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Parents Accuse Daughter Of Abandoning Sister’s Baby After She Refuses To Adopt Her
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Parents Accuse Daughter Of Abandoning Sister’s Baby After She Refuses To Adopt Her

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Most of us would do just about anything to help our family. But is there a limit to how far we should be expected to go?

That’s the dilemma one woman on Reddit found herself in. Fresh out of college and starting her career, she had her life on track. But everything changed when her drug-addicted sister gave birth and her family demanded she adopt the baby. Now, she’s struggling with the difficult decision of whether to take on the responsibility. Read on for the full story.

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    The young woman had just finished college and was excited to start her new job and adult life

    But her plans were turned upside down when her family demanded she adopt her drug-addicted sister’s newborn baby

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    Addiction has a serious impact on families

    Family can be one of our greatest sources of security and support, so it’s incredibly difficult to see a loved one struggle with addiction, as the woman in the Reddit story did, and feel powerless to help.

    It’s especially disheartening when you realize just how many people are affected by drug addiction. In the U.S., over 21% of people aged 12 and older have used illegal or misused prescription drugs in the past year. More than half of people in this age group (around 138.5 million) have used drugs at some point in their lives, and about a quarter of those who have used illegal substances develop a drug disorder.

    According to Alberta Health Services, when one family member struggles with substance abuse, the entire family often develops ways to cope. Often, there is less communication, as the family tends to avoid talking about the issue or hide their feelings. Many families try to keep the addiction a secret from others. Some members might even take on extra responsibilities that the person with the addiction has neglected or offer financial support.

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    Substance abuse can also cause tension and frequent arguments between family members. They might feel a mix of emotions like loneliness, frustration, fear, or guilt as they try to deal with their loved one’s addiction. Over time, they may even start to believe that the situation is hopeless.

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    One of the most concerning effects of addiction is that it can be passed down to other family members, particularly children. According to Current Drug Abuse Reviews, children who grow up in homes where one or more adults abuse alcohol or drugs are about twice as likely to develop addiction issues themselves. They are also three times more likely to suffer physical, sexual, and emotional abuse.

    The good news is that recovery is possible. A 2020 study by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) found that 3 out of 4 people who struggle with addiction are able to overcome it.

    What’s most important in helping people recover from addiction is offering support without judgment. Research shows that many people with substance abuse issues hesitate to seek help because they fear disappointing others, losing the secrecy of their addiction, or being seen as a failure.

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    By creating a caring and understanding environment, we can make sure those dealing with addiction feel safe reaching out for the resources they need to get better.

    In the replies, the woman explained that she’s from a Native American family, so the baby should ideally stay within the community

    Most commenters supported the woman, agreeing that she shouldn’t be forced to raise her niece

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    But some users blamed her for not immediately putting the baby up for adoption

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    Allison Slagle (Randomosity)
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To all the YTA: It's okay to admit you're selfish and don't want your life to revolve around a kid. Honestly, it's better to refuse taking in a baby if both you and the baby will be miserable. So many people have kids, not realizing how hard and exhausting it is, and end up ignoring, neglecting, or abusing them. Some people weren't made to be parents and I'm proudly one of them.

    Mike F
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A friend had an aunt (now dead) who fostered addicted babies and that is a nightmarish job. I don't know how she kept her sanity. Those kids were in really bad states to a one. The one with their head screwed on straight is the OP. She needs to tell the folks demanding she take that child to pi$$ off or take the baby themselves.

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    Dragons Exist
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never seen a more obvious nta before. No one should be forced to have kids - she was nta from the title alone and the post just made it more clear that she's nta

    Cronecast AtTheRisingMoon
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And apparently the poor OP grew up in a house with someone who has a hoarding disorder who is now pressuring her to take this baby rather than getting help for their own issues so that the grandparents can step in. And there is likely going to be another baby in the same condition unless her sister manages to get clean. It’s so tragic…but also this poor young woman being guilted by people who won’t deal with their own issues.

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    Rosie Red
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm thinking the YTA people should apply for adoption.

    Tabitha
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    God no. I wouldn’t want any innocent kid to end up with a******s like that.

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    Marno C.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have some experience with adoption and indigenous populations and OP is so much NTA. She might be the most stable one in the family, but that is not saying much. Yes, sister is in such active addiction that she used while pregnant, but look also at the grandparents -- at odds with their own community, badgering and pressuring their daughter, and living in unsafe hoarding condition. They are no position to demand anything. So, OP doesn't have the age/experience, the income, AND lacks helpful family support AND is estranged from community cultural supports thanks to her parents. If OP wanted to help in the name of ICWA, maybe she could be the member of her family to rebuild some connection to her cultural community so that someone there could start fostering the baby. (But the onus is still mostly on the social worker and community outreach workers, naturally.)

    Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think this was very well said. The idea of a child staying with their family and culture is the best case scenario, but thats not the case here at all. The OP is not just alone, shes alone and being dragged down. This is not the best case scenario for the baby or the OP.

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    Lantana Howell
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To the YTA people, it's isn't this young woman's responsibility. Feel free to put your money where your mouth is and adopt this baby yourself.

    Remi (He/Him)
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The normal age minimum to adopt a child is 25 years for a reason. The op shouldn't give in to the pressure. she's too young and her and the child would struggle financially for the foreseeable future.

    Zoe's Mom
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The original poster will probably never see this but here's my 2 cents: I was in my early 40's when I call CPS (Child Protection Services) on my younger sister for the same reason. I fostered my 2 nephews, and it was one of the hardest things I have ever done. I had financial help from the government but the time and energy it took to teach a young boy to do homework and how to have proper hygiene was a nightmare. I was with him until 9 at night because his mother didn't bother with their schoolwork. She did get off d***s and eventually they went back to her. DO NOT, I state, DO NOT take this child in. Let it go through the system and find a loving family to take it. You are just starting your life and eventually you'll resent both your family and the child and it's not fair to the child. Best of luck.

    Panda McPandaface
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Herartbreaking but NO. Again NO. If it is wrong for you, it is wrong for the child.

    FreeTheUnicorn
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't adopt her. For so many reasons but clearly because your family is not stable and is not realistic about putting the baby's best interests ahead of their fantasies about happy families. They'd also likely pressure you to give her to your sister when she's out of jail, no matter how she is doing.

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Babies in the foster system are the most likely to be adopted through a public adoption (if this is US). That's the best outcome for her. As you've seen private adoptions are often transactional and are less well regulated, so there are a lot of creepy people buying children. There are plenty of reputable and responsible agencies, but you have to rsearch. The state will be working with their own agency or with agencies that have been vetted. The younger the child the quicker they are usually adopted, and the state can make sure she's placed with someone ready for any medical issues from the addiction etc. Stalling this process just makes it more likely that she won't be in a stable home, either from family interference or because you'd have to research and vet agencies yourself. Don't complicate the life of this littlengirl whose life is already off to a difficult start.

    AMaureen Dance
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A stranger, as long as they're qualified for the needs of this child, would be for the best. Especially if it can be closed. Then the adoptive parents won't get hassled by the mother from jail or the grandparents from their hoard.

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    Kylie
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The OP is definitely not the AH. I've seen someone do this same scenario and adopt their sister's baby. Years later after she sacrificed and raised the child the sister gets off d***s and comes round making her life hell demanding she get "HER baby" back. This situation isn't the same as a closed adoption where it's a done deal and the druggie mother can't find out who has 'her baby'.

    Morngaur of Gorgoroth
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To clarify: the young lady is Diné, I think, which is the endonym for Navajo. The Indian Child Welfare Act states, in part, that Native American children must be adopted by Native Americans, whenever possible. So, the folks who have been reaching out to the OP offering money for the baby, even if their intent is honestly to adopt her, are violating Federal Law. Since the ICWA is involved, I'm surprised that CPS hasn't already contacted the Navajo Nation Council. If they haven't, the OP should. The Navajo are justly known for their strong sense of family and tribe, and I'm sure she could find somebody to adopt her niece.

    Kim Kermes
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn't know the name of the Council, but that was my first thought. There may be other relatives in a position to adopt.

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    BrownEyedPanda
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One thing about this situation that no one has considered: what's to stop OP'S sister from popping out another baby in a year or so? Will OP be expected to adopt THAT one, too? Where will it end? OP is actually taking the high road by declining to adopt her niece. She's only 21, just starting life in the real world, with not a lot of money. Taking on an infant (especially one with medical issues, courtesy of a d**g-addicted mother) will drain her savings in no time. The toll on her mental health would be staggering. Of course, she would receive absolutely no help from her fa-a-a-a-mily, but she would still be expected to step up because, after all, they're fa-a-a-a-mily. I never thought I would say this, but in this case, foster care with the possibility of adoption would be best for all concerned.

    Traveling Man
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Registered Nurse here: I worked in a Navajo Hospital and understand. I also have a married relative that adopted the child of an addict and had a horrible time raising that child.That child is now an adult and is not able to keep a job or stay off substance abuse. You do not have a support system and will NOT be able to work AND care for this child at the same time. Do not destroy your future as your sister destroyed hers.

    Gwyn
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't let your sister ruin you life too. If it's not something you want and are feeling good about, don't do it.

    Reta Murphy
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To YTA and family, just stop it. To a few others on here, she is not being selfish, she is thinking highly of the child. She doesn't feel she can give the child a great life especially a child that already has an addiction problem. That takes someone with a lot of training. She is showing a maturity that is lacking in today's world. I am an older woman (ok OLD boomer) and there is no way in hell that I would be able to something like that and I raised 3 kids plus plenty of neighbor kids. lol She isn't saying she doesn't want a child to revolve around, she is saying she is not ready and not equipped at this time for a special needs child. That is okay.

    Jane
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If she agrees to adopt this baby, I'm sure there will be more babies to be adopted in the future. I''m guessing that a heroin addict doesn't always use reliable birth control. This is a life sentence of being crushed by her sister's bad choices. It will never end.

    Kim Kermes
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if there isn't a Dine go-between who could approach the family and community? Maybe, the family would be willing to be in contact with you if told about you by someone less directly involved?

    Squirrelly Panda
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP should reach out to her community and tell them of this special needs baby that will be going to foster care because no one in her family is on a position to take the child, including her, though for different reasons from the rest of the family. The worse they can do is attempt a guilt trip while saying no.

    Juanita Sullivan
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Sounds like the parents are toxic and she needs to walk away. Should she give in now, they will never leave her alone.

    GottaGo
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    40m here. I'm a father of a 4yo. Being a parent was and still is the most difficult thing I've ever had to do. I can't imagine a 21 yo trying to take the whole responsibility of a baby all alone. Plus, the baby is addicted. Too much burden that is. The OP is obviously NTA, but a solution must be found for the poor baby.

    Froyn Laven
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTS. Never take on other people's responsibilities or listen to the opinions of fools

    Michelle Randazzo
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stand your ground. Taking care of an addiction is bad enough. But an infant? Not only will you lose your job, home and sleep, but 24 7 with that child will put you in the crazy house. She needs professional care. And when it's time, a loving adoptive family. Ignore all those moronic haters. And your parents need to stay out of it. Or adopt the baby.

    Steve Hall
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is 21 years old and not responsible for her sister's mistakes. Her family is always going to be begging her for something, she should distance herself as soon as possible.

    Roberta Schrote
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where is the child's father and his family in this story? Also, it's shortsighted for the people pressuring OP to do this. OP seems to have the best chance to make better life for all of the family by using her degree to both reach her own goals and help her sister, but it will take several years.

    María Hermida
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why should she use her degree to make better life for all her family and her sister? Have they stopped for a minute to think of *her* needs and goals? They are toxic, unstable, quarrelsome, the father is a hoarder and the sister is a d**g addict... OP has been working her a*s off to reach her goals DESPITE her family. She should run as fast as she can, go low or no contact and let them solve their own problems. Their circus, their monkeys.

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    Shadow
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow!!! To EVERYONE saying this young, intelligent woman is an AH because she is telling people, on a random social media ANONYMOUS site, that she will not sell or adopt out her niece HERE?! Are you fkg serious? WTH is wrong with you? Do you really think that THIS is the proper place to make contact with random adoptive 'parents'? More like predators and pedophiles. Christ I hope NONE OF YOU ever have kids you are responsible for. She was looking for advice, NOT looking to adopt out or sell a baby. If you gave her grief, there's something seriously wrong with you.

    Broadredpanda
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hi OP, I'm struggling for you on this. It's unfair, unreasonable and unrealistic for your family to put this amount of pressure on a 21 year old whose life has just begun!! You may on paper seem the perfect choice, but you don't know how to look after a child, and especially a child with special needs. It can take a very long time for a baby to recover from addiction and that's not the end when they do. A lot of other things come with a born addicted baby. I think it's awful what this baby is going through, but you shouldn't be kept awake at night because of the pressure from family to "do the right thing" It's not the right thing! You've barely experienced life yourself and these people expect your life to stop! So wrong. I think you'll be a fantastic aunt and you could put a little away for her future. You shouldn't be/feel forced to do anymore. Others need to come forward now, because it's so wrong and my heart hurts for you! I wish you nothing but good luck and peace for you!

    Beak Hookage
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm betting dollars to donuts that if she DID take the kid, this would be followed by endless relentless criticism about how she's not doing it right, etc etc. Her whole family sounds awful.

    Julia French
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She needs to reach out & reconnect with her nation or tribe or clan. that larger community should be able to find care within their culture

    Lexi
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is too young for all that this will bring, and yes I know there are women who have their OWN babies at a younger age. This is her life, why should she give it up because her sister made a mess of hers. No parent has the right to demand another one of their children pick up the cr@p another made of their life. NTA.

    WonderWoman
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This child is best to be far away from this family. FAR FAR AWAY.

    Craig Reynolds
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. She is too young; the baby is an addict baby and she already admits she doesn't even want kids and would feel resentful. The kid would grow up knowing it was unwanted by her and that would only make things worse for the kid. Do those YTA people believe that's a better situation than the foster system? No one should be demanded to care for a child that isn't theirs.

    Gloria A.
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Your parents lost the Dene community support, not you. They will be proud of how you've worked hard to have a better life. If they don't take your niece, then she can be in foster care. Perhaps after your sister is released from prison she can get her back. No one has mentioned health issues. My friends adopted a heroin baby who turned out to be severely autistic. She is a forever a child. Their lives have been getting the right meds, school, mental healthcare for the child, who can never live independently. I don't know what my friends have planned after they die, but the girl will always need care. Your life will no longer be yours, even if by some miracle the baby is fine, she'll be your responsibility forever. It's a huge ask, and not one to take lightly.

    Julie B
    Community Member
    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are thousands upon thousands of couples waiting to adopt and would be thrilled to take this baby into their family. A family member of mine adopted a baby under very similar circumstances. There have been so many challenges that I cannot imagine how they would've done it without having two of them to share the load and support one another. The child is in school now and has tons of educational and medical support, but even navigating those systems takes alot of time, patience, and legwork. The parents are in their early 40s now and I honestly don't think they could've managed everything they have at age 21. Even with everything they've had to deal with, they would not trade that little girl for anything and they love her with all their hearts. The truth is, your family needs to let go of being selfish about what they feel is "the right thing to do" and instead, acknowledge what is best for the baby.

    Susy Hammond
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To the YTAers: are there adoptive families within the nation to take this baby? The ICWA is an important part of this sad story. As an adult adoptee I would rather see the child raised in a family that knows the issues around d**g addicted infants, AND staying within the child's cultural surroundings, with a future lifeline to the family of origin. No one has said anything about the father's family.

    Lori Quintana
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are 21, you should not be expected to take on a child ...especially if you don't want one. It's your choice absolutely. I can't even wrap my brain around anything or anyone that would suggest otherwise. This is sad but not your problem. This child should be given a good start and if that means an adoption through CPS, then so be it. Not to be pushed upon a 21 year old just starting out.

    Happy_Pandalover
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That‘s just crazy. Why can‘t the family come together and try to find a solution together instead of pressuring one young person? This is a special situation. Maybe there will be a way to have the baby at experienced foster parents first and OP can still keep in touch with the child since it seems like she does love her niece.

    Deborah B
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. 21 straight out of college and working. It sounds like you are getting your life together, and doing a good job of it, but you need to be responsible for yourself first. Being stable alone doesn't mean you have the capacity to support a child as well. You are not ready to be a parent, especially to a child with additional needs, and you seem to be aware of that. Being a parent to this child would be a full time, very demanding job second job, and one you are not equipt to take on alone. If your family is unwilling to see the child in foster care, then an open adoption may be the best option.

    PeakyBlinder
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You do not hsve to explsin anything to your family - a simple NO is enough. This child is not your responsibility, if they do not want to put her up for Adoption (which would probably be best ss nobody seems to keen on raising a child) or else they can tsje her in...

    Sasha
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You didn’t give birth and this is not on you. They will have to accept whatever choice you make. We are Indigenous as well. From what I understand they will have to try to place the baby in a safe home of a family safe family who is also DENE. If your parents are so concerned, then they should adopt her. I hate to be so blunt but, “Not your circus, not your monkey.”

    Red Skye
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Haven't read don't care, its NOT the OP's baby, so choosing NOT to adopt it does NOT mean she is 'abandoning it', unless her sister died and made her the kids godmother, and made it clear she meant it as choice to legally give custody to in event of her death. and even then, the OPS still has the right to refuse to adopt the kid, the parents wanna pull the you're family its your responsibility c**p, well THEY'RE family too, its just as much their duty. trying to FORCE a person who doesn't want kids to adopt a kid is a stupid move, they will resent the kid, some people chose to be childless because they KNOW they are not cut out to raise kids from a child safety viewpoint. enough said. No one can FORCE her to ADOPT the kid, the right thing is to suggest temporary fosterage to see how they get on or don't get along NOT adoption right out of the gate.

    Carol Hoousendove
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is not your problem. Tell parents to take the baby. Live your life.

    Terence Maguire
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How could she adopt? Yes, she has a job making $45K now... but taking care of an addicted baby is far harder than a healthy baby... when would she work? How could she work? She would lose her apartment, and with zero preparation for taking in a child...? No you are NTA. If "Family" means so much, Grandma and Grandpa would straighten themselves out and take in their Grandchild. OP did not get knocked up, she's doing things right by going to school, working, having her own place. She needs to contact the Elders of her Tribe directly and give them the straight skinny. I think if approached with respect, the tribe would take the child in and give the baby a foster home or adopt her into a family.

    Sandra Price
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA the child should be given to someone with experience of taking care of dr*g addicted children. Your parents have been cut off from their culture for unnamed reasons. Your older sister is unwed convicted addicted mother who had an addicted baby. If she cared she would have gotten treatment before now. You should be so proud of what You have done in your young life. Your life is just beginning. It is not your responsibility to take this child who needs more resources than you have. Your sister, if you kept this child will never get clean but she will break the child's heart, & break your heart with broken promises. And be in and out of your life. You have been very responsible at a young age. Go be a responsible for your life. It doesn't sound like you have had much support but against the odds You made your way out. Be very proud of what you have accomplished.

    Invisible Potato
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    at some point i get the YTA, but OP is still a young, if she doenst want to be parent, she sould have option not to.

    Mary Lugo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a special ed. teacher,, a fetus introduced to d***s has their development affected for the rest of their lives. This won't be a 'lets get them off the d***s, and then they'll be fine' kind of thing. Even foster parents who specialize in 'd**g babies' have a very challenging time.

    brittany
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    you are not responsible for someone elses life choices. im sorry an innocent child is dealing with all of this but thats not your job to fix. lets put it this way. me and my husband are both established in our fields, we both work, both over 30 and we still could not afford daycare costs. no way a young lady fresh out of college who hasnt even had a chance to get into her career is going to be able to handle all of tht without some serious help behind her which she very clearly isnt going to get since her parents cant even keep their own house in order physically and metaphorically. im not saying the system is all good but theres a chance it will be better for the baby than being with a young person who has stated she isn't equipped to raise a kid or two people living in a hoarding situation.

    Laserleader
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The ICWA doesn't apply in this situation. If they have been cut off from their native community and excommunicated then the druggie sister needs to deal with her own life, and baby. Just because a stranger deems someone to be the "safest" choice of caregiver means nothing if the person didn't asked to be evaluated AS A CAREGIVER! She should go live her life, just like I did. When I got away from all the "unsafe" lifestyle choices of my family members I found the damage they caused me mentally took over a decade to get over (hoarder, child molester, predatory, religious abuse, mental abuse, lying, chosen ignorance, conspiracy theorists, and narcissistic disorders)

    Sonia Al Hasan
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, please do not adopt unless you are willing 100% to care and give your time and life for the child, and provide a stable family, you are not, yes you are capable but then again that's not 100% your choice, with time you might end up resenting her for all the missed opportunities you will miss, either your parent adopt her, or she gets adopted by a loving caring family that want a child, yes you love her, but she is not your responsibility, if your niece ends up in foster care system and gets treated badly it is solely the mother's fault not yours, she choose d***s, she choose criminal life and she abandoned her infant, it's not the aunt's fault, besides you are still young you still have your life a head of you, do not bind yourself to a child you didn't choose to bring to their world, give her away for adoption for loving families

    Kirsten Kohler
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would reach out to your community, do not adopt your niece if you do not wish to do so, you would end up resenting her and as you said she has gone through enough, NTA, you are doing the right thing it is not selfish you're young and have worked hard to get where you are, what's wrong with your parents if they that desperate to keep her in the family let them adopt her, however it would be good for to be adopted inside her own cultural background if possible. I wish you all the best for your future, you've worked hard to get where you are hats off to you, you are not selfish !

    barbara Nivens
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't take the baby just because you're family. Your resentment will be felt, even when you don't say anything. This is not your problem to solve. Tell them "No. Stop talking about it. I'm hanging up. If you continue I'm going to block you." And do it. Also, find a therapist to help you work through all of this. You will not make a good parent, doing this for all of the wrong reasons.

    Canadadreams
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A huge NTA. Ur mom has no right to pressurize u in this aspect bcz she is actually the main reason this happened in the first place. She did not parent ur sis properly due to which ur sis got addicted to d***s. So she is the person who should take responsibility for the consequences of her negligence and take ur neice in. I understand that ur parents house is not suitable for a baby but that is their headache to figure out. They cant behave irresponsibly and throw the consequences on u. U can show this comment to ur mom to make her realize what she did and what she is doing now.

    Kim Kermes
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dine is the name of the nation in the US southwest wrongly called Navajo. ICWA is an agency and legislation requiring First Nation children to be adopted by their people after the abuse of First Nations children being stolen their people.

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    Kathy Richardson
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your parents can apply to foster their grandchild without adopting her; that way the government would pay them a stipend for the child's care and also provide medical coverage.

    Cyber Returns
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. You didn't put your sister on heroine, Your parents should have kept a better eye on her so it is their failure to prevent your sister from going off the rails that has caused this predicament. They need to step up take care of the baby, not you, as a sort of penance for losing the child's mother

    Kieran N
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That last comment is so rude lmao I hope u/sad-atmosphere-8555 has a horrible day

    Hope Tirendi
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If her parents gave a damn about THEIR Grandkid they would clean up their discusting house so that THEY could take her. Also tired of this BS Native American c**p that only they can raise their own. They are doing a wonderful job considering they have a very high rate of d**g and alcohol abuse!!! Maybe the best shot is someone else outside the tribe take the kid.

    Barong
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    G A
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This screams fake to me. Why would parents not take the child? Oh they are hoarders. Why can't the father help? Oh he's done one. Why can't their tribe help out? Oh they fell out with them. Bullshittery of the highest order.

    tameson
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am confused. She says she and her family are Dene, which is a Canadian first nations group of people. But then she also says the is covered by ICWA, which is an American law and doesn't apply to the Dene. I guess she meant Dine' (Navajo) but why didn't she correct herself? I suspect this is all made up.

    moggie63
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    You don't want to adopt the baby. You don't want it to go into the system. You don't want anybody else to adopt the baby. Wtf DO you want?

    Donna Peluda
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    Talk about racist, fork the ICWA, what is in the best interest of the child is to find an good adoptive home. If they're not from the same ethic background so what. If know one in the tribe wants the baby, what other options is there. I'm sure they are many good families that can't have children of there own that would love to adopt a child. And give her a good home.

    Your Mom
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    OP seems only whining about the situation, but don't accept any opinion or solution. Even if their nation doesn't like her parents, since they are so caring, maybe they would take care of an innocent baby. And the baby have the best chance if she gets away from this family. Not TA, but definitely as the last comment says, she wants to be a martyr. Which is okay, you just should not b.tching about it this much.

    Full of Giggles
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    I was one of the people who messaged OP about adopting the baby. She was extremely rude and offensive. My husband and I are registered foster parents in her state. We have experience with d**g related special needs and the financial means to take in another child. We genuinely wanted to help her. At no point did I offer her money for the baby, but I did offer to pay all legal fees associated with the adoption. She called me a piece of 💩 human trafficker and said she hopes Family Services takes my kids away.

    Laura Lou
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Messaging about adopting a baby through reddit can easily seem like somebody who wants a child for a not decent reason. Somebody who might not be able to adopt a child through the courts. She's only 21, and has presumably been messaged multiple times about people wanting to adopt the child. Though you're wanting to be kind (and you sound like a great person for everything!), I can understand her wariness.

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    Allison Slagle (Randomosity)
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To all the YTA: It's okay to admit you're selfish and don't want your life to revolve around a kid. Honestly, it's better to refuse taking in a baby if both you and the baby will be miserable. So many people have kids, not realizing how hard and exhausting it is, and end up ignoring, neglecting, or abusing them. Some people weren't made to be parents and I'm proudly one of them.

    Mike F
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A friend had an aunt (now dead) who fostered addicted babies and that is a nightmarish job. I don't know how she kept her sanity. Those kids were in really bad states to a one. The one with their head screwed on straight is the OP. She needs to tell the folks demanding she take that child to pi$$ off or take the baby themselves.

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    Dragons Exist
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never seen a more obvious nta before. No one should be forced to have kids - she was nta from the title alone and the post just made it more clear that she's nta

    Cronecast AtTheRisingMoon
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And apparently the poor OP grew up in a house with someone who has a hoarding disorder who is now pressuring her to take this baby rather than getting help for their own issues so that the grandparents can step in. And there is likely going to be another baby in the same condition unless her sister manages to get clean. It’s so tragic…but also this poor young woman being guilted by people who won’t deal with their own issues.

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    Rosie Red
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm thinking the YTA people should apply for adoption.

    Tabitha
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    God no. I wouldn’t want any innocent kid to end up with a******s like that.

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    Marno C.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have some experience with adoption and indigenous populations and OP is so much NTA. She might be the most stable one in the family, but that is not saying much. Yes, sister is in such active addiction that she used while pregnant, but look also at the grandparents -- at odds with their own community, badgering and pressuring their daughter, and living in unsafe hoarding condition. They are no position to demand anything. So, OP doesn't have the age/experience, the income, AND lacks helpful family support AND is estranged from community cultural supports thanks to her parents. If OP wanted to help in the name of ICWA, maybe she could be the member of her family to rebuild some connection to her cultural community so that someone there could start fostering the baby. (But the onus is still mostly on the social worker and community outreach workers, naturally.)

    Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think this was very well said. The idea of a child staying with their family and culture is the best case scenario, but thats not the case here at all. The OP is not just alone, shes alone and being dragged down. This is not the best case scenario for the baby or the OP.

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    Lantana Howell
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To the YTA people, it's isn't this young woman's responsibility. Feel free to put your money where your mouth is and adopt this baby yourself.

    Remi (He/Him)
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The normal age minimum to adopt a child is 25 years for a reason. The op shouldn't give in to the pressure. she's too young and her and the child would struggle financially for the foreseeable future.

    Zoe's Mom
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The original poster will probably never see this but here's my 2 cents: I was in my early 40's when I call CPS (Child Protection Services) on my younger sister for the same reason. I fostered my 2 nephews, and it was one of the hardest things I have ever done. I had financial help from the government but the time and energy it took to teach a young boy to do homework and how to have proper hygiene was a nightmare. I was with him until 9 at night because his mother didn't bother with their schoolwork. She did get off d***s and eventually they went back to her. DO NOT, I state, DO NOT take this child in. Let it go through the system and find a loving family to take it. You are just starting your life and eventually you'll resent both your family and the child and it's not fair to the child. Best of luck.

    Panda McPandaface
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Herartbreaking but NO. Again NO. If it is wrong for you, it is wrong for the child.

    FreeTheUnicorn
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't adopt her. For so many reasons but clearly because your family is not stable and is not realistic about putting the baby's best interests ahead of their fantasies about happy families. They'd also likely pressure you to give her to your sister when she's out of jail, no matter how she is doing.

    FreeTheUnicorn
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Babies in the foster system are the most likely to be adopted through a public adoption (if this is US). That's the best outcome for her. As you've seen private adoptions are often transactional and are less well regulated, so there are a lot of creepy people buying children. There are plenty of reputable and responsible agencies, but you have to rsearch. The state will be working with their own agency or with agencies that have been vetted. The younger the child the quicker they are usually adopted, and the state can make sure she's placed with someone ready for any medical issues from the addiction etc. Stalling this process just makes it more likely that she won't be in a stable home, either from family interference or because you'd have to research and vet agencies yourself. Don't complicate the life of this littlengirl whose life is already off to a difficult start.

    AMaureen Dance
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A stranger, as long as they're qualified for the needs of this child, would be for the best. Especially if it can be closed. Then the adoptive parents won't get hassled by the mother from jail or the grandparents from their hoard.

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    Kylie
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The OP is definitely not the AH. I've seen someone do this same scenario and adopt their sister's baby. Years later after she sacrificed and raised the child the sister gets off d***s and comes round making her life hell demanding she get "HER baby" back. This situation isn't the same as a closed adoption where it's a done deal and the druggie mother can't find out who has 'her baby'.

    Morngaur of Gorgoroth
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To clarify: the young lady is Diné, I think, which is the endonym for Navajo. The Indian Child Welfare Act states, in part, that Native American children must be adopted by Native Americans, whenever possible. So, the folks who have been reaching out to the OP offering money for the baby, even if their intent is honestly to adopt her, are violating Federal Law. Since the ICWA is involved, I'm surprised that CPS hasn't already contacted the Navajo Nation Council. If they haven't, the OP should. The Navajo are justly known for their strong sense of family and tribe, and I'm sure she could find somebody to adopt her niece.

    Kim Kermes
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn't know the name of the Council, but that was my first thought. There may be other relatives in a position to adopt.

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    BrownEyedPanda
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One thing about this situation that no one has considered: what's to stop OP'S sister from popping out another baby in a year or so? Will OP be expected to adopt THAT one, too? Where will it end? OP is actually taking the high road by declining to adopt her niece. She's only 21, just starting life in the real world, with not a lot of money. Taking on an infant (especially one with medical issues, courtesy of a d**g-addicted mother) will drain her savings in no time. The toll on her mental health would be staggering. Of course, she would receive absolutely no help from her fa-a-a-a-mily, but she would still be expected to step up because, after all, they're fa-a-a-a-mily. I never thought I would say this, but in this case, foster care with the possibility of adoption would be best for all concerned.

    Traveling Man
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Registered Nurse here: I worked in a Navajo Hospital and understand. I also have a married relative that adopted the child of an addict and had a horrible time raising that child.That child is now an adult and is not able to keep a job or stay off substance abuse. You do not have a support system and will NOT be able to work AND care for this child at the same time. Do not destroy your future as your sister destroyed hers.

    Gwyn
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't let your sister ruin you life too. If it's not something you want and are feeling good about, don't do it.

    Reta Murphy
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To YTA and family, just stop it. To a few others on here, she is not being selfish, she is thinking highly of the child. She doesn't feel she can give the child a great life especially a child that already has an addiction problem. That takes someone with a lot of training. She is showing a maturity that is lacking in today's world. I am an older woman (ok OLD boomer) and there is no way in hell that I would be able to something like that and I raised 3 kids plus plenty of neighbor kids. lol She isn't saying she doesn't want a child to revolve around, she is saying she is not ready and not equipped at this time for a special needs child. That is okay.

    Jane
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If she agrees to adopt this baby, I'm sure there will be more babies to be adopted in the future. I''m guessing that a heroin addict doesn't always use reliable birth control. This is a life sentence of being crushed by her sister's bad choices. It will never end.

    Kim Kermes
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if there isn't a Dine go-between who could approach the family and community? Maybe, the family would be willing to be in contact with you if told about you by someone less directly involved?

    Squirrelly Panda
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP should reach out to her community and tell them of this special needs baby that will be going to foster care because no one in her family is on a position to take the child, including her, though for different reasons from the rest of the family. The worse they can do is attempt a guilt trip while saying no.

    Juanita Sullivan
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Sounds like the parents are toxic and she needs to walk away. Should she give in now, they will never leave her alone.

    GottaGo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    40m here. I'm a father of a 4yo. Being a parent was and still is the most difficult thing I've ever had to do. I can't imagine a 21 yo trying to take the whole responsibility of a baby all alone. Plus, the baby is addicted. Too much burden that is. The OP is obviously NTA, but a solution must be found for the poor baby.

    Froyn Laven
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTS. Never take on other people's responsibilities or listen to the opinions of fools

    Michelle Randazzo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stand your ground. Taking care of an addiction is bad enough. But an infant? Not only will you lose your job, home and sleep, but 24 7 with that child will put you in the crazy house. She needs professional care. And when it's time, a loving adoptive family. Ignore all those moronic haters. And your parents need to stay out of it. Or adopt the baby.

    Steve Hall
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is 21 years old and not responsible for her sister's mistakes. Her family is always going to be begging her for something, she should distance herself as soon as possible.

    Roberta Schrote
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where is the child's father and his family in this story? Also, it's shortsighted for the people pressuring OP to do this. OP seems to have the best chance to make better life for all of the family by using her degree to both reach her own goals and help her sister, but it will take several years.

    María Hermida
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why should she use her degree to make better life for all her family and her sister? Have they stopped for a minute to think of *her* needs and goals? They are toxic, unstable, quarrelsome, the father is a hoarder and the sister is a d**g addict... OP has been working her a*s off to reach her goals DESPITE her family. She should run as fast as she can, go low or no contact and let them solve their own problems. Their circus, their monkeys.

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    Shadow
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow!!! To EVERYONE saying this young, intelligent woman is an AH because she is telling people, on a random social media ANONYMOUS site, that she will not sell or adopt out her niece HERE?! Are you fkg serious? WTH is wrong with you? Do you really think that THIS is the proper place to make contact with random adoptive 'parents'? More like predators and pedophiles. Christ I hope NONE OF YOU ever have kids you are responsible for. She was looking for advice, NOT looking to adopt out or sell a baby. If you gave her grief, there's something seriously wrong with you.

    Broadredpanda
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hi OP, I'm struggling for you on this. It's unfair, unreasonable and unrealistic for your family to put this amount of pressure on a 21 year old whose life has just begun!! You may on paper seem the perfect choice, but you don't know how to look after a child, and especially a child with special needs. It can take a very long time for a baby to recover from addiction and that's not the end when they do. A lot of other things come with a born addicted baby. I think it's awful what this baby is going through, but you shouldn't be kept awake at night because of the pressure from family to "do the right thing" It's not the right thing! You've barely experienced life yourself and these people expect your life to stop! So wrong. I think you'll be a fantastic aunt and you could put a little away for her future. You shouldn't be/feel forced to do anymore. Others need to come forward now, because it's so wrong and my heart hurts for you! I wish you nothing but good luck and peace for you!

    Beak Hookage
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm betting dollars to donuts that if she DID take the kid, this would be followed by endless relentless criticism about how she's not doing it right, etc etc. Her whole family sounds awful.

    Julia French
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She needs to reach out & reconnect with her nation or tribe or clan. that larger community should be able to find care within their culture

    Lexi
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is too young for all that this will bring, and yes I know there are women who have their OWN babies at a younger age. This is her life, why should she give it up because her sister made a mess of hers. No parent has the right to demand another one of their children pick up the cr@p another made of their life. NTA.

    WonderWoman
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This child is best to be far away from this family. FAR FAR AWAY.

    Craig Reynolds
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. She is too young; the baby is an addict baby and she already admits she doesn't even want kids and would feel resentful. The kid would grow up knowing it was unwanted by her and that would only make things worse for the kid. Do those YTA people believe that's a better situation than the foster system? No one should be demanded to care for a child that isn't theirs.

    Gloria A.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Your parents lost the Dene community support, not you. They will be proud of how you've worked hard to have a better life. If they don't take your niece, then she can be in foster care. Perhaps after your sister is released from prison she can get her back. No one has mentioned health issues. My friends adopted a heroin baby who turned out to be severely autistic. She is a forever a child. Their lives have been getting the right meds, school, mental healthcare for the child, who can never live independently. I don't know what my friends have planned after they die, but the girl will always need care. Your life will no longer be yours, even if by some miracle the baby is fine, she'll be your responsibility forever. It's a huge ask, and not one to take lightly.

    Julie B
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are thousands upon thousands of couples waiting to adopt and would be thrilled to take this baby into their family. A family member of mine adopted a baby under very similar circumstances. There have been so many challenges that I cannot imagine how they would've done it without having two of them to share the load and support one another. The child is in school now and has tons of educational and medical support, but even navigating those systems takes alot of time, patience, and legwork. The parents are in their early 40s now and I honestly don't think they could've managed everything they have at age 21. Even with everything they've had to deal with, they would not trade that little girl for anything and they love her with all their hearts. The truth is, your family needs to let go of being selfish about what they feel is "the right thing to do" and instead, acknowledge what is best for the baby.

    Susy Hammond
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To the YTAers: are there adoptive families within the nation to take this baby? The ICWA is an important part of this sad story. As an adult adoptee I would rather see the child raised in a family that knows the issues around d**g addicted infants, AND staying within the child's cultural surroundings, with a future lifeline to the family of origin. No one has said anything about the father's family.

    Lori Quintana
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are 21, you should not be expected to take on a child ...especially if you don't want one. It's your choice absolutely. I can't even wrap my brain around anything or anyone that would suggest otherwise. This is sad but not your problem. This child should be given a good start and if that means an adoption through CPS, then so be it. Not to be pushed upon a 21 year old just starting out.

    Happy_Pandalover
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That‘s just crazy. Why can‘t the family come together and try to find a solution together instead of pressuring one young person? This is a special situation. Maybe there will be a way to have the baby at experienced foster parents first and OP can still keep in touch with the child since it seems like she does love her niece.

    Deborah B
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. 21 straight out of college and working. It sounds like you are getting your life together, and doing a good job of it, but you need to be responsible for yourself first. Being stable alone doesn't mean you have the capacity to support a child as well. You are not ready to be a parent, especially to a child with additional needs, and you seem to be aware of that. Being a parent to this child would be a full time, very demanding job second job, and one you are not equipt to take on alone. If your family is unwilling to see the child in foster care, then an open adoption may be the best option.

    PeakyBlinder
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You do not hsve to explsin anything to your family - a simple NO is enough. This child is not your responsibility, if they do not want to put her up for Adoption (which would probably be best ss nobody seems to keen on raising a child) or else they can tsje her in...

    Sasha
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You didn’t give birth and this is not on you. They will have to accept whatever choice you make. We are Indigenous as well. From what I understand they will have to try to place the baby in a safe home of a family safe family who is also DENE. If your parents are so concerned, then they should adopt her. I hate to be so blunt but, “Not your circus, not your monkey.”

    Red Skye
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Haven't read don't care, its NOT the OP's baby, so choosing NOT to adopt it does NOT mean she is 'abandoning it', unless her sister died and made her the kids godmother, and made it clear she meant it as choice to legally give custody to in event of her death. and even then, the OPS still has the right to refuse to adopt the kid, the parents wanna pull the you're family its your responsibility c**p, well THEY'RE family too, its just as much their duty. trying to FORCE a person who doesn't want kids to adopt a kid is a stupid move, they will resent the kid, some people chose to be childless because they KNOW they are not cut out to raise kids from a child safety viewpoint. enough said. No one can FORCE her to ADOPT the kid, the right thing is to suggest temporary fosterage to see how they get on or don't get along NOT adoption right out of the gate.

    Carol Hoousendove
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is not your problem. Tell parents to take the baby. Live your life.

    Terence Maguire
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How could she adopt? Yes, she has a job making $45K now... but taking care of an addicted baby is far harder than a healthy baby... when would she work? How could she work? She would lose her apartment, and with zero preparation for taking in a child...? No you are NTA. If "Family" means so much, Grandma and Grandpa would straighten themselves out and take in their Grandchild. OP did not get knocked up, she's doing things right by going to school, working, having her own place. She needs to contact the Elders of her Tribe directly and give them the straight skinny. I think if approached with respect, the tribe would take the child in and give the baby a foster home or adopt her into a family.

    Sandra Price
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA the child should be given to someone with experience of taking care of dr*g addicted children. Your parents have been cut off from their culture for unnamed reasons. Your older sister is unwed convicted addicted mother who had an addicted baby. If she cared she would have gotten treatment before now. You should be so proud of what You have done in your young life. Your life is just beginning. It is not your responsibility to take this child who needs more resources than you have. Your sister, if you kept this child will never get clean but she will break the child's heart, & break your heart with broken promises. And be in and out of your life. You have been very responsible at a young age. Go be a responsible for your life. It doesn't sound like you have had much support but against the odds You made your way out. Be very proud of what you have accomplished.

    Invisible Potato
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    at some point i get the YTA, but OP is still a young, if she doenst want to be parent, she sould have option not to.

    Mary Lugo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a special ed. teacher,, a fetus introduced to d***s has their development affected for the rest of their lives. This won't be a 'lets get them off the d***s, and then they'll be fine' kind of thing. Even foster parents who specialize in 'd**g babies' have a very challenging time.

    brittany
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    you are not responsible for someone elses life choices. im sorry an innocent child is dealing with all of this but thats not your job to fix. lets put it this way. me and my husband are both established in our fields, we both work, both over 30 and we still could not afford daycare costs. no way a young lady fresh out of college who hasnt even had a chance to get into her career is going to be able to handle all of tht without some serious help behind her which she very clearly isnt going to get since her parents cant even keep their own house in order physically and metaphorically. im not saying the system is all good but theres a chance it will be better for the baby than being with a young person who has stated she isn't equipped to raise a kid or two people living in a hoarding situation.

    Laserleader
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The ICWA doesn't apply in this situation. If they have been cut off from their native community and excommunicated then the druggie sister needs to deal with her own life, and baby. Just because a stranger deems someone to be the "safest" choice of caregiver means nothing if the person didn't asked to be evaluated AS A CAREGIVER! She should go live her life, just like I did. When I got away from all the "unsafe" lifestyle choices of my family members I found the damage they caused me mentally took over a decade to get over (hoarder, child molester, predatory, religious abuse, mental abuse, lying, chosen ignorance, conspiracy theorists, and narcissistic disorders)

    Sonia Al Hasan
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, please do not adopt unless you are willing 100% to care and give your time and life for the child, and provide a stable family, you are not, yes you are capable but then again that's not 100% your choice, with time you might end up resenting her for all the missed opportunities you will miss, either your parent adopt her, or she gets adopted by a loving caring family that want a child, yes you love her, but she is not your responsibility, if your niece ends up in foster care system and gets treated badly it is solely the mother's fault not yours, she choose d***s, she choose criminal life and she abandoned her infant, it's not the aunt's fault, besides you are still young you still have your life a head of you, do not bind yourself to a child you didn't choose to bring to their world, give her away for adoption for loving families

    Kirsten Kohler
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would reach out to your community, do not adopt your niece if you do not wish to do so, you would end up resenting her and as you said she has gone through enough, NTA, you are doing the right thing it is not selfish you're young and have worked hard to get where you are, what's wrong with your parents if they that desperate to keep her in the family let them adopt her, however it would be good for to be adopted inside her own cultural background if possible. I wish you all the best for your future, you've worked hard to get where you are hats off to you, you are not selfish !

    barbara Nivens
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't take the baby just because you're family. Your resentment will be felt, even when you don't say anything. This is not your problem to solve. Tell them "No. Stop talking about it. I'm hanging up. If you continue I'm going to block you." And do it. Also, find a therapist to help you work through all of this. You will not make a good parent, doing this for all of the wrong reasons.

    Canadadreams
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A huge NTA. Ur mom has no right to pressurize u in this aspect bcz she is actually the main reason this happened in the first place. She did not parent ur sis properly due to which ur sis got addicted to d***s. So she is the person who should take responsibility for the consequences of her negligence and take ur neice in. I understand that ur parents house is not suitable for a baby but that is their headache to figure out. They cant behave irresponsibly and throw the consequences on u. U can show this comment to ur mom to make her realize what she did and what she is doing now.

    Kim Kermes
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dine is the name of the nation in the US southwest wrongly called Navajo. ICWA is an agency and legislation requiring First Nation children to be adopted by their people after the abuse of First Nations children being stolen their people.

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    Kathy Richardson
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your parents can apply to foster their grandchild without adopting her; that way the government would pay them a stipend for the child's care and also provide medical coverage.

    Cyber Returns
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. You didn't put your sister on heroine, Your parents should have kept a better eye on her so it is their failure to prevent your sister from going off the rails that has caused this predicament. They need to step up take care of the baby, not you, as a sort of penance for losing the child's mother

    Kieran N
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That last comment is so rude lmao I hope u/sad-atmosphere-8555 has a horrible day

    Hope Tirendi
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If her parents gave a damn about THEIR Grandkid they would clean up their discusting house so that THEY could take her. Also tired of this BS Native American c**p that only they can raise their own. They are doing a wonderful job considering they have a very high rate of d**g and alcohol abuse!!! Maybe the best shot is someone else outside the tribe take the kid.

    Barong
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    3 months ago

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    G A
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This screams fake to me. Why would parents not take the child? Oh they are hoarders. Why can't the father help? Oh he's done one. Why can't their tribe help out? Oh they fell out with them. Bullshittery of the highest order.

    tameson
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am confused. She says she and her family are Dene, which is a Canadian first nations group of people. But then she also says the is covered by ICWA, which is an American law and doesn't apply to the Dene. I guess she meant Dine' (Navajo) but why didn't she correct herself? I suspect this is all made up.

    moggie63
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    You don't want to adopt the baby. You don't want it to go into the system. You don't want anybody else to adopt the baby. Wtf DO you want?

    Donna Peluda
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    3 months ago

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    Talk about racist, fork the ICWA, what is in the best interest of the child is to find an good adoptive home. If they're not from the same ethic background so what. If know one in the tribe wants the baby, what other options is there. I'm sure they are many good families that can't have children of there own that would love to adopt a child. And give her a good home.

    Your Mom
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    3 months ago

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    OP seems only whining about the situation, but don't accept any opinion or solution. Even if their nation doesn't like her parents, since they are so caring, maybe they would take care of an innocent baby. And the baby have the best chance if she gets away from this family. Not TA, but definitely as the last comment says, she wants to be a martyr. Which is okay, you just should not b.tching about it this much.

    Full of Giggles
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    I was one of the people who messaged OP about adopting the baby. She was extremely rude and offensive. My husband and I are registered foster parents in her state. We have experience with d**g related special needs and the financial means to take in another child. We genuinely wanted to help her. At no point did I offer her money for the baby, but I did offer to pay all legal fees associated with the adoption. She called me a piece of 💩 human trafficker and said she hopes Family Services takes my kids away.

    Laura Lou
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Messaging about adopting a baby through reddit can easily seem like somebody who wants a child for a not decent reason. Somebody who might not be able to adopt a child through the courts. She's only 21, and has presumably been messaged multiple times about people wanting to adopt the child. Though you're wanting to be kind (and you sound like a great person for everything!), I can understand her wariness.

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