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Woman Sparks Debates About How Low-Income Folks Can’t Even Afford To Hold A Job Because Of Ridiculously High Indirect Job Expenses
Woman Sparks Debates About How Low-Income Folks Can’t Even Afford To Hold A Job Because Of Ridiculously High Indirect Job Expenses
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Woman Sparks Debates About How Low-Income Folks Can’t Even Afford To Hold A Job Because Of Ridiculously High Indirect Job Expenses

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People who don’t have much money are disadvantaged in life in many aspects. Not only do they struggle with rent, with keeping up with their car, medical emergencies and just simple groceries, they also can’t afford to get a better job.

It sounds like a paradox because to have more money, you need a better job, but you can’t get a better job because you have no money. It’s a thought that Twitter user Anna Kruk Corbin pointed out and people in the comments strongly agreed, contributing to the discussion and expanding on why it is very true.

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    To have money, you need to work, but turns out that poor people can’t afford to do that

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    Anna Kruk Corbin introduces herself as a mom, a wife, an activist, and a speaker on her social media. In 2019, one of her tweets went viral and it is still pinned on her account. The woman shared a conversation she had with a person who laughed at her statement.

    The point that the woman was trying to make was that poor people can’t afford to get a job because to have a job, you need money for gas or public transportation, if there is any. You need to have representative clothes, which are not always available for people with low income.

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    A Twitter user explained that to get a job, you need to have money for gas, child care and meet dress code requirements

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    Not getting through an interview based on what you wear sounds ridiculous, but it can happen if the interviewer expects you to show up dressed up in a certain manner because there is an assumption that the way you dress reflects what kind of person you are.

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    A survey commissioned by Greene King revealed that 51 percent of hiring managers and bosses in the UK judge a potential employee by their looks. Of those managers and bosses who judge people based on their looks, 40 percent have chosen not to hire a person based on their clothes.

    Overall, 90 percent of respondents confessed that they expect a professional appearance and agreed that it is a factor taken into consideration when choosing a candidate.

    Others agreed and added that people also need internet access, a phone, sometimes a car and products for basic hygiene

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    Anna Kruk Corbin’s tweet struck a sensitive topic as many others joined the conversation and added more things that make having a job unaffordable. You need to have an internet connection, a phone, have somewhere to leave your kids and it usually means daycare you pay for, having money for basic hygiene products or some jobs may require you to have your own vehicle.

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    While some people can’t afford the tools to get a high-paying job like a car or representative clothing, others find that working isn’t paying off. They can’t afford to work because it takes more than it gives. Many people in the comments of the thread mentioned how people work just to not seem lazy, but they are losing money because they earn less than they spend on child daycare.

    Not everyone has that, but it is quite an important part of being able to get a job and to maintain it

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    This is not a new realization people just came to, but it’s been talked about previously as well. John The CPA defines what “I can’t afford to work here” means: “Simply put, when the benefits of employment do not sufficiently outweigh the costs of living and employment, a person can no longer afford to work for their employer.”

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    Surveys show that employers do pay attention to candidates’ appearance, so the clothing part is true

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    The costs and benefits that John the CPA suggests considering are costs of living, which include housing, food, healthcare and childcare, and costs of employment, which include time spent learning to do the job and then working, time and money spent commuting to work and socializing with coworkers.

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    The benefits that go with having a job are wage or salary, insurance, retirement benefits, the networking effects of employment, skills and experience you get from the job. John the CPA notes that “It’s important to remember that these benefits and costs will have different levels of importance depending on your priorities and personal situation. You may be willing to work extra hours in exchange for a higher salary, but someone else may not be prepared to make that same tradeoff.”

    It’s also true that not everyone has a car and daycare does cost a lot and may cost more than a person earns

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    The natural reaction to not being able to afford working is not to work, but then you will appear lazy and feel lazy for not trying hard enough. You can try to ask for a raise, but most often the argument of your wage being too small and unlivable doesn’t work.

    National Fund For Workforce Solutions suggests that employers “talk to their employees and find out what would help them the most. Solutions might be providing assistance with transportation expenses, such as providing bus passes or a shuttle. It might be more predictable schedules that would even out their incomes week-to-week or month-to-month. It could be small emergency loans to cover a car breakdown.” Although they concluded that bigger wages would be the best way to ensure people’s work is fairly compensated.

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    After considering these things, you realize that the statement that the poor can’t afford to work isn’t wrong after all

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    Do you agree with the Twitter user that by just being poor, you’re already disadvantaged when you’re searching for a job? What do you think are other reasons that prevent poor people from finding a job and for it to be well-paying? Join in the discussion in the comments!

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    Danielle Ocasio Fast
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am currently in this predicament...I am a non driver due to a sleep disorder and live in a small rural community. I am the custodian at my church and work minimal hours. I also receive government assistance. I WANT to be a productive member of society and work more...I WANT to provide a better life for my children and to be a better role model. But, if I get a different (better paying) job all of my benefits decrease and my bills increase. Plus, I'd have to pay for childcare and transportation. I've done the math and I would be worse off financially than I am now... And my relationships with my children would suffer as well. Because of my sleep disorder I'd be completely wiped out & basically bea zombie once home. It's not worth it. I'd rather be poor financially and have rich relationships with my children. Maybe if there was a buffer period in which benefits would remain the same (for a time) and give an individual the opportunity to get a leg up? The system is built to keep me p

    May light defeat the darkness
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This reminds me of a housekeeper working in my husband’s workplace. The facility is surrounded by woods. It turns out he set up a tent in the woods and takes a shower in the facility. Someone snitched and according to my husband he was fired. I was thinking instead of firing him I hope that they offered to help him out with housing even a temporary one. He might be struggling to stand up in his feet and at least he tried to keep a job. This is in North Vancouver- one of the most expensive places to live in BC, Canada.

    Praecordia
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That’s super shitty of whoever snitched, they should of offered him help. That’s a person who's trying.

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    Moonerdizzle
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe my company isn't totally garbage. We have boots for people who can't afford safety toe boots when they start. We offer help with public transportation and you are able to have alternative hours to work with child care and public transportation. I have personally brought new workers that didn't have safety toe boots to get a pair. That pair of boots don't matter to me as much as having a good worker.

    sofacushionfort
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the US, OSHA requires the employer to provide PPE (footwear, safety glasses, etc.) unless it can be worn as normal attire outside work. A lot of employers exploit this loophole. So you’re correct: you guys are not garbage

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    West Hermans
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a part-time job offer that would pay $10,000 per year. Most likely I have to turn it down, because I'd lose my health insurance otherwise. But I wouldn't make enough to pay for decent health insurance.

    Praecordia
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That so f****d up. Im so sick of the healthcare options in the US. Why should this be anyones situation, ever? It’s so wrong.

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    Vishy
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The government and corporations want us to be poor and underfed so we would be slaves to their demand. While a few hold billions and not taxed, we get taxed for everything including third rate Healthcare.

    Jasam Nitko
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is how I ended up being a stay at home mom back in the day. The cost of day care for the kids was far more than I earned.

    Melinda
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is actually very true, and unfortunately very relatable. My boyfriend lost his job unexpectedly just under 4 weeks ago, due to not fault of his own. I am employed but it's not enough due to the high cost of living in our area. He applied for unemployment but unemployment in our state of Pennsylvania is notorious for taking forever to process unemployment claims. In the past few weeks we quickly fell behind on utilities, and at one point I barely had enough money to pay for gas to get to work. My boyfriend has another job, but we have to wait a week before he gets a full pay check. Unemployment still hasn't reviewed his claim, if we had that money we wouldn't be behind at all.

    Misty Moon
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unemployment is a joke everywhere in the US. When they finally got around to approving me, 6 months had passed. They paid me for 6 months then decided to deny me and now I owe them the 6months pay they granted me because they said I wasn't qualified. I was working full time and was working really hard for a promotion. My physical health isn't great but I was hopeful about the promotion so I really pushed myself. Found out the manager directly above me was basically using me and had no intention of getting me that promotion! So, I was done killing myself and decided to quit. BUT because the upper management offered me part time in an effort to keep me around, that is what unemployment used to deny me. Problem is, I was driving 2 hrs round trip to get to/from work and even at full time I was barely making ends meet! Part time wouldn't have even covered the gas to get there! I went into a deep depression waiting for unemployment in the first place. We spent the winter with no heat and panhandling just to have gas to be able to get groceries. Not to mention no electricity and no running water. I tried reiterating that part time work with that company wouldn't even cover travel time get there but, unemployment still decided I owe them for that 6 months. At least I was getting food stamps but even then we relied A LOT on food boxes WHEN we had enough gas to go get them. (Side note, we live in an rv so didn't get much help because we were technically not homeless). The system is bs all around!

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    Seedy Vine
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One time I was trying to get back on my feet after being homeless. I tried interviewing with a staffing agency and they wouldn't place me into a job until I bought nylons. So I bought nylons instead of food. I literally had to go without food to get a job. I didn't resort to stealing the nylons... but I see why people might.

    Leeca Aldrich
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I sincerely hope you are in a better place now. I too have been poor and homeless, it's tough to get a job.

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    busymum
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I work my whole income will go to childcare and the help we get with our rent from gov will stop, so we'll have no money for food and bills. Either way we can't save for a deposit or get a mortgage. I wish the gov would see it would be better if they helped us buying a house instead of helping with the rent, we'd pay back with the excess we're paying at the moment and own something at the end... the way it is it's just draining money from both us and gov

    Rens
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was living in my car (7 seater people carrier with no back seats) for 7 months with my 2 cats. I had everything but a home address so I lied, used the last address I'd lived at with mail forwarding to a rented post box. I was clean (daily strip wash in cold water in my car) and I had clean clothes. As soon as I had enough money saved, I moved into a proper place and gave my employer my new address. Unfortunately they found out when a letter was returned from my old address. I got fired. In desperation I took a live-in position... That is a whole other nightmare story.

    Melinda
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's crazy that they fired you over that!

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    Danielle Ocasio Fast
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am currently in this predicament...I am a non driver due to a sleep disorder and live in a small rural community. I am the custodian at my church and work minimal hours. I also receive government assistance. I WANT to be a productive member of society and work more...I WANT to provide a better life for my children and to be a better role model. But, if I get a different (better paying) job all of my benefits decrease and my bills increase. Plus, I'd have to pay for childcare and transportation. I've done the math and I would be worse off financially than I am now... And my relationships with my children would suffer as well. Because of my sleep disorder I'd be completely wiped out & basically bea zombie once home. It's not worth it. I'd rather be poor financially and have rich relationships with my children. Maybe if there was a buffer period in which benefits would remain the same (for a time) and give an individual the opportunity to get a leg up? The system is built to keep me p

    May light defeat the darkness
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This reminds me of a housekeeper working in my husband’s workplace. The facility is surrounded by woods. It turns out he set up a tent in the woods and takes a shower in the facility. Someone snitched and according to my husband he was fired. I was thinking instead of firing him I hope that they offered to help him out with housing even a temporary one. He might be struggling to stand up in his feet and at least he tried to keep a job. This is in North Vancouver- one of the most expensive places to live in BC, Canada.

    Praecordia
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That’s super shitty of whoever snitched, they should of offered him help. That’s a person who's trying.

    Load More Replies...
    Moonerdizzle
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe my company isn't totally garbage. We have boots for people who can't afford safety toe boots when they start. We offer help with public transportation and you are able to have alternative hours to work with child care and public transportation. I have personally brought new workers that didn't have safety toe boots to get a pair. That pair of boots don't matter to me as much as having a good worker.

    sofacushionfort
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the US, OSHA requires the employer to provide PPE (footwear, safety glasses, etc.) unless it can be worn as normal attire outside work. A lot of employers exploit this loophole. So you’re correct: you guys are not garbage

    Load More Replies...
    West Hermans
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a part-time job offer that would pay $10,000 per year. Most likely I have to turn it down, because I'd lose my health insurance otherwise. But I wouldn't make enough to pay for decent health insurance.

    Praecordia
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That so f****d up. Im so sick of the healthcare options in the US. Why should this be anyones situation, ever? It’s so wrong.

    Load More Replies...
    Vishy
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The government and corporations want us to be poor and underfed so we would be slaves to their demand. While a few hold billions and not taxed, we get taxed for everything including third rate Healthcare.

    Jasam Nitko
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is how I ended up being a stay at home mom back in the day. The cost of day care for the kids was far more than I earned.

    Melinda
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is actually very true, and unfortunately very relatable. My boyfriend lost his job unexpectedly just under 4 weeks ago, due to not fault of his own. I am employed but it's not enough due to the high cost of living in our area. He applied for unemployment but unemployment in our state of Pennsylvania is notorious for taking forever to process unemployment claims. In the past few weeks we quickly fell behind on utilities, and at one point I barely had enough money to pay for gas to get to work. My boyfriend has another job, but we have to wait a week before he gets a full pay check. Unemployment still hasn't reviewed his claim, if we had that money we wouldn't be behind at all.

    Misty Moon
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unemployment is a joke everywhere in the US. When they finally got around to approving me, 6 months had passed. They paid me for 6 months then decided to deny me and now I owe them the 6months pay they granted me because they said I wasn't qualified. I was working full time and was working really hard for a promotion. My physical health isn't great but I was hopeful about the promotion so I really pushed myself. Found out the manager directly above me was basically using me and had no intention of getting me that promotion! So, I was done killing myself and decided to quit. BUT because the upper management offered me part time in an effort to keep me around, that is what unemployment used to deny me. Problem is, I was driving 2 hrs round trip to get to/from work and even at full time I was barely making ends meet! Part time wouldn't have even covered the gas to get there! I went into a deep depression waiting for unemployment in the first place. We spent the winter with no heat and panhandling just to have gas to be able to get groceries. Not to mention no electricity and no running water. I tried reiterating that part time work with that company wouldn't even cover travel time get there but, unemployment still decided I owe them for that 6 months. At least I was getting food stamps but even then we relied A LOT on food boxes WHEN we had enough gas to go get them. (Side note, we live in an rv so didn't get much help because we were technically not homeless). The system is bs all around!

    Load More Replies...
    Seedy Vine
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One time I was trying to get back on my feet after being homeless. I tried interviewing with a staffing agency and they wouldn't place me into a job until I bought nylons. So I bought nylons instead of food. I literally had to go without food to get a job. I didn't resort to stealing the nylons... but I see why people might.

    Leeca Aldrich
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I sincerely hope you are in a better place now. I too have been poor and homeless, it's tough to get a job.

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    busymum
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I work my whole income will go to childcare and the help we get with our rent from gov will stop, so we'll have no money for food and bills. Either way we can't save for a deposit or get a mortgage. I wish the gov would see it would be better if they helped us buying a house instead of helping with the rent, we'd pay back with the excess we're paying at the moment and own something at the end... the way it is it's just draining money from both us and gov

    Rens
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was living in my car (7 seater people carrier with no back seats) for 7 months with my 2 cats. I had everything but a home address so I lied, used the last address I'd lived at with mail forwarding to a rented post box. I was clean (daily strip wash in cold water in my car) and I had clean clothes. As soon as I had enough money saved, I moved into a proper place and gave my employer my new address. Unfortunately they found out when a letter was returned from my old address. I got fired. In desperation I took a live-in position... That is a whole other nightmare story.

    Melinda
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's crazy that they fired you over that!

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