because God only knows what else they think is alright.
I can't imagine a world where my niece or nephew get bullied and I INVITE the bully on a family vacation where they have to be around each other. I can't imagine a world where I'd sustain a bully to be anywhere NEAR my niece or nephew!!!
Eff that cousin for being friends with a dude who continues to abûse his cousin 🤬 Bet myself an iced latte cousin dearest is in on the bullying campaign. Can't wait to read about those two committing a crime and the cousin is left holding the evidence. Are mummy and daddy going to defend poor Jeffie after he screws over their kid since niece isn't a priority or really a person to them? The will of the group outweighing the glaring needs of one individual: fascism begins at home.
The dad is an a*****e. But only because he has allowed physical harm from the bully. I would have already go to the police to denounce the kid for sexual assault ( ripping her clothes surely counts)
Go on the trip. Find some alone time with Jeff in the woods. Put the fear of Jeebus into him.
Send your daughter to an amazing vacation with a friend. Then you go to this family vacation and absolutely torment the s**t out of Jeff. Throw his new wintercoat in a full toilet. See how your family feels then and then you can say: this is what he does to YOUR NIECE.
Wait. SHE also had to write and read an apology letter? To a boy who assaulted and battered her? That's fxcked up.
Get a restraining order against Jeff, that way he won’t legally be allowed to go. If you and your daughter attend and Jeff shows up, have him arrested immediately.
Attitudes like OP's sister produces lifetime offenders who expect "I had a rough childhood" to be a defense for a felony charge. Better for him to learn now that he is responsible for his behavior rather than learn it from his probation officer.
Since the bully’s usual target won’t be there on vacation, Jeff will find another 🎯 target or simply drastically misbehave…or be scaringly sly Doubt he would ever be invited anywhere near them again including demanding nephew to defriend
He’s not her bully, he’s her abuser and full blown trauma trigger at this point. If a predator or meth addict in active addition was around your child, and especially if they had harmed them already, would you even be asking or hesitant? If you made her go you would actually be enabling the abuse by giving him access to your child, fully aware of the damage it would cause them. Why would your family pity a near stranger more than their OWN niece?? Your actions now will solidify forever the value she believes you have for her. Don’t ever even let her know you considered going.
If this young man expences natural consequences for onaappropriate behavior, he has the opportunity to fix it. If the fmly failed to tell him thathr had to fix this before he could gooon family trips again, they failed him. I suspect he also needs a Michelle Garcia winners social thinking and when daughter is willing restorative justice
NTA! If your sister is making excuses for this little s**t, then your sister is enabling. Personally I would have pulled this kid off to the side and told him "If I catch wind of you GOING ANYWHERE NEAR MY DAUGHTER, I WILL RIP YOUR HEART OUT AND FEED IT TO YOU". Then dare him to try me. This type of behavior is what school shootings and suicides and such are the beginnings of.
Sometimes bullies are victims of chaos at home and so bullying someone else is their attempt at control. Criminal in the making.
While bullying has always been an issue it was never as bad before scholls administrators were allowed to get too lazy to determain who started a fight and only punish the guilty party and not the victim defending themself.
If the family is well off as they claim why doesn't OP take Jeff on a different vacation???
OP's daughter had a full blown panic attack over this, and he's still wondering if he's being selfish? Also, that last YTA just *has* to be a troll.
I literally chortled (in disbelief.) "Imagine growing up without parents" - like Emily did, since she only has one? (Her dad, who is clearly an AWESOME parent, I'm just pointing out the absolutely ludicrous stance of "imagine growing up without parents" - yeah, Jeff's parents are divorced, but so are Emily's!)
Load More Replies..."the school is not helping out my kid". They never do. You'll have to find your own solution. They NEVER do. Anyone whose been bullied at school knows this.
The school doing nothing is actually a better case scenario. Sometimes school staff takes an active part in the bullying.
Load More Replies...My wife has been collecting strays since my stepkids were kids. Any of their friends had a place to sleep or hangout and a meal - it wouldn't be unusual to have 8-10 kids show up for dinner. I was fine with it - I knew how to make big pots of food, so we had plenty. My teen daughter is now dating a stray, but he seems to be a good kid. If any of them did anything to a member of the family or friend group, they would be out... no one is "owed anything". And the bully doesn't "need this", he needs to understand actions have consequences and that being needlessly cruel gets you less in life.
That last YTA idiot... "Jeff needs this" ????? No he does not! I'd promise him the world first and then at the last minute, I'd be the AH... put him against the wall and be like, "yeah, you see her? That's my daughter that you've been f***ng with all this time. She's going on this trip and you're not! So, what you're going to do is watch as we walk away and you can eat our dust you punk a** little pr**k!" Sorry, I was bullied from kindergarten to 12th. I can't stand bullies!
You either defend your daughter, or you don't. I trust you don't need help in this decision. YTA for even considering not.
I agree. I will never forgive my father for ever siding with all my abusers and bullies, even if he would change.
Load More Replies...Auntie can include Jeff on another vacation with just her, her husband, her son, and Jeff, plus any other children she has. But THIS vacation? This FAMILY vacation? Is she insane? No f*****g way. I know she’s trying to be understanding of Jeff’s s****y home life, and to help show him what a more normal family is like, but she should also take into consideration that her niece has been Jeff’s favorite target for abuse for way too long now. If she expects nothing to happen while they’re all cooped up together for two weeks, she’s delusional. With all the raging hormones and lack of critical thinking of a16 year old boy who has already bullied a girl, including ripping her clothing, he could use any and every opportunity to do much, much worse to her. Does Auntie, as well as the rest of the family, not understand that risk? BTW, what are the odds that Jeff should be the cousin’s BFF? That almost sounds planned by Jeff, to be connected to his favorite target/victim and be able to gain access to abuse her. Think that’s impossible? Think again. When it comes to people who have been mentally and emotionally wired to be abusive, and have already been acting out on it for years, such predatory stalking behavior is entirely possible. If it isn’t shut down and dealt with (mental health intervention), they can end up leaving countless victims in their wake. If Auntie REALLY wants to help Jeff, she can pay to get him into intensive therapy ASAP. But she needs to protect her own family from him until he (hopefully) has his breakthrough and works on becoming a better person, who is working hard to rewire his brain for positive behavior—-as well as sincerely apologizing to his past victims. Especially OP’s daughter. Remember, her mental health, and her life, can be severely damaged by his abuse. That thought should be foremost in the entire family’s minds, and I am sorely disappointed and honestly shocked that it apparently is not.
I think that OPs sister should NEVER take a bully on holiday! Why does he deserve it? Why can't his sister understand? It's his daughter that needs a break not this bully! I wouldn't let my child hang out with a bully in the first place, never mind take him on holiday! But the fact that he's bullying her niece and she's trying to make a case for his home life being disruptive-oh no no no, actions have consequences and he's learning that "I'm getting away with bullying this girl/niece and they STILL want me to come on holiday"? "Wait until I get back and bully her even more because her family totally turned their backs on her because they'd rather me go"? Wtaf no f******g way!!!
Load More Replies...Jeff is not family and what he needs is not your responsibility. The fact that your family would put the needs of a POS like Jeff above your daughter makes me question how good you try and make them out to be.
So, the daughter is less important to the extended family than their little token philanthropy project with Jeff. That's all well and Hallmark of them, but I don't see why that has to come at the expense of a family member? Why is Jeff more important than their own grandaughter/cousin? Isn't this a FAMILY trip? Jeff ain't family.
But auntie can now brag how she helped a child in need. The sacrifice of her niece is nothing compared to the grand gesture of "rescuing" a poor boy... For those in doubt: this is absolutely a cynic commentary. I know people who would make/have made similar choices and their high is short lived...
Load More Replies...Some (most) authors of AITHA threads know if they are or aren't and are just looking for people to engage with them. Here, there is no way this guy thinks for a second he is an AH. Maybe he is looking for feedback on what to say to his stupid sister and others who have chosen to support a bully over their relative.
You YTA f*****s are as bad as the bully, you absolute trolls! Stop looking for stories that you want to pick apart because you think the dad hasn't done enough. WHAT TF ARE YOU READING? He's said that he hasn't put everything on here and he's done all sorts! Bullies the lot of you!!!! What an awesome dad you are! Ignore trolls, they stick together, like this bully and your nephew AND to then have a sister feeling sorry for him? I know that people like this bully can become a target because of his home life, but he's got there first to make sure that doesn't happen, by picking on someone who is quiet and wouldn't hurt a damn sole! He's older and knows exactly what he's doing. I'd never want to speak to my family that let this bully go on holiday. If he actually goes and you two don't, that would be the last straw for me. You're fabulous and don't listen to trolls! Hope your daughter get's so strong from this and I'm over the moon she hit him! The school was wrong NOT HER!!! AHs!!!
It isn't the bottom line! It's way worse for the victim if this bully goes on this holiday. Even though we know they won't go, the message is loud and clear. He (bully) won't believe his luck that he was allowed to go knowing what he's done! He going to think he's invincible and will make her life even more miserable! Way to make power go to someone's head! If he had consequences to his behaviour, he'd be thinking about that, but when bad behaviour comes with an holiday and he's picked to go instead of her, what message is that sending??? He's going to be an adult soon and he's going to be abusive! Simply because it's ok to bully a girl younger than him. He's a boy that's going to carry on this behaviour with anyone who is in a relationship with! That's a frightening thought! This has a s**t more consequences if this happens! To any female that crosses his path. Scary stuff!!
Load More Replies...Little stinker 69 can f**k right off. Imagine excusing physical and mental harm because they don't have parents? Dad is awesome, the family can suck it. I hope they have a fabulous holiday of their own and that the bully breaks a bone on holiday.
The two foster homes I grew up in exposed me to bullies at school; the last one, the whole foster family consisted of bullies. I was bullied from 1st through 9th grade. Yet here I am--without criminal charges. Jeff is well on his way to being a convict with his behavior. He has no business going on a trip with non-family, especially with his victim. OP is making the right move in not going; he's not being petulant, he's being a father. His sister has already chosen a delinquent over her own niece; let her and the rest of the family enjoy the fallout. Who's to say that Jeff wouldn't corner his victim and do something even worse to her?
Normalize no. People need to get a grip and realize their actions have consequences.
Update: the whole family got together to discuss it and Jeff is no longer invited. Most people had t known he was invited in the first place and were against it. Sisters husband didn’t even know and was also against it. Daughter wants to go as long as Jeff isn’t going so they will be on the trip
Did anyone else see the same unclosable ad that covered entire paragraphs seven times? Just me? 🫠
Nope not just you. They really want people to go premium 🙄
Load More Replies...Hopefully Jeff didn't accept the invitation because he thought he'd get the chance to bully OP's daughter on vacation too and when she doesn't show up he zeroes in on another target for some fun.
I have some sympathy towards Jeff who seems to be placing all his anger from his terrible life on the daughter who he obviously envies very much. He’s one of those people who is probably quite nice except towards his target. Has your sister or anyone in your family ever had a direct conversation with him stating that he cannot behave like this and maintainhis relationship with the family with consequences? Regardless, you and your daughter cannot attend the vacation with him. A better solution would be to exclude him but let him know why, leaving the door open for him to attend in the future if he behaves better and makes amends.
I don't. They vast majority of us who grew up in really bad situations don't take it out on others. If you're being an a*****e because of your home life, you're just an a*****e.
Load More Replies...Bullies like this only understand power. The girl is going to have to get physical and brutal at some point, and do what needs to be done. Only then will the bully get the message. Retired teacher here, and someone who got bullied as a fat girl growing up. I used my words; didn't work. Every single time, when I stepped up to someone, laid the hammer down, and did what needed to be done physically, only a couple of times in my life, did they lay off. But having to get to that point, UGH! I'd much rather just destroy someone with my mouth than use hands, but bullies choose their own karma.
I would take this evil boy on the trip, and make his stay a living hell.
Go, wait for Jeff to step out of line and beat the living s**t out of him. If violence is his "love language" aka "he just has a crush on her", then speak the language he understands. Then force him to kiss your daughter's shoes, lick them, and beg for forgiveness. Don't forget to film that and send it to his male friends. Then see if he wants to stay (in which case you go on to a different holiday with your lovely daughter) or if he pisses off (enjoy the holiday with your family). Yeah, I'm not nice anymore.
I was thinking that same thing. Tell the SOB before the trip begins, if you make googly eyes at my daughter yours will need to be a closed casket funeral.
Load More Replies...No way in God's green earth are you the ah. I cannot ever imagine being cooped up with a kid who has assaulted me in a mfing FAMILY trip!! Can you imagine the worst thing he could do to your daughter??? Dear God!! And SHAME on your sister for even suggesting this. Let her take the bully somewhere in her own!! How on earth is this even an issue?? Stand by your daughter, no matter what!!! You have got this exactly right!! No second guesses no family guilt and they can pi$$ off.
Your family is choosing a bully over your daughter. Shame on them for not acknowledging and respecting how your daughter feels. You are making the right decision! Don't even feel bad about it and tell the family members to stop texting/calling you about it....
NTA. By the things you've been trying with the school, the police, & an attorney, you're showing Emily that Dad will always have her back & teaching her she deserves respect. It looks like more of your family members support you than don't, but are there any rules to this "family vacation"? Can anybody just unilaterally decide to bring someone else along? Why does your sister have so much power & say-so? & Why does she not care more abt Emily? Or her own son, for that matter - is Jeff really the kind of friend she wants for her son? Yes, he has a bad home life but a) that doesn't excuse the bullying & b) if Sister really wants to help him, this vacation isn't going to "fix" him, 'tho he'd surely enjoy it. If she's serious about wanting to help him, she can take him on as her personal project, maybe go so far as to pay for counseling or even tr6yto get guardianship. Otherwise she's, at best, sticking a band-aid on his problems - not actually doing anything to improve his situation - &, worse, reinforcing the idea (which so far is true) that there are no consequences for his actions. Furthermore, he triumphs by causing Emily to miss the trip. One concern is that if Sister comes to her senses & doesn't insist on taking him, or if somehow the family group puts a stop to his coming, Jeff is going to blame Emily & who knows how he'd react & retaliate? If you're in the US, don't stop with the school. Go to the school district offices & to the school board. I doubt either would like to be sued for negligence, for not taking steps to ensure a student's - all students' - safety, for turning a blind eye to your reports of sexual harassment & of criminal assault. Emily's lucky to have you & I hope you two come up with a fabulous trip of your own - maybe take some of Emily's friends with you.
This father's family is enabling this bully just by inviting him. They are bullying the father by trying to get him to come on the vacation. His family is clueless! Kids commit suicide from bullying. The bully needs help or this is just going to get worse and he's going to end up really hurting someone. God forbid he gets married. The family needs help with therapy in understanding bullying and what it does to someone. Until the family understand this, I think the father and daughter should stay the heck away from the family because God only knows what else they think is alright.
I can't imagine a world where my niece or nephew get bullied and I INVITE the bully on a family vacation where they have to be around each other. I can't imagine a world where I'd sustain a bully to be anywhere NEAR my niece or nephew!!!
Eff that cousin for being friends with a dude who continues to abûse his cousin 🤬 Bet myself an iced latte cousin dearest is in on the bullying campaign. Can't wait to read about those two committing a crime and the cousin is left holding the evidence. Are mummy and daddy going to defend poor Jeffie after he screws over their kid since niece isn't a priority or really a person to them? The will of the group outweighing the glaring needs of one individual: fascism begins at home.
The dad is an a*****e. But only because he has allowed physical harm from the bully. I would have already go to the police to denounce the kid for sexual assault ( ripping her clothes surely counts)
Go on the trip. Find some alone time with Jeff in the woods. Put the fear of Jeebus into him.
Send your daughter to an amazing vacation with a friend. Then you go to this family vacation and absolutely torment the s**t out of Jeff. Throw his new wintercoat in a full toilet. See how your family feels then and then you can say: this is what he does to YOUR NIECE.
Wait. SHE also had to write and read an apology letter? To a boy who assaulted and battered her? That's fxcked up.
Get a restraining order against Jeff, that way he won’t legally be allowed to go. If you and your daughter attend and Jeff shows up, have him arrested immediately.
Attitudes like OP's sister produces lifetime offenders who expect "I had a rough childhood" to be a defense for a felony charge. Better for him to learn now that he is responsible for his behavior rather than learn it from his probation officer.
Since the bully’s usual target won’t be there on vacation, Jeff will find another 🎯 target or simply drastically misbehave…or be scaringly sly Doubt he would ever be invited anywhere near them again including demanding nephew to defriend
He’s not her bully, he’s her abuser and full blown trauma trigger at this point. If a predator or meth addict in active addition was around your child, and especially if they had harmed them already, would you even be asking or hesitant? If you made her go you would actually be enabling the abuse by giving him access to your child, fully aware of the damage it would cause them. Why would your family pity a near stranger more than their OWN niece?? Your actions now will solidify forever the value she believes you have for her. Don’t ever even let her know you considered going.
If this young man expences natural consequences for onaappropriate behavior, he has the opportunity to fix it. If the fmly failed to tell him thathr had to fix this before he could gooon family trips again, they failed him. I suspect he also needs a Michelle Garcia winners social thinking and when daughter is willing restorative justice
NTA! If your sister is making excuses for this little s**t, then your sister is enabling. Personally I would have pulled this kid off to the side and told him "If I catch wind of you GOING ANYWHERE NEAR MY DAUGHTER, I WILL RIP YOUR HEART OUT AND FEED IT TO YOU". Then dare him to try me. This type of behavior is what school shootings and suicides and such are the beginnings of.
Sometimes bullies are victims of chaos at home and so bullying someone else is their attempt at control. Criminal in the making.
While bullying has always been an issue it was never as bad before scholls administrators were allowed to get too lazy to determain who started a fight and only punish the guilty party and not the victim defending themself.
If the family is well off as they claim why doesn't OP take Jeff on a different vacation???
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