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Photographer Charges $100 More For Plus-Size Models, Tries To Justify It Online But People Are Not Buying His Excuses
Photographer Charges $100 More For Plus-Size Models, Tries To Justify It Online But People Are Not Buying His Excuses
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Photographer Charges $100 More For Plus-Size Models, Tries To Justify It Online But People Are Not Buying His Excuses

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The fashion industry is notorious for being harsh to plus-sized women who want to make their bodies seen and their voices heard. Luckily, the body-positive movement keeps on getting stronger, with people of all shapes and sizes challenging unrealistic beauty standards and speaking up about their experiences.

Last week, Megan Mesveskas, owner of modeling agency Model Nexus specializing in body diversity, exposed a well-known NYC-based photographer William Lords. The 24-year-old woman reached out asking about his rates and availability and, in response, his studio manager sent a troubling email with two different prices — one for “standard” models and another for “plus/curve” ones.

The man quickly faced backlash from the internet after Megan decided to shine a light on this baffling revelation on Instagram. Later on, model Sixtine Rouyre who is signed to Model Nexus, talked about this incident with her 573K TikTok followers, saying this is an example of “how awful the modeling industry is to anyone over a size zero.” Read on to find out the whole story.

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    Megan Mesveskas, owner of modeling agency Model Nexus, recently called out a well-known NYC photographer William Lords for charging extra to shoot curve and plus-sized models

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    In her video, Megan Mesveskas revealed the photographer charged $950 to shoot “standard” models, but $1050 to photograph curvy models.

    Mesveskas told Newsweek that neither curve nor plus-sized have much meaning. “Every woman, regardless of her dress size, has curves. I’d love to see a human being without a curve,” she noted in an email. “‘Plus-size’ is meaningless too. Plus according to who or what? I think these are unfortunate categorizations that are made because the world still finds it shocking to see any woman above a size 2 modeling.”

    “So it’s a way for the public to rationalize it ‘oh, she’s not a real model, she’s a plus-size model’,” Mesveskas continued. “We don’t require brunette [models] to identify themselves as such. We don’t ask [blue-eyed] models to sit alone in a category. So I’d love to know why should all women outside of 2 dress sizes be called ‘plus’ or ‘curve’?”

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    The woman revealed she was a model herself for eight years before starting her agency Model Nexus. Mesveskas said she often comes across brands that charge more for clothing made for “large-sized women,” but this incident was the first time she has seen the same for photographers.

    “After speaking with many models, no one has even heard of a higher rate for models with a lot of acne or one who would need exponentially more photoshop retouching — so to see this applied arbitrarily against women who a photographer deems as non-standard sized is really odd at best and discriminatory at worst,” she added.

    Later on, model Sixtine Rouyre shared the story and her thoughts on TikTok

    @sixtine#stitch with @meganmesveskas another day another shitty photographer in the industry! absolutely disgusting #modelingindustry#shitmodelmanagment @Shit ModelManagement #curvemodels♬ original sound – Sixtine Rouyre

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    Rouyre’s video caught the attention of famous Canadian fashion model Coco Rocha. “It feels like the industry is slipping backwards,” she commented. “Over the last 6 months, I’ve seen more & more signs that what little ground was gained is being lost.”

    After receiving backlash in the wake of the video, William Lords told Newsweek that he believed the email, which was written by his studio manager, was taken out of context. Lords explained he charges the extra $100 for curve models because of the time and cost involved in getting “creative and high end” garments that are on par with clothing offered to “straight-sized” models.

    “Most of them [curve models] say what they want, and you know what it is? The high-end stuff. They want the stuff that the straight-sized models have,” he said.

    The photographer mentioned he has purchased a lot of curve clothes costing around $1,000 per look on his own. The man does this so that models would get the clothes “they deserve” and “$100 is absolutely nothing compared to what I do for these girls,” he said.

    Lords added he decided to adjust his rates by making the sessions cost the same no matter the model’s size. However, the quality of clothes will be different — he will now ask models to bring their own clothing. “They are going to have to go out and use their own credit cards to get the best clothes and see how difficult that is,” he added.

    Later on, model Sixtine Rouyre posted another video on TikTok reacting to Lords’ words. “He makes it sound like we should be thanking him for giving us the same respect and treatment as he gives standard models,” she said. “Why should that cost us more?”

    People seemed to have different opinions about this whole situation, here’s what they had to say

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    Ieva Gailiūtė

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    Ieva Gailiūtė

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    Ieva is a writer at Bored Panda who graduated in Scandinavian studies from Vilnius University. After learning the Swedish language and getting completely lost in the world of Scandinavian mythology, she figured out that translating and writing is what she's passionate about. When not writing, Ieva enjoys making jewelry, going on hikes, reading and drinking coffee.

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    Mindaugas Balčiauskas

    Mindaugas Balčiauskas

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    I'm a visual editor at Bored Panda. I kickstart my day with a mug of coffee bigger than my head, ready to tackle Photoshop. I navigate through the digital jungle with finesse, fueled by bamboo breaks and caffeine kicks. When the workday winds down, you might catch me devouring bamboo snacks while binging on the latest TV show, gaming or I could be out in nature, soaking up the tranquility and communing with my inner panda.

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    AzKhaleesi
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that almost all the comments were OK with this is sick. I used to do photography and NEVER did I charge more for curvy / bigger clients. What the f**k is that?

    digitalin
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right. Like "but it takes more Photoshop..." Um, then charge for the Photoshop.

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    pusheen buttercup
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a photographer, experienced in Photoshop, and I can say that it doesn't take me longer to edit plus sized models. The requests are what takes longest, but making an "average person" slimmer takes me about the same amount of time as making a plus sized person slimmer.

    jade s
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why is there an assumption they'll be making them slimmer or touching up more. I thought the point of plus size modelling is to be body positive.

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    pusheen buttercup
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Morality aside, it's poor business planning to charge people based on that. You'll lose more customers than the extra charge would make up for.

    Jihana
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, do underweight models have to pay less?

    BorPand8
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hard to be "underweight" in the fashion industry...

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    pusheen buttercup
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For those of you saying you'd gladly pay more for a photographer with experience capturing plus sized people, that's understandable, but then you're paying for experience, so the rates wouldn't go "down" for more "average size" people. I specialize in photographing darker skin, but I don't charge extra for that or less if someone is pale, as all photos present unique challenges.

    Glirpy
    Community Member
    3 years ago

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    No, but you probably (or should if you don't) charge more for photographing a 5 year old than a 20 year old? It takes way more time to photograph children than adults just because they won't do what you want them to do.

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    The Queen Of Upper Butt Crack
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tall people should have to pay more since their bodies take up more film than "regular" height people. Sorry, gonna have to upcharge short people too. Their legs are shorter so it will take them more time to move positions for the shoot. Oh and if you have ing hair its double. People with long hair are always touching it, flicking it back, messing with it and that take time , and I have to photoshop out your split ends.

    Hunter
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He should at least have the decency to write it better. Is “ price of 950-1050” difficult?

    Sandra Bartsch
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is the photographer's explanation on New York Post: "The photographer says his prices are for “test shoots,” whereby he creates a look-book for models to take with them to auditions. The pricing includes access to a wardrobe full of designer clothes, which the models then wear while being photographed. Lords claims that designer threads for ultra-thin models (usually sizes 0 to 4) are easy to come by, but clothing for curvier women is more expensive and harder to source as less of the larger sizes are made. “Getting those clothes is very difficult,” Lords insisted. “I need to charge a bit higher, because it’s hard to find anything. I go out there and buy the clothes with my own credit card for the models to wear as part of our package.”"

    robjl 316
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And now due to the OP being an A hole he no longer provides outfits and cost is the same across the board. He was fair and up front.

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    2022emmam trent
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, it says it includes three styled looks and styled hair and everything, is it provided by the person taking the pictures or the person wanting the pictures taken? If it's by the people taking the pictures, understandable cause more fabric and it has to be customized to fit the body type but if it's provided by the person wanting the picture, then no, that's stupid

    robjl 316
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It also said he no longer provides outfits so prices are same across the board. It blows my mind how many people overlooked the facts given and were triggered like the A hole OP.

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    bulviniai blynai
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    had to creat an account to make a comment. Once I was an inexperienced photographer, charging low prices I have never had different pricing policies for models. Now I actually do. 9/10 times it takes more time to retouch a plus sized model (excluding simple headshots). In comparison, had to shoot a pic for a soap company commercial in which there was 3 lovely ladies in different body shapes - guess which one took the most time out of whole 6 hours to retouch the picture?. All in all, I am all for healthy body positivity, but don't expect to be charged same for more work

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    AzKhaleesi
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that almost all the comments were OK with this is sick. I used to do photography and NEVER did I charge more for curvy / bigger clients. What the f**k is that?

    digitalin
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right. Like "but it takes more Photoshop..." Um, then charge for the Photoshop.

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    pusheen buttercup
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a photographer, experienced in Photoshop, and I can say that it doesn't take me longer to edit plus sized models. The requests are what takes longest, but making an "average person" slimmer takes me about the same amount of time as making a plus sized person slimmer.

    jade s
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why is there an assumption they'll be making them slimmer or touching up more. I thought the point of plus size modelling is to be body positive.

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    pusheen buttercup
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Morality aside, it's poor business planning to charge people based on that. You'll lose more customers than the extra charge would make up for.

    Jihana
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, do underweight models have to pay less?

    BorPand8
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hard to be "underweight" in the fashion industry...

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    pusheen buttercup
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For those of you saying you'd gladly pay more for a photographer with experience capturing plus sized people, that's understandable, but then you're paying for experience, so the rates wouldn't go "down" for more "average size" people. I specialize in photographing darker skin, but I don't charge extra for that or less if someone is pale, as all photos present unique challenges.

    Glirpy
    Community Member
    3 years ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    No, but you probably (or should if you don't) charge more for photographing a 5 year old than a 20 year old? It takes way more time to photograph children than adults just because they won't do what you want them to do.

    Load More Replies...
    The Queen Of Upper Butt Crack
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tall people should have to pay more since their bodies take up more film than "regular" height people. Sorry, gonna have to upcharge short people too. Their legs are shorter so it will take them more time to move positions for the shoot. Oh and if you have ing hair its double. People with long hair are always touching it, flicking it back, messing with it and that take time , and I have to photoshop out your split ends.

    Hunter
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He should at least have the decency to write it better. Is “ price of 950-1050” difficult?

    Sandra Bartsch
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is the photographer's explanation on New York Post: "The photographer says his prices are for “test shoots,” whereby he creates a look-book for models to take with them to auditions. The pricing includes access to a wardrobe full of designer clothes, which the models then wear while being photographed. Lords claims that designer threads for ultra-thin models (usually sizes 0 to 4) are easy to come by, but clothing for curvier women is more expensive and harder to source as less of the larger sizes are made. “Getting those clothes is very difficult,” Lords insisted. “I need to charge a bit higher, because it’s hard to find anything. I go out there and buy the clothes with my own credit card for the models to wear as part of our package.”"

    robjl 316
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And now due to the OP being an A hole he no longer provides outfits and cost is the same across the board. He was fair and up front.

    Load More Replies...
    2022emmam trent
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, it says it includes three styled looks and styled hair and everything, is it provided by the person taking the pictures or the person wanting the pictures taken? If it's by the people taking the pictures, understandable cause more fabric and it has to be customized to fit the body type but if it's provided by the person wanting the picture, then no, that's stupid

    robjl 316
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It also said he no longer provides outfits so prices are same across the board. It blows my mind how many people overlooked the facts given and were triggered like the A hole OP.

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    bulviniai blynai
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    had to creat an account to make a comment. Once I was an inexperienced photographer, charging low prices I have never had different pricing policies for models. Now I actually do. 9/10 times it takes more time to retouch a plus sized model (excluding simple headshots). In comparison, had to shoot a pic for a soap company commercial in which there was 3 lovely ladies in different body shapes - guess which one took the most time out of whole 6 hours to retouch the picture?. All in all, I am all for healthy body positivity, but don't expect to be charged same for more work

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