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New York Times Publishes Post-Birth Paid Leave Infographic, Inspires 30 People To Share How Different It Is Where They Live Compared To The US
Across the vast majority of Planet Earth, paid parental leave is a matter of fact. All that differs is just how many weeks parents get to spend uninterrupted with their newborn munchkins before they get back to the rat race. The average length of leave, globally, is 29 weeks. However, the United States is one of just seven countries with no national paid maternity leave.
A graph published by The New York Times last October, comparing paid maternity leave around the globe, is making the rounds on the internet again, and many Americans are shocked by how much of an outlier their country actually is. Redditors from around the world tuned into a viral thread featuring the graph and started sharing what the situation is like in their own countries. It’s eye-opening. And it’s proof that if the world found a way to make it work, the US can, too.
Scroll down for the most insightful posts we’ve picked out from the thread, and let us know in the comments what the parental leave situation is like at home for you, Pandas. And if we have any parents reading this today, we’d love to hear the advice you’d give to new parents!
Labor and Delivery Nurse Holly D., from Georgia in the United States, was kind enough to explain to Bored Panda. why paid paternal leave in America is so abysmal, and why it's so important for parents to spend a lot of time with their newborns. Scroll down for our full interview with Holly.
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#1
I come from Moldova - the poorest country in Europe. You get 3 years paid plus 3 years unpaid maternity leave where they have to keep your job. You don’t get paid much. I think it’s 70% first year and 30% after that, but at least it’s available. Coming to work after one year maternity leave is considered careerist
Chicken Nugget 2 years ago
The poorest country in Europe is better than the “greatest” country in the world
"Unfortunately, here in the United States, that is common, especially with lower-paying jobs. We are just recently seeing more of a trend for paternity leave. Most times it is unpaid leave of absence but it is 'excused' time. The amount of time off is minimal, however, the 'work benefit' for the paternal side is making a presence here. It still does not equate to other countries who practice this idea and most times it is not a benefit in 'blue collar' type jobs," Labor and Delivery nurse Holly explained to Bored Panda.
"I hate to use the word 'benefit' because it’s not much of a benefit to have a week or two off with a newborn, however, that’s the way employers like to portray it as part of their 'benefit packages.' I do believe a parent that is unable to have paternity leave with a newborn is at a disadvantage of bonding and transitioning into a new role as a parent and spouse. It causes a significant strain on both parents. If the parent is single and unable to take 'paid paternity' leave, it can lead to significant mental and emotional distress."
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#2
Slovakia here. My wife and I just had a baby boy. She will get three years of maternity leave and I will get six months of paternity leave while making 75% of my income. We also get all sorts of one-time bonuses, tax deductions, etc. I almost feel guilty for being financially secure despite not having to work for so much time.
#3
Norwegian men are required to take two weeks off when the baby is born. Paternal leave in total is a minimum of 15 paid weeks and two weeks right after birth.
According to Holly, the US has only recently started to recognize the importance of family/work balance as a country.
"In the US, most internationally owned businesses have set a standard of paternal paid leave causing a new influence on the US-owned businesses to follow suit. The older generations here in the US have always practiced in an older model where the paternal figure works and the maternal figure stays home to care for family," the nurse said.
"However, in the new family model, everyone is working and contributing financially and the need for paid paternity leave is more necessary than ever. Lower paying jobs still tend to follow the old model of no paid paternity leave, but my hope is the influence of internationally owned businesses helps drive the practice of standard paid paternity leave."
#4
My husband and I work for the same company in the United States. We recently found out that we must SHARE our 12 weeks of unpaid leave. We originally thought we would get 12 weeks per person. America really needs to start caring about parents and families. It's especially grating because I live in a religious red state where having families is a top priority, but the government isn't actually helping people to realize that goal.
General Anaesthesia 2 years ago
Red states, like the red party, also believe in "small government" when it comes to serving the people instead of corporations. They're "really big government" when it comes to the government intruding into the private lives, the bedrooms of people.
#5
Germany here, I'm originally from the US and can't fathom having a baby in my home country honestly :/ I took off roughly 19 months maternity leave with each kid, the 6 weeks leading up to due date and the 8 weeks after were fully paid and then I received a reduced salary for the other months and continued to be insured and under pension plan. You can theoretically take 3 years of maternity leave here but the 3rd year is unpaid; however you can keep your job (they have to take you back afterwards) and continue to be insured/pensioned.
#6
In Canada, we have 12 or 18 months of maternity leave. You get paid 80% of your normal salary, but you get the same amount stretched out over either the course of a year or the 18 months.
Nurse Holly stressed that it's necessary that every paternal figure ought to receive paid time off to be with a newborn.
"It is necessary that the time is not rushed. Everyone is different in how much time is required to take off. I feel that it can be absolutely beneficial to relationships with the newborn and spouses/significant others to partake in the PAID time off. As well as their mental health in the transition into a major life event," she said that there are various benefits.
"I don’t know if there is a 'right amount' of time [to spend together], however, I have personally seen some of our neighboring paid paternity leave practices and I am envious," she said.
#7
I'm in Korea. I got five days of paternity leave. I guess I could have legally taken more time but it was actively discouraged by my work.
#8
I gave birth on a Friday. By Monday morning, my husband’s boss wanted him back in the office. That was the end of his paternity leave in the US.
Striated Heron 2 years ago
That's so sad. I'm sorry, it must be so hard. It's unfair and I hope we can somehow change it by mothers like you speaking up! Sending all the strength.
#9
Costa Rica is a third-world country, but we still have four months of paid maternity leave. In government jobs, even men have one month to help. All mothers have daily paid time to breastfeed and it is mandatory to supply a healthy environment for them to do so.
Matthew Daniel 2 years ago
I like the idea of paid breastfeeding time. Quite an interesting concept and should be fully supported everywhere. Not all mothers want very long maternity leave but this would help.
The New York Times article takes a look at paid maternity leave, paid parental leave, as well as paid leave for a health problem. Even though dads get a lot less love than new moms do, around the world, the general trend is the same: the US lags behind other developed and developing nations on Earth.
We’re too exhausted to call it embarrassing by this point, so we’ll settle for ‘unfair' instead. The healthcare system in the US can be inefficient, expensive, and (you could even argue, in some cases) predatory. Not all workers get the support that they need. In the Wild West system that’s in place, you can make it big… but if you get hurt or need some time off, you’re going to feel the pain. Badly. The American Dream seems to favor the eternally healthy and those without family obligations.
The fact of the matter is that newborn kids need to spend a lot of time with their parents. It builds a strong emotional connection between them that can last a lifetime. When you’re back at work right after becoming a new parent, it’s frankly ridiculous. Dystopian, even.
#10
Living in Italy... My wife's 2.500 euro wage became 287 euros a month. For 6 months. So, it's more of a semi paid leave
Lisa Zoppi 2 years ago
Italian here. Maybe your wife had a "special" contract? Personally I know that you stay at home from 7th month of pregnancy till baby's 6th month of age with full paid salary. Then 80% till baby's 1 year. If you work in azardous environment (i.e. hairdresser because of hair colouring stuff) you stay at home (fully paid) from pregnancy test being positive...
#11
In Romania paid maternity leave is up to 2 years and fathers can also request paternal leave.
Chicken Nugget 2 years ago
Starting to realize the country that sticks out like a sore thumb among the world...
#12
In the UK, we have maternity and paternity leave, but we also have a separate statutory minimum of two weeks leave for anyone giving birth. This makes it illegal to go back to work for two weeks even if you wanted to. This prevents women from being coerced into going back too soon.
Wilf 2 years ago
That post is a little bit misleading: Statutory Maternity Pay (SMP) is paid for up to 39 weeks. You get: 90% of your average weekly earnings (before tax) for the first 6 weeks £156.66 or 90% of your average weekly earnings (whichever is lower) for the next 33 weeks. Many (most?) salaried employees get in excess of this as part of their employment contracts though. My wife gets 1 year at full pay and another 6 months at 50%. There are also legal protections about holding jobs open too.
BBC Worklife states that only around 21% of American workers have access to paid family leave through their employers. Other parents have access to 12 weeks of _unpaid leave_ if they work at a company with 50 or more employees. That puts a lot of pressure on parents who feel the financial pressure and need the money to keep a roof over their families’ heads and to put food on the table. Some choose to go back to work immediately. But it’s not really a choice though, is it?
Labor and Delivery Nurse Holly D. previously explained to Bored Panda a bit more about how it’s incredibly important for both parents to be together throughout the entire process of the birth and afterward. “To say that a mother or father being present after the birth of their child is important does not seem enough,” she told us.
“The postpartum period is such an intricate time for the mother to heal, physically emotionally, and mentally,” she said. “It is also a time where bonding and learning with the newborn takes place. This bonding is healing in so many ways. In premature birth, mothers are forced to make a choice to heal physically or postpone that postpartum time off from work for when the infant comes home from NICU,” she said.
“Unfair/inhumane will describe that forced decision that employers have placed on the parents in these situations. Employers should not be dictating the medical needs of the mother and imposing continued delay in bonding time with their infant.”
#13
In Switzerland we have "only" 4 months. Compare to other countries in Europe already 1 of the less friendly system on the continent. Ppl from different European countries are usually pretty much surprised and feel sorry about us. (in France just the "daddy leave" is something like 3 months as I know)
From Europe the USA social system looks inhuman (as well as your Healthcare system) but from the States probably Europe seems communist.
What Bernie recommended (The Skandinavian HC model) is one of the best and healthiest system in Europe! I was pretty much surprised why that idea was not that popular in the States. Here in Europe we are very envious of the Swedish system and well-being level!
#14
In Sweden we have three months of paid leave for each parent. Then a couple gets 300 days that they can divide between parents as they see fit.
Lena Flising 2 years ago
The father has ten days paid leave immediately after birth, so that the new parents can share the first days with the newborn.
#15
I live in the US. I had to go without a vacation or any time off for more than two years in order to accrue the measly seven weeks of parental leave I finally took. I couldn't afford to be without a paycheck, so I went back the day after my PTO (paid time off) ran out. It was awful. My milk supply was still regulating, no one was sleeping through the night, and within a couple weeks, I was hit with serious postpartum depression. This country can afford paid leave. We are literally the worst for not providing it.
Trisha Howson 2 years ago
So true I think it awful all these other places but " the such a great place to live" can not
#16
In Austria we can choose between one or two years, if you choose the 2 years you only get about 500€ per month, if you choose the one year it depends on your income before parental leave and you get up to 1700€ a month. All families additionally get about 170€ monthly per child in government assistance no matter their income. Oh and men have the right to go on paternity leave (meaning their employer is legally obligated to grant them paternity leave). If mom and dad split parental leave evenly you get another 1000€ bonus from the state.
#17
As a German who will get 100% of her pay on leave 6 weeks before birth and 8 weeks after (and 67% of her pay for up to three years) and who cannot legally be fired the second she became pregnant I am just as flabbergasted as you are, but the other way around. I cannot believe this is not normal everywhere and I cannot believe they cut us down to 67% after 8 weeks, I think it should be at least 6 full months.
#18
A decade or so ago, at my previous job one of my clients was a huge American media company, and I worked closely with one of their project managers, a woman I'll call Violet. One day VIolet announced that she was going to take some time off because she was going to have a baby. I congratulated her, wished her the best, etc., expecting not talking to her again any time soon - over here women usually take at least a year off from work when they're having a baby, at least if it's their first, but often even with further kids.
Two weeks later Violet was back, like nothing happened, and I was like "oh my god, how come she's back, did she have a miscarriage?! what should I say to her?!" and then turned out that the baby was fine, she just had to get back to work. Two f**king weeks, with a newborn baby. I've no idea how she managed, I hope she had a partner or someone to help her.
Upstaged75 2 years ago
That's crazy. Most US companies will give you at least 3 months. I wonder if she was pressured to do it or she was just a workaholic? We definitely shouldn't encourage this as the norm.
#19
Belgium, I have mandatory 1 week before due date that I have to take, and a maximum of 6 weeks before DD. Then there is a mandatory 9 weeks I have to take postpartum but it can be extended by the 5 optional weeks before delivery, so 14 weeks in total.
First month I get paid 90% of my salary, then about 80% for the following months (so dumb if they make it mandatory leave). My hubby gets 20 workdays off (holidays don't count), same with his wage.
I also get protection against termination from the moment you notify your job, with a signed letter from the doc ofc, so people here tell their jobs around the same time they tell everyone else (12 weeks).
My friend in Sweden thought this was ludicrously little time leave and that they have a minimum 5 months or so.
Karen Lukase 2 years ago
I had my daughter on a Thursday and was back to work by Wednesday. You can guess what country I live in..
#20
I’m a NICU nurse. We had a mom from Denmark once. I mentioned to her that I was going to pump for my baby (8 months old) and I would be right back. When I got back, she had a lot of questions about pumping at work. She was flabbergasted that we have to go back to work while still breastfeeding. Apparently pumping at work is not a thing in Denmark because moms simply stay with their baby when they’re breastfeeding. She said she felt so bad for me, but I had never thought of it like that before.
Iifa A. 2 years ago
Well yes, right to food and being feed is a human right. We think it's inhumane to force women to extract.milk just so you can earn money for company who has no moral standards or empathy. Producing milk, and pumping and feeding drains body and energy levels, we don't let pilots, doctors and nurses to work in that state, but we fully expect the new mother to be energy bunny serving everyone and lastly take.care of the child. A mother who works 8-12hr shifts will return home to the baby tired and stressed. PTSD, child.abuse, sleep deprivation and fatigue cause the most shaken baby syndrome. Why not give the young mum time, support and understanding to be a great mum, to bond with the child and give them the best chance to love the child in safe, healthy environment, take time and put effort only into learning to care and run the household with the baby. Most people won't have experience with a real baby until they have their own.
#21
In Lithuania it's one year paid maternity/paternity leave (77% of your salary). Or you can spread it out over 2 years and get 2 years paid maternity/paternity leave. The other parent also gets one month paid leave when the baby is born
Final score:
39points
#22
I'm from Kuwait and any woman giving birth gets a minimum of 70 days paid maternity leave by law. And if you work in the public sector, you can get paid leave for up to six months (or up to one year making 50% of your salary). When you are ready to go back to work the employer is not allowed to fire you either.
#23
In France, you get six weeks off before labor and 10 weeks after. You may shift this split to four weeks and then 12 weeks with a doctor's note. This time off is mandatory and your pay is about 90%. For a country that's sometimes touted as 'socialistic,' this paid time off doesn't seem that much. I'm grateful but I would gladly take more!
#24
In New Zealand, you can have up to 36 weeks of paid leave. The government pays either parent about $450 a week after tax regardless of what your salary is. Your employer also has to keep your job for you and follow a full integration process. We also have mandatory four weeks of paid leave each year and ten paid sick days. It’s absolutely scary to think about jobs with no paid leave.
Maria 2 years ago
Portugal: You can choose to share the parental leave, thus giving you 180 days (6 months). Usually, if is is only maternal leave its between 120 and 150 days. Mothers have to take 42 days (mandatory). Fathers have 20 days with 5 to be used immediately after birth. So we decided that I would take the 42 mandatory days and he would take his 20 days and then he would take the remaining days of the paternal leave because he was an employee and would be paid despite not working, plus he had some overtime and used those days. I was a freelancer getting paid by task. He received full salary for 150 days and 80% after that, until the 180th day. Our baby was born in June, so my partner only worked for a week and was off until January.
#25
In India, where we are struggling with over-population the women atleast dont have to suffer due to lack of maternity leave.
In order to get maternity leaves, woman employee needs to have minimum 80 working days.
Women employees can avail 8 weeks maternity leave before the expected delivery date and remaining 18 weeks maternity leave will be given after delivery date.
12 weeks of maternity leave will be given to adopting mothers and women employees who have surrogates.
Every employer who has 50 or more than 50 employees will need to arrange creche facilities within 1 km of working areas and 4 visits will be allowed to women employees. These 4 visits include regular intervals of rest. Earlier only 2 visits will be given under nursing breaks for the child less than 15 months old. The above are the changes in maternity benefit act 1961.
The woman employees who are under ESI scheme will get the salary for maternity leave period from ESIC, for remaining women employees employer will pay the salary.
suvrata bored panda 2 years ago (edited)
Just to add here for government employees there is additional CCL(Child care leave) which can be availed anytime till the child reach 18yrs of age. The age limit is absent for the parents of special need child.
#26
California teacher here. People assume that teachers get paid maternity leave (this is possibly because there are a lot of young professionals and mothers in the field), but the truth is we do NOT. We get zero days of paid leave. We get the federally mandated 12 weeks unpaid leave, but if we need financial support during that time we have to use our sick leave. This means that most of us can’t take the full 12 weeks off.
I think a lot of us go into teaching with the hope that it will fit well into a parenting schedule (kids at school while you’re at work, summer and winter breaks) without realizing that we have very few options when it comes to maternity leave. Furthermore, if you get pregnant before getting tenured, there is a very real chance that you could lose your position. Teachers who are not tenured are on temporary contracts. When the school year ends, so does your job, unless the school 'invites' you back. Being pregnant does not improve your odds.
Trisha Howson 2 years ago
This is sad we should make it better for women in this country. I'm telling you. Not pay when your on leave that just ant right. But I'm shore other people feel different
#27
In Germany, each parent can take up to three years of parental leave per child. In the case of the mother, this three years includes a legally prescribed six weeks after birth, during which the mother must stay home. Fathers can start parental leave at childbirth. Both parents have to take at least a part of parental leave before the child turns three and parental leave must conclude before the child's eighth birthday. Aside from these rules, parents are free to choose the beginning and end of their parental leave.
Charlotte Lauber 2 years ago
This is not correct. You have to stay at home 8 weeks after giving birth. Incorrect, too: Not both parents HAVE to take parental leave; they can, but it's not a must.
#28
Russian 166 weeks have their downside. 1) Though they are paid, the amount of payment is capped. It was like 25% of my salary when I worked in Russia (software engineer) 2) Many employers try to avoid hiring a woman of “reproductive” age, as they have to find a temporary worker for her while she is on a maternity leave; also the compensation should be paid by an employer - though it will be reimbursed by the state later, employers don’t like to spend their money that way. (I’ve read in some blog that some manager once told something like: “You have sex, and I have to pay for that”). And even if they hire a woman, they may ask her on a job interview if she is married, or if she plans to have kids (those questions are illegal, but…) 3) Even though it’s illegal to fire a pregnant person or a person who is on maternity leave, may employers find a legal way to do so 4) The maternity leave can’t be shared between parents
KM 2 years ago
#4 is incorrect. There are 2 types of parental leave in Russia: medical leave only the mother has to get better after giving birth and the actual parental leave for up to 3 years (1.5 years paid 60% of your income, insignificant after that). Now this 3 years can be used by any parent OR a great parent. Two people cannot be on leave for one child simultaneously, but the overall time can be shared. In the public sector getting fired while pregnant is pretty much impossible, private can be tricky but you can (and many successfully have) fight it in court.
#29
In Poland women are usually give something like a sick leave (paid) for always the whole of the pregnancy. You can kinda chose if you want to stay at home or not. Then you have 1 year of paid maternity leave (paid around 70%). I think you can also make it into 2 years and spread the money over 2 years. Even if you are not employed permanently you will get 1000 pln per month (around 250 usd but it so worth much more in Poland).
Gosiaatje 2 years ago (edited)
Well, in Poland you can get a sick leave during your pregnancy if your pregnancy is high-risk but anytime you can expect an unexpected visit from someone from the National Insurance Company (ZUS) to see if you're not cheating. I worked until I was 7 months pregnant which is when some risks actually appeared (had to stay very briefly in the hospital). You get 80% of your salary for the first year and cannot spread it to 2 years. After the 1st year you can stay with your child at home for up to 3 more years (unpaid) or use the remaining unpaid leave anytime you wish until your child is 6. You're protected from getting fired during all this time. Both parents can take the unpaid leave.
#30
In Japan, maternity leave refers to the medical leave that mothers are entitled to take on either side of their due date. It is approximately six weeks prior to her due date and eight weeks post). There is no equivalent leave for fathers, but some employers offer leave in addition to the mandatory entitlements (such as a week or two of 'paid paternity leave') to fathers around the time of the birth.
What do you think ?
Seabeast 2 years ago
Hence the Republican rush to get abortion outlawed everywhere. Fewer women are having babies because it's so hard, so they want to force them to. Contraception will be next on the hit list.
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DrBronxx 2 years ago (edited)
In my role, one of my jobs was to tell an employee that he can have a day off to see his baby, but then he has to be back at work immediately after that. It's having to do things like that, and having arguments with my boss about it, that have made me decide to quit my job.
Carrie Laughs 2 years ago
Hope you find something better, or at least better bosses. It's hard when we need to work and have little say in the rules that come with the country we're born in. Good luck.
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Jiska Veldhuizen 2 years ago (edited)
The Netherlands here: You get 16 weeks of fully paid maternity leave. Usally 4 or 6 weeks before your due date and the rest afterwards. Men get 2 weeks paid paternity leave. After you can take up to 26 weeks additional leave, 9 weeks have to be paid at least 70% (although it depends on your employer, my job pays 100%) the rest of the weeks are unpaid but again, depends on your employer. My job pays 70% for 4 weeks extra. Parental leave can be split between both parents until the child is 8. Also if you have a lower income you get money from the goverment to pay for childcare. And last, our country is the only one in the world where you get maternity care at your home for at least a week. A special nurse comes is daily to check on you and the baby, help with the rest of your family, do small chores to keep your house running and if you have any questions according to the baby or breastfeeding she wil help you. It is almost fully paid for by the goverment
Seabeast 2 years ago
Hence the Republican rush to get abortion outlawed everywhere. Fewer women are having babies because it's so hard, so they want to force them to. Contraception will be next on the hit list.
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In my role, one of my jobs was to tell an employee that he can have a day off to see his baby, but then he has to be back at work immediately after that. It's having to do things like that, and having arguments with my boss about it, that have made me decide to quit my job.
Carrie Laughs 2 years ago
Hope you find something better, or at least better bosses. It's hard when we need to work and have little say in the rules that come with the country we're born in. Good luck.
Load More Replies... Jiska Veldhuizen 2 years ago (edited)
The Netherlands here: You get 16 weeks of fully paid maternity leave. Usally 4 or 6 weeks before your due date and the rest afterwards. Men get 2 weeks paid paternity leave. After you can take up to 26 weeks additional leave, 9 weeks have to be paid at least 70% (although it depends on your employer, my job pays 100%) the rest of the weeks are unpaid but again, depends on your employer. My job pays 70% for 4 weeks extra. Parental leave can be split between both parents until the child is 8. Also if you have a lower income you get money from the goverment to pay for childcare. And last, our country is the only one in the world where you get maternity care at your home for at least a week. A special nurse comes is daily to check on you and the baby, help with the rest of your family, do small chores to keep your house running and if you have any questions according to the baby or breastfeeding she wil help you. It is almost fully paid for by the goverment
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