Woman Confronts A Creepy Guy Taking Photos Of Her And Her Friend At The Pool, Divides The Internet
Recently, TikToker Mai Pham (or @maiphammy) and her friend confronted a man who was taking pictures of them while they were chilling by a pool.
4 days ago, Pham shared footage of the experience online to remind everyone to stay vigilant about creeps.
“Excuse me,” one of the women says. “I’d really appreciate it if you deleted the photos of us off your phone.”
However, the man was really clinging on to his amateur paparazzi shots. He initially tried to avoid the conflict by showing the women his favorites album instead of his actual cameral roll. But they immediately called him out.
4 days ago, Mai Pham shared a TikTok where she and her friend confronted a man taking pics of them at the pool
The video already has over 6 million views
Even once the man seemed to have given up the charade, he tried to wave the women off, promising he would delete the photos. His hands were visibly shaking as he asked them to stop hovering over his head. It was “intimidating,” he complained.
Of course, approaching someone who is being a creep, even in a public space, can be really unpleasant and even scary, so many people who watched the video applauded Mai and her friend for their bravery.
But some claimed that the man was well within his rights to take pictures since they were in a public place, and that Mai and her friend are guilty of doing the “same thing” since they recorded him without his approval too.
@maiphammystay safe out there ladies. decided to confront a creep taking pics of us when we were just trying to hang by the pool. HE TRIED DENYING IT.♬ original sound – maiphammy
But some people pointed out that since it’s a public place, the man didn’t commit any crimes
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Others, however, stood by the women, saying it’s still not ok
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Everybody who says "The law doesn't forbid it, so it's okay." still has a lot to learn in life. About decency. About respect. About freedom.
In Europe with GDPR it would not even be ok even by law. Technically, if you take pictures in which people can be identified you need to ask them for consent...even if that would be 50 people hanging around in a public place.
Load More Replies...GDPR is a regulation for companies not citizens. Besides you are allowed to photograph who and what you want in a public place. What you do with the pictures afterwards is a different story.
@Rod: This is not true. Please read the GDPR, and in particular Article 4 (Definitions), and especially definitions 7 through 10 ('controller', 'processor', 'recipient' and 'third party'). These definitions explicitly include natural persons, and not only legal bodies. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj/eng#d1e1489-1-1
Not an expert, but I think Rod is right, article 2 states the one exemption to the gdpr regulations is if it is purely for personal use. As long as the photo was purely personal and never available in a public or shared space, I don't think it would apply?
So, what if you're in public taking a picture of a friend or something and people are in the background. I'd guess that that clause would be intended to cover situations like that, and also that there's no real legal argument for the same situation in which a friend or someone wasn't in the scene but rather that you're capturing the scene for personal use. Both the same in the end. The real danger is that your soul will be taken. OOOooh! Get a grip, man.
So what if i go to a nude beach or naturists resort and start filming people for "my own personal use"? Is it ok and legal then?
For everyone saying it's not illegal that does not mean there aren't consequences. And to shrug and say women do it too so that makes it ok that he did it to these women is deflection. Would you be ok if this was kids? Bc kids take pictures of adults? We're told from birth to protect ourselves and as soon as we do we're told we're wrong. He could use facial recognition or tag the pool location to find out who these women were and where they live. Are we supposed to wait until we're actively assaulted before we even think about protecting ourselves?? No one should be doing this to be creepy. He wasn't videoing to protect anyone he was doing it for his own sexual pleasure that is a violation of personal safety
Right! It's not illegal but they aren't calling the cops they are calling him out on his creepy behavior and that's not illegal either. It's also not illegal to act like an asshole but if you do there are gonna be social consequences so if you're creeping on two girls at the pool you might end up being called out on video by those girls, he's just getting a taste of his own medicine.
But it's totally ok for the women to take pics of the man, eh? And post them on the internet? Yep, sounds about right.
How is that the same? If he were just sitting there not taking bikini photos of strangers then I can see your point but if it's legal for him to take those photos what other recourse do those girls have but to give him a taste of his own medicine...maybe now he knows how it feels to be recorded when you don't want to be.
Look, I absolutely agree the guy is a creep and should be banned from the pool, maybe even charged with harassment. But the seeming blindness to the hypocrisy is what's amazing me. You don't like what someone is doing, so you do it to them? What is this, old testament eye-for-an-eye stuff? I thought we were WAY past that.
John the women gave him his consequence for a bad creepy unsafe action. He could use facial recognition or tag the pool and find out who those women were and where they live. This was a women's safety issue. They didn't sneakily take his picture for sexual gratification he did. They were not safe women are told to protect themselves that's what they did. If it had been them doing that to him he would have every right to confront them but it wasn't so how is it relevant
There is a law against taking photos of someone without consent.
So, what if you're in public taking a picture of a friend or something and people are in the background. I'd guess that that clause would be intended to cover situations like that, and also that there's no real legal argument for the same situation in which a friend or someone wasn't in the scene but rather that you're capturing the scene for personal use. Both the same in the end. The real danger is that your soul will be taken. OOOooh! Get a grip, man.
All these people saying "Well it's not illegal!" is why we can't have nice things.
You want a good journalistic source for this? Journeyman Pictures. They've had the best reputation for excellent reporting, journalism with integrity and tackling hard issues for decades in Australia. Their documentaries, often featuring Australias best journos, have been shown regularly on some of our most respected news programmes. And Australian journalism has long been respected as being about the best in the world. They have a series on their Youtube channel called Perspectives on the Pandemic. It's about 15 episodes, released over more than a year. I recommend watching any and all to get a proper perspective, but I'll point directly to the interview with Dr Sucharit Bhakdi: "Bhakdi's parents are Thai diplomats." "Bhakdi studied at the Universities of Bonn, Gießen, Mainz and Copenhagen, and at the Max Planck Institute of Immunobiology and Epigenetics in Freiburg." (Wikipedia). He's been criticised for his stance, but he's certainly not alone and together these possess quite a lot of creditibility. Take a look at his Wikipedia if you like, but note that where the criticisms are noted there is little given in support for those criticisms. Even for just the simple fact that you get the mainstream collective telling you "scientific consensus" while there are so many heavy weights saying "no" (and also saying the obvious that everyone is naive to, that "there is no such thing as scientific consensus - that's not how science works - it doesn't give answers - it doesn't establish mandates - it only gives information and only when it considers everything") should tell you enough as to why they need to be heard. They are also not giving bare minimum information: they will walk you through every bit of it. The opposite of what you're getting from the mainstream and even your government. There is no doubt what the right thing to do is. Other notable, high performance names to introduce yourself to the crowd with are Pierre Kory and Robert Malone. But the list is loooong. Science can NEVER tell us what to do. It can only tell us what our options are, and right now we're not being allowed to know them. Anytime you hear anyone, ever, ever again, in any context, claim "scientific census" you can be certain that they are obfuscating or simply have no credibility. It is the most unscientific idea ever propagandised.
No. "Well, legally I'm obliged" can just as often be the problem. Another problem is people conflating advice with obligations - the dogooder who does what they're told (but aren't required to) by people who can't possibly know the outcome or the danger, being a current situation that comes to mind. Especially that the current situation has a whole other argument being made largely by highly credentialed people, many of whom have been involved in making the original recommendations and authoring the treatments, but who are now being silenced and cancelled essentially because governments have already committed billions to programmes that were started a year ago when we knew less than nothing, and relative insights are only now recently being published. They don't want to be seen left standing there with a bag full of billions of dollars worth of dangerous product that they rushed through - it's a bit embarrassing for them. One example is Australia - Resists helping other countries with vaccine aide. Focused heavy investment in Astra Zeneca. People start learning what the policy makers have been reassuring can't and won't happen. Damage control. No longer giving it to the young. Only giving it to the elderly, because mathematically higher chance of dying anyway, easy excuse to obfuscate the actual risk to them - let them die to cover our arses. Reassurance, reassurance, reassurance. Now not hearing full, honest risk of others. Government still needs to look like the good guy. Vaccine aide given to poor countries: 20 million doses of Astra Zeneca. "We invested x amount of dollars helping poorer countries through the pandemic." Still minimal information. "Just do this, don't ask questions." Meanwhile, all the people with the best credentials are screaming from the rooftops, but they just get drowned out by those needing to look good for the next election: and everyone in both houses were involved in making those decisions. They're covering their arses. The policy makers are invested, also. Fauci is even financially invested, but they all have reputations and future investors and grants to consider. The highly credentialed people have no less to lose, but they are not backing down. Their concern is your health, safety, wellbeing and longevity. Their concern is what is right. These others have committed too heavily and covered up too much to let it come to light now. So even those who are truly naive to what even you and I can access - and that's not very believable - still have an interest in obstructing proper scientific process. But, the governments and policy makers, though - guilty as sin. All covering their arses. There are alternative treatments that are cheap and safe and effective, and the risk of the current course of action is being obfuscated. So, "I listen to the authority" and even "well, by law I'm obliged" is as wrong as wrong can be. The spike protein IS the reason why the vaccines might kill you. And the risk increases with every injection, as the illness is the body's exaggerated response (like an injected auto-immune disease). It is getting into the bloodstream (it shouldn't, intended to stay at injection site), so it gets everywhere it shouldn't - heart, brain - causes an exaggerated inflammatory resoponse - cells produce spike, spike protudes, cell dumps garbage, immune cell recognises garbage, attacks cell, but happening too aggressively, causing damage to epithelial tissue (e.g. veins, arteries) and resulting in internal bleeding (e.g. brain bleeds, aneurysm) or inflammaiton of heart and cardiac arrest. And with each shot the response seems to be getting larger - as expected, as a vaccine would hopefully work. And, they expect you to get it yearly now. They know all this. This is now about money and votes and reputation, and, because they do know this, felony indictment. What they highly credentialled people, advisors to WHO, CDC, etc., all virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists and so forth, is: we have good data but on several candidates but are being rejected because of no clinical trials, and clinical trials aren't happening. Let's investigate these candidates. They are: Ivermectin (used as a prophylactic to prevent diseases like river disease); hydroxychlorquine (I don't know too much about this one, but this is their pick); and fluvoxamine (an SSRI - small enough to cross blood/brain barrier, so covering that base). These aren't idiots. They're the highest credentialled people in the field, with excellent reputations, but laymen are calling them foilhats because the news, government, FB, Twitter, YT, Google, et all are manipulating them for mostly political reasons. It's for the reputation of politicians, the reputations of the authority bodies, the reputation of the policy makers, the reputation of the manufacturers, and the reputation of vaccines themselves that their willing to needlessly risk so many lives. Do what you do. Just don't say nobody warned you.
She is recording a video of him... while saying "it is inappropriate to take a picture/video of me". Not only that, but she violates his privacy even further by posting the video online. I appreciate that what he was doing is creepy, but I have a problem of the hypocrisy and the self righteous attitude of people who think "it is wrong when you do it, but ok when I do the exact same thing... just because my motivation is vengeance rather than yours of being a perv"
Is it hypocrisy or is it giving him a taste of his own medicine? They didn't go out and just start recording him for no reason. As you stated what he is doing isn't illegal but it's rude and there are consequences for being rude.
Load More Replies...So if you catch your kid hitting someone, do you whack your kid across the head and yell "don't hit people"? -- If she wanted to go for the "taste of your own medicine" strategy, then she should just obviously record him with your phone and don't stop until he gets uncomfortable and leaves. But I have a problem with telling someone "don't do that thing that I'm doing right now".
Everybody who says "The law doesn't forbid it, so it's okay." still has a lot to learn in life. About decency. About respect. About freedom.
In Europe with GDPR it would not even be ok even by law. Technically, if you take pictures in which people can be identified you need to ask them for consent...even if that would be 50 people hanging around in a public place.
Load More Replies...GDPR is a regulation for companies not citizens. Besides you are allowed to photograph who and what you want in a public place. What you do with the pictures afterwards is a different story.
@Rod: This is not true. Please read the GDPR, and in particular Article 4 (Definitions), and especially definitions 7 through 10 ('controller', 'processor', 'recipient' and 'third party'). These definitions explicitly include natural persons, and not only legal bodies. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj/eng#d1e1489-1-1
Not an expert, but I think Rod is right, article 2 states the one exemption to the gdpr regulations is if it is purely for personal use. As long as the photo was purely personal and never available in a public or shared space, I don't think it would apply?
So, what if you're in public taking a picture of a friend or something and people are in the background. I'd guess that that clause would be intended to cover situations like that, and also that there's no real legal argument for the same situation in which a friend or someone wasn't in the scene but rather that you're capturing the scene for personal use. Both the same in the end. The real danger is that your soul will be taken. OOOooh! Get a grip, man.
So what if i go to a nude beach or naturists resort and start filming people for "my own personal use"? Is it ok and legal then?
For everyone saying it's not illegal that does not mean there aren't consequences. And to shrug and say women do it too so that makes it ok that he did it to these women is deflection. Would you be ok if this was kids? Bc kids take pictures of adults? We're told from birth to protect ourselves and as soon as we do we're told we're wrong. He could use facial recognition or tag the pool location to find out who these women were and where they live. Are we supposed to wait until we're actively assaulted before we even think about protecting ourselves?? No one should be doing this to be creepy. He wasn't videoing to protect anyone he was doing it for his own sexual pleasure that is a violation of personal safety
Right! It's not illegal but they aren't calling the cops they are calling him out on his creepy behavior and that's not illegal either. It's also not illegal to act like an asshole but if you do there are gonna be social consequences so if you're creeping on two girls at the pool you might end up being called out on video by those girls, he's just getting a taste of his own medicine.
But it's totally ok for the women to take pics of the man, eh? And post them on the internet? Yep, sounds about right.
How is that the same? If he were just sitting there not taking bikini photos of strangers then I can see your point but if it's legal for him to take those photos what other recourse do those girls have but to give him a taste of his own medicine...maybe now he knows how it feels to be recorded when you don't want to be.
Look, I absolutely agree the guy is a creep and should be banned from the pool, maybe even charged with harassment. But the seeming blindness to the hypocrisy is what's amazing me. You don't like what someone is doing, so you do it to them? What is this, old testament eye-for-an-eye stuff? I thought we were WAY past that.
John the women gave him his consequence for a bad creepy unsafe action. He could use facial recognition or tag the pool and find out who those women were and where they live. This was a women's safety issue. They didn't sneakily take his picture for sexual gratification he did. They were not safe women are told to protect themselves that's what they did. If it had been them doing that to him he would have every right to confront them but it wasn't so how is it relevant
There is a law against taking photos of someone without consent.
So, what if you're in public taking a picture of a friend or something and people are in the background. I'd guess that that clause would be intended to cover situations like that, and also that there's no real legal argument for the same situation in which a friend or someone wasn't in the scene but rather that you're capturing the scene for personal use. Both the same in the end. The real danger is that your soul will be taken. OOOooh! Get a grip, man.
All these people saying "Well it's not illegal!" is why we can't have nice things.
You want a good journalistic source for this? Journeyman Pictures. They've had the best reputation for excellent reporting, journalism with integrity and tackling hard issues for decades in Australia. Their documentaries, often featuring Australias best journos, have been shown regularly on some of our most respected news programmes. And Australian journalism has long been respected as being about the best in the world. They have a series on their Youtube channel called Perspectives on the Pandemic. It's about 15 episodes, released over more than a year. I recommend watching any and all to get a proper perspective, but I'll point directly to the interview with Dr Sucharit Bhakdi: "Bhakdi's parents are Thai diplomats." "Bhakdi studied at the Universities of Bonn, Gießen, Mainz and Copenhagen, and at the Max Planck Institute of Immunobiology and Epigenetics in Freiburg." (Wikipedia). He's been criticised for his stance, but he's certainly not alone and together these possess quite a lot of creditibility. Take a look at his Wikipedia if you like, but note that where the criticisms are noted there is little given in support for those criticisms. Even for just the simple fact that you get the mainstream collective telling you "scientific consensus" while there are so many heavy weights saying "no" (and also saying the obvious that everyone is naive to, that "there is no such thing as scientific consensus - that's not how science works - it doesn't give answers - it doesn't establish mandates - it only gives information and only when it considers everything") should tell you enough as to why they need to be heard. They are also not giving bare minimum information: they will walk you through every bit of it. The opposite of what you're getting from the mainstream and even your government. There is no doubt what the right thing to do is. Other notable, high performance names to introduce yourself to the crowd with are Pierre Kory and Robert Malone. But the list is loooong. Science can NEVER tell us what to do. It can only tell us what our options are, and right now we're not being allowed to know them. Anytime you hear anyone, ever, ever again, in any context, claim "scientific census" you can be certain that they are obfuscating or simply have no credibility. It is the most unscientific idea ever propagandised.
No. "Well, legally I'm obliged" can just as often be the problem. Another problem is people conflating advice with obligations - the dogooder who does what they're told (but aren't required to) by people who can't possibly know the outcome or the danger, being a current situation that comes to mind. Especially that the current situation has a whole other argument being made largely by highly credentialed people, many of whom have been involved in making the original recommendations and authoring the treatments, but who are now being silenced and cancelled essentially because governments have already committed billions to programmes that were started a year ago when we knew less than nothing, and relative insights are only now recently being published. They don't want to be seen left standing there with a bag full of billions of dollars worth of dangerous product that they rushed through - it's a bit embarrassing for them. One example is Australia - Resists helping other countries with vaccine aide. Focused heavy investment in Astra Zeneca. People start learning what the policy makers have been reassuring can't and won't happen. Damage control. No longer giving it to the young. Only giving it to the elderly, because mathematically higher chance of dying anyway, easy excuse to obfuscate the actual risk to them - let them die to cover our arses. Reassurance, reassurance, reassurance. Now not hearing full, honest risk of others. Government still needs to look like the good guy. Vaccine aide given to poor countries: 20 million doses of Astra Zeneca. "We invested x amount of dollars helping poorer countries through the pandemic." Still minimal information. "Just do this, don't ask questions." Meanwhile, all the people with the best credentials are screaming from the rooftops, but they just get drowned out by those needing to look good for the next election: and everyone in both houses were involved in making those decisions. They're covering their arses. The policy makers are invested, also. Fauci is even financially invested, but they all have reputations and future investors and grants to consider. The highly credentialed people have no less to lose, but they are not backing down. Their concern is your health, safety, wellbeing and longevity. Their concern is what is right. These others have committed too heavily and covered up too much to let it come to light now. So even those who are truly naive to what even you and I can access - and that's not very believable - still have an interest in obstructing proper scientific process. But, the governments and policy makers, though - guilty as sin. All covering their arses. There are alternative treatments that are cheap and safe and effective, and the risk of the current course of action is being obfuscated. So, "I listen to the authority" and even "well, by law I'm obliged" is as wrong as wrong can be. The spike protein IS the reason why the vaccines might kill you. And the risk increases with every injection, as the illness is the body's exaggerated response (like an injected auto-immune disease). It is getting into the bloodstream (it shouldn't, intended to stay at injection site), so it gets everywhere it shouldn't - heart, brain - causes an exaggerated inflammatory resoponse - cells produce spike, spike protudes, cell dumps garbage, immune cell recognises garbage, attacks cell, but happening too aggressively, causing damage to epithelial tissue (e.g. veins, arteries) and resulting in internal bleeding (e.g. brain bleeds, aneurysm) or inflammaiton of heart and cardiac arrest. And with each shot the response seems to be getting larger - as expected, as a vaccine would hopefully work. And, they expect you to get it yearly now. They know all this. This is now about money and votes and reputation, and, because they do know this, felony indictment. What they highly credentialled people, advisors to WHO, CDC, etc., all virologists, epidemiologists, microbiologists and so forth, is: we have good data but on several candidates but are being rejected because of no clinical trials, and clinical trials aren't happening. Let's investigate these candidates. They are: Ivermectin (used as a prophylactic to prevent diseases like river disease); hydroxychlorquine (I don't know too much about this one, but this is their pick); and fluvoxamine (an SSRI - small enough to cross blood/brain barrier, so covering that base). These aren't idiots. They're the highest credentialled people in the field, with excellent reputations, but laymen are calling them foilhats because the news, government, FB, Twitter, YT, Google, et all are manipulating them for mostly political reasons. It's for the reputation of politicians, the reputations of the authority bodies, the reputation of the policy makers, the reputation of the manufacturers, and the reputation of vaccines themselves that their willing to needlessly risk so many lives. Do what you do. Just don't say nobody warned you.
She is recording a video of him... while saying "it is inappropriate to take a picture/video of me". Not only that, but she violates his privacy even further by posting the video online. I appreciate that what he was doing is creepy, but I have a problem of the hypocrisy and the self righteous attitude of people who think "it is wrong when you do it, but ok when I do the exact same thing... just because my motivation is vengeance rather than yours of being a perv"
Is it hypocrisy or is it giving him a taste of his own medicine? They didn't go out and just start recording him for no reason. As you stated what he is doing isn't illegal but it's rude and there are consequences for being rude.
Load More Replies...So if you catch your kid hitting someone, do you whack your kid across the head and yell "don't hit people"? -- If she wanted to go for the "taste of your own medicine" strategy, then she should just obviously record him with your phone and don't stop until he gets uncomfortable and leaves. But I have a problem with telling someone "don't do that thing that I'm doing right now".
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