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People Think This Mom Did A Great Job By Punishing Her ‘Bratty’ Daughter After She Made Her Babysitter Quit

People Think This Mom Did A Great Job By Punishing Her ‘Bratty’ Daughter After She Made Her Babysitter Quit

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We all have our breaking point. And one 6-year-old girl has successfully pushed her sitter to it.

So she quit.

This forced the family to rearrange their lives, and now the bratty girl is unable to do the things she loves until they find another sitter.

Trying to transform this situation into a learning experience, her mom recently told the little one that it was her fault. However, the dad thought it was a mistake and the couple can’t come to an agreement and move on.

Not knowing where to turn for advice, the mom described the situation on Reddit, asking people what they think on the matter.

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    When Vicki Broadbent, a writer, director, broadcaster, and founder of the parenting blog Honest Mum, was reading through this thread without knowing the full details or context, her first reaction was to explore the reason behind the child’s statements/outbursts towards her sitter.

    “It sounds to me like she was unhappy with the situation, the fact she had a sitter in the first place,” the author of Mumboss: The Honest Mum’s Guide to Surviving and Thriving at Work told Bored Panda. “Maybe she wasn’t feeling like her needs were being met (e.g. she might have felt she wasn’t being listened to, had lost all autonomy over even the smallest of decisions, clashed with her personality-wise, or most likely, was feeling a little abandoned by her parents in this scenario).”

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    Broadbent highlighted that most parents require childcare support and they are not abandoning their children by simply hiring help, however, it’s easy for children to feel let down or that they are not important enough for their parents, particularly if the situation and reasons behind needing a sitter are not fully explained and equally, consistently repeated and reiterated (“We need a sitter because we are working during this time so we can pay for your food and dolls, etc.”).

    “Children need you to clearly illustrate the ‘why’ behind scenarios and decisions, especially when they might impact them emotionally. Reminding them how emotionally safe and loved they are, is key too,” the Honest Mum explained.

    “I personally hated having a nanny and later babysitters as a young child as I wanted to be with my parents at all times which is completely normal and natural, and although it was explained to me that they needed to work therefore I needed sitters, it didn’t make life that much easier for me.”

    According to Broadbent, when children feel hurt or not listened to—when they appeal to their parents that they don’t want a sitter—they act out. It’s a cry for help. A way to express what cannot always be said. “Yes, teaching children that they can’t be rude is crucial but so is listening, and I mean really listening to them (to the unspoken as well as the spoken cues) and empathizing with their behavior while explaining better ways to express themselves so as not to hurt others.”

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    Don’t get the wrong impression. You can still say, “This comment is hurtful” but you should also get to the bottom of why the child made it.

    “If they can’t describe why (it’s hard even for adults to self-reflect and psychoanalyze themselves), then it’s your job as a parent to put in the detective work and ensure they feel more supported,” Broadbent said. “Furthermore, in this scenario, an adult must have at some point told the girl that she was the boss of her sitter, either in jest or in all seriousness as age 6 is quite young to understand the complexities of money and the power that might give someone.”

    It is important to explain the connection between actions and consequences to children but Broadbent stressed it has to be done in an open-hearted and age-appropriate way. “Children learn the difference between right and wrong before 2 and experts believe teaching your children how to have a high emotional IQ can start early on as well but it is important to remember that children learn, as adults do, from making mistakes so listening, empathizing, and also modeling behavior is the key in educating your child.”

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    Carol Emory
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The people that say YTA are wrong. This is a time in the child's life when they develop the personality and behaviors that will carry them through life. To brush it off that she is too young to be told such harsh words is laying the ground work for her to do it again. The connection that her actions lead to consequences that she didn't like should be emphasized because this lesson could keep her out of future trouble. You want to make sure she remembers this moment from now on. Being kind and gentle about it allows her to brush it off. It also shows her that, when mom means stop...she needs to stop. Personally...I would have stopped the swimming lessons earlier to make it clear what the consequences would be if she "got the babysitter fired."

    SirPatTheCat
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah I agree the kid was acting way too manipulative to not immediately nip in the bud.

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    Shelp
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Kids aren't stupid, and they understand hierarchy very well. And she thought that she was hierarchically above the sitter, which defeats the whole point of having a sitter in the first place. The mum was right to correct her daughter, because judging by her reaction, she could have evolved pretty fast into the worst kind of entitled, pretentious, and disrespectful person.

    PANDA DAMBA
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    totally agreed. Heads up to the mother for not playing facts down and acting. I hope the child learns.

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    Seabeast
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good for this mother for not allowing her daughter to become an entitled brat. I'm guessing her friend with the nanny has given her some very wrong ideas.

    Mewton’s Third Paw
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anything else would be a lie, and a total fabrication. The sitter quit because of the daughter’s behavior, and no other reason. The daughter behaves that way on her own, because it seems obvious the mom and dad are trying to raise her not to be that kind of person. It is the daughter’s fault and I don’t think she should forget it.

    Carol Emory
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My other theory is, in situations like this, telling the truth is the best policy. It get's to the point and avoids wiggle room for misinterpretation. Coddling the child to prevent hurting their feelings does not help them to develop the skills they need to deal with the restrictions and disappointments life has for them in the future. Teach them to be a good person early on.

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    MagicalUnicorn
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i'm with mom there, 6 is time to develop proper behaviour and learn to function is society

    Kate
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was in high school, I babysat two girls on my street for the longest time and one of them had a friend who also had a nanny that she ran roughshod over. Whenever the friend would come over, they'd both get an attitude and start ordering me around (despite being all of 7 years old) but I had the backing of the parents I sat for to tell their daughter to knock it off and eventually the entitled friend wasn't allowed to come around when I was babysitting anymore.

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    WilvanderHeijden
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The mother handled the situation perfectly. As time passed, the daughter started to understand that her actions have more consequences than she imagined. " Wow, because of me the babysitter left and now I can't go swimming anymore." I'm sure she got the message and will be much more careful in her interactions with other people in the future.

    Rob
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. 1) This is what actually happened. 2) Learning the consequences of your behavior teaches you to become a more decent person. 3) Bonus points for cutting contact with the friend who is allowed to treat the nanny like crap.

    Casey McAlister
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If kids aren't mini-adults, how come this girl is already a mini-Karen?People who say "she's just 6 yo, she doesn't understand anything" conveniently skip the part where the kid claims to be "a boss" and promises to "get the sitter fired". Now, when she actually made her sitter quit, since she's such a big boss, she certainly can hire a new one, right? Kids should learn about the consequences of their actions, the mom is NTA.

    varwenea
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, NTA, NTA. The early a child learns respect, responsibility, and consequences, the better. Could she have said things differently? Sure, there are always different ways to say something. But a fact is still a fact.

    Paul Mitchell
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a vet I see too many parents, usually mothers, with their children out of control and their dog out of control and no discipline at all, no boundaries at all sometimes. It's a nightmare. One vet I worked for years ago ended up screaming at the mother 'Get those f**king kids out of here', it was that bad. Another one had her kids running everywhere and one jabbed itself with a needle. There was harm done, but of course, in her eyes, it was my practice's fault for her not controlling her kids. Kids need boundaries and to be taught how to behave, otherwise they end up with no social skills and no friends.

    Becca Gizmo the Squirrel
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Kids at that age are trying to see what they can get away with. That age they understand cause and effect. The kid knew what she was doing. I've got 4 kids that all went through this stage. If you let them get away with it, the teen years are going to be worse. The mom should have said " you are not the boss of the babysitter, I am. I pay her to take care of you. Your attitude caused me to pay her even more, but because of you, she quit. Which means you don't get to go to swimming lessons. " Every action has an opposite but equal reaction.

    Swyft
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    unless you punch your sibling, then they will hit you many more times and harder

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    lenka
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Im a mum of two and I am firmly in the NTA camp. At 6 years kids are perfectly capable of understanding what kindness looks like. They are also perfectly capable of understanding that actions have consequences. Sometimes we have to let them experience how those consequences affect them personally. The child was given plenty of oppertunity to treat her sitter with respect with no effect and the reality of the situation presented a very valuable teaching moment. Good on you mum.

    Stille20
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She didn't say it to be hurtful. It was in fact true. Her actions negatively impacted her. This is how you learn. The bigger question is how to address this behavior. If it is not addressed, she will be the person who will be rude to servers. Where did this attitude come from.

    rabbitsrabbit
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA if she is old enough to be act entitled and snotty, she is certainly old enough to learn consequences. Besides, mum has lectured her twice before and it didnt work.

    anarkzie
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA as far as I can tell this is good parenting. The easy path would be to deny that your daughter is displaying toxic behaviors and blame the world around you, the mother is saving some future customer assistant a bad day.

    RoseTheMad
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids learn best at young ages, so "but she's only 6" is complete BS. My kid is 5 and autistic, and understand how to respect someone perfectly well. That kid is a brat, simple as that, and deserves to be punished and hopefully learn to overcome bratty behavior before it's too late.

    Luna Lovegood
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "YTA She's 6. Kids aren't mini adults, their brains barely work yet." My ASS biatch. She really needs to learn her lesson

    Sunflowercray
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And she's NTA by the way. The daughter was old enough to consider herself the boss of the babysitter. Then she's old enough to understand the consequences of her behavior. This was a very good example of a teachable moment. This is called nipping in the bud. She's probably stopped that bratty, entitled behavior from becoming worse in the future.

    Gabi
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "their brains barely work yet" , "just started retaining memories like two years ago" Have these folks ever seen a child? :D

    Swyft
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    just because they don't remember how they learned it doesn't mean they don't remember the lesson, just trying to add to your point

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    Shelli Aderman
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA at all. This is exactly the time to teach about consequences.

    Mary Doe
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The people calling YTA keep emphasizing that your daughter is too young to understand the adult concepts of employer/employee roles, but from what she said, the kid certainly thinks she does. Calling your kid out for her behavior and making sure she understands that she is directly the cause of her being unable to do her fun activities now is preparing her for similar situations she will encounter growing up. Making excuses for her behavior is not helping her and pretty much encouraging her to continue to act out at future sitters. You are absolutely correct.

    Abby Machin
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We pay her, so I'm her boss." like whoa whoa whoa, pump your brakes, lil mama, your parent's pay her, you don't pay anything, yikes! I think the consequences (not being able to go to swimming because there is no sitter) is perfectly reasonable and flows from her actions naturally, but I do want to say that, in my experience, if you come at a kid all angry and making sure they know you are punishing them, they won't learn as quickly. They are just going to seethe about how mean you are to them or whatever. If instead you saddle up to them and sincerely empathize (NOT sarcastically, they'll pick up on that) and say, "dang it, I know this sucks but since you did that, there's no one to take you to swimming until we find a new sitter. That's really a bummer." you know who they will be disappointed with? Themselves, which allows them to really reflect on their own actions. Don't take away that learning opportunity by making yourself the bad guy by getting angry and saying hurtful things.

    von Funnyname
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, at all. Kids play at emotions, and they test them out. The thing with testing, with experimenting, is that there *has* to be a result from said test. If they aren't taught that certain behaviors have consequences, they will learn to be entitled in this case. The 6yo is TA, and the parent, most certainly is NTA.

    DC
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't get why parents allow their children to act entitled towards other people at all - not only nannies, sitters etc deserve some basic human respect. Not that a child won't make mistakes, or may be powertripping once in a while, but actually telling them it's ok will deprive them of the chance to learn and develop a decent set of manners towards other people - the friend allowed to boss around will become a very, very sspoiled brat pretty soon. No one's gonna like being treated that way ... no one's gonna like her. Rightfully so. And the parents ... well, I can only imagine what a pair of spoiled brats they have to be. Disgusting behaviour ... is encouraged by disgusting people!

    Sunflowercray
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think she had already spoken with and disciplined her daughter before speaking to the husband or posting on Reddit. So she's just basically asking if she did the right thing. The husband's opinion was stated after everything happened. But correct me if I'm wrong.

    OCDRobot
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How is anyone calling her YTA in this situation? I don't want to know what those people's kids are like if they think it's fine that a child acts like this.

    KT
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I bet you anything that other girl she had playdates with treated her Nanny utterly horrible and that's where she got the idea of being mean from. I love that she lost her swim time because its a good cause and effect for her to understand.

    Azure Adams
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You held her accountable for actions. Good on you. Ignore the ones who say you were wrong.

    Znaya
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I will keep my comment short and simple, that child was in the wrong and she was pushing her boundaries with the babysitter to see how much she could get away with. At six her friends are much more important to her than her parents are because they are her peers. Mother handled it correctly with immediate consequences and she told her the truth instead of saying or threatening the next time. Be upfront and allow your child to grow and deal with the consequences of their actions.

    Potato
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't know anything about child psychology, but I do know that Mumboss is right--if you tell the kid why you are gone, they will likely understand. My parents both worked and I was taken care of by my grandmother, and I knew why my parents were gone and that they were making money because they loved me and wanted to make sure I had clothes and toys (that's not all of it, of course, but for my age it was enough).

    ingrid
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. for people saying that she's just a kid, she's learning how to act and behave at this time in her life. if she isn't given consequences, she could go in acting like this and eventually she would move in from AITA to entitled parents. no wonder nobody else wants to babysit her. she probably has done other things you didn't hear about. don't get me wrong, she may be six years old, but that's no excuse to not respect her babysitter. i'm thirteen right now, but even if i was six and i treated my babysitter like that, i would probably get all devices taken away for like a month, especially after i had been given that many chances. anyway, sorry for the long comment lol.

    ingrid
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    also if any of the kids i babysat acted like that, i would quit too.

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    Darcy Nestler
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA...If the daughter is old enough to realize that the sitter is technically an employee, she's old enough to suffer the consequences of how she treated the sitter.

    Candy Rae
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good on the mother for trying to correct that terrible attitude. No offense but that child seems extremely obstinate and bratty. I would not want a kid like that! Guess i got lucky my son was a natural sweetheart God bless parents trying to correct difficult kid. A lot of people would be tempted to slap or smack that bratty mouth so kudos for not doing that. Her behavior was terrible and you handled it better than many parents would. Being nasty enough to make a sitter quit needs to be quashed asap.

    Kathryn Baylis
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They’re right to dole out consequences for the child’s actions. Good to be doing it now, while she’s young. Waiting until she’s older may be too late, and they’d be well on the road to raising a nightmare person. However, if it came to that, they could just let her go on out totally on her own for a while—-zero help from them, so she would have to work and support herself. Out into the world, which isn’t her mama or daddy, doesn’t love her, and is not even going to think of putting up with her s**t. AT ALL. That would be the hard lesson to learn. Hard for the brat, and just as hard for her parents to stop themselves from jumping in if she falls on hard times because of her entitled attitude. Hope it won’t be necessary, but if it gets to that point and is done right, it will be very effective, and never forgotten.

    MAL
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Children are learning how to behave at that age and have to see that their attitudes and actions have consequences. I don't blame the sitter for quitting. And the mother did the right thing.

    Dodo
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm normally on the child's side of AITA but holy hell, not this time. The kid is obviously not learning this behaviour from the mother (maybe the father though, there isn't enough evidence), and the mother tried multiple times to explain to the child. That's healthy communication, the child seemed to understand but then went back to her old ways. I don't know what else the mother could have done in this situation. The punishment isn't excessive or too light. The child has seen there are consequences and will hopefully grow out of that attitude.

    Kristal
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why are people saying kids that are 6 years old barely comprehend things? Like, that's when many can do basic math, reading, spelling, writing, and money. I men, lemonade stands anybody? Heck, I drew pictures and went door to door to sell them when I was 5 or 6. Maybe it was because I was poor but 6 year olds definitely underand A LOT more then they are given credit by these people. I think the mother acted appropriately by making it known that the child caused her own demise. The catch is, the child may realize she is right and CAN make babysitters go away and run with that. Hopefully the child doesn't get drunk with power and gets the lesson the mother was trying to give.

    Cookie
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What? If I spoke like that, I would get a proper spanking.

    Tony Zecco
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. The little s**t had it coming. She knew what she was doing with the babysitter. She deserves to know that it was her fault that the babysitter quit. She needs to deal with the consequences of it.

    Bryn
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She might be 6. But she's old enough to understand that how she acted was wrong. You can't just let kids get away with anything by saying "oh they're 6, they don't understand." they do. they do understand. You're the one who doesn't understand.

    ChickyChicky
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was a nanny, the 7 yo tried to tell me he didn't have to clear the table because his parents paid me. I said "you know what they pay me to do? To make sure you're doing what you're supposed to, and that includes clearing the table." He never brought that trick up again 😂

    Csilla Kaszas
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    what should she have said, YTA people? 'oh, you cannot go swimming because... swimming is cancelled for an unrelated reason, but definitely not because you made the person, whose job was to take you there, quit.' ?

    CatWoman312
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. The ones saying she is likely have bratty kids as well and apparently see it as acceptable. Tbh I bet the ones say yta are Karen’s irl. This behavior is not acceptable and deserves punishment. From what I learned in child development and psychology is negative/positive reinforcement are the best ways to punish children and she did it right.

    Mine Truly
    Community Member
    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with the punishment, but the parent also needs to be keeping an eye out for a behavioral disorder or emotional issues. We saw one verdict from a person who was punished for being "bad" while a diagnosable disorder was overlooked until they were an adult.

    Enby Gilbert
    Community Member
    2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't understand why people are suggesting that this mother did not deal with this calmly. Assuming she's relaying her story accurately, it sounds like she did really well. After working with children of this age for many years, it is very clear that assuming they can't understand things is the root of some very serious behavioral problems. What they do understand is I can behave this way or I can't behave that way. It sounds like this mother did a good job that can be built on over time.

    Tamara Kroonen
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. A child should learn actions and behavior have consequences. She learns she is in control of the outcomes in life so she will make the proper choices and display the proper behaviors to have success.

    Jess Hoffman
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You did good momma! If you don't teach your daughter now, think about what kind of person she will turn into. I would stand by making her stay in after school for the entire year. The. Maybe when you get a new babysitting she'll treat them with more respect.

    Lori T Wisconsin
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Go mom! Brats learn to LIE between the ages of 2 and 4. After that comes attempts at manipulation.

    Noez 🇸🇪
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. That kid knew she misbehaved, she was punished more than once for her nasty behaviour and still misbehaved and went wayyyy out of line the last time. Screaming to someones face "I am the boss of you" when the kid has been told that she is not anyones boss, is particularly nasty behaviour and there's no excuses for doing so. The kid is a borderline sociopath.

    Random Anon
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Definitely NTA. Kids need to learn responsibility and accountability, and that actions have consequences. Too much of these are lacking these days.

    Laura Pantazis
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like an additional punishment could be having to help with the other kids (under adult supervision) because the little girl's actions resulted in the other kids not having a sitter too.

    Sentinel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Think she is doing a great job as a parent. Growing up in a strict asian household, i wouldnt even dare to disrespect any adult like that without getting severe physical punishment, no joke. fyi im strictly against physical punishment on kids; i just think younger parents nowadays are too ‘woke’ that they are too hesitant to draw on lines when disciplining. Im seeing it everywhere.

    John C
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good on the babysitter for quitting and sparking the real consequences. I get the feeling mom, lacking options, would have only given out more consequences, several rounds of which had already not worked.

    Zet
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA she is old enough to understand consequences, she needs to be put in her place if she acts like a brat. if you do not have your 6 years old children under control imagine dealing with them as soon as they hit puberty. as adults they will feel super entitled because they always got their way in life.. that's how Karens get created

    Bex
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can't not teach a child because they *might* have a psychological concern. As a parent, you're likely having to do both at the same time. That's messy, and sometimes you might look like the asshole. They sound like they're conscientious parents I think it's safe to assume there were several conversations about before the consequences were implemented. Not to mention that the nanny likely didn't tell the parents *every* time their kid was obnoxious. Nannies put up with a lot of crap. You have to work pretty hard to get one to call you to come home immediately, and quit on the spot. That deserves some consequences. And hopefully some more in-depth conversations between the parents to rule out behavioral issues.

    Scratch
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    6 is old enough to know right from wrong - her mother was telling her she was wrong yet she continued to belittle the sitter. The kid is the a-hole, not the mom. People who think otherwise are likely a-holes too.

    zeldapajamas
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, that kid's just an ass. Actions have consequences.

    Paul Budhram
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what we don't want. If the sitter had said something before, (if there was something) it could have gotten fixed A LOT easier. THis kid definitely needs something... and the Nanny might have been a HUGE influence. Reading the behavioral person, it could be that, or it could be just bad influence. Honestly, you might have to do "grades" to get her to listen... and when it drops below a [enter letter here] you take away certain privileges ( Such as Video games, TV, Screen time, games, swimming, etc.)

    Flash Henry
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked as a nanny all through college and for a couple years after. If any kid ever behaved that way, I would have quit on the spot.

    Leo Domitrix
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd like to ask about the dad. Was he not involved until the sitter quit? And at 6, she is old enough for school. She is old enough to learn rules and limits. Courtesy. Obedience to authority. So... I'm reading the mom talked to her, not the dad did. Dad just said, "You were too harsh, she's only 6". Maybe if the dad didn't say "she's only 6", the kid wouldn't get away with so much? I'm hypothesizing wildly ,freely admitted. Not b/c I am a gung-ho child disciplinarian, but b/c this seems to be about a mom ... and the kid. And no dad talking to the kid. Teamwork parenting might make an impression? And here comes the hate, but... There it is. My question.

    Antonov Latanya
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It seems most things submitted to AITA are pieces of creative writing. I question if there are any genuine situations that have been posted lately.

    Aroace tiger
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    3 years ago

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    Hannah Thompson
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pointing out that actions have long term consequences is a good thing. 6 years old is not too young to learn that.

    Valerie Smart
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People saying yta is reason why we have outta control kids now. They don’t make their kids own up to their behavior and the rest of us are over it . And the parents.

    Mira Heiman
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to have a friend that treated her parents really badly and when I realized I'm becoming her,I left her! I didn't wanna become the brat she was being.

    Jennifer Werezak
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What's totally missing is empathy. Mom isn't showing she understands ger daughters frustration. Monkey see, monkey Do: the daughter therefore rejects empathizing with both mom and sitter. You need to sit down BESIDE one another, not across from one another in a stare down. Mom must share how the daughter's actions made mom and sitter FEEL. Itellectualizing it was overkill. Kid won't get it. Eg. When I was a kid, I HATED and never understood why I was told not to do things that were "rude." It would have made way more sense to simply say, "it makes them feel bad." That, to a child, is a real cconsequence. All logicical statements you used can be negated/misconstrue, BTW, depending on how vivid the child's imagination is. There are always exceptions to the rule. Whereas feelings are more definite. How another person feels cannot be denied. Start there. Children have a fantastic bullsh*t detector built-in; adults oft don't realize the dogma their logic is based upon. kids can't relate

    Norma Reid-Hunt
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You did well, a child of that age can understand there are consequences to actions ie fire is hot and it will hurt if you put your hand in it, or stealing is wrong. She learnt this behavior from another child and can learn to live with the fruit of her action, no swimming, or other after school activities. give ex babysitter a nice cash gift card to show she was appreciated by the adults.

    Tony Zecco
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The little s**t had it coming. NTA. She knew what she was doing with the babysitter. It was her fault she quit.

    wiesenleger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not super experienced with 6 year old (those I taught were super nice), but I tend to take the time to explain complicated things often in an honest and and empathic way. The child might understand the concept of hierachy (possibly with the inclanations of capitalism), but there is a much more important social conduct to behave and money sometimes just gets you so far. I don't know if that works in that case but I used to teach very troubled kids who had a lot of toxic behaviour picked up. I always had a time out explaining how this wouldn't fly in longterm. one of my most memoriable moments was the boy who always got provoked by his peers and he always went violent. I explained him that the way it works is that he will be always be the bad guy if gets violent and also we have to spend time on solving the situation instead of doing our project (which he actually liked). One day I noticed him getting picked on again by one other boy and he was getting mad, started thnking and chilld

    wiesenleger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mild punishment seemed for the first instance be okay. But it obviously didnt work longterm.

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    Vicky Z
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't understand why we have to set debates for these things on the internet....sounds like people want to hear "well done you are a perfect parent".

    Christina Neitz
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saying to a six year old that your actions have effects on others is good. Avoid saying she's bad and that's why the sitter quit but reframe as her hurtful words and actions led to the sitter not wanting to be around them. AND it may be time to review the camera records to see how cruel the child's actions were and look into professional therapy for her and you parents to help her change her behavior or at least give her better tools to cope with feelings that led to the unacceptable behavior. It's not admitting your child is broken, it's saying this is beyond the skills and tools currently available to your family.

    Heather G
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed that it's prob the right punishment. Actions have consequences. I'm not so sure about posting your child's misbehavior on the internet for the likes.

    cybermerlin2000
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Personally I think she is not the A-hole but she would have been able to keep the babysitter if she confronted her daughter by saying the babysitter is the girls boss as she is placed in charge, not the daughter. That the babysitter could fire her by not picking her up after school and have her wait after school activities and not go swimming while the babysitter looks after the other 2 kids

    Dave
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would say, the kid was not just bratty. I wager, if a professional checked the kid out, it would be revealed that she is a classic Narcissist.

    oi flaca
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA but instead of punishments, that mum should try positive discipline. Also the mum should make clear that SHE is the boss as SHE earnes the money, not the kid. She's too young to be a brat with her parent's money.

    Jus
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was very young when I called someone a loafer. My father was furious and he clearly told me how wrong I was. I never said such thing again. I'm sure parents have to react and suffocate unfair, hurtful opinions immediately.

    Leslie Burleson
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hearing them use the term de-escalation makes me think this is a child with behavioral issues. If that's the case then there are ways of bringing her down to calmness to avoid the outbursts in the first place . I want to know what was going on when the child screamed at her. I have three kids with autism and when they are too young to understand, they think they are the equal of adults . As they age they can also go through a phase where they are harsher on a younger child because they also feel like they are equals . Most kids will not just behave badly , for an extended period of time , unless there is a reason. It's understandable for a young child to have a rare meltdown at that age , but when it's consistent , something is not right in their world and acting out is their only way of asking for help

    Jennifer Werezak
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What's totally missing is empathy. Mom isn't showing she understands ger daughters frustration. Monkey see, monkey Do: the daughter therefore rejects empathizing with both mom and sitter. You need to sit down BESIDE one another, not across from one another in a stare down. Mom must share how the daughter's actions made mom and sitter FEEL. Itellectualizing it was overkill. Kid won't get it. Eg. When I was a kid, I HATED and never understood why I was told not to do things that were "rude." It would have made way more sense to simply say, "it makes them feel bad." That, to a child, is a real cconsequence. All logicical statements you used can be negated/misconstrue, BTW, depending on how vivid the child's imagination is. There are always exceptions to the rule. Whereas feelings are more definite. How another person feels cannot be denied. Start there. Children have a fantastic bullsh*t detector built-in; adults oft don't realize the dogma their logic is based upon, and kids can't relate

    Kat Kirkpatrick
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "No (child), you are not the boss of the sitter. MOM or DAD is the boss of the sitter, and the sitter is the boss of YOU. You are the boss of NOBODY until you are 18." Mom is not the AH, and every time the child complains that she can't do something fun that she used to do, mom should remind her that mom and dad both have to work so they can have food, clothes, toys and a place to live, and work doesn't end at the same time school does. So as much as Mommy and Daddy want to be with her all the time, they have to have a sitter to help out, and the sitter is in charge (the BOSS) whenever Mommy and Daddy are not around. Repeat as necessary until the kid finally understands.

    CJK
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good grief! Lots of calling a SIX YEAR OLD CHILD a brat and downvoting on this forum. I'm with the ones here who are saying it's not a simple NTA/YTA situation. The headline says that people think the mom did a great job by punishing the daughter. Yes, many on this forum apparently do. But the mom asked AITA and sounds like she's trying to deal calmly with a very trying child. I've been there. It's not a simple matter of escalating punishments until the kid finally knuckles under, realizes the error of her ways, and then magically respects everyone. Good luck to the mom.

    Aria Whitaker
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At what age are you allowed to call a child acting like a brat...a brat?? You seem to think 6 is not old enough...do they have to be a 8 year old brat? 11? 16? At what age can you call a spade a spade and address what is happening...that a kid is acting entitled, disrespectful and superior...you know...A BRAT?

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    Spring Fisk
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It might help if the daughter was made to understand her sitters point of view. Perhaps have her serve others less fortunate to help her develop empathy.

    Clinton Mudder
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did the parents ever try a rewarding based method of teaching? I don't have children and I have difficulty explaining my thoughts, but I'll try: Humanity is habitual, maybe helping the daughter build a habit of earning rewards for good behavior in things like chores, grades, manners, etc., may make it easier for her to want to obey the sitter. By creating a habit of trying to follow directives, use good manners, study hard, etc., to earn a certain amount of time on the phone, computer, playing with a friend, etc., before obtaining a new sitter, the habit may help her choose to obey and be on her best behavior for the sitter to earn rewards. I would keep track of rewards earned and have the rewards be given a week out, that way you can also deduct time that's been earned during that week, even going negative, which she'll then have to earn enough good behavior points to get herself out of the hole and start earthing the reward. I have more ideas about this system, but not enough space.

    E. Rangel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pleasr people spankig works not beating them, ive called the police to be safe and vrry young told them if u ever call cps on me and they take u to a f

    WillemPenn
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, all the NTA comments on here, ignoring the advice of the child expert in the article, the fact that the story is only presented from the mother's view (no dad or daughter side of the story), the fact that most everyone has outright dismissed the concerns that there is more than meets the eye to this story, and the fact that everyone is ok treating a 5 yo child like a rational adult explains why this world is such a dysfunctional place, how someone like Trump got elected and how there are so many nutters who believe in QAnon. All y'all NTA folks are going to make horrible parents, if you aren't currently in the process of royally effing up your kids. Your kids will end up suiciding, or being total eff-ups, or hating you and you will still think it is your kids' fault. But it is yours. All y'all NTAs, YTAs.

    Sarah Trusty
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A 6 year old behaved like this??! Wow! Parenting classes may be in order.

    Steven Rose
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Children learn from what they observe at home. Punishment is commonly used in the USA however what does the child learn from it? Nothing good. Parental empathy for the child is recommended even if the parent is angry. It could be helpful if the child is truly understood by the parent and feels that emotional understanding. Tough situation!

    Heather Philpot
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The nanny is the issue. As a former nanny, and a mental health counselor, I can say the child’s behavior is normal for her age and is usually used when she feels out of control of things in her life. It’s a pretty common thing to hear from littles who are finding their own voice. The nanny could have easily ignored the comment, or at best use it as a teaching moment. Mom should use it as a teaching moment, then let it go. If that’s the only thing that was the issue with the job, the nanny is working in the wrong profession to begin with.

    Swyft
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    this might not be someone doing it as a profession, this could just be some 16 year old trying to earn enough money to buy a car, and this happened 3 times, the child was told not to do this several times

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    SirWriteALot
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    Something is wrong with this family. Mom may seem like she's all holy like but to have a kid try to boss an adult around, on numerous occasions despite apparently being told not to behave that way, is pointing to a larger problem at hand.

    E. Rangel
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    Foster home because u think u deserve better than whay i can provide then that is where u are staying. Once kids get a foot on ur throat ur done for.

    ERIN W.
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    THIS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY I DIDN'T HAVE CHILDREN!

    Haouré Naur
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    Maybe the issue in this situation is not the behavior of the little girl (we agree she's been terrible and her mother let her understand) I mean she looks smart enough to apologize and agree with her mother's explanations, but she went on her bad behavior no matter the deprivations. It's like she wanted to end the situation with the sitter anyway, to really "fire" her. I think it's possible that this little girl unconsciously wanted to show her mother she didn't want this woman to take care of her. Because the one she wanted to take care of her is her own mother. In my opinion, it appears like a try of a little girl to make her mother "back".

    Sagtiya Sieelan
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    I would have spanked her ass off for behaving like this for sure. No lecturing. This behaviour deserves a good -old spanking to straighten things up😠

    Paul Mitchell
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't agree with spanking, but if ever there was a case for it, this is one!

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    Hans
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    This is no simple YTA/NTA question. A six-year old typically has much reason, and a six-year old will need guidance if behaving inacceptably. A six-year old will, however, not be able to foresee all consequences of actions, partcularly not long-term ones, and a six-year old will still much reflect the parents' behaviour. The bossy behaviour, insiting that the sixyear old could get "someone fired" does sound either like copying a parent (maybe an overheard Zoom call?) or TV. In either case, the parents also need to reflect on their own behaviour (how they treat others or how much TV for a six-year old). A total no-go is guilt-tripping a child. If you assume the girl understands the consequences of her actions, explain it to her – without degrading her as a person. If you take consequent action yet do not shame the little girl she will undoubtedly treat the next baby sitter with respect. If you, however, teach her that she herself is not respected, how should she respect others?

    Aroace tiger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't under estimate 6 year olds they are smarter then that. I should know i lived with one a week ago (now they are 7)

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    Carol Emory
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The people that say YTA are wrong. This is a time in the child's life when they develop the personality and behaviors that will carry them through life. To brush it off that she is too young to be told such harsh words is laying the ground work for her to do it again. The connection that her actions lead to consequences that she didn't like should be emphasized because this lesson could keep her out of future trouble. You want to make sure she remembers this moment from now on. Being kind and gentle about it allows her to brush it off. It also shows her that, when mom means stop...she needs to stop. Personally...I would have stopped the swimming lessons earlier to make it clear what the consequences would be if she "got the babysitter fired."

    SirPatTheCat
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah I agree the kid was acting way too manipulative to not immediately nip in the bud.

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    Shelp
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Kids aren't stupid, and they understand hierarchy very well. And she thought that she was hierarchically above the sitter, which defeats the whole point of having a sitter in the first place. The mum was right to correct her daughter, because judging by her reaction, she could have evolved pretty fast into the worst kind of entitled, pretentious, and disrespectful person.

    PANDA DAMBA
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    totally agreed. Heads up to the mother for not playing facts down and acting. I hope the child learns.

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    Seabeast
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good for this mother for not allowing her daughter to become an entitled brat. I'm guessing her friend with the nanny has given her some very wrong ideas.

    Mewton’s Third Paw
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anything else would be a lie, and a total fabrication. The sitter quit because of the daughter’s behavior, and no other reason. The daughter behaves that way on her own, because it seems obvious the mom and dad are trying to raise her not to be that kind of person. It is the daughter’s fault and I don’t think she should forget it.

    Carol Emory
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My other theory is, in situations like this, telling the truth is the best policy. It get's to the point and avoids wiggle room for misinterpretation. Coddling the child to prevent hurting their feelings does not help them to develop the skills they need to deal with the restrictions and disappointments life has for them in the future. Teach them to be a good person early on.

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    MagicalUnicorn
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i'm with mom there, 6 is time to develop proper behaviour and learn to function is society

    Kate
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was in high school, I babysat two girls on my street for the longest time and one of them had a friend who also had a nanny that she ran roughshod over. Whenever the friend would come over, they'd both get an attitude and start ordering me around (despite being all of 7 years old) but I had the backing of the parents I sat for to tell their daughter to knock it off and eventually the entitled friend wasn't allowed to come around when I was babysitting anymore.

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    WilvanderHeijden
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The mother handled the situation perfectly. As time passed, the daughter started to understand that her actions have more consequences than she imagined. " Wow, because of me the babysitter left and now I can't go swimming anymore." I'm sure she got the message and will be much more careful in her interactions with other people in the future.

    Rob
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. 1) This is what actually happened. 2) Learning the consequences of your behavior teaches you to become a more decent person. 3) Bonus points for cutting contact with the friend who is allowed to treat the nanny like crap.

    Casey McAlister
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If kids aren't mini-adults, how come this girl is already a mini-Karen?People who say "she's just 6 yo, she doesn't understand anything" conveniently skip the part where the kid claims to be "a boss" and promises to "get the sitter fired". Now, when she actually made her sitter quit, since she's such a big boss, she certainly can hire a new one, right? Kids should learn about the consequences of their actions, the mom is NTA.

    varwenea
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, NTA, NTA. The early a child learns respect, responsibility, and consequences, the better. Could she have said things differently? Sure, there are always different ways to say something. But a fact is still a fact.

    Paul Mitchell
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a vet I see too many parents, usually mothers, with their children out of control and their dog out of control and no discipline at all, no boundaries at all sometimes. It's a nightmare. One vet I worked for years ago ended up screaming at the mother 'Get those f**king kids out of here', it was that bad. Another one had her kids running everywhere and one jabbed itself with a needle. There was harm done, but of course, in her eyes, it was my practice's fault for her not controlling her kids. Kids need boundaries and to be taught how to behave, otherwise they end up with no social skills and no friends.

    Becca Gizmo the Squirrel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Kids at that age are trying to see what they can get away with. That age they understand cause and effect. The kid knew what she was doing. I've got 4 kids that all went through this stage. If you let them get away with it, the teen years are going to be worse. The mom should have said " you are not the boss of the babysitter, I am. I pay her to take care of you. Your attitude caused me to pay her even more, but because of you, she quit. Which means you don't get to go to swimming lessons. " Every action has an opposite but equal reaction.

    Swyft
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    unless you punch your sibling, then they will hit you many more times and harder

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    lenka
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Im a mum of two and I am firmly in the NTA camp. At 6 years kids are perfectly capable of understanding what kindness looks like. They are also perfectly capable of understanding that actions have consequences. Sometimes we have to let them experience how those consequences affect them personally. The child was given plenty of oppertunity to treat her sitter with respect with no effect and the reality of the situation presented a very valuable teaching moment. Good on you mum.

    Stille20
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She didn't say it to be hurtful. It was in fact true. Her actions negatively impacted her. This is how you learn. The bigger question is how to address this behavior. If it is not addressed, she will be the person who will be rude to servers. Where did this attitude come from.

    rabbitsrabbit
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA if she is old enough to be act entitled and snotty, she is certainly old enough to learn consequences. Besides, mum has lectured her twice before and it didnt work.

    anarkzie
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA as far as I can tell this is good parenting. The easy path would be to deny that your daughter is displaying toxic behaviors and blame the world around you, the mother is saving some future customer assistant a bad day.

    RoseTheMad
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids learn best at young ages, so "but she's only 6" is complete BS. My kid is 5 and autistic, and understand how to respect someone perfectly well. That kid is a brat, simple as that, and deserves to be punished and hopefully learn to overcome bratty behavior before it's too late.

    Luna Lovegood
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "YTA She's 6. Kids aren't mini adults, their brains barely work yet." My ASS biatch. She really needs to learn her lesson

    Sunflowercray
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And she's NTA by the way. The daughter was old enough to consider herself the boss of the babysitter. Then she's old enough to understand the consequences of her behavior. This was a very good example of a teachable moment. This is called nipping in the bud. She's probably stopped that bratty, entitled behavior from becoming worse in the future.

    Gabi
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "their brains barely work yet" , "just started retaining memories like two years ago" Have these folks ever seen a child? :D

    Swyft
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    just because they don't remember how they learned it doesn't mean they don't remember the lesson, just trying to add to your point

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    Shelli Aderman
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA at all. This is exactly the time to teach about consequences.

    Mary Doe
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The people calling YTA keep emphasizing that your daughter is too young to understand the adult concepts of employer/employee roles, but from what she said, the kid certainly thinks she does. Calling your kid out for her behavior and making sure she understands that she is directly the cause of her being unable to do her fun activities now is preparing her for similar situations she will encounter growing up. Making excuses for her behavior is not helping her and pretty much encouraging her to continue to act out at future sitters. You are absolutely correct.

    Abby Machin
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We pay her, so I'm her boss." like whoa whoa whoa, pump your brakes, lil mama, your parent's pay her, you don't pay anything, yikes! I think the consequences (not being able to go to swimming because there is no sitter) is perfectly reasonable and flows from her actions naturally, but I do want to say that, in my experience, if you come at a kid all angry and making sure they know you are punishing them, they won't learn as quickly. They are just going to seethe about how mean you are to them or whatever. If instead you saddle up to them and sincerely empathize (NOT sarcastically, they'll pick up on that) and say, "dang it, I know this sucks but since you did that, there's no one to take you to swimming until we find a new sitter. That's really a bummer." you know who they will be disappointed with? Themselves, which allows them to really reflect on their own actions. Don't take away that learning opportunity by making yourself the bad guy by getting angry and saying hurtful things.

    von Funnyname
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, at all. Kids play at emotions, and they test them out. The thing with testing, with experimenting, is that there *has* to be a result from said test. If they aren't taught that certain behaviors have consequences, they will learn to be entitled in this case. The 6yo is TA, and the parent, most certainly is NTA.

    DC
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't get why parents allow their children to act entitled towards other people at all - not only nannies, sitters etc deserve some basic human respect. Not that a child won't make mistakes, or may be powertripping once in a while, but actually telling them it's ok will deprive them of the chance to learn and develop a decent set of manners towards other people - the friend allowed to boss around will become a very, very sspoiled brat pretty soon. No one's gonna like being treated that way ... no one's gonna like her. Rightfully so. And the parents ... well, I can only imagine what a pair of spoiled brats they have to be. Disgusting behaviour ... is encouraged by disgusting people!

    Sunflowercray
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think she had already spoken with and disciplined her daughter before speaking to the husband or posting on Reddit. So she's just basically asking if she did the right thing. The husband's opinion was stated after everything happened. But correct me if I'm wrong.

    OCDRobot
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How is anyone calling her YTA in this situation? I don't want to know what those people's kids are like if they think it's fine that a child acts like this.

    KT
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I bet you anything that other girl she had playdates with treated her Nanny utterly horrible and that's where she got the idea of being mean from. I love that she lost her swim time because its a good cause and effect for her to understand.

    Azure Adams
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You held her accountable for actions. Good on you. Ignore the ones who say you were wrong.

    Znaya
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I will keep my comment short and simple, that child was in the wrong and she was pushing her boundaries with the babysitter to see how much she could get away with. At six her friends are much more important to her than her parents are because they are her peers. Mother handled it correctly with immediate consequences and she told her the truth instead of saying or threatening the next time. Be upfront and allow your child to grow and deal with the consequences of their actions.

    Potato
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't know anything about child psychology, but I do know that Mumboss is right--if you tell the kid why you are gone, they will likely understand. My parents both worked and I was taken care of by my grandmother, and I knew why my parents were gone and that they were making money because they loved me and wanted to make sure I had clothes and toys (that's not all of it, of course, but for my age it was enough).

    ingrid
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. for people saying that she's just a kid, she's learning how to act and behave at this time in her life. if she isn't given consequences, she could go in acting like this and eventually she would move in from AITA to entitled parents. no wonder nobody else wants to babysit her. she probably has done other things you didn't hear about. don't get me wrong, she may be six years old, but that's no excuse to not respect her babysitter. i'm thirteen right now, but even if i was six and i treated my babysitter like that, i would probably get all devices taken away for like a month, especially after i had been given that many chances. anyway, sorry for the long comment lol.

    ingrid
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    also if any of the kids i babysat acted like that, i would quit too.

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    Darcy Nestler
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA...If the daughter is old enough to realize that the sitter is technically an employee, she's old enough to suffer the consequences of how she treated the sitter.

    Candy Rae
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good on the mother for trying to correct that terrible attitude. No offense but that child seems extremely obstinate and bratty. I would not want a kid like that! Guess i got lucky my son was a natural sweetheart God bless parents trying to correct difficult kid. A lot of people would be tempted to slap or smack that bratty mouth so kudos for not doing that. Her behavior was terrible and you handled it better than many parents would. Being nasty enough to make a sitter quit needs to be quashed asap.

    Kathryn Baylis
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They’re right to dole out consequences for the child’s actions. Good to be doing it now, while she’s young. Waiting until she’s older may be too late, and they’d be well on the road to raising a nightmare person. However, if it came to that, they could just let her go on out totally on her own for a while—-zero help from them, so she would have to work and support herself. Out into the world, which isn’t her mama or daddy, doesn’t love her, and is not even going to think of putting up with her s**t. AT ALL. That would be the hard lesson to learn. Hard for the brat, and just as hard for her parents to stop themselves from jumping in if she falls on hard times because of her entitled attitude. Hope it won’t be necessary, but if it gets to that point and is done right, it will be very effective, and never forgotten.

    MAL
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Children are learning how to behave at that age and have to see that their attitudes and actions have consequences. I don't blame the sitter for quitting. And the mother did the right thing.

    Dodo
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm normally on the child's side of AITA but holy hell, not this time. The kid is obviously not learning this behaviour from the mother (maybe the father though, there isn't enough evidence), and the mother tried multiple times to explain to the child. That's healthy communication, the child seemed to understand but then went back to her old ways. I don't know what else the mother could have done in this situation. The punishment isn't excessive or too light. The child has seen there are consequences and will hopefully grow out of that attitude.

    Kristal
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why are people saying kids that are 6 years old barely comprehend things? Like, that's when many can do basic math, reading, spelling, writing, and money. I men, lemonade stands anybody? Heck, I drew pictures and went door to door to sell them when I was 5 or 6. Maybe it was because I was poor but 6 year olds definitely underand A LOT more then they are given credit by these people. I think the mother acted appropriately by making it known that the child caused her own demise. The catch is, the child may realize she is right and CAN make babysitters go away and run with that. Hopefully the child doesn't get drunk with power and gets the lesson the mother was trying to give.

    Cookie
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What? If I spoke like that, I would get a proper spanking.

    Tony Zecco
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. The little s**t had it coming. She knew what she was doing with the babysitter. She deserves to know that it was her fault that the babysitter quit. She needs to deal with the consequences of it.

    Bryn
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She might be 6. But she's old enough to understand that how she acted was wrong. You can't just let kids get away with anything by saying "oh they're 6, they don't understand." they do. they do understand. You're the one who doesn't understand.

    ChickyChicky
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was a nanny, the 7 yo tried to tell me he didn't have to clear the table because his parents paid me. I said "you know what they pay me to do? To make sure you're doing what you're supposed to, and that includes clearing the table." He never brought that trick up again 😂

    Csilla Kaszas
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    what should she have said, YTA people? 'oh, you cannot go swimming because... swimming is cancelled for an unrelated reason, but definitely not because you made the person, whose job was to take you there, quit.' ?

    CatWoman312
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. The ones saying she is likely have bratty kids as well and apparently see it as acceptable. Tbh I bet the ones say yta are Karen’s irl. This behavior is not acceptable and deserves punishment. From what I learned in child development and psychology is negative/positive reinforcement are the best ways to punish children and she did it right.

    Mine Truly
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with the punishment, but the parent also needs to be keeping an eye out for a behavioral disorder or emotional issues. We saw one verdict from a person who was punished for being "bad" while a diagnosable disorder was overlooked until they were an adult.

    Enby Gilbert
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    2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't understand why people are suggesting that this mother did not deal with this calmly. Assuming she's relaying her story accurately, it sounds like she did really well. After working with children of this age for many years, it is very clear that assuming they can't understand things is the root of some very serious behavioral problems. What they do understand is I can behave this way or I can't behave that way. It sounds like this mother did a good job that can be built on over time.

    Tamara Kroonen
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. A child should learn actions and behavior have consequences. She learns she is in control of the outcomes in life so she will make the proper choices and display the proper behaviors to have success.

    Jess Hoffman
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You did good momma! If you don't teach your daughter now, think about what kind of person she will turn into. I would stand by making her stay in after school for the entire year. The. Maybe when you get a new babysitting she'll treat them with more respect.

    Lori T Wisconsin
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Go mom! Brats learn to LIE between the ages of 2 and 4. After that comes attempts at manipulation.

    Noez 🇸🇪
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. That kid knew she misbehaved, she was punished more than once for her nasty behaviour and still misbehaved and went wayyyy out of line the last time. Screaming to someones face "I am the boss of you" when the kid has been told that she is not anyones boss, is particularly nasty behaviour and there's no excuses for doing so. The kid is a borderline sociopath.

    Random Anon
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Definitely NTA. Kids need to learn responsibility and accountability, and that actions have consequences. Too much of these are lacking these days.

    Laura Pantazis
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like an additional punishment could be having to help with the other kids (under adult supervision) because the little girl's actions resulted in the other kids not having a sitter too.

    Sentinel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Think she is doing a great job as a parent. Growing up in a strict asian household, i wouldnt even dare to disrespect any adult like that without getting severe physical punishment, no joke. fyi im strictly against physical punishment on kids; i just think younger parents nowadays are too ‘woke’ that they are too hesitant to draw on lines when disciplining. Im seeing it everywhere.

    John C
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good on the babysitter for quitting and sparking the real consequences. I get the feeling mom, lacking options, would have only given out more consequences, several rounds of which had already not worked.

    Zet
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA she is old enough to understand consequences, she needs to be put in her place if she acts like a brat. if you do not have your 6 years old children under control imagine dealing with them as soon as they hit puberty. as adults they will feel super entitled because they always got their way in life.. that's how Karens get created

    Bex
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can't not teach a child because they *might* have a psychological concern. As a parent, you're likely having to do both at the same time. That's messy, and sometimes you might look like the asshole. They sound like they're conscientious parents I think it's safe to assume there were several conversations about before the consequences were implemented. Not to mention that the nanny likely didn't tell the parents *every* time their kid was obnoxious. Nannies put up with a lot of crap. You have to work pretty hard to get one to call you to come home immediately, and quit on the spot. That deserves some consequences. And hopefully some more in-depth conversations between the parents to rule out behavioral issues.

    Scratch
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    6 is old enough to know right from wrong - her mother was telling her she was wrong yet she continued to belittle the sitter. The kid is the a-hole, not the mom. People who think otherwise are likely a-holes too.

    zeldapajamas
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, that kid's just an ass. Actions have consequences.

    Paul Budhram
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what we don't want. If the sitter had said something before, (if there was something) it could have gotten fixed A LOT easier. THis kid definitely needs something... and the Nanny might have been a HUGE influence. Reading the behavioral person, it could be that, or it could be just bad influence. Honestly, you might have to do "grades" to get her to listen... and when it drops below a [enter letter here] you take away certain privileges ( Such as Video games, TV, Screen time, games, swimming, etc.)

    Flash Henry
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked as a nanny all through college and for a couple years after. If any kid ever behaved that way, I would have quit on the spot.

    Leo Domitrix
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd like to ask about the dad. Was he not involved until the sitter quit? And at 6, she is old enough for school. She is old enough to learn rules and limits. Courtesy. Obedience to authority. So... I'm reading the mom talked to her, not the dad did. Dad just said, "You were too harsh, she's only 6". Maybe if the dad didn't say "she's only 6", the kid wouldn't get away with so much? I'm hypothesizing wildly ,freely admitted. Not b/c I am a gung-ho child disciplinarian, but b/c this seems to be about a mom ... and the kid. And no dad talking to the kid. Teamwork parenting might make an impression? And here comes the hate, but... There it is. My question.

    Antonov Latanya
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It seems most things submitted to AITA are pieces of creative writing. I question if there are any genuine situations that have been posted lately.

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    Hannah Thompson
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pointing out that actions have long term consequences is a good thing. 6 years old is not too young to learn that.

    Valerie Smart
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People saying yta is reason why we have outta control kids now. They don’t make their kids own up to their behavior and the rest of us are over it . And the parents.

    Mira Heiman
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to have a friend that treated her parents really badly and when I realized I'm becoming her,I left her! I didn't wanna become the brat she was being.

    Jennifer Werezak
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What's totally missing is empathy. Mom isn't showing she understands ger daughters frustration. Monkey see, monkey Do: the daughter therefore rejects empathizing with both mom and sitter. You need to sit down BESIDE one another, not across from one another in a stare down. Mom must share how the daughter's actions made mom and sitter FEEL. Itellectualizing it was overkill. Kid won't get it. Eg. When I was a kid, I HATED and never understood why I was told not to do things that were "rude." It would have made way more sense to simply say, "it makes them feel bad." That, to a child, is a real cconsequence. All logicical statements you used can be negated/misconstrue, BTW, depending on how vivid the child's imagination is. There are always exceptions to the rule. Whereas feelings are more definite. How another person feels cannot be denied. Start there. Children have a fantastic bullsh*t detector built-in; adults oft don't realize the dogma their logic is based upon. kids can't relate

    Norma Reid-Hunt
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You did well, a child of that age can understand there are consequences to actions ie fire is hot and it will hurt if you put your hand in it, or stealing is wrong. She learnt this behavior from another child and can learn to live with the fruit of her action, no swimming, or other after school activities. give ex babysitter a nice cash gift card to show she was appreciated by the adults.

    Tony Zecco
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The little s**t had it coming. NTA. She knew what she was doing with the babysitter. It was her fault she quit.

    wiesenleger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not super experienced with 6 year old (those I taught were super nice), but I tend to take the time to explain complicated things often in an honest and and empathic way. The child might understand the concept of hierachy (possibly with the inclanations of capitalism), but there is a much more important social conduct to behave and money sometimes just gets you so far. I don't know if that works in that case but I used to teach very troubled kids who had a lot of toxic behaviour picked up. I always had a time out explaining how this wouldn't fly in longterm. one of my most memoriable moments was the boy who always got provoked by his peers and he always went violent. I explained him that the way it works is that he will be always be the bad guy if gets violent and also we have to spend time on solving the situation instead of doing our project (which he actually liked). One day I noticed him getting picked on again by one other boy and he was getting mad, started thnking and chilld

    wiesenleger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mild punishment seemed for the first instance be okay. But it obviously didnt work longterm.

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    Vicky Z
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't understand why we have to set debates for these things on the internet....sounds like people want to hear "well done you are a perfect parent".

    Christina Neitz
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saying to a six year old that your actions have effects on others is good. Avoid saying she's bad and that's why the sitter quit but reframe as her hurtful words and actions led to the sitter not wanting to be around them. AND it may be time to review the camera records to see how cruel the child's actions were and look into professional therapy for her and you parents to help her change her behavior or at least give her better tools to cope with feelings that led to the unacceptable behavior. It's not admitting your child is broken, it's saying this is beyond the skills and tools currently available to your family.

    Heather G
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed that it's prob the right punishment. Actions have consequences. I'm not so sure about posting your child's misbehavior on the internet for the likes.

    cybermerlin2000
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Personally I think she is not the A-hole but she would have been able to keep the babysitter if she confronted her daughter by saying the babysitter is the girls boss as she is placed in charge, not the daughter. That the babysitter could fire her by not picking her up after school and have her wait after school activities and not go swimming while the babysitter looks after the other 2 kids

    Dave
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would say, the kid was not just bratty. I wager, if a professional checked the kid out, it would be revealed that she is a classic Narcissist.

    oi flaca
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA but instead of punishments, that mum should try positive discipline. Also the mum should make clear that SHE is the boss as SHE earnes the money, not the kid. She's too young to be a brat with her parent's money.

    Jus
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was very young when I called someone a loafer. My father was furious and he clearly told me how wrong I was. I never said such thing again. I'm sure parents have to react and suffocate unfair, hurtful opinions immediately.

    Leslie Burleson
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hearing them use the term de-escalation makes me think this is a child with behavioral issues. If that's the case then there are ways of bringing her down to calmness to avoid the outbursts in the first place . I want to know what was going on when the child screamed at her. I have three kids with autism and when they are too young to understand, they think they are the equal of adults . As they age they can also go through a phase where they are harsher on a younger child because they also feel like they are equals . Most kids will not just behave badly , for an extended period of time , unless there is a reason. It's understandable for a young child to have a rare meltdown at that age , but when it's consistent , something is not right in their world and acting out is their only way of asking for help

    Jennifer Werezak
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What's totally missing is empathy. Mom isn't showing she understands ger daughters frustration. Monkey see, monkey Do: the daughter therefore rejects empathizing with both mom and sitter. You need to sit down BESIDE one another, not across from one another in a stare down. Mom must share how the daughter's actions made mom and sitter FEEL. Itellectualizing it was overkill. Kid won't get it. Eg. When I was a kid, I HATED and never understood why I was told not to do things that were "rude." It would have made way more sense to simply say, "it makes them feel bad." That, to a child, is a real cconsequence. All logicical statements you used can be negated/misconstrue, BTW, depending on how vivid the child's imagination is. There are always exceptions to the rule. Whereas feelings are more definite. How another person feels cannot be denied. Start there. Children have a fantastic bullsh*t detector built-in; adults oft don't realize the dogma their logic is based upon, and kids can't relate

    Kat Kirkpatrick
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "No (child), you are not the boss of the sitter. MOM or DAD is the boss of the sitter, and the sitter is the boss of YOU. You are the boss of NOBODY until you are 18." Mom is not the AH, and every time the child complains that she can't do something fun that she used to do, mom should remind her that mom and dad both have to work so they can have food, clothes, toys and a place to live, and work doesn't end at the same time school does. So as much as Mommy and Daddy want to be with her all the time, they have to have a sitter to help out, and the sitter is in charge (the BOSS) whenever Mommy and Daddy are not around. Repeat as necessary until the kid finally understands.

    CJK
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good grief! Lots of calling a SIX YEAR OLD CHILD a brat and downvoting on this forum. I'm with the ones here who are saying it's not a simple NTA/YTA situation. The headline says that people think the mom did a great job by punishing the daughter. Yes, many on this forum apparently do. But the mom asked AITA and sounds like she's trying to deal calmly with a very trying child. I've been there. It's not a simple matter of escalating punishments until the kid finally knuckles under, realizes the error of her ways, and then magically respects everyone. Good luck to the mom.

    Aria Whitaker
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At what age are you allowed to call a child acting like a brat...a brat?? You seem to think 6 is not old enough...do they have to be a 8 year old brat? 11? 16? At what age can you call a spade a spade and address what is happening...that a kid is acting entitled, disrespectful and superior...you know...A BRAT?

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    Spring Fisk
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It might help if the daughter was made to understand her sitters point of view. Perhaps have her serve others less fortunate to help her develop empathy.

    Clinton Mudder
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did the parents ever try a rewarding based method of teaching? I don't have children and I have difficulty explaining my thoughts, but I'll try: Humanity is habitual, maybe helping the daughter build a habit of earning rewards for good behavior in things like chores, grades, manners, etc., may make it easier for her to want to obey the sitter. By creating a habit of trying to follow directives, use good manners, study hard, etc., to earn a certain amount of time on the phone, computer, playing with a friend, etc., before obtaining a new sitter, the habit may help her choose to obey and be on her best behavior for the sitter to earn rewards. I would keep track of rewards earned and have the rewards be given a week out, that way you can also deduct time that's been earned during that week, even going negative, which she'll then have to earn enough good behavior points to get herself out of the hole and start earthing the reward. I have more ideas about this system, but not enough space.

    E. Rangel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pleasr people spankig works not beating them, ive called the police to be safe and vrry young told them if u ever call cps on me and they take u to a f

    WillemPenn
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, all the NTA comments on here, ignoring the advice of the child expert in the article, the fact that the story is only presented from the mother's view (no dad or daughter side of the story), the fact that most everyone has outright dismissed the concerns that there is more than meets the eye to this story, and the fact that everyone is ok treating a 5 yo child like a rational adult explains why this world is such a dysfunctional place, how someone like Trump got elected and how there are so many nutters who believe in QAnon. All y'all NTA folks are going to make horrible parents, if you aren't currently in the process of royally effing up your kids. Your kids will end up suiciding, or being total eff-ups, or hating you and you will still think it is your kids' fault. But it is yours. All y'all NTAs, YTAs.

    Sarah Trusty
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A 6 year old behaved like this??! Wow! Parenting classes may be in order.

    Steven Rose
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Children learn from what they observe at home. Punishment is commonly used in the USA however what does the child learn from it? Nothing good. Parental empathy for the child is recommended even if the parent is angry. It could be helpful if the child is truly understood by the parent and feels that emotional understanding. Tough situation!

    Heather Philpot
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The nanny is the issue. As a former nanny, and a mental health counselor, I can say the child’s behavior is normal for her age and is usually used when she feels out of control of things in her life. It’s a pretty common thing to hear from littles who are finding their own voice. The nanny could have easily ignored the comment, or at best use it as a teaching moment. Mom should use it as a teaching moment, then let it go. If that’s the only thing that was the issue with the job, the nanny is working in the wrong profession to begin with.

    Swyft
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    this might not be someone doing it as a profession, this could just be some 16 year old trying to earn enough money to buy a car, and this happened 3 times, the child was told not to do this several times

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    SirWriteALot
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    Something is wrong with this family. Mom may seem like she's all holy like but to have a kid try to boss an adult around, on numerous occasions despite apparently being told not to behave that way, is pointing to a larger problem at hand.

    E. Rangel
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    3 years ago

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    Foster home because u think u deserve better than whay i can provide then that is where u are staying. Once kids get a foot on ur throat ur done for.

    ERIN W.
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    3 years ago

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    THIS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY I DIDN'T HAVE CHILDREN!

    Haouré Naur
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    3 years ago

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    Maybe the issue in this situation is not the behavior of the little girl (we agree she's been terrible and her mother let her understand) I mean she looks smart enough to apologize and agree with her mother's explanations, but she went on her bad behavior no matter the deprivations. It's like she wanted to end the situation with the sitter anyway, to really "fire" her. I think it's possible that this little girl unconsciously wanted to show her mother she didn't want this woman to take care of her. Because the one she wanted to take care of her is her own mother. In my opinion, it appears like a try of a little girl to make her mother "back".

    Sagtiya Sieelan
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    I would have spanked her ass off for behaving like this for sure. No lecturing. This behaviour deserves a good -old spanking to straighten things up😠

    Paul Mitchell
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't agree with spanking, but if ever there was a case for it, this is one!

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    Hans
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    3 years ago

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    This is no simple YTA/NTA question. A six-year old typically has much reason, and a six-year old will need guidance if behaving inacceptably. A six-year old will, however, not be able to foresee all consequences of actions, partcularly not long-term ones, and a six-year old will still much reflect the parents' behaviour. The bossy behaviour, insiting that the sixyear old could get "someone fired" does sound either like copying a parent (maybe an overheard Zoom call?) or TV. In either case, the parents also need to reflect on their own behaviour (how they treat others or how much TV for a six-year old). A total no-go is guilt-tripping a child. If you assume the girl understands the consequences of her actions, explain it to her – without degrading her as a person. If you take consequent action yet do not shame the little girl she will undoubtedly treat the next baby sitter with respect. If you, however, teach her that she herself is not respected, how should she respect others?

    Aroace tiger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't under estimate 6 year olds they are smarter then that. I should know i lived with one a week ago (now they are 7)

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