Mom Says She’s Uncomfortable With Single Dad Being In Her Mom Group, So They Go On Without Her
Having kids who go to school or daycare usually means having to socialize with other parents. Whether it’s about school matters or organizing playdates, keeping a good relationship is important. Not only does it make drop-off and pick-up easier, but it helps your child make friends more easily, too. When they’re at this age, parents decide who they will socialize with.
But even parent friend groups aren’t immune to sexism. In this story, a single mother protested a widower dad joining their mom group chat. She claimed she didn’t feel comfortable with a stranger having her contact information. Yet other mothers called her behavior out as sexist and hypocritical. What do you think, Pandas?
Parents often create group chats to communicate about school and daycare-related things
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But this mother wanted to keep the chat strictly men-free for some reason
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Single dads still face discrimination in society
However ironic that may be, dads experience gender bias in parent groups. For many families, it’s still the mom’s duty to arrange playdates, drop kids off, and pick them up from school. Naturally, the moms form parent groups where they arrange for their kids to socialize and keep each other informed about daycare and school-related things. So, if a single dad comes into the picture, they should accept him in the group, too, right?
Deakin University actually did some research on this, and they found mom groups should be more inclusive to dads. “Sadly, based on what the participants told us, the fathers who did express an interest in parents groups quickly realised it was a female-dominated space and stopped attending,” Lead Researcher Norma Barrett said.
This story is a great example of how some moms don’t want dads in their mom groups. And this situation is not a one-off thing. Author and single parent Talon Windwalker shared his experience of how he would face sexism from other parents often.
“People are absolutely stunned when they discover that I adopted Tigger as a single parent,” he writes. “‘But where is the mother?’ There is no mother. ‘Did she die? Are you divorced?’ They can’t comprehend it.”
The school staff would often assume that Windwalker wouldn’t put much effort into helping out with events. Then the teachers would act surprised when he would come in with a batch of homemade pumpkin harvest cookies.
Even less pleasant assumptions used to be about his son’s hygiene. When the boy would go to school in ripped jeans and a stained hoodie, the teachers assumed that the father was neglectful. In reality, the father and son would discuss this, and he would let the child know he looked dirty.
Another dad, who’s the primary carer for his children, Charlie Pinker, describes how out-of-place he felt in the world of “mom groups.” “Generally, anything directed towards parents seems to still be overwhelmingly directed specifically towards the mums.”
And while he agrees that it makes sense, he couldn’t help but feel left out. “I guess I wanted to be acknowledged; to see that dads were recognised as being fully capable self-sufficient parents as well as mums,” he wrote.
Mommy cliques can be toxic to mothers as well as to fathers
Generally, parent groups are important for parents as they provide much-needed support. “The transition to parenthood can be an anxious time for both mothers and fathers. The arrival of a first child affects multiple facets of parents’ lives including their physical, mental and social health,” Dr. Barret explained when talking about her research.
“Previous research shows first-time parents groups are beneficial to both mums and dads. As well as providing parenting information, they nurture family connection, provide peer support and [offer] a sense of community connectedness.”
However, sometimes, mom groups can also turn into pretty toxic cliques. Some parents describe socializing with fellow parents as being back in middle school. The awkwardness, the dirty side looks, the excluding one parent from lunch plans – it’s like reverting to being in third grade.
Family Psychotherapist Dr. Fran Walfish Calgary’s Child Magazine says that while it may be hard to believe that adult people behave this way, it does happen. First, she advises people to look inward. Maybe it’s not a “them” problem. Maybe it’s a “you” problem. “Really ask yourself if there’s anything about you that might be a turnoff and try to work on yourself first before you point a finger outward,” she said.
It’s up to the new addition to the parent group to show they’re willing to do the work. That’s why Walfish recommends showing initiative: volunteering for a daycare/school event, for example. If that doesn’t work, try looking for a partner in crime within the group. It’s natural to not click with some people, so a parent shouldn’t strive to be everybody’s friend. Finding that one warm, responsive parent in the group might be the key to fitting in.
Lastly, while parent groups are beneficial and handy, it’s okay not to be a part of one. Having to deal with drama aside, it can also show a great example to your child about being independent and having strong friendships instead of seeking popularity. Not every parent is part of a clique, so don’t be afraid to not be one of the sectarians. It might even work out for the better in the end.
People in the comments called the woman out for her hypocrisy
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I love how she feels it's rude to exclude her own kids from a play date but she would have had no problem excluding this man's kids because she feels "uncomfortable" without even knowing him. Her past with her kids dad is her own problem to deal with, it can't become everyone else's, especially not this dad's kids. YTA.
The ONLY thing I can blame on the friend group is not first asking everyone in the chat if they're okay as all sorts of decisions should generally be made in a team, but OP is still TA for her double standard behavior.
Load More Replies...Queer dads with a 10yo son here. Have only had one issue with other parents & play dates. Usually, the women in the parent group lean toward accessorizing us which we push back against & set healthy boundaries around. A few years back one mom mentioned in private to another that she wasn’t comfortable with 2 gays raising a boy. As a single mom, the dad 3000+ miles away she even tried to pull the “a child needs a mom & a dad” c**p. The parent to whom she spewed her homophobic diatribe immediately started a new text chat, told us what the other mom had said then made it clear this was our new parent group as she wasn’t comfortable being in a group or chat or anyway involved with such a bigot. I have to say it made us feel very seen & supported. The mother who wasn’t comfortable with us has never questioned why she was no longer part of the conversation. I think she thought she was going to take a stand of some sort, tested it out with another parent then realized that wasn’t gonna fly.
A couple of the moms inform her in person if all the kids are getting together for an event or playdate. We often meet at my house, so they tell her that, too. They’ve even offered to taxi her kid back & forth so she doesn’t have to set foot in our apparent den of sin. She hasn’t once let her son be involved with any outside social events. Tho, he does have playdates with a set of twins 3 years/grades younger than him, from what we’ve heard. Just not with his own classmates. So sad.
Load More Replies...I love how she feels it's rude to exclude her own kids from a play date but she would have had no problem excluding this man's kids because she feels "uncomfortable" without even knowing him. Her past with her kids dad is her own problem to deal with, it can't become everyone else's, especially not this dad's kids. YTA.
The ONLY thing I can blame on the friend group is not first asking everyone in the chat if they're okay as all sorts of decisions should generally be made in a team, but OP is still TA for her double standard behavior.
Load More Replies...Queer dads with a 10yo son here. Have only had one issue with other parents & play dates. Usually, the women in the parent group lean toward accessorizing us which we push back against & set healthy boundaries around. A few years back one mom mentioned in private to another that she wasn’t comfortable with 2 gays raising a boy. As a single mom, the dad 3000+ miles away she even tried to pull the “a child needs a mom & a dad” c**p. The parent to whom she spewed her homophobic diatribe immediately started a new text chat, told us what the other mom had said then made it clear this was our new parent group as she wasn’t comfortable being in a group or chat or anyway involved with such a bigot. I have to say it made us feel very seen & supported. The mother who wasn’t comfortable with us has never questioned why she was no longer part of the conversation. I think she thought she was going to take a stand of some sort, tested it out with another parent then realized that wasn’t gonna fly.
A couple of the moms inform her in person if all the kids are getting together for an event or playdate. We often meet at my house, so they tell her that, too. They’ve even offered to taxi her kid back & forth so she doesn’t have to set foot in our apparent den of sin. She hasn’t once let her son be involved with any outside social events. Tho, he does have playdates with a set of twins 3 years/grades younger than him, from what we’ve heard. Just not with his own classmates. So sad.
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