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Woman Refuses To Babysit Nephews Until Their Mom Addresses The Serious Problem They Have
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Woman Refuses To Babysit Nephews Until Their Mom Addresses The Serious Problem They Have

Woman Refuses To Babysit Nephews Until Their Mom Addresses The Serious Problem They HaveWoman Refuses To Babysit For Sister Until She Takes Problem With Her Children Seriously Woman Won’t Babysit Sister’s Kids To Teach Her A Lesson, Sibling Drama EnsuesWoman Rejects Sister’s Babysitting Request, Gets Called Out For Being JudgmentalWoman Is Sick And Tired Of Sister Ignoring Her Sons’ Issues, Refuses To BabysitKid Absolutely Hates His Brother, Parents Don't Do Anything About ItWoman Refuses To Babysit Sister’s Kids Because Her Older Son Despises The Younger OneWoman Ignores Her Older Child Bullying His Little Brother, Gets Upset When Sister Calls It Out
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Experts consider a child’s formative years a critical development period. Parents are expected to be hands-on in providing guidance and support during this stage, especially since this is the age when sibling rivalry is most heated. 

Some people, however, aren’t fit to handle such obligations, so they pass them on to others. One woman experienced this from her sister, who wanted her to babysit her two children, who were at odds with each other. 

The author refused, causing drama. However, she later realized she may have been too harsh, so she asked the AITAH subreddit for answers. Scroll down to read the full story.

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    Sibling rivalry is at its most heated during a child’s formative years

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    A woman has two nephews where the older child has developed a strong dislike toward his younger brother

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    Her sister asked her to babysit the two boys, which she refused to do

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    Several factors cause sibling rivalry among young children

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    The sibling rivalry between the two boys in the story is nothing new, and experts deem it normal. According to an article by C.S. Mott’s Children’s Hospital of the University of Michigan, one possible factor is that children compete to define their individuality. 

    During the developmental phase, they go on a path to discover their talents and interests. In doing so, they become keen on separating themselves from their siblings, which may cause a rift to develop. 

    Jealousy is another common reason. Many children feel threatened by the arrival of their new brother or sister, causing an immediate dislike toward the younger sibling upon their birth.

    The parents’ treatment of their children also plays a huge role. As the article points out, their reaction to the conflict greatly affects the sibling dynamic. 

    According to the author, her sister seemingly avoided dealing with the ongoing issue between the two children. She then took action by rejecting the babysitting request, which only caused more problems. 

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    Parents must encourage healthy sibling relationships among their children

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    According to early childhood education expert Dr. Susan Landry, a young child’s social-emotional development heavily depends on interactions with their parents. Therefore, parents need to ensure that their children develop healthy sibling relationships with one another. 

    According to an article by The Center For Parenting Education, it begins with fair treatment. Avoid showing favoritism and make each child feel valued. 

    Parents must also clearly define fairness. As the article states, “Fair does not mean equal; it means giving each person what they need.” 

    Sibling rivalries often happen because parents take sides during an argument, which isn’t advisable. The article states, “Don’t referee a fight if you don’t know what happened.” 

    Instead, parents must focus on getting to the bottom of the misdeed and invoke any established family rules. 

    “Remember, you don’t have to worry about ‘who started it’; you did, by having more than one child!”

    Ultimately, the mom in the story should have a more participatory role, especially when turmoil between her sons is at an all-time high. She may also need to pay close attention to the older child and have him undergo professional help if necessary. 

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    Letting her sister babysit does make her seem to be passing the obligation onto another person, which isn’t a good look.

    Most people believe the author didn’t do anything wrong

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    Nina
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As comedian Steve Hofstetter said: 'I have never flown a helicopter, but if I saw one in a tree, I'd still know 'dude messed up' '. So OP might not have children and still be young, she can see it's messed up what's going with her nephews.

    BrownEyedPanda
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Harley is a ticking time bomb, which can go off when anyone least expects it. If OP'S sister insists on downplaying the situation, eventually she'll end up with one boy in a mental hospital, and one six feet under.

    StumblingThroughLife
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Big, Giant NTA. That 'dislike' of a younger sibling is a whole new level. I'd fear for the younger kid's health & safety, tbh, and the OP should stay well away from baby sitting her sister's kids.

    Skogsrået
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ugh, they should handle this ASAP before something really bad happens. I should know, my older sister always hated me for being born and our parents never seeked professional help. She tried to kill me several times and almost succseded. What did my parents do? They beat the living s**t out of her wich traumatised her and made it worse but then again they abused us all.

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not a single YTA in sight for once. That family is going to self implode and my gut feeling is Harley is going to do something really harmful if his behaviour keeps being ignored. It will only escalate.

    BrownEyedPanda
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A family I knew had a kid just like this one. If ever the description "unholy terror" applied, it was with him. He was nearly out of control. The only time I saw him act like he was part of the human race, I had to look twice to see if it was the same kid. It turns out that his father, who was in the army, was home that weekend. When the kid grew up, he ended up in a mental hospital. Sometime later, he faced a murder charge for killing his roommate.

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    TribbleThinking
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I should stay out of someone else's parenting". Well DOH, that's what you said. So, it's agreed by BOTH of you, you're NOT babysitting. 🤣🤣🤣. P. S. Your sister's a moron.

    Jean Grey
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Big red flags there. Harley sounds like he's dangerously close to a 'narcissistic sociopath' or even a 'callous unemotional (CU)' diagnosis. What he's showing isn't just simple sibling rivalry -- it is a fundamental dislike of having their unique power and position of entitlement usurped by another. Harley's jealousy is extreme and unwarranted, and he sounds as if you can never trust him with Everest. I would get that child checked out by a special therapist dealing with this sort of pathology, because if Harley is what I suspect he is, that is called 'psychopathy' and it is non-rehabilitative, recidivist, and escalating behavior. The OP is right not to get involved in that scenario until Mom and Dad take it more seriously and get Harley help. He's volatile and if he's CU, he could seriously hurt her as well.

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this is how much sister freaks out when you don't babysit, I can't imagine how much drama she's stir up if you do. You won't be able to report bad behaviour, raise concerns etc. Since she's willing to pay someone, she will be able to find someone with references to watch them. Stay out of that minefield, it will only ruin your relationship with your sister and make you dislike your nephews.

    María Hermida
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP has no right to judge. True. Kind of... But she doesn't have any obligation either to put up with a problem the kids parents don't seem to be willing to solve, or even address. Absolutely NTA.

    tori Ohno
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see a possible "accident" in the future, erasing the younger child from existence. This is something more than sibling rivalry. Somebody is going to get hurt or worse.

    BrownEyedPanda
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    4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is definitely not sibling rivalry. It's sibling abuse that needs to be stopped, not just addressed. If the older child ends up successfully ending the younger child, no doubt Mommy Dearest will turn on the waterworks, wring her hands, and loudly declare that she had no idea her son was capable of such a heinous act. OP'S observations, and others, will paint an entirely different story for CPS, as well as a jury. You don't need a crystal ball to see that murder in their future.

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    Jorie
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is just not a case of a jealous older sibling. This kid needs help, and lots of it, like yesterday! He almost sounds psychopathic. A good child psychiatrist with lots of psychological testing are in order here.This is a tragedy waiting to happen.

    Schmebulock
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agree with her and say I'm still not babysitting your sh!t kids.

    Stacy Bender
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The first thing I noticed in this post was the age gap. Unfortunately, animosity between siblings with a large age gap is common. Some grow out of it, others do not. That's just the reality. Therapy might help, but that will depend on how deep the jealousy goes. And yes, it's jealousy plain and simple. I'm the youngest with a large age gap, and it's taken years for me to realize that my sisters would have drowned me at birth given the chance with no repercussions. While they say they love me and that I'm the problem, their actions are a foghorn on blast.

    Upstaged75
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My niece and nephew are about 5 years apart and they've never hated each other. The older one was thrilled to have a sibling and was great with the baby. Sometimes he accidentally gets rough with her, but that's because he's a 9 year old boy. He'd never really hurt her on purpose. They fight of course, but all siblings do. This situation sounds dangerous and the older kid needs some serious help before something bad happens.

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    Tracey Stammers
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, unless this is not urgently and sensitively addressed. Close family (not inc. sister initially) needs to meet ASAP to highlight concerns and why/how they can be addressed. 5 yrs of denial of the hatred fueled verbal/physical attacks have led to a seriously dangerous situation. Puberty will hit v soon & left unchecked could lead to devasting injury or even death. Parents of those whose children have committed atrocities often say that they did not see it coming. If this situation was declared to me as a nurse, I would have to report this to the safeguarding team to investigate. Mum & children are in a precarious position. Psychopaths are often seen as decent people until they snap. As a family this needs to be sorted out NOW.

    Smiles x
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Harley sounds like a psychopath in the literal clinical definition... This is very scary behaviour and what will they do when he hits puberty? That yelling and 'passive' attempts to get rid of his brother will turn a whole lot worse.

    Mike Loux
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How long before Harley becomes Cain to Everest's Abel? NTA

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wish someone had stepped in and forced my parents to acknowledge my older sister's abusive behaviour toward me. It started very early.

    Johanna M
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The boy is 10 already. He's heading into puberty soon. With puberty comes testosterone, with testosterone come inceased aggression, and with aggression comes violence. At what point will the parents wake up and realize somwthing is f***ed up? When the big brother goes biblical wrath on the little brother?

    Susy Hammond
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My brother and I were adopted as infants and are 21 months apart in age; we are not related to each other. He was always abusive, sometimes physically, moreso with constant bullying. I have no contact with him -- I am now 72. To call this behavior, with OP's story, "just sibling rivalry" minimizes the dangerous nature of the older boy.

    DC
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sadly, neither spreading legs nor inserting flesh between them results in any qualification as a parent, it only results in more flesh. NTA. "You're not a Mom, you don't get it!" - ? - ... am Arsch!

    Gwyn
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The OP says the sister has been getting Harley some help but then later claims the sister is ignoring the problem. I dunno, as a parent I know it's sometimes harder to help a child with a problem than it would seem. I'd like to hear the other side, there might be missing info here. But if the sister just doesn't want to babysit for any reason she's within her rights to say no, sister can always hire someone else

    Nikki Angulo
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Older sister- “Stay out of my parenting” OP- “That’s what I’m doing by refusing to babysit for you” lol

    Voice of reason?
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly, this sounds like sociopathic behavior except OP said Harley plays fine with other kids. With this kind of deep-seated hatred (this goes far beyond simple 'dislike' imo), I would not trust him to not cause purposeful harm. It's possible he already has and it's been excused as accidental. If so, it will escalate as he gets older and bolder. I hope OP keeps a close eye on things, at some point, CPS may need to be contacted. For now, both boys should be in therapy. My heart breaks for the rejection the 5 yr old is consistently getting and how that will affect him long term.

    Still Going
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This falls outside of the usual (and somewhat expected) sibling rivalry in the very early days of a new baby's appearance in the family. The child who was the baby is now the older sibling, and it takes time to adjust. But there's enough of an age difference between the two, and it's gone on long enough, to see that more help is needed - and SOON! OP is 100% NTA, and I hope she isn't bullied into changing her mind. Not unless, and until, there's an obvious improvement in Haley's attitude and behavior toward Everest.

    Joyce Brown
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh my! My mum was extremely anxious and nervous, and she could not handle parenting responsibilities on her own while my dad was at work. She told me after I became an adult that the one thong she couldn't stand was me and my brother fighting when she was pregnant with my sister. She said she would sit against her and dad's bedroom door with me and my brother barricaded on the other side. Once I thought about what she said, some things occurred to me. 1. When she was pregnant, I was one and my brother was five. Who would call a five year old beating down on a one year old a fight? 2. The basement stairs were right outside my parents' first floor bedroom. 3. I finally realized why I always thought everyone was bigger than me. I will be 64 tomorrow. I have worked hard towards recovering from this and other childhood traumas, but they will always be there, even if they're much smaller now.

    Lihi Porat
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    With it going on for 5 years already (maybe even 6, as this is from last year), it's no longer a "phase" but a serious mental problem of the kid, and the only reason to agree to babysit would be taking him to actual therapy behind her sister's back those days.

    Melissa anderson
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think Harley is going to try to murder his brother someday if the parents keep turning a blind eye to towards his behavior.

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact she jumped to thinking she was being judged says so much. And in the same vein. If no one has the right to judge her, she has no right to demand anyone babysit her psycho kids

    Jo Firth
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can we please address the elephant ... calling a child 'Everest'? This on it's own is a huge red flag.

    cecilia kilian
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are probably fake names, but it could be a variation of the Greek "Eurarestos" which means " the nice one". The French version, "Evariste" is very rare nowadays, but it is not considered strange .

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    Sandia
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't get me wrong, I couldn't agree more with OP on absolutely everything. This is definitely not normal sibling behavior. Having said that, I'm not sure the answer is to stop babysitting. I think she should be there for Harley as much as she can. Not sure this is right, but personally I'd be very open with the nephew that I disagree with his parents' approach. Whether I'm right or wrong with that last statement, her nephew is obviously in crisis, and he's not getting the support he needs from his parents. So sad.

    سارا ناز
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yes I understand why she's uncomfortable. While I'm not in this situation, saying no to helping her sister & not watching her nephews also doesn't feel like the solution either. Maybe they could spend time 1x1 with each kid somehow to help the situation overall? Just seems like isolation of these two parents & the kids could further harm...isn't a family supposed to come together to all help & set an example for the younger generation?

    Steve Hall
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nothing is going to change the way the older child feels about the younger child.

    Nina
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As comedian Steve Hofstetter said: 'I have never flown a helicopter, but if I saw one in a tree, I'd still know 'dude messed up' '. So OP might not have children and still be young, she can see it's messed up what's going with her nephews.

    BrownEyedPanda
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Harley is a ticking time bomb, which can go off when anyone least expects it. If OP'S sister insists on downplaying the situation, eventually she'll end up with one boy in a mental hospital, and one six feet under.

    StumblingThroughLife
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Big, Giant NTA. That 'dislike' of a younger sibling is a whole new level. I'd fear for the younger kid's health & safety, tbh, and the OP should stay well away from baby sitting her sister's kids.

    Skogsrået
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ugh, they should handle this ASAP before something really bad happens. I should know, my older sister always hated me for being born and our parents never seeked professional help. She tried to kill me several times and almost succseded. What did my parents do? They beat the living s**t out of her wich traumatised her and made it worse but then again they abused us all.

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not a single YTA in sight for once. That family is going to self implode and my gut feeling is Harley is going to do something really harmful if his behaviour keeps being ignored. It will only escalate.

    BrownEyedPanda
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A family I knew had a kid just like this one. If ever the description "unholy terror" applied, it was with him. He was nearly out of control. The only time I saw him act like he was part of the human race, I had to look twice to see if it was the same kid. It turns out that his father, who was in the army, was home that weekend. When the kid grew up, he ended up in a mental hospital. Sometime later, he faced a murder charge for killing his roommate.

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    TribbleThinking
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I should stay out of someone else's parenting". Well DOH, that's what you said. So, it's agreed by BOTH of you, you're NOT babysitting. 🤣🤣🤣. P. S. Your sister's a moron.

    Jean Grey
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Big red flags there. Harley sounds like he's dangerously close to a 'narcissistic sociopath' or even a 'callous unemotional (CU)' diagnosis. What he's showing isn't just simple sibling rivalry -- it is a fundamental dislike of having their unique power and position of entitlement usurped by another. Harley's jealousy is extreme and unwarranted, and he sounds as if you can never trust him with Everest. I would get that child checked out by a special therapist dealing with this sort of pathology, because if Harley is what I suspect he is, that is called 'psychopathy' and it is non-rehabilitative, recidivist, and escalating behavior. The OP is right not to get involved in that scenario until Mom and Dad take it more seriously and get Harley help. He's volatile and if he's CU, he could seriously hurt her as well.

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this is how much sister freaks out when you don't babysit, I can't imagine how much drama she's stir up if you do. You won't be able to report bad behaviour, raise concerns etc. Since she's willing to pay someone, she will be able to find someone with references to watch them. Stay out of that minefield, it will only ruin your relationship with your sister and make you dislike your nephews.

    María Hermida
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP has no right to judge. True. Kind of... But she doesn't have any obligation either to put up with a problem the kids parents don't seem to be willing to solve, or even address. Absolutely NTA.

    tori Ohno
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see a possible "accident" in the future, erasing the younger child from existence. This is something more than sibling rivalry. Somebody is going to get hurt or worse.

    BrownEyedPanda
    Community Member
    4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is definitely not sibling rivalry. It's sibling abuse that needs to be stopped, not just addressed. If the older child ends up successfully ending the younger child, no doubt Mommy Dearest will turn on the waterworks, wring her hands, and loudly declare that she had no idea her son was capable of such a heinous act. OP'S observations, and others, will paint an entirely different story for CPS, as well as a jury. You don't need a crystal ball to see that murder in their future.

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    Jorie
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is just not a case of a jealous older sibling. This kid needs help, and lots of it, like yesterday! He almost sounds psychopathic. A good child psychiatrist with lots of psychological testing are in order here.This is a tragedy waiting to happen.

    Schmebulock
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agree with her and say I'm still not babysitting your sh!t kids.

    Stacy Bender
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The first thing I noticed in this post was the age gap. Unfortunately, animosity between siblings with a large age gap is common. Some grow out of it, others do not. That's just the reality. Therapy might help, but that will depend on how deep the jealousy goes. And yes, it's jealousy plain and simple. I'm the youngest with a large age gap, and it's taken years for me to realize that my sisters would have drowned me at birth given the chance with no repercussions. While they say they love me and that I'm the problem, their actions are a foghorn on blast.

    Upstaged75
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My niece and nephew are about 5 years apart and they've never hated each other. The older one was thrilled to have a sibling and was great with the baby. Sometimes he accidentally gets rough with her, but that's because he's a 9 year old boy. He'd never really hurt her on purpose. They fight of course, but all siblings do. This situation sounds dangerous and the older kid needs some serious help before something bad happens.

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    Tracey Stammers
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, unless this is not urgently and sensitively addressed. Close family (not inc. sister initially) needs to meet ASAP to highlight concerns and why/how they can be addressed. 5 yrs of denial of the hatred fueled verbal/physical attacks have led to a seriously dangerous situation. Puberty will hit v soon & left unchecked could lead to devasting injury or even death. Parents of those whose children have committed atrocities often say that they did not see it coming. If this situation was declared to me as a nurse, I would have to report this to the safeguarding team to investigate. Mum & children are in a precarious position. Psychopaths are often seen as decent people until they snap. As a family this needs to be sorted out NOW.

    Smiles x
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Harley sounds like a psychopath in the literal clinical definition... This is very scary behaviour and what will they do when he hits puberty? That yelling and 'passive' attempts to get rid of his brother will turn a whole lot worse.

    Mike Loux
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How long before Harley becomes Cain to Everest's Abel? NTA

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wish someone had stepped in and forced my parents to acknowledge my older sister's abusive behaviour toward me. It started very early.

    Johanna M
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The boy is 10 already. He's heading into puberty soon. With puberty comes testosterone, with testosterone come inceased aggression, and with aggression comes violence. At what point will the parents wake up and realize somwthing is f***ed up? When the big brother goes biblical wrath on the little brother?

    Susy Hammond
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My brother and I were adopted as infants and are 21 months apart in age; we are not related to each other. He was always abusive, sometimes physically, moreso with constant bullying. I have no contact with him -- I am now 72. To call this behavior, with OP's story, "just sibling rivalry" minimizes the dangerous nature of the older boy.

    DC
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sadly, neither spreading legs nor inserting flesh between them results in any qualification as a parent, it only results in more flesh. NTA. "You're not a Mom, you don't get it!" - ? - ... am Arsch!

    Gwyn
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The OP says the sister has been getting Harley some help but then later claims the sister is ignoring the problem. I dunno, as a parent I know it's sometimes harder to help a child with a problem than it would seem. I'd like to hear the other side, there might be missing info here. But if the sister just doesn't want to babysit for any reason she's within her rights to say no, sister can always hire someone else

    Nikki Angulo
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Older sister- “Stay out of my parenting” OP- “That’s what I’m doing by refusing to babysit for you” lol

    Voice of reason?
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly, this sounds like sociopathic behavior except OP said Harley plays fine with other kids. With this kind of deep-seated hatred (this goes far beyond simple 'dislike' imo), I would not trust him to not cause purposeful harm. It's possible he already has and it's been excused as accidental. If so, it will escalate as he gets older and bolder. I hope OP keeps a close eye on things, at some point, CPS may need to be contacted. For now, both boys should be in therapy. My heart breaks for the rejection the 5 yr old is consistently getting and how that will affect him long term.

    Still Going
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This falls outside of the usual (and somewhat expected) sibling rivalry in the very early days of a new baby's appearance in the family. The child who was the baby is now the older sibling, and it takes time to adjust. But there's enough of an age difference between the two, and it's gone on long enough, to see that more help is needed - and SOON! OP is 100% NTA, and I hope she isn't bullied into changing her mind. Not unless, and until, there's an obvious improvement in Haley's attitude and behavior toward Everest.

    Joyce Brown
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh my! My mum was extremely anxious and nervous, and she could not handle parenting responsibilities on her own while my dad was at work. She told me after I became an adult that the one thong she couldn't stand was me and my brother fighting when she was pregnant with my sister. She said she would sit against her and dad's bedroom door with me and my brother barricaded on the other side. Once I thought about what she said, some things occurred to me. 1. When she was pregnant, I was one and my brother was five. Who would call a five year old beating down on a one year old a fight? 2. The basement stairs were right outside my parents' first floor bedroom. 3. I finally realized why I always thought everyone was bigger than me. I will be 64 tomorrow. I have worked hard towards recovering from this and other childhood traumas, but they will always be there, even if they're much smaller now.

    Lihi Porat
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    With it going on for 5 years already (maybe even 6, as this is from last year), it's no longer a "phase" but a serious mental problem of the kid, and the only reason to agree to babysit would be taking him to actual therapy behind her sister's back those days.

    Melissa anderson
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think Harley is going to try to murder his brother someday if the parents keep turning a blind eye to towards his behavior.

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact she jumped to thinking she was being judged says so much. And in the same vein. If no one has the right to judge her, she has no right to demand anyone babysit her psycho kids

    Jo Firth
    Community Member
    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can we please address the elephant ... calling a child 'Everest'? This on it's own is a huge red flag.

    cecilia kilian
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are probably fake names, but it could be a variation of the Greek "Eurarestos" which means " the nice one". The French version, "Evariste" is very rare nowadays, but it is not considered strange .

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    Sandia
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't get me wrong, I couldn't agree more with OP on absolutely everything. This is definitely not normal sibling behavior. Having said that, I'm not sure the answer is to stop babysitting. I think she should be there for Harley as much as she can. Not sure this is right, but personally I'd be very open with the nephew that I disagree with his parents' approach. Whether I'm right or wrong with that last statement, her nephew is obviously in crisis, and he's not getting the support he needs from his parents. So sad.

    سارا ناز
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yes I understand why she's uncomfortable. While I'm not in this situation, saying no to helping her sister & not watching her nephews also doesn't feel like the solution either. Maybe they could spend time 1x1 with each kid somehow to help the situation overall? Just seems like isolation of these two parents & the kids could further harm...isn't a family supposed to come together to all help & set an example for the younger generation?

    Steve Hall
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    4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nothing is going to change the way the older child feels about the younger child.

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