People Are Applauding This Dad For Not Letting Andrew Tate Nonsense Get Into His Son’s Head
Taking care of one’s home is not a “his” or “hers” responsibility; unless, of course, that’s the mutually agreed-upon arrangement in the household.
When there isn’t an arrangement, it shouldn’t be assumed that the females will take care of everything. Yet this redditor’s son believed that that should be the case, as he believed that chores are a woman’s responsibility and that “only simps do simple household chores”. After hearing that, his father decided to teach the young man a lesson, teaming up with his ex-wife to do it.
Scroll down to find the full story below, where you will also find Bored Panda’s interview with a clinical psychologist, author, wellness coach, and mental health advocate, Dr. Monica Vermani, who was kind enough to share her insight on the importance of fair division of chores.
Ideally, chores shouldn’t fall on the shoulders of one household member only
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This netizen’s 16yo son believed that “chores are a woman’s job” and that “only failed men do stuff like this”
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In many households, there is still inequality when it comes to the division of chores
If you live in a home, you should take care of said home. In a perfect world, chores should be as simple as that, and everyone should be happy to do them. Unfortunately, we don’t live in a perfect world, and chores are a pain in the neck, yet we still have to do them.
In many households, most of the chores—or the responsibilities regarding them—fall on the shoulders of one unfortunate individual, oftentimes the woman in the family. If she’s not doing them herself, she might be responsible for assigning tasks to family members or pointing out what needs to be done to kids who made the mistake of complaining of “having nothing to do” to their parents. (Many of us likely know just how quickly moms and dads can give you something “fun” to do.)
Discussing such responsibilities and the importance of division of chores, clinical psychologist and mental health advocate Dr. Monica Vermani noted that today, even as many families rely on two incomes, women still carry an unfair burden of hands-on family and household chores.
“They also carry the significant weight of what is known as the mental load (also known as invisible load or cognitive load) of planning, overseeing, anticipating, and managing the physical, logistical, and emotional needs and plans for the household and everyone in it. Often, as parents age, this unfair physical and mental load expands to include eldercare,” the expert told Bored Panda.
“The results of this unfair burden can be devastating to intimate partner relationships. The partner doing an unfair share of the hands-on word and mental load feels disrespected, taken advantage of, tired, stressed, and unappreciated. [In the setting of a romantic relationship,] the resulting resentment leads to decreased levels of intimacy, a lack of connection, and the dissolution of the partnership or the marriage.”
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Many young adults don’t feel ready to tackle such tasks as cleaning after leaving home
Dr. Vermani continued to point out that a healthy relationship is one where both individuals are valued and feel safe and respected. It’s safe to assume that, unless taught a lesson (which his parents set out to do), the young man might hold on to his views regarding chores even later in life, which might negatively affect the relationships he might form in the future.
Such predispositions regarding chores can definitely have a negative effect on his life and his ability to take care of himself in the chapters succeeding his teenage years. In the comments under the post, netizens pointed out that unless taught how to do chores, the young man would not be able to take care of himself at the university, for instance.
The OP shared that his son’s inability to handle himself at university was also in the back of his mind when he decided to try to change his child’s views regarding chores. And he’s not the only parent worried about their kid not being able to look after themselves after having left home.
According to a survey released by the American Cleaning Institute (ACI), close to three-in-four college parents (74%) believe that their children are “not completely prepared to clean on their own”. The youngsters themselves seemingly think so, too, as roughly as many (72%, as of 2022) admitted feeling less than completely prepared to tackle the responsibility of cleaning on their own.
Such data emphasizes just how important it is to teach children to take care of—and clean up after—themselves, which ought to come in handy in the future, be it in relationships or surviving uni. Fellow netizens applauded the dad’s determination to teach his son a lesson, even if later rather than sooner; however, some believed that the way he did, it wasn’t the best, as he relayed most of the responsibility on the woman, circling back to the initial issue of women bearing the larger share of the load.
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Netizens applauded the way the parents teamed up on teaching the young man a lesson
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You gotta squash that andrew tate sht hard. Not only learning stuff like chores, but basic respect for 50% of the population and history seems to be in order.
Exactly, the parents did a great job weeding out the alpha macho bull$hit before it, hopefully, rooted inside him permanently. Signed, a "simp" who voluntarily learned to cook so his mother has less work to do.
Load More Replies...Little guy has some very important things to learn if he wont end up loneley and aggressive like all the other incels
Chores are a good first step but this b******t comes from social media and that needs to be addressed. He needs to be without a phone asap and with absolutely no unsupervised internet access but also be given an alternative to it in the form of real interactions with sane people. Let him pick from a range of suitable extra curriculars / volunteer work (pre-vibe checked by you) with social media time earned back via (for instance, through appropriate reading tasks, like biographies of interesting women).
Unfortunately, I don't think it's that easy to remove the phone/internet when dealing with an older kid. He's 16, & he's going to find a way to engage with the internet. Plus, his real world friends may be consuming this same sexist b******t. Somehow, the parents need to work with him, & hopefully his therapist, to put this hateful rhetoric in some kind of context. I'm not sure how to do that though - it's a complicated situation.
Load More Replies...Andrew Tate can go f**k himself—-and he’s going to be the only one who will. Now that I have vented about that, I just want to say that I never understood why parents of boys didn’t always teach them basic housekeeping and cooking skills. It’s just plain old common sense. They’re going to live on their own for a portion of their adult lives, either before, between, or after being married. Since the seventies (and before, of course, but two income families became more commonly accepted in the seventies), women simply expect to work after getting married. The extra income is necessary to make ends meet, ffs. So a wife isn’t going to be home all day, with that extra 40 +/- hours per week to do the lion’s share of housework and childcare. Therefore, her husband has to share those duties, which necessitates knowing how to do them. Otherwise, she ends up with an additional helpless child to take care of—-one who’s old enough to do it himself, ffs. So yes, teach ALL your kids how to cook, clean, do laundry, grocery shop, budget and pay bills, and do basic maintenance around the house and yard, as well as simple maintenance and repairs on the car. When I say all your kids need to learn all those skills, I mean ALL your kids, boys and girls. How else do you think they’ll become truly self-sufficient adults, and not whiny, helpless burdens on everyone else, or end up being cheated and robbed blind by repair people and cleaners, as well as bankrupted by living on takeout?
It interesting that the OP father - who owns up to his shortcomings and does coparent and communicate well with his ex - chooses a punishment he feels that fits the altercation. Yet he is slammed for ducking his responsibility as a parent by all the YTA commenter's who judge from outside the actual situation. Did I miss his explanation where OP states that "(I) ....might have acted in haste, but I wanted my son to see the chores done by a woman are the same ones I do in my home." His ex agreed with him.
I do think it can't have been much of a 'home' with 2 parents who openly hated each other until they split and went NC with both sets of grandparents as well. What sort of life did the kid have psychologically? Poor sod has been in counselling for years. This really isn't normal anyway. I hope that the kid can be rescued from his dark path but his Dad at least needs to sharpen up his parenting, IMO.
Load More Replies...The only thing Andrew Prostate teaches is how to be an abusive rapist and a loser in life.
I never believe there were "friends" saying he's the AH for teaching his son a valuable lesson. In most of the posts like this it's very obvious the person is not the AH and just wants attention.
Not giving your kids chores when they're young is a failure on many parents, not just OP + his ex. 4 + 5-yr-olds can help set the table, pull the covers up on their beds, put their toys away, put their clothes in the laundry basket, etc.
Def NTA perfect parenting I 60f have two kids 23-20 the youngest is a lad and like his sister growing up I thought them both how to cook from an early age how to clean how to decorate lay floors hung wall paper do flat pack n the like lol how to iron how to wash the works I grew up with my grandparents from 8 mths old I was taught to cook and could n had to make meals from age 12 n run the house as my grandmother had stage 4 cancer n my grandfather was hmm less said about that the better ! But as she’s taught me how to do all this it was easy so when I had my son I vowed to make sure he was also able to do this plus more there is nothing he can’t turn his hand to now literally I even taught him how to strip a car engine down lol he’s rebuilt his first car and his respect for females is top notch so op you did a bloody good thing and both you and your ex are dam good parents blessed be
I‘m fine with the arrangement in itself, but I think if the son truly showed remorse, apologised and asked to come back, he should have been given another chance. OP didn’t mention anything about his son usually being a troublemaker, so making him stay for another several weeks when he already saw reason seems counterproductive to me.
Nah, he was only apologizing because he realized that his dad was serious, and now he's only calling to try to get out of the situation. He didn't magically change his opinions over a week, and if he truly did, he'd stick it out, or call and have a proper conversation. Not just saying that he gets it. My guess is that his dad is the nicer/less strict parent and that's why he wants to go back and not have to face any consequences.
Load More Replies...Every time I hear that chores are for women, I wonder if that man has ever had to spend just 2 weeks alone? Do they live in squalor? Are they living on toast? Are they throwing out their clothes after wearing them? Buying new bedding on a weekly basis? Are they eating off paper plates so they don't have to wash them? Seriously. Like what's going on? Because let me tell you, it's not my rich friends that I'm hearing this b******t from. It's people who can't afford 3 takeouts a day and a maid to go with it.
I've never understood why men take advice about women from other men who know nothing about women either
Retired firefighter, also was a ski patroller/instructor, paratrooper & logger amongst other things through life. I just finished the dishes and will shortly be folding clothes from the dryer. Taught my son housework so he could look after himself and not be a useless whinny "alpha" twat.
Nip that s**t in the bud right now. Cooking and cleaning are life skills, not women's work.
So he can't control his emotions and kicks the kid out. Tells him to go live with a woman (So now just dumping the hard work on a woman? Which only reinforces the faulty thinking. Are you telling him if he doesn't do chores he should find a woman who will let him walk all over her?) what he SHOULD have done was kept his cool, called the mom, sit down with the kid and decide he's doing all his own laundry and cleaning now and what privileges he doesn't get (computer, phone) if he's not learning to do his own chores. Also, he never talked to this kid about where he's picking up these ideas? Sounds like Dad just taught his son to cut them off and hold a grudge when some one doesn't do what he wants.
Kids should be doing chores much younger than 16. They should at least be helping with washing up and vacuuming before 10 years old.
I wish I'd learned to look after myself better before I left home. My mother did everything for us, apart from preparing us to leave. I left home at 28, fortunately to flat share with a female friend who taught me a few things (domestically). BTW There was a "bad spell of whether" in the original post :)
My SIL did that. Now the kids wont load the dishwasher. There is a balance of " kids should be kids" and " you owe us so you have to clean every day and mind the younger kids".
Load More Replies...You did the right thing. Either the kid is being a smartarse, and/or he's got that opinion/attitude from someone else. Anyway it will do him good. Being able to look after yourself is so important. What if he attends college/university some distance from home? No one is going to look after him then.
Typically I would say it's kinda harsh, but he is with one of his parents, and this c**p will ruin his life and chances of being anywhere near a decent person in the future unless it gets stomped out early. So way to go
My oldest son called me at work 1 day when he was 12 and asked me how to wash his clothes. He did his own laundry after that unless he was sick. He and his brother washed dishes, took the trash out, dusted, vacuumed and mopped if something was spilled. I did the regular mopping until they were older. My other son, I showed him how to use the washer and dryer when he was 12 and he did laundry from them on. The 3 of us also took turns mowing the yard.
I agree, but I'm not sure if you can call it kicking out when he's with his mom. It's not like they left him with some random relative or on the street. He's still with one of his parents.
Load More Replies...He is a teenager. You are the parent. Be patient, ask why he has those ideas, and teach him what is right. Ask him wich chores he likes to do, encourage him to do those chores. Maybe he likes cooking, or walking the dog. When he does the chores he likes, you can add a couple other "less funn" chores. To have the best results you have to be patient and understanding. You are the adult, he is a boy searching his way in life, you are the guide.
I usally think tge yta are nuts but some had a good point. He did offload the role of correcting the kid to the mom. Like only mom could teach him household chores.
That is not what happened tho... He did teach him and when the teen got disrespectful the mom DID the same thing! He is disrespecting women in general and his father. SO the best way to make him not do that is by well getting a woman to show him exactly how wrong that is... There was no offloading here... Both parents participated.
Load More Replies...This was a valuable lesson, desperately needed, and taught entirely correctly. No rage, no anger, just simple straightfoward consequences and discipline. I have hope; this kind of thing is learned behavior, and anything that's learned can be unlearned.
NTA NTA NTA - he could probably make a career out of teaching this! His future wife/partner will thank you for this someday! My kids however have a different view on chores. I used to do all the laundry, cleaning etc because I was HOME to do it. My husband was a teacher and coach and was not home. Tables were turned however when a health issue hit. I couldn't go up and down the stairs. That left laundry out - so my husband took over years ago. He still does it even tho I Can now use the stairs. My husband is also the cook. I cook sometimes (not often tho) - he likes to do it - I hate it. So we had to teach our girls that some guys don't know how. They had the opposite life view. LOL
Better late than never. Kid's got a leg up now amongst his peers--women love a man who can cook and share chores. Or, at least, I do. :D
He sent him to his mother so the other could teach him the lesson he failed to teach and would have been both logical genderwise, timewise and geografpical sence to teach himself.. teaching him that men do chores by letting mother do his chores, because he dosnt like being called a simp. I hope kid learns the real lesson here, girls, boys and men are simps, but real women gets the s**t done!!!
I wish I was surprised ar all the YTAs that blame the parents without credit. They were obviously not ready to be parents and pushed into a situation they didn't belong in. It's hard to model a loving relationship when you aren't in one and it's hard to model good parenting when you didn't have it. People are going to f**k up as parents - no matter what, there will be issues. The point is: what are they going to do about it? It seems to me, they are showing their son the consequences of his behavior and that there are things that will not be tolerated.
You can always tell the fake stories. They write a fu*king novel with their entire back story. People on this site are so gullible.
So you think that they should just let him act like that?
Load More Replies...You gotta squash that andrew tate sht hard. Not only learning stuff like chores, but basic respect for 50% of the population and history seems to be in order.
Exactly, the parents did a great job weeding out the alpha macho bull$hit before it, hopefully, rooted inside him permanently. Signed, a "simp" who voluntarily learned to cook so his mother has less work to do.
Load More Replies...Little guy has some very important things to learn if he wont end up loneley and aggressive like all the other incels
Chores are a good first step but this b******t comes from social media and that needs to be addressed. He needs to be without a phone asap and with absolutely no unsupervised internet access but also be given an alternative to it in the form of real interactions with sane people. Let him pick from a range of suitable extra curriculars / volunteer work (pre-vibe checked by you) with social media time earned back via (for instance, through appropriate reading tasks, like biographies of interesting women).
Unfortunately, I don't think it's that easy to remove the phone/internet when dealing with an older kid. He's 16, & he's going to find a way to engage with the internet. Plus, his real world friends may be consuming this same sexist b******t. Somehow, the parents need to work with him, & hopefully his therapist, to put this hateful rhetoric in some kind of context. I'm not sure how to do that though - it's a complicated situation.
Load More Replies...Andrew Tate can go f**k himself—-and he’s going to be the only one who will. Now that I have vented about that, I just want to say that I never understood why parents of boys didn’t always teach them basic housekeeping and cooking skills. It’s just plain old common sense. They’re going to live on their own for a portion of their adult lives, either before, between, or after being married. Since the seventies (and before, of course, but two income families became more commonly accepted in the seventies), women simply expect to work after getting married. The extra income is necessary to make ends meet, ffs. So a wife isn’t going to be home all day, with that extra 40 +/- hours per week to do the lion’s share of housework and childcare. Therefore, her husband has to share those duties, which necessitates knowing how to do them. Otherwise, she ends up with an additional helpless child to take care of—-one who’s old enough to do it himself, ffs. So yes, teach ALL your kids how to cook, clean, do laundry, grocery shop, budget and pay bills, and do basic maintenance around the house and yard, as well as simple maintenance and repairs on the car. When I say all your kids need to learn all those skills, I mean ALL your kids, boys and girls. How else do you think they’ll become truly self-sufficient adults, and not whiny, helpless burdens on everyone else, or end up being cheated and robbed blind by repair people and cleaners, as well as bankrupted by living on takeout?
It interesting that the OP father - who owns up to his shortcomings and does coparent and communicate well with his ex - chooses a punishment he feels that fits the altercation. Yet he is slammed for ducking his responsibility as a parent by all the YTA commenter's who judge from outside the actual situation. Did I miss his explanation where OP states that "(I) ....might have acted in haste, but I wanted my son to see the chores done by a woman are the same ones I do in my home." His ex agreed with him.
I do think it can't have been much of a 'home' with 2 parents who openly hated each other until they split and went NC with both sets of grandparents as well. What sort of life did the kid have psychologically? Poor sod has been in counselling for years. This really isn't normal anyway. I hope that the kid can be rescued from his dark path but his Dad at least needs to sharpen up his parenting, IMO.
Load More Replies...The only thing Andrew Prostate teaches is how to be an abusive rapist and a loser in life.
I never believe there were "friends" saying he's the AH for teaching his son a valuable lesson. In most of the posts like this it's very obvious the person is not the AH and just wants attention.
Not giving your kids chores when they're young is a failure on many parents, not just OP + his ex. 4 + 5-yr-olds can help set the table, pull the covers up on their beds, put their toys away, put their clothes in the laundry basket, etc.
Def NTA perfect parenting I 60f have two kids 23-20 the youngest is a lad and like his sister growing up I thought them both how to cook from an early age how to clean how to decorate lay floors hung wall paper do flat pack n the like lol how to iron how to wash the works I grew up with my grandparents from 8 mths old I was taught to cook and could n had to make meals from age 12 n run the house as my grandmother had stage 4 cancer n my grandfather was hmm less said about that the better ! But as she’s taught me how to do all this it was easy so when I had my son I vowed to make sure he was also able to do this plus more there is nothing he can’t turn his hand to now literally I even taught him how to strip a car engine down lol he’s rebuilt his first car and his respect for females is top notch so op you did a bloody good thing and both you and your ex are dam good parents blessed be
I‘m fine with the arrangement in itself, but I think if the son truly showed remorse, apologised and asked to come back, he should have been given another chance. OP didn’t mention anything about his son usually being a troublemaker, so making him stay for another several weeks when he already saw reason seems counterproductive to me.
Nah, he was only apologizing because he realized that his dad was serious, and now he's only calling to try to get out of the situation. He didn't magically change his opinions over a week, and if he truly did, he'd stick it out, or call and have a proper conversation. Not just saying that he gets it. My guess is that his dad is the nicer/less strict parent and that's why he wants to go back and not have to face any consequences.
Load More Replies...Every time I hear that chores are for women, I wonder if that man has ever had to spend just 2 weeks alone? Do they live in squalor? Are they living on toast? Are they throwing out their clothes after wearing them? Buying new bedding on a weekly basis? Are they eating off paper plates so they don't have to wash them? Seriously. Like what's going on? Because let me tell you, it's not my rich friends that I'm hearing this b******t from. It's people who can't afford 3 takeouts a day and a maid to go with it.
I've never understood why men take advice about women from other men who know nothing about women either
Retired firefighter, also was a ski patroller/instructor, paratrooper & logger amongst other things through life. I just finished the dishes and will shortly be folding clothes from the dryer. Taught my son housework so he could look after himself and not be a useless whinny "alpha" twat.
Nip that s**t in the bud right now. Cooking and cleaning are life skills, not women's work.
So he can't control his emotions and kicks the kid out. Tells him to go live with a woman (So now just dumping the hard work on a woman? Which only reinforces the faulty thinking. Are you telling him if he doesn't do chores he should find a woman who will let him walk all over her?) what he SHOULD have done was kept his cool, called the mom, sit down with the kid and decide he's doing all his own laundry and cleaning now and what privileges he doesn't get (computer, phone) if he's not learning to do his own chores. Also, he never talked to this kid about where he's picking up these ideas? Sounds like Dad just taught his son to cut them off and hold a grudge when some one doesn't do what he wants.
Kids should be doing chores much younger than 16. They should at least be helping with washing up and vacuuming before 10 years old.
I wish I'd learned to look after myself better before I left home. My mother did everything for us, apart from preparing us to leave. I left home at 28, fortunately to flat share with a female friend who taught me a few things (domestically). BTW There was a "bad spell of whether" in the original post :)
My SIL did that. Now the kids wont load the dishwasher. There is a balance of " kids should be kids" and " you owe us so you have to clean every day and mind the younger kids".
Load More Replies...You did the right thing. Either the kid is being a smartarse, and/or he's got that opinion/attitude from someone else. Anyway it will do him good. Being able to look after yourself is so important. What if he attends college/university some distance from home? No one is going to look after him then.
Typically I would say it's kinda harsh, but he is with one of his parents, and this c**p will ruin his life and chances of being anywhere near a decent person in the future unless it gets stomped out early. So way to go
My oldest son called me at work 1 day when he was 12 and asked me how to wash his clothes. He did his own laundry after that unless he was sick. He and his brother washed dishes, took the trash out, dusted, vacuumed and mopped if something was spilled. I did the regular mopping until they were older. My other son, I showed him how to use the washer and dryer when he was 12 and he did laundry from them on. The 3 of us also took turns mowing the yard.
I agree, but I'm not sure if you can call it kicking out when he's with his mom. It's not like they left him with some random relative or on the street. He's still with one of his parents.
Load More Replies...He is a teenager. You are the parent. Be patient, ask why he has those ideas, and teach him what is right. Ask him wich chores he likes to do, encourage him to do those chores. Maybe he likes cooking, or walking the dog. When he does the chores he likes, you can add a couple other "less funn" chores. To have the best results you have to be patient and understanding. You are the adult, he is a boy searching his way in life, you are the guide.
I usally think tge yta are nuts but some had a good point. He did offload the role of correcting the kid to the mom. Like only mom could teach him household chores.
That is not what happened tho... He did teach him and when the teen got disrespectful the mom DID the same thing! He is disrespecting women in general and his father. SO the best way to make him not do that is by well getting a woman to show him exactly how wrong that is... There was no offloading here... Both parents participated.
Load More Replies...This was a valuable lesson, desperately needed, and taught entirely correctly. No rage, no anger, just simple straightfoward consequences and discipline. I have hope; this kind of thing is learned behavior, and anything that's learned can be unlearned.
NTA NTA NTA - he could probably make a career out of teaching this! His future wife/partner will thank you for this someday! My kids however have a different view on chores. I used to do all the laundry, cleaning etc because I was HOME to do it. My husband was a teacher and coach and was not home. Tables were turned however when a health issue hit. I couldn't go up and down the stairs. That left laundry out - so my husband took over years ago. He still does it even tho I Can now use the stairs. My husband is also the cook. I cook sometimes (not often tho) - he likes to do it - I hate it. So we had to teach our girls that some guys don't know how. They had the opposite life view. LOL
Better late than never. Kid's got a leg up now amongst his peers--women love a man who can cook and share chores. Or, at least, I do. :D
He sent him to his mother so the other could teach him the lesson he failed to teach and would have been both logical genderwise, timewise and geografpical sence to teach himself.. teaching him that men do chores by letting mother do his chores, because he dosnt like being called a simp. I hope kid learns the real lesson here, girls, boys and men are simps, but real women gets the s**t done!!!
I wish I was surprised ar all the YTAs that blame the parents without credit. They were obviously not ready to be parents and pushed into a situation they didn't belong in. It's hard to model a loving relationship when you aren't in one and it's hard to model good parenting when you didn't have it. People are going to f**k up as parents - no matter what, there will be issues. The point is: what are they going to do about it? It seems to me, they are showing their son the consequences of his behavior and that there are things that will not be tolerated.
You can always tell the fake stories. They write a fu*king novel with their entire back story. People on this site are so gullible.
So you think that they should just let him act like that?
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