Having a great work ethic is something many of us are proud of. It can feel really wonderful to know that you’re skilled at your job and that you make valuable contributions to your team. Problems can arise, however, when bosses don’t value their star employees. Going above and beyond sort of loses its luster when everyone is paid the same amount for unequal levels of work.
3 days ago, Reddit user MikalCaober shared a post on the Antiwork subreddit featuring a woman explaining how she got fired from her job at a bakery after realizing she got paid less than everyone else and asked for a raise. Sadly, this is not an isolated incident. The comments on MikalCaober’s post were flooded with examples of employees realizing that if everyone receives minimal reward, everyone might as well put in minimal effort. We’ve gathered some of the most frustrating stories from those comments to share with you below, but we’ll warn you: you may feel the spontaneous urge to ask for a raise after reading this post. Below you’ll also find interviews we were lucky enough to receive from MikalCaober, who sparked this conversation, and Mark Anthony Dyson, a career consultant and host of the podcast “The Voice of Job Seekers”.
Then when you’re finished reading these stories, we recommend checking out a Bored Panda piece where employees actually were appreciated for going the extra mile right here.
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I worked for Miss Moffets Mystical Cupcakes in Olympia WA. I worked there for three months. Two months through an internship program where I was by a different company and then 1 month directly for Miss Moffets.
Despite my boss, Rachel Green, refusing to train me on proper cake decorating, I was still expected to frost cupcakes and was yelled at for not knowing precisely how to place the strawberry slices.
Rachel would schedule me for overnight shifts and watch me through the cameras. She called me to scold me everytime I dared to sit down during mixing or baking times. Or when I stopped baking to clean. Or when I finished up early and left instead of staying longer to bake the next shifts cupcakes.
Rachel Green owns Miss Moffets Mystical Cupcakes. And at the end of my third month, the first month I would be paid by Green, she pulled me aside, told me my work was subpar and that even though I could mix, bake and frost a cupcake as fast as her star baker, clearly I wasn't good enough to stay. And that since I put out such subpar cupcakes, she would not be paying me for my full months work. And then she told me to leave and not come back.
I was fortunate enough to know D, the person who gave Green the money she needed for starting her business. I went straight to D and she let me listen in when she called Green. Oh man she screamed at Green for nearly 10 minutes. Then D told Green that if she don't pay me immediately, that Green would be sued for breaking labor laws and have to pay me at the very least everything she owed me if not a whole hell of a lot more. Oh man it was glorious.
Should have yelled "Ross was right. You were on a break!!" before you left. I'm sure she hates Friends references
It's hard to get any work done when you have someone breathing down your neck all the livelong day! Chandler said something like that I think.
Load More Replies...Very odd that Reddit and BoredPanda allowed the business and business owners' names to be published
Nice story, but that's all it is. A STORY. 1.Miss Moffett’s Mystical Cupcakes is owned by Rachel Young, not Green. 2.You only got one side of the story (and a lot of hearsay) from a person with a very high opinion of himself/herself. 3. Washington is an "at will" employment state. Look it up. 4.Why would the owner risk HEAVY fines for refusing to pay wages earned? 5. Truly good employees are hard to find and worth their weight in gold. If this employee was half as good as he/she said...
It's a good thing Rachel Green doesn't sue the OP for slander or liable, since this post is what it is. Unless the OP can prove all this, "outing" someone for this is asking for trouble, and so is reporting it
Duh. You can’t just say you wont be paying someone for a months work and think it’s ok if you say their work was subpar. That’s not how jobs work.
We got in touch with MikalCaober on Reddit to see what inspired him to originally make the post that sparked this conversation. He told Bored Panda, "I felt a sense of injustice when I saw this tweet, not just because the employee was fired for asking for pay reflecting their worth to the bakery, but also because the gender pay gap may have also been an issue." We then asked him if he believes situations like this are common. "From what I've seen on r/antiwork, it sounds common," he says. "Of course, we shouldn't assume that all employers do take advantage of their best employees, but it seems that many do." In terms of what he looks for in an employer, MikalCaober said, "I look for employers who genuinely see employees as human beings, not just assets."
In reference to his post, he also raised the point that, "Many of the Redditors who responded suggested that the person might have been fired for different reasons and that they could have been spinning the story to make it look like they were fired for being a good employee. It doesn't help that Twitter's character limit doesn't permit all details to be included (not unless you make your story span multiple tweets). I'd be curious to know what the employee says and what the employer's side of the story was." People online are always looking to play devil's advocate, so I would be curious to get a larger scope of the situation as well. As of now, we haven't been able to get in touch with the woman who made the original Tweet, but I have to admit, I'm inclined to be on her side, rather than her employer's.
I have a high school friend who owns 15 franchises of a business. He brags regularly that he personally makes about 5 million dollars a year.
The other week he was complaining to me about how he would go out of business if he had to raise the minimum wage pay from $8 an hour to $15.
I asked how many total employees he has, and he said 120. He could give every single employee a raise or 25,000 a year and still make a million bucks yearly without even affecting the actual business profits
If anyone is interested, assuming that all 120 employees are at minimum wage and get an extra $7 per hour, and assuming that they all work 40 hours/week, This would add up to a total of $1.75M per year in total. This would be a significant sacrifice, and he would immediately be looking for sympathy over his barely livable $3.25M salary.
I'm wondering, with politely interest, if you could explain how you arrived at $1 75M for a total. My figures were quite different so I wanted to understand the correct way to calculate the amount. It's been 9 years since I last worked with mathematical equations so I'm quite rusty in my calculation methods.
Load More Replies...If you can't pay a livable wage you don't deserve to have employees. Making those who MAKE YOU RICH scrounge to survive so YOU can stay wealthy is disgusting and people like that SHOULD be ashamed but of course they lack shame, or compassion, or empathy, or decency. It takes a special kind of SOB to defend someone like this.
I love how they're always "champions of the free market" but not one understand that Adam Smith the founder of what we use as capitalism would have them hanged for purposefully disrupting the economy. They took that stuff serious back then. Same with landlords .. he considered them parasites and not fit for society... Since they take value out of the economy(feel free to argue with an actual economist they are available almost 24/7 at any university faculty 1-800 line ppl...)
Load More Replies...Not saying the guy shouldn't pay his folks more, but I will say it has been my experience that guys who talk about how much they make when owning businesses are referring to their revenue, not their true income. HE CAN PAY HIS PEOPLE MORE, it's considered an expense on his taxes. (speaking from experience)
This...argument for the minimum wage makes sense math-wise, but completely ignores the economic, human side of things.
It all depends on his investment. If he invested $100 million 5% return is a little low. 1% return means selling the business and investing elsewhere. So some additional info is needed before making a judgement. But why not make hasty uniformed judgements isn't that the new norm. Learn to look for ALL the facts before judging.
Good for him! And we can all do the same (if we have the courage). He took a big chance on himself, likely borrowed a ton of money, provides 120 jobs for people, and probably works long hours himself. If his employees want more money, they can ask (not assume they're worth it), form a union, or quit.
I was fired when I was diagnosed with cancer. Yep, my office manager Heidi knew I was fighting cancer. I called in sick to work one Friday bc my treatment I had Thursday made me very very I'll. I left a VM on her cell at 7am. Because SHE didn't check her messages until 1030an she fired me for no call no show! I had been there over a year. SMH.
We also reached out to Mark Anthony Dyson, founder of The Voice of Job Seekers, to hear if he thinks it’s common for employees who work exceptionally hard to be taken advantage of. “Yes, and those exceptional workers have values placed on the quality of their work, and many view their work as the pathway to getting promotions and raises,” Mark told Bored Panda. “Employers who take advantage of hardworking employees understand and encourage it even if they experience burnout.”
We also asked Mark if he thinks employees require incentives to work hard and wondered what he thinks of the idea that minimum wage jobs will yield minimum effort from employees. “No, people aim to work hard, but need incentives for productivity that their boss values the most.” He went on to explain that, “Hard work is subjective when it’s undefined. Quantitative and qualitative data goals define productivity, then it is more motivating. There are times when the eye test is enough, then effort counts. If there is transparency behind the goal (like a leaderboard), and the results are based on data, the rewards will matter. There are always top performers in minimum wage jobs, but outstanding performances are often unnoticed.”
I was working a full commision paid job, no hourly. After two years, I asked for a 10% raise because I found out I was paying the entire rent and bills for the business just based on my commisions. My boss threatened to Lower my percentage from 55% to 50% if I brought it up again. I quit the same night, brought in 6 of my friends and took everything I had.
Almost all of my clients followed me to my next Job, which humbly offered me 60% at the door and another 5% for every two years I worked up to 75%. The few clients that were unable to make it to my new location still didnt go back to my old job, just went to another place closer than were I had moved.
Business went under a year after I left because he wasnt good enough to keep it open by himself [and whatever clowns he hired after me]
10 years later I still send my ex-boss Photos and Updates of his building. He usually gets two updates a year, every 6 months. Its now a small clothing store. They're doing very well, even launched their own in-house brand in the last year
10 years later...you're still letting your ex-boss live in your head rent free. I'm disabled because of my ex-boss, and I couldn't possibly care less about her life. She could have died a decade ago and I wouldn't know it. Letting the hatred continue to fester only hurts you in the long run.
Very good point. It's often very hard to let things go.
Load More Replies...Getting to keep 55% commission as a sales person sounds amazing. I don't know what industry this is, but I've only ever heard of commissions in the 10%-25% range, in various industries. Considering they have so many overheads to pay- the premises, the management, advertising/ finding clients, insurance, Plus all the years effort and money they put into developing the business.
I was thinking the same thing. Even 50-55% sounds insanely high. 75% just sounds unbelievable. Like...I literally don't believe it. I call shenanigans.
Load More Replies...Where the heck would you ever make 75% commission? That's insanely high...especially if someone else balked at 50-55%....
Lmao. That’s how karma works. You think your helping yourself by being greedy but your just quickening your own fall.
Next, we asked Mark if he had any tips for employees who feel their contributions go unnoticed by their employers. His first suggestion is to “amicably meet with your boss and ask for clear performance goals and incentives”. He then recommends asking for frequent feedback and keeping records of it. “Ensure documentation is in place, and make sure your boss signs off on it,” Mark added. He also says to “keep a list of how you add value and present it to your boss regularly”. “The list keeps your accomplishments in front of them and helps you to remain productive in his eyes.” Lastly, Mark added that, “If your boss allows their boss to join the meetings once in a while, use the opportunity to put your work and ideas out there for their feedback. This will help your visibility and potential recognition for future promotions and projects.”
If you’re interested in more tips from Mark, be sure to check out his podcast “The Voice of Job Seekers”.
Dont you know you were supposed to be grateful just to be there? I'm a baker. The only way I got a raise was from leaving to work at a place paying me almost twice as much. This was the ONLY way my boss understood that I was worth more than 9 an hour.
It's all to common for employers to not appreciate their workers. I'm looking for a new job because the place I work at is horrible. My boss is cheap, ungrateful, and mean. He only complains and show no appreciation and is looking for anyway to save money. Last week he was telling me that I don't get paid for the hour at work when I'm doing prep or cleaning (I work in a restaurant). I told him that if I'm here, and I'm working, I get paid. Next he tried to threaten my job (which isn't uncommon for the employees), so I quit and walked out. Didn't even get to my car before he ran out to stop me from leaving. Now, he has to pay me. 50¢ more an hour 😅. Hopefully I won't be there by next month.
Do stand for that s**t. That's why I left working kitchens after 12 years. F**k them
Load More Replies...I was arbitrarily moved from a department I'd been at for nearly 8 years and was crushing it in to a completely new place with completely different duties. No compensation for the move. I tried but after two months the new environment was too much for my bipolar to deal with and i had a breakdown. I had mentioned it before to management but they didn't care. I ended up losing my job. Right to work is bullsh!t
Yes. And now you know it too. You might be worth even more to some one else.
People need to realize that you don’t have anything to loose when your working for 9$ an hr. You can literally find a job that pays more anywhere else. Why stay somewhere shitty for s**t pay?
Kudos for you for leaving. These days all l am hearing from these miserly emploers is that no one wants to work! Um no, its not that people don't want to work, its that they don't wamt to work for slave wages!!!
That's how it works - don't like your wages, take your learned skills and look elsewhere!
I keep telling people. Get up go to work, be on time leave on time. Be decent/ good at what your specific job is. Do no "take one for the team" unless you are able to do so without discomfort and if you are helping a colleague who is likely to help back.
Your real life and friends take priority always.
When my son gets old enough to join the job market, my first advice to him will be "do not do more than others. They'll just pile more on you."
It's the achievers that always get the work, because they ARE achievers. Doesn't mean you should be average, but know what you are worth and always evaluate where you are in that calculus.
Load More Replies...Great advice. I worked for Starbucks for 2.5 years doing shipping and receiving in chicago. Was dedicated and committed to doing a great job. I suffered a stroke otj, was immediately forced out by my old boss, written up claiming everything she could think of, had to put up with major incompetence, training coworkers who could not do basic arithmetic, no company support at all. To Amina Fanning of vegamour 🖕
Learned that the hard way. And now we struggle to pay bills, after all my "taking one for team" non-compensation. Don't believe the working hype-b******t. Do your job well, but know your worth (but don't be delusional, either - you don't make CEO pay fresh out of school) - and go somewhere else if the current place won't pay it.
Unless they show you what your worth look for something better, than leave once you put in your notice in. They rarely keep you on for the two weeks, normally your walked out by security within an hour of you giving them your notice. The best I've heard was from my dad who said that Tyson foods stating that if they found out you where looking for a new job that was grounds for immediate termination. He was warned by his boss who was also looking to jump ship because Tyson foods wouldn't allow the changes to that the plant needed. Which is why the company brought them in to do. My dad worked 80 to 100 hours a week for them and they refused to allow him to make the changes they brought him in to make. It was sold off not long after most of the upper management left.
working is part of life, which I assume is real. and friends, real friends do actually exist and can develop from your place of employment. settle down...
He wasn't freaking out ... Calmly reciting good advice. Your "good friend" at work still worries about his job more than you. Enjoy your delusion...
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I worked at a NYC style pizza place in the small suburban town I grew up in. When it was bought back by the original owner he belittled my 4 year degree after I JUST graduated, the same degree his daughter said she wanted to pursue, and asked me to deep clean a deep fryer w/o eye protection or skin protection. I read the label on the junk I was handed to use and it was a big fat OSHA violation to NOT HAVE SKIN PROTECTION. I asked if gloves or safety glasses were available. I was told no, so I left and never looked back.
A friend of mine worked at McD’s way back when he as a teen and the idiot manager told him to transfer the still hot oil into buckets I guess so they could clean the deep fryer. Well the oil melted through the the bucket and he was badly burned. There are safety protocols for obvious reasons and if someone is wanting to skirt them, run away. That job ain’t worth it.
Good!!! How dare he put your health in danger like that. Sounds to me like he was jealous of your success
The idea that valuable employees are taken advantage of is not new. In 2015, Stanford Business published a piece titled “Why Companies No Longer Reward Loyal Employees” featuring insight from Stanford Graduate School of Business professor Jeffrey Pfeffer. He notes that in our regular lives, we make agreements with one another all the time and we understand how to reciprocate treatment. At work, however, these social expectations seem to fly out the window. “Implicit contracts are violated in the corporate world on a daily basis,” says Pfeffer. “Workplaces not only fail to acknowledge past employee loyalty and contributions, but they also renege on what has been implicitly or explicitly promised, such as pensions and retiree health care.”
When I worked at McDonald’s in 2018 I was hired on at 7.25 an hour, I got really good at the job really fast, was one of the fastest order takers and McCafé makers and eventually they let me learn grill too. After 13 months working there I got 2 raises and was now making $7.70 lmfao. I found out that the owners wife was doing interviews and hiring new people on at $8 an hour. So I was training new people who were making more than me after I’d already had 2 raises just because they were hired by someone different than me. Eventually they made me crew trainer which would’ve upped my pay to $8 an hour and they had me working the position for months and never gave me the raise so I quit. Now at my new job I make $18.50 an hour
This is kind of like any relationship, isn't it? Don't expect the other (boss or partner) to have your best interests in mind if you're not prepared to state your expectations? And we can't settle (in either).
That exactly happened to my boyfriend. Different people giving raises then the Supervisor is making less than cooks w/o knowing. Idiot suck up cooks that blow off wok, at that!
Good to remember that just because a place says they starts new folks at $X doesn't mean that everyone working there makes that or more, often less
I was SGA for Gamestop which meant I was third in charge on the leadership scale for the store. I was making around 11 bucks an hour to run the store when the other 2 were gone. Minimum wage got raised to 10 bucks so everyone below that was boosted up while people above stayed the same. Now all of a sudden I'm making only a dollar more than some noobie off the street. I left that s**t hole
I took a university job to advance my career. The position wasn't approved but I was overly enthusiastic and did the work regardless. I did this for 2 years; took the department to the next level of division 1. My boss and I agreed to have the conversation about permanent employment at the end of one summer after I took 4 athletes to the Olympic games. My boss had advocated for the position to be full time and we finally had the talk; he had offered the job to someone else and expected me to continue my "unpaid" position indefinitely because it was "good for the university." I left on the spot and never worked in the field again.
Never ever ever ever give even the slightest of f*cks about your job.
Colleges are famously exploitative and sociopathic when it comes to their athletic programs.
And academic. Graduate students are frequently used as full-time professors but are paid a pittance.
Load More Replies...Well, why should he pay you? You’ve already shown that you’ll do it for free.
For..TWO..years! My gods that's some level of masochism I didn't know existed
Load More Replies...You have no one to blame but yourself for taking a unpaid job to begin with. That’s not a thing and you should never agree to that thinking it will turn into a thing.
Your boss was a POS. Maybe he should work for free because its good for the university too!
Wrong. So wrong. Find the work you love, and expect to be fairly recompensed. Standing up for ourselves is part of the deal.
Was in the hospitality industry. Spent 7 years being groomed to take over a coveted position upon the retirement of my immediate supervisor. Just before the time came the manager had an assistant forced upon her whom she wanted nothing to do with. He knew nothing about the job I'd been groomed for but to keep her job security she demoted him to the position I'd been promised. Needless to say he and I both quit the day.
University jobs are s**t. I worked nearly 15 years there and had always contracts for 1-6 months while they got the budget for the whole year already. They never make contracts for full time because a lot of them expect that the employees work full time on a part time contract without compensation. One time, a professor gave a big angry talk how it was not ok that student assistants get paid vacation or sick time although that is the law. She said that would make research expensive although she raked in more than all the student assistants together and had the job for life. Afterwards, she said she would throw a pizza party for the student assistants at Christmas. I did not show up as I think that employers should do what is lawful and stick their cheap presents to booster motivation and their repute where the sun does not shine.
I worked somewhere similar and the owner stopped coming in to the shop, except to drop off groceries. I was the only cook during shifts with one dishwasher and I only made 13.50 an hour in a very high priced state....when I knew I had to quit for my kids' and husband's school schedules, I gave her TWO MONTHS notice... find someone to replace me and I'll step down after training before my notice was over. She started snubbing me in the restaurant so I ditched out. Good luck with finding someone before the 2 months are over
That was too generous. Not even doctors or clinical directors are required to give two months notice. She did not deserve you.
Ohh, THAT depends on where you live! A high positioned doc has 6 mth to a year in Switzerland. Depending on the years they worked there (and the position). We usually have 3 mth for every working person above 2 years.
Load More Replies...Just shows how undervalued good workers are. My boss was the same I always came in early and 96% of the time was the last to leave. Rarely if ever took time off yet one day after being there for 18 months I was a few minutes late and she ranted at me. So from then on I arrived at my allotted time for starting work and left on the button at the end of my shift. She knew I was pissed at her and her husband offered me a raise as he knew I was her best worker but I left after that.
A few minutes late?How lazy😲.Just kidding,hope you went somewhere you were actually appreciated.
Load More Replies...Pfeffer worked with doctoral student Peter Belmi on several studies investigating why people feel less obligated to reciprocate favors in a work environment than they do in their personal lives. What they found, Pfeffer says, is that, “People operating in organizations generally have a business mind-set, which is more calculative and oriented toward the foreseeable future. They tend to make decisions that maximize the benefits to them personally while minimizing the cost.” The studies also showed that participants were strategic about who they would offer help to, noting that if someone could be valuable to them in the future they were more likely to receive a favor. The participants even said that they tend to question the motives behind workplace favors in the first place, so they don’t feel obligated to reciprocate if the original intention wasn’t genuine.
On the other hand, these studies found that when we receive personal favors, we want to reciprocate them without considering how useful the person can be to us in the future. We simply understand that it’s the right thing to do. “But we found almost the exact opposite in an organizational context,” Pfeffer says. “There, it’s all about calculations. If we don’t feel repaying the favor will benefit us much in the future, we won’t do it. That calculative, future-oriented mind-set means we shouldn’t expect companies to be as strongly bound by moral norms.”
My wife got a job at DVF a few years ago. She was top sales in her store, district, state, and region within her first 3 month. She continued to just kill it quarter after quarter.
She got a new coworker and was training him (she liked him as a person but said he was a terrible employee who could barely follow simple instructions.) She gave him a ride home and learned that he was make 3.50 more an hour since hire compared to what she was currently making (before commission)
She called her boss right after dropping him off, quit on the spot and mailed the key back into corporate. They blew up her phone for 3 days offering her more money, store management, better scheduled etc. She told them straight up she isn't an after though.
Good for her. She didn't get the benefit of it but I bet the next woman will. She is a true feminist.
With sales skills that good you can easily take your self anywhere else and be successful. What she should of done is demanded she get paid retroactively the 3.50$ since the day she was hired, except if I was her I would of demanded 5$ since she had negotiating power over her performance. Part of the problem is that women are way too agreeable in the work place, instead of asking they will wait to be promoted or recognized. Which incidentally never happens, because why would someone give you more money when they know you’ll do the job for less? Start being disagreeable and you’ll see what happens.
All employers try to pay as little as possible to get a given job done, they don't stay in business by paying through the nose for every employee. Gender played no part in it. If you discovered you could make more, that you're more valuable to them than they're paying, ask for it. Demand it. If they don't pay, and you can get more elsewhere, leave and get it. If they concede and pay you more, take it. Don't ever expect a for-profit business to offer you more out of the goodness of their heart. You're there for you, they're there for them. It's called a job. It was stupid for you to leave when they offered you more immediately, you failed the negotiation.
Actually and literally all the top tier companies do exactly that(purposefully pay more). It's how they retain talent... The other 89% don't... They also tend to behave more along the long term goals rather than 1st quarter returns... Which is why so many businesses fail...
Load More Replies..."She isnt an after-thought" as in, they should have considered raising her wages BEFORE losing her.
Load More Replies...I worked at a coffee shop and I loved it. It was terrible pay, but the work was something fun. I loved making coffees, loved the food prep, loved the customer service. I'm not a morning person, but I even loved the 6am shift. They gave me a promotion about a month in. On my first day as a shift supervisor, I got the safe codes and learned the opening procedures. The next day, I was pulled aside and told that $300 was missing from the deposit, and that I was the most likely suspect because I just got the safe codes. I, of course, was gutted and furious. Either they thought I was incredibly stupid, or that I was so unprinicipled that the second I could get my hands on money I ran with it. As it turns out? The day I learned the safe codes, etc, a woman accidentally dropped her large coffee on the sales counter and fried one of the debit terminals. I remember it happening, but had been told cash was missing, so never put two and two together. But they would have been able to see that the cash balanced, and it was the debit totals that were out. And they didn't bother to say a word to me. I stayed just long enough to get a new job, and left without notice. As**oles. Like I'd risk my reputation and clean criminal record for $300 on the very first day I got a promotion.
I worked in an awful Gamestop store that was robbed multiple times in the past (at gun point). I had thing stolen from me on my shift a few times. I tried to be vigilant but I'd get written up for staying behind the counter (protecting the goods) as well as written up for talking to people on the sales floor (in which others would sneak behind the counter and steal things). It was a lose lose job
I worked at a chocolatier on Evans St in the DU neighborhood. The owner came in, took $100 out of the drawer for change, came back later and checked in $50, then freaked out on me because the drawer was $50 short and she didn't remember taking the money out to get change. After yelling at me for 10 minutes, her apprentice came out and said, remember... you went to get change... remember... you held out $50 for the event tonight... I felt slightly vindicated, and then she fired me - said she couldn't trust me. What a f*****g witch...
Bank teller fresh out of training. We processed the night drop bags from businesses before opening. My very first bag was from Taco Bell and the deposit short $900, no $20’s. The entire bank branch was counted, every teller’s drawer and the main safe by hand. Turns out it was a Taco Bell employee who stole the money. There was definitely a lot of tension in the air and looks. Just like OP…risk my job/rep/clean record on my first day?
What they did was bad Karma. But you calling them "As**oles" is just as bad.
I was a volunteer at a child care place for 2 weeks of a summer camp they were having. It was through my local Masonic organization called Rainbow for girls. Someone asked my to look for some tempura paint, So i looked in some cupboards and found it for them. Later that afternoon I was summarily accused of stealing $300 from an adults purse. They said they'd seen me rifling through cupboards earlier in the day. Man, my pride was deeply wounded. I was an honorable kid who never got into trouble and to be accused like that was just awful. My folks stood up for me.. and a few months later they showed up on my porch and nearly gave me an anxiety attack. They were there to apologize... They found the money later in a zippered pocket in her purse. A**Holes.
I was working as a manager while also tattooing and at the beginning of my day I did my books since I wasn't there the day before and I see that $300 is missing. I immediately call the owner and give him all the info and yada yada. Then I spend the rest of my day doing appointments and working my butt off. Evening comes around and the co owner (a kid who had family money and wanted to be a tattoo artist so the other owner and opened a second location) asks about the money and I tell him everything I know and go over all who worked the day before and blah blah blah. He then meekly tells me I'm the one who stole it and I'm fired. I pack up my s**t furious and leave telling him I'll be back for my pay of todays tattoos I did on credit card. Later im nicely told that if I came back for the money I was owed I would have my face smashed into the concrete and girls don't look pretty with no teeth. So I was fired for $300 nd robbed of $1000.
I later found out the owners buddy that was living with him stole the money. Why I didn't go to the police for the threat? I don't know. I was stupid, scared, young and stupid.
Load More Replies...Technically, no. Its "Innocent until proven guilty", and if what's written is true, the management is really f*****g stupid to not see the issue.
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I used to believe that if you scratch their back, they scratch yours. We asked for a price hike for years, and we went above and beyond for our flooring outfit we subcontract from. "There's just not enough in the overhead" was the track stuck on repeat. Still. Above and beyond. Scratch their back. They WILL scratch ours.
Then I found out that the owner of the company goes golfing 4 times a week, minimum.
Now I do what I HAVE to. Not what I CAN do.
Don't know why got downvoted for telling op they're right and golf; as in op should take their extra energy and do something they enjoy even possible to do it so jerks see why not making extra unappreciated effort
Load More Replies...My brother used to be golfing buddies with Michael Dell, of Dell computer fame. Dell kept promising him raises and promotions, if he'd just do This. My brother does This. Great, now he'll get the raise/promotion if he just does That, instead. My brother does That. They're golfing again, and my brother says, "I've done everything you asked me to do. Still no raise, still no promotion. Any idea when that's gonna happen?" Dell laughed in his face and said, "Things are tough all over, pal. Just be patient." My brother immediately found a better job, paying him significantly more money. Never looked back.
I have to admit I still would get pissed at my old boss when he would take off on a nice day to golf. (Mostly because I would need his 'ok' on something ) But I remember how he spent 30 years building his company day and night, never seeing his family or going on vacation.... it's all he's got now ⛳️
Pfeffer went on to note that this calculative culture creates a vicious cycle. Employees that don’t trust their employers to follow through with promises are more likely to quit, and people who believe they have been treated unfairly are more likely to channel their resentment in how they treat others. Pfeffer says that it would benefit everyone for companies to begin placing greater value on morality and ethics. “Research shows that when people believe implicit agreements have been violated, they are more likely to be dissatisfied, less engaged, less committed to work, and less productive,” he says. “There are hard consequences to breaching these norms, and yet we breach them all the time.”
My mom had the same thing when she was younger, but didn't get fired. She quit her job. After a couple of months, they asked if she wanted to come back and have a raise. She ended up asking for even more money than they offered and they accepted. She also asked for her own department and got it and it is now the most profitable department of the company. And she is a total bada*s.
Now THIS is what feminism is all about (although any person of any gender can stand up for themselves, and should).
What’s sad is that $1 an hour raise is only about $100 a month after taxes.
So many places losing people because they won’t pay 1, 2 or 3 hundred dollars more a month to keep them. Like the company won’t make that up in the next 20 minutes.
My wife used to work for a vet clinic where she handled the finances for them and they only payed her $14 an hour.
They make $20k a DAY and refused her a raise of $100 a month. She no longer works there. She gave them her life. She came in 6 days a week, 8 hours a day for 3 days of the week and 12 hours a day the rest and they lost her over $100 a month.
What kind of car did the vet drive? I saw a Lamborghini in a vet's parking spot once and a bunch of beaten up cars in the rest of the employee parking so I stopped going there.
Try working in a dental office- New cars & high dollar motorcycles every 2 yrs or so while staff needs public assistance to make it. Under 8 employees? They don't have to provide medical ins. Get sick? Need surgery? Time off? Dr Wonderful isn't required to offer sick leave/ vacation pay. NEVER work for small business became my mantra.
Load More Replies...Companies have to take pride in paying above average. We need a culture where managers, bosses and those in general would be ashamed to have a single person working on minimum wage, let alone below! We need them to take into account that their role is not only to provide maximum revenue for their shareholders, but also their role is spreading wealth among their workers, which, would every company do that, not put them anywhere behind, neither would be a loss in the first place due to effects on motivation, honesty and effort thrown in, but a win-win for everyone but greedy suckers who squeeze out the employees, and then after ending up losing the better ones squeeze the sad remains of the company and move on to destroy another one, filling their wallet on the crusade for widespread poverty. These people need to be ashamed of their greed and their inability to withstand it.
We had that. It was the fifties sixties and early seventies. Than companies were allowed to lobby to change that and theyve been tricking ppl on both sides of the political spectrum for about half a century now...
Load More Replies...There are definitely a*****e vets out there. But dont forget most vets (especially in the US) have eye-wateringly high student debts, they spent 8 years getting a degree instead of earning money and having a life, they need to buy all of the same equipment that a small human hospital would, many work on-call in addition to their 60+ hours a week work and they have to spend their days being yelled at by people who don’t want to pay to have their animal treated for things that could have been avoided if they’d been responsible pet owners. It is NOT a cushy money-making career at all.
Preach. I'm a vet tech. "My wallet is always empty but my heart is always full" is only half true, and I'll let you figure out which part. But it's usually the corporate clinics that truly screw us over... and they ain't paying the veterinarians more. It's the corporate lackies that get the majority of the profit, off the sweat, blood, and tears of the actual veterinary staff. Private practices can be hit or miss, but I've had INFINITELY more luck with them. Veterinarians are the least appreciated, lowest income-to-education-cost, and the highest at-risk for suicide. Think about it - when's the last time you stopped to give your veterinarian a GOOD Google review? We almost only ever hear when people aren't happy with us. I could *easily* drop this job and make twice as much in human medicine. In this job? I'm a phlebotomist, midwife, orderly, kennel hand, janitor, dental hygienist, xray tech, mortician, surgical tech, receptionist and file clerk.
Load More Replies...Yeah, I was promised a 50-cent raise after a few months at a small town newspaper. It equaled $20 extra a week. Denied. I padded my mileage expenses after that to get the extra $20. Paper's now on its last legs.
Employers don’t really care about their employees. It’s an awful lesson to learn when you give your soul and you think you will actually be appreciated and properly compensated for your extra efforts.
They take in $20000a day or they make $20000? Because there's a big difference…
Made 20k per day? Or profited 20k per day? Vast differences there. In a really good week, I'll bring in about 1k per day. But I'd estimate only about $100 is profit and I have to split that between living and saving.
Your overhead is 90% of your takeaway? May I suggest a remedial course in economics. Try 20% mark up ....or stop whatever "business" you operate...
Load More Replies...This happened to me also! I worked at a bakery, was told I had to work at least one, if not two weekend shifts every weekend because I was the only one that could do it and was threatened to not be rostered any hours if not - and I did it dutifully, would stay back to clean the bakery after work when everyone had gone home and start all of the crazy morning shifts as well! I later found out that literally everyone else got paid more than me and penalty rates on weekends (I didn’t) which is why they insisted on me coming in! When I asked to have more convientent shifts or also be paid penalty, the owner baker got really defensive, turning it back on me for taking home the day old bread (literally everyone did, and it goes in the bin otherwise) saying « I only make 10cents in the dollar for every loaf we sell » in order to guilt trip me
Hope they called the labor board (or whatever agency enforces the area's laws for working penalty/overtime hours)
Load More Replies...So what did you do?? Did u quit? Did you report him cauae l am pretty sure he legally has to pay penalty.
She means extra rates for working weekends and holiday days…
Load More Replies...While many companies demand loyalty from their employees, unfortunately, the Covid-19 pandemic made it clear that those corporations don’t hold themselves to the same standards. In March of 2020, a string of powerful CEOs made public statements declaring that their employees did not need to worry about job security within the pandemic. The list of companies promising their employees were safe included Morgan Stanley, Salesforce, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank and Visa. However, over the next 7 months, many of those companies changed their stance on layoffs. By October 2020, Citigroup continued a layoff of 1% of their employees that had paused during the pandemic, and Goldman Sachs got to work eliminating 400 jobs. Wells Fargo also announced plans to cut thousands of jobs, along with Deutsche Bank and Salesforce.
This happened to me. I started when the company had only two clients. When I started working, the turnaround time for the sample processing was less than 24 hours, because I was more than willing to do over time and come in at odd hours throughout the day to make sure the samples were received. Because of the quick turnaround time, we were able to secure more clients. I then Asked for a raise. And then suddenly I was being “terminated” for unprofessional behavior and not doing tests according to SOPs… which I WROTE. After that, I haven’t volunteered at any of my jobs to do extra stuff. If you want me to do more stuff, then you gotta pay me more.
This sounds like a medical laboratory. A shady one at that...I hope I never end up working there
It’s a lot like being in IT lol. Learn everything do work above your position no raises, no promotions. The best option is always leave and go elsewhere take your new skills and get a better job.
It's true. Most will not pay you.more if you stay and they don't have to pay more. You can ask and if they say no, leave. You will be valued somewhere else.
Exactly. Companies are going to look after themselves first and foremost, so we gotta look after ourselves first too :)
Load More Replies...I've lost count of the number of times I've seen people quit their IT jobs because of no raises and no advancement, and then get hired back for a lot more money, or paid several times their old salary as a consultant. The destructive, stupid short-sightedness of management never fails to amaze.
We work, we learn, we get good experience. If our current employeer doesn't recognize our increased / increasing value (having proved that we can learn and improve) by paying us more, the ball is in our court: we can take all that experience and knowledge to the next employer. Our choice. Fact of life. Nothing to get snarky or upset about.
Years ago I worked for Cadbury Adams , I did the job that every shift needed 2 people to do ! I was killing it ! So after 3 months I asked to be hired on full time , they said they couldn't hire at the moment, so I quit ! Coworker called me 2 weeks later telling me they had to hire 2 People to do what I did ! Moral of the story, know your worth , never settle and always work hard even if they don't appreciate you , that way when you leave , they f*cking wish they had done everything to keep you !
I worked very hard at my job working at a small private school. One year I asked for a very small raise and a change of title for my job. I wanted my title switched from Administrative Assistant to Assistant Administrator. This would much more accurately reflect my level of work -I have an education degree and although I did do some of the secretarial work I did a heck of a lot more as well. I got the small raise (everyone did) but not the title change. So I finished that school year and moved on. I hired someone to replace me and they quit 2 weeks after I left saying the expected work load was just too much. My now former boss calls me up and asks if I will come train another person as that one walked out. So I came back for a week at a high consultant rate and trained another person. I found out 3 months later that they hired an additional 2 more people to do everything. It took 3 people to do the job I did alone. I think they realized a job title change would have been a lot easier
You know you are valuable when the boss won't give you even a little time off. They might have to do your job!
This happened with me. I did about 4 people's worth of work at my job, and all I wanted were my mandatory breaks. I never got them, and when they started treating my male coworker like a little king, even though he was the laziest idiot I've known, and the new girl they'd hired and I were busting our asses every day I put in my two weeks. They started floundering then, got on a ton of new hires, and since 3 others were quitting at the same time, upper management was getting very...suspicious about the drama that was going on between the two managers there. After like 6 months of s**t happening. I'm glad I left.
The significant number of layoffs during the pandemic are an upsetting reminder that employees cannot trust corporations to look out for them. Concerns have also been raised about these ruthless corporations beginning to replace as many jobs as possible with robots and AI workers. While that prediction sounds like the plot of a dystopian novel, it’s not an impossible future. Some companies have already allocated funds towards robotics and artificial intelligence, and Amazon even has robots working in their warehouses. Former Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang is particularly concerned about the future of American jobs, when companies are showing their true colors already. Yang is advocating for Universal Basic Income to be paid to Americans to ensure that, if they can’t have job security, the government will at least provide enough help to get by.
I was working in a nursing home in which the boss's daughter and the daughter's best friend both got hired for $6 more per hour than even their most experienced and senior staff. When I found out I asked for a raise, got told if I want to make $X then I need to go work the other side of the building and sign up for over-time. (Other side of the building is about twice as much work and has grueling back-breaking lifting with mandatory stay-over if the next shift calls out.)
I ended up quitting, I'd like to think I was one of their better workers, so hopefully they regret losing me. I did get a call from the administrator on behalf of the CEO that they were going to look into the situation and see if they can get me back, but that was 4 days ago, so who knows if they'll come back with a counter offer or not.
I think that place is toxic. Even if they do come back with an offer, you have some time now to look for another job.
Exactly, obviously they didn't care about her beforehand, so it's not likely that their new deal is much better
Load More Replies...Almost all nursing homes these days are supposed to be "no-lift" - because that saves them big bucks on insurance. But in reality most of these places have only 1 or 2 lifts available in the whole building and expect you to be able to get 25 patients up, dressed, and moved in less than an hour. If you're using the lifts there's no way you'll make it. You can only do it by using your own muscles and back. Inevitably a lot of employees end up with life-long injuries. I think these places only survive because their employees are too poor or unaware to hire lawyers.
Yeah my job doesnt give raise to part time employees apparently. Even if we work extra hours. Sucks.
I was working in a law firm and knew I was the lowest paid employee because that was just my rank. But then a project came and I was hand picked to work on it alongside a partner. It was urgent, so I had to drop all of my other work/push deadlines back. I came through. Firm got a big payout and everyone received windfall, down to non-legal staff. Twice the monthly pay for everyone. Great! Except I didn’t get anything on top of that bonus. I worked my a*s to get the same bonus as everyone else. People who literally never touched the file got more money than I did. I confronted the partner about it and he said, didn’t I get a bonus? That was the moment I decided that clown wasn’t worth my efforts and I was never coming through as clutch for him again. I resigned a few months later. I now get paid twice more than what they were paying me, for less stress and less work on my part. That partner has asked for some files here and there, and had it been any other partner, I would’ve combed through my personal copies of files to see if I could track it down. Nope. I left a USB with my old secretary, go ask her. I send gifts to friends who are still at the firm (both legal and non-legal staff, all the partners I’ve worked with) every Christmas. I leave him out every time.
We all hope he notices it but aren't holding our collective breath.
I remember reading about a junior lawyer who got hired at a law firm, specifically to work under one of their senior partners. Senior Partner tells Junior Attorney that there's this big project that has to be filed no later than Friday (this was Monday), so that it'd be on the docket for the following Monday. JA busts their behind to get everything done--staying late, coming in early, working over the weekend. Monday rolls around and, guess what, JA checks the docket and the papers haven't been filed with the court. JA asks SP why not. SP smirks, and admits that the "urgent" paperwork didn't need to be filed for at least another month. "But I did you a favor! You're a junior attorney! You have to learn that the entire legal system is one big deadline, and you have to learn to constantly think on your feet and work under pressure! The sooner you learn that 100 hour weeks are commonplace in the legal profession, the happier we'll both be!" (Part 1)
JA stayed with the firm, but asked to be paired with a different partner--and told the head lawyer why. Head Lawyer rolled his eyes and granted JA's request, with apologies.
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I’m going through the same thing! I’ve worked at this small business for almost 5-6 months and I like it for the most part. Pay is pretty poor ($14/hr in Las Vegas) but not the worst. This week my boss put a job posting on Indeed offering $15/hr. I’m confronting him about it today and if I’m denied a raise then I’m walking.
There will always be employees who are a bit more concerned about punctuality and deadlines than others, but it’s important for employers to boost motivation among their staff and acknowledge those who are giving 100%. Positive reinforcement is proven to be more effective than punishment, and it creates a more pleasant work environment. Offering incentives like bonuses, gift cards and additional vacation days are great ways to boost productivity and morale.
In 2006, one Sears department store was having trouble getting customers to sign up for the store’s credit card, so they took the approach of offering employees bonuses in their paychecks for each credit card they registered. Every 90 days, the employee who had submitted the most credit card applications was also rewarded with a gift card. It didn’t take long for the store to activate more credit cards than any other Sears in the state, and employees were able to benefit from the increased paychecks.
Stuff like that happens at a smaller scale almost routinely. People fresh out of high school or college will start a job and have a lot of pep in their step giving a lot of effort and eventually something will happen where they don't feel appreciated and then they figure "why give extra effort or care when everyone else doesn't" ...
It's sad because that is the time they have most energy to really grow and develop in their careers.
The best way to destroy a good employee is the acceptance of a bad one.
Fresh out of college or high school means we're on a steep learning curve. Out of school doesn't mean we don't stop learning, but now we're being paid (even when we're not necessarily that great at the job)! "Appreciation" isn't part of the pay packet. Suck it up.
Life lesson. Capitalism can be just like Communism (as far as labor/slaves are concerned) if the capitalist does not look out for their own (and coworkers) self interest. 🤔
Ahhahaha what capitalist on earth ever in history... Didn't think of himself first? Howard Hughes maybe? But that's because he had severe mental disease...
Load More Replies...I would still have the pep despite lower performing coworkers because at least that will set you apart.
But these newbies know Jack and have to double time it to keep up. Grow up.
Got hired for 1 specific job title.. then when word got out about my resume that i had actually gone to school for something different, they asked if i would be willing to do BOTH things for them. Meaning not only will I do what i was hired to do.. but also help them with development on projects in line with what I took in school. When I said. OF course.. I then sent an email to the COO and CEO about possibly a raise since i would be doing both things. anyways, the next day the COO told me "I'm not a good fit" lol
"you're not a good fit" or in English, "you ask for money and we don't like that"
Love the fact you went in with expectations of fair recompense!
I was doing a LOT of work for healthcare network including setting up a LASIK network. I asked for a SUBSTANITAL raise and the boss said I didn't do enough to justify a raise. I told him I did this and that and the other AND I write the organizations monthly newsletter. He said 'You do not! *I* write the newsletter!' My reply was this: 'Not only do I write the newsletter, I write *YOUR* column in newletter. He hired two people do what I was doing for the LASIK network and paid them a total of $100k.
You deserved to get sacked, never demand something directly from a COO and CEO. Should of went thru the proper channels
Being over qualified is very real. Hire someone who is settling for a job beneath their qualifications and they'll b***h about EVERYTHING. Cut 'em loose as soon as possible.
Worked for a bakery owned by crazy neurotic Christians, Found out that they were giving 'incentives' to poor performing employees at the end of each week for hitting certain thresholds that I was already hitting. The incentive was $20. We worked the same hours.
They were literally getting paid more to be worse at their job than me. Absolutely stupid. Capitalism is stupid. I hate it here.
I bet it was a bonus for attending whatever religious service they wanted the employees to go too
Local evangelical church here will pay for you to attend events if you sit through Parking lot church. But maaaaaan do the NOT let you leave
Load More Replies...As I often have to remind my team, “employees shouldn’t get extra incentives for just doing the basic bare minimum s**t they’re expected to do in the job description - that’s what a paycheque is for.” The employees who perform well and exceed expectations should always get a lil extra monetary compensation for it - the ones who aren’t so great should get some mentoring time to find out why and, if they’re really not going to work out, let them go. Also: they should all be being paid fairly to begin with.
My work (hotel) does something similar but better. If you're not late for work all month you get entered in a drawing for a $25 gift card. We also do a separate drawing where you get 1 entry per 5 star review where you either checked them in, checked them out, or were directly mentioned.
Perhaps you'll find a godless communist dictatorship where you can be a happy little proletariat. I wish you well.
Don't worry the only religion with an increasing user base is "atheism" the non religion... You're a dying breed my friend. No sky pixies six generations from now probably worldwide. Suck it up buttercup...
Load More Replies...You ppl have been saying that for two thousand years since you claimed the son of God with the name of "John Smith" at the time(Jesus) was your boiy... Nothing in the Bible matches archeological record. Grow the hell up...
Load More Replies...You're an idiot. Your mother is an idiot. Your pet goldfish is an idiot. That goddamn greasy a** hamburger you're F*@$ing your idiot face with is an idiot. I hope you get herpes in your butt, which also is an idiot.. bunghole..
Load More Replies...There are a few factors for companies to keep in mind when it comes to positive reinforcement tactics. According to Manley Feinberg, a business speaker and author, in an article for Entrepreneur, “Momentum is the real key to success with any positive motivation program, and momentum is driven by consistency. Consistently recognize and reward the behaviors and results you want. Also, beware that when you accept, tolerate or otherwise allow behaviors you don’t want, you are rewarding those as well by continuing to employ and compensate the employee.”
Staying future oriented is also important for positive reinforcement. Employees must understand the long-term goals to stay motivated in their daily tasks, and they have to be able to see advancements in their own futures. When promotions and raises seem like they’re on the horizon, employees have a reason to work harder.
I once worked at a place and got the highest sales every month even though I often took off because of major depression. Instead of praising me, my bosses made my colleagues hate me by saying stuff like, 'Animefaerie is off sick all the time and still makes higher sales than you.' Made the workplace rather toxic.
That’s says a lot more about your coworkers performance then yours.
I recently worked in a kitchen where everyone was making s**t wages. The owner didn't want to spend money on anything because he was in his 80s and planned on dying soon. The equipment was crappy and old. I asked about 2 things to be replaced because they were unsafe. A food warmer, that had shocked a few employees and had actually caught fire once was one of the items. the other, a steam table which had so much lime build up on it and rusted out basins under the heating elements. I originally put in my notice mostly in an attempt to bribe them into paying me more and replace those 2 items in particular. I was the most experienced cook at the place and the head chef was routinely absent due to post-covid complications (he wears a pace maker now at 38 years old) so I was called on to do multiple chef-like things. I was almost immediately offered more money and promised the equipment would be replaced, since they were so short staffed. I pushed for raises for the other cooks as well
A “mom n pop” coffee shop tried to do something similar to me. Went in for my first day of training, knocked it out of the park! My second day, the guy who was training me ghosted and did not show up. I had to call the owners at 4am because I could not get into the store. We worked our butts off getting everything ready for the morning. I thought I did amazing. When the wife gave me an official offer letter I asked if I would be getting additional compensation for working an undesirable shift. They ghosted me completely and I had to chase them for my check for training. They kept saying they sent it via direct deposit and I explained to them how that is literally impossible because in my new hire paperwork I selected “paid by check” and did not enter in any bank details.
Finally was able to get the check that I had to go get from the store. I told the employees there what happened and they were like, yeah, not surprised, this place is terrible.
In almost every state, yes. You can do it If it’s in writing (at least in Virginia, where I am), but only for things like unreturned company property or if you’ve allowed them to have a negative PTO balance, you can deduct that. But, again, only if it’s in some official company paperwork they signed (offer letter, handbook, etc.)
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Reminds me of the time I was doing work study tutoring at my college and I found out that my coworkers were making almost double than me hourly. Asked for a raise was denied and never went back lol.
Can relate. I recently quit my job in university research after I realized that my co-workers not only made 3x more than me, got bonuses, got they health insurance partly paid (as one would think is always the case in Germany - it isn't). Quit the job, started a new one, got a raise, 12 more vacation days, an employer that pays their share. Still academia, but different (private) university. Sometimes I really don't get why federal employers get away with sh*t like that.
Were you enrolled in a graduate school as apposed to a regular research assistant contract with the university? Those are essentially a scam to save money. The department I worked at, was one of the good guys, and they gave those poor souls additional contracts for TA work (which everyone had to do anyways) to supplement their income and get them into the regular health and social insurance schemes.
Load More Replies...Work study is a whole different animal. At least at the University I'm familiar with. They pay what they can based on how many people sign up and how many funds they have. You have multiple people hired by different depts doing completely unrelated tasks making the same amount of money just because: work study.
While no employee should feel that their skills aren’t being valued at work, it should not fall on their shoulders to improve the way a company is run. Employers should constantly be looking for ways to improve morale and ensure that employees are motivated to do their best. With more and more workers calling out their bosses online, we can only hope that employers are paying attention and changing their ways. Enjoy reading the rest of these stories, and don’t forget to upvote the responses that you found the most upsetting. Then let us know in the comments if you have any stories to share of employers that tried to exploit your skills, we’d love to hear how you reacted!
My girlfriend which is an adorable short and cute woman was literary the best barista on her well known branded coffee place/take away. She would make the best coffee I would ever drink in that or any other same brand place. She really loved her job, I would go there sometimes to enjoy a capuccino that wasn’t burned or felt like drinking ashes. She would do extra cleaning duties, always smile and cover shifts. Then there was the other girl. Tall big boobs, pretty sexy woman. Sh**ty coffee almost always late, almost always on a hangover, she did cover shifts too but also caused a lot of her shifts to be covered because she was drunk. That girl which started a month after her was taking 20% more hourly than my gf, doing less work, offering worst service and being a pain to other employees that had to almost always wait. As a customer watching her hangover face was disturbing every time. After 1 year the boss decided to sell the place. The drunk one got promoted to manager of the place and my gf got laid off a month prior to the sale for asking equal pay to others after being there for a full year and doing such a good job. So yeah these sh*t exist and are not made up. Communication skills, attractiveness and stuff like that get you better pay with less work done.
This is true people treat you differently based on looks/ weight esp women
Height plays into it too. Being 6 foot, I can tell you, many people find me scary. There's a height limit.
Load More Replies...Thankfully, not everyone treats people according to appearance (although we probably all have some level of bias without realizing).
Jesus getting underpaid is so incredibly common, I just had a company try to poach me, offering half of what I know they paid previous employees prepandemic. 60% of what their competition is offering. They must have forgotten that I’m 10+ years in this industry with my own clients and not only know many of their clients as well, but also previous employees, and their competition. How they could forget when they tried to poach me because of those facts, escapes me. F*cking depressing though. Deflated the entire conversation.
Prepandemic, unhappy with the job i was at i put my resume on indeed and applied for a few jobs. I have retail management experience and got several calls/emails offering me associate positions, for 1/2 what i was making. No thanks! Why would I want a lower paying job?
Wouldn’t it be nice if we were able to benefit when our company does well so we could enjoy life? If, when our company profits, we all profit? Wouldn’t it be great to know your home/food/utilities were taken care of and your weekends could be spent exploring this amazing planet or exploring sweet hobbies or just relaxing and enjoying your life, because you did a good job? Instead of the big wigs taking all the profits for themselves? I’d probably work a lot harder at times - although I’m lucky enough to work for a good company at the moment, I’m still second hand angry. (Seriously, how much money does a CEO actually personally make for his company all by himself? Enough to justify a 7 figure salary?)
I lived in a third world country, work at one of the greatest company. we get salary 10% raised every year. we got bonuses based on our performance and if the company get more that 15% proft increase, we will get additional bonuses. and we got 12 to 22 days paid vacation, and we must take min 5 days vacation every year. we also get free health care
Load More Replies...Stick to your guns, and expecations! You're worth every penny you've earned (given experience and expertise).
On my first job, they announced the employee of the year. They said he is a hardworking guy, who works for free (yes, 0 salary) - they gave him this "opportunity" to get experience in the field of IT.
Welp, if you can't give them money, give them recognition! Maybe they will stay a little longer and (not ask questions).
Worked at a manufacturing role for 2 years. First time I had ever worked out of hospitality. A lot of my role was imports/exports and liaising with suppliers. By taking the time to develop relationships with many different freight forwarders instead of just the one “they had always used”, I managed to SAVE a small business AUD 500k per annum. At my three year review, I presented the data to my operational manager (OM) and asked for an extra 20k per year. He said he would make it happen. Ultimately advised by the Owner that no, he could not pay that as based on the OM’s KPI’s and him taking the credit for employing me, the OM was to receive a 20k bonus, plus an annual pay increase of 50k. On the spot I said f$&k this, here is my notice. The girl who replaced me had mental health issues (she was my friend but not capable of the stress the job entailed) and was being subsidised by the government for her wages as someone deemed unemployable. She committed suicide 2 mths later.
That's so many shades of horrible in all aspects. So sad for her and her family :-(
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I did something similar and ended up in a similar situation, it has made me so angry and paranoid towards employers that i struggle to keep showing up at work.
Especially since nowadays a full time job doesn't result in a decent size roof over your head anymore.
Every single day on my way to work i'm tempted to just go somewhere else and disappear or just jump off a bridge and stop existing.
this breaks my heart...pls op, don't jump. i promise there are good bosses out there. hang in there, change is coming soon...
I worked at a place where I could cover for other people, stay late, come early. They gave the b**ch who was salty a promotion and I verified it with my boss and literally got my sh*t and walked out.
I worked at a theme park for awhile (not the Mouse lol) and I was an assistant supervisor. When I was hired, they could only offer me part time but said that full time would be available in a month or two. I poured my blood, sweat, and tears into my department (and did most of the ordering for the shops even though we were each supposed to manage the one we were assigned to) and I applied for full time multiple times, spoke to my manager and director, and still never heard anything back. Fast forward six months. They were promoting people from within into new assistant supervisor positions. Found out two people were promoted directly into full time. Left a couple weeks later.
I once worked for my husband's company. He had 2 business partners. In order to make sure they didn't get sued for nepotism, he was harder on me than everyone else and went out of his way to make sure he would never be accused of it, even not firing someone who needed to be fired simply because they previously were my subordinate. Then, the wife of one of his partners got pregnant so they "hired" her, even giving her a paycheck just so that she could get health insurance, though she never did work or even come into the office. Although the company never got sued for nepotism, it obviously had enough issues that it is no longer in business. And I'm sure you can guess it wasn't great for my relationship with my husband. Then, I recently moved to Hawaii and learned that nepotism runs through the veins of nearly everything there. People who are unqualified are hired or given authority or privilege just because they are someone's uncle or cousin. The management company of the residential community I lived in had a receptionist that would dictate and enforce rules she had no authority over. Everyone was afraid to get on her bad side and she got away with it because she was married to the manager.
Huh. I worked at a bakery once and they conveniently wrote me off the schedule around payday, saying "we'll call you back in soon". Days went by and I called multiple times asking when my next shift would be because I was under the impression I was, you know, employed.
Turns out they just wanted some extra help during a busy period and had no intention of calling me back (or paying me) lol
I use to work at a bakery as a dishwasher. Honestly I liked it, they left me alone, I listened to my own music in the back and just did my best, washing cake pans and buckets pretty much all day. I did it so well they barely scheduled the other dishwasher anymore so I pretty much was the sole janitor and washer. I only left cause I got a better job and left on good terms, but I later learned they had to hire 2 people to work part time to do the job I did full-time and to see they struggled with the same job I did all by myself. Felt nice to know I was decent and good at my job.
I got a job as “maintenance” in a Groceries store, which is pretty much janitorial work. I did the emergency cleaning like if someone spilled or broke something I was the one to do it. On top of cleaning bathrooms that I absolutely hated not because of cleaning, but because how disrespectful some people can be. I helped stock and face the product, break down pallets, help get carts from the parking lot, bagging, Nuro the online shopping thing, putting back returns which would be an insane amount like filled to the brim carts, I would every night have to go to receiving and “help” throw away product that went bad. Everyone was nice except the deli department f*ck they were super condescending and would just leave their trash for me to do it by myself. After 2 weeks I was tasked to do literally everything except being a cashier. After 3 months I asked to be moved to the Online shopping thing because it was way less stressful and they got f*cking paid more than me. Everyone got paid more than me. I specify 3 months because that’s the probation period and had to work that before they can move me to a different department or give me a raise. The manager for the nuro department and the manager for the drug department wanted me because they noticed I was busting my a*s and they liked that. An incident happened that completely had pissed me off and I was ready to quit, but HR talked me down and told me they’ll move me in 1 week. After a week they moved me to only bagging an said they are about to a hire a maintenance guy to replace me. Another week goes by and I ask when am I being moved and they said just wait a little, the Nuro manager asks me when I moving to her department I was like idk they said soon. It was time for schedules to come out and the person who was moving me coincidentally left for her 2 week vacation. She put me back as the “maintenance” at the top of the morning without tell me, I only found out when I saw the schedule when I got to work. I was livid. Unable to contact her and I would have to wait to be moved until she came back, I asked the morning manager about the supposed mistake. It wasn’t. I asked if anyone was notified that I was going to be moved. They weren’t. After my questions the manager got annoyed and in a such a dismissive an a bi**hy tone said “They put you as the maintenance, so someone has to clean the bathroom or you can talk to the boss” right there I was about to lose my f*cking mind. I went to the boss and asked him if HR informed him about me moving departments. He wasn’t. I took my uniform off and threw it on the customer service table. All I said was “I quit” an left. I got 2 calls from the manager I was most cool with I didn’t answer, I got a call from the Hr person who was supposed to move me I didn’t answer. F*ck them. The worst part is I noticed this post was too long so I left some things out, but it was a lot of things that led up to me being fed up.
One of the temp jobs I had put me to work in carpentry because they found out I could swing a hammer. I found out the agency upped my rate to that of a carpenter instead of a laborer, $14 an hour, but pocketed the difference and kept me at $9 an hour. I didn’t say sh*t because I was 19 and convinced I’d get fired if I complained.
Heh, that's how the contracting business works. I dislike the practice of resume shifting. They have a new contract and submit existing employees resumes, as if they will be working the contract, then get cheaper, outside hires. When you have to fill out a "corporate resume", that's what they are doing.
Load More Replies...And that is the same c**p that unions help to fix. One of the MANY reasons (some valid, some not valid) companies don't like unions.
I worked for a local grocery store in the Deli. Myself and the two people I was hired with all did training together, all worked the same shift together and after it was all said and done did the same job as one another. In the end we learned I was making $1.40 more because my job title was different. That was literally the only reason I made more, and when it was brought up to our manager they got frustrated with me for letting them know that I made more like it was my fault they got cheated out of the extras pay.
Worked at a place that had people who have been in the field for 20+ years getting paid $15-20 an hour. The first guy that got hired there in my time working there (3 years) got paid 7 dollars more than any of us because he volunteered to paint a few walls in the lobby. When word got around he was looking for a new job; they offered him 3 dollars more. This guy was 20 years old. Had no prior experience and few relevant skills. Fast forward 3 years. The place shut down because everyone quit due to everyone getting paid sh*t.
I’m a server and the f*cking restaurant I work at right now takes credit card transaction fees from customers out of OUR TIPS. These places are hell and they’ll burn you at every turn to extract labor and increase profit. Business owners in the food/restaurant/hospitality industry are scum.
People often complain about tipping their doordash/ grubhub drivers because of all the fees when ordering. Not realizing that those mandatory fees go straight to the company and leaves the workers shafted
I'm not so sure they don't realize vs have a convenient excuse to not tip.
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Reminds me of teachers. Union pay scales ensure you get paid by seniority, not competency. These two often don’t correlate, and in fact, at a certain point they likely inversely correlate. The sh**tiest, laziest teachers I had were typically those waiting around for retirement.
*Teacher's Union" issue one of the reasons I shunned union jobs. Promotions & pay-hikes are based on more than an employee's skill, effort, & productivity thereby making the "playing field" uneven/unfair. My maternal grandfather & my uncle worked union at an airline & were out on unpaid strike too many times to count. In some cases, union employees wages vs work output caused US manufactures to close plants in our country & employ people in places like China way less than US minimum wages. Our "American cars" are often times assembled in either Mexico or Canada, even when the actual parts were made here. Toyota hires US workers to assemble some vehicles using Japanese parts....works for Toyota & customers get a more reliable vehicle (not a fan of the local dealerships in CA, the sales staff are HORRIBLE).
Way to victim blame. How dare they ask for more money!!! They wanted to get paid decent and because of that, the company moved to child labor. shame on unions for forcing that on those poor corporations
Load More Replies...This is similar to my situation as a kindergarten teacher. I work my arse off, working 7 days a week (except for the 2 week holiday per year) for 2 years now. I found out last week that my new lazy colleague who barely works 40 hours per week and has less experience than me earns 25% more. I asked for a raise but they told me he gets more because he's a native English speaker.
I’m a manager at a popular “mexican” restaurant chain that’s named after a pepper and I feel pretty proud of the number of people I’ve awoken to the falsehood of meritocracy. I’ve even spurred my fellow managers into demanding a raise because they were only making 1 dollar more despite having YEARS in experience above me It’s crazy how much simply explaining how circumstances are unfair can wildly change someone’s mentality
I keep wondering why people keep eating at restaurant-chain-that's-named-after-a-pepper. I ate there once a long time ago and my burrito was full of chicken bone shards. Complained and got a free meal coupon. Ate there again and again, chicken bone shards in the burrito. Complained and got another free meal coupon. ate there again and again, chicken bone shards in the burrito. I eventually decided if they weren't able to keep from getting chicken bone shards in their meat, what else were they messing up? Despite being free, it just wasn't worth the health risk of eating their food.
I'm surprised places like Chilli's, TGIFriday and applebys, are still in business. People stopped wanting to eat their garbage, years ago. Plus there are plenty of chains now that have heard the customer and serve real food, that doesn't come out of a bag.
Load More Replies...I was hired as a bread baker by a (non-union) contractor for a major tech company. The job was A+ learning new techniques daily from an awesome chef on a graveyard shift. Days before Christmas we were told the bread baking team was getting disbanded and punted into the pastry team because someone at corporate decided graveyard shifts were “unhealthy”. Meanwhile our union shop counterparts are happily baking bread…
Statistically if you work graveyard shifts the majority of your working years, you live 7 years less that those who work day or swing. Also, graveyard shift is to be paid extra because it falls outside the normal working hour (swing also). So it was "unhealthy" for the company as it might have cost them more.
This happened to me. Loved my job at a local coffee shop, all my coworkers rocked. After a year I got promoted to manager. I started trying my best to make everyone has happy as possible, and soon realized that everyone was barely scraping by at $8 an hour. I went to the scheduling manager and she brushed me off, then I found out she was making $16. I was making $10, and I ran that damn store all on my own.
When I was in high school. I was hired to replace a person like OP. I just laughed when they wanted me to do everything the previous person was doing.
My fiance is destroying our relationship over a sh*t job who doesn't give two f*cks about her. Love this timeline we are in.
This happened to me once. It was a new restaurant. Everyone else quit so I was stuck working the line all by myself. When I wanted a raise they hired 2 new people to replace me then fired me.
Typical. I worked for what I thought was fair compensation and was denied an annual raise again and quit. I Handed over my duties to another worker who was shocked at his new work load since I was software and supported Engineering which ment my Christmas tine off wasn't since Engineering used that time to test new hardware and since I supported the testing system I had to come in. I also was was responsible for the Web site and responded to Marketing. The guy taking over my responsibilities wad not at all happy since I also had software applications to develop. Made me happy I left.
Basically. Got hired to work as an assistant to the Community Business Manager at Barnes and Noble but had to do everything else on top of that often demanding position. Turned out, everyone was getting paid more than me because they skipped over me when it came to the yearly reviews. Thank god getting put on temporary leave due to COVID gave me the courage to tell them to f*ck off when they asked me to come back.
I am in a similar position and am doing things way past my pay grade, like I should be making double what I make but I fear if I try and ask for a salary adjustment my hours will be cut or I’ll just be fired. This is a real situation I think happens more often than people realize .
I work in corporate position that sometimes lets me see an employee’s salary. I usually can’t find a pattern to the discrepancies. Race, gender, and education seem not to play a role. Sometimes employes who have been there the longest seem to suffer due to raises that don’t keep up with market for new hires, but that isn’t always the case. I think that sometimes it must be a “gut feeling” and willingness to negotiate.
This is almost spot on my situation haha. I work at a grocery store bakery, I can do every job in that bakery, and I’ve been there 6 years. They bumped everyone’s pay to 11 last year so I make as much as someone who just started despite my experience and skill set. (Nothing against those employees! They deserve more money too!) My boss has been hostile because I finish my job early and I don’t offer to help in other departments. So I’m excited to see if I get a raise this year and how it compares to my coworkers. If I don’t get one/get a pathetic one, I’ll probably leave and do art commissions haha
I worked retail for years. Became a go-to person in every area of the store. Not just cross-trained, I trained a lot of people for pretty much every job in the store. By the time I was done there, minimum wage increases caught up to me and I was making the same as the new-hires I was training. I only stuck around as long as I did because they let me work where I wanted with my limited availability. I watched all the most competent people slowly move on to better things.
Yeah I worked at a cafe for about 5 years, did opening shifts (5am), closing (11pm), was a shift leader, learned bussing. The last year I became a student and started getting that kind if treatment. Found out I wasn’t getting raises with the rest of shift leaders and that people who weren’t SLs were getting paid more or the same as me. Asked for a dollar raise, got 50 cents and quit. Feels really sh**ty to give so much of yourself to make someone else’s life better only for them to f you over when you become a slight inconvenience to them.
I was a baker myself once! I left because the pay sucked. 12/hour. They offered me 14/hour to come back because I left for a job making 13/hour. I agreed and they just never gave me the raise so I no called no showed as the only baker on bight shift. I also had to deliver the pastries after I made them. So customers were pissed. They called to b**ch me out and I threatened to sue them and they gave me all the money I'd have had if I got the raise lmao. That was like 6 years ago. Also the manager was the worst I ever had. Hygiene was grotesque and he also made the pastries. Saw him drop 1 donut on the floor and pick it up and serve it. He only wore a beard bet after getting multiple complaints about hairy cruellers. He would admit he never showered and often just wore the same dirty cloths. His teeth were rotting out of his head from bot brushing them and only drinking soda. He would share all of that freely with anyone. He made 10 more an hour than I did and would scream at everyone who he trained like Gordon ramsay. I told him he was an idiot and to expect to never hold an employee
I have a similar story from my first job, I remind my mom of it any time she suggests I learn new skills at work in order to try to get a raise. Never happening again, I’ll be taking that raise first
I worked in a bakery in a grocery store for 10 years. Technically some of the worst shifts for a normal schedule, but I’ll be honest, it was a very enjoyable job for me. I unfortunately live in a very expensive area, and it wasn’t able to give me a good enough wage to afford to live there, so I had to get a better career. (If I could’ve supported myself on the pay, I’d have stayed there forever.) I still have very fond memories there.
We had a guy that sounded just like this. In fact he was a good worker that you never had to ask to do something. If he saw a piece of trash..picked it up. Saw a pipe with a small leak..tightened it up or found somebody that could. BUT...he was a GD toxic mf'r! His mental state erased all his qualities. He asked for a raise due to learning more than his job entailed. They fired him to weed out the 1 bad apple.
One thing i know as a small business owner - most dont fire what they consider good help if it is just a fair pay raise. if i was in this spot with what i considered a good employee, i would absolutely get them to a fair rate right away. What i think a lot of people forget is that not all businesses are set up to be hugely successful. A local bakery may only have so much pay it can give out and keep the doors open. The person working for 15 years who all the local customers love might be much more valuable vs the person who is relatively new and good at the job functions. I think for some of these posts there may be more complicated answers as to the “why” employee go fired. Also most people feel they are good workers and boss is horrible but that is definitely not always the case either. Not necessarily disagreeing with this person but id like to know a little bit more.
If you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage, then you don't deserve to own your own business, and it should fail for lack of a market sufficient to support it.
I think the one post said it best with $1 dollar raise is like a 100 a month expense to the company. Its truly not as big of a burden as they claim
Without strong regulations on business you will see workers getting exploited more.
toxic dysfunctional company policy: "The more they do for you, the more you hate them. After all, you can't let these people take over"
Lyft doesn't pay bonuses as promised. UBER has it's own set of problems. Both take advantage of their drivers. More big multinational companies making money by treat people unfairly.
That's why I never use em or buy anything from Amazon. Worst company on earth along with Nestle
Load More Replies...After dedicating the last 7 years of my life to a job I loved and getting to work my way up the ladder a little bit- I am now a full time employee that makes a minimum of $1 less than people that walk in off the street. I have also been ignored for promotions and instead their friends are hired for jobs I'm more than qualified for. The last explanation I got was that 'there would be some discomfort if I were to be promoted to their team because of the issue between me and another supervisor'. The issue? She expected me to do her work without so much as asking. And I said I would if I was asked to do it and not just had it dropped in my email weekly without even a 'hello'. I used to love my job. Now I exist here because rent is expensive. I have never hated my day to day so much.
NEVER do your job too well... I worked 17yrs for a small business. I severely injured my thumb & couldn't work (as a dental hygienist) only to recieve a Sunday phone call, chewing ME out for not finding a substitute hygienist & not planning my accident to accommodate the office.Concern? Loyalty? What was I thinking?! I hung up on him & went to work for the State til I retired. Do NOT work in a small US business if you can help it folks.
Ugh, the eternal struggle. I used to like my job until management started ignoring my seniority (against union rules) to favor my thin cooworker. She's nice but as the senior in the possition I should NOT be frozen out of meetings.
I think the one post said it best with $1 dollar raise is like a 100 a month expense to the company. Its truly not as big of a burden as they claim
Without strong regulations on business you will see workers getting exploited more.
toxic dysfunctional company policy: "The more they do for you, the more you hate them. After all, you can't let these people take over"
Lyft doesn't pay bonuses as promised. UBER has it's own set of problems. Both take advantage of their drivers. More big multinational companies making money by treat people unfairly.
That's why I never use em or buy anything from Amazon. Worst company on earth along with Nestle
Load More Replies...After dedicating the last 7 years of my life to a job I loved and getting to work my way up the ladder a little bit- I am now a full time employee that makes a minimum of $1 less than people that walk in off the street. I have also been ignored for promotions and instead their friends are hired for jobs I'm more than qualified for. The last explanation I got was that 'there would be some discomfort if I were to be promoted to their team because of the issue between me and another supervisor'. The issue? She expected me to do her work without so much as asking. And I said I would if I was asked to do it and not just had it dropped in my email weekly without even a 'hello'. I used to love my job. Now I exist here because rent is expensive. I have never hated my day to day so much.
NEVER do your job too well... I worked 17yrs for a small business. I severely injured my thumb & couldn't work (as a dental hygienist) only to recieve a Sunday phone call, chewing ME out for not finding a substitute hygienist & not planning my accident to accommodate the office.Concern? Loyalty? What was I thinking?! I hung up on him & went to work for the State til I retired. Do NOT work in a small US business if you can help it folks.
Ugh, the eternal struggle. I used to like my job until management started ignoring my seniority (against union rules) to favor my thin cooworker. She's nice but as the senior in the possition I should NOT be frozen out of meetings.
