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Mom Introduces BF’s Parents To Her Toddler As ‘Grandma And Grandpa,’ It Costs Her Relationship
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Mom Introduces BF’s Parents To Her Toddler As ‘Grandma And Grandpa,’ It Costs Her Relationship

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My biological father divorced my mother when I was still a toddler and has been in my life sporadically since then. However, often enough that I remember some of his favorite phrases. One of them is “don’t run ahead of the locomotive!” (yes, he was a railroader).

And, damn it, this is an incredibly wise principle that many of us are so lacking in following. For example, the user u/Character_Bed_1205, the author of our story today. A single mom, who so wanted her boyfriend to replace her son’s father that her wishful thinking took over…

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The author of the post is a 29-year-old woman with a 4-year-old son and she had been dating another man for the last 1.5 years

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The woman says that her boyfriend, “Jay”, was an awesome man and had always treated her son perfectly

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Last Thanksgiving the woman and her son visited Jay, and his parents also came over

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The woman introduced Jay’s parents to her son as ‘grandma and grandpa’ thus actually upsetting both them and her boyfriend as well

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A fight happened, and this situation actually cost the woman her relationship, as Jay decided to break up soon after

So, some quick background now – the original poster (OP) is 29 years old and has a 4-year-old son whose biological dad is not involved in his life at all. And for a year and a half prior to the situation, the woman had been dating a 25-year-old guy named “Jay,” who, in her own words, seemed like the most amazing man in the world.

In particular, Jay always communicated wonderfully with the boy, willingly played with him, and behaved in a way that not every father is given. However, even after a year and a half of a relationship, the author and Jay still lived separately. And she had seen the guy’s parents literally a couple of times, no more. And so, last Thanksgiving, mother and son went to visit Jay.

The boyfriend’s parents, who had never met the OP’s son before, also came to the gathering. And when the man’s father asked: “Who is this little guy?”, she responded by introducing Jay’s parents as “grandparents” to her son. Hmm… there was a tense silence after that, and the only one who didn’t feel anything was actually the boy.

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The tension at the festive table was so palpable that it seemed you could touch it with your hands. Jay’s parents were rather cold with the OP – although they remained impeccably polite, but the holiday obviously got ruined, and soon the representatives of the older generation left.

And here Jay finally vented to his emotions, asking his girlfriend why she put him in such an awkward position in front of his parents. After all, they, in turn, hadn’t even imagined that the relationship was “that serious,” and asked the son a question – whether the author perceived him as “a replacement daddy.”

The woman, in turn, was sincerely perplexed by Jay’s reaction – after all, as it seemed to her, they had been dating for a long time, and things were quite logically moving towards the fact that sooner or later they’d become a full-fledged family. Jay perhaps didn’t think so – and the fight continued until the moment when the OP stormed out of his house.

However, after consulting with friends and her sister, our heroine began to realize that there was a certain gap between her expectations and reality, and that, obviously, Jay perceived their relationship in a slightly different way.

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It ended with her calling both Jay and his parents and apologizing. However, this didn’t save the relationship – soon she and Jay met and, after talking, decided to break up. According to the guy himself, the OP’s reaction to this situation played a significant role in this decision on his part.

As for our heroine, she admits that what happened became an important life lesson for her, and she will now go into her next relationship understanding that her expectations from the partner may differ from their own. And according to the author, she also needs to work on her own communication skills. Let’s wish her good luck. To her and her son for sure.

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“I think this situation should really serve as a valuable lesson for this woman,” says Irina Matveeva, a psychologist and certified NLP specialist, with whom Bored Panda got in touch for a comment over this case. “After all, one of the principles of healthy relationships is that no matter how confident you are in the reaction of your significant other, always ask and clarify in advance. After all, your vision may differ significantly from their vision, and from reality too.”

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“Yes, no matter how insightful we may seem to ourselves, we still won’t be able to get into another person’s head. Therefore, we need to ask and clarify. Clarify and ask. And do this very delicately and diplomatically, because any relationship is also about not hurting the feelings of another person,” Irina summarizes.

As for the commenters on the original post, in the first part – before the OP’s update, in which our heroine talks about how she changed her attitude towards the situation – people mostly criticized her. “It’s quite a big assumption for you to have your kid refer to anyone by grandma/grandpa. You should’ve run it by your boyfriend beforehand,” one of the responders wrote.

Most of all, in this case, the commenters felt sorry, of course, for the original poster’s little son, for whom this situation was most likely quite traumatic. “You owe everyone, including your son, an apology,” another person added in the comments. “You created an unnecessary core memory for your poor son,” someone else wrote quite reasonably.

However, after the author’s update, the attitude of commenters towards her softened. “I’m pleased that you’ve taken this as an opportunity to reflect and grow as a person. Sorry to hear it was such a tough lesson,” one of the folks responded. “Well, time to start anew then. And I guess this serves as a life lesson to not assume things about people’s motivations,” another commenter pondered. And what do you, our dear readers, think about this particular story?

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People in the comments claimed that the woman was wrong for not consulting Jay in advance, and that she traumatized her son as well

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Oleg Tarasenko

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After many years of working as sports journalist and trivia game author and host in Ukraine I joined Bored Panda as a content creator. I do love writing stories and I sincerely believe - there's no dull plots at all. Like a great Italian composer Joaquino Rossini once told: "Give me a police protocol - and I'll make an opera out of it!"

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DrBronxx
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm fully on board that OP was in the wrong in this specific situation. Introducing effective strangers as "grandma and grandpa," without even discussing it with your partner is, at best, weird. One thing that does bother me though - they'd been together for a year and a half. That's a pretty long time. Conversations about the long-term never came up? Surely I would have thought that would be really important, especially with a small child involved.

Alyssa Phillips
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. Introducing the parents as grandparents was wrong, but after a year and a half the bf isn't sure he wants to be dad?

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Marnie
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP was definitely in the wrong here. On a side note, if you're dating a single parent, you better be looking for a marriage partner. (This is not a comment on OP's situations specifically.) This doesn't mean jumping into it. You get to know each other for a couple of years first. And as soon as they know the parent is not the one for them, they need to get out immediately. But I've heard too many times of people dating someone who has a child, knowing that they have no intention of EVER marrying them or being a parent figure. That's cruel, unless the parent specifically says he/she just wants to mess around. In that case, the children should NEVER be introduced to the parent's sex partner, so as not to get their hearts broken.

Dim T
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I dont see why that would be the case. Maybe they want to keep their dating life separate. You're basically saying that unless you wish to be a coparent you need to get out of there. But not all married ppl with children are looking for coparents, just romantic partners. Indeed the number of ppl who even gets married yet makes it clear that their spouse is not to interfere in how they raise their children is actually quite large. You're way of based. Whats important is thaf expectations are matched, but there is no one set of expectations

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Little Miss Lady
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BF should have been upfront from the beginning about being unsure if he wanted to be in a relationship with someone who already has a child/children. Don't date a single parent if you're unsure about taking on the responsibility of a child. OP was also in the wrong for telling her child to call her bf's parents 'Grandma' and 'Grandpa' for many reasons. The main one being it's confusing for her child. At least OP was able to grow from this experience and realize where she went wrong. I hope her kid is ok.

ValdaDeDieu
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm going to say that there's something seriously wrong with that family and she's better off. You know how long a year and a half is in the life of a child? What was the big deal? So she made a mistake; it was one that was understandable. Couldn't they have laughed it off and she and BF have a discussion? People telling her "YTA" are wrong. Yes, she could have asked in advance -- but when? It's a RED FLAG that it took a full YEAR AND A HALF for the parents to be introduced to her - but okay. SO she's painted with a red letter because she has a child? WTAUF?

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Pamela24
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe I'm being to nice but I really appreciate OP's response. She's not perfect by any means and she was definitely TA in the situation but she sounds like someone who'll learn from this and who's capable of self-reflection.

AKA AKA
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this is why people need to discuss their relationship and roles in it every now and then

Hannah
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly i just feel bad for the little boy. Whether BF thought of himself as father figure or not, this boy is 4. He's literally known bf for as long as he can remember and very likely saw him as his dad. And don't get me wrong, yeah OP was in the wrong, but BF was an a*****e too. If you get with a single parent, especially one with toddler, you need to set expectations as early as possible. If you're with them a year and a half and still haven't decided youre up to be a parent, you're wasting everyone time and risking hurting a child in the process. He should have manned up a lot sooner.

Rebel Peewee
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OK, yes she is YTA but the whole scenario with her sitting alone in the living room for an hour and a half because apparently the other three adults were so discombobulated that they couldn't even be decent during their get-together and just get through it and discuss concerns later is bizarre.

Marnie
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It was a half hour, not 1 1/2 hours, but still I agree with you there.

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Vinnie
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That was a mistake on her part, but she'll be more careful next time. One of my friends ended a relationship after nearly 2 years because he wasn't ready to settle down as someone's papa. Perfectly nice guy, just not dad material yet. Since then, he's married someone else and had a much loved child. His ex-girlfriend married one of his friends (just as lovely but ready to be a father) - the little girl got an extra set of parents (two bio parents and two step-parents).

Rosalie Dann
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well apparently this page has decided to choose my response for me. However my opinion is NTA. You did However, jump the gun/ run ahead of the locomotive. You should have introduced them as Michael's Mum and Dad. That being said, after A YEAR AND A HALF DATING with him being SO GOOD with your son, WHAT THE HECK WAS HE PLAYING AT sticking with you that long WITH A CHILD in the picture still claiming not to be 'serious' ? As the Mum though you need to be more careful next time and don't assume anything. I still think his attitude was extreme and he's TA. Seems to me he was just wanting the best of both worlds - a woman, with mothering tendencies and a kid he can play with and enjoy with no responsibility and no care or concern. I have to wonder , if this had not occurred, just how many years would he have kept you dangling on his hook pretending he "wasn't sure yet how serious it was".

Hannah
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Survey did the same thing with me! BP has gotta get their touch sensors fixed. And yeah boyfriend should've split a long time ago if he'd had no plans on being a father figure. When you date a single parent, you know their kid is a package deal from the beginning. Unless your a complete imbecile.

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FreeTheUnicorn
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dating someone with kids is being open to be a step parent. Maybe you're not there yet, but at some point you expect to be a parent/step parent. If this isn't your intention, be clear and f@ck off.

Amy Jo Sackett-Needham
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After a year and a half dude needs to make up his mind. The boy and the mom can feel attached by now. I think OP just innocently introduced them that way because her and her boyfriend had been together so long. I feel she was strung along while he gets benefits and can't make a decision. After that much time, he needs to think about how the little boy feels thinking this guy might love me and my mom and stick around!

Littlemiss
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah that was my take on it. It sounded like he kept her away from his family deliberately. He'd been in there lives for a year and a half, not 3 months. I wonder if it was set up so he got to break things off like he did, leaving her to look even worse.

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Vain Black
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When someone comes to Thanksgiving dinner and you want them to treat you just like a good friend and not family... I just don't get it. I also have a lot of grandparents I'm not related to in the least so maybe I'm not seeing why Grandma and Grandpa are such sacrosanct titles. I don't care who you are, if you're at my Thanksgiving dinner you are now family.

Barbara S
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't wait a year and a half to learn you and BF are not on same page. These discussions need to happen within first 90 days. As in. Where is this relationship going? What you you want from it? What do I want from it? It takes courage and confidence, so get in the habit early on.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So she jumped thengun, but introducing her son to your parents, it's a clear signal of wanting to get there eventually. Good for OP for owning her mistaken. Boyfriend let things get far too far, and won't recognise his part, he's a bigger AH, but thank goodness OP and son won't have to deal with the in-laws.

Pittsburgh rare
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a single parent, l only date sparingly now because most men l used to meet were terrified of dating a single mother even when l said clearly that l wasn't expecting them to play the role of father. Now that my child's an adult l can't be bothered, tbh. So l understand where OP comes from, but she handled it awfully. No need to be hard on her.

Apatheist Account2
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Discuss it with partner, then confirm it with parents, before instructing child. Simples.

Sean Simpson
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was a little kid my parents had me call their friends “Aunty” or “Uncle,” especially if they were older than my parents. We weren’t a fancy bunch, so Mr. or Mrs. wouldn’t have gone over well, but my parents didn’t like little kids calling adults by their first names either. I always knew they weren’t really my Aunty or Uncle, so there was never any confusion on my part and everyone seemed to think it was a good solution. Maybe something like that would have been good to have her 4-year old to call his parents?

Audrey Darnall
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you, I grew up in the same type of household. If they were old enough to be a grand we called them that. My kids Grandma Owl is not their grandma by relation but that is her title.

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AngelWingsYT
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cringed HARD at this. Only 1 full year dating barely met the parents AND never introduced son prior and you call them grandparents. YIKES! lesson learned in a REALLY rough way

Maisey Myles
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You’re NTA! YAI- You’re An Idiot. Your poor son. I’m embarrassed for you

Dirk Daring
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP was completely delusional to think she deserved an apology. I'm glad she came around to seeing she was wrong, but this is one of those times where you have to realize that you can't unbake a cake.

Laura Harris
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It seemed BF wanted his cake and eat it too. What did he expect by dating her that long knowing she had a child? Why was he stringing her along? The parents should have used some class and enjoyed the visit and talked to their son later. Then BF could have sat down with OP and been honest with her.

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Negatoris Wrecks
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone who would've responded like she wanted them to in that scenario would be a huge red flag. She needs therapy.

Parriah
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If he isn’t sure about their relationship or being a part of a her child’s life in a consistent way after a year and a half then it’s better he bails now, at 4 he can get over it better than if he was 6 or 7 and believed he wasn’t good or wanted and the absence won’t hit him so deeeply. Mom made a mistake by assuming things a little but she’s not an AH, the boyfriend kinda is for not being more honest after so long and leading her on enough that she believed he would marry her and be permanently in their lives, he was unfair to all of them.

Paula Engler
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OK I'm going to throw out a different point of view here. I have been in OPs situation before. Not exactly like it, but similar. When you are a single parent, it is hard to find a partner that you are compatible with and who accepts your children. OP shouldn't have done what she did, that was grossly overstepping boundaries. But Jay is an a*****e in this story too. He basically played house for a year and a half with no intentions of actually taking that final step. That's a long time to be with someone. How do you not know whether you want to be with someone and be a part of their little family after 1.5 years? While I've never crossed lines like OP has, I've been in her shoes of dedicating a large chunk of time to a partner who seems all in, having serious conversations, then they leave. This is just a really sad situation for that little boy more than anything.

Amina Wijntje
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this outcome is ridiculous!!! If Jay truly felt for her he would have hashed it out with her and forgiven her. The fact he broke up with her over something that, in my eyes, is a marginal "offence" tells me the relationship wasn't that strong to begin with. Good riddance to Jay. I mean, they were together for 1.5 years, how is that not "serious"? That is not a casual fling! I call BS.

Calliope Trevelyan
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP definitely NTA Single parent dating someone a year and a half it is 100% fine to assume they're the second parent figure. You don't date people with kids without being ready for that.. And if you are dating people with toddlers and you have no intent of being a parent YTA You get a few months of potential dates without meeting the kid, then you are going to be part of their life. The child will look to you for help... Srsly... The guy is the A

Laura Harris
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think they overreacted. If they had dated less than a year, then maybe, but what did Jay expect? He knew it was a package deal. Why was he stringing her along if he wasn't that serious? At least now she knows and is free to find a real man.

Sara Frazer
Community Member
4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YIKES. The *first* time your child is introduced to these people you call them "Grandma & Grandpa" just, wow. 💀💀🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Im really surprised to that there arwnt more ESH here comments. Because they all definitely do. How do we just gloss over the boyfriends childish behavior and "losing it on her" yeah what she did wasnt cool but that isnt either.

Kare Deter
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did the child call Jay "daddy"? I don't see that mentioned anywhere, that would be the point where introducing his parents as grandparents would not make OP TA. Regardless, I think ESH is more fitting.

LayDiva in the Zone
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP was delusional. Dude was nice to your kid because he was having sex with OP. She didn't know that if a man is into you, he's going to introduce you to the family. If you only met his parents 3 times in a year means he's not invested in you, because most people want you to know their family if you will be a part of it.

Laura Harris
Community Member
4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It could be that maybe the parents live in another state. It doesn't say it is anyone's guess.

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JayWantsACat
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sucks that it turned out this way but, to me, OP did mess up and the other people did not react inappropriately. I'm just glad OP realized and understands what happened and why it so they can can grow and better protect their son.

adobe blue
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I might be seeing this wrong but something was happening behind the scenes with Jay and his folks. No one has that big of a reaction to this one incident. It was a holiday and a social situation. The norm is to let something like that slide and have Jay address it later, not ruin the whole gathering. Because there was such a strong reaction, I wonder if race was an issue. Or Jay told his parents he was going to break up with you and was planning on telling you later. People are taught to hide their feelings and for this to escalate quickly is suspect.

Papa
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I disagree with everything you said, but I didn't down vote it because you weren't mean about it (though I do find it odd that you jumped to the possibility of race being an issue with absolutely nothing to support it).

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Green Glasses
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the same awkward situation when someone introduces themselves as auntie/uncle x to your child, and they are most definitely NOT auntie/uncle.

Livingwithcfs
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Always introduce adults to children as Mr or Mrs .... and let the adults say what they are happy to be called. Never give honorifics without that person's permission. What she did was purely bad manners. As for people saying it's weird the bf hadn't decided if he was in for the long term, no its not weird or odd. He was doing the sensible thing and getting to know her and the child. Rushing in to marriage is stupid thing to do

SnowWhite
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was stubbornly waiting for a apology after a big fight!! I'm embarrassed for her bc I can imagine being a fly on that wall and listening to how loudly she defended and justified her actions. Haha I'm also curious just how she got it 100% wrong and how everyone else saw it as casual. This little boy, I'm sure, hears her telling him about all these plans for the future :(( She may not feel she is actively searching for a father for her child but it can't be no other way. She's a single mom. It doesn't sound like she'd like casual relationships so after a few dates you have to havensome sort of talk. Nothing deep but the understanding that she is a mom. Obv she didn't have that talk. Even if he didn't want the title of dad bc he would just be a step parent, those lines can't help but get blurred every now and then. Especially in cases like this where the bio dad is absent. Awww hope the little guy bounces back quickly. At the very least he'll miss his friend.

Rhonda Markem
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Single Mom&Son (2-1/2 Toddler) when dating "'Amzg Guy" started. ProActive Mom1-1/2 yrs should be very least before considering more permanent status for her SON. Amazing not character flaw/presuming permanence (because not an a*****e)? "The using her theory"/Mid 20s guy doesn't stay 1-1/2 yr w/no interest. GUNJUMP at Thanksgiving-Blindsided "Amzng Guy". With him re-evauating who she was. 4 yrs-age 1st permanent memories form-crucial time-with future dating. Keep dating separate from parenting-until past casual 1st stage. SONS safety/feelings HAVE TO BE #1. Live and learn from past mistakes! Good Luck To Mom/Son!!

Klara Lorinczi
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think she made a minor mistake and Jay and his parents over reacted BIG time.

Gill Holden
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA the whole Grandparents thing is irrelevant. What future was that d******d planning? He's the one your son was bonding with. You escaped a future with nasty people. Your son won't be scarred. You'll find someone who actually wants to be your family and then you'll realise what a loser he was.

Shadowed Pokefan
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why with my bf I was cautious using the words dad or father until he told me he wanted to be called those things my daughter's sperm donor left us not long after she was born and I got with my bf when she was roughly 8 months old it took around a year for him to want to be called her dad it's a sensitive topic to broach when a small child is involved but conversations about it do need to happen

brittany
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i think OP was just naïve. she thought they were at a different point than jay did and they didnt communicate that. she knows now for next time

JammaCoast2Coast
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Leave the kid(s) out of your relationship until you are both certain the commitment is there. Getting close to a kid and then being ripped out of each other's lives is so freaking difficult and really unnecessary.

Shadow
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP needs to ASK anyone how they wish to be addressed. That was the real issue.

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Michael Wilmer
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once OP realized she made a mistake.... SHE CALLED? WTF? Hiw many days did it take her brain to realize after the uncomfortable meal and the chilly goodbye with Jay's parents and the verbal fight sge was wrong? Props to Jay. Dump her. Personally, I would not want to date anyone with so seemingly low IQ

Lily
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4 months ago

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Oh no no no no no. It's pretty common for a single mother to be like a heat-seeking missile looking for a daddy replacement for their kid. And 25 is still really like a boy, not a father figure. You really jumped the gun, that was just absolutely unthinkingly stupid to do. Being nice doesn't mean "I'll be your kids dad."

Hannah
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ummm I can see 20 still being a boy. But 25 is an adult man who needs to grow up. Plenty of men ARE fathers by 25 so stepping into the role of father FIGURE is hardly unthinkable. She was in the wrong for sure. But he was old enough he should have know what he was getting into and had a talk with her much sooner about not wanting to be part of the kids life.

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John Smith (he/him/xy/️)
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Never expect a guy to be ready to raise another guy's kid. It's not in our nature. Those men that do are pussy-whipped

0HellcatMary0
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Guess my step dad is a better man than most. Do you have any women in your life that give even half a f**k about you? Going to guess no. You're an absolute trog. Your perception of Real Men is so laughable and juvenile. Real macho hetero men only care what other real macho hetero men think about them, huh? Don't worry my guy, you'll never have to worry about being "pussy whipped", you've got that natural pussy repellent locked and loaded at all times.

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DrBronxx
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm fully on board that OP was in the wrong in this specific situation. Introducing effective strangers as "grandma and grandpa," without even discussing it with your partner is, at best, weird. One thing that does bother me though - they'd been together for a year and a half. That's a pretty long time. Conversations about the long-term never came up? Surely I would have thought that would be really important, especially with a small child involved.

Alyssa Phillips
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. Introducing the parents as grandparents was wrong, but after a year and a half the bf isn't sure he wants to be dad?

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Marnie
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP was definitely in the wrong here. On a side note, if you're dating a single parent, you better be looking for a marriage partner. (This is not a comment on OP's situations specifically.) This doesn't mean jumping into it. You get to know each other for a couple of years first. And as soon as they know the parent is not the one for them, they need to get out immediately. But I've heard too many times of people dating someone who has a child, knowing that they have no intention of EVER marrying them or being a parent figure. That's cruel, unless the parent specifically says he/she just wants to mess around. In that case, the children should NEVER be introduced to the parent's sex partner, so as not to get their hearts broken.

Dim T
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I dont see why that would be the case. Maybe they want to keep their dating life separate. You're basically saying that unless you wish to be a coparent you need to get out of there. But not all married ppl with children are looking for coparents, just romantic partners. Indeed the number of ppl who even gets married yet makes it clear that their spouse is not to interfere in how they raise their children is actually quite large. You're way of based. Whats important is thaf expectations are matched, but there is no one set of expectations

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Little Miss Lady
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BF should have been upfront from the beginning about being unsure if he wanted to be in a relationship with someone who already has a child/children. Don't date a single parent if you're unsure about taking on the responsibility of a child. OP was also in the wrong for telling her child to call her bf's parents 'Grandma' and 'Grandpa' for many reasons. The main one being it's confusing for her child. At least OP was able to grow from this experience and realize where she went wrong. I hope her kid is ok.

ValdaDeDieu
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm going to say that there's something seriously wrong with that family and she's better off. You know how long a year and a half is in the life of a child? What was the big deal? So she made a mistake; it was one that was understandable. Couldn't they have laughed it off and she and BF have a discussion? People telling her "YTA" are wrong. Yes, she could have asked in advance -- but when? It's a RED FLAG that it took a full YEAR AND A HALF for the parents to be introduced to her - but okay. SO she's painted with a red letter because she has a child? WTAUF?

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Pamela24
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe I'm being to nice but I really appreciate OP's response. She's not perfect by any means and she was definitely TA in the situation but she sounds like someone who'll learn from this and who's capable of self-reflection.

AKA AKA
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this is why people need to discuss their relationship and roles in it every now and then

Hannah
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly i just feel bad for the little boy. Whether BF thought of himself as father figure or not, this boy is 4. He's literally known bf for as long as he can remember and very likely saw him as his dad. And don't get me wrong, yeah OP was in the wrong, but BF was an a*****e too. If you get with a single parent, especially one with toddler, you need to set expectations as early as possible. If you're with them a year and a half and still haven't decided youre up to be a parent, you're wasting everyone time and risking hurting a child in the process. He should have manned up a lot sooner.

Rebel Peewee
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OK, yes she is YTA but the whole scenario with her sitting alone in the living room for an hour and a half because apparently the other three adults were so discombobulated that they couldn't even be decent during their get-together and just get through it and discuss concerns later is bizarre.

Marnie
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It was a half hour, not 1 1/2 hours, but still I agree with you there.

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Vinnie
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That was a mistake on her part, but she'll be more careful next time. One of my friends ended a relationship after nearly 2 years because he wasn't ready to settle down as someone's papa. Perfectly nice guy, just not dad material yet. Since then, he's married someone else and had a much loved child. His ex-girlfriend married one of his friends (just as lovely but ready to be a father) - the little girl got an extra set of parents (two bio parents and two step-parents).

Rosalie Dann
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well apparently this page has decided to choose my response for me. However my opinion is NTA. You did However, jump the gun/ run ahead of the locomotive. You should have introduced them as Michael's Mum and Dad. That being said, after A YEAR AND A HALF DATING with him being SO GOOD with your son, WHAT THE HECK WAS HE PLAYING AT sticking with you that long WITH A CHILD in the picture still claiming not to be 'serious' ? As the Mum though you need to be more careful next time and don't assume anything. I still think his attitude was extreme and he's TA. Seems to me he was just wanting the best of both worlds - a woman, with mothering tendencies and a kid he can play with and enjoy with no responsibility and no care or concern. I have to wonder , if this had not occurred, just how many years would he have kept you dangling on his hook pretending he "wasn't sure yet how serious it was".

Hannah
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Survey did the same thing with me! BP has gotta get their touch sensors fixed. And yeah boyfriend should've split a long time ago if he'd had no plans on being a father figure. When you date a single parent, you know their kid is a package deal from the beginning. Unless your a complete imbecile.

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FreeTheUnicorn
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dating someone with kids is being open to be a step parent. Maybe you're not there yet, but at some point you expect to be a parent/step parent. If this isn't your intention, be clear and f@ck off.

Amy Jo Sackett-Needham
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After a year and a half dude needs to make up his mind. The boy and the mom can feel attached by now. I think OP just innocently introduced them that way because her and her boyfriend had been together so long. I feel she was strung along while he gets benefits and can't make a decision. After that much time, he needs to think about how the little boy feels thinking this guy might love me and my mom and stick around!

Littlemiss
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah that was my take on it. It sounded like he kept her away from his family deliberately. He'd been in there lives for a year and a half, not 3 months. I wonder if it was set up so he got to break things off like he did, leaving her to look even worse.

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Vain Black
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When someone comes to Thanksgiving dinner and you want them to treat you just like a good friend and not family... I just don't get it. I also have a lot of grandparents I'm not related to in the least so maybe I'm not seeing why Grandma and Grandpa are such sacrosanct titles. I don't care who you are, if you're at my Thanksgiving dinner you are now family.

Barbara S
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't wait a year and a half to learn you and BF are not on same page. These discussions need to happen within first 90 days. As in. Where is this relationship going? What you you want from it? What do I want from it? It takes courage and confidence, so get in the habit early on.

FreeTheUnicorn
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So she jumped thengun, but introducing her son to your parents, it's a clear signal of wanting to get there eventually. Good for OP for owning her mistaken. Boyfriend let things get far too far, and won't recognise his part, he's a bigger AH, but thank goodness OP and son won't have to deal with the in-laws.

Pittsburgh rare
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a single parent, l only date sparingly now because most men l used to meet were terrified of dating a single mother even when l said clearly that l wasn't expecting them to play the role of father. Now that my child's an adult l can't be bothered, tbh. So l understand where OP comes from, but she handled it awfully. No need to be hard on her.

Apatheist Account2
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Discuss it with partner, then confirm it with parents, before instructing child. Simples.

Sean Simpson
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was a little kid my parents had me call their friends “Aunty” or “Uncle,” especially if they were older than my parents. We weren’t a fancy bunch, so Mr. or Mrs. wouldn’t have gone over well, but my parents didn’t like little kids calling adults by their first names either. I always knew they weren’t really my Aunty or Uncle, so there was never any confusion on my part and everyone seemed to think it was a good solution. Maybe something like that would have been good to have her 4-year old to call his parents?

Audrey Darnall
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you, I grew up in the same type of household. If they were old enough to be a grand we called them that. My kids Grandma Owl is not their grandma by relation but that is her title.

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AngelWingsYT
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cringed HARD at this. Only 1 full year dating barely met the parents AND never introduced son prior and you call them grandparents. YIKES! lesson learned in a REALLY rough way

Maisey Myles
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You’re NTA! YAI- You’re An Idiot. Your poor son. I’m embarrassed for you

Dirk Daring
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP was completely delusional to think she deserved an apology. I'm glad she came around to seeing she was wrong, but this is one of those times where you have to realize that you can't unbake a cake.

Laura Harris
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It seemed BF wanted his cake and eat it too. What did he expect by dating her that long knowing she had a child? Why was he stringing her along? The parents should have used some class and enjoyed the visit and talked to their son later. Then BF could have sat down with OP and been honest with her.

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Negatoris Wrecks
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone who would've responded like she wanted them to in that scenario would be a huge red flag. She needs therapy.

Parriah
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If he isn’t sure about their relationship or being a part of a her child’s life in a consistent way after a year and a half then it’s better he bails now, at 4 he can get over it better than if he was 6 or 7 and believed he wasn’t good or wanted and the absence won’t hit him so deeeply. Mom made a mistake by assuming things a little but she’s not an AH, the boyfriend kinda is for not being more honest after so long and leading her on enough that she believed he would marry her and be permanently in their lives, he was unfair to all of them.

Paula Engler
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OK I'm going to throw out a different point of view here. I have been in OPs situation before. Not exactly like it, but similar. When you are a single parent, it is hard to find a partner that you are compatible with and who accepts your children. OP shouldn't have done what she did, that was grossly overstepping boundaries. But Jay is an a*****e in this story too. He basically played house for a year and a half with no intentions of actually taking that final step. That's a long time to be with someone. How do you not know whether you want to be with someone and be a part of their little family after 1.5 years? While I've never crossed lines like OP has, I've been in her shoes of dedicating a large chunk of time to a partner who seems all in, having serious conversations, then they leave. This is just a really sad situation for that little boy more than anything.

Amina Wijntje
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this outcome is ridiculous!!! If Jay truly felt for her he would have hashed it out with her and forgiven her. The fact he broke up with her over something that, in my eyes, is a marginal "offence" tells me the relationship wasn't that strong to begin with. Good riddance to Jay. I mean, they were together for 1.5 years, how is that not "serious"? That is not a casual fling! I call BS.

Calliope Trevelyan
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP definitely NTA Single parent dating someone a year and a half it is 100% fine to assume they're the second parent figure. You don't date people with kids without being ready for that.. And if you are dating people with toddlers and you have no intent of being a parent YTA You get a few months of potential dates without meeting the kid, then you are going to be part of their life. The child will look to you for help... Srsly... The guy is the A

Laura Harris
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think they overreacted. If they had dated less than a year, then maybe, but what did Jay expect? He knew it was a package deal. Why was he stringing her along if he wasn't that serious? At least now she knows and is free to find a real man.

Sara Frazer
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YIKES. The *first* time your child is introduced to these people you call them "Grandma & Grandpa" just, wow. 💀💀🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Im really surprised to that there arwnt more ESH here comments. Because they all definitely do. How do we just gloss over the boyfriends childish behavior and "losing it on her" yeah what she did wasnt cool but that isnt either.

Kare Deter
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did the child call Jay "daddy"? I don't see that mentioned anywhere, that would be the point where introducing his parents as grandparents would not make OP TA. Regardless, I think ESH is more fitting.

LayDiva in the Zone
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP was delusional. Dude was nice to your kid because he was having sex with OP. She didn't know that if a man is into you, he's going to introduce you to the family. If you only met his parents 3 times in a year means he's not invested in you, because most people want you to know their family if you will be a part of it.

Laura Harris
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It could be that maybe the parents live in another state. It doesn't say it is anyone's guess.

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JayWantsACat
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sucks that it turned out this way but, to me, OP did mess up and the other people did not react inappropriately. I'm just glad OP realized and understands what happened and why it so they can can grow and better protect their son.

adobe blue
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I might be seeing this wrong but something was happening behind the scenes with Jay and his folks. No one has that big of a reaction to this one incident. It was a holiday and a social situation. The norm is to let something like that slide and have Jay address it later, not ruin the whole gathering. Because there was such a strong reaction, I wonder if race was an issue. Or Jay told his parents he was going to break up with you and was planning on telling you later. People are taught to hide their feelings and for this to escalate quickly is suspect.

Papa
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I disagree with everything you said, but I didn't down vote it because you weren't mean about it (though I do find it odd that you jumped to the possibility of race being an issue with absolutely nothing to support it).

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Green Glasses
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the same awkward situation when someone introduces themselves as auntie/uncle x to your child, and they are most definitely NOT auntie/uncle.

Livingwithcfs
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Always introduce adults to children as Mr or Mrs .... and let the adults say what they are happy to be called. Never give honorifics without that person's permission. What she did was purely bad manners. As for people saying it's weird the bf hadn't decided if he was in for the long term, no its not weird or odd. He was doing the sensible thing and getting to know her and the child. Rushing in to marriage is stupid thing to do

SnowWhite
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was stubbornly waiting for a apology after a big fight!! I'm embarrassed for her bc I can imagine being a fly on that wall and listening to how loudly she defended and justified her actions. Haha I'm also curious just how she got it 100% wrong and how everyone else saw it as casual. This little boy, I'm sure, hears her telling him about all these plans for the future :(( She may not feel she is actively searching for a father for her child but it can't be no other way. She's a single mom. It doesn't sound like she'd like casual relationships so after a few dates you have to havensome sort of talk. Nothing deep but the understanding that she is a mom. Obv she didn't have that talk. Even if he didn't want the title of dad bc he would just be a step parent, those lines can't help but get blurred every now and then. Especially in cases like this where the bio dad is absent. Awww hope the little guy bounces back quickly. At the very least he'll miss his friend.

Rhonda Markem
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Single Mom&Son (2-1/2 Toddler) when dating "'Amzg Guy" started. ProActive Mom1-1/2 yrs should be very least before considering more permanent status for her SON. Amazing not character flaw/presuming permanence (because not an a*****e)? "The using her theory"/Mid 20s guy doesn't stay 1-1/2 yr w/no interest. GUNJUMP at Thanksgiving-Blindsided "Amzng Guy". With him re-evauating who she was. 4 yrs-age 1st permanent memories form-crucial time-with future dating. Keep dating separate from parenting-until past casual 1st stage. SONS safety/feelings HAVE TO BE #1. Live and learn from past mistakes! Good Luck To Mom/Son!!

Klara Lorinczi
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think she made a minor mistake and Jay and his parents over reacted BIG time.

Gill Holden
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4 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA the whole Grandparents thing is irrelevant. What future was that d******d planning? He's the one your son was bonding with. You escaped a future with nasty people. Your son won't be scarred. You'll find someone who actually wants to be your family and then you'll realise what a loser he was.

Shadowed Pokefan
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why with my bf I was cautious using the words dad or father until he told me he wanted to be called those things my daughter's sperm donor left us not long after she was born and I got with my bf when she was roughly 8 months old it took around a year for him to want to be called her dad it's a sensitive topic to broach when a small child is involved but conversations about it do need to happen

brittany
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i think OP was just naïve. she thought they were at a different point than jay did and they didnt communicate that. she knows now for next time

JammaCoast2Coast
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Leave the kid(s) out of your relationship until you are both certain the commitment is there. Getting close to a kid and then being ripped out of each other's lives is so freaking difficult and really unnecessary.

Shadow
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP needs to ASK anyone how they wish to be addressed. That was the real issue.

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Michael Wilmer
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once OP realized she made a mistake.... SHE CALLED? WTF? Hiw many days did it take her brain to realize after the uncomfortable meal and the chilly goodbye with Jay's parents and the verbal fight sge was wrong? Props to Jay. Dump her. Personally, I would not want to date anyone with so seemingly low IQ

Lily
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Oh no no no no no. It's pretty common for a single mother to be like a heat-seeking missile looking for a daddy replacement for their kid. And 25 is still really like a boy, not a father figure. You really jumped the gun, that was just absolutely unthinkingly stupid to do. Being nice doesn't mean "I'll be your kids dad."

Hannah
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ummm I can see 20 still being a boy. But 25 is an adult man who needs to grow up. Plenty of men ARE fathers by 25 so stepping into the role of father FIGURE is hardly unthinkable. She was in the wrong for sure. But he was old enough he should have know what he was getting into and had a talk with her much sooner about not wanting to be part of the kids life.

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John Smith (he/him/xy/️)
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Never expect a guy to be ready to raise another guy's kid. It's not in our nature. Those men that do are pussy-whipped

0HellcatMary0
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4 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Guess my step dad is a better man than most. Do you have any women in your life that give even half a f**k about you? Going to guess no. You're an absolute trog. Your perception of Real Men is so laughable and juvenile. Real macho hetero men only care what other real macho hetero men think about them, huh? Don't worry my guy, you'll never have to worry about being "pussy whipped", you've got that natural pussy repellent locked and loaded at all times.

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