It’s no secret that American healthcare is notorious for continually shocking the rest of the world who are well used to being more or less covered in case of health emergencies. And while American hospitals and medical facilities are undisputedly something you’d call ‘world class,’ they are also unaffordable for many.
The numbers speak for themselves: total health care spending in America went over $4 trillion in 2020 and more than 30% of that—or about $1.24 trillion—was spent on hospital services. Hospital costs per day averaged $2,607 with California being the most expensive at $3,726 per day. And if you want to stay overnight, the coast soars up Everest, $11,700, to be exact, and that’s for the ones with insurance.
There’s only one thing that speaks even louder than figures. It’s people who have experienced what it’s like to have their health in jeopardy just because they couldn’t afford the costs. Below are some of the most upsetting cases shared by Americans who, while living in the ‘greatest country in the world,’ would probably not dare to call it that.
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This. This needs to be more prevalent. Spam your government with it. They need to hear you, to care for you. That is one of their jobs.
As an ex-pat living in Norway now I will never move back to the states. Nope. Never.
Remember when trump said it would be easy... and then he made nothing happen with his healthcare plan?
Well, he did tear down everything Obama did. You can't say that's not a thing. Just not a particularly good one.
Load More Replies...Universal healthcare is a god thing but don't believe that everything is rosy over here in Spain. It's a massive public money blackhole. Inefficient, slow with over a year long waiting lists. Most people who can afford it complement with a private insurance. You can wait months for even simple tests and, this is before covid. Often used as a political weapon, heavily unionised, over bureaucratic sometimes the cost out ways the benefits.
Same in Portugal, and the pandemic has worsen things up very much. I believe it's still better than in USA, but not at all as good as people would think about a European country
Load More Replies...My Swedish husband likens the American "safety net" to a very thin tightrope. If you manage to land on it, you only get cut in half. I moved to Sweden when we got pregnant to enjoy all the advantages of raising a child in a social democracy.
I cannot say how much I hated reading this. People should never put their love on the line because of healthcare. I hope that something changes soon, but I doubt it will.
How exactly are they putting their love on the line? All they've done is change their legal status. It even says they're still in love.
Load More Replies...I don't know who needs to hear this, but if the US taxed people just 3-5% higher and actually taxed huge corporations like Amazon, we'd be like the other 32 developed nations. It's such a simple solution! I really don't know why all of us don't band together and change how health care and insurance work in the US!
The US Federal Government has plenty of money to fix healthcare right now, but because of the power the huge healthcare/Insurance corporations & the horrible spending habits of the Federal Gov't (i.e.. ridiculous military spending) they will never work towards reasonable healthcare.
Load More Replies...Why can't political idiots see this - because most political idiots are rich!
But, but, but gay people are destroying the sanctity of marriage! Oh wait, that's rampant capitalism. Rampant capitalism is destroying the sanctity of marriage.
The gays are using wind turbines to blow homosexual mists into the sanctity of marriage!
Load More Replies...I’m in New Zealand and I’ve said many a rude thing about Jacinda’s failures regarding healthcare (in her defense, the previous government f****d our system to hell) but I’m glad things aren’t THIS bad.
Load More Replies...The irony is how Republicans tout their pro-family stance, but refuse to give a fraction of an inch to healthcare.
In the US medical system, death isn't the worst outcome. Financial death is
I know for an absolute fact, because of my surgical history and litany of daily medications, that if I lived in the USA I would be dead by now. Either due to untreated medical conditions or to avoid sending my entire family into generations of crippling debt.
This is so true. During the height of the pandemic I was terrified of getting sick because of this. I still have medical bills floating out there. The absurdity when you think you're having a heart attack, go in and it's a panic attack and you end up with a $15K medical bill for a 4 hour hospital stay where they used an EKG machine, gave me morphine and I took up space. That's it.
I had to have surgery a couple years ago when we had no health insurance. I'm f*cked. But amazingly my Covid ER visit in December 2020 was covered 100%! We had a $300 ER copay plus 80/20 on labs, like my xrays, so that was amazing! Unfortunately not all insurers are waiving covid fees.
Load More Replies...The 2 constants in America are Death and Hospital Bills except that death only happens once. Paraphrased from Terry Pratchett
One of my friends on Facebook posted in the height of the pandemic that her son had covid and then a few weeks later he died and his parents had to make a gofundme to get enough money to cremate him. About a month later she showed the hospital bill, over 500,000 dollars. No insurance. Then the dad got covid and also died, again gofundme to pay for the cremation. Another huge bill for the hospital treatment for her husband. She said goodbye to all of us on Facebook and then she killed herself. Horrific. Another friend told us that she had rushed over to her friend but she was already dead. Unimaginable that a country would allow this kind of medical treatment to the patients
It's got to the point where Americans need a false ID to avoid crushing medical debt.
Previously, Bored Panda spoke with Dr. Andrew Carroll from Arizona, who has experience dealing with healthcare insurance companies and fighting for what's best for his patients. Some time ago, we covered a story about how he broke down in tears when a company refused to provide one of his patients a CT chest scan that you can read right here.
Dr. Carroll explained that there are clear financial incentives for the companies that provide healthcare insurance to keep the system, with its high administrative costs, as it is. "It will be very difficult to reduce the administrative costs without overhauling the payment system altogether," he explained. This is why even small step-by-step changes are really hard to push through.
True. We really take it for granted; I'm appalled at these admissions. Sometimes there is a waiting period (luckily never been long for me), sometimes we complain about the care we receive but I've had a life-saving operation with a week in hospital and only paid about 180 euros
Most Americans I talk to have this impression that the waiting periods are outrageously long in other countries, the service is subpar, and generally, you'll just die before being seen. The ignorance is nuts.
Load More Replies...THANK YOU. Sorty to yell, but I am so tired of hearing it's the diet or the walking. No, when they get a back pain, they get a CT right away, not three months later! (Just one example.)
We owe our drs $200 that our insurance didn't cover. (We go to the same office) Cant go back until we pay that. Over ten years at same place but money is more important than healthcare in the US.
Load More Replies...I spent 10 years in the US and is now back in DK. For a 6 hr emergency room trip in the US = $4800 for facility use (US for DVT and an MR scan) excluding the cost of doctors. 6 WEEKS in a Danish hospital, 11 days on life support, 12+ units of blood, numerous scans, ambulance transfers to 2 different hospitals, dialysis, plasma pheresis, physical therapy etc, etc...... total charge = $0 And yet socialism is such a horrible thing??
Canadians live longer because of maple syrup, tim horton's and poutine. Also, we can go to the doctor anytime we want and not go bankrupt
Agree wholeheartedly - should get a cut of surgeons fees for the transplant!
Load More Replies...The American health care system is the wonder of the world. As in, we all wonder why Americans put up with a system where people have to set up go fund me pages for minor procedures which are free in just about every other country. We wonder why you allow health care insurance companies and their shareholders to become rich from the illness and misery of people they are supposed to 'serve'. We wonder why you think that universal healthcare funded by a modest levy on all taxpayers is 'socialism'. We wonder why the rich in America are getting richer faster than ever before while the poor are getting poorer. We wonder these things and we are soooo glad we don't live in 'the best country in the world'.
And just the other day there was an american here on BP stating that he met lots of europeans (Italians) begging to go to the USA. yeah right mate!
Load More Replies...Then they have the audacity to charge the recipient of the organ $150,000 just for the organ.... Like "Welcome to your second chance at life...you will now be in debt forever....."
The price of a kidney is around $100,000 to $200,000 so charge them for the organs at the highest prices and they will owe you!
I've always worried about how my adult children would pay for my funeral as I have no savings or anything as I'm on disability so I read up on what I should do and my local university accepts body donations so after my death they will pick up my body and use it for research purposes. When they are done which can be anything up to 2 years, they will cremate what's left and scatter my ashes in their memorial garden. No cost to my children at all. I've suggested it a few times to people in the USA who are worried about the cost of a funeral and to my horror I found out that it costs several hundred dollars to leave your body for research. So absolutely ridiculous
I was in an MVA in 2017, lying in the road all my bones broken (ankles-above-my-shoulders-broken.) Bleeding from my skull. I just saw red paramedic suits and shouted I can't afford this please leave me here. I didn't want to survive and see that bill. Luckily it was covered by a Road Accident fund I was unaware of at the time.
Yep again! I would be something to find out how many people died on the streets of this civilized country per day!
Load More Replies...European citizen here. I’m not sure how to say this, but we do not consider the USA as this kind of Valhalla that every other nation should aspire to. I mean, so much money but zero social security, fantastic healthcare but half the population doesn’t have access to it, random people carry guns, the police force kills people and nobody bats an eye, death penalty is still enforced, should I go on?
US citizen here, and I'm fairly certain NO other country sees ours through the lens of envy. Even it's own citizens.
Load More Replies...Look at the Wikipedia page for “universal healthcare”. There’s a map showing which countries have it, and a SHITLOAD of 3rd world countries do.
Mine has it. It's not always the best, but it has been improving a lot among the years. And universal healthcare has been around here for decades.
Load More Replies...Oh, I don't call us anything but pathetic. I'm *in* medicine. My adulthood has been spent watching it spiral into a profit-motivated scam. It's pathetic that I have to have "patient-centered medicine" as a cause. All medicine should be patient-centered, by default!
My sister just broke her ankle in three places and i had to convince her to go to the hospital. We are lucky to have great insurance (her whole stay is like 200 bucks), but we are so ingrained here to not even think to go to the ER...its cheaper to just die really
Moreover, Dr. Carroll candidly said that healthcare insurance providers don’t have it in their interest to do what's best for American patients. "Unfortunately, these payers tend not to have altruistic intentions towards their members. They cater to the advantage of the employers paying for the benefits, who want to try and spend the least amount of money they can."
He believes that employers that pay for benefits will need to demand more of the companies providing the benefits or patients will need to file class-action lawsuits to demand that benefits due to them are not unduly restricted, as they are today.
That is disgusting. This whole list is. I rely on the medical system to live, and I take it for granted it seems, this is majorly depressing
Eh, at least you don’t vote National (based on a previous comment of yours about Jacinda). THAT’S taking our system for granted.
Load More Replies...Refuse to pay it as they failed to provide the service they were hired to do. Save your sons life
this is just terrible it reminds of in china if someone is sentenced to death they are executed by firing squad then they send a bill for the bullet to the family
These should be required reading for all members of Congress. Doesn't mean they would grow a heart though.
I got one of those when my dad died. $1700 to pronounce him dead.
Well, even my vet didn't charge me anything when my bunny died during anesthesia... French vets are more human than American doctors?
Meanwhile the British government looked to Europe and frowned, then across the pond to the US and said "That's the model for us!"
Britain also looked at trump and said this is who we want for prime minister. Then they went ahead and got a bargain trump.
Load More Replies...There's also the: "I don't want to pay for everyone's health care with MY taxes!"
Funny thing is that the average US citizen pays about the same amount in taxes. They just have more nukes, aircraft carriers and submarines. Yay.
fun fact jackson, ms roads are crap, and yet the taxes are outrageously high lol.
This. Times ten million. Or do like Ike, and tell people it's really all for military reasons. We might get something done. Like education, healthcare, safe roads and bridges, etc. Y'know. Like a real first-world country.
A big problem is that the US military has a "use it or lose it" policy. That means if they get budgeted for $750,000 but only spend $450,000, then the next year their budget will be $450,000. That's why you see purchases of a $2,000 hammer.
Maybe you can just move out of America, go somewhere where health care is free.
Another side of the problem of American healthcare is that the country spends enormous amounts of money on healthcare, but a whopping quarter of the costs are purely administrative. As a result, customers are charged a lot, but not every dollar they pay is targeted at helping them. It’s no secret that there’s a lot of waste in the system although nobody really talks about it that much.
I'm upvoting this one and then I'm going to stop reading the rest. I can't.
Load More Replies...And they said Al Capone was a thief, murderer and all round asshole - Hello BIG PHARMA!
Al Capone was a saint compared to any major US corporation today.
Load More Replies...No life-sustaining drug should cost $1,200.00 per month, which is what my husband was paying for his insulin, and that was with insurance!
I have a medication thats probably 3 grand if I have to pay for it. I called up the manufacturer and told them no way I can pay that, and theres no generic, and now Im authorised to pay 15 dollars... But why was it so high to begin with then???
I live in Bulgaria, an Eastern European country. A diabetic classmate told me that if you are diabetic you get a document so a pen of insulin costs something like 0.20BGN (around $0.10). That was many years ago so things might have changed but not by much. We are often considered the worse country in the EU but this makes me think.
Here's an example, I used to keep an Epi Pen in the truck for emergencies .Now that i might really need one I can't Afford one!
Look into the cost of Insulin World wide. Lowest is about $15 a vile. $300 in US.
When I got married to my husband back 13 years ago, they immediately kicked myself and my kids off Medicaid and they also kicked my son with developmental disabilities off SSI because my husband made too much. I think at the time he was making 11 dollars an hour for a family of four. That was back in 2011. I am chronically ill with multiple illnesses. I am supposed to be seeing specialists including cardiologist and rheumatologist but I cannot go because I cannot afford the copay. So I sit and suffer.
This is why I'll probably never remarry. I have a severe neurological disorder and couldn't get treatment. I have disabled friends who can't get married because social security disability pays about 700 each but if married it's like $1100 total per couple.
Load More Replies...Neighbor did this. Her and her kid's father never married because there was no way for him to support all four of his kids on what he made and she had medical conditions that made it impossible for her to work. If the kids wanted to eat or go see the doctor...they had to stay with their mother. Sad when rising costs of healthcare and rent take the place of making sure people are healthy and fed.
Yep, just change your name. Some states let you file to be known as a family. Gives you protection and rights without taking away individual things.
Helen, I'm not really posting because I'm way too furious.
Load More Replies...This infuriates me to no end...I can't understand why so many people in this country are ok with this
Sickening beyond nauseating. We should not have to rely on the kindness of strangers to pay medical bills. The ninnies that squawk about "socialized medicine" have never experienced any of these horror stories. Those who howl that Medicare For All would be "too expensive" are strangely silent about the billions we squander on "defense" and tax breaks for the rich and big, profitable corporations.
Does not surprise in a country that essentially has made being poor illegal. There are at least 100 cities in the U.S. where homelessness or sleeping on the street will lead to a three-figure fine, or even jailtime and a criminal record. But things like taxing big companies or providing affordable healthcare are communism from hell?
how are you supposed to pay for a three figure fine when you can't even get somewhere to rest
Load More Replies...Again, I am going to cry. This is why I am sceptical about authority. Not just because of my skin colour, but because of things like this.
Even in the "best" country we should still be skeptical of authority. They should always be ready to justify their actions and decisions. Difference would be how far they have to go when justifing that specific action or decision.
Load More Replies...We are not...happens so often, we've become numb to it...and used to it
Load More Replies...You know what? this one actually made me tear up (and that pisses me off. Now I want to go and hit someone).
find a cushion/pillow to hit (and to scream into)
Load More Replies...The Dr. Who discharged this man and the hospital that allowed it should be charged with criminal negligence! You know I don't think anyone (we the unwashed public) in the U.S. or Canada knows how the medical system works this includes Big Pharma. But the Doctors and hospitals in both countries know how to get around these rules and regulations if there are any!
That makes sense. And I'm pretty sure they would be charged in my country.
Load More Replies...Now imagine you're the emt/person who could do this to a fellow human-being.
Not fellow. The person who did this isn't human.
Load More Replies...I hope the people involved step on a lego brick every day and never have a good night's sleep for as long as they live.
Then that’s either murder or attempted murder (if he lived )
This is not an American Problem, it's a problem with every human. We cannot understand somebody else's pain unless we go through it ourselves.
most developed countries in the world have free access to insulin thanks to universal healthcare insurance... US are the only "first world country" that has ppl pay such ridiculous amounts for a life-saving medication (in reality the living conditions for lots of US citizens is worse than most third world countries...)... thank god I live in Europe where healthcare insurance is mandatory and medication makers are held to certain standards and capped on prices...
Load More Replies...Now, imagine if he lived in Canada. Free Healthcare, and a roof over his head. That's democracy.
Ditto New Zealand, although both need a FUCKTON of improvement.
Load More Replies...Not going to lie, I've considered it. I'm just stupidly honest, if that's a thing.
Load More Replies...And after having so many Gatorades, you will STILL need the healthcare.
i fail to see what this has to do with healthcare supermarkets are owned and funded by a private companies nothing to do with healthcare
Or both! There's so much ignorance among people in the U.S. about what universal healthcare would look like, don't make us think we'll lose our ridiculous amount of grocery store options too.
They are denying hearing as well. So eyes, ears, and mouth, that's all.
Load More Replies...I don’t know, but I wish New Zealand wasn’t in on it. Especially since I have a neurological illness that got detected early because I could afford a routine eye exam.
I had no insurance for 10 years, when I reached 65 and got medicare the first thing I did was make an appointment to have my eyes checked. Legally blind, why cataracts, something easily repaired, but affordable. Because of medicare, I have had both eyes operated on. No one should have to wait until they are legally blind.
This isn't just a US thing. A lot of countries with universal healthcare still don't include dental. :<
Let me make this worse for you. The reality is that for rarer and uncommon diseases, government payment makes these medication possible. So because governments have decided that they're not going to keep paying to keep these less used medication in stock, pharma companies don't produce it. You're not just getting fcuked by big pharma, but also your government too.
Google shows this isn't completely accurate. Only one company used to make it, for less than 100 cases a year. They made 5+ years of stock then the company expected to go under, and then was bought out by Pfizer. Pfizer then made more, based on government demand, then in 2019 moved to a "per request" service. Since they vast majority of coral snake bites are in the same regions, they supply those with a handful of vials yearly, and everything else is produced as needed. They have a VERY fast turnaround when a hospital calls. The problem was vials were going BAD sitting on the shelf.
We still got plenty, so somebody is making it-- check your facts before posting BS
This has nothing to do with USA’s shoddy healthcare system. Pharmaceutical companies all over the world stop producing medicine that’s not profitable.
Do you realize that some drug companies can and do hold out medications if you can't pay for them or they don't think you will live even if they don't think you will survive!
Dad never financially recovered from his wife's cancer. Even with health insurance, 30 years later he still was paying down debt.
I hope these couples don't need Medicaid (the government version of healthcare for the poor), because there's a Look Back period at assets - five years in my state.
I am not a religious person but can not any of the 10 Commandments be applied to health care?
Two single senior citizens cannot marry; or one of them will loose the SS. Even though they both worked for years to earn their retirement. So they live together.
Ha... I feel this on personal level I got denied years ago for $8.00 over minimum.
When my husband and I were on food stamps, he got a $50 increase per month on his paychecks. Somehow that translated in out $149 in food stamps being dropped to $10. Someone in the Department of Social Services needs to go back and take a math refresher course.
I was denied Medicaid as I made $30 a month too much to suit them. I desperately needed a cataract operation on both eyes as I could barely see and not able to drive at night.
My Landlady makes $25.00 dollars to much a month, to qualify for Medicaid!
Years ago, my city of about 42,000 had three discount department stores. Then Walmart came to town and they all closed. There is no longer any choice about where to shop. It's either one huge, horrible corporation or another.
Load More Replies...That someone is able to do this is so beyond me that I'm almost inclined to believe there is more to the story on why Amazon workers have no paid sick leave, but I know there isn't.
The man is greedy, considers only himself and how much money he earns. He should pay for all his employees healthcare worldwide.
Bezos and the rest should be put in a position where they MUST live like us for a year or more, the richer,the longer the sentence. Absolutely no contact with the outside for that time.Only dealing with the healthcare lower level bereaucrats!
100% agree that workers should be treated far better. I have to say, though, it's more of a drip-down system of power. While yes, he could make major changes, his leadership is so far removed from that of the workers by managers and sub-leaders that it would be far more difficult than we think.
Scroll up to the one about the black guy in Georgia. 🤬
Load More Replies...Yep. Been there. Got kicked out of a pediatrician's office in TN because I hadn't paid my last bill. Paid all the other ones for years. Needed more time on this one. Got lectured loudly in front of all the other parents in the waiting room about how it wasn't fair that I get to see the dr today when everyone else waiting was responsible enough to pay. Instructed to take my baby (who had an ear infection) and leave until I could pay my bill.
My mom, who eventually died of metastatic breast cancer, was going to stop her chemo at one point because it was $13k per dose and they had exhausted both of their retirement accounts to pay for the first few. The scheduling nurse assured them that the drug company had a "discount program" that would cover the cost. Which means it shouldn't have ever cost $13k to begin with.
I had a seizure in a store parking lot and someone called 911 for an ambulance. I woke up in the hospital and they said they wanted to get a CT scan to see what was going on. I told them I didn't have insurance and inside of 5 minutes The IV was taken out and I found myself standing on the street in the dark. $3,000 bill for the ER and $600 for the ambulance, even though the hospital was 2 blocks away.
A former job I had was taking $$ out every week for my health insurance but they were illegally using the that money for other bills. So they didn't pay anyone's health insurance. I only found out when I was sick and went to the doctor. It was $585 for the visit and antibiotics, which I had to pay out of my pocket that day.
Over here it's illegal not to treat someone because it goes against some doctors oath, idk how to properly translate it, sorry, but if a doc here refuses to help a really ill person he'll get in massive trouble. goverment pays for it tho.
How can you even have a maximum sick days. It is not like, "Oh, I am out of my sick days, so I am cured now."
In the UK the statutory period for employees to receive sick pay is 28 weeks. Most contracted employees get more than that though. I can take up to 12 months off from my job, paid full for the first 6 months, and at a reduced rate thereafter. I legally CAN'T be fired during that period, and I have a legal right to return to the same job when I recover.
Can and did. I was an inpatient for 7 months. My employer paid me for that time. When that finished I got statutory sick pay until I was fit to go back to work.
Load More Replies...At my office there is no maternity leave, you have to use your sick days till they run out, then apply for disability coverage just so you can stay home and take care of your newborn without losing your job.
Yup this happened to me. Bad thing is they didn't tell us we had to apply for disability. I got preg. I used all my sick days because I couldn't keep food down. I had to quit a gov job
Load More Replies...And some American jobs have no paid sick days or limit then to so many a year that do not carry over to the next year. Yes we can take Family Medical Leave for up to 12 weeks a year after the first year but that is leave without pay. You want to be paid you save your sick leave (if you can) and your vacation. Family medical leave just means you will have a job to come back too as long as you are not gone more than 12 weeks. And some employers interpret the family medically leave as all or nothing you take the 12 weeks all at the same time. You need it spread out over the year for treatment too bad. You come back early you forfeit the remaining days. Others will let you take it a few days here or there but it is still leave without pay unless you have saved sick days or vacation.
Load More Replies...The biggest hypocrite here is the media. They make this look like some good deed while, in reality it s just a confession of failure of US society. But the media belongs to the rich class and they want to preserve the situation being able to gather insane amounts of money by exploiting all other citizens within the US
As A European I don't even think I understand this. What does 'running out of sick days' mean? What does it lead to? That the person stops being paid??? What??? Do they lose their job? Are they legally required to return to work? I don't get it.
You'd need to take unpaid days off, file for unpaid FMLA, and/or lose job. (Disability insurance may assist for those fortunate enough to afford it.)
Load More Replies...If Insurance is involved in any way at all they will find a way to screw you!
I worked as an accountant for a local school district for about eleven yrs before I retired. When I was the Accounts Receivable desk I saw this on a regular basis. Teachers and other staff donating hours, their sick leave, vacation leave, what ever it was to help out a co-worker that was in desperate need for sick leave when they were having cancer treatments. And this was with fairly decent union contracts with sick and vacation times.........We are an inhumane country with no passion for citizens!!!
I remember donating sick time and vacation days for co-workers who were dying of cancer and such so they could keep getting a little money while they died. This was back in the 90s.
Remove all the rich folks from the surface, put them there, and accidentally fire it toward the sun!
You sure that isn't a picture of Elysium? The movie where the rich move to orbit and leave everyone else to slave and die fur them? Would be ironic...
They better have a good little mini hospital and healthcare providers in case surgery needs to be done stat, or anything else like this! Can't really call an ambulance an get to the hospital way up there!
She should be forced to live like her employees! her company is a Joke!, A Bad one!
Does she sleep at night ?? Silly question, of course she does, NO conscious !!
The odds against winning the lottery are pretty huge, but they're still better than working your way out of poverty.
And even if you get out of poverty and make a living wage the learned behaviors of poverty won't leave you. I make 90K and I struggle to save money because mentally I see it as a scarce commodity that if I don't use it I'll lose it. It took me a good 5 years to recognize that buying the $150 winter boots that will last 10+ years are a better investment than the $40 boots that last 1-2 years. I desperately want to buy a house but I struggle to save enough for a down payment without spending it - everytime I get to 4-5K I sabotage myself. I haven't missed a payment on anything in 7+ years and can manage my short term budget for paying my day to day stuff just fine but long term financial goals I can't conquer.
Load More Replies...That is literally the mindset of some people. I finally had to permanently block a former friend who refused to support anything that was even a hint of "socialism" because she wanted to see laws supporting the filthy rich pass instead. She was firmly convinced she'd be able to take advantage of those laws someday. She was, at the time, unemployed and close to homelessness.
This mentality is really abhorrent. I'm not a saint. But I understand this. If you want luxury without work at all, it means a lot of people out there is taking up the slack.
The average man making minimum wage cannot work his way out of poverty because he is poverty!
Dear DR. Carroll - an Insurance company can over rule a Doctor's Order! This is one s**t head Country you live in! Insurance company's should be named after a famous man HITLER!
They should be named after the President who changed the rules allowing health insurance to be for profit - Richard Nixon.
Load More Replies...Oh God, this. I have to calm down. I'm gonna throw up. We see this so often. MDs have to fight so hard to get the most essential simple things, as soon as best for patients, and they're fighting such a huge .... Just let us order the tests. I don't practice, no, but a CT today means no surgery next year, etc.... And then insurers bitch about the CT.... and people die or end up chronically ill when it's avoidable... The avoidable nature of it... My research and advocacy is for patient-centered patient-friendly medicine, and I need to go calm down. Dr. Carroll is not alone... so many...
We need more doctors like you and Dr. Carroll, Leo, but damned if I don't know how you guys don't burn out faster than you do.
Load More Replies...My dr. orders MRI's for me every 6 months to monitor benign tumor growth rates. EVERY TIME he orders it, the insurance company either flat out denies it or requires an Xray first because its the less expensive imaging option or something like that. An Xray doesn't show my tumors, it is a completely useless test. So I get to pay for that one AND the MRI. So...I just stopped doing them altogether and hope for the best. Yay American healthcare system.
I feel you, or rather my husband does .He has to have the CT every 6 months. Xray won't do it. Fortunately, we got the name of a guy at the insurance company who has the *identical* rare cancer ------ so we get it covered, but we had pure dumb luck on that. *fistbump* of power to you.
Load More Replies...Where are those people who like to say "UHS denies necessary tests." Somehow none of those showed up under this post.
Conservatives say they are against anyone being between them and their doctor. There already is someone. Your insurance company.
I know someone who works for an insurance company. Their job is to do exactly this. They look at the doctor's requests and deny as much as they can save the insurance company money. They get quarterly bonuses dependant on how much they can save them. Then this person goes on cruises to spend it all.
I want to work for an insurance agency. Just so I can approve EVERY. GODDAMN. THING.
Why are insurance companies allowed to go over doctors' heads like this? Paying for treatments and tests is LITERALLY the job of insurance
I had surgery for a broken tibia bone. My doctor prescribed a certain amount of physical therapy visits, which my insurance company cut in half. My doctor had to then resubmit and I got 1/2 again, so 3/4 of what the doctor originally wanted me to have.
Just back up a dumptruck of money into his driveway.
Load More Replies...The fact that this has to happen in the first place is heartbreaking
What is the reasoning behind that rule? Epitome of kicking a child who has already fallen down. Teacher is amazing person, of course but what if this teacher didn't exist? America has already failed the kid because no child should be homeless but this.... I have no words.
I was about to say the same thing. I had to do a double-take at that.
Load More Replies...Just thought of another name for insurance Companies Asshole Corporations!
I'm called a communist/fascist/socialist for this. Oddly, the people who call me that also want to not lose their homes or jobs or lives. Hmm.
It is so weird. What the US calls extreme left is considered very moderate in most countries.
Amazing huh, when in order to protect themselves they have to treat everyone, all of a sudden they can afford to give you a vaccine. They can afford way more than that. I hope to everything that this kind of topic becomes a thing of the past for more countries, and fast
I find it ironic I can get the vaccine for free, yet if I want to get a COVID test, I have to pay 150 bones, out of pocket. Talk about putting the cart before the horse.
You have to pay for COVID tests? I've had 5 and haven't had to pay for a single one. I even live in a red state.
Load More Replies...Insulin. How is it that the government doesn't step in, how about they take over. Make their own insulin. THAT would piss those huge profit making companies off so much.
Because according to idiots it'll be communism, socialism and any other "ism" they think are bad. And doing so will somehow take away their freeDumb.
Load More Replies...And in Canada and I assume all prices of food have sky rocketed in the U.S. also Canada's cost of living has gone up 4.4% in September! Blamed on COVID!
That shows that all that money doesn't even gets used for more equipment - being short on ventilators was and is a problem all around the globe.
Not a problem in Canada. We didn’t run out. But then we had people locked down and people wear masks and social distance. And we also have lots of ventilators.
Load More Replies...Not that I’m defending US health sistem but at the very beginning there were so many infected that there weren’t enough supplies anywhere. That happens all over the world.
and the health care system didn't bat an eye. Many hospitals were actually having to look at who gets a ventilator and who doesn't. Save one and kill another. Yep, good old insurance companies.
This also points to the government’s lack of effort to control covid so that everyone who needs a ventilator can have one.
It's like kids selling lemonade and other stuff to help out with bills or when a child saves money and then uses it to pay off lunch debts for other kids because they weren't able to afford to buy lunch. It's not something that should be praised, it's a scandal. In Sweden all children have free school meals, morning and after school care and daycare for children aged 1 to 5 all get meals included in the small fee my daughter pays.
to be fair, even with healthcare, running out of equipment also happened here in europe
Health insurance is just as much of a scam as healthcare, if not worse!
Non-profit health insurance in a public healthcare country isn’t bad. It’s the corruption of American health insurance companies that’s evil.
Load More Replies...Almost the same in Germany, insurance covers only very basic hearing aids.
I am Canadian on Old age pension and disability and cannot afford insurance. Had a specialist in Toronto tell me if I did not have supplemental insurance he could not help me! I guess each place has its shitty points!
And the incumbent party is actively negligent and the party that replaces them phoned up Jacinda for advice on how to pandemic only to ignore everything she actually said.
Decades ago, someone came up with the idea of inflating prices so that they could "reduce" them with insurance. Gives the illusion that you "save" money with insurance. What they didn't realize was that they could inflate the price to whatever they wanted in the first place and people would call it capitalism and vote for it, to protect "freedom".
Load More Replies...Im a RN from germany and in all honesty this bill made me wheeze from laughter. What "laboraatory service" is worth 22k? You could possibly buy half the equippement in said laboratory with that. And i didnt know one could basically buy a room in a hospital cause thats the only logical explanaition for charging 21k! Yall dont need just free health care, you need laws against profiteering off of the sick and poor.
Agreed! Unfortunately, those who make laws in our country are wealthy and powerful and have a vested interest in keeping it that way. It's disgusting.
Load More Replies...oh my f*****g lord! even in India this is supposedly free or costs like 3-4 USD (at govt/state hospitals) and we r a third world country. what kind of inhumane service is this?
Just claim that you are European, and send them a cheque/check for $153 and 17 cents. They can keep the 0.875 cents change. You're welcome.
Over a thousand dollars for "therapy services" which was probably just a nurse asking if you were feeling better, thank God for the NHS and pray the Tory party fails to turn it into an American style health service like they've been trying to since the 80's.
don't forget to add the bill for sitting in a chair because the chair cost them money 😤
Oh, a lot could be done. But those with the power to do it won't because of money. We are all going to die but its ok because a few people got rich.
Load More Replies...'Probably' fine. Just to be clear, when you go the NHS with a funny-looking mole, they will usually just whip that sucker straight off and biopsy it to be on the safe side. For $0. Demand better from your tax-charging government.
I heard exactly the same when I paid for a private doctor appointment because a mole on my breast started growing rapidly and the hospital denied a dermatology appointment when my "family doctor" (GP) referred me for a dermatology appointment.
Load More Replies...I hate this. "Probably fine"? Show me the biopsy results. Oh, no biopsy? OK, why not?
This is me right now. $444 a month for insurance being paid. Have bad back issues (had a herniated disc & pinched nerves at 29) and now having same issues with opp side. So it was $75 for xray. $175 for MRI & now $50 per wk for chiropractic. But chiropractor keeps my left foot from having spasms & going numb all day long so hes all good by me. Still unfortunate that this is just to, hopefully, keep it in check long enough for me to save for the inevitable disc surgery again. Last time it was $1200 up front before they would even think about scheduling surgery. And god knows they'll probably need another, newer set of xrays & MRIs before I actually have it...
ObamaCare needs some changes. I've saved and invested over many years so I don't need to work and my taxable income is really low so I pay $1.50/month for health insurance. People who need to work and so have a higher taxable income are screwed if their company doesn't provide subsidized health insurance.
COVID vaccine is free in USA. Finally we are getting some healthcare without losing our life savings.
Load More Replies...Suddenly I am very glad that I live in South Africa, where both me and my wife's meds are fully covered by my medical aid
Same here @Kobus, saffer here, Cape Town, fully agree with you on this and in South Africa if you can't afford medical aid, you can go to the clinics and it is for free, and the Americans call us a 3rd world country... go figure!
Load More Replies...It's worse. It's your fault for being sick and not saving enough to cover it. However old you are when it happens. Your parent's fault when they birth you 'broken'.
Load More Replies...And I pay 727€ per month and get everything covered - from seeing my doctor for a flu shot to staying comatose in a hospital for weeks. And it also pays for the care taking of others, housing for unemployed people and a lot of other stuff. If I'd require such things I would get those as well
I am in debt to my allergy dr. for almost a thousand dollars because my company decided to change our insurance provider without telling us. They wanted to save money by going with an a la carte insurance service. Which basically means you pay for specific coverages you want instead of all healthcare being covered. My allergy shots used to be $1.85 per shot and my serum was $36 per bottle. Now my shots are $40 per shot and my serum is $300. Thanks American healthcare.
IN Canada we pay a dispensing fee plus $100 each per year and some drugs aren't covered, so far we pay 2000 dollars a year un less you get more pills added we could not pay for some so - so far we owe because of interest charges another 2000 dollars! (old age pensioners!)
I pay $2400 per year just for my health insurance premium. That covers NONE of my bills for dr visits, medication, treatment, test, nothing. One of my treatments alone costs more than $3000 per year. I would still rather have what you have.
Load More Replies...There is a lack of humanity in Insurance they are blood sucking bastards!
Somebody could make a movie out of this - A dystopia where the survival of ill people depends on "sponsors" (like in the Hungergames)
The death rate would probably be significantly lower than it is today...
Load More Replies...So basically socialism among the people while they pay someone else to do absolutely nothing.
How can an insurance company tell you what you need medically do they see you examine you They are GODS or think they are!
Could someone explain this to me? I don't understand why Bernie dropping out suddenly made health insurance stocks increase....
Because Bernie supports Medicare for All, which would drastically reduce the number of people buying health insurance from health insurance companies.
Load More Replies...To pay off the hospital bill when they got took in
Load More Replies...At least they didn't have to pay to hold her, and a hospital room, and literally everything except the air.
Why on earth can't you Americans fight the greedy hospital administrations that charge such gross amounts for treatment. You've heard of people power, start a campaign, if one man can have the cost of insulin capped, think what millions of you could do. Start on the insurance companies as well, sounds as if a lot of the medical insurance policies aren't worth the paper they are written on. Go on, start campaigning, fight for Obama care. I wouldn't visit America if I was paid to, you have the greediest CEO's in the world.
Because too many either don't care or don't want to "pay" for someone else's medical problems because they have what they need and don't care about others (at least outside of family and friends) or society at large. There is also a big stigma against anything labeled socialism, but the labeling is highly inconsistent since only the government programs that they are against are labeled socialism.
Load More Replies...To be on medicaid, you are not allowed to have more in combined checking and savings account than $3000. Do you know how far that will go in an emergency? I get that medicaid recipients should not be wealthy. But telling them they can't save as much as possible on their meagre incomes is just wrong. And to be clear, to qualify for medicaid, your earnings are BELOW the poverty level.
It seems people in the USA does not understand the difference between "Communism" and "Socialism"
I never understand why putting everyone's tax together to pay for healthcare is socialism but putting everyone's tax together to pay for rubbish collection isn't
Load More Replies...Please can someone explain this to me. If a married couples' income goes over a threshold then one of them loses healthcare? Am I understanding this correctly?
They wouldn't lose health care, but in some cases they would lose Medicaid funding, which helps pay for health care for people who can't afford it.
Load More Replies...I'd suggest moving elsewhere... and get that wedding you deserve :)
that is absolutely ridiculous i mean $10 for a cough drop why u could probably buy a whole box for that price
You can get a bag of 80 of these at walmart for the same price.
May be we should start asking the price of treatment If we are able be fore we blindly consent!
Oxygen benefits???? what the hell, for kids why can an Insurance company cut off someone's Oxygen. How do they know if the poor kid needs oxygen theses guys are paper jockeys. I can cut off someone's oxygen benefits but I'd get the death penalty!
Again, confused European here. I don't understand what 'oxygen benefits' actually means? There's a limit of oxygen allowed per person because . . . the insurance won't pay more? Why not? How are they allowed to override medical need?
That just compares to the 10,000 dollar toilet seat at the pentagon - and the Government paid the bill. Yep the government will Pay ten thousand for a toilet seat but not that much to save your life!
There is a reason why it's called the American "Dream"..... The biggest scam in American history.
Load More Replies...*Goes to the hospital because i have a really bad headache* Doctor: Dont worry im a doctor. *Slaps a bandaid on my face.* Doctor: That would be 30$ for the bandaid and 500$ for the air you inhaled.
How can a Insurance company tell you that you are not a candidate for a heart transplant. Have they seen or examined you - this country is treating you like Hitler treated the Jews - into the ovens we need more room for more people to kill!
They are saying she isn't a candidate because she can't afford to keep the heart healthy after she gets one. Because she can't afford the meds. I loathe our "health care" system in this country.
Load More Replies...As much as we like to make fun of the US "healthcare" "system", but these are just effing heartbreaking.
I stopped reading all the posts, because it just makes me angry and sad. The healthcare system really is way beyond greediness and corruption. I don't know what level it is on. Change is must.
My sister's death. Her fiance gave us the bill he got (they lived together) for the ambulance ride. His family had 7-figure incomes. He gave it to us. It was $350.75 .... I have remembered that number for 30 years. WTF? It wasn't that long a drive, and where did $0.75 come from?! (We got an itemization. We were charged $100 for gasoline, $125-something for lfie-saving efforts, and the rest was "miscellaneous". Miscellaneous what? Did they stop for coffee?) We've never known.... And now I'm crying. Ah, Monday.
I'm chronically ill and disabled. I can at times spend more than half the year in hospital, have 40-45 ambulance trips a year and see my GP 2-3 times a month. Thankfully all included in my taxes because I live in the UK.
The saddest part is that there's nothing we can do to fix this. You can write all the letters to Congress,, go to every protest, and sign all the petitions you want but you' might as well try knocking down the Eiffel tower by breathing on it.
We need to remember this is a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. We are the People. We should stop electing the elitists. And the privileged who own stock in healthcare areas.
Load More Replies...As much as we like to make fun of the US "healthcare" "system", but these are just effing heartbreaking.
I stopped reading all the posts, because it just makes me angry and sad. The healthcare system really is way beyond greediness and corruption. I don't know what level it is on. Change is must.
My sister's death. Her fiance gave us the bill he got (they lived together) for the ambulance ride. His family had 7-figure incomes. He gave it to us. It was $350.75 .... I have remembered that number for 30 years. WTF? It wasn't that long a drive, and where did $0.75 come from?! (We got an itemization. We were charged $100 for gasoline, $125-something for lfie-saving efforts, and the rest was "miscellaneous". Miscellaneous what? Did they stop for coffee?) We've never known.... And now I'm crying. Ah, Monday.
I'm chronically ill and disabled. I can at times spend more than half the year in hospital, have 40-45 ambulance trips a year and see my GP 2-3 times a month. Thankfully all included in my taxes because I live in the UK.
The saddest part is that there's nothing we can do to fix this. You can write all the letters to Congress,, go to every protest, and sign all the petitions you want but you' might as well try knocking down the Eiffel tower by breathing on it.
We need to remember this is a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. We are the People. We should stop electing the elitists. And the privileged who own stock in healthcare areas.
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