35 People Who Grew Up Poor Share What Unwritten Rules They Abided By To Get By
InterviewLife when you’re well-off and when you’re incredibly poor is like night and day. The difference in your family’s income doesn’t just affect the quality of your food and how you spend your free time—not having enough money impacts nearly every aspect of your life. In ways that you couldn’t imagine.
One redditor, user Jicta, asked their fellow site users who grew up poor to share the “unwritten social expectations of your world growing up,” besides practical and widely-known money-saving measures. The responses have been heartrending. Have a read through them below, dear Pandas, and let us know what you think. Have you ever had to do anything like this while growing up? Share your thoughts and experiences in the comment section, dear Pandas.
The creator of the Financial Samurai blog, financial expert Sam Dogen, went into detail with Bored Panda about climbing out of poverty. "One of my main reasons for writing 3X a week on Financial Samurai since 2009 is so that I can help people for free reach financial independence sooner, rather than later. Not only is my blog free, but so is my newsletter," he said. We also reached out to the original poster of the question, Redditor Jicta. Read on for both of their insights.
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Not really a societal expectation, but more of a familial one. I never once knew how closely my family toed the poverty line, thanks to how my parents ran things. My dad, though, he would volunteer me all the time to help friends, family, coworkers in need, if I was able to at all. Never let me ask for a single dollar from them, unless it was explicitly "a job" and for, say, a friend of a friend. I helped his coworker move a handful of times. I cut my elderly neighbor's grass. I helped so-and-so connect their internet, or a friend of his to replace their carpet.
I had no idea what my old man was fostering in both me and them. When I moved out on my own, his coworker called, offered to help. Showed up with antiques from his late mother as a housewarming gift for my wife and I. The man who's grass I cut? He passed away, and left me his piano, since he knew I liked to play. The friend with the carpet? Hooked me up with a decent paying job right out of college. The internet-illiterate ones? Solid mechanics, and know my vehicle inside and out.
He was teaching me something so much more than just an exchange of goods and services. These weren't I.O.U.s coming due. The man knew the value of community and friendship, and just how far people would go for someone else if they just cared, even an ounce.
It bleeds over in my day to day, now, too. I may see someone at the grocery store struggling to find a product, so I take the time to help them out. It costs me only a few minutes, and I may never see them again. Or, I find out the person I helped is the very same one standing behind the counter at the DMV, and makes my time just a little bit shorter as a thanks.
TL;DR, my pops taught me the value of kindness.
Your dad taught you a lesson that I have a feeling you will pass down to any children you may have or will have. What a wonderful legacy to receive and continue in your family!
"I never once knew how closely my family toed the poverty line, thanks to how my parents ran things" Same here - our family was more poor than I knew, for a few years I got subsidized food at school, but didn't even know what that meant at the time, all I knew is that I didn't have to give the teacher a check to get my lunch tickets for the month. But I felt like I had a "normal" childhood - we had a house, and adequate food and clothing at home (I never thought it was weird when the church would show up regularly with a big food basket). We never had expensive toys and my clothes were almost always hand me downs from my brother. It wasn't until I was an adult that I found out how my parents struggled after the factory closed and dad struggled to find work. By High School, he'd found a good middle class job (back when there was still a middle class), and things were much better.
This isn't just a poor thing, this is a lesson everyone should be taught, especially today in these troubled times.
If your neighbors were in need—you helped them. Like, Mary’s car broke down again, so my brother would go work on her car for free on his day off, and I’d get up extra early all week to drop Mary off at work and get her kids to school. Swing by in my lunch break to grab the kids after school, too. Basically, when folks are in need—you help them, and the same is done in return.
This one is also very important. Solidarity is survival. Also, lots of items get shared. For example, you happen to have a stroller and your baby now has grown out of it? You give it to the next pregnant neighbour you know. Or sell it cheap.
I belong to a site called trashnothing.com - it was set up to stop stuff going into landfill but works effectively to help people set up home etc. A predecessor, which I think is still going, is Freecycle ; a few years ago I set my Stepson up in his first apartment for nothing, got everything from a bed to carpets to kitchen items (including a fridge and a cooker) to every bit of furniture in there, cost me nothing but time to collect everything. Also, as an aside, when the price of scrap metal was through the floor, junk yards would charge to have old cars towed away - over about 5 years I had at least 10 cars that I fixed up and sold on, in fact, one of them (a Citroen CX if you want to know) was by far and away the most comfortable car I've ever driven; , including a Rolls Royce Silver Spirit . Kept it for 2 years until parts became hugely expensive .....
Load More Replies...Yes, this is why developing countries tend to have a stronger sense of community. As average incomes begin to rise people tend to rely on themselves rather than their family and neighbors, causing them to drift apart. This is partly why developed European countries tend to be socially distant and independent while in most asian and African countries, maintaining good relations with neighbors and family is still very important.
Yeah, but now assholes will sue you at the drop of a hat because you did it wrong or tey become entitled to your help. I had a neighbor who was laid up with a bad back and I'd shovel his walk and driveway whenever it snowed. I was off on travel one week when it snowed and so I wasn't around to shovel. He got a fine from the HOA and expected ME to pay it since I didn't shovel HIS walk WHEN I WAS 1,000 MILES AWAY! I told him he should have hired someone to do it and he told me "I" should have known it would snow and hired someone to do it, Needless to say, the asshole didn't get free shoveling anymore.
yep. Sometimes you can be so over generous that it comes to a point when they expect it all the time!
Load More Replies...It's a wonderful sentiment but sadly I have learned the old adage that "no good deed goes unpunished".
Roz, that's essentially what I posted. I just got used and abused nonstop whenever I did something for free to "help." Robbed sometimes too. Terrible. I still don't know why I bother to "help" but I still do... I just don't let them know my own address and they have to go through someone else. Sad.
Load More Replies...I swear poor people, and being one of them, help each other and have less than people with everything and don't. IDC what anyone says.
Keep your hair brushed, your clothes clean, and be articulate and polite in all circumstances. We were not going to be 'trash' just because we were poor. Also, no wearing ripped jeans, even if it's the style. We're not spending money on new pants that look like old worn-out pants.
Totally agree with not spending money on new clothes that are made to look like old torn clothes. What is that all about anyway? Are they actually recycled clothes?
This is a weak, tired argument. Do you buy all clothes by how much fabric you get? No, you buy because you like how it looks and fits. Just because you don't like ripped jeans doesn't mean others aren't allowed to. Live and let live.
Load More Replies...i'm 31 and still wear s**t i wore in highschool. if it aint broke, dont fix it.
My mom grew up during the Depression as one of 10 kids. She always said just because you're poor doesn't mean you have to be dirty.
Absolutely. My family of 6 always had hand-me-down clothes from a larger family we knew. (They had 10 kids, there was ALWAYS someone close to my or my siblings' sizes in clothes). Pants ripped? They were patched or stitched up. Coat too small on the older sibling? Hang onto it, it will eventually fit a younger one. We did not have a lot of new clothing, but it was always serviceable and looked decent - not ripped/torn/dirty. Our house was not big by any means (less than 1000 square feet for 6 people), but it was always clean, the yard always tidy and we had a garden to help supplement our food bill.
I buy normal jeans and then i just keep wearing them when they worn out
New pants? Ya'll got new ones? ALL my clothes came from either Goodwill or Salvation Army. But, like you, or whoever posted this, we were to be clean too. My mom and I were homeless for a time but still, we'd go into gas station bathroom and clean up, brush teeth, brush hair and off to school I'd go.
My Father, god rest his sweet soul, never allowed me to even wear jeans. "Katrina, they are called DUNGAREES for a reason. You, my daughter and only child will never shovel s**t." - And this was the 1980s! Everyone wore jeans! Oh the bullying! However, Dad's philosophy on "You have school clothes and play clothes", has stuck with me. I bought my first pair of jeans in my early 20's for gardening. I never wear jeans in public unless it's laundry day. Thanks again Dad. I miss you more than I can say. 15 years gone this Feb 2021 and it still feels like yesterday sometimes.
When you're poor you value new clothing differently. If your funding is limited, buying ripped jeans is absurd. You wear new jeans to town and the jeans you wear on the farm all start to look like that over time anyway. Then, you're ahead of the game - if it's still in fashion!
I usually got clothing from my sis, after she does not fit, ripped jeans we worn it out ourselves until it’s like in style again
Load More Replies...Sam, the founder of Financial Samurai, agreed with us that climbing out of poverty is incredibly difficult. However, there are ways to go about this and, in his opinion, anyone stuck in a difficult financial situation should focus on one thing: financial education.
"The most important thing one can do is gain as much financial education as possible to get out of poverty. If there is no internet access at home or mobile data plan, perhaps there is free internet access at the local library, pandemic-willing. We can now learn anything and everything for free on the internet," he explained, sharing that there are always ways to go around obstacles like lacking internet access.
If you use the oven during winter, when you’re done, leave it cracked so that the heat warms up the rest of the house more.
I have always done this. Why would I let the warmth go to waste? It's also an environmental thing.
How waste? If is still in room will cool it self down using room temperature. Open door will cool the oven faster.
Load More Replies...These are all really good points, I'm surprised you were downvoted.
Load More Replies...I've already paid for that heat, might as well use it. Also it feels so nice and toasty in the cold of Canadian winters.....
That's a sweet sentiment, but that heat is also coming out of the oven and into the house if you don't open it. Just much more gradually.
Always return anything you borrow in better condition. People will be eager to loan you things.
And ALWAYS ASK FIRST!!! It chaps my ass when someone just “borrows” (translate: TAKES) something of mine without asking first. Then not even put it back where they found it, forcing me to go on a treasure hunt to find my own belongings! I was taught you always ask to borrow something, then you f*****g well better return it when you promised you would. If you find you need it a bit longer, you ALWAYS ask for an extension the moment you realize that. If they say no, you do not argue with them. You abide by their “no”, return the item in better condition than it was lent to you, say thank you, and go looking for an alternative solution. If they say yes, you once again set a return date and stick to it.
That IS a good rule. My brother-in-law borrowed my gas grill and returned it so dirty I nearly cried. Never loaned him anything again.
As a Girl Scout leader, we always taught our girls to always leave a place cleaner than your found it.
Brought my trusty Texan pick-up truck with me to Montreal and people were lining up to borrow it on moving day. Not cool. Except for this one guy, a Virgo, who returned it in such mint condition that it took me half an hour to figure out who had parked a sparkling Mazda pick-up in front of my apartment building.
Overall, independence at a young age. But also responsibility. You cook, clean, and pitch in before you are asked. If you’re waiting for an adult to make dinner, you’re going hungry. Also, poor doesn’t mean dirty. You keep what you have nice, clean, and well cared for.
Seriously, I wouldn’t trade my upbringing for anything in the world.
"Also, poor doesn’t mean dirty. You keep what you have nice, clean, and well cared for." This! This is a very important thing to remember. Many poor people don't look poor, so don't be quick to judge.
Why would you need to know who is poor and who isn’t?
Load More Replies...Being poor isn't a reason to take care of your s**t. If you take care of it, you won't waste money on buying a replacement for it.
I don't know about you guys but the first time I heard of OCD I was in the USAF. A bunkmate told me she had. Me being who I am I'm like how did you hide that on your Med Phys? I am thinking this chick has a disease. Well it is. She tells me she is very immaculate clean every thing has be in it's place etc etc. I told I said Gurl you better be glad you wasn't raised by Mama. She woulda had you thinking you were on Life Support on the regular. Where we come from that's just called not living Nasty. Nope. We don't do that. My mama would whop me good if I told her I need a Pill not to clean too much. That Girl looked at me like I was The Alabama Plague. 🥴🥴🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My mother used to say there was no excuse for being dirty, be it yourself or your home. She'd say soap is not that expensive! (And 50 yrs ago, that was true). I never knew we were poor until I grew up and moved away with my family. Strange, huh?
I had my own apartment at 18. At first, it was great not having someone telling me what to do, including clean up after myself. It didn’t take long for me to be disgusted with the squalor. I started regularly cleaning up after myself, and discovered how unbelievably great it felt to have a clean and straightened up home! My parents called it being “house proud” if your place was presentable enough for company. It’s so nice to come home to a house that’s clean and tidy, and smells good, the fridge is clean and in order, and there are no dirty dishes in the sink or damp towels on the floor. And you know, smoothing the sheets while making your bed every day just makes the sheets, blankets, and quilt or bedspread feel cleaner, even if it’s the night before laundry day. Same goes for clothing, unless it has to go in the hamper. Hanging up clothing after wearing it once (and not sweating, or getting it dirty or stained), keeps it from wrinkling, so you can wear it again without laundering it.
Amen to this! We were dirt broke, but our little house full of second-hand furniture was always neat as a pin. The yard was always mowed, beds were always made and there was never a dirty dish in the sink or trash of any kind laying around. I think my parents would rather have died than look trashy. And even with very little money, cheap soap, cheap shampoo and cheap deodorant were considered as essential as food. No way were we going to be dirty, smelly poor people. Swearing would get you smacked in the mouth, and you had no idea how close you may be to death-by-parent if you caused a fuss in public or forgot to say please or thank you.
Manners don't cost a thing. No matter what you have or don't have it makes you a civilized person. If i eat in a cafe or somewhere like that I always take my plates and cutlery up. I always get told by the owners they have people to do that but it is the way I was brought up.
Load More Replies...Very well said! I didn't grow up poor but I was taught to take care of my things. When I was 8 years old, my parents remodeled my room. They took me to pick out a new light. The one I really liked was a Tiffany looking hanging lamp but it was $80, which was pretty steep 46 years ago. They said I could have it but I had to take care of it. I'm STILL using the same lamp after all these years!
Funny how just about every post in this thread hits home for me. My friends all thought it was terrible that I had chores to do, and actually had a summer job every year from the time I was about 11 years old onwards. Chores were things like washing dishes, hanging/taking down laundry from the clothesline, mowing the grass, vacuuming/cleaning floors, cleaning the bathroom, cleaning my bedroom, hauling in wood for the woodstove, etc. My summer jobs were things like cleaning for elderly church members or family friends, mowing grass, I had a few newspaper delivery routes, babysitting, working as an aide in a childcare center, etc. I grew up knowing how to cook, clean, maintain a house, keep my car maintained, mow grass, etc - all things that helped me in my adult life with my own house and also helped me get side jobs to help supplement my income when needed. I've worked with college-age kids who didn't know the first thing about how to wash dishes, mop a floor, etc.
poor people have more manners than most rich people, they know how to use resources efficiently and are thankful for what they have just cuz they have it.... some rich people might give to the poor but most dont... that 'most' are the people who are not thankful for what they have and are greedy for a new phone each day while the others are fighting small animals in the garbage for food or begging on streets.... im not insulting the rich, im only pointing out to the rich who arent thankful for what they have...
Bored Panda also wanted to get Sam's take on what people who are exhausted and live in poverty should prioritize when they're forced between buying food, paying for rent, getting gas, and other important decisions.
"Paying for food is obviously the #1 necessity to spend money on. Fortunately for renters, there is an eviction moratorium in many parts of the world during the pandemic. Many renters don't have to pay their mortgage if they've faced COVID-19 hardship. However, the moratorium will eventually end given landlords have bills to pay as well. Therefore, the second focus is on shelter. Try to either work out an agreement with the landlord or make contingency plans with friends and relatives once the moratorium is over," he advised.
People actually order take-out food like every night. I still think that's mad.
Literally once or twice a year for us growing up.
In my country this is pretty normal? (Not ordering take out everyday ,I mean) but we definitely have it more than twice a year... We just cook amazing food at home and eat that lol... It saves money and makes us happy
The OP was just shocked that some people live that way. That take aways aren't the humongous almost unheard of treat that they'd seen them as. It's a sharp contrast in realities. When you learn that it's different for others it can be a shock. For them weekly or even monthly would have been a massive deal. If a family can afford a take away weekly then they're not in a similar financial situation to them at all. They're not making the point that eating from home is in anyway unusual.
Load More Replies...We went to McDonald's once a year as our annual treat. Yes, that was our big treat. McD's. Welcome to poverty.
Exactly. Even weekly or monthly is a lot if you live in poverty and the once a year treat was the cheapest available option.
Load More Replies...IF we got fast food, it was shared. Ever have to share a Happy Meal with two siblings? You don't feel so happy afterwards.
Takeout was definitely a rarity for us, growing up. It just wasn't affordable for us. A stop at McDonald's was a treat, and a meal at a place like Red Lobster was the height of luxury for us. Biggest eye-opener I ever had was when I was about 13 (in 1983) and my mom sent me into the grocery store with $40 and the instructions: "Go buy enough food to feed the family for a week." She wasn't being lazy or mean - she wanted me to appreciate how difficult it was to make it on so little, and to see if I could be creative enough to make it work, like she did, week in and week out, for years.
Yeah, you always hear about 'poor people raising their kids on McDonald's' but for real, at our poorest we couldn't afford to eat at McDonald's no matter how much our kids begged. I learned how to make big batches of soups and casseroles from scratch so we'd have leftovers to eat for days for pennies. I still save the bones every time I roast a chicken just to make soup out of, and make my own noodles.
I understand it came out of poverty, but these are great skills you've learnt.
Load More Replies...I used to do this too. Until covid then I couldn't go in and eat due to my random sneezing/coughing. When I get sick, my eyes water and I get too warm too fast/too cold too fast. I could ONLY get TAKE-OUT which I HAAAATE. It's not fair. I'm not sick. I just randomly sneeze. I'm not allergic to ANYTHING. (Tho I have had an allergic reaction to a certain medicine.) Just sneezed sorry. Point is, don't tell me I'm sick. I know if I'm sick or not. You don't know me or how I react to certain things. Just let me eat. I'm human. Not an alien. Im hungry. Don't turn me away, please. Thank you for reading this. Virtual hugs to those (hoo) made it to the end of my HUUUUUGE comment.
Hi Owl - just wondering if it might just be easier to say allergies to people who don't know you. Save the explanations for people you get to know more. Horrible for you though. Much sympathy.
Load More Replies...We only eat takeout on special occasions. We always used to marvel at americans on tv who literally didn't know if they owned pots and pans for making dinner with.
My parents where great at hiding that we where poor. They made sure we always had christmas presents and a birthday present. And we would order pizza at christmas. All our clothing came from other relatives or charity shops. But when i started working full time and went to live on my own? Just then i realized truth that we poor. But still looking back i have never had the feeling of being left out when it came too other childeren. And i still thank them for it.
And now all the kids have moved out? There the most generous and loving grandparents you could wish for a kid.
But the biggest lessen i have learned is help others out. So every time i have something that i don't use or want? I give it away for free. Every time my daughter go's up a size in clothes? I give the old clothes to a charity that helps people with childeren who can't afford it. And it gives me a great feeling ever single time i do it.
And this was posted on Reddit. They won't see this!
Load More Replies...People who have experienced being poor tend to be the most generous.
That's right. I have watched homeless people sitting on the pavement and - sorry I'm making a judgement here - it was those who didn't look so well off, that stopped and gave them something. Not necessarily money, sometimes food, which was accepted gratefully.
Load More Replies...I do this too. We had 2 garage sales when the kids were younger (13 & 14 now) I hated every second of it. So we started to give EVERYTHING away that we no longer needed/wanted. Just 1-2 years I learned that most schools have a “family care team” and will take in EVERYTHING when it comes to donations. They assist with any family in need, not well off, house fires, kid comes to school soaking wet from walking in the rain to school, kid doesn’t have a winter coat, parent/kid has no home decor or furniture, kid is being made of because of smell or poorly fitting clothes, the list goes on & on.
I deal in books and pictures. I often used to get hundreds of unsalable books which were not in a sufficiently good condition to give to a charity shop. I live very close to a busy train station, so I always left these books and grotty prints at street lever for passers by to take. Very occasionally someone would leave a note saying thank you for doing this. Those notes made me happier than the books I was able to sell. Always remember to treat books with respect. A book is like a garden carried in the pocket.== old Arab proverb. A room without a book is like a body without a soul == If you have a book and a garden, you have everything you need. == both Cicero. I have plenty more than those == and I am grateful. I sometimes cry when I think back to how hard my parents worked to put food on the table and clothes on my back, something which i took for granted at the time. Thanks so much mum and dad. xxxx Stay safe everybody
This is wonderful. I'm glad to see others were raised this way as well. My parents didn't have a lot of money - dad was a factory worker, mom stayed home with the kids other than when she did some part time work to help supplement our family income when needed. Christmas gifts were often handmade or simple. I still have the handmade dolls & stuffed toys my mom made from fabric patterns that were cut out, sewn & stuffed. My dad and brother worked all year on a big Christmas gift for me the year that I turned 9 - a dollhouse. Nothing from a kit - this was built from scratch from the ground up. It wasn't fancy, but it was far sturdier than any kit dollhouse ever made. I still have it. Those are the best gifts.
I also had gifts at Christmas and birthday only, but that just make them both all the more exciting. But expensive things you saved yourself for and so now i appreciate the value of big purchases
Thank you, on behalf of a kid whose clothes were from those charity shops, whose Christmas was purchased at Goodwill, etc.
My parents weren’t poor, but had 5 kids, so we wore hand me downs, especially baby and toddler clothing. I was the baby of the family and the only girl, and I still wore a lot of my older brothers’ hand me downs. Since my youngest brother is 9 years older than me, and I’m a girl, I didn’t inherit “the” bike, but my 4 brothers did, until they earned money mowing lawns (or something). Then they’d buy their own bikes if they wanted——though by that age, they mostly saved up for their first cars.
I grew up in a trailer. In fourth grade, a girl was having a birthday party and needed addresses for invitations. The next day she told me her parents uninvited me because I lived in the trailer. That was a new thing I learned I was supposed to be embarrassed about.
I guess just expecting to have to deal with other people's sh**ty parents sometimes.
Not having any friends over because where you live is too 'poor' and no one elses parents will let their kids stay over. Totally get it.
:( I was so scared to invite people home ...I live in a pretty middle class household but everyone else had these stunning interior designers and architects designing stuff for them so I always felt like I didn't fit in.... . . 3 years later, I'm no longer friends with them. They go out every day, spend a s**t ton of money ( that I wouldn't dare to spend in like 3 months) and then just take pictures ...I will never fit into that lifestyle
Load More Replies...I don't get it...at all. I couldn't care less where my son's friends live as long as they are good friends to him.
Some people think poverty says something about who the people are rather than the circumstances they're in. I'm very glad you are not like that.
Load More Replies...I had a classmate in secondary school who made friends with a bunch of girls who were rich, which she didn't know yet. She invited them over to her home and the next day they dropped her like a hot potato because she lived in a small house with two siblings and a single mother.
When I was a kid I thought trailers were so cool and I begged Mom to move into one because I wanted to be able to be in my house and ride in the car at the same time. I had a friend who lived in a trailer and I was so jealous of her and loved having sleepovers at her place. I personally think trailers are awesome, f*ck those parents.
How f*****g rude! Who the hell cares where a kid lives, especially if your kid considers them a friend, regardless!
I grew up in a rural mountain community in the southern U.S. Every kid I knew was poor like me. Luckily, I never had to feel too embarrassed about anything, especially growing up in a trailer.
Redditor Jicta, the author of the thread who is based in the United States, told Bored Panda that they grew up in a middle-class family but have known people who were both wealthier and poorer than they were. "I was reflecting recently on some of the social expectations of my own background and realized probably everyone experiences variants of that. So I just thought I'd ask," they told us what inspired them to create the thread in the first place.
The responses to the question they posed affected them emotionally more than they thought they would. "The embarrassment people felt as children when they couldn't afford what their classmates or other peers did was really sad to me. It made me think about how many people I interact with every day are probably facing things that they'd be so embarrassed for anyone else to know. That's not limited to financial pressures, but that's definitely one big area," redditor Jicta explained.
You never brought the field trip permission slips home because you knew better than to make your mom feel guilty she couldn’t pay the $5-20 fee to let you go.
Yes they do. LOTS of schools, public AND private.
Load More Replies...My school made us do this, but you could apply for a financial aid sort of thing, and another parent could help pay. My mom was always the parent who would help out another parent with that sort of thing, so the child could go on the field trip. She was such an inspiring role model to me, I vowed to be just as generous and kind when I was older.
When I was 16, the nuns in our school took pity on me and paid for me to go the retreat with the rest of the class . This was not done quietly. They meant well but I was utterly humiliated. I had not wanted my classmates to know we didn't have the money.
yes its common now. very. even to museums, science places, most field trips.
I had teachers offer to pay for students who couldnt afford specialty trips (things like zoo trips, sport events etc.)
As a teacher, we made it a point to work out a way to pay for kids that couldn't afford the field trips. Sometimes it was nice that the event space would give us X amount of free tickets for every 10 or so that were purchased, so that was always nice for those kids that we didn't want to be excluded!
When I organised trips, I loaded the price so everyone could go. Government schools (In Australia at least) have no funding to cover any sort of excursion.
Being raised by a single mother, she instilled the belief that school went elementary, middle, high, then college. There wasn’t a question as to whether or not college was optional. She did everything in her power to raise two boys to live more successful lives.
My brother and I both graduated college and graduate studies (MA) and our starting jobs were both with salaries that were over double what my mom made. Growing up I wish things where different but as an adult, I cherish the values and experiences instilled by my mom.
Same in my country - unless your parents are hopelessly poor, they would constamntly remind you how important it is to get a university degree, if you want to amount to something in life. Forget about leisure time - you have to study hard and get the best scholarship you can. And when you do go to college, the family would make every possible sacrifice to make sure you can graduate.
Here’s my take on it: Get your degree. If you want to dig ditches after graduating, fine. But, when you (quickly) get tired of digging ditches and making no money, you won’t be stuck there. Having that degree means you’ll be a ditch digger (for a few weeks) with options to move on to something better.
Load More Replies...A university education is great, but it's not for everyone and you shouldn't feel pressurized to do it as the only route to success. A good apprenticeship can be worthwhile too, especially for those more 'hands on'. Training as an electrician, plumber, mechanic or skilled in construction etc can lead to good jobs and with much less debt.
When it comes to trades, a lot of companies prefer people that have had the on-site experience. In colleges etc. most learning is in class only. Apprenticeships is more experience. 3 days on site, 2 days in college.
Load More Replies...That's sad. Not everyone is smart enough for college or just isn't the right kind of intelligent. If her kids happened to be one of those, she was setting them up for a lifetime of feeling like a failure. There is nothing wrong with other types of work that doesn't require college - such as ones that require trade school. It's shameful that we look down so hard on anyone without a college degree.
What's wrong with a body mechanic, or a plumber, or electrician, or a beautician?
Load More Replies...It was always expected that myself and my siblings would go to university. My dad who had a relatively poor upbringing and got his degree as an adult, told us you needed a degree to get a decent job. I'm so glad I was given the opportunity. My life would have been so different and I'd probably still be in my home town not fulfilling my potential.
As a female, I was raised to believe I needed to have a husband nailed down before I graduated high school, because "wasting" all that money on a college education for a girl was pointless" - nobody would ever hire me, and my husband would be saddled with my horrific college debt. This is America I'm talking about. ... It hasn't changed much, except now people just can't afford college unless their parents are loaded, or willing to save what they can to help. But with incomes these days, it's hard enough to keep a roof over your head, never mind save for an education. Reality. - I rebelled and went to school. I still have $50k to pay off, and can't get a job. I'm a female over the age of 45, so it looks like retirement will be spent cleaning more toilets to pay off my worthless education. The American dream.
I would tell my kids that when they were born they were born with a plastic spoon in their mouth, not silver. For that they will appreciate everyone and everything more. They would give me that look like "sure we will." They do! I'm so glad you see what your mother did.
Education can never be taken away from you: it’s one of the most valuable things that children can be given. The fact that you get it while learning how to be with other people is also incredibly valuable. I feel so sorry for kids now, who have lost so much education and time with their friends because of the pandemic.
Eating stale or close to sell by date, food. No brand-name anything. Adding water to shampoo to get it to last longer. Reuse everything. Make-do or do without. Free samples count as a meal. To name a few.
To be fair we were low middle class and we did all of this too. I still prefer buying white brands unless it is a very specific thing.
The generic brands are so much cheaper, and often times taste better and have less added sugar and saturated fat.
Load More Replies...I must admit, this is still a thing for me. I cannot stand wasting food.
When you pay more for name brand stuff, you are paying their advertising bill. Coke doesn't cost more than store brand cola because it's better, or uses better ingredients. It costs more because it has a massive and constant advertising campaign.
And a lot of generic/store brand items are made by the big name companies! I worked at a Nabisco factory & they made cookies & crackers for a store brand - same exact recipe & ingredients, just labeled differently!
Load More Replies...That's just a good way to live. I grew up poor but I'll do this until the day I die. Can't stand wasting things.
You'll be surprised at how many shampoos you can get out of that last little bit in the bottle! Also, try just using less shampoo each time - that's what I do and a bottle will last a lot longer!
Load More Replies...I hit my local large grocer at 7am on Sunday, all of last weeks pre packaged deli items are 50% off. Haven’t gotten bread from anywhere but the ‘old’ shelf in 51 years, lol
i wud have tesco made items..... they are wayyyy cheaper than the originals
Getting bread from "the bread store" - the discount bakery outlet connected to the company's factory (Hostess used to have these, I believe Aunt Millie's still does). It was way cheaper and still fresh, just close to the use by date.
My mom used to do that, and she would buy up 6 loaves of bread, and other baked goods, wrap it in freezer paper & freeze it.
Load More Replies...we add water to ketchup (and basically everything that you could add water to) to make it last longer
In Jicta's opinion, we can all fight child poverty on all fronts. From providing direct financial support to investing in how we educate teachers. "I really like the bailout's large child credit being proposed, and hope it stays this year and in the future. Also things like educating our teachers on how to ask questions in a way that doesn't highlight the differences between kids' experiences based on their parents' financial situations."
They continued: "And lastly if we can normalize getting sustainable financial help and learning basic financial literacy for adults, that would benefit kids. I noticed how many kids were in that predicament because their parents had such poor money management skills. But basically, we just have to be able to talk about money as a society, not pretend like it's not a thing."
It doesn't matter of you don't like the (food, clothes, shoes, toys etc) take it, say thank you and be appreciative
Yeah facts, it's just general politeness. Everyone should do this - Upper, middle and lower class.
Load More Replies...If we received a present and did not like it we were taught to say "Thank you for thinking of me!" that way it was not a lye and we were being kind.
This is just a general rule where I come from. It doesn't matter if your rich or poor, unless you want to look like a stuck up ass be grateful.
Or getting a piece of clothing for Christmas instead of that one gift you begged for 6 months straight, because you needed that piece of clothing and they couldn't afford both.
The only acceptable exceptions are if you have a legitimate—-and I mean legitimate, not fake—-medical or religious restriction against eating certain foods. Otherwise, take a dab of everything and eat it, whether you like it (then take a bigger dab) or not (then only take a tiny dab).
Lord, yes. Don't offend Grandma by making a face when you open your Christmas gift of 10 pencils and 2 pairs of tube socks, just because she bought them in a big pack & split them up amongst all the grandkids. I understand now that it was necessary and probably all she could afford, but boy...I hated those socks.
yes and no on this one. When grandparents ask what you want for your birthday or Christmas and you say you want lego or transformers or cars or some such and they turn around and buy Barbie because "YOU'RE A GIRL YOU WILL PLAY WITH GIRL TOYS" There's no appreciation anywhere. OR you're at the annual family gathering for Christmas and your cousins are opening $1000 or more EACH in presents that you know your grandparents paid for, and you're only given a coupon for a Mcdonald's Cheeseburger, then screamed at for crying and being disrespectful. Yeah no appreciation there, either
Yes you are right. This rule applies if the person gifting you if kind and had a good intention.
Load More Replies...Manners don't cost a thing. It shows what a civilized person you are. There are many people that cant even imagine having what others have.
Turn off all lights behind you. Take as quick showers as you can. Recycle pop cans. Drive slower because it conserves gas. Plan your trip so that you don't have to drive unnecessary routes and waste gas. Be OK with the heat always at 68 or below (use a blanket if you're cold).
Poor or not poor, you recycle pop cans. In my country at least...
I didn't grow up poor and except for the shower thing, we did all of that.
Lol. I do this still. I drive slower and plan trips because I drive an electric car and you really have to plan the road trips out or your car just dies and you have to be towed.
Back then it was just being frugal. Now it’s called leaving a smaller carbon footprint, or green living. Who’d a-thunk it, right?
If someone was nice enough to cook you a meal you better help(or at least offer to) clear the table and wash the dishes after.
At least half of these rules are what everyone should do. People are just telling you how they learned that.
Load More Replies...I always ask my mother if I can help her and everybody else in the household but they're all like "Sorry! Already done!" And I get so disappointed.
I even do this in the cafe if ever im in one. I make sure my family does this too. Its called being civilized. Quite a few times i have had comments "its not my job."
And even if it's something you don't like you eat it all, be polite, and grateful.
The number of people living below the poverty line in the United States was a whopping 33.98 million in 2019, according to Statista. The number really is huge and speaks volumes about the daily suffering endured by Americans. However, the situation in the country has been getting much better recently, year by year.
Back in 2014, the number of Americans living in absolute poverty peaked at 46.66 million. So for nearly 13 million people, their living situation has improved at least a bit. Unfortunately, these are pre-Covid19 pandemic numbers. We’ll need to wait a year or more to get the full picture of how the lockdowns and massive changes to how society functions have affected the poor. Odds are, the situation might’ve gotten worse.
If someone buys you food at a restaurant order as cheaply as possible even if they tell you order whatever you want. Used to get death glares from parents if I ordered something 10 bucks or over at a place where average prices was 10 bucks. If you can get a burger and fries for 8 you better be eating a burger.
I'm so lucky to have friend who paid for food back in college, since my allowance was much smaller. I wouldn't survive without them.
Same here I used to cook them meals while they provided the cooking materials,best roommates ever
Load More Replies...OMG...this makes me laugh so hard. My aunt & uncle were the "rich relatives" that everyone seems to have one set of in their family. The ones that go out to eat ALL. THE. TIME. The ones with a fancy house and a new car every couple years. The ones that take fancy vacations. The ones that buy their kids all brand-name designer-label clothing. When I was little, I *knew* we were poor. There was no doubt about it. So when my rich aunt & uncle offered to take me out to eat with them one time, I was SO excited. I ordered popcorn shrimp, having never had it before, and felt like I was living in the lap of luxury. My parents found out I ordered that and scolded me for ordering something so expensive, and made me apologize to my aunt & uncle for ordering something that cost so much. They were dumbfounded and of course said it was fine - but I'll never forget how bad that felt. (Or how good that forbidden shrimp tasted!)
How about.... don't offer to pay for someone meal with hidden stipulations.
Well, if you are taken out to dinner by anyone other than a date, it's not really polite to order the most expensive thing. If your host orders something pricey, go from there. That's just manners imo
Load More Replies...I think this has more to do with etiquette than being poor. You just don't order somthing expensive when someone else is paying. It's rude, it takes advantage of people, it's thoughtless and selfish.
Omg I always do this no matter what. I just feel bad no matter who.
If you had enough money to eat at restaurants at all, even for under 10 bucks, then you wern't poor.
In this case someone else is paying so this doesn't mean they weren't poor but I do agree that most people living in poverty aren't typically eating in restaurants where that kind of money is being spent. EDIT: lenka - I agree! Though I don't think you can assume that they never ate in a restaurant ever just because their immediate family couldn't afford it. A cousin used to stay with us and we'd go for meals without their parents and no-one ever monitored the food they chose. When their parents joined us it was different, we could see that. Just don't assume all circumstances are identical.
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We were very poor growing up. You never ate the last of anything without asking first. Portions were small and limited. When I was 11 I was invited over to a then friend's house. I was floored by their house and furnishings. Very opulent compared to mine. Lunch time came. Her mom had set the table for sandwiches. Everything laid out, 3 different breads, all sorts of meats, condiments and fruit. At my house lunch was a sandwich with white day old bread with peanut butter and jelly. Sometimes we would have those land o frost thin sliced meats. We were only allowed 2 slices of the meat per sandwich. So, at this friends house, I make my sandwich with one slice of ham because it was way thicker then the stuff at home. The mom kinda freaks out..."what kind of sandwich is that? You need to put more on it, thats not enough." I explain that's what we do at home. They were horrified. Ended up sending me home with a "care package" of food. My parents never let me go to her house again because they were embarrassed I told them we were poor.
Well, I'm sure they meant well, but they shouldn't have sent you home with food. Of course it's embarrassing for the parents. They could have invited you more to their place instead.
A well meant gesture that sprung from a lack of understanding into how the other parents would feel. It's a shame as the child lost out due to pride (which I get) and it at least sounds like the other people didn't judge.
Load More Replies...I remember spending the night at a friend's house. Big, nice house. Lovely dinner. We watched tv after dinner as a whole family (so weird to me!) and during a commercial break, her mom brought out tv trays for everyone. We each got a bowl of popcorn (well, as much popcorn as we wanted) and 3 of those small candy bars. Not the itty bitty bite size ones, though. We got to pick 3 out of a big bowl, and the three pieces together made up about one regular sized candy bar. For no reason! No special occasion! That was just what they did every night! Snacks weren't a thing in the household I grew up in. You didn't eat anything after dinner. Ever. I remember thinking they must be SUPER rich. (They were probably middle of the middle class in reality.)
Well that's stupid, why let the kid miss out cos of your fault and pride
The standard of sandwiches DOES vary from country to country... in my homeland (The Netherlands) we ate simple sandwiches... when I lived in Canada I was introduced to the multilayered version. Here in the UK it's a mixture of both, though mostly simple-by choice- for me.
So sad that the parents pride got in the way of their child having a place to go to possibly just be fed..!
WTF is with this "pride" and "being embarassed" people? Someone was kind enough to feed your kid and give them something to take home - what's wrong with that? These social norms as stupidly idealized honor and pride and such stuff are THE WORST. Where I live it was normal, that if we were invited to a party, playdate, Christmas and so on and there was food left - hosts usually gave some to each of guests. If I went to my friend's house as a kid and there were dinner and there were leftovers - their mum always asked of I want to take some with me. It is both very nice and thoughtful - maybe other way it would not be eaten in time and wasted? What is there to be ashamed of? And yes, I was poor too. I just don't have so-called honour or pride or whatsoever society calls it.
I do understand that reaction. It's your job as a parent to take care of and provide for your kids and when you can't it just kills you inside
That was nothing to be ashamed of, and very caring and considerate of your friend's mum to help in the way she did.
The oldest kids babysit the youngest kids.
Haha I have 3 brothers (11, 5 and 4) and I share a bedroom with all of them. It's about 10 by 15 feet. I'm 14
Load More Replies...But it can't be an expectation without appreciation. The older children still need to be praised for their contribution (especially if money to reward them isn't an option) and allowed time to escape for their own enjoyment. Otherwise resentment fosters....
i am the oldest of 6 brothers and i had to always take care of my brothers although most of the time it wasn't a rule it was just something i did because i loved them and didn't want them to live without
Until I was 11 my parents were poor my mom was a stay home mom after she quit being a teacher and my dad was a fire forrest fighter and if he did not get a assignment there would be no christmas presents, but we moved after my dad was promoted to a big government job and my mom used her education degree to get a job at a university and the quality of life got way better but until then I thought sharing bedrooms and eating out was only on christmas eve was a world wide rule!
Isn’t this any household, poor or not? My family’s middle class and I’ve been raised that no matter what the eldest is in charge of the siblings. Not like a parent but if you have free time, and even if it intercedes with plans with a friend you are babysitting your siblings, no buts.
The fight against poverty is multifaceted and complex. Unfortunately, there isn’t a simple and clear-cut solution to the problem (if only printing more money didn’t result in greater inflation…). But it boils down to society providing support and opportunities for families that aren’t well off, as well as those same families doing everything in their power to get out of the so-called cycle of poverty.
Focusing on financial literacy, improving your education, aiming for a better job, finding a home closer to work and for less rent, reaching out to the community for help, getting rid of credit card debt bit by bit—all of these are small steps that can help move a family out of absolute poverty and into the working, middle, and even upper classes. This is, of course, far easier said than done. When you’re exhausted, hungry, and beaten down, it’s hard to find the energy and willpower to make even small changes—all you want is sleep, food, and a moment of peace.
Keep your aspirations to yourself. Telling anyone in your household/social strata about your plans to get out and do better may be met with bitterness and downright ridicule. People will call you uppity for wanting to go to school or stupid for having a career goal that isn't modest and local and vaguely dead-end. People will tell you that you have no common sense simply because you refuse to see the world in terms of pure survival.
This is called the "Crab Bucket" mentality. Ever try to pull a single crab out of a crab pot?
I have to say that I haven't! I can imagine though and, while I've not heard it called that, it does make sense.
Load More Replies...This is sad but very true. My grandmother was that way with her kids and grandkids. "You should realize that you are white trash." Tried to do better for myself and definitely pushed my kids to do/be better.
Sorry to go against the grain here but there is a book we studied in teacher inservice that was eye opening on the way people think in different economic levels. Poverty people live day to day. They are in survival mode. They are not trying to keep their kids there. It is the reality they live in. It is a me and my family against the world existence. So the teacher is the enemy and anyone else. You have to prove you are on their side and there to help not hurt them. That does not mean they won't still be suspicious of you or downright hostile at times. Their life is hard and they may have been through a lot and just trying to survive what life has thrown at them. Just keep showing compassion. The books are by Ruby Payne. The middle class assessments were spot on and the information on the upper class is enlightening too. I would recommend them to anyone anytime.
Thank you for this. It explains the 'them vs us' mentality I saw at elementary school, and why some kids were proud to get things wrong, & happily labelled themselves as stupid.
Load More Replies...This week my boyfriend told me that if we are poors, i just have to drop my master degree and go to work. He's an irakian refugee and considers that mansonry is a real job, archaeologia isn't. I'm the fisrt in my family making+5 at university and i was really upset.
I have been trying to figure out how to explain this to people for a long time now. It's hard to explain to people why you aren't as close with your family as them or how come you keep your plans to yourself. My issue was never bitterness or ridicule but the much larger expectations that they would jump to.
This is what's referred to as "crab bucket" (I first read it in a Terry Pratchett book, but it's a real thing). The story is that you can leave a bucket of crabs without a top because if one tries to climb out, the others will pull it back in.
I'd never heard of this before, but that's exactly what I was surrounded by as a kid... it explains so many of society's ills & divisions...
Load More Replies...Misery loves company, and when it can’t find any, it works really hard to try and create it.
Amen! It's wrong but I most certainly hear you. I can't tell you the number of times I heard about, "educated idiots" and the evils and massive debt of gong to college. I think the heart of it was knowing they couldn't afford to help me and not understanding how to help me get the help I needed. All my friends had supportive parents, gong in trips to campuses and applying for scholarships. I was just told, you'd better forget it because it's not happening. It's a waste of time and money anyway.
You're not hurt unless you're bleeding. If you are bleeding, don't bleed on the carpet.
Yup, and if you're ill and need to throw up, you'd better make it to the toilet because otherwise you'll be cleaning that puke up yourself, even though you're five.
Thank heaven for our British National Health Service, since 1948. Covid vaccinations paid for of course.
Going to the doctor isn't an option until your fever is sustained at 104, a bone is broken, or the tooth rotted and won't fall out on it's own.
I am in my late 30's with full insurance and still have a hangup about going for medical care.
As a Canadian, this hurts to here. Our healthcare system isn't perfect, but s**t, you guys deserve better. We still pay for ambulances, dental and pharmaceutical care, but not going to the emergency ward of a hospital because you can't afford it is f***ing bonkers to us north of the border.
Trust me, the American healthcare system is bonkers for us Europeans too.
Load More Replies...This is why public healthcare is so important. As a European I cannot understand how USA can call itself “first world” when it doesn’t care for the well-being of their poor citizens.
I'm from Ireland our health system isn't quite as bad as there is a cap on charges for hospital stats but you pay to see a doctor or for medicine many times in my life I've not gone to the doctor because I couldn't afford it so not all of Europe is good. I live in the uk now and the nhs is a great thing
Load More Replies...In the UK you pay nothing for medical care (including family doctor, ambulance, and hospital care) and you get fixed rate and heavily subsidised dental (free for low income, retired, up to 18, pregnant etc etc). All medication is fixed price (around $11 per medication) and again - is free for the above groups and also several other categories. And this is in a country mostly led by our equivalent of Republicans. From the outside, the US is morally bankrupt for the way you treat the poor and misfortunate.
Not all but in some hospitals in the UK you can walk in and have dental treatment for free. This is experience for student trainees under supervision of course.
Load More Replies...It really sticks with you. The knowledge, down to your bones, that walking into a doctors office is tantamount to writing a blank check and all of the anxiety that goes with that.
As a nurse in the UK I will never not be horrified by the idea that someone would avoid seeking medical attention simply because of their financial situation. I just can't get my head around how America thinks that's an acceptable situation for a population to be in.
I keep hearing about medical poverty and going bankrupt over medical bills. The rest of the world fortunately do not understand Breaking Bad, we are al luck enough to have no charge medicine. Tell everyone you know to lobby your representative, take the opportunity whilst you have a new president to change the system. Good luck.
i understand this... i remember having problems seeing since my first year of school but I got my first pair of glasses in my 7th. i also remember my little sister complaining a lot about tooth aches. Thankfully we're not in that place anymore, but my family had to pay a big price to get here. When I see people are not able to understand why the government should invest more (from "THEIR" taxpayer money) in affordable education and help programs for the poor my blood starts to boil, the "privileged" just dont seem to see how inhumane their way of thinking can be...
I hate this rule. this is how you lose people you love. "I'm fine the doctors wont do anything" isn't an excuse. Use that healthcare people! and my American brethren deserve free healthcare.
Poverty, real poverty, can have massive negative consequences on children as they’re growing up. Lacking access to proper food can lead to malnutrition. What’s more, poverty leads to inadequate health care and means that kids don’t have the same access to education (and later on, employment) as others.
Jicta’s thread got over 56.5k upvotes and over 17.2k comments which just goes to show that the topic is incredibly important to lots of redditors. And it’s a thread full of life lessons for all of us, no matter our background.
Not eating lunch because it you either "just ate breakfast" or "dinners only a few hours away you'll be fine"
Happened a lot back in college, luckily most of my classes started at 1 A.M so i could wake up late.
I've never really followed the idea of "dayparts" for meals. I have no breakfast, lunch, or dinner in my life. When hungry, I eat. When tired, I sleep. Of course, I'm also insane. But it's an edifying insanity
Now some schools are doing free lunch and breakfast to every student. Which is amazing.
Always having an excuse why you couldn’t go out with friends for a burger, a movie - anything that you had to pay to do.
Or eating ramen noodles three times a day because the total cost was $0.30.
What do you think, your ramen contents, if the portions are $0.30 AND the food company is prospering? Cooking a good meal for you and freeze portions and you know the content.
Load More Replies...Still happens to us old people on a fixed income. Even when we HAVE saved and invested for retirement. Uncle Sam just loves to take as much of it as he can!
I went to college and lost a stone in a term because i didn't know you could get free dinners from the canteen they had.
Ow.. This unexpectedly hurt the most... I think the last bit of innocence just left me, that was unseen from childhood... / weight and lack of eating issues in adulthood
Education is the only way out of the horrible situation. This was made very clear to me right from a young age. I remember everyone in my family checking in on my grades and plans for the future. Almost on a monthly basis! Helped my extensively in the long run.
Only if you lived near a relatively good school. If it were a school that had completely given up, great grades doesn't do much if you aren't actually learning the topic. Education equality should be a huge focus for this country.
You get out of an education what you put into it. I know people who went to top-ranked colleges that chose to party instead and are as dumb as a box of hair. I also know a brilliant engineer who went to a community college and worked her ass off. She's 29 and the lead engineer on a $400,000,000+ program.
Load More Replies...Yes, and unfortunately many children don't get that where I'm from, so it's a never ending cycle of poverty.
This was also something I realised early too, even when I was old enough to get a job. It was better to skip a shift and eat 2 minute noodles for a week than to miss a class or not hand in assigned work. Work was going to feed me for a day, but not for the rest of my life.
My mom went without a LOT to make sure we coudl go to a Catholic (read: not as crap as public) school. Tuition wasn't cheap, by a long shot (a whole $1,200 a year, which in my day was devastatingly expensive, for the record, for us), but Mom was determined, and that was that. Still can't thank her enough. A good solid elementary education was *gold*.
Same here. I went to a private Catholic school from k-8. My mom was a single mom and we had a little apartment (until she got remarried when I was about ten) and she drove a little awful omni but she made sure I had tuition. This was the '80's.
Load More Replies...My family traveled a LOT when I was growing up. I went to 9 different schools by the time I was in the 6th grade. 16 different schools by the time I graduated high school. Thankfully, my family placed a HIGH emphasis on education. When we were between schools or the schools weren't that good. We spent hours in libraries reading encyclopedias, history books, any books that would help us keep our brains sharp no matter the quality of the school. Mom didn't leave our schooling to the schools. I didn't with my kids either. Now, they don't with their kids. All of my Grandkids got their first library card at age three!
My parents were Depression kids. My mom grew up in the Ozarks. Her parents were educated but not well off and the schools she went to were not particularly good, but she always had books. She was always at the top of her class because her parents encouraged her. She was able to go to college because she had an aunt who was a doctor, single, with no children. This aunt paid for books and tuition for all her nieces and nephews. Mom had to work for room and board and there was no money for extras. Dad was a professor's kid but there was no money for extras either. They both graduated Phi Beta Kappa. Education was pounded into us.
This is great advice, but there are a lot of factors that can scuttle a person’s plans to get ahead in life, and crappy schools are just one of them. Most importantly though, the opportunities need to be present. Like one of the women from the movie Little Fires Everywhere says to her friend: “You didn’t make good choices! You had good choices!”
Museum, amusement park, skiing,and skating? That’s for rich people.
LOL. That's such a nice idea. No. Welcome to America. Also, very few of the major free-admission type museums are anywhere near about 1/2 the population, so.... Yep.
Load More Replies...when i was a kid, there was this small museum that allowed local kids in for free. You better believe I went there every chance I got, sometimes several times a week. Better than sitting at my friends place, watching all the toys she had and being reminded that I didn't have that... On the upside, I developed a lifelong fascination with dinosaurs, so theres also that^^ When life withholds cool barbies, go for giant lizards *lol*
Our family trips were mom, dad, and 4 kids in the station wagon. We'd drive west to Colorado & see Pikes Peak, Royal Gorge, or one of the national parks - all free. Then drive south to New Mexico & visit my mom's brother & go to White Sands Nat'l. Park - free. The next year, we'd reverse the same trip - drive to New Mexico, the up to Colorado & then home. The highlight of my life was when we actually flew to the U.S. Virgin Islands for a week - my dad worked for an airline & we could have flown all over the country on employee passes but he refused to until the year before I graduated high school.
Check your local library, chances are they have museum passes you can borrow. Mine certainly does and if you are in the library's catchment area, your library card is free.
every museum I go to has a free day, heck that's when I always plan to go to make things easier
we didnt have a lot of money, but we saw every single amusement park and musea when we were young. (but only a few times) We did bring our own food and drinks. Skating? outside our house on the frozen ditches.
museums are free here.. id love to go skiing.. but that is for rich people
Reading through the thread and all of the responses can hit you like a truck. Some of us remember being in those exact same situations. While others (who had the luck of living a comfortable middle or even upper-class life) realized just how emotionally tough you have to be when you’re poor. There’s no room for whining or weakness when you’ve no money, have piling debts, and aren’t sure where your next meal will be coming from or if you’ll end being evicted.
Homemade birthday cakes, homemade pizza, we NEVER went out to eat. Fast food/restaurants were a waste of money. Soda was a treat, as was sugared cereal. You got sox and undies as stocking stuffers at Christmas. You wore your clothes 2-3 times before washing them unless they were obviously dirty or smelly. You washed and dried zipper bags to reuse. We never used paper towels to clean.
Unless its one of those tremendously delicious things that I could never bring myself to make the "restaurant way" at home.
Load More Replies...This doesn't sound like poverty to me. I mean: I'm sure it was, but this is how we should ALL behave to avoid pollution, waste, and to eat healthy. Homemade food is better, sugary sodas are bad for your health. You grew up healthier than you rich friends!
Thumbs up for a thousand times!!! That's the truth! Environmental protection and Health. We must be the change, the end of more and more. THERE IS NO PLANET B.
Load More Replies...I do this also, and I’m middle class. Reusing things should be a general rule.
Why would you wash your clothes after every wear? Don't get that. They will wear out so quickly and it;s expensive to run the washing machine so often.
When I lived in the states I use to get my kids gorgeous custom made birthday cakes for under $20, hello Walmart and Costco. Now I live in NZ and a standard, nothing special off the shelf cake start at $35+. All my kids cakes are homemade now. They all really appreciate them too, which makes it special.
Number one rule of growing up poor. Avoid buying anything nice for yourself and feel absolutely guilty if you do.
yeh thats me now, i glue and sew and repair all my clothes but if someone wants anything lol im throwing money at them
It took me a while to get out of that mindset. The first time I bought a nice jacket, it cost a hundred something dollars, twenty years ago, (I still have it. It’s out of fashion but very warm!) I couldn’t stop thinking about how much money I’d spent. I don’t regret spending the money so long ago, but I still sometimes think about it!
Load More Replies...It has taken me DECADES to get over this one. When I started my own business, some of my clients were of the "prosperity" mindset - meaning everyone deserves to be wealthy, they shouldn't be ashamed of having money and nice things, etc. I had a really hard time with that for a long time. I'm not wealthy now, and probably never will be, and I'm ok with that. But I've reached the point where if I feel like buying myself something nice, and I have the disposable income to do it, then I do it, and don't feel a bit guilty about it. I figure, I've taken care of others since I was 17 - kids, spouse, spouse's family, spouse's elderly parents, MY elderly parents, adult kids who kept coming back home until I put a stop to that...it's time for *me* now. I still help my adult kids when they really need it, and do things for my grandkids, but I'm not supporting anyone but myself, so if I want something, I get it.
Good for you! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I’m currently taking care of my mom. We grew up poor, and she sacrificed a lot for herself, to make sure we had everything we needed. I’m not rich, but I pay as many of her expenses as i can get away with, so she can spend as much of her pension as she wants, on stuff that makes her happy!
Load More Replies...I still do this. The other side of this (which I still do) is hoarding old/worn out/broken stuff on the off chance you'll find a use for it later.
My parents grew up during the Great Depression, and boy did they ever hang onto 'stuff'. Not to a hoarding extent, but if something still had a bit of use left in it, it went on a shelf in the garage or in a box in the basement! And I have to be strict about getting rid of stuff now!
Load More Replies...This one got me in the gut--guilt for enjoying life in any way--Im weening myself slowly...
Load More Replies...I used to feel this way. But a budget broke me free of that. Now a percentage (small percentage) of my income is my allowance. Much like the $0.25 a week I had as a kid, it doesn't have to be spent on bills, gas, or groceries.
Exactly! A budget really helped me get out of that mindset. Pay my bills first, and then save a portion, and then buy something I like with what’s left.
Load More Replies...At least someone else understands why I never buy anything for myself.
Right? My husband gets so frustrated with me sometimes because I won't buy things I want. I talk myself out of buying something, or bargain in my head. Like, I COULD buy this for myself, BUT I should spend this money on my kids instead, or buy something we need for the house. It's taken many years to get used to the idea that it's okay and we can afford to buy things (clothes, for example) for my kids AND me.
Load More Replies...i was 35 before i started buying things i wanted for myself. i was so used to just having what i needed- and the cheapest at that- i just couldn't see the point of buying things i wanted. now i spend about $500 a year on clothes and shoes and don't have to feel guilty either.
This one is a punch in the chest. My dad worked like a dog at GM for 30 years and totally ruined any new thing he ever bought himself, from jeans to automobiles. Sad because he never enjoyed the fruits of his labor.
In the UK- do not answer the door. Do not answer the phone. When the man is looking through the window, make sure you can't be seen. Do not tell anyone who knocks on the door where the parents work.
This turned out to be doorstep lenders like Provident- no idea how they are still around these days.
We used to do this when the Jehovah’s Witnesses were in the neighborhood. My mother had us turn off the lights, the TV, and our music, and close the curtains and lock all the doors, then hide out of sight from outside, and stay still until they left. Once they were totally gone, we could go back to normal. We weren’t alone in this. Amazing to see an entire neighborhood shut down, just so they wouldn’t have to interact with the most tenacious proselytizers who were impossible to get out of your house if you make the mistake of opening your door to them. (Sorry if there are any Jehovah’s Witnesses reading this, but please know that your forebears would not take No for an answer, and were so intrusive with their proselytizing, that people used to hide from them. I haven’t seen it in a long time, so assume you don’t do it anymore.)
Just tell them you were kicked out of the church. They'll take you off of their list.
Load More Replies...They're referring to a bill collector. Someone to whom you owe money.
Load More Replies...My mama always said I don't care if the police are at the door you don't ever open it if I'm gone.
In the US, if "the man is looking through the window", he's gonna' get shot! It's NOT a wise move to do that at all! LMAO!
I just open the door and tell them to f**k off. Like hell, I'm going to hide in my own damn home!
LOL. You really made me laugh at this one. People in the office think I've lost it!
Load More Replies...I used to joke around with the missus on this one. If ever we were expecting Bailiffs i suggested we change our door number with the neighbors.
We had no phone to answer in an emergency we had to run to a neighbor who had a phone to call for help.
Most of the time people hid to avoid the confrontation but many things used to be bought on the 'never never' (hire purchase) - TVs, cookers etc. If a person fell behind on payments -and not necessarily far behind - they would sometimes come and take it.
Here in the UK i know that bailiffs cant take your white goods - Fridge, cooker....
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You get a job when you’re 15, and it becomes more important than high school.
At least one. And unofficial jobs before that. Cleaning or delivery or something.
Mother would get babysitting jobs for us when we were 12 or at least looked 12. We would give the money to her hoping it would help our brothers and sisters.
Started my first job as a waitress at the age of 12. My unschooled dad always said women work as waitresses, secretaries and get married young and have a family. Writing this brings back the pain of being poor. Well, ole dad got it wrong all 5 kids got educations on their own. We are/were business owners, educators, and I became a nurse and health care administrator. EDUCATION is the key and it does not have to be an expensive 4+year school.
Nice! I did so myself at 14! I'm 63 now and still going!
Load More Replies...I dated a guy who lived with his single mother and younger brother. He went to work every day after school to help pay the bills. He did his homework in the middle of the night and usually only got a few hours of sleep. He was so kind and hardworking, I always wished his family could get a break, but as a teenager I didn't know how to help.
In my village it is normal to start working from 15. School is still important so each day after school, we ate, did homework and then we worked a couple of hours. 8 weeks school vacation meant 8 weeks of working 5 days. Not because we had to, but because the basics where simple: Your parents pay for food, school, clothes and a roof above your head. You want an XBOX? Fine, work for it.
I remember the summer after I turned 12, mom said, I'm not buying your school clothes. You're going to have to get a job. I did, been busting my ass ever since.
Keep your hair brushed, your clothes clean, and be articulate and polite in all circumstances. We were not going to be "trash" just because we were poor.
Take care of your teeth too. Fixing them later is crazy expensive, even if you're not poor.
my mom wanted to get me braces... i rejected when i had the chance, now i wanna get my teeth fixed cuz of gum probs and just want some braces.... kids DONT EAT TOO MUCH CANDY! i totally agree with Tami here
Load More Replies...I like this one. Because you don't have the possessions that others have doesn't mean you have to look a mess and be impolite. It don't cost anything to wash and have manners.
You can be poor as church mice and still have more class in your little finger than a lot of "rich" folk.
We weren't allowed to do any kind of extra curricular activities. So, no instruments, no joining any kind of sports or girl scouts or anything that required an upfront investment for uniforms or the season. Walmart shoes.
My dad once said I wasn't really in need of glasses, that I just wanted to look like all my four eyed friends? lol (spoiler alert, totally needed them)
Off brand everything.
yep, i grew up poor in post soviet country, so no walmart, but can relate to pretty much everything
We had markets for that didn't we. Oh, the memories of trying on jeans in winter. In, effectively, the tent.
Load More Replies...Girl scouts was the only extracurricular I was allowed because uniforms weren't mandatory they were optional.
Didn't you still have additional costs for activities? Person not allowed to join because of 'costs' here. ☹
Load More Replies...The Cub Scout pack I volunteer for has a policy of not turning ANY scout away for financial reasons, as well as loaner equipment for scouts that either need gear or forget theirs. Fees right now for a new scout from National are around $100, and close to $70 for a returning scout. We'll give anyone who takes time to write an essay (no minimum length) $50 toward their fees, no questions asked, and if we have any idea at all that its needed we pay it all for them. No weekly dues, or advancement fees, and lots of opportunities to earn a new uniform if you either don't have one of have outgrown it.
I grew up poor and ignored so I got nothing and learned not to ask for anything. Today I am still poor but I can buy name brand sneakers on sale so I won lots of them no because I can.
I'm really lucky, from UK and grow up poor and didn't do anything after school. But my children's school was in a targeted deprived areas and 90% of activities and music lessons were free
My shoes were hand-me-downs and always to small for my feet but you don't complain just happy to have a pair of shoes.
When I was in the 9th grade, I needed to upgrade my flute because my level had outstripped a beginner flute capabilities and my playing was suffering for it. I didn't want to 'bother' my parents with the request, so I made a deal with a couple of friends who's parents had purchased them brand new models. We cleaned the inside between uses ourselves (had our own rags), but I would clean, maintain, and polish the outside when I used them. Learned how to repair flutes so they didn't have to take them in except to replace the pads.
Ok when you say walmart shoes those ones are good but if you go to a thrift store people will just give away brand new stuff and you can get it for like 2 bucks
Never fill up the gas tank. You don't want to be in a situation where you have gas in your car but no groceries.
Never go under a quarter tank because you can't trust the gauges on older cars and it won't cost you as much as when it's on E
I do this now. Never drop below half a tank. It costs less to just top it off.
Load More Replies...That kind of depends on your personal situation. I live 30-40 minutes from everything and can't just get rides if I'm out of things, and I know I'm not the only one who has been in that situation. Live on ramen if need be but make sure you don't leave yourself stuck.
My useful tip: FILL UP the tank once and treat half a tank as 'empty' and fill it back up. Handy in case of an unexpected trip or emergency!
If you have enough money to full it up in the first place. My car takes about £35 to fill up (that's just shy of $50us, it's a small car). £35 is more than some families weekly grocery budget.
Load More Replies...23rd December I had a massive meltdown at a petrol station. I’d forgotten my PIN for my debit card and my old card had expired. I couldn’t pay by contactless because you have to use the card with the PIN first. No cash, no other cards. Over 50 years old and I had to ring my dad to come and rescue me and pay for the petrol. Times like this you realise what a spectacular failure you’ve become. Gave the extended family a good laugh though.
It costs more the first time you full up though, and some people never have enough to fill up to the top half.
Load More Replies...Actually, we did the reverse. We'd sooner have had groceries. that said, in a pinch, we could grab a ride from neighbors, b/c, y'know. We were all in the same (sinking?) boat.
than sell your car and buy groceries, you can't survive with your car, well with your groceries
My mom was pissed when gas got over $1/gallon because she would put in $1 worth. After the price increase she had to put $2 worth of gas in.
Generous borrowing and “burning” culture. Everything you own is available to be borrowed by other poor people. My family had an extensive movie collection (especially when we could record movies from cable to VHS tapes), and our neighborhood friends were welcome to borrow what they needed. Games, movies, CDs. We swapped and borrowed a lot. Often times, it was only long enough to burn a copy to have for oneself.
Story of my life. Also - becoming an expert on finding pirated copies of movies, software, video games (and cracks for them)...
There was always someone selling pirates down the market. Keeping their eyes peeled for the old bill. A bit like Delboy Trotter.
Load More Replies...I get most of my DVDs and books from Poundland not that i get much time to watch them.
Especially books. Education and knowledge is one thing easily shared and can never be taken from you.
I read books on the bus and when i have finished it i leave it on the bus for the next person with a note saying " Brilliant book. Enjoy"
Load More Replies...This! Bootleg everything! The first time I saw The Terminator I was 15, and it was at our neighbors house, cuz they’d just bought a VCR, and invited my mom, and all three of us over for popcorn, and a movie! Their house was a horrible mess, but we sat around the coffee table, and it was still awesome!
Hahaha, in the VHS days, we recorded three movies to a tape, because the tapes were so expensive. LOL Seems like such a small expense now. LOL
We had a 'chipped' PlayStation 1 and could get pirated games for £5 each. Ahh, the good old (albeit poor) days...
I remember my dad renting two VHS players so he could 'burn' some movies for us kids. (And some dirty ones for himself, as we kids would later find.)
keep your gas tank full, fill it at 3/4, then you will never run out on the way to work!
Although I was an avid bookworm, I didn't buy a book until i was an adult. We could afford a library card, and that was it.
Most meals were "experiments" made from the food we got from the food pantry.
Survival meals that are still eaten to this day, but not so much as an experiment anymore
Kraft Macaroni & Cheese w/ ketchup. It's honestly not bad.
Load More Replies...My sister did this a lot when she was on food stamps. They're doing better now, but she created some very inventive dishes!
Your sister knew the big picture and was obviously grateful for the hands up and stretched it for her family's benefit. Unfortunately these days, too many food stamp recipients see their monthly "fortune" (usually $500+ for a single mother with 2 kids) as license to purchase processed, pre-cooked and unhealthy foods that a struggling individual could never afford to regularly buy on simple income. Don't believe me? Watch the shoppers on FS deposit day. Not just the contents of their carts but the girth of the adults and children alike. I've witnessed it firsthand with close family members.
Load More Replies...When i was a kid i wasn't given an option what i wanted for dinner. It was cooked and put in front of me and i was made to eat it whether i liked it or not. My grandkids get an option of what they want and even then they don't always finish it.
Haha! So true. But I have become such a creative cook as an adult because of these weird experiment meals....Now, I throw meals together out of things that plenty of people have called "nothing" and those same people think the meals I make are great and ask for recipes (but the truth is, I almost always use what is on hand and never have recipes)
it can be fun sometimes, heres a recipe my brothers made when all we had was eggs and microwave ramen with a really bad flavoring pack-- they soaked the ramen in water, without the flavoring pack, and mixed eggs like they were going to make an omelete or scrambled eggs. when the ramen is soft, spread it on a pan, pour the egg over it, and let it cook until the egg is all done. make sure to watch it, though, because it doesnt smoke and caused many a burned ramen taco (what they called it)
I used to do this - adding some defrosted frozen peas with the egg. It was all I ate after a bad break up so I have mixed memories of it.
Load More Replies..."Free" food was not available in S, Calif, when I was growing up. You paid for it or you grew it or friends might have a garden. That was it!
I still make tortilla chips sprinkled with shredded whatever cheese we have and dried minced onion. If we were lucky I could throw cut up lunch meat in there. I always fried it a bit before adding it to my "nachos"
Going to fast food (with any adult), you only order off of the dollar menu.
I always order off the dollar menu no matter how much money I have or if I'm with someone its just better in my opinion
Often the kids menu has portions that are cheaper, and a better, more normal, size roo.
Load More Replies...Manzes pie and mash with liquor very filling. Crapdonalds cheap but hungry again half an hour later!
Unless you are only getting 1 item off the dollar menu it can end up being more expensive than just getting a meal.
I always order from the dollar menu because I don't want my mom paying 20 bucks for my meal and we have 6 ppl in our family so if she paid 20 bucks for each that would be way to much when we could have made the same thing from home for cheaper
The dollar menu wasn't a thing when I was a kid but I do remember Burger King having "twofer" weekends. On Fridays & Saturdays, Whoppers were bogo.
That's a good rule for travel: cheap and fast and not a budget buster.
Its funny now seeing my leftovers as a bonus snack and not part of the next days meal.
Had some weird lunches packed for me. Like cream cheese and olives in a burrito wrap.
Especially if they were Greek-style olives, like Kalamata.
Load More Replies...Cream cheese and olives in a burrito wrap actually sounds pretty delish, tbh.
Cream cheese and chopped olive is a very retro sandwich filling. As is chopped maraschino cherries and cream cheese. And mashed canned asparagus with cream cheese. They really liked cream cheese in the 50s, apparently, but those fillings really are delcicious.
Dad used to find odd things on sale. We had months of cheese bread and tuna because he found a sale.
I absolutely loved the cream cheese green olive burrito wrap when I was growing up! My mom would also make us "cinnamon rolls" with cream cheese and cinnamon on white bread that she'd roll up and cut into little spirals and then toast in the oven. I also know how to make anything from a can, a box, or frozen food.
I can relate to every one of these examples. I had a cream cheese and olive sandwich yesterday
Don't talk to anyone about it. Its shameful. Me and my sibling weren't allowed to enjoy free breakfast programs for kids living in poverty that our schools hosted because it embarrassed my family. Granted we grew up not just poor but abused so that played into it.
This I cannot figure out. I don't remember anyone ever saying not to talk about not having food or being hungry. You just didn't, somehow the silence was in the fabric of our lives.
I’m so thankful that our school offers free breakfast for every student, our kids don’t need it & rarely take one, but it’s just a thing. Everything cN get one for free.
Every once in a while, you'd find a staggeringly good deal on something and just buy it in bulk. Suddenly you'd have to figure out how to eat eight zucchinis before they went bad, or make gnocchi every meal for two weeks. This also ties into the "know a guy" situation, as if a friend or relative found one of those deals and wound up with a pallet of squid or something, they'd pass the luck around and just give you some of the excess - and of course, you'd be expected to do the same when you wound up with a basement full of salami.
it might just be because i live like this, but i cant imagine not doing that
I ended up with 10lbs of ground veal that was in the "this stuff expires tomorrow" bin at the grocery store, for less than $2/lb. I think I've finally eaten all of it, but many, many meals were had from that.
Load More Replies...My father discovered that the butcher puts back and freezes meat that turns dark or no longer looks fresh, although there was nothing wrong with it. Whenever he got hold of some of the 'off-meat' we used to giggle over eating 'steak' just like rich folks!!
OMG...the concord grape incident of 1975. Mom enjoyed canning and preserving foods for our family of 6, and her friends all knew it. During the summer of 1975, a well-meaning friend gave mom several bushels of concord grapes. Mom made grape juice. She had one of those huge old Mirro canners with the "jiggler" steam valve on the top (about 2", round, extremely heavy metal disc). She made the juice, loaded the canner with jars, sealed it, and let it do its thing. About 10 minutes later, there was a BANG from the kitchen - we ran in to see a GEYSER OF GRAPE JUICE shooting out of the top of the canner, hitting the ceiling & raining down all over the kitchen. Everything was purple. One of the jars broke in the canner & the resulting pressure buildup caused the jiggler to shoot off the top of the canner, hit the ceiling, and the juice to come shooting out. Mom had purple kitchen towels for years from the cleanup, and there's still a small dent in the kitchen ceiling to this day.
My brother in law was an engineer for refrigerated lorries. Sometimes the problems he got called out for took so long to put right that the food being transported was in danger of going off and wouldn’t be accepted by the recipient nor returned to the distribution centre so he was able to take anything he fancied, as was the driver. He often got so much that it was distributed to all the family. I was really annoyed when he got another job.
My father was constantly driving these two things into my head since I was old enough to remember: 1). Hard Work will set you free 2). You WILL NOT get anyone pregnant. He never meant that hard work would make you rich. He meant that if you're willing to work hard, you can always work some s**t job that puts food on the table, and you'll be so exhausted by days end, you can rest. In my father's eyes food on the table and a good night's rest was all a person really needed. The pregnancy thing was totally about shame. He grew up in the deep south with a Baptist preacher father. My father was around 6-7 in the early 1950's when his oldest brother (15) got a girl (18) in the church preggo. The resulting shame and shunning from the community that ensued drove my father's mother to suicide. I'm sure to some degree, he blames his current life on the pregnancy that he had nothing to do with.
I feel so sad that he blames the pregnant couple for his mums suicide and not the toxic community that shamed her into dying.
"The resulting shame and shunning from the community ..." He blames the community.
Load More Replies...Don’t ask for anything. The disappointment on their face (disappointment at not being able to say yes) is worse than being told no. This isn’t meant to sound harsh or mean, it’s just something you pick up on if things are especially rough. You want to get them something they want but you just can’t. Not a fun experience.
It's interesting for me, as an adult, trying to recreate some of the recipes from my childhood and realizing just how little they cost. The thing with the peas and kielbasa? Five bucks for frozen peas, five bucks for the meat, onions from the garden and homemade stock. The delicious cacciatore, stir fries and soups all came from buying a cooked chicken from the supermarket on sale and then wringing every ounce of nutritional value out of the thing that we could.
I've found that the hot roasted chickens you can buy at the grocery store are actually a pretty good value, especially considering how many meals they can be turned into.
Load More Replies...i love it when my parents find old (but still edible) leftovers and mix them perfectly so that theyre a new meal
Chicken and ground beef are such staples because of how cheap they are, and that's why so many dishes use them. And let's not forget split pea soup, the epitome of affordable: split peas, carrots, celery, boil 'em together and grind 'em out into a soup that feeds a family for a few days on a few dollars.
We knew the exact date of grocery shopping because that's when the food stamps came in.
If the phone rings and mom doesn’t answer it, it’s probably the bill collectors. Same with the front door and why the curtains aren’t open.
Not have enough blankets at bed time in the winter. No central heating, used to wake up with ice on the inside of the windows and on the windowsills. I was shocked to be in a hot house in winter when I went round friends.
..and old socks/other clothes went around windows to keep as much heat in as possible
"Jack Frost" visiting overnight and leaving beautiful patterns on your window. Our bedrooms were so cold. Not even a method to heat them with - let alone only putting it on rarely because of cost. Nothing. We had two hot water bottles. Two younger go to bed with hot water bottle a-piece to take chill off our beds, then pass the hot water bottles to two older siblings and they wouldn't even be able to get them re-heated or topped up with hotter water.
This --- growing up in the upper Midwest. There were nights when I went to bed with my winter coat on.
The woodwork on the windows in my bedroom when I was a teenager was so rotten I could stick my finger out in some places. In winter I used to sleep in pyjama's, two pairs of socks, a jumper, sometimes even a hat if I was really cold, and fingerless gloves, under a duvet and two old sleeping bags. I still have the habit of wearing lots of layers when I sleep and my fiancé thinks it's really weird.
I wasn't dirt poor, but I grew up hanging out with my grandparents most of the time (any number of fucked up situations at home). My grandparents were italian immigrants that came to America during the great depression. So as an almost 40 year old in 2021, I have the values of someone three generations past. Everything about actually surviving life I learned from my grandfather. The one thing I remember most is he would say "Nothing in life is free, boy" And I remember as a kid being like "what are you talking about Papa? They're giving out free hot dogs right over there!" (if you sign up for a bank account, or whatever it was) He would just smile and chuckle to himself, knowing that I would understand soon enough. He was right. While this was very true and definitely prevented me from getting in some bad situations, I'm also rather stunted when it comes to asking for help, and prefer to do things myself. Also it's funny to see the trend of high class restaurants cooking the same food my grandmother cooked because it was dirt cheap and charging an arm and a leg.
Everyone in Europe of the same age grew up with grandparents like that. Mostly because of WW2. My grandparents were thrifty, but the “Nothing in life is free“ attitude is extremely Anerican to me and touted mostly by people who are far from poor to deny actual poor people access to necessities.
Once in high school, I said, 'the best things in life are free,' (no doubt I'd heard that from TV), and a boy demanded that I name one thing. I was speechless. LOL
Clothes? Thrift store.
Plus family friends. I wore a lot of boy's clothes because a family friend's son was a similar size and age.
Load More Replies...Hand-me-downs - the clothes used to go up one side of the street and then down the other, if they stayed in good shape, based on the age and size of the kids.
I still have lots of hand me downs I got when I was a teen. We had a super lovely neighbour who went through her closet twice a year and gave us anything she didn't want anymore, whatever we didn't want/couldn't fit into we had to give to a charity shop. Once she gave me a pair of barely worn Adidas sneakers, which I wore until they fell apart last year, after more than ten years. Now that I'm a bit better off, I actually prefer getting my clothes from charity shops, because I hate the fashion industry with a fiery passion and I want to put the least possible amount of money into it.
For me it is good to buy in second-hand stores, you can find really good clothes, of quality with little use, and even new, not to mention the hand-woven wool sweaters! For me, even the target clothes are expensive, and it's not that I can't afford to buy new clothes, I do it only when necessary, but why pay obscene amounts of money for something that you get super cheap, and that otherwise would be thrown away to the garbage, I am a recycler of soul.
That's tough if you're male though. Men have a tendency to wear clothes until they are so threadbare they evaporate and float away. The last time I went to Goodwill I think they had two pairs of pants in my size (and neither of them were "good"). But if you have a 28" waist, or a 54" waist, there's always a good selection.
Hand me downs. Hated going to my cousins as they would recognize their clothes.
me and my sister always raid the second-hand store in our town... 3 dollars for a big paper bag of clothes is great! and roll up your clothes instead of folding them and you can fit more in the bag
My husbands family wasn’t rich, but they were comfortable. They went out to eat and always ordered appetizers and dessert. Meanwhile we were lucky to go out to eat at all. To this day, I still hate ordering appetizers at a restaurant. It just goes against the grain for me.
I think I've never been to a restaurant and ordered appetizers AND dessert. I'm a size 5XL but mostly a main dish makes me feel full, let alone ordering another two (though small) courses. On occasion a soup/appetizer OR a dessert.
the only time anyone eats out is either my parents on their anniversary. last time i had a real time eating out was on my middle school graduation at a cheap chinese restaurant nearby
I was the scholarship/grant kid at a wealthy private school. So I was never allowed to invite people home because we didn't have a mansion like everyone else did. Legit, when I went to sleepovers, they were in mansions. Homes I still haven't seen the likes of in my adult life among peers. Just old money type homes. I could make playdates for the mall or the movies or we could meet at the amusement park my mom got free tickets to. But don't invite them home. And if you're getting dropped off, any excuse for them no to come inside. At least they can imagine it's bigger or more opulent inside.
This is honestly just sad. It would have benefitted those rich kids to see a normal home once in their life.
This. Went to prep school. Partied at homes of the wealthy parents. Kids had no idea about money. Could drop 150 pounds sterling on a courduroy skirt on Bond Street (1979 money) and another 300 on a pair of leather trousers (creme no less) and I barely had any money to buy a hair comb and a mending kit in Harrods.
Never ever EVER ask for anything at someone else’s house, even family. You may accept if asked, but otherwise it’s a whuppin’. This has made it extremely hard as an adult to interact in a world where you’re pretty much expected to say something if you want something. Also made me extremely judgmental (and let’s face it, a little jealous) of folks who never have any issues asking for what they want. Spoiled brats, the lot of ‘em!
Relate so much to this... Guess how many times I've been thinking "Oh I'd like that/want that" but kept quite, and later when it came out "how I felt", they've answered: "But why didn't you say something?"
A real treat was getting donuts and chocolate milk in the morning.
me and my cousins when we visit for xmas have a huge sleepover and before we wake up the "Doughnut dude"&"chocolate milk fairy" come and drop off breakfeast chocolate milk and Doughnuts. one year my and closest cousin in age there woke up early and saw our g-pa go to the store and come back with... BREAKFEAST
donut mornings are the best mornings. at the non-murderously-expensive gas station over here, they sell a donut for a dollar, and day-old donuts for only $0.50
Take care of your stuff and keep it nice because you're not getting more of it if you break it. I've got a Pokemon soundtrack CD from it was the Pokemon movie that had Entei into the unknown in it I don't remember what the name of the movie was though I think it came out in like 2004 yeah so I'm 28 now I've had that CD since I was a kid at one point I gave it to my sister who's 24 so she was a decent amount younger than I was when I gave it to her and then recently she found it and asked if I wanted it back and I said sure The cover art and everything that was paper is pretty worn but the CD itself is in pristine condition and it doesn't have scratches all over it and it works perfectly fine and this CD is well over a decade old and was passed between two young children and had a lot of use out of it. I've got many other things from my childhood that was passed between me and my sister that is still an amazing condition because we were told if you break it you're not getting another one
Having a car in high school. I went to a high school with a lot of upper middle class over achievers. I was the only kid on the varsity baseball team who didn't have a car, couldn't afford one, no family car to borrow and had to ride my bicycle to practice. I was also socially awkward and had no friends on the team to ask for a ride. I was a good player but withdrawn and never got on well with teammates. I became the guy who enters every room feeling like everyone there already knows each other.
When you can't fully participate with your 'peers' growing up because of a poverty disparity, really takes a toll on ones social skills and social circle.
Which affects your ability to network and make connections that could help you escape the cycle of poverty.
Load More Replies...High school kids don't have cars here (Poland). You get your license when you're 18. Parents either drop the kids off at school or get them to use public transportation. Having your own car as a teen always seemed excessive to me, but I guess it's pretty normal in the US.
Try that in the horse world. oof. The imposter syndrome is not only in your head, but in the way people treat you!
My brothers and I got around that problem by living all of 15 minutes away from my high school. We'd literally just walk down the street, go through a fenced cross-over, and walk across the baseball field and track to get to school.
Cold? Put on more layers. Hot? Stand in front of a fan.
Not being able to wash your clothes until you could do a full, and I mean FULL machine. Getting a stain on a fresh shirt meant scrubbing it with soap over the sink.
I didn't grow up poor and I'm not poor now and I don't run a washing machine that's half empty. That would just be wasteful.
My mother washed everything by hand. No washing machine. We had a second hand one briefly and that was a luxury! Then it broke down and that was it again.
Same here! My mom was always hand washing everything and I started to help her when I got old enough. And they never used the dish washer
Load More Replies...Ask before you get ANYTHING to eat
This was law at my grandparents. Except when I asked, I was told I was a F*****g orphan, I didn't f*****g belong and to get the f**k out. Yes, I was adopted, my adult cousins were assholes. I spent a lot of time in the backyard eating apricots and peaches I picked off the tree...
I'm so so sorry, that is just awful no child should ever be spoken to that way!
Load More Replies...You eat when your mom puts there food on the table. That was it, nothing else.
The expectation that you should be overwhelmingly grateful for absolutely everything at all times (actual objects, services, attention) really takes a life long toll on you. Has a way of making you feel forever 'less than'.
Fortunately I didn't get that from my parents. If we didn't want something, we wouldn't be deprived of other things as punishment; we just didn't get that thing. Not that we got a better thing instead, but seeing as we had allowances, we could save up for something if it was really that important for us to have it.
Been there. Mom took me shopping for school clothes at the beginning of junior high. Tried to pick out this mickey mouse shirt with matching shorts. When I told her I'd get beat up wearing that, she threw all the clothes she'd pick out down in the middle of the store isle and dragged me out of the store by my shirt screaming at me for being an ungrateful bastard.
It sucked to have to have a computer for school but not be able to afford it.
my parents thought i didnt need mine for school, when 2 outta my 3 classes are completely online, and they took it away. i literally have to sneak it around the house
They don't seem to understand that you need it... Invite them to join you for your online class so that they get it.
Load More Replies...College? You’re paying and you sure as hell aren’t there to dump your money to party or for an “experience”. There are cheaper ways to do all that.
I had a roommate in college that completely stopped going to any classes after the third week of the second semester of our freshman year, (first year in college.) She didn't say anything to her parents about this until she flunked out, of college, at the end of the semester. In case you are wondering, she spent the rest of that semester, partying, i.e. drinking, going out with friends, drinking some more, and so forth. So, if you went to college, and earned your degree because you knew better than to waste the opportunity that you worked hard to pay for, then you came out ahead of the deal.
When I expressed interest in college (just a 2 year program, but 2 hrs away from home) apparently my dad told my mom that they wouldn't be paying for it, my mom disagreed and told him they would be 'helping' and they did. I got a loan for each year (and fully repaid it) and I had a part time job (32 hours a week) after I graduated and was working, I also repaid that loan from my parents
never ever ask for money.
We were given a quarter to put in the church collection. God help the kid who tried to pocket that quarter.
A/C was only for company. I lived in S. Florida and didn’t know I could use the air conditioner without having someone over until I moved out of my parents home.
Im still poor! Do what you need to do before doing what you want to do. And then my mom would order take out, go to the movies, buy junk and then cry 3 days later because we dont have enough to pay a bill or bills like rent, water or electric. I never had proper pants because my legs are so long and after 2 washes i was wearing high waters. She still does this too! Complains to me and my kids when we buy something with whatever little money, like toys or hair dye, yet she spent the money the insurance company gave her to replace the roof of the house with to go to a supernatural convention. So we get rained on in our house with as many leaks as there is! Yet it is everybody else who needs to save to fix the roof, not her.
My birth mom pulled this same crap. She still has multiple closets stuffed with clothes she hasn't been able to wear for decades, all bought on credit cards she's probably still paying on. Meanwhile, I had exactly ONE pair of hand me down jeans my uncle gave me. Wore them every single day for a year. Never got washed. Grandma finally washed them and they fell apart in the machine. My uncle gave me some old jeans and a few button up shirts, a few of which I still have.
The only thing worse than someone who is well-off and flaunts it is someone who can barely get by who constantly tries to show off how "rich" they are to everyone. A new Porsche does not impress me. If it were a well-maintained older car, I would be far more impressed.
I can’t comprehend buying expensive clothes and even cheaper clothes I need to get on sale. Getting only one new school outfit a year as a kid makes me appreciate being able to buy clothes now but paying a lot for one item still doesn’t make sense.
I can't buy them in a store unless it is super sale (like 70% off) . I go second hand.
I still get all my clothes second hand, bar essentials (undergarments, socks etc) I can't bring myself to spend so much on clothes. But I also make a huge effort to get my kids clothes new if possible, and I have a kind relative who sends nice fashionable clothes for him for xmas/bday. He does seem to appreciate it though. Mind you when I was a kid there was no cheap parallel imports: clothes were much more expensive than today
Load More Replies...You had a garden. You just... did
My grandma was one of the few people who got a crop of potatoes in a drought in 1976. She used to send us to collect seaweed which she dug into the soil to retain moisture.
I have not had luck with herbs. Can grow almost anything else, but herbs.
Load More Replies...if you get a bag of onions and one of them starts growing on its own AW YEA GET THAT SUGAR WATER WE GROWING THIS ONE
Vacations for leisure. LOL
No holidays at all. Never had one as a child. Not even in the same country. My father didn't take time off from work - he'd take the odd day off to take us to the seaside in our clapped out old banger that would break down half way there. He'd then walk miles to get a part to fix it - no calling a garage or rescue service. If he couldn't fix it we'd be walking. Only had a vehicle because we lived on a farm and it was essential. Nearest bus stop was miles away.
Same here. Never went on a holiday. My first one was at 25, with my now husband.
Load More Replies...When I was 5 my dad started to build a camper for his pick up truck, he got materials when he could. It was finished when I was 7. The reason being, he wanted to visit with a friend who had been his late mothers. She'd moved to Colorado years before. All this was done on weekends, he'd save all his vacation time for the trip. By this time, my little brother was born, so my mom held that baby in the passenger side of the seat, I got the middle and my dad drove from Ohio to Colorado.
You are perpetually young. Going to a movie? Only during matinee showings AND you are 12 years old until you’re 16. At a restaurant, you’re also 9 forever.
Yes, I agree. The cinema was something that other people did. There are levels of poor but poverty poor you weren't eating out or going to the movies.
Load More Replies...We were proud folk, my family would have considered pretending to an age to be dishonest.
Carload night at the drive-in theatre - pack everyone you could into the big ol' station wagon (which was a LOT, with no seatbelt laws back then - kids on laps, squashed into the back, etc) - no snack bar, we brought a big paper grocery bag full of buttered popcorn popped at home, cans of pop, hot dogs cooked at home and kept hot in a thermos full of hot water and brownies made at home. Kids were dressed in their PJs and played on the playground equipment in front of the huge screen until the movie started, then we climbed on the roof of the station wagon with our food and watched the show. We'd be asleep before we got home, so parents would carry us into the house and right into bed (since we were already in our PJs).
My stepdaughter is 14 and is taller than me. We get looks (like, "yea, right") every time we say how old she is lol.
It was normal for money we got for Christmas, birthdays, and (from ages 14 and up) jobs to go to our parents for food and rent. Things did get better when we started working but as the family was doomed to fail due to abuse when we inevitably left at 18 and our parents divorced it left us with nothing. Working four years living at home and none of us were able to save money or go to post secondary until years later. If we were upset about contributing we were deemed selfish and accused of not caring about family.
When I started my first job in 1983 my wage packet went straight to my mum and I was given spending money. She did buy me a Sony Walkman though. This carried on until I got a job with the local council and I had to have a bank account. In hindsight I wish I’d been able to pay into her bank account and for her to give me an allowance. I have no money sense whatsoever. Champagne tastes on beer money as one colleague put it.
If your shoes don't require duct tape, you don't need new shoes.
My sister's total embarrassment when the sole came off her shoe and the cardboard inners, made from cereal packets and replacing the worn out inner lining, were revealed. ☹
Poor baby. I never minded making due, but if people knew - OOOF!!!
Load More Replies...Allowance? That’s for rich kids with trust funds. You need to complete all your assigned chores first and then if there’s any extra work you can think of you can earn some pocket money.
pocket money? doing chores is something you have to do because you're part of the family, and not doing them is 'selfish'
Re-read the paragraph... "Assigned Chores", this means that he has to do them... It's the extra work (Not-needed) that gets them pocket money.
Load More Replies...I only got money for my birthday and Christmas, and only as a teenager. Before that, it was one present from my mum, one from my Grandma, and one from my Godparents for those 2 events. Chores were expected to be done without a reward. It wouldn't even have crossed my mind to ask for one anyway.
Paying for chores was a concept that folks with extra came up with. We just did what had to be done, like everybody else sometimes we grumbled. But I was proud to provide any 'extra' money from baby sitting or mowing for food or shoes.
Your sister goes with you to your friend’s house. Always. No whining.
If you don’t have dinner that night, ramen is a viable substitute
become a ramen queen like me, i love ramen
Load More Replies...Yep, ramen is dinner... Those little ten cent boxes of spaghetti (I know, that was a while ago), one can of tuna with 1 can of mushroom soup over toasted bread - main course for 5 people.
Never tell your friends that you couldn’t afford food or give them any clue about what it’s like at home. My mother used to ask me if I told anyone how we live and that’s when I started questioning our situation.
Call “important looking” men Sir. Even if it’s the gas station manager. Because even he was more successful than my father.
Here in the south, children are expected to speak respectfully to all adults, no matter how skeezy looking.
All older men were called sir, it was just a thing for my parent's generation. Evil LItle Thing is right, it's a southern courtesy. My father was a New Englander, he expected it as well. It might have been an era.
Your own toys and gifts? No, it’s a joint gift for you and siblings.
My brother and I had to share our records. I remember a brutal fight over Michael Jackson's Thriller. Guess who has it now?? <>
6 kids. We got clothes for Christmas. And one family board game present.
im alright with sharing with my sisters, me and my sister that i share a room with, we share everything-- clothes, art supplies, everything.... except we both value our sketchbook papers, we got used to the different ones we used
Don't do anything bad or illegal. But if you do, don't get caught. Bail is expensive. Lawyers and court fees are expensive.
Hide money or it will be "borrowed." Also, don't get attached to anything because if it's any good it'll be sold in a yard sale, and if it has any value it will be pawned. I got the same CD player for three Christmases and birthdays in a row...out of pawn for birthday, pawned again a month later, out of pawn for Christmas, pawned again by March, etc.
we dont have expensive stuff, except for a table set that we have to take care of, because its actually *really* expensive-- dragon design on a table and six chairs, hand carved worth a lot more then the $150 we gt it for
Sounds like there might've been some drug problems going on if there was that much business being done with pawnshops.
....because only drug users go to p**n shops?
Load More Replies...Friends are over? Boy do we have some chores for you. Friends are for stacking wood, not for playing.
Leave the TV on when you leave the house.
What? Why would you leave it on? ... Also, The cheapest TV I could find over the last 30 years was $150... Thats alot of food.
Apparently it was common robbery-prevention tactic. They would think someone is home and move along. An alternative was a radio being left on.
Load More Replies...Like they said, it's usually to avoid a robbery. It knocks up the electric a bit BUT its still cheaper than trying to repurchase everything. Its also unlikely that you have renters insurance or anything like that to replace your stuff...
You leave the tv on so folks think someone is home and won't attempt to liberate your possessions. We didn't have a tv until I was 11.
The US's main waste isn't war, it's handouts we give to the people who don't need handouts. ie: the wealthy.
Load More Replies...I agree. Even in the smallest of things. Siblings often learn to pull together and look after each other. You are grateful to be fed and often are cold and the petty stuff doesn't come up. I read some of the examples of supposedly normal sibling relationships where kids argue and complain to parents about things like 'he's breathing on me'. Flipping heck - I'd have been grateful, would have been warmer. Houses with no heating are not funny. That's what I remember most from my childhood - being cold.
Load More Replies...I remember the first time I had three meals a day was 12 years old at my friends house,, I remember asking them why they did eat so much and stuffing food in pockets to share with my siblings.... also asking my mom why we never when to another state whilst kids in my class had already been to other countries...I’m sure many had it worse than me but I didn’t realize how poor I was until I got older.
Donate your items if you don’t need them anymore. You might make someone’s day a whole lot better. ❤️
My father was a blue collar worker and my mother a home-maker who did part time jobs when we were older. We never had to do without heating, or food, clothing and medical care. By national standards we lived below the official poverty line but we never felt poor. My brothers and I all had part time jobs by the time we were fifteen, working summers to afford some extras during the school year and to go to college and university. I was well looked-after and content. I make better money than my parents ever did but I still live frugally compared to many others (and in much less debt).
I put myself through college. I never wanted fancy cars or boats or anything like that… I just wanted to be able to go up and down the grocery aisle and buy anything I wanted. Over the years I developed a taste for the cheap stuff. I'm still very very very very frugal. And some of my learned habits (not food related) don't have anything to do with money or lack there of. I just don't waste things. I've always volunteered. I can't think of a single thing (non-food item) I own that I did not buy on sale. Doesn't matter how much money you have, if you grow up for in your head you're always for. You're always looking for value.
I didn't see this one, so I hope someone sees it here. Rule: you get a job and you bring your paycheck to your mom. She gives you allowance (like $5-$10)and uses the rest to help put you through school, pay for bills, or get you new clothes. I this this until I know longer lived at home and it felt strange to have all that money.
Absolutely. I have friends who saved up for a deposit on their first home while living with their parents, I was always jealous of that.
Load More Replies...The US's main waste isn't war, it's handouts we give to the people who don't need handouts. ie: the wealthy.
Load More Replies...I agree. Even in the smallest of things. Siblings often learn to pull together and look after each other. You are grateful to be fed and often are cold and the petty stuff doesn't come up. I read some of the examples of supposedly normal sibling relationships where kids argue and complain to parents about things like 'he's breathing on me'. Flipping heck - I'd have been grateful, would have been warmer. Houses with no heating are not funny. That's what I remember most from my childhood - being cold.
Load More Replies...I remember the first time I had three meals a day was 12 years old at my friends house,, I remember asking them why they did eat so much and stuffing food in pockets to share with my siblings.... also asking my mom why we never when to another state whilst kids in my class had already been to other countries...I’m sure many had it worse than me but I didn’t realize how poor I was until I got older.
Donate your items if you don’t need them anymore. You might make someone’s day a whole lot better. ❤️
My father was a blue collar worker and my mother a home-maker who did part time jobs when we were older. We never had to do without heating, or food, clothing and medical care. By national standards we lived below the official poverty line but we never felt poor. My brothers and I all had part time jobs by the time we were fifteen, working summers to afford some extras during the school year and to go to college and university. I was well looked-after and content. I make better money than my parents ever did but I still live frugally compared to many others (and in much less debt).
I put myself through college. I never wanted fancy cars or boats or anything like that… I just wanted to be able to go up and down the grocery aisle and buy anything I wanted. Over the years I developed a taste for the cheap stuff. I'm still very very very very frugal. And some of my learned habits (not food related) don't have anything to do with money or lack there of. I just don't waste things. I've always volunteered. I can't think of a single thing (non-food item) I own that I did not buy on sale. Doesn't matter how much money you have, if you grow up for in your head you're always for. You're always looking for value.
I didn't see this one, so I hope someone sees it here. Rule: you get a job and you bring your paycheck to your mom. She gives you allowance (like $5-$10)and uses the rest to help put you through school, pay for bills, or get you new clothes. I this this until I know longer lived at home and it felt strange to have all that money.
Absolutely. I have friends who saved up for a deposit on their first home while living with their parents, I was always jealous of that.
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