Did you grow up dreaming about having your very own fairytale wedding? Or has the idea of saying “I do” always seemed unappealing to you? Marriage certainly isn’t for everyone, especially considering the fact that nearly half of all first marriages end in divorce in the United States.
But if you’re curious about why your son or your beau has no desire to get down on one knee or tie the knot, we’ve got a piece you might be interested in down below. Men on Reddit have been discussing all of the reasons they’ve never wanted to get married, so we've gathered some of their most thoughtful replies.
Keep reading to also find a conversation with marriage therapist Dr. Lee Baucom, and be sure to upvote the replies that make particularly valid points.
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Can’t I just want to be alone?
I'm a woman that also wants to be alone and people can't handle that. Constant oh girl u will want someone eventually and no, no I dont
Right! There's a difference between being alone and being lonely.
Load More Replies...Yes you can. We all can if we choose to. If that's what gives you joy do that.
I was alone for a long time. And I was happy. But I always believed in 'never say never'. At 38 I found someone I wanted to share my life
I grew up in the later70's, early 80's, and the preponderance of expectations that Western society dumped in my lap was overwhelming. There were no alternatives. And I say Western not because it's better or worse than anything else but because that's where I grew up. The assumption that a single life is not worth the paper you print it on was and still is rife. I'm on the spectrum of neurodivergence, and I never get lonely. It took a 15-year marriage (poopshow most of the time, she was like me) and 35 years over-all as an adult to finally realize that I'm not 'half a couple.' I'm not an ancestor. I have friends and family and 'me' time. I'm fine, thanks.
Marriage is to sanctify the children, if any, not to satisfy the emotional insecurities of adults. "We are bonded forever" because I don't trust my own sense of loyalty and commitment.
When a woman says she just wants to be alone, she gets the stink eye. :(
I think growing up around miserable married people made me reconsider the idea of marriage for myself. It’s not something I want or need.
Perfectly fine but needs to be upfront about it with everyone from the very beginning and find a partner who definitely thinks and wants the same!
Or perhaps, not look for or have a partner at all?
Load More Replies...80% of my colleagues were divorced or separated or involved in extra marital affairs, all this put me off. But there is not a single such case in my family. My parents are my biggest example of a long, happy married life. When I started living with my parents again during quarantine, away from my colleagues I saw the difference. If two people want to be with each other, they will take measures for it. Its a teamwork. Just one person cannot row that boat.
One of the reasons why women initiate divorce more than men is they far to often are expected to Captain and row the boat with little or no help from their husbands. Commitment, compassion and teamwork: fair and equitable sharing of all labor that includes emotional labor!
Load More Replies...Also single people 🤷🏻♀️ People's past experiences don't determine your future.
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I don't want to get married or have a partner, because I am an introvert and I find peace in solitude, also I don't really get lonely so I don't feel the overwhelming need to find someone. I have nothing against marriage or dating though. When I get old and weak I am taking the first bus home, I never liked the idea of getting old, I think the concept having your body fail you is undignified and I think it is better to not be here at that point, as soon as I am not able to do things and have quality of life, I am done with this planet.
Speaking as another introvert, I find that at the end of the day, after my social battery is thoroughly exhausted, I still enjoy spending time with my husband. Rather than draining me, being with him is comforting :)
Major introvert here. I found another introvert! We go off to our jobs during the day, never call each other or meet up for lunch, come home, fix dinner together, eat while we watch a nice episode of something, and then I go off to read or write, and then we sleep together. It's a positive, supportive, and loving relationship. We just both need a lot of alone time to recharge. We call it "benevolent neglect"-- but totally there for each other in emergencies. Married 35 years. It's wonderful.
I used to think the same. I lived alone for 15 years. I always thought I don't need any one, I am independent, I am taking care of myself. I don't have to become someone's responsibility. Then came along this guy who was different from me but at the same time we were too alike. We joke that we are Loki (me married to myself). Unlike movies, it wasn't a damsel in distress and knight in shining armour. I was already happy with my life, he just made it two folds.
Agreed on the latter part. Once I'm old I am going to opt for voluntary self-unaliving. Probably go to Switzerland for it.
I'm hoping very much that the law will have changed by the time I reach that point
Load More Replies...I agree with the introvert part. I'm young and still have time to find the right person but sometimes it's better and more comfortable to be alone.
I am 65 and able bodied. I have told my wife, my adult children, my grandchildren and my close friends when the day comes that I am failing phyically or mentally to the point I see myself no longer being able to take care of myself, I fully intend to exit the planet. I even have multiple options available currently.
I'm not an introvert but I love my own company, I can spend days alone in my flat.
The elephant in the room here is his “old age plan.” This is an alarming statement, and I say that as an introvert who lives alone.
That is a young people's view. As someone who works with seniors with dementia, I can assure you, that even though that life seems undignifying for the outside world, most of them cherish every living day they have left and want to see another day, whilst finding joy in the littlest things in life ( see a kitten, have a nice cookie, hear music, etc...) . Of course, sometimes at the very end, some of them are done living, yet they don't take the first bus home, or the second, or the third.... Somehow they find strength, grace or peace to overcome that last bit too. All that time working there, there was only one euthanasia request. Let's keep hope that life still has to offer some kind of quality of life when those days come :)
Load More Replies...To learn more about why tying the knot might not be for everyone, we reached out to marriage therapist and creator of Save the Marriage, Dr. Lee Baucom. According to Dr. Baucom, sometimes marriage is not right for an individual, but it also might just not be the right time or the right partner for them.
“Here are some pretty good reasons for not marrying right now: You are only doing it because it seems to be the ‘next step’ in a relationship. Not for love, or because you are ready to commit. But because it seems like the time,” the expert shared.
Another reason may be because “you are hoping that your future spouse is going to make you happy. Not their job, not their capacity," Dr. Baucom says.
I love my significant other, but marriage itself has literally no perks in my eyes.
What does it give me that the current relationship status does not?
Legal rights, e.g., if your spouse is incapacitated for whatever reason you have decision making authority, can receive their earned social security benefits if married for at least 7 years, even if divorced, etc, etc and lower taxes.
That depends on country - in Australia common law relationships (2 years co-habitating) have same rights as married.
Load More Replies...Sensible answer - depends on where you live. Frivolous answer - anniversary presents 🤣
Non-married couples celebrate anniversaries too.
Load More Replies...I call all that "I love him/her but there is no benefit to being married" a b******t unless this is what BOTH of them want. My husband (together for 12 years) didn't saw anything special about being married. When he proposed I was a little surprise and asked him later "why did you propose if you don't think that marriage change anything?". He said that he still doesn't really care but he knows that I care and that it will make me happier so why not do this? And it's so true! If your significant other would like to get married and you think that it's not really changing anything why not do this? Unless you actually think that it does change something and you don't want to commit to this changes. At the end being married didn't really change anything between us except of legal rights (which is useful) but the fact that he was thinking about making me happy made me love him even more.
A whole lotta.legal rights, especially when there are kids involved.
Same goes for Registered Partnership here. There is literally no reason to marry
Load More Replies...In the Netherlands you can get a registered partnership. "marriage" is often religious based (or done because it is tradition). I see no real advantages to get married either, although to have a day to affirm/confirm your love for eachother, to have pictures of that day and stop and think about that day every year, like one day a year it is all about your relationship. It's not the same as the anniversary of the day you met, or the day you started dating, as there are no pretty pictures and family involved. I'm just thinking out loud, and my reasoning leads me to: yes, I'd want a special day with pictures and family to show the world my love for this person, and have this person return it. For us to remember in years to come. With my last partner of 14 years (and 3 kids) I wasn't married. Woud being married (or having had a special day) have helped in our relationship? Maybe. Because we didn't put enough effort in it, took eachother for granted too much. A relationship is work.
Years ago it got you a good income tax break and legal rights if your spouse died. Still have the latter I suppose.
Can still most definitely help with income tax depending on the relative wages. I make more than my partner and I would have a top marginal tax rate higher without them (i.e. the total, one high-ish income and one moderate income, comes in at a lower tax rate than my filing single rate). ETA: there is no advantage for two equal incomes.
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marriage is an archaic social construct.
Even the arbitrary steps to getting married are ridiculous and all for social acceptance/validation.
1. Expensive engagement ring
2. Engagement
3. Bachelor/Bachelorette parties
4. Wedding Shower
5. Exepensive Wedding & Reception
6. Honeymoon
7. Divorce
You don’t need any of that s**t to simply love your partner.
You don’t need any of that s**t to get married, either, as long as you're both on the same page.
Those are all just options. You don't need any of them to have a marriage.
If OP honestly believes you NEED all that fluff to get married, then they are too young to get married
My wedding 20 years ago, PRE SOCIAL-MEDIA: 1. No engagement rings 2. ??? If you mean party, didn't do that. 3. Nope 4. Nope 5. $8000 for a wedding for (can't remember how many) less than 100 people. 6. Everyone goes on holidays sometime so this is not an added expense in life. 7. Not there yet :-D
I mean i just wanna get married the only thing on that list i want is a small local honeymoon
We had our honeymoon the year before we got married... You do you!
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Well, I was married before, and I found out the hard way that you can't necessarily trust anyone to prioritize your interests just because they vowed to.
You married someone you thought should prioritize your decisions and yourself over them? Sounds like you expected to be the only important person in this marriage.
This so depends on how you read this. Trust anyone to prioritize your interests over your spouse or other people all the time - want to be the princess/prince in the relationship and the centre of attention? Not okay... Trust someone to care about you and make room to prioritize your interests and needs too, the same as you meet theirs as well ?... Sure, that is what marriage is about.
My first thought here was all the stories about invasive in-laws and spineless spouses.
Um...yeah that's not how it works. You're not gaining a cheerleading slave, it's supposed to be a partnership in which you BOTH advocate for the betterment of BOTH your lives. And guess what? Sometimes that means you're going to disagree on the best way to do that.....which is why anyone whose been married for more than about 5 minutes bangs on about the importance of communication and compromise.
LOL. Did you prioritize them? Did you prioritize their wishes and needs over yours? A marriage it goes BOTH ways. You are not getting married to have a pet or a slave. Or a new mommy. It’s a TWO way street. Reciprocal.
Dr. Baucom also noted that it’s not wise to marry if you feel pressured into it by that person, family, friends, faith, or some other external reason. “Those ‘pushes’ won’t last past the wedding. They are usually replaced by resentment,” he explained.
And if you’re not ready to commit, don’t jump into a marriage. “It just isn’t fair to another person to step into a lifelong commitment when you aren’t fully ready, for whatever reason,” Dr. Baucom added.
Why does not being married mean that I’m not allowed to have a life long partner?
I have a live in lifetime booty call as well lol I kid, I kid, I adore my partner, but we also have no interest in marriage. Maybe one day we might decide to walk into a courthouse, but there are no plans on the horizon. We enjoy each other and our life together immensely, so we are currently exercising the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" plan.
In the future, archaeologists will look at you and your partner and go "and they were roommates!" ...I got nothin, if you find that lifelong partner, you live your life together the way that works best for you.
My ex-"friend" once told me that my relationship wasn't serious because we weren't married. We had been together 12 years at this point.
We've been together for nearly 11 years, no need for marriage. Fair enough we're both guys and never thought it would even be possible to get married in our lifetime but just because we now can doesn't mean we need to.
I have been with my "husband" for 38 years. Marriage never appealed to me, we are very happy as we are.
Load More Replies...Then find someone who wants the same but know that a willingness to compromise is essential in any partnership and needs and wants do change.
Never seen a marriage that I've thought of "I'd like me one of those please". I've seen my parents and friends marriages end up in divorce. And the friends that are still married are constantly fighting and arguing over petty things. So I think those are the main contributors to my negative outlook.
It's also that weddings are a massive waste of money. Blowing 20K on a single day? No thanks. If she cheats on me, she still takes half my stuff? It's almost a better financial decision to take half my savings and head off to a casino. Of course, this is a massive generalization, there are a lot of great women out there. But dare I step on this minefield called marriage and potentially lose an arm and a leg? I doubt it.
As for when I'm old and frail. Probably end up in a nursing home and just die eventually.
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It's good to make the difference between weddings and marriages. Some of the comments have actually been giving me some positive insights. I was positivly surprised that all women who reacted would be okay with a small wedding or wouldn't mind getting married in city hall. Which I think cuts my reasons against marriage in half 🤭
I guess if your view of relationships in general is people arguing over petty things, you're probably not in a relationship either. Long term, married or not, you will surely start sharing a mortgage or responsibility for a property, maybe kids. Arguments will happen, married or not.
You don't need to spend 20k on a wedding. Not even a tenth of that if you don't want to.
I think the most expensive thing in my wedding was a pair of fancy earrings I got myself as my something blue.
Load More Replies...Exactly one month from today my husband and I are celebrating our 25th wedding anniversary. We both believe we've made it this long because we were friends first. I had a few boyfriends, I'm his second wife and we were in our late twenties when we married, so we were a LOT more responsible and mature. He's my best friend and the most hilarious, talented man I've ever known.
Been married a similar length of time - met him when I was 17 but didn't get married for many years! Being friends is absolutely a massive part of our relationship.
Load More Replies...My wife proposed to me, we got married at 1030 in the morning in the courthouse with two random employees as witnesses and didn't bother to tell anyone about it. We had simple silver wedding bands made from silver that we sourced ourselves. All in cost was around $400 and most of that was due to the fact that i was american marrying someone in Romania.
My in-laws have been married for maybe 60 years. The got married at 1PM on a Saturday afternoon and had lemonade and cake for their reception of maybe 20.
If your partner isn't on the same page on where you get married, time to dip. My husband said if so and so asked him if he'd had his blessing to marry our daughter (and please can we not get into this aspect here) he said he'd say yes, on one condition: they elope. He wasn't kidding.
My goddaughter asked if I would mind if she got married in Vegas. I told her to go wild, just send me lots of photos. My husband and I dressed up at the time of the wedding and sent her photos of us toasting them
Load More Replies...Weddings can cost just the license and register Office fee or thousands depends on what you are happy to do. My son and his wife had a relatively small wedding around £5000 including food and alcohol for about 40 people it was a lovely relaxing time with people who were important and close to bride and groom
1. I know some couples who have been married for fifty or sixty years and they are very happy together. Happy marriages do exist. 2. A wedding is a massive waste of money if you are stupid enough to waste a massive amount of money on it. You can make it simple and just invite a bunch of true friends and beloved family members. Not every woman has been dreaming of their wedding and all that s**t since they were little girls. 3. Of all the cheaters I know (I can think of eight right now), the vast majority (7) are men. 4. Everybody will just die eventually.
Same reason I don't want to play golf: it just doesn't look very exciting. Also, it has a low success rate. About half of marriages end in divorce, and of the ones that last, many of them are abusive or unhappy. It's a bad idea in every respect. The real question is why would anyone *want to* get married?
If one can't answer that question then absolutely they should not get married.
If you're partner is sick or unconscious you can be their advocate. If they pass away you have some say in what happens. There are a few legal reasons 100% worth marrying. Unfortunately most involves horrible scenarios.
S**t happens sooner or later. It's better to be ready for it. In your daily life you may think you don't need "a piece of paper" to love somebody, but eventually you *will* need the f*****g piece of paper in the worst possible moment, and you will be sorry if you don't have it.
Load More Replies...Marriage does take work and it's pretty obvious that you aren't willing to work on something like being married. Your choice. Your loss.
The ONLY reason to marry is to legitimize any offspring. No kids planned? Stay independent.
Sigh, that stupid statistic again. It's "half the marriages", not "half the people who get married". It does not mean that 50% of all people got married have been divorced. Most people who get divorced remarry, and they are also much more likely to divorce again. So, if 1,000 couples get married, and 250 of the get divorced. Now, of those 250, 200 remarry. SInce divorce rate is very very high in second marriages, let us say that 150 of these get divorced. So, there are been 1,200 marriages, and 250 + 150 = 400 divorce. So even though 33% of all marriages have ended in divorce, in reality, only 25% of all these people have been divorced. So no, if you get married, there is a far high chance of staying married than 50%.
"I have trouble coming to compromises.." No wonder you couldn't stay married!
We also asked Dr. Baucom if some couples might be better off simply staying together but never actually getting married. “There are some psychological shifts that just can’t happen when you are living together,” he noted. “But some don’t want to really step into that. If a couple is happy with the level of commitment and the boundaries of living together, they certainly should not step into a further commitment of marriage.”
“The real issue and conflict is when one wants to move toward marriage and the other does not,” Dr. Baucom says. “The friction that comes from that often destabilizes the relationship. The solution, though, isn’t marriage, but finding out why they feel differently about the future path of their marriage. Getting married should be two enthusiastic ‘Yes’ votes. If they aren’t both at ‘Yes,’ then it is a ‘No, not at this time.’”
Divorced. Never want to go there again. Hoping for a girlfriend but will not ever get married again. I don’t even want to live with my girlfriend. My place is mine.
My brother got married for the first time when he was 70. He and his wife live in separate houses and do weekend sleep overs. They both enjoy living alone too much.
My parents lived in different parts of the country for about 15 years. Three months at one place together. Three months apart. Three months at the other place together. It got stated for reasonable reasons and they just got used to the rhythm of it.
Load More Replies...I feel exactly the same. My marriage was awful. I like having my own house and solitude, never marrying again.
I'm with you on this and I'm female. You can't have my stuff was the deal sealer!!
Yeah, after 13 years of having the house to myself, I can't imagine living with anyone again.
And I do hope if you do find a girlfriend that her place is hers and that you both have the financial resources to conduct your relationship outside of your personal domiciles. Restaurants and hotel rooms all the time are expensive!
That may not be what he means. That they don't want to live together does not mean going to hotels. Here we have LAT relationships ( perfectly acceptable since the 70ties) Living Apart Together. Each their own home, like any other single. But have an exclusive relationship. No need for a hotel anywhere. Not wanting to live together does not mean she can't come over or even spend the night or even a few. Basic idea is that both have their own homes to return to, when together time is done for that time being ...
Load More Replies...I assume that also means you don't want to have children with your future girlfriend? Nothing wrong with that, but what you call "girlfriend" in this context has more "friend" overtones than anything else. This "friend" can of course be female, but "girlfriend" seems to imply more than is actually warranted in this case.
I've (53m, twice married and twice divorced no kids) spent so many years in relationships that drain you emotionally and financially only to ultimately fail that I'm done.
I have trouble coming to compromises in a relationship, and I haven't always chosen the best women either. And I'm not perfect either. Basically relationships are exhausting to me, I'm very introverted and used to being alone for long periods of time.
It's a better experience than being in a relationship. I think I'm supposed to be single and I've accepted the limitations of living this way.
Me too. It was exhausting living with a man would did understand the concept of "private me time". I was used to years and years of living alone. He thought "me time" was because I didn't want to be with HIM. I'm so happy to be alone now. Lost so much money thru that relationship but still managed to rise above.
I'm so lucky my husband understands I need to be alone quite often. He never judges me for it or gets offended.
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I'm married but it's completely pointless. I'm no more committed than I would be otherwise. It's totally pointless unless you have a faith
See above comment and faith has absolutely nothing to do with getting married for billions of people who are Atheists, Agnostics, etc. I am an Atheist who chose to get married.
The only reason it has any significance related to faith is because of a faulty thought process. Why would your magic sky fairy who knows and see everything need to see a piece of paper showing government approval/registration? At the every least, if faith had something to do with it your religion would have a ceremony that marries you in the eyes of your chosen sky fairy without requiring you to get the government involved.
Load More Replies...Religion stopped being the motivating factor a loooong time ago. Taxes, insurance, social security among other financial reasons, legal decision making powers in the event of unforeseen emergencies, for those of us who've abandoned living in the dystopian hellscape of the US it allows you to skip a whole bunch of prerequisites required to reside in another country. Yeah, there's SOME exceptions that allow non-married people in long term relationship to claim the same benefits, BUT, getting there requires TIME, MONEY, and wading through legal bureaucracy while enduring invasive scrutiny during times that you absolutely do not want to deal with any of it. That you don't understand the legal benefits doesn't mean that you get to dismiss it as fodder for the religious. Both my wife and i are lifelong atheists.
Married atheist here. We took the plunge for a whole myriad of reasons, absolutely none of them having anything to do with religion.
Or want easy arrangements for kids, when you get ill or die, and tax benefits etc. At least where I live you can get married for free and it will keep your finances separated as standard.
Atheist here - the only reason I'm still married after 33 years, is because it's harder to be single and I don't want to lose half of everything to a man that would just give it all away.
Just a thought, but maybe it's only pointless unless you have faith if you're the type of asshat that feels it's 'completely pointless' and that they are 'no more committed than they would be otherwise'.
We were also curious if men tend to be more reluctant to get married than women. “I think there is still a stronger cultural pressure on women to see a wedding and marriage as their future,” Dr. Baucom shared. “Familial and cultural expectations for women are about the wedding and life as a married couple. Men don’t have quite the same pressures (not to say they are absent — just less pronounced). We are in something of a historic transition, though, where people are waiting longer and longer to get married. Or they simply don’t see it as their future.”
It never interested me. When I was a kid I would just parrot whatever my peers, relatives and sibling would say as regards marriage but it was only when I was older did I then realise that I had no desire whatsoever. My parents have been married nearly 40 years, my brother is married but I never saw anything about married life that I genuinely wanted. I always felt I was destined for more in life than just pair-bonding or procreating. I know for certain I **will** die alone and I'm perfectly content with that.
It is okay to want this. And if one changes their mind - then go with the wind of change... See no problem with this. An aunt of mine wanted the same she thought. She lived her life alone happily, until a surprise came along and married him at age 80. Happily married ever since - like a couple of years now, still going strong :)
Load More Replies...Why would I need to be married because of aging? Weirdest reason I've heard to get married. If someone loves you they'll age with you without a contract that can be revoked by divorce. I don't think marriage changes much, at least for the positive. If the relationship is great it can be great without marriage and if it's not marriage won't magically make it better. In Finland there's not that much downside, hence I'm married because I felt like it and the small legal upsides were worth it. Neither of us really cared, most important reason was inheritance and the tax related to it.
Who says the reason to get married is aging??? Marrying too young is often problematic due to low maturation, most people need time to grow into who they are to know what they need and want.
I hear a lot of people trying to scare others into getting married/having kids with the “You’re going to die alone!” c**p
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Most of the girls I know seem to view marriage as an opportunity for social media photos rather than a real commitment.
Combine that with the family court's hostility towards men and it's just a recipe for disaster.
Plus, I've heard "forever" from too many women to believe it anymore.
They are the ones with the most sad married life. My colleague used to put happy pictures on social media (I don't have any, other colleagues would show me). Found out from her best friend that things are not going well and the pictures are just a facade. She married against her parents' wishes and wants them to think she is happy with this guy.
Yes. It looks extremely uncomfortable. I would be worrying all the time, and wouldn't dare move, just in case!
Load More Replies...It is best to not marry if one is constantly angry, bitter and ill informed!
You are *really* trying to convince people, aren't you?
Load More Replies...I had a fiancee who definitely saw me as the head on top of the tux. What a relief it never got that far
But if marriage is something that you and your partner are ready for, you shouldn’t be afraid of it. “Divorce rates are slightly lower than they once were,” Dr. Baucom noted. “This is partly because people are taking the commitment seriously. So, they wait on marriage longer.”
“Others have changed their expectations of marriage, creating new rules and roles within marriage. This is partly due to the fact that many now in the midst of marriage grew up watching the old expectations and the new possibilities of leaving a marriage without shame, lead to broken marriages,” the expert says. “They watched their parents and friends’ parents go through painful marriages. And in their attempts to avoid that pain, they either avoid marriage or take it more seriously and thoughtfully.”
Been with my girlfriend 17 years we have a 12-year-old kid never been married, we've ran into situations where we probably should have split up and being married would have just made It worse.
This makes sense. It is easier and less distressing and financially destructive to break up civilly instead of fighting through a vicious court case and custody battle (that s**t can really f**k a kid up)
If they split they'll still have the custody battle because they have a kid together. And honestly, if two people's lives are so entwined for 17 years, it is likely going to be really difficult to separate your lives again. Who gets what? If it's not amicable and you bought stuff together, you could still end up in court, except with fewer precedents than with divorce.
Load More Replies...Glad to hear your 12 year old kid has never been married
This one provokes an interesting thought...Does a marriage create a 'pressure cooker' atmosphere that is more likely to explode in the face of rough/bad times where a non-married couple view the same rough/bad times through a different light? Does marriage create a corner that people think they have to fight to get out of?
Having a kid without marriage sets said kid up for a lot of bullying.
*'we've run'. The ship sank, the ship has sunk, the ship will sink. There are three cases, not just two.
Pretty simple, as a legal and social institution I think it’s b******t and there’s no real reason to do it. That doesn’t mean I’m opposed to finding a girl I love and staying with her for a long time, I’m just not gonna legally bind myself to her or throw an expensive party for myself
Versus. An inescapable legal biased anti male punitive family law system which is neither just or enforced equally
Load More Replies...Got it, "I really like you but not so much that I'm gonna legally bind myself to you. I need the flexibility to leave whenever I feel like it".
legal binding also doesnt mean people cant cheat or leave so it really doesnt mean anything
Load More Replies...The major legal reason is to have a support structure to raise children in. Unmarried people who have kids and then split up have little legal means to collect child support.
I've seen marriages fail all around me. My mom is not happy in hers but she has her own issues.
My friend, who didn't want to get married or have kids at first, did that. He got married, had a kid, wife cheated on him with 2 different men and they got divorced. He's paying child support and is starting to think his kid isn't his. Hes afraid to take a paternity test but knows he should.
That alone was enough of a reason.
And even if the kid isn´t his he is probably still on the hook to pay because already fulfilled a fatherly role for the kid for who knows how long beforehand.
“I believe the next decade will reveal a shift toward how people go into marriage, and what they do when they hit the inevitable tough points of marriage,” the expert added.
If you’d like to hear more wise words from Dr. Lee Baucom about marriage in general or your own relationship, be sure to check out Save the Marriage!
When I get old and weak I guess I'll just soldier on until I die? I mean, what else is there? Expecting some other old person to take care of me? That's just silly.
This makes a lot of sense. I don't like to rely on/burden people so why burden some poor sod to legally have to deal with me?
Agreed. Much better to end up in a care home where you have to pay to be looked after. Especially in the US, where I hear that healthcare is so cheap you could throw yourself in front of a speeding car and walk out of hospital with more money than when you walked in.
Load More Replies...What if the other person is the burden and you take care of them, would that be ok? Or would you simply cut your partner loose, "sorry honey, I know cancer's a b***h but your on your own now". You're right, you should never get married.
I dunno if this applies to me. When I was younger, all I wanted was to be a good husband and a good father. Then I got married and had a kid. While I love being a dad to my now grown child and feel like I stuck the landing on the whole "good father" bit, the same cannot be said for the "good husband" portion of my aspirations.
I mean, I wasn't a bad husband by any stretch, but me and the X-Wife were a trainwreck together. Ended after only a few years. I initially assumed I'd eventually remarry. Even came close with my last girlfriend. I poured everything I had into that relationship. Gave her all I had to give, and it still wasn't' enough.
After all that, the idea of being married again, or even sharing time with a woman or being part of a couple again, is the last thing I want. The last thing I plan to ever do again.
I'm currently caring for my elderly mother. Dad passed a bit over a year ago and so now I'm tending to her needs. When God calls her Home to be with dad, I can't see myself spending any time with women anymore. Despite my years of research and dedication to learning how to treat women well, I still understand essentially nothing about them. I don't think you can make a woman happy and I'm too old and too tired to try again. And also don't have any trust left to offer after so much heartbreak. Starting up something new wouldn't be fair because I'd inevitably end up punishing the new woman for the issues created by the last. And I hate the idea of doing that to anyone as much as I hate the fact that my last girlfriend did that to me. Made me constantly feel like I was paying for the sins of lesser men who didn't put in the effort as was I.
So yeah, no more marriage hopes or plans for me. No more relationships or girlfriends. I don't even want to date anymore. After mom is gone, I plan to spend whatever time I have left alone.
Maybe try thinking of women as individuals, maybe even fellow humans, instead of some species to be "studied."
That's my life now. Twice married and twice divorced, One for physical & mental abuse and the second due to long-term infidelity. Had a boyfriend for 8 years and that ended due to the constant mental abuse he inflicted upon me. I can't go through it again and have been single since the last one ended in 2005.
Why would i want to is the real question. I gain absolutely nothing from getting married and could potentially lose everything.
Alot of these are about financial insecurity, I guess I've been right all along, love is is just a pretty fairytale, like Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.
Losing everything you've built up as a unit is indeed a reason to avoid marriage. It's not a petty fairytale to work all your life, feel secure and suddenly have all of that taken away from you.
Load More Replies...In which your don't explain single perk of marriage. You only pretend to be elevated over those poor poor people not wanting to marry, but give not a single reason.
Load More Replies...I prefer the peace and quiet of solitude, personally. Beyond that, modern marriage is a failing institution. With the ever increasing focus on individual self within society, marriage has basically become extended dating, where anyone can pick up and leave for any reason. No one seems to want to communicate, cooperate, or compromise enough to maintain the bonds of marriage. The days of seeing married couples celebrating their golden anniversaries are over.
If we don't make it to gold, it will only be because we had a late start. My parents have been married for 67 years
I'm going to die anyway being married does nothing to change that, more than 50% marriages fail so not exactly a comforting contract. I don't see marriage as a fun experience, it holds little value as it has less meaning than ones word. Also, my partner would get old with me, so how are they gonna be able to look after me and why would I want to legally bind them into having to do so.
Marriage is the absolute opposite of love, it's a contractual agreement designed to distribute assets and wealth, it is greed and vanity masquerading as faithfulness and love its a well conceived hold over from a time when people did not have as many rights as they do now.
Marriage is a contract and it is expected of spouses to look after each other also in old age, but there are people for which this contractual obligation just doesn't come into play: they just look after each other because that is what they WANT to do, not because it's expected of them.
Lived together 3 years and been married 43 years. We look after each other because we love and respect each other. I'm 68, husband is 69.
Load More Replies...Don't know why this was downvoted it has a lot of legit points, speaking as someone trained in legal processes and a divorcee
*american marriages. This is a very jaded and pessimistic but also very realistic and true way to look at it.
I'm from UK. Out of my friends and family, divorced - 7, still married - 5, never married - 2, (subset of still married, still married and probably shouldn't be - 2)
Load More Replies...I *was* married for 15 years. Here's a few reasons I'll never do it again: - 60% chance of failure, if you had a previous marriage chances are higher still - In nearly all cases, divorce is more kind to women than men, even if settled amicably/out of court - In ALL cases where children are involved, harm is done to them, and they are often innocent bystanders - marriage is expensive, but divorce can be even more so FWIW I'm not against having close relationships, but after experiencing the grief I have, and seeing it harm my child... I'll always and forever shy away from that level of responsibility in the future. I'll stick to just having good friends.
my story is the same as the above and I had my kids at 35
Load More Replies...I did a trial run and she changed personality within days/weeks. Divorced her a few months later after and im not gonna jump the gun next time, at least 5 years minimum with someone before even contemplating it.
People don't change their personalities after marriage. They merely reveal them.
Although they didn't use the word, many of these posts mention the concept of alimony.
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It creates a contractual agreement between two parties that either party can on a can withdrawal from the contract at any time. However, the less well off party can have the state order the more well off party to give a substantial amount of income to them just because they decided to void the contract.
If you did not describe this as marriage any lawyer would tell you to f*****g run. I have no desire to involve the state in my relationship just to hand someone a tool to ruin my life with.
That’s a lot of faith to put into another person. The divorces I’ve seen and the devastation around them remind me such faith is misplaced.
In a sense, no one can be trusted: people change, sometimes because they just get older, sometimes because bad things or good things happen to them. Marriage changes people as well. No one, ever, married or not, stays the same. So to me that is not a reason not to get married. Perhaps the poster has difficulties accepting that life changes people and sometimes in a bad way?
But it's also a lot of faith to receive from another person. Very gratifying faith if you make yourself worthy of it.
The faith you must possess is faith in the decisions you make. Thusly, who you choose as a partner should be representative of that faith.
they are synonyms. Belief is the germanic word, Faith is the latin-derived word. Sounds to me like you are thinking 'faith' has the narrow meaning of trust in god.
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Outdated tradition, very high risk and very low reward. It only makes sense for a religious and traditional man with a similar wife.
Very high risk, very low reward...there it is, it's a financial transaction not a commitment to love, cherish and honour.
These chaps do seem focused on financial aspects, don't they
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Marriage provides no benefits to men that one cannot have by simply living with your long-term girlfriend and being a decent man, a decent human being.
You don't nned to get married to have a child. You don't need to get married to love and be loved. You don't need to be married to be responsible for your women and children, to care for them, to earn money for them and so on. And you can always just give your girlfriend the Power of the Attorney (or however it is called in English) if you are afraid that she won't be able to make decisions for you if you are incapacitated.
The only consequence of the marriage that cannot be achieved by just living together is breaking oaths and costly divorce and even then, civil marriage institute exists and you can be fleeced even if you are just cohabitating.
Don't get me wrong, I am going to marry my long-term girlfriend (when I meet her and find her to be a good woman), but I am not going to do it because *I* want to, but rather because *she* will want it.
Who says "she" will want it? I wanted to have the fairytale wedding, when I was literally a small child. Then I grew up. I now have NO interest thank you, but I've been in a committed relationship for 16 years. Not every "she" wants marriage.
When I was a kid I was planning my dream funeral rather than dream wedding. Had the music, dress, flowers, decor all picked out. I didn’t know if anyone was going to want to marry me, but I knew I was going to die!
Load More Replies...Why does marriage have to involve a party? There are some really twisted ideas about marriage out there, like having to involve batchelor/batchlerette parties, big expensive wedding ceremonies/destinations, expensive rings, expensive dresses, etc. Sorry, but spending this kind of money for a day or two is stupid. Better off saving that Lind of money and using in a practical way, like a down payment on a house!!
Sounds like there's no real difference between a long term relationship and a marriage anyway. It all comes down to whether you want to have a party and declare yourselves in front of your friends.
A marriage is more than a wedding, my friend, much more. Millions of people get married with only an Officiant which requires two witnesses who can be complete strangers to sign the certificate of marriage. Sounds like you have some learning and growing to do.
Load More Replies...Study after study, survey after survey, shows that a child born to unwed parents is at a disadvantage socially. Said kid is more apt to be bullied by his peers, and harmed by the lower expectations of any teachers. Since this society is still set up for people to be married before having a kid, no way I'd disadvantage a prospective kid by not being married.
54% of marriages end in divorce. 85% are initiated by women. Not all that beneficial to get married if you're a man.
Nor, it seems, beneficial to women. Single women are reportedly happier than married ones.
If 85% of divorces are initiated by women, that indicates that marriage is not that beneficial to women.
Are you kidding? They get alimony, child support and in some states, the man's retirement benefits! Hardly NOT beneficial....
Load More Replies...False. That statistic puts married men in one column and divorced and single men in the other. If the divorced men are put with the married men - which they should be since you have to get married to get divorced - then the single, never married men live longer.
Load More Replies...No it isn't. When divorced men are included with married men - which they should be since you have to get married to get divorced - then single men live longer. Divorce shortens a man's life expectancy.
Load More Replies...1) choosing the wrong partner, 2) probably because the inverse statistic indicates that men cheat more. What's your point?
Yeah, my landlady initiated her divorce from her husband. He was shacked up with a stripper.
None of these men sound happy anyway, so would make the worst partners/husbands. Most sound very toxic and misogynistic.
I’m 40 (and never married) and most married people in my life are happy. Very low divorce rates. People seem to be married to their best friend. Have healthy hobbies with and apart from their spouse. Are they perfect marriages, no way. But are they loving and supportive, hell yes! That’s what I’m hoping for.
Exactly! Married to my best friend, sometimes we do what he wants, sometimes what I want, sometimes what we both want. We may have small disagreements, but that's normal as no person is 100% the same as the other person. It all boils down to proper communication, being supportive of eachother and love. Plus my drs listen more to my husband then me when we deal with my illnesses.
Load More Replies...This isn't rocket science. It is about the legal upsides. Who can make life or death decisions for you, what happens with children/possessions when you die. etrc
Exactly. My husband and I would be just as committed without the piece of paper. But the piece of paper *does* make the legal and financial side of things 1000x easier, at least where we live.
Load More Replies...My mom once told me she will never get married again because she will never give a man that much power and control over her life. My dad was not always a good person. But I still got married when I was 30, coming up on 9 years (started dating at 21, been together, gosh… 18 years?). I see my dad in him more and more.
I've often said that government shouldn't have the right to say who can or can't be married. Instead, marriage should be a social thing. Instead, government should have legal contracts that outline rights and responsibilities between two parties, regardless of what their social relationships are.
Load More Replies...Why grow a tomato? I could find much cheaper in the market. And might turn out to be the type I don't like. Or pests might steal the fruit of my labor. And at the end of season need to find a place to dispose the dead plant . Just negatives, and yet here I am hoping to grow a tomato
My parents marriage did make my brother and me feel that we wanted some of that. Most of the reasons for not getting married sounded like someone wanted to leave the door open for themselves. I didn't want to do that, and neither did my husband.
In NZ, if you live together for 3 years and split, you're in the same boat financially as if you were married. You gotta share. So getting married really is no different that co-habitating long term. It's just a party and a declaration in front of your friends and family (and each other) that you want to be in this long term. Which is nice, but not necessary.
It's interesting that the fear is financial and the focus is on half of marriages failing rather than half succeeding. If I offered you a million dollar lottery ticket with a 50% chance of winning, you'd take it. Do these men only view their partners as financial risks rather than people whose commitment to them provides health and mental health benefits and may like the security of being able to see their partners in the hospital in the event of emergency.
My wife and I are about to celebrate 25 years. Took us 10 years how to navigate a fight not worth fighting and realize you just need to stay quiet as they are just venting at you. Then there are some who manage beyond the 10 years and shouldn't have, just doubling down on pride. One point that gets attention, "you need to communicate", that advice is a cop out. Communication isn't just verbal, its physical, biological and emotional, most do not have that in their tool box. We learned the hard way. Another one, "you have to have trust", we do, we share our main email address, facebook account, etc. Plus have full access to each other phones (helps when one phone starts having a major problem). We still have fun, some people mark their anniversaries going to a chain restaurant, not us. And we take at least two weeks of vacation a year, supplemented with the occasional weekend getaway. Seen many so invested into their career, they think taking a week off is a chore.
None of these men sound happy anyway, so would make the worst partners/husbands. Most sound very toxic and misogynistic.
I’m 40 (and never married) and most married people in my life are happy. Very low divorce rates. People seem to be married to their best friend. Have healthy hobbies with and apart from their spouse. Are they perfect marriages, no way. But are they loving and supportive, hell yes! That’s what I’m hoping for.
Exactly! Married to my best friend, sometimes we do what he wants, sometimes what I want, sometimes what we both want. We may have small disagreements, but that's normal as no person is 100% the same as the other person. It all boils down to proper communication, being supportive of eachother and love. Plus my drs listen more to my husband then me when we deal with my illnesses.
Load More Replies...This isn't rocket science. It is about the legal upsides. Who can make life or death decisions for you, what happens with children/possessions when you die. etrc
Exactly. My husband and I would be just as committed without the piece of paper. But the piece of paper *does* make the legal and financial side of things 1000x easier, at least where we live.
Load More Replies...My mom once told me she will never get married again because she will never give a man that much power and control over her life. My dad was not always a good person. But I still got married when I was 30, coming up on 9 years (started dating at 21, been together, gosh… 18 years?). I see my dad in him more and more.
I've often said that government shouldn't have the right to say who can or can't be married. Instead, marriage should be a social thing. Instead, government should have legal contracts that outline rights and responsibilities between two parties, regardless of what their social relationships are.
Load More Replies...Why grow a tomato? I could find much cheaper in the market. And might turn out to be the type I don't like. Or pests might steal the fruit of my labor. And at the end of season need to find a place to dispose the dead plant . Just negatives, and yet here I am hoping to grow a tomato
My parents marriage did make my brother and me feel that we wanted some of that. Most of the reasons for not getting married sounded like someone wanted to leave the door open for themselves. I didn't want to do that, and neither did my husband.
In NZ, if you live together for 3 years and split, you're in the same boat financially as if you were married. You gotta share. So getting married really is no different that co-habitating long term. It's just a party and a declaration in front of your friends and family (and each other) that you want to be in this long term. Which is nice, but not necessary.
It's interesting that the fear is financial and the focus is on half of marriages failing rather than half succeeding. If I offered you a million dollar lottery ticket with a 50% chance of winning, you'd take it. Do these men only view their partners as financial risks rather than people whose commitment to them provides health and mental health benefits and may like the security of being able to see their partners in the hospital in the event of emergency.
My wife and I are about to celebrate 25 years. Took us 10 years how to navigate a fight not worth fighting and realize you just need to stay quiet as they are just venting at you. Then there are some who manage beyond the 10 years and shouldn't have, just doubling down on pride. One point that gets attention, "you need to communicate", that advice is a cop out. Communication isn't just verbal, its physical, biological and emotional, most do not have that in their tool box. We learned the hard way. Another one, "you have to have trust", we do, we share our main email address, facebook account, etc. Plus have full access to each other phones (helps when one phone starts having a major problem). We still have fun, some people mark their anniversaries going to a chain restaurant, not us. And we take at least two weeks of vacation a year, supplemented with the occasional weekend getaway. Seen many so invested into their career, they think taking a week off is a chore.
