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Woman Goes No-Contact With Parents After They “Steal” Her Baby, Now They Want Reconciliation
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Woman Goes No-Contact With Parents After They “Steal” Her Baby, Now They Want Reconciliation

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The sad truth is that just because someone is your parent doesn’t automatically mean that they have your best interests at heart. Whether or not to forgive someone who’s responsible for the deepest, most painful traumas in your past is a very personal and tough decision. Does everyone deserve a second chance? There are no easy answers…

Redditor u/Sensitive-History9 turned to the internet for advice regarding an extremely sensitive situation. She shared how her estranged parents wanted to reconcile with her after 24 years of no contact. However, she is set against this because they tricked her into giving up her baby for adoption when she was a teenager. Scroll down for the full story, as well as to read the heartfelt advice the net gave the woman.

Bored Panda reached out to the author, and we’ll update the article as soon as we hear back from her.

A woman turned to the internet for some impartial advice after her parents, who she cut off for 24 years, wanted to reconcile with her

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The author shared how her parents had completely eroded her trust in them after they tricked her into giving up her firstborn

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Estrangement happens far more often than many people think

More relatives are estranged from one another than you might think. Time magazine reports that a recent study published in the Journal of Marriage and Family found that just over a quarter (26%) of young adults reported being estranged from their dads. Meanwhile, 6% of the respondents said that they were estranged from their moms.

According to Cornell University professor Karl Pillemer, an expert in human development and the author of Fault Lines, just under 10% of people reported being estranged either from a parent or a child. Slightly more than 10% said they’re estranged from a sibling.

Pillemer explains that there are three main ways that family members become estranged. The first is childhood adversity. The second is a difference in values. The third and final one is a cascade of negative interaction. The latter is often sparked either when someone the group doesn’t approve of marries into the family or when there’s an inheritance to fight over.

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“It’s hard to say which of those is most important. But I will say that childhood problems—people with very difficult, troubled childhoods—seem to be less likely to reconcile over time,” the professor said.

According to Pillemer, one method of reconciliation is when a person gives their relatives clear and provisional ways to get back into a relationship with them. One example of this would be saying something along the lines of: “I’m willing to let you see your grandchildren and join us every two months, but you may never criticize my husband and you can’t criticize my child-rearing.”

The professor noted that this sort of ultimatum often shocks the other person, making them more likely to change their behavior for the better.

There are no easy answers when the situations are so emotionally complex

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The situation the author described in her online post is incredibly emotionally charged. No matter what she decides to do, someone might end up hurt. That’s why she turned to the internet for some impartial advice.

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Her powerful story made a huge splash on the internet. The members of the r/AITA_WIBTA_PUBLIC online community, where she shared her tale, rushed to share their support, as well as to voice their thoughts on what she should consider doing.

At the time of writing, her story had gotten 18k upvotes and received 5.4 upvotes. Ten readers were also so touched by the author’s experience and dilemma that they gave her an award to show their appreciation.

It’s really important for everyone to understand that forgiveness—true forgiveness—and reconciliation are incredibly personal decisions. There are no ‘wrong’ decisions here because everything depends on the individual.

There is no requirement or duty to forgive someone who has hurt you. There is no set timeline for forgiveness. You can’t force someone to heal and ‘move on’ from their traumas quickly. And if anyone tries to pressure you to forgive decades worth of pain, well, they might be more concerned with themselves than you.

Of course, things aren’t so easy when an estranged relative of yours is on the verge of passing away. This puts a rush on decisions that would otherwise take lots of time to make. And if there was no rush, the reconciliation could be stretched out over many years, each side taking tiny steps.

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Real forgiveness takes a lot of time and effort. It doesn’t happen overnight

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Now, the author has a binary choice: either choose to forgive her parents or continue not contacting them, as she did for 24 years. It could be argued that parents who trick their daughter into giving up her firstborn and did not support her in any shape or form aren’t real parents at all.

The best revenge is a life well-lived. And real forgiveness won’t automatically happen just because someone asks for it. It takes dedicated effort to make amends. The greater the hurt, the longer it’ll take. Whatever the author decides to do, she has to live with the consequences of that decision.

In these sorts of situations, it’s best not to make any rash decisions. Sleep on it. Talk to the people you trust most to get their perspective. Heck, even asking the internet for advice can help you look at everything from a different angle you might not even have considered.

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Usually, it helps to listen to your gut feeling. Your instincts are most often right, even if sometimes it’s difficult to interpret them correctly.

What would you do if you were in the author’s shoes, dear Pandas? What advice would you give her? Do you think she should continue cutting her parents out of her life? Or should she try to reconcile with them after so many years? If you have a moment, share your thoughts about this sensitive family situation in the comments.

Most internet users were extremely supportive of the woman. Here’s the advice they gave her

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Some readers were very harsh and saw the situation differently

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Do you think the author's parents deserve to meet their grandchildren?
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Trundle
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The YYA comments from the people fantasizing about having control over a 16 year olds body are sad and pathetic but not surprising

Zoe Vokes
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The second one is especially stupid. That they OP’s parents did it because “they didn’t want to foot the bill or emotional labour of caring for their daughter’s baby.” OP said that her parents kicked her out after finding out she was pregnant. She was going to raise the baby with her ex-boyfriend and with his family’s support and they were working and saving money. OP’s family had cut her off and then later pretended to reconcile in order to trick her. They didn’t need to be involved with the baby at all.

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TribbleThinking
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. Simply no. Note the timing - it's all about HER, nothing about easing your pain, nothing about apologising to him, N-O-T-H-I-N-G, just *her*.

TribbleThinking
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And I bet that you're thinking that all that is at stake is you giving her a bit of time and forgiveness. WRONG - I would take bets right now , it won't be a humble apology. The formula will be 1-justification of what she did, 2-criticism of you back then, 3-criticism of you right now, 4-INFORMING you that you're pathetic for holding on to something for SOOOO long, and then 5-some astounding mental gymnastics producing some hitherto undreamt of new entitlement, accusations and GIVE IT RIGHT NOW demand. Try it, take this list with you, with a red marker to tick off the list. TDLR - You're not just risking a short visit, you're risking an attack and outrageous further demands.

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lenka
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the end, the mother is STILL selfish. She is not looking for repair. She is looking for absolution so she can die without guilt. It's not the daughter's responsibility to absolve her. She will have to make peace with that all on her own. NTA.

Rebekah Fuentes
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was the exact comment I was trying to think of but couldn't. Well said lenka.

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Bookworm
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That last YTA is almost as awful as the parents in the story. S**t-shaming followed by blaming a 15-year-old for trusting her parents when they handed her papers to sign and not understanding contract legalese.

H. B. Nielsen
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That person that called this kidnapping a "you problem" is downright psychopathic.

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StellaTZH
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

C’mon. People believe this story? The biological mother had no way to stop the adoption even though her parents made her sign the documents under false pretenses? I’m pretty sure that kind of circumstance would void the whole process. And what about the father? It's not like one parent can unanimously sign away the kid. Really, people. Stop and think before you take a story on the internet at face value.

David
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was a minor, with her legal guardians (and they probably left the father part on the birth cert off, so the fathers family couldnt challenge), at a time when Adoption rules had far more secrecy ones papers were signed, and far less sympathy for teen mothers.

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arthbach
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd respond with a simple letter saying. "There appears to be a case of mistaken identity. My parents died on the (inset date of signing adoption papers)."

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you do get back in touch, don't bring your kids into it, unless they really want to meet their other grandparents. Making them pawns in the drama is not fair to them. You've done a good job shielding then from your parents, don't stop now.

KatSaidWhat
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mum wants to go to the grave without feeling the guilt she needs to.

Seedy Vine
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP's parents might say something sh!tty like "I told you we made the right decision." It could open up old wounds and cause new ones for her kids. Stay away. Living well is the best revenge.

TribbleThinking
Community Member
1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree. I think posters should add the most jawdropping comments they've had, to help the OP and those in her situation understand the world of hurt they are laying themselves open to.

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Zedrapazia
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That must have been a hell of a story for the eldest to learn. Glad that the family is back together now.

R Dennis
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OPs parents have been dead to her for decades. Keep it that way. She doesn't owe them a moment of time or a breath of air.

Alexandra
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the timing is suspicious. There was a whole lot of time in which OP's parents could have repaired the relationship. Also, what does 'repairing the relationship' mean exactly? Do they just want to forgive and forget so that the funeral will be less awkward because a daughter won't be there? Or do they want to acknowledge what happened and take responsibility? Or does OP's mother just wants to ease her conscience? Is this a way to ensure that OP's father will have access to his grandchildren after the funeral?

magekaz
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again the yta's are such heartless losers! I hope they never have families.

Schmebulock
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They only want contact to feel better about themselves and how horrible they were. Tell them to eat a bag of d**ks.

Andrew
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My heart breaks for you. And F them. They can rot. You are much kinder and more mature than me.

TribbleThinking
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm in the "rot" camp too. And the type to busily wheel a few barrowloads of manure to ensure it's properly done.

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Lexi
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow some real b!tch's at the with yta, they should learn to shut the fu©k up. They don't have all the facts and I doubt very much any of them have had a child torn away from them by so called parents. You are not the a hole here, i'm so glad you have your first born back in your lives.

walkabout
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am in the early stages of this grief. I am no contact for the time being. At this point an apology would not be enough. I have suffered a life time of manipulation at my mother's hands because I, like the OP, trusted unconditionally.

TribbleThinking
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am sorry for your pain. IMHO that is the real tragedy of this kind of abuse - they take actual love and turn it into opportunities to torment the person living them. All the love means to them is being able to "show off" to their friends that people like them and to tether the victim to them. I am very sad about it too. The survivor I've become over the hurt layer is a bit more kickass, and tbh has a lot more fun laughing at these monsters. For they are fairly simple monsters once you take away the "It's not nice to say that" constraint.

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Susy Hammond
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was adopted at birth and I found my birthparents 27 years later. It was amazing to actually look like someone. My adoptive mother was super supportive of my search (my adoptive father died when I was 7). My birthparents weren't teenagers (both were 38 when I was born), but they married later on and were delighted when I found them. I would not forgive that OP's mother either.

KnightOwl
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, hell no. I could never ever speak to anyone who did something so awful and cruel. Her mum clearly doesn't care about her daughter or grandkids and just wants to feel better about herself before she kicks the bucket, she deserves to feel every bit of guilt and pain she feels now after what she did. Surely if they were tricked into signing the papers they could have got a lawyer and fought the adoption? Even 20- 30yrs ago most countries had laws to protect against things like this, my aunt gave up a baby in the 80s and was told she had 6 months to change her mind and had to sign additional papers confirming she wasn't being coerced or doing it under duress.

CBolt
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But teenagers wouldn't go get a lawyer & try to stop the adoption. And, OP's parents, being the disgusting liars I'm sure they still are, wouldn't have told her she could change "her" mind.

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Ruth Watry
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If her parents really cared they would not wait until one of them was dying.

Insomniac
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Always the YTAs, twisting things around to make the OP evil....

Zoe's Mom
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Biological father left when I was 2 or 3. Don't remember him. Came back when I was in my early 30s. Refused to see him. Everyone said I'd regret it. He's been dead for about 10 years and NO REGRETS. He was and will always be, a stranger to me.

Aurora
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't go to their funerals, but I would salt their graves.

JOHN DOE
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry but doing well will just confirm to the idiots they did the right thing.

V Martinez
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think either way they will think they did the right thing.: OP is poor and her family scrapes by? We made right decision to have your baby avoid this. You did well? Because we did right and gave you the opportunity by taking your baby away. I'd ignore my parents if they did this. My life and family are none of their business. They can live/die not knowing anything, they don't deserve to know.

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RAM31280
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While taking ALL the kids to see their grandparents would be great petty revenge, they have lied to and manipulated OP previously, IDK if they can be trusted on their "deathbeds" as well. I would err on the side of caution and remain NC.

nm (he/him)
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I see here another aspect: An unwanted pregnancy of a teenager, which caused too much pain and sorrow and could had been avoided if...! Because a stupidly conservative society refuses to accept the need of sexual education for its children. Pathetic.

JoMeBee
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What an incredibly bittersweet post that the OP has the grace to be grateful to the adoptive parents and consider the what ifs had they kept/raised their son themselves. I'm so glad that they were able to reconnect and that the adoptive parents were solid, loving people. Can you imagine how tragic this story would be if the firstborn had a terrible childhood. My opinion is that they shouldn't reconnect with her parents and the emotional toll that would involve. But if he/they need to let the maternal grandparents know the outcome, then a few happy photos throughout the years would accomplish the same thing without physical contact. The husband should have the right to his form of closure, it was his baby too.

CBolt
Community Member
1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They don't deserve to know the outcome - they didn't care what became of the baby. OP's so-called parents - they in no way deserve those terms but it was good to read that OP's in-laws seem to be very kind people - would probably try to take credit for the first-born having had a happy upbringing & being a fine young man: "If we hadn't .......... you should thank us." If there is a meeting, I wouldn't include any of the children - it could turn out to be a very volatile & unpleasant event. I don't think I could ever consent to have any contact whatsoever - no pictures, not a card, nothing whatsoever.

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Parriah
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you met them they will just misinterpret you intentionally because they are desperate for forgiveness/vindication/redemption or whatever. They won’t listen to you and will continue to defend their actions, probably even use your success and your son doing well as “evidence” that they made the right choice for you and him. I don’t think you should have to endure that absolute failure to acknowledge their wrongs and their screwed up justification that they acted in your best interest. They aren’t sorry for anything and they don’t deserve the connection with you or the beautiful life you created yourself, they will try to scuff it up. Ignore them completely. Horrid people

Leigh Kinnaird
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. They're still making it all about themselves. If they were really sorry they had years to make amends. Another ploy to manipulate her, the dad will probably try to wheedle his way back into their lives.

Chris Riccardino
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'll have to turn your invitation down. I just got the child back you stole from me two decades ago. I can't risk you stealing another.

Alsie Scofield
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What was done to you was unimaginable. TBH, I'm trying to figure out just what I feel about this. Part of me wants to take a photo of your wonderful family, and let her see it. Part of me wants to tell her to go suck an egg! I'm leaning more toward the egg because the act of stealing your baby plus the lack of apology compounds the entire situation. I'm sorry, and I'm sure everyone wants to know your decision. Congratulations on bringing your family together! If others are upset at my answer, at my age, I am always honest even though honesty isn't always appreciated.

XenoMurph
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like to think that as long as we change and are truly sorry then we can be forgiven. We will all make mistakes that it will be hard for other people to forgive. However sometimes that forgiveness takes time. The worse the hurt, the longer that takes. It seems that it will take longer than a lifetime for this woman to forgive her parents, if they are truly sorry and not just wanting to tie up loose ends.

CBolt
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And there's no way to know if they're truly sorry, have changed, or what they're up to.

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Tonyah Mcanelly
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She shouldnt give them the satisfaction of meeting the beautiful children they missed out on . Would the closure be for the daughter or the parents ? I would be hesitiant about my children meeting my parents if i were in this situation. What impact would it have on the child who was adopted out? If she feels she needs to see her parents her and her husband should go without the kids. It was a trap the first time .

Anne Home
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I loved the commenter who suggested popping in saying Just checking that you are really on your way out

Jessica Beever
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tell your son (and any other adult kids you may have) they want to meet him. He's old enough to make the decision and arrangements himself. If he wants to meet them, he can do so. But I don't think you should interact with them directly or have them meet your other kids (who aren't adults).

CBolt
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They may want to meet him but they have absolutely no right to even ask. Even tho he has had a very good life, it wouldn't be surprising if he wanted nothing to do with the people who caused his birth parents such unbelievable pain.

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Gwyn
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't even read the comments. What a terrible thing they did. It doesn't matter what happened or would have happened. The only thing to do now is to go see a therapist asap and get help deciding what is a healthy thing to do for your family. Remember the kids are watching and learning from this too.

CBolt
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

& I hope that at some point the family has had some kind of therapy or counseling that's helped them cope thru the years.

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Lena Flising
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They made their choice back then, to rip out the heart from their child, to rip away the child she had made plans to care for. They also made the choice to NOT be grandparents. Just send a picture of the whole happy family, with the firstborn and the proper grandparents, and write "Haven't got time for people who refused to be grandparents".

Carol Borg
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your husband wants to give them a big F-u by rubbing your family in their face but nothing says F-u better than silence. If you meet them, it will be exactly what they want even if your sole reason for going is to tell them off because if you do that, she will go to her grave thinking that you are the problem and likely that the distance was probably for the best-for them. Also, keep your kids out of it. They don't know them. They already have loving grandparents, they don't need these two losers and you don't need to set yourself up for questions and a possible negative reaction towards you from your kids. Leave it be sweetie. The only person you owe anything to is yourself. You've come so far. Just keep on going!!👏👏👏👏👏

Stinky
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have been NC with my parents for 25 years. When he died I didn't go to the funeral and likewise when she dies, I will not go to that funeral either. I will have zero regrets.

Louise Higgins
Community Member
5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Make the decision that won’t play on your mind for the rest of your life - Whatever your gut tells you that decision is.

Lola July
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think she needs to meet with her mother, I do believe she would do herself a favor by extending forgiveness. The act of forgiving can be just for the one forgiving. That's why I don't see the necessity for her to visit her mother. Bitterness can eat away at us like a cancer. I hope she can move on without all the hate and enjoy having her entire family together.

Monica G
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would want to go to them and vent out my years of pain.

angriestdogintheworld
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. Absolutely not. They lied about the adoption and DID steal the baby. Absolutely not. No.

P.L. Packer
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These people gave away the privilege of being grandparents when they lied to their daughter, stole her child to be adopted by strangers. NO......they do NOT deserve to meet their grandchildren or even ask their daughter's forgiveness. These people are despicable and deserve to live and die with their mistakes. Karma is real, let these people find out just how real it is.

DogMomma
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with those who suggest she go alone (if she wants to go), without the kids. She is the one who needs/deserves closure, even if it's not the closure she wants. It would be a hugely mature and adult thing to do for HERSELF, and she "owes" them absolutely nothing. Her husband's desire to "rub their faces in it" would be a regret later on in life, IMHO. You've been okay without them so far. You'll be fine without them still.

Ginger Winters
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They kicked her out for teenaged pregnancy, forced her to sign paperwork under false pretenses which caused her to lose her baby, forced her back in once the baby was gone, not once but multiple times and probably verbally abused her and blamed her for all that went on during that time if she tried to unalienable herself, continued the gaslighting and other abuse and went NC with her and now they want to reach out and someone people think she's TA for not jumping on the bandwagon?! What is wrong with people?!

Eternal Lee
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Give the adopted child their details. Let him make his own mind up. He has the right to know where he came from and why he was adopted. Keeping him from them is just another rejection, that he doesn't need. If he'd found them first, what would the story be?! Only fair he hears all sides of his own beginnings. It's about *him* after all, not the grand/parent.

Mimi M
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm putting 50/50 on whether this story is true. And from the comments - 'do whatever gives you the most peace'.

Julie Schraeder
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It seems she will never forgive her parents so I don't think she should go see her mother. I don't like any of the nasty suggestions that were given. The woman is dying. Please don't go and say you still hate her & will never forgive her. If she wanted to send a card with a picture of her family & say your family is complete with the addition of your 1st born &you're sorry that she is dying but don't be hateful

Shadow
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At this point, it's not up to you. Your first born is a 20 yr old adult. Depending on the ages of your other children, if they are old enough to understand, I would sit everyone down and explain what was done to you and your husband. How it made you feel. How you feel about your family and let them know what your family has asked for. Let them decide. Your deciding for them is as bad as they having decided for you. No matter what each decides, respect their right to either meet their grandparents or not to. Leave your pain out as much as you can.

Kelly Schlachter
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't do it for them, do it for yourself and your family for closure, there is obviously still a lot of hurt there and there will be regrets if you don't at least try to resolve them (for your wellbeing) before it's too late. A lot of people are saying not to involve your children, I think you should give them the choice to meet their grandparents especially your eldest. A chance to ask why they did what they did. Your parents made a choice for you, dont make the same mistake.... I wish you and your family all the best whatever your final decision.

Kimberly Stinson
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would try to see them, with all children, husband in tow. Let them see how big of a mistake they made not having this obviously beautiful and amazing family in their life all this time.

Ben Aziza
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

F**k em. Just f**k em. I am 100% with the dad here. Go there show them how well the two parents and the kid they threw away have done with their lives. Revel in the revenge of knowing you lead a good life and did not let evil win.

Julia French
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would let that firstborn son decide. tell him the full details of his birth & adoption and let him decide if he wants to say anything to those folks or hear anything from them. If he chooses to & wants her support there for it, she should go see them

Mike m
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have to show your happy family with FOUR kids that she never got to know in her face and leave. Edit: Better yet, mail her a picture of you all to her hospital room.

The Starsong Princess
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1 month ago

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This one is an obvious fake. The author laid it it on too thick with the rhubarb pudding details. As well, even decades ago, the father and the family could contest an adoption or the mother, aided by his family, could have changed her mind.

Trialia
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know about where you live, but in my country an unmarried father would have had no parental rights, unless his name had already been put on the birth certificate and the birth registered with him as the father. His consent would not have been required, and as the mother was under 18 she could not have contested an adoption even if she wanted to. A friend of mine from the US was forcibly married on her 16th birthday, her abusive mother giving consent for her marriage to an abusive spouse who put "bride is pregnant" on the permission forms for marriage under 18. She wasn't, but she conceived on her wedding night (cruel joke) and gave birth to their daughter at full term. In spite of being a wife and mother herself, she could not leave her spouse. She tried to run away several times, but every time the authorities found her - whether or not she went to a battered women's shelter! - they returned her to the custody of her husband or her mother. 1/2

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Trundle
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The YYA comments from the people fantasizing about having control over a 16 year olds body are sad and pathetic but not surprising

Zoe Vokes
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The second one is especially stupid. That they OP’s parents did it because “they didn’t want to foot the bill or emotional labour of caring for their daughter’s baby.” OP said that her parents kicked her out after finding out she was pregnant. She was going to raise the baby with her ex-boyfriend and with his family’s support and they were working and saving money. OP’s family had cut her off and then later pretended to reconcile in order to trick her. They didn’t need to be involved with the baby at all.

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TribbleThinking
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. Simply no. Note the timing - it's all about HER, nothing about easing your pain, nothing about apologising to him, N-O-T-H-I-N-G, just *her*.

TribbleThinking
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And I bet that you're thinking that all that is at stake is you giving her a bit of time and forgiveness. WRONG - I would take bets right now , it won't be a humble apology. The formula will be 1-justification of what she did, 2-criticism of you back then, 3-criticism of you right now, 4-INFORMING you that you're pathetic for holding on to something for SOOOO long, and then 5-some astounding mental gymnastics producing some hitherto undreamt of new entitlement, accusations and GIVE IT RIGHT NOW demand. Try it, take this list with you, with a red marker to tick off the list. TDLR - You're not just risking a short visit, you're risking an attack and outrageous further demands.

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lenka
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the end, the mother is STILL selfish. She is not looking for repair. She is looking for absolution so she can die without guilt. It's not the daughter's responsibility to absolve her. She will have to make peace with that all on her own. NTA.

Rebekah Fuentes
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was the exact comment I was trying to think of but couldn't. Well said lenka.

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Bookworm
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That last YTA is almost as awful as the parents in the story. S**t-shaming followed by blaming a 15-year-old for trusting her parents when they handed her papers to sign and not understanding contract legalese.

H. B. Nielsen
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That person that called this kidnapping a "you problem" is downright psychopathic.

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StellaTZH
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

C’mon. People believe this story? The biological mother had no way to stop the adoption even though her parents made her sign the documents under false pretenses? I’m pretty sure that kind of circumstance would void the whole process. And what about the father? It's not like one parent can unanimously sign away the kid. Really, people. Stop and think before you take a story on the internet at face value.

David
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was a minor, with her legal guardians (and they probably left the father part on the birth cert off, so the fathers family couldnt challenge), at a time when Adoption rules had far more secrecy ones papers were signed, and far less sympathy for teen mothers.

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arthbach
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd respond with a simple letter saying. "There appears to be a case of mistaken identity. My parents died on the (inset date of signing adoption papers)."

FreeTheUnicorn
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you do get back in touch, don't bring your kids into it, unless they really want to meet their other grandparents. Making them pawns in the drama is not fair to them. You've done a good job shielding then from your parents, don't stop now.

KatSaidWhat
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mum wants to go to the grave without feeling the guilt she needs to.

Seedy Vine
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP's parents might say something sh!tty like "I told you we made the right decision." It could open up old wounds and cause new ones for her kids. Stay away. Living well is the best revenge.

TribbleThinking
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree. I think posters should add the most jawdropping comments they've had, to help the OP and those in her situation understand the world of hurt they are laying themselves open to.

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Zedrapazia
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That must have been a hell of a story for the eldest to learn. Glad that the family is back together now.

R Dennis
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OPs parents have been dead to her for decades. Keep it that way. She doesn't owe them a moment of time or a breath of air.

Alexandra
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the timing is suspicious. There was a whole lot of time in which OP's parents could have repaired the relationship. Also, what does 'repairing the relationship' mean exactly? Do they just want to forgive and forget so that the funeral will be less awkward because a daughter won't be there? Or do they want to acknowledge what happened and take responsibility? Or does OP's mother just wants to ease her conscience? Is this a way to ensure that OP's father will have access to his grandchildren after the funeral?

magekaz
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again the yta's are such heartless losers! I hope they never have families.

Schmebulock
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They only want contact to feel better about themselves and how horrible they were. Tell them to eat a bag of d**ks.

Andrew
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My heart breaks for you. And F them. They can rot. You are much kinder and more mature than me.

TribbleThinking
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm in the "rot" camp too. And the type to busily wheel a few barrowloads of manure to ensure it's properly done.

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Lexi
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow some real b!tch's at the with yta, they should learn to shut the fu©k up. They don't have all the facts and I doubt very much any of them have had a child torn away from them by so called parents. You are not the a hole here, i'm so glad you have your first born back in your lives.

walkabout
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am in the early stages of this grief. I am no contact for the time being. At this point an apology would not be enough. I have suffered a life time of manipulation at my mother's hands because I, like the OP, trusted unconditionally.

TribbleThinking
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am sorry for your pain. IMHO that is the real tragedy of this kind of abuse - they take actual love and turn it into opportunities to torment the person living them. All the love means to them is being able to "show off" to their friends that people like them and to tether the victim to them. I am very sad about it too. The survivor I've become over the hurt layer is a bit more kickass, and tbh has a lot more fun laughing at these monsters. For they are fairly simple monsters once you take away the "It's not nice to say that" constraint.

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Susy Hammond
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was adopted at birth and I found my birthparents 27 years later. It was amazing to actually look like someone. My adoptive mother was super supportive of my search (my adoptive father died when I was 7). My birthparents weren't teenagers (both were 38 when I was born), but they married later on and were delighted when I found them. I would not forgive that OP's mother either.

KnightOwl
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, hell no. I could never ever speak to anyone who did something so awful and cruel. Her mum clearly doesn't care about her daughter or grandkids and just wants to feel better about herself before she kicks the bucket, she deserves to feel every bit of guilt and pain she feels now after what she did. Surely if they were tricked into signing the papers they could have got a lawyer and fought the adoption? Even 20- 30yrs ago most countries had laws to protect against things like this, my aunt gave up a baby in the 80s and was told she had 6 months to change her mind and had to sign additional papers confirming she wasn't being coerced or doing it under duress.

CBolt
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But teenagers wouldn't go get a lawyer & try to stop the adoption. And, OP's parents, being the disgusting liars I'm sure they still are, wouldn't have told her she could change "her" mind.

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Ruth Watry
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If her parents really cared they would not wait until one of them was dying.

Insomniac
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Always the YTAs, twisting things around to make the OP evil....

Zoe's Mom
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Biological father left when I was 2 or 3. Don't remember him. Came back when I was in my early 30s. Refused to see him. Everyone said I'd regret it. He's been dead for about 10 years and NO REGRETS. He was and will always be, a stranger to me.

Aurora
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't go to their funerals, but I would salt their graves.

JOHN DOE
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry but doing well will just confirm to the idiots they did the right thing.

V Martinez
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think either way they will think they did the right thing.: OP is poor and her family scrapes by? We made right decision to have your baby avoid this. You did well? Because we did right and gave you the opportunity by taking your baby away. I'd ignore my parents if they did this. My life and family are none of their business. They can live/die not knowing anything, they don't deserve to know.

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RAM31280
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While taking ALL the kids to see their grandparents would be great petty revenge, they have lied to and manipulated OP previously, IDK if they can be trusted on their "deathbeds" as well. I would err on the side of caution and remain NC.

nm (he/him)
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I see here another aspect: An unwanted pregnancy of a teenager, which caused too much pain and sorrow and could had been avoided if...! Because a stupidly conservative society refuses to accept the need of sexual education for its children. Pathetic.

JoMeBee
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What an incredibly bittersweet post that the OP has the grace to be grateful to the adoptive parents and consider the what ifs had they kept/raised their son themselves. I'm so glad that they were able to reconnect and that the adoptive parents were solid, loving people. Can you imagine how tragic this story would be if the firstborn had a terrible childhood. My opinion is that they shouldn't reconnect with her parents and the emotional toll that would involve. But if he/they need to let the maternal grandparents know the outcome, then a few happy photos throughout the years would accomplish the same thing without physical contact. The husband should have the right to his form of closure, it was his baby too.

CBolt
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They don't deserve to know the outcome - they didn't care what became of the baby. OP's so-called parents - they in no way deserve those terms but it was good to read that OP's in-laws seem to be very kind people - would probably try to take credit for the first-born having had a happy upbringing & being a fine young man: "If we hadn't .......... you should thank us." If there is a meeting, I wouldn't include any of the children - it could turn out to be a very volatile & unpleasant event. I don't think I could ever consent to have any contact whatsoever - no pictures, not a card, nothing whatsoever.

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Parriah
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you met them they will just misinterpret you intentionally because they are desperate for forgiveness/vindication/redemption or whatever. They won’t listen to you and will continue to defend their actions, probably even use your success and your son doing well as “evidence” that they made the right choice for you and him. I don’t think you should have to endure that absolute failure to acknowledge their wrongs and their screwed up justification that they acted in your best interest. They aren’t sorry for anything and they don’t deserve the connection with you or the beautiful life you created yourself, they will try to scuff it up. Ignore them completely. Horrid people

Leigh Kinnaird
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. They're still making it all about themselves. If they were really sorry they had years to make amends. Another ploy to manipulate her, the dad will probably try to wheedle his way back into their lives.

Chris Riccardino
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'll have to turn your invitation down. I just got the child back you stole from me two decades ago. I can't risk you stealing another.

Alsie Scofield
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What was done to you was unimaginable. TBH, I'm trying to figure out just what I feel about this. Part of me wants to take a photo of your wonderful family, and let her see it. Part of me wants to tell her to go suck an egg! I'm leaning more toward the egg because the act of stealing your baby plus the lack of apology compounds the entire situation. I'm sorry, and I'm sure everyone wants to know your decision. Congratulations on bringing your family together! If others are upset at my answer, at my age, I am always honest even though honesty isn't always appreciated.

XenoMurph
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like to think that as long as we change and are truly sorry then we can be forgiven. We will all make mistakes that it will be hard for other people to forgive. However sometimes that forgiveness takes time. The worse the hurt, the longer that takes. It seems that it will take longer than a lifetime for this woman to forgive her parents, if they are truly sorry and not just wanting to tie up loose ends.

CBolt
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And there's no way to know if they're truly sorry, have changed, or what they're up to.

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Tonyah Mcanelly
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She shouldnt give them the satisfaction of meeting the beautiful children they missed out on . Would the closure be for the daughter or the parents ? I would be hesitiant about my children meeting my parents if i were in this situation. What impact would it have on the child who was adopted out? If she feels she needs to see her parents her and her husband should go without the kids. It was a trap the first time .

Anne Home
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I loved the commenter who suggested popping in saying Just checking that you are really on your way out

Jessica Beever
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tell your son (and any other adult kids you may have) they want to meet him. He's old enough to make the decision and arrangements himself. If he wants to meet them, he can do so. But I don't think you should interact with them directly or have them meet your other kids (who aren't adults).

CBolt
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They may want to meet him but they have absolutely no right to even ask. Even tho he has had a very good life, it wouldn't be surprising if he wanted nothing to do with the people who caused his birth parents such unbelievable pain.

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Gwyn
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't even read the comments. What a terrible thing they did. It doesn't matter what happened or would have happened. The only thing to do now is to go see a therapist asap and get help deciding what is a healthy thing to do for your family. Remember the kids are watching and learning from this too.

CBolt
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

& I hope that at some point the family has had some kind of therapy or counseling that's helped them cope thru the years.

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Lena Flising
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9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They made their choice back then, to rip out the heart from their child, to rip away the child she had made plans to care for. They also made the choice to NOT be grandparents. Just send a picture of the whole happy family, with the firstborn and the proper grandparents, and write "Haven't got time for people who refused to be grandparents".

Carol Borg
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9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your husband wants to give them a big F-u by rubbing your family in their face but nothing says F-u better than silence. If you meet them, it will be exactly what they want even if your sole reason for going is to tell them off because if you do that, she will go to her grave thinking that you are the problem and likely that the distance was probably for the best-for them. Also, keep your kids out of it. They don't know them. They already have loving grandparents, they don't need these two losers and you don't need to set yourself up for questions and a possible negative reaction towards you from your kids. Leave it be sweetie. The only person you owe anything to is yourself. You've come so far. Just keep on going!!👏👏👏👏👏

Stinky
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have been NC with my parents for 25 years. When he died I didn't go to the funeral and likewise when she dies, I will not go to that funeral either. I will have zero regrets.

Louise Higgins
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5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Make the decision that won’t play on your mind for the rest of your life - Whatever your gut tells you that decision is.

Lola July
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think she needs to meet with her mother, I do believe she would do herself a favor by extending forgiveness. The act of forgiving can be just for the one forgiving. That's why I don't see the necessity for her to visit her mother. Bitterness can eat away at us like a cancer. I hope she can move on without all the hate and enjoy having her entire family together.

Monica G
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would want to go to them and vent out my years of pain.

angriestdogintheworld
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. Absolutely not. They lied about the adoption and DID steal the baby. Absolutely not. No.

P.L. Packer
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These people gave away the privilege of being grandparents when they lied to their daughter, stole her child to be adopted by strangers. NO......they do NOT deserve to meet their grandchildren or even ask their daughter's forgiveness. These people are despicable and deserve to live and die with their mistakes. Karma is real, let these people find out just how real it is.

DogMomma
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with those who suggest she go alone (if she wants to go), without the kids. She is the one who needs/deserves closure, even if it's not the closure she wants. It would be a hugely mature and adult thing to do for HERSELF, and she "owes" them absolutely nothing. Her husband's desire to "rub their faces in it" would be a regret later on in life, IMHO. You've been okay without them so far. You'll be fine without them still.

Ginger Winters
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They kicked her out for teenaged pregnancy, forced her to sign paperwork under false pretenses which caused her to lose her baby, forced her back in once the baby was gone, not once but multiple times and probably verbally abused her and blamed her for all that went on during that time if she tried to unalienable herself, continued the gaslighting and other abuse and went NC with her and now they want to reach out and someone people think she's TA for not jumping on the bandwagon?! What is wrong with people?!

Eternal Lee
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Give the adopted child their details. Let him make his own mind up. He has the right to know where he came from and why he was adopted. Keeping him from them is just another rejection, that he doesn't need. If he'd found them first, what would the story be?! Only fair he hears all sides of his own beginnings. It's about *him* after all, not the grand/parent.

Mimi M
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm putting 50/50 on whether this story is true. And from the comments - 'do whatever gives you the most peace'.

Julie Schraeder
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It seems she will never forgive her parents so I don't think she should go see her mother. I don't like any of the nasty suggestions that were given. The woman is dying. Please don't go and say you still hate her & will never forgive her. If she wanted to send a card with a picture of her family & say your family is complete with the addition of your 1st born &you're sorry that she is dying but don't be hateful

Shadow
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At this point, it's not up to you. Your first born is a 20 yr old adult. Depending on the ages of your other children, if they are old enough to understand, I would sit everyone down and explain what was done to you and your husband. How it made you feel. How you feel about your family and let them know what your family has asked for. Let them decide. Your deciding for them is as bad as they having decided for you. No matter what each decides, respect their right to either meet their grandparents or not to. Leave your pain out as much as you can.

Kelly Schlachter
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't do it for them, do it for yourself and your family for closure, there is obviously still a lot of hurt there and there will be regrets if you don't at least try to resolve them (for your wellbeing) before it's too late. A lot of people are saying not to involve your children, I think you should give them the choice to meet their grandparents especially your eldest. A chance to ask why they did what they did. Your parents made a choice for you, dont make the same mistake.... I wish you and your family all the best whatever your final decision.

Kimberly Stinson
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would try to see them, with all children, husband in tow. Let them see how big of a mistake they made not having this obviously beautiful and amazing family in their life all this time.

Ben Aziza
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

F**k em. Just f**k em. I am 100% with the dad here. Go there show them how well the two parents and the kid they threw away have done with their lives. Revel in the revenge of knowing you lead a good life and did not let evil win.

Julia French
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would let that firstborn son decide. tell him the full details of his birth & adoption and let him decide if he wants to say anything to those folks or hear anything from them. If he chooses to & wants her support there for it, she should go see them

Mike m
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have to show your happy family with FOUR kids that she never got to know in her face and leave. Edit: Better yet, mail her a picture of you all to her hospital room.

The Starsong Princess
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This one is an obvious fake. The author laid it it on too thick with the rhubarb pudding details. As well, even decades ago, the father and the family could contest an adoption or the mother, aided by his family, could have changed her mind.

Trialia
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know about where you live, but in my country an unmarried father would have had no parental rights, unless his name had already been put on the birth certificate and the birth registered with him as the father. His consent would not have been required, and as the mother was under 18 she could not have contested an adoption even if she wanted to. A friend of mine from the US was forcibly married on her 16th birthday, her abusive mother giving consent for her marriage to an abusive spouse who put "bride is pregnant" on the permission forms for marriage under 18. She wasn't, but she conceived on her wedding night (cruel joke) and gave birth to their daughter at full term. In spite of being a wife and mother herself, she could not leave her spouse. She tried to run away several times, but every time the authorities found her - whether or not she went to a battered women's shelter! - they returned her to the custody of her husband or her mother. 1/2

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