8 Completely Healthy People Tried To Find Out How Easy It Is To Get Admitted To A Psychiatric Asylum, Only To Realize How Hard It Is To Get Out
If you ever saw American Horror Story season 2 you might have the fear of being locked up in a psychiatric hospital, even though you are completely sane. When you think of it, it’s a very irrational fear, right? You just tell the nurses that you are completely sane, you have no serious issues with your mental health, and you are free to go! Well, turns out there might be something really messed up with our mental health institutions since once you get in there, it’s not so easy to get out.
Back in 1969, psychologist Dr. David Rosenhan created an experiment and called it “Being Sane in Insane Places”
The whole idea behind this unique experiment was to test out how easy it actually is to get into a psychiatric hospital, and how difficult it is to get out. Rosenhan gathered 8 people (three woman and five men) and every one of them gained admission to a different psychiatric hospital.”Among them where three psychologists, a pediatrician, a psychiatrist, a painter, and a housewife.” Every participant stated that they hear ‘voices’ in their head that repeated 3 words – ‘empty’, ‘dull’, ‘thud’.
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It only took them to have this one symptom to be easily assigned to a psychiatric hospital. Rosenhan states that he feared they would be easily caught in the hospital and exposed as frauds, but this fear was nowhere near the reality.
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The moment the participants stepped foot into these hospitals, all of them claimed their symptoms had vanished and they felt just fine. But that was not enough for them to be released.
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In fact, not one employee noticed that these people might have been faking their issues with mental health.
It took from 7 to 50 days for every participant to get out but no one was assigned ‘healthy’. Every single person was released with such disorders like manic-depressive disorder and even Schizophrenia.
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Even though the participants acted completely normal, their actions, like writing a diary, were considered disturbed. Patients were also treated poorly even though participants were kind to the staff, and some even experienced abuse. Rosenhan used the word ‘dehumanizing’ to describe the entire experience.
What fascinates us the most is that out of 118 actual patients, 35 noticed something ‘off’ with the participants, stating that they might be journalists or professors performing an experiment.
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The entire experiment resulted in a simple conclusion: mental health facilities are more keen to misdiagnose a healthy person to be sick, then a sick person to be healthy. “It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals,” Rosenhan wrote.
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Check out this video to learn more about the experiment!
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Share on FacebookI somehow feel that for me the most disturbing thing is that I'm not surprised and can imagine it happening today too
This is something that happened in 1969 with tragically flawed experiment parameters that had no way to be measured or deterred from different uncontrollable variables. This wasn't an experiment, it was a stunt. The fact of the matter is that if you present yourself as a schizophrenic, you can't be magically cured. It doesn't just go away.
At least one other person gets it. So a mental hospital is supposed to let everyone out who walks up and says "Even though I just got here and haven't even had treatment yet, I'm good. Lemme go" and they hospital should let you out and all is well? What do you expect? Obviously abuse etc is terrible, but the overall concept of this "stunt" as you put it is flawed.
Load More Replies...I kind of feel that people's problems are given a psychiatric label and palmed off as something medication can quickly fix. When people are unhappy with life, unfulfilled, even grieving it's labeled as depression. When my best friend died and I was grieving my GP felt it was best to try to put me on anti depressants. I needed a support group or maybe talk therapy and to understand that when something terrible happens it's acceptable to be lost and feel incredible grief. Giving out medication makes people less able to cope with life's problems as the answer lies in a bottle and should be quickly fixed. And worse it takes away from people that are genuinely suffering with a condition.
I always thought that everyone had a little wrong with them but “sane” people hid it better. :-) But after some of the stories I’ve heard first hand, I’m terrified to ever even walk into a mental “health” centre.
Well, I've been to MH hospital here (Bulgaria) as a visitor. The hospital wasn't that bad, just everything is very old and there are automatic locks on the floor doors, so you have to call a nurse to let you out. What terrified me was that it was working over capacity - the patients with milder issues were 3-4 people in a room, not sure about the sever cases, as they were on another floor. There is not enough room, not enough staff to properly pay attention to everyone. They keep the patients the bare minimum they can because of this. Even dangerous patients get released at some point, most patients are kept a few months max. For example - a neighbor obviously had bad issues, you couldn't talk to him, he looked like a caveman - tattered clothes, unkempt hair and beard, etc. He caused a fire in his apartment, nearly killing himself and harming others and they still kept him in hospital no more than 6 months. It's not the hospitals themselves that terrify me, it's the broken system.
Load More Replies...This would be harder to do today. Without insurance to pay the bill those hospitals will toss them out in 3 days. It's all about the money.
That is interesting. My dad tells the story of a girl he was dating, was admitted to a psych facility. One day on his visit to her she went crazy on him and he decided to leave and not see her again. On his way out he said the body guards stepped in and said to him "where do you think you're going??" my dad replied "oh just to home now I guess" and they wouldn't let him leave convinced he was one of their admitted patients. He had to convince them to look at the front desk check in where his ID was being held until then he was a prisoner he said it took a few hours to get out!
Working in mental health, this is very fascinating study and article. I will follow up further.
there was an in-patient psych hospital that would gladly take in patients for months' of treatments. Then they would declare "miracle cures" and put them out on the street once the insurance money ran out. They would sometimes put genuinely needy patients in the lobbies of airports all on their own if relatives could not be found who would take them in.
Thank God they were all released. Imagine if one of the hospitals refused to let the person go.
Please, please, please never commit anyone you care for into any kind of mental institutions. Once you're commited, you are tagged. You're gonna have a hell of a time telling these people you're ok. Anything you do will be completely analyzed. I have personal experience from a friend that got commited, because he refused to speak at his so-called trial. It took 10 years to get him out. MY ex and her boyfriend smoked weed, and my ex was commited because she freaked and ran down the road. Her family commited her. It took me 8 years to get her out. Once you're in, you're tagged as unstable. Watch the movie: "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest." With Jack Nicholson.
Been there, dealt with that. They are horrible places if you don’t play by the scripts they have in mind for you. Yes, even “today”. They are horrible places regardless. One woman I met had been electro shocked 7 times in 30 days, with the “psychiatrist” saying “we’ll get rid of those bad memories”. That’s not how you treat the residue of abuse and post-partum depression, m**********r! As for me, I encountered a sociopathic RN and a sociopathic or narcissistic psychiatrist. Not even exaggerating. I had to “be compliant” and take a drug that almost killed me just to get the f**k out of there. You think you have freedom... under very real laws, your civil freedoms can be suspended at the drop of a hat because someone has coerced a family member to sign a form to have you put in a psych ward. Worst things ever done to me.
I know I spent a year in the Hutt house &!I'm not even crackers but they started to lock the doors after me being there and there'd never taken me back either my unconventional logic is not advisable if unbalanced I was frightened to talk to anyone incase they committed hurry Currie
I'm a little surprised that nothing in here mentioned Nelly Bly, a reporter who did essentially the same experiment with a similar result around the 1890s/turn of the century and wrote a book about it
Goes to show, that then as today, most such medical professionals have no idea what in the f**k they are doing. Yes, they might be book learned but have no idea how to read people and translate the books into actual, practical medical help. In many cases, what they do is give the patients standardised tests, fill them with pills and that is that. I have been evaluated by such professionals very often due to the nature of my former work. In all the cases, they completely misread my personality. Bottom line is, that majority of psychologists are just there to tick off the boxes and collect the paycheck.
I heard that if you're stuck in a psych ward to call and cancel your insurance. If they aren't getting paid there is no reason for them to keep you.
Okay, stuff that happened over 40 years ago aren't exactly an indication on what happens right now. Furthermore, what exactly would one expect on this? Imagine yourself a guy being investigated by a detective as part of a case. The person *LIES* to the detective and says he committed the murder. The guy is then arrested based on his own confession and later on claims he is innocent and should be let out of jail cause he was just kidding. Seriously show of hands, how many people here would just release the guy? The fact is, these people went into an asylum under false pretenses and lied about it. Therefore, they got a false diagnosis based on their LIES. So what do you expect the asylum to do? Just release them? Because they said they are okay? It's not like their conditions could be cure in a day or two. If the longest one was 50 days that sounds reasonable to me - especially 40 years ago.
This was in 1969. As of today, most places in the world don't have enough facilities for the mentally ill. Many are abandoned on the streets. Note: Up to 1 in 5 homeless people have schizophrenia. So unless the facility that the fake patient checks in is private and costs an arm and a a leg, the chance of being admitted is very slim.
I work at a place and let me tell you, they will Shanghai u for insurance money. It's about pills and payout. And some do leave traumatized. So check the reputation
When someone fakes their symptoms for the purpose of some sort of secondary gain, that is properly diagnosed as Malingering. This can be a difficult diagnosis to make, particularly with mental illness complaints. These journalist/actors were in fact diagnosible. ICD10 code for malingering is Z76.5.
VA hospitals are probably the worst, no treatment at all. they just warehouse you.
That varies a lit from hospital to hospital. My brother got mediocre care in Grand Rapids, Mi. He was assaulted by another patient there resulting in a severe concussion and seizures. On the other hand he got very good care in Ann Arbor, Mi. The ER could be iffy but the rest was quite good.
Load More Replies...'murica has the worlds best healthcare. don't believe just ask the leaders of every major healthcare provider in the U.S. each of them making over 12 million each per year.
I recommend the book Girl Interrupted. It gives you an idea of how patients, especially women, were treated at mental health facilities. She was cured by agreeing to get married. The 60s were a sexist time.
While the systems even today are faulty in many places, please please please do not take old stories such as these as the norm. Psychological knowledge is ever-increasing, and what is understood now is near unrecognisable to what was going on in the 60s. However, people are fallible, and general practitioners are way under-trained for the rising demand for MH care. The current systems do not work. Mental healthcare (in the UK at least) is seriously underfunded all over the country, the waiting times are getting ridiculous, and an increasing number of people cannot afford to pay for the urgent need or the level of care required. This is not the fault of the psychiatrists, psychologists or counsellors, but the c***s who cut crucial fundings out of ignorance or greed, or both. 1 out of 6 people in the UK experience mental ill health at some point in their lives, but only 25% of those ever get treated. Think of the numbers, of your loved ones, of yourself... and demand change.
I recall reading how, early in the last century, may be the 20s or 30s simply on the word of a male family member, a female could be permanently institutionalized. Admitted with some "affliction"
Who's going around downvoting all these comments? Usually I understand the reason for downvotes, but not on the above 4 or 5 of them here.
Load More Replies...I somehow feel that for me the most disturbing thing is that I'm not surprised and can imagine it happening today too
This is something that happened in 1969 with tragically flawed experiment parameters that had no way to be measured or deterred from different uncontrollable variables. This wasn't an experiment, it was a stunt. The fact of the matter is that if you present yourself as a schizophrenic, you can't be magically cured. It doesn't just go away.
At least one other person gets it. So a mental hospital is supposed to let everyone out who walks up and says "Even though I just got here and haven't even had treatment yet, I'm good. Lemme go" and they hospital should let you out and all is well? What do you expect? Obviously abuse etc is terrible, but the overall concept of this "stunt" as you put it is flawed.
Load More Replies...I kind of feel that people's problems are given a psychiatric label and palmed off as something medication can quickly fix. When people are unhappy with life, unfulfilled, even grieving it's labeled as depression. When my best friend died and I was grieving my GP felt it was best to try to put me on anti depressants. I needed a support group or maybe talk therapy and to understand that when something terrible happens it's acceptable to be lost and feel incredible grief. Giving out medication makes people less able to cope with life's problems as the answer lies in a bottle and should be quickly fixed. And worse it takes away from people that are genuinely suffering with a condition.
I always thought that everyone had a little wrong with them but “sane” people hid it better. :-) But after some of the stories I’ve heard first hand, I’m terrified to ever even walk into a mental “health” centre.
Well, I've been to MH hospital here (Bulgaria) as a visitor. The hospital wasn't that bad, just everything is very old and there are automatic locks on the floor doors, so you have to call a nurse to let you out. What terrified me was that it was working over capacity - the patients with milder issues were 3-4 people in a room, not sure about the sever cases, as they were on another floor. There is not enough room, not enough staff to properly pay attention to everyone. They keep the patients the bare minimum they can because of this. Even dangerous patients get released at some point, most patients are kept a few months max. For example - a neighbor obviously had bad issues, you couldn't talk to him, he looked like a caveman - tattered clothes, unkempt hair and beard, etc. He caused a fire in his apartment, nearly killing himself and harming others and they still kept him in hospital no more than 6 months. It's not the hospitals themselves that terrify me, it's the broken system.
Load More Replies...This would be harder to do today. Without insurance to pay the bill those hospitals will toss them out in 3 days. It's all about the money.
That is interesting. My dad tells the story of a girl he was dating, was admitted to a psych facility. One day on his visit to her she went crazy on him and he decided to leave and not see her again. On his way out he said the body guards stepped in and said to him "where do you think you're going??" my dad replied "oh just to home now I guess" and they wouldn't let him leave convinced he was one of their admitted patients. He had to convince them to look at the front desk check in where his ID was being held until then he was a prisoner he said it took a few hours to get out!
Working in mental health, this is very fascinating study and article. I will follow up further.
there was an in-patient psych hospital that would gladly take in patients for months' of treatments. Then they would declare "miracle cures" and put them out on the street once the insurance money ran out. They would sometimes put genuinely needy patients in the lobbies of airports all on their own if relatives could not be found who would take them in.
Thank God they were all released. Imagine if one of the hospitals refused to let the person go.
Please, please, please never commit anyone you care for into any kind of mental institutions. Once you're commited, you are tagged. You're gonna have a hell of a time telling these people you're ok. Anything you do will be completely analyzed. I have personal experience from a friend that got commited, because he refused to speak at his so-called trial. It took 10 years to get him out. MY ex and her boyfriend smoked weed, and my ex was commited because she freaked and ran down the road. Her family commited her. It took me 8 years to get her out. Once you're in, you're tagged as unstable. Watch the movie: "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest." With Jack Nicholson.
Been there, dealt with that. They are horrible places if you don’t play by the scripts they have in mind for you. Yes, even “today”. They are horrible places regardless. One woman I met had been electro shocked 7 times in 30 days, with the “psychiatrist” saying “we’ll get rid of those bad memories”. That’s not how you treat the residue of abuse and post-partum depression, m**********r! As for me, I encountered a sociopathic RN and a sociopathic or narcissistic psychiatrist. Not even exaggerating. I had to “be compliant” and take a drug that almost killed me just to get the f**k out of there. You think you have freedom... under very real laws, your civil freedoms can be suspended at the drop of a hat because someone has coerced a family member to sign a form to have you put in a psych ward. Worst things ever done to me.
I know I spent a year in the Hutt house &!I'm not even crackers but they started to lock the doors after me being there and there'd never taken me back either my unconventional logic is not advisable if unbalanced I was frightened to talk to anyone incase they committed hurry Currie
I'm a little surprised that nothing in here mentioned Nelly Bly, a reporter who did essentially the same experiment with a similar result around the 1890s/turn of the century and wrote a book about it
Goes to show, that then as today, most such medical professionals have no idea what in the f**k they are doing. Yes, they might be book learned but have no idea how to read people and translate the books into actual, practical medical help. In many cases, what they do is give the patients standardised tests, fill them with pills and that is that. I have been evaluated by such professionals very often due to the nature of my former work. In all the cases, they completely misread my personality. Bottom line is, that majority of psychologists are just there to tick off the boxes and collect the paycheck.
I heard that if you're stuck in a psych ward to call and cancel your insurance. If they aren't getting paid there is no reason for them to keep you.
Okay, stuff that happened over 40 years ago aren't exactly an indication on what happens right now. Furthermore, what exactly would one expect on this? Imagine yourself a guy being investigated by a detective as part of a case. The person *LIES* to the detective and says he committed the murder. The guy is then arrested based on his own confession and later on claims he is innocent and should be let out of jail cause he was just kidding. Seriously show of hands, how many people here would just release the guy? The fact is, these people went into an asylum under false pretenses and lied about it. Therefore, they got a false diagnosis based on their LIES. So what do you expect the asylum to do? Just release them? Because they said they are okay? It's not like their conditions could be cure in a day or two. If the longest one was 50 days that sounds reasonable to me - especially 40 years ago.
This was in 1969. As of today, most places in the world don't have enough facilities for the mentally ill. Many are abandoned on the streets. Note: Up to 1 in 5 homeless people have schizophrenia. So unless the facility that the fake patient checks in is private and costs an arm and a a leg, the chance of being admitted is very slim.
I work at a place and let me tell you, they will Shanghai u for insurance money. It's about pills and payout. And some do leave traumatized. So check the reputation
When someone fakes their symptoms for the purpose of some sort of secondary gain, that is properly diagnosed as Malingering. This can be a difficult diagnosis to make, particularly with mental illness complaints. These journalist/actors were in fact diagnosible. ICD10 code for malingering is Z76.5.
VA hospitals are probably the worst, no treatment at all. they just warehouse you.
That varies a lit from hospital to hospital. My brother got mediocre care in Grand Rapids, Mi. He was assaulted by another patient there resulting in a severe concussion and seizures. On the other hand he got very good care in Ann Arbor, Mi. The ER could be iffy but the rest was quite good.
Load More Replies...'murica has the worlds best healthcare. don't believe just ask the leaders of every major healthcare provider in the U.S. each of them making over 12 million each per year.
I recommend the book Girl Interrupted. It gives you an idea of how patients, especially women, were treated at mental health facilities. She was cured by agreeing to get married. The 60s were a sexist time.
While the systems even today are faulty in many places, please please please do not take old stories such as these as the norm. Psychological knowledge is ever-increasing, and what is understood now is near unrecognisable to what was going on in the 60s. However, people are fallible, and general practitioners are way under-trained for the rising demand for MH care. The current systems do not work. Mental healthcare (in the UK at least) is seriously underfunded all over the country, the waiting times are getting ridiculous, and an increasing number of people cannot afford to pay for the urgent need or the level of care required. This is not the fault of the psychiatrists, psychologists or counsellors, but the c***s who cut crucial fundings out of ignorance or greed, or both. 1 out of 6 people in the UK experience mental ill health at some point in their lives, but only 25% of those ever get treated. Think of the numbers, of your loved ones, of yourself... and demand change.
I recall reading how, early in the last century, may be the 20s or 30s simply on the word of a male family member, a female could be permanently institutionalized. Admitted with some "affliction"
Who's going around downvoting all these comments? Usually I understand the reason for downvotes, but not on the above 4 or 5 of them here.
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