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American Woman Finds A Lump While In Iceland, Shares How Awesome Their Healthcare Is Compared To The US
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American Woman Finds A Lump While In Iceland, Shares How Awesome Their Healthcare Is Compared To The US

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There are plenty of horror stories about the U.S. healthcare system; for a supposedly advanced nation, the inability to provide basic, affordable care to ordinary Americans is baffling to Europeans, especially.

Sometimes U.S. citizens need to travel abroad to see exactly what they are missing; a visit to the emergency room is traumatic enough, it seems ridiculously unfair to saddle someone with years of debt too.

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    Back in 2006, Nashville, Tennessee-based author Mary Robinette Kowal was in Iceland working as a puppeteer on a children’s television show called Lazytown. One day, while doing a regular check, she found a lump. “This wasn’t the first time I’d found a lump, but there’s always a sense of dread, Mary Robinette told Bored Panda. “Even though I knew it was probably nothing, because there’s no history of breast cancer in my family, there’s still a chance that it is going to be a problem.”

    “I was dreading the process of having to navigate a healthcare system in a foreign language. I assumed that it would be as complicated as it was here, with the added challenge of not speaking much Icelandic.”

    So began Mary Robinette’s (amazingly short) journey through the Icelandic healthcare system. She couldn’t speak highly enough of the professional, efficient and astonishingly cheap service, as well as the country as a whole. “I love it and would move back in a heartbeat,” she told us. “The landscape is stunningly gorgeous!”

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    The post sparked a discussion about the merits of various healthcare systems around the world, with people sharing their own eye-opening experiences.

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    Expanding on her thoughts about the situation at home, Mary Robinette believes that more exposure to other nation’s experiences could benefit many American’s attitudes toward their own healthcare. “I think that we tend to see the environment that we’re in as normal, so most Americans have no idea that there are other ways of doing things,” she said.

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    “My normal experience, here, in the US, is one of frustration every time I interact with the insurance industry. I wrote that Twitter thread as I was in the midst of arguing with health insurance for a vital medication for a family member.  In fact, I’m still fighting with them. It’s a medication that they covered last month and this month they aren’t. The contrast is frustrating.”

    “At every turn, it’s clear that choices are being made from the accounting office, not for the patient’s best interests. I’ve told this story over the years to other Americans and they all have the same complete shock at how easy the experience was.”

    What do you think? What are your experiences with healthcare in your country, and in countries around the world? Share your stories in the comments!

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    Arietis
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm just completely bewildered by the american health care industry/system. I can't fathom it and I can't understand why people aren't even angrier about it. Where I'm from people are complaining about waiting times and some extra costs that aren't covered by the insurance company. Like when you want the nicer material for your filling at the dentist's. I think if any party seriously advocated for abolishing the public health care system and took steps to ensuring this goal, there would be mayhem. Probably burning cars on the streets, may day style. And the party would very likely get wiped out in the next elections.

    Alice Laughs
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Revolutions have typically started with collectively immediate crises. We're not up in arms because our bellies are full and rooves are over our heads, pacified by the entertainment industry. We are indoctrinated via various mediums that all this is the norm, and that being willing to die for a cause is maladaptive, much less willingness to do it together. Yes, pockets of protestors exist but nowhere near on the scale needed.

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    comboplush
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel so sorry for anyone having to seek medical treatment in the US. I just cannot comprehend how a civilized nation allows people to face financial ruin because they are sick. You are always just an accident away from losing everything, on top of your health. I often hear that what works in a smaller country wouldn't scale to the big US, but that's just bull. Just imagine the benefits in productivity when everyone could treat their issues in the early stages - instead of letting it develop until it is much worse. I truly hope there will be change one day (and while we're at it, better rights for employees would be neat, too!). Worker rights and healthcare are the two major reasons why I crossed off the US from my list of potential countries to work in, which is a shame as I really loved the people when I visited and could have imagined going there for a while.

    M O'Connell
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have heard that "wouldn't work in the US" argument on many things over the years. It makes no sense at all. If it couldn't work on a nationwide scale, perhaps it should be handled at the state level. Norway has 5 million people, Wisconsin has 5 million people. Surely we can afford the same quality of care.

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    Wil Vanderheijden
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As long as I have discussions on various forums with Americans that say healthcare isn't a human right and they're not going to pay for someone else's hospital bills, America will be stuck with a very expensive and very inefficient healtcare system that's based on greed from the pharmaceutical industry and the hospitals.

    Simon Rushton
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm willing to bet any money that most of these people will claim to be Christian. WWJD.

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    Maya Baggins
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spain here: my dad was diagnosed with lung cancer after an MRI. 1 week later he went under surgery. That was about 9 years ago. He is now healthier than anyone on this webpage xDDD

    Josefine Andersen
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Denmark here. when I was five I wad in the emergency room 3 times in two months(because I am the idiot who does stupid stuff) we paid nothing for that. also, my dad also was in the hospital because of aids we also paid nothing for that. because it is paid in tax

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    Mickey Reed
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am devastated because this year (because of my cancer diagnosis), I met my deductable and my insurance covers me 100% til the end of the year. But I have been told that some doctors "May Not" see me anymore until the past due bills are paid, even though future bills will be paid 100%. I have tried to consolidate and make an "affordable to me" payment plan, which they all have denied. Some bills are already on my credit report in collections and my credit score that I have worked hard to get to only 620, has now tanked once again!!! Between last year and this year, both of my deductibles and bills total over $13,000. My only recourse is finding new doctors and networks (after I have already established new ones in the last 2 months) who will take me in and actually get paid 100% by my insurance. Then the entire process will start all over again January 1. Moral of the story.... don't have any costly injuries or illnesses you cannot afford to pay for!!! SMDH

    Agnes Jekyll
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm so sorry. That is completely immoral. I hope you get the help you need.

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    Erika Drewke
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Sweden and when I got MS and tried the first medicine I learnt that without our medication-cost-system the shots would be 4 000 USD every month. With our system I paid 110 USD for ALL of my medication for A YEAR. Same with my current treatments which I get in hospital every month. I would not be able to get them in the states, and here it´s a right to get medication when you´re in need of it. When my MS gets worse and medication stops working, I will get another one and not one time do I have to worry about it being more expensive than the previous one. I have 13 treatments at hospital (3-4 hours with nurses check-up and some tests (blood,urine,bloodpreassure the normal stuff) , 2 meetings with specialist neurologist, 2 MRIs , 5 bloodtests that goes to Denmark for checkup, 2-6 ultrasounds and I take about 30 packs of medicine a year only for MS. And I pay a total of 220 USD a year (110 for medication and 110 for appointments and hospitalvisits).

    Laura Rakestraw
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And in the US, when my ex was diagnosed with MS after his first MRI (of the brain), his neurologist ordered an MRI of his spine to look for additional, potentially more debilitating, lesions. His insurance denied it because he had already had one MRI (of a different body part), and that was all they were going to allow. We fought it and eventually got it covered, but it took hours of our time talking to agent after agent over the course of days to get them to cover a test deemed necessary by his neurologist. Any system that allows insurance companies to dictate what diagnostics are necessary to diagnose and manage an illness rather than the physicians who are actually treating the patient is broken. As an additional layer of stupidity, they also tried to deny visits to that neurologist, because he was newer to the practice and wasn't considered in-network yet. We both worked for the same health care provider and had specifically requested an appt with a doctor who would be covered.

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    Suluhu
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was in the US on holiday once. Had an accident, went to the ER with blood everywhere from a wound in my thigh. Large enough to need stitches, but nothing life threatening. Had to sit there bleeding until they spoke to my Dutch insurance. Then I got stitches, cleaned up, everything. They asked me if I needed a private room to recuperate or did I need a therapist to work through the trauma? I figured they got a carte blanche from my insurance. Needless to say I didn't need any extra care, I just wanted stitches. Crazy system.

    Ilaria Della Casa
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same in Italy. My sister had a lump in her breast and she got her diagnosis (cyst) in a couple of days time. If no place is available at the hospital you can visit a private doctor which might be a little more expensive (for example my dermatologist was 100€) but you don't face financial ruin because you're sick.

    Sunzilla
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    America, America... What can I say? Even in South Africa the government health care in the metropoles aren't THAT bad...

    Jace
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Murrka, number one!!!!!!11!!!!!1!!! [very disgusted and defeated sigh] I hate my country for this reason (our corporatocracy/plutocratic oligarchy), and also because, when people like me attempt to make patriotic constructive criticisms, a*****e libertarians and republicans come pouring out of their holes to call us “communist” and “unamerican”. Nationalism is the number one tool to ensure that the majority of the USA never learns a single f*****g lesson.

    Bored Moogle
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a feeling if AlphaPuck had lived before the American Revolution, they would have been telling people "If you don't like British rule then leave".

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    Bjarne B. Karlson
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Denmark. I had an episode where i did a number 2 and there was some blood. Called the doctor and was called in for examination. She did a basic examination and said: “I can’t find anything wrong, but I want to have you tested for colon-cancer. I will make an appointment for you at the cancer-department; they will contact you soon. Don’t be alarmed: this is normal procedure” 3 hours later, a nurse calls and says “there’s room for you tommorow; will you come here ?” I came and had a full examination including scans - and it was free of charge.

    Kari Panda
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why in the world are so many Americans against Obamacare if the conditions described above are your status quo? I know you had to pay your medical treatments, but several thousand dollars for an ambulance? How can you even live with that?

    Daniel Ball
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because Obamacare aka "The Affordable Care Act" made healthcare and insurance MORE expensive. For one thing, It was written with the help of one of the largest insurance companies in the US.

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    Michelle Line
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like it'd be cheaper and faster to just fly to Iceland to have any important medical exam/procedure done. Makes me ill. I live in one of the wealthiest, most advanced countries in the world, and I'm worried sick (pardon the pun) of having some major, and minor, medical problems -- and I have insurance. For-profit healthcare should be outlawed but that will never even happen in my country.

    Milena
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How you guys manage and do not rebel is bewildering to me... the constant worry would kill me before even getting sick

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    Alice Laughs
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I am so horrified that I don't even know what to set on fire first." Speaks to me on a spiritual level! The small groups crying out about this are too small, and it feels futile.

    Foxxy
    Community Member
    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m so glad that I live in Australia. Whilst our health system isn’t perfect it is far better than the US. I had breast reductions done under the public system and I waited 2 years (wasn’t urgent surgery) but I only paid $165. I have had 2 babies at hospital, 1 ectopic with emergency surgery, blood transfusion and 4 day hospital stay, Numerous emergency visits, MRIs, Ultrasounds, x-rays, cortisone injections and much more and haven’t had to pay anything. My friend just had brain surgery and again no cost to her.

    Vitaliy Matveev
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here's 1 day in my fancy state-run clinic in Moscow before my long trip to Canada (hence the rush) - all in the same building, 11 floors. I did 3 teeth, an MRI in the basement for my neck and right after had a follow-up treatment with my orthopedist, visited a GP due to high intracranial pressure (I had another MRI scan with me from a year ago) who sent me to an endocrinologist and neurologist. The former asked to come back the following morning for blood work for hormones (it had to be on empty stomach), while the latter sent me to do angiography (same floor) and personally asked them to see me because it's a long procedure and the clinic was closing in 30 min (8 pm). I came back at 8:20 and she was still waiting for me with her assistant! Every single person was so helpful! My hernia shank from 7 mm to 4 mm and doesn't bother me anymore (would have to do a surgery in the US). ZERO co-payment! Only had to pay ~$12 for my meds in their pharmacy.

    Beth
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My grandmother recently went to the hospital with chest pain. She was in there all day and given pills and tests to see what was wrong. They couldn't find anything so they sent her home that evening. One of the pills they gave was a nitro pill, ones that she has at home and were like $10 for a whole bottle. At the hospital 1 pill cost her almost $2,000!! So she has a bill of like $15,000 for the ride, test, and everything. And she still had to go to her doctor for a follow up.

    Josefine Andersen
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    damm. that is more than I pay in tax in a year. and I live in the country with the highest tax

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    Reginald Joseph
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what Americans are so afraid of. I just don't get it. I used to think they were afraid universal healthcare will make them communists, but now they are in bed with Putin, and they don't mind at all.

    blugeagua
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That’s not true. LOTS of us Americans (maybe even most) would love our healthcare to change. And we would love it to be just like the rest of the world.

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    Nevi Løvfelt
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's just the Scandinavian way of doing things. I'm happy I dont live in a country where some of the most important things like your health is restricted because of money. Eww.

    Risky
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I pay my taxes here in the UK, I am happy to so and I am proud of the NHS. I worked for them for a time, my mother was a Radiographer, I have a cousin, two aunts and a sister-in-law that work for them still. I have: broken my wrist, broken my leg in two places, had pancreatitis, had cervical cancer, have had surgery for a slipped disc: with the follow up physio - and had the most wonderful care and treated well and not had to pay. I do pay for my prescriptions (its £9.00) and I top up every three months. To think that I would not have been able to have that treatment if I had no money, is so distressing. My mums had cancer (thankfully well now and but it was utterly horrific and I cannot fault the NHS and Macmillan nurses), dad's got ongoing health issues including loads of non-malignant melanomas that keep needing treatment. My sisters have all had kids - nothing to pay. The thousands of dollars you have to pay in the States is shocking. We are so very lucky to have the NHS.

    YoyoSthlm
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Sweden. I recently fainted in a mall. Woke up, there were six people there helping me, holding my hand. They had called an ambulance. I ended up in hospital for 24 hours. What did I pay? 4,5 dollars overall - and that was for the breakfast.

    Monika Soffronow
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    FREEDOM is a word that has been used for many decades to brainwash Americans into believing it means, among other things, freedom to choose between ridiculously expensive health insurance, and/or getting into serious debt, or dying before your time. In the former communist countries of Eastern Europe, the word "freedom" was made to take on the meaning of pure and devastating anarchy, a scary thing for people used to often not top notch but readily available free health care. Most West Europeans simply take very high quality, free or almost free, health care for granted. "Freedom" is what you feel when you enjoy persuing your favourite pastimes, "freedom" is the absence of fear, the (relative) absence of violence, "freedom" is the possibility for all to study to be able to become what they dream of without having to have chosen parents with the correct size wallet before birth. What I do not understand is why Americans are so complacent. Vote, guys, vote! Get involved!

    Vitaliy Matveev
    Community Member
    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here's an example from Russia (Moscow). Our medical system is similar to British and Canadian, where we have a universal healthcare plan paid for by the government and businesses (called OMS) that gives all people access to government-run medical facilities for anything from simple outpatient treatment and dentistry to in-patient free of charge - you may have to pay for some meds though (overall, similar to Britain's NHS and, Ontario's OHIP). On top of that, all decent employers also provide a so-called DMS plan (private insurance) to their employees that gives you access to fancier clinics or hospitals, including dental clinics (usually private). Again, you may only have to pay for some meds. And you can buy an excellent plan tailored to your needs from any insurance company that will cost you $500 a year or less. Also, you can do any lab test, MRI, etc at any private lab and it costs almost nothing. You can find such labs at every corner in Moscow. No referral or appointment needed.

    TheExtremeSmell
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gotta love capitalism. The poor die off and the rich survive. All hail money, king and god of America!

    Donna Paine
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And our congress who determines our health care laws have been bought and paid for by the insurance company's lobbyists.

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    Kirsti Murch
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Australia. We have free healthcare and option for private health insurance . The private insurance still has a gap to pay but not the extremes like America. I'm glad I live in Australia. Went to Japan. Daughter got really I'll. Emergency dept, Dr fee, cost if medication $30 total cost. Seen straight away. No need to use travel insurance.

    We'llSee
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have health insurance and I still can't afford anything other than one visit a year. I honestly think our health care system is owned, outright owned by big pharm and the politicians and not one of them gives a rats a*s about any citizen. This is also why we keep using antiquated medicines, who wants to cure anything ? Theres no money in that.. It most definitely needs to be fixed.

    lazy panda
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spent a majority of last year trying to find out why my period was so severe. Ended up going to Mayo where the NP gave me an IUD. That one appointment cost me $2,063 AFTER insurance (even though I had met my deductible months earlier due to testing). I had to take out a loan because they threatened up front to send me to collections if I didn't have it paid after 4 payments and/or didn't set up a payment plan.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You should watch Steven Crowder's piece on Canadian healthcare recording his experience.

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    Lola
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It always baffled me to think that someone can find something as a lump and have to wait for days to get it checked. I feel for the people having gone through it. I personally think it will kill me to wait that long not knowing what to expect.

    Evie
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've recently been in and out of the ER. Im bracing myself for the bill im going to get in the mail. I dont have insurance because my work offers a really s****y policy. $90 a week, for the lowest level, with a $4500 deductible. i mean, a girl has to eat. Ive been going out of pocket on all my consults and medications. The hospital i went to offered "financial help" but its based on HOME INCOME. So i had to get pay stubs for 3 months i also had to include my sisters income. I told the director that my finances have nothing to do with my sister, but because we live together (house hold income) they need her information as well, which i think is utter c**p. pray for me yall. :(

    Bluebell Rizzi
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm recovering from a surgery (cyst) - and I was treated in a European country. Very similar. Blood test, ultrasound, drugs, another ultrasound, surgery, two days recovery in a private room, food and drink provided. Free.

    Mick Fowler
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How can insurance CEOs make multi-million dollar salaries like this? How barbaric.

    Steve Cruz
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Two years ago I read about a man in his 20s who was surfing and he was stung by a jellyfish. He was helicopter transported to a hospital and in intensive care for weeks. The hospital had all his belongings from the hotel delivered, where they catalogued, laundered and boxed everything. They had taken a scan of his passport for records, confirmed his home address and asked his phone number. Billing for a non-Australia resident: around $50. Since he missed his non-refundable flight back to the U.S., the hospital put him up in a medical hostel -- a hotel room near the hospital -- so they could keep an eye on him for a couple more weeks. He missed his non-refundable return flight to the U.S., so Quantas provided "hardship" transportation, including transportation to the airport, cart transport in the airport, flight and the same transportation to his home on the other end. All of that was covered by the $20 already paid. The hospital used his contact information to phone and check on him.

    Marie Darling
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Two of my daughter's have a blood disorder called Heridertary Angio Oedema,it is quite rare and they got it from their father.It makes them swell up on any part of their body,including internally their bowels, and everything else in the lower part of the body can swell internally as well as externally.It is very painful when it's internal my daughter's both say the pain is worse than Labour pains,also if their faces swell they have the chance that their throat could close up and it can be life threatening.they have had this all their lives and are now in late thirties and early forties.Their treatment for this is an injection intravenously, sometimes if they are really bad they may need 3 or 4 injections a day,they do this themselves inject themselves etc,if they are really bad it's a hospital stay of maybe 2 days,They get their injections delivered to them every month,60 each,they get the wipes ,the little gauges pads,the plasters,and the bin for the used needles.their injections cost over £500.00 each one,and they don't pay anything for them,everything is free because of the NHS,I don't know what they would do if they lived somewhere like the USA,it doesn't bear thinking about,

    Freya the Wanderer
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The USA could learn a trainload from Iceland! Health care should be affordable - not free, but affordable - and easily available. Making health care a for-profit system has been an utter disaster.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Then how do you explain that almost all of the medical advancements in the last 60 years have come from the "for-profit" system here in America? This profit is dumped into R&D and the consumer sees the benefits. The ultrasound machine that is mentioned in this post.... American invention in 1957. I can go on and on about American medical inventions/discoveries that are a result of scientists being funded by R&D departments in "for-profit" systems.

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    Louise Brigance
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Was in the ER a couple of weekends ago and had a CAT scan. I remarked to the tech that every time I had one it would cost $190, a PET scan cost $200+ and an MRI with contrast was $360. She stopped looked over at me and said, "You know what they charge you?" Most people don't. It's a damn big surprise. Makes me wonder how did we allow this to happen to ourselves? Why should others be making money off our illness? It's complete BS about research and testing etc. It's about making money.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wrote my thesis on this. I can tell you in a nutshell EXACTLY why nobody (even most doctors) dont know the prices on their services and products

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    Hugo Raible
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm really sorry for all the good people who have to live in a shithole country like the USA. You should organize a caravan to a better country in the North or South.

    PaulV
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Caravans? LOL. Never gonna happen. Oops: https://www.newsweek.com/caravan-americans-crossing-canadian-border-get-affordable-medical-care-1417582

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    AzKhaleesi
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, makes me want to move. I have had a couple of back surgeries and want another, and even though I've had the SAME doctor all these years, my insurance "policies" changed and now I have to start ALL OVER with the mri's threapy etc. When even the doctor admitted many times, it's pointless I already know what your issue is and how to fix it. MRI and Therapy is NOT going to help. So stupid.

    The Chopstick
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have got to live in Iceland. I’m having a MRI done next week. It was scheduled in February. February. To check if my vision was ok. My vision is FINE now, and it’s happening next week. If they told me I had to be checked for a brain tumor, I would not be alive to be “checked”.

    Aaron Little
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a type 1 diabetic and I just got laid off near the end of May. My insurance ran out May 31. I've got 2 pens of Humalog left and about 6 pens of Lantus. My doctor's office gave me a sample pen of each. My endocrinologist PA said her office isn't allowed to have samples any more because some other offices weren't adhering to proper storage and handling standards. I'm hoping the local health department can hook me up. I might be able to get some discounts from the main manufacturers but after the prices skyrocketed over the last year, discounted prices may still be too high. I may end up having to beg and borrow from friends with diabetes on insurance 'cause I'm not paying for COBRA.

    Rachael Stalker
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most people cannot afford COBRA!!! Try to find a community health center in your area!

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    R.s. Potter
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband failed his stress EKG test at the local hospital on a Wednesday morning. He was kept in and had bypass surgery the following Monday morning, then stayed in hospital a little over two weeks. Apart from having to buy some special anti-embolism stockings, there was no charge. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada.

    Ian Sirota
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our health care system blows. I grew up in Canada, and while the Canadian system is far from perfect, no one there ever goes bankrupt because of medical bills or refuses health care because they can’t afford it.

    Matthew Smith
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    12 years ago my parents were on holiday in America, Dad became very unwell, in fact he was in a lot of pain, got to a hospital and they wouldn't even look at him till the insurance had been sorted out. Soon as the hospital got the OK they examined him, long story short my Dad had terminal cancer. He was given 3 months to live which was very accurate. - My Brother had a cancer scare of his own, he had a lump in his Jaw, he had treatment and was cancer free in a short time, cost? NOTHING, NHS treatment.

    Kim Lorton
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is awful! They are letting insurance companies dictate who lives and who dies. Anything cancer related, or the potential for cancer, needs to be fast tracked and taken care of right away! A thyroid do, if medication isn’t given ASAP, will cause all kinds of other health issues and problems! Plus, the medication is so freaking cheap! Do the blood work, and get them to a check with a cardiologist, and Obama-gyn. The thyroid gland produces hormones, and the lack of it or excess amount of it, can cause permanent damage. Call around to get someone to see you right away!

    Betty Santa
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    as a european when i travelled to the US this march my travellers insurance costed as much as if i was going to Syria because of the american "health care" system

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Then dont buy traveler insurance. Its not required. Why would you voluntarily purchase and then b***h about how much it costs? Plus syria doesnt require it either so I smell b******t.

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    Josefine Andersen
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    wanna know why it takes so long in the US. because of money. more visit more money. whereas doctors in Iceland and many other countries dont earn anything by more visit

    Magnús Björgvin Guðmundsson
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm very confused. Just a mammogram for anyone uninsured is 18.855 krónur and seeing a doctor is 7.000. It's still a lot less than in America. https://www.krabb.is/leitarstod/leitarstodin/verdskra/

    Monika Soffronow
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She was working in Iceland at the time, and thus she must have been insured. (7.000 Icelandic krónur is 56 USD)

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    Tahani
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well yeah, Belgium is quite similar... A regular doctor visit is like 27$... I had to go to the hospital for a few tests and if I paid 70$ that was a lot... Prescribed meds are partly reimbursed too. Even dentist visits are partly reimbursed, except when I had two teeth pulled but the grand total of that was 85$....

    Nami Tantrum
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    germany: had a lump, went to see my gyn, go a refferal.. few eks later had a mammogam (ikd if it was warm) got a biopsy in the hospital and a remmoval... had to pay for it because the lump, althhough it caused pain, was seen as good not bad.. maybe 250 € don't know anymore... all in all it took about half a year.. i bet if it was a bad lump i wouldn't have paid anyhing and it would have been done faster... and if i would have private incurrance

    Ueda
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was young, stupid and still living in France, I lost control of by bicycle and went face first into the road. Left ear ripped open and plenty of blood everywhere. An ambulance took me to the hospital, were I waited maybe 5 minutes before having my ear stiched up. I paid nothing and the surgeon did such a good job that the scar is now barely visible. Same for basically all medical treatment. Fast, efficient and free (or very cheap). So yeah, I don't understand why people don't go "vive la révolution" in the US...

    Charlee McWhirter
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    in the US the hospital would accuse you of wrecking on purpose to get pain meds, this is how they treat a patient in pain now.

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    Leo Domitrix
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a citizen of the US with connections in civilized nations... Yes, health care is a human RIGHT and is essential to that sacred American "National Security". Sick people don'tmake a strong society. This is basic common sense. A friend in Germany had a ruptured veterbrae. She had surgery the same day. It took my uncle three months to just get the MRI in the US.... HEALTH IS NOT FOR PROFIT< IT IS FOR HUMAN PROGRESS. OK, soapbox gone now...

    Steve Cruz
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Reportedly, Dunce Trump blabbered during his visit to England that Brexit "puts the expensive British healthcare on the table" -- as if Brits want to get rid of their stellar system. Many papers reported that Brexit is essentially dead because of his statement.

    Whawhawhatsis
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The US dies offer excellent, freehealthcare --to a select few. My husband is a disabled vet from the Vietnam era. When he turned 65, he was able to get onto the VA system. He pays only for his prescriptions -- $8/month (and unlike Medicare, the VA can negotiate prices). Why is he getting excellent care from the VA? Because he worked in military hospitals before retirement so knew the VA system as well, so chose one of the top 4 for our retirement location. Fortunately, he gets excellent care from the frequently broken VA system. Among other things, he was given a full-body scan to check for aortic aneurysms--and they found one, so he had surgery to fix it. The following week. Again, zero cost. The medical staff there resent the free care as much as I did! But he'll pay nothing for the rest of his life. Until I was 65 we paid $600/month for my insurance, plus all the incidental expenses. Medical care in the US is a total joke unless you're one of the lucky few, like him, but not me!

    Daniel Ball
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, but with the VA, it takes months before they get to you. That's what universal healthcare will look like if we ever get it here.

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    Liszt
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately in the US "healthcare" is only a label, it's businesscare... When a nation make healtcare access depending on citizen's econimic condition, i think they completely lost the idea of Community, so the idea any democratic nation is based on... they only do bUSiness...

    Kimberly Young
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This makes me so angry. Yesterday I went to the doctor because of pain in my leg after a fall. She said I need imaging. Radiology is in another building (that requires a train ride to get to) and only open until 5, so I have to go later today, because today they don't open until 11. It'll probably be at least tomorrow unril I get the results. I could have a fractured bone and I could be hobbling around on it for days. I don't even wanna think about the bill (btw, I am a state government employee with government insurance).

    Kjorn
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    so when you're sick take a plane and fly to iceland

    Thomas Duncan
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What I don't understand is why so many Americans are so strongly AGAINST nationalized health care? America is a very bewildering place. It puts the 'exception' in 'American exceptionalism"

    George Novak
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even religious hospitals were incorporated into larger systems with profits going right into private hands. People need to think about this when they go to vote. Right now the US government encourages and even rewards executives who profit off the suffering of others. It is not a fault of the "system", because the system was created by us, the people of the USA.

    George Novak
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I spent 12 years working for the Healthcare industry in America. I saw the change coming, and fear things may never get better. Do you remember all the corrupt bankers and corporate executives who crashed US banks and the stock market? Well, they all found new homes in Heathcare. Why, because most Healthcare organizations are supposed to be "non-profit". That means non-taxible profit is supposed to be reinvested in the system. Better facilities, better pay for staff, modern equipment, etc. Also, some of the money is used to reimburse the system when people cannot afford treatment. All that "extra" money now goes into the pockets of the executives. So, instead of better wages for the staff or helping people afford medical expenses the executives pocket millions of dollars each year. It was very different when I started working in Healthcare in 1988, but things have changed for the worse. Even religious hospitals were incorporated into larger systems with profits going right into private

    Ceredwyn Ealanta
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have seen this discussion frequently on forums, to the point where I'm beginning to recognise stories...but here is mine. I had SPD when pregnant, which meant moving was painful. I dropped a knife, because moving was painful, which sliced through the tendons in my foot - through a tiny hole (it was a freak accident, looked like nothing). I went to a doctor, and the doctor decided there was a problem. He sent me to hospital. The doctor was free, by the way. Eventually, in hospital, I had plastic surgery to reconnect my tendons. I crashed due to pregnancy and needed an emergency drip, a full cast, wheelchair hire, crutches - where was I... Oh yeah. The crutches hire cost me $10. Everything else was free. And that is why I can walk today. And why my country has saved a tonne of money on me by investing in healthcare. And been ethically responsible.

    Amanda Reicha
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm on Medicare for disability due to uncontrollable seizures. The prices of my medications are so high (about $1,000 a month) along with restrictions as to how much I can have so one of my medications has to have two prescriptions for separate mg amounts so I can take the correct dose. I have to take brand name meds that have generics in places like the UK because the USA doesn't allow them unless you have a specific form of epilepsy. So the generics are legal, but held back from everyone using them. It's a nightmare. The cost of surgeries and tests can prevent things that could help from being done. I'm married, but that doesn't change a lot. I hate the way insurance works in the USA. It's all profit.

    Amanda Reicha
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh yeah, Medicare doesn't cover dental or vision on disability, so I have to try to pay out of pocket. I have problems with my teeth I can't afford to fix. I makes me angry.

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    Cheryl Schroeder Grussing
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My Sister was diagnosed in January of 2014, with Stage 4 Breast Cancer Prior to that she had no health insurance because of pre existing conditions. I was diagnosed in March of 2014 with the same breast cancer. Had she been able to see a Dr when she wasn't feeling well, she might be alive today. One week after Obamacare for adults was in effect, she was diagnosed. She fought her heart out to live, and passed away March 5th of 2015. I held her hand while she died. I am blessed to be alive but we both should have lived.

    Betti Fortier
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A few weeks ago I had my teeth evaluated for treatment. Long story short, I have bad teeth - several are very loose and I have lost some as well as having had a ton of dental work done. When I got the total, my jaw dropped and my heart broke. I knew it was going to be expensive but I didn't realize it was going to be that much; I couldn't afford it and couldn't get approved for financing. I went home and did some research. I discovered that for LESS than what the dentist wanted, I could get my passport, fly round trip to Thailand, get all the dental work done, pay for a hotel for two weeks to recover, and STILL have over $1,400 left over for meals and souvenirs. Our system in the US is so broken.

    Betti Fortier
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I went a few weeks ago and had my teeth evaluated for treatment. Long story short, I have bad teeth - really loose, I have lost a lot of them, and have had tons of work already. When they got done with the evaluation, The price made my jaw drop and my heart too. I wasn't going to be able to afford it, not even with insurance. I came home and did some research. For LESS than what the dentist here in the states wanted, I could get my passport, fly round trip to Thailand, have all the work done, and pay for a hotel for two weeks to recover. Plus, I would still have over $1,400 for meals and souvenirs.

    Phil Bowerman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think the American tourist assns understand how much money they are losing because of the money gained by the health care industry.Many of our friends refuse to travel into or fly over the US because of the outrageous health insurance costs. We just came back from 2 weeks in the Caribbean which would have been in Arizona. CANADA, still great!!!

    Rachael Stalker
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The American “healthcare” system is all about power and money. It has very little to with healthcare. I am a nurse practitioner and I opened a clinic in Portland Oregon to treat mental health problems. I knew there is a HUGE need for providers who will treat Medicaid / OHP patients, and Medicaid is well known for paying very little money to the providers that take care of their patients. I thought if I kept my costs low I could afford to see lots of Medicaid patients. Ha ha!!! What a joke!!! I was so wrong!! First of all I did not fit neatly into one of their categories, I was not primary care and was not behavioral health. I practice Integrative Medicine which means medication as needed, and vitamins, improving sleep, diet, exercise, coping mechanisms, positive thought, cognitive behavioral therapy, and life coaching. Medicaid approved me as a provider, but I never got paid for one patient. By not fitting into one of their categories I did not get listed in their provider directories

    Rachael Stalker
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The amount of time and energy that it takes to deal with Medicaid I would have had to hire one or two more people. They also require an electronic medical record. (Each of these prices is very expensive, of course.) I could not afford to see Medicaid patients. I opened the clinic in January and closed it May 10th. I have not had a paycheck since November and now I owe a lot of money for this clinic that I could not even get off the ground. We have gone through three retirement accounts just to live off of during this time. It has absolutely ruined us. I am paying off my student loans and the amount I owe just keeps going higher and higher even though I have been making payments every single month. It has gone up by thousands since I graduated. I will be paying off my student debt until the day I die. This is the American healthcare system!!!

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    Donna Cheung
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not just the US. I live in Hong Kong. When my mum had a Stage IV cancer diagnosis, the public healthcare system gave her an appointment several months away. I suppose they think that since you're in Stage IV and will die of the disease anyway, it's better to just hope that you die before you get to the appointment before they use any expensive drugs on you.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Very good point. When its government funded, the government decides how much value your life has.

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    Shirley George
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In New Zealand for women once you are 45 until you turn 70 you are sent a 2 yearly mammogram appointment. This is free. I couldn't imagine how awful it would be to have the same health system as America.

    Vitaliy Matveev
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same in Russia. My mom had regular mammograms after the menopause and eventually they found a lump (not malignant, fortunately). It turned out it was due to a cyst in her ovary so she decided to remove it. Never paid a penny for anything, including the surgery and hospitalization.

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    Bored Moogle
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Capitalism is evil. They are concerned solely with making money rather than helping people. There's more money to be made treating disease than curing it.

    drtechnno
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Welcome to India. Being a doctor here is thankless job here. We do multiple cases like this from morning to night but still public wants US care!! And in US people are crying to just get a referral to visit the right specialist!!!

    Άρης Παπαδόπουλος
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dear Americans. You can come to almost every EU country for vacation and fix your problems almost free of charge.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why would we freeload off someone else? We work for our stuff. That train of thought is why America has been superior to every other country for the last 100 years

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    Mikael Jünderwater
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Second attempt to post: I am American, moved to Taiwan. Dental and Healthcare are barely $5 to 10 usd a visit. Including procedures and medication if necessary. ER visits are $30, and efficient as heck. To America: bye Sheila.

    Mikael Jünderwater
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Taiwan now, I moved from the US to here several years ago. I got my health back. Dental visits, Doctor visits, including medication for whatever ailment (flu, cold, etc) costs under $5 a visit. Root canal cost me about $10 and was over in less than 20 minutes. Efficient, effective.... and how it should be. I pay my government taxes and it all comes back in the form of efficiency. Well, that sounds good to me. To the US: bye Sheila.

    Brian Adams
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you think Government run healthcare is a great idea you should go to the V.A. hospital for their 'GREAT' service. No, really !

    Steven Cieckiewicz
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here's the rub...when us Americans pine away at how awesome socialized medicine is, know that Scandinavian countries that have such an awesome system -also- have a flat tax in place where -everyone- pays around 40% plus income tax. That's a non-starter in the US, where half of us pay $0 income tax.

    Thomas Collins
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    thankfully I live in the UK (Scotland) my local doctor said I had high blood pressure practice nurse following day for an ECG, anomaly found, off to new $400m local hospital for ECG under load (treadmill) yes something wrong, next off to specialist heart hospital for an angiogram found I need a triple bypass, ok had to wait 4 week for my operation spent the four week in my local hospital, private room, banks of tests then back to Glasgow for operation. after operation on to physio course for 5 months and all medication for ongoing treatment. annual health check no costs my sister in law was in at the same time have a knee replacement all part of the great NHS and no worries about not being able to afford any medical treatment.

    Vincent Philippart
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The author writes that her experience with insurance companies in the US is awful: rest assured, they are awful everywhere. That's why we don't let them run important stuff, like healthcare.

    Bridgit Gilmore
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is that in America we don't have a health care system. We have an illness care system. I am an expat American and have been living in the UK *Scotland* for 20 years. 5 years ago I had horrible pain in my abdomen and thought I was dying. As it was a Saturday night I called ADOC (Ayrshire Doctors on Call). They made an appt for me to come in at 10.30 pm and the GP I saw diagnosed appendicitis and sent me straight to A & E (ER). I checked in there and was quickly taken up to the ward. They monitored me and Sunday night, at midnight, I was taken in for surgery. I was on the high dependency ward from post surgery to Wednesday morning as my BP was so high, and released on Wed afternoon. 4 days in hospital and surgery...NO BILL. Last week I badly (2nd degree) burned my arm with hot oil. ER that night and again on Saturday afternoon to change dressing. Have had 2 change of dressing since at my own GP and still...NO BILL. There is no reason in the world why the US cant do the same

    Vernice Aure
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A big problem in the US is that we are constantly bombarded with messages of how great this country is and how horrible other countries are for whatever the topic of discussion is.

    Robert Pacl
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm 93. When I was a kid, during the depression, our doc had evening office hours. Hospital all day and patients til 2:00 in the morning sometimes A lot of them got free care. They had no money. In an oligarchy, which we now have in basic structure, the poor are there to serve their master, and mortality rate is only significant when it affects the ruling class. Putting insurance companies in charge guarantees failure. Profit is needed to keep them going. Automatic diagnosis and successful treatment, ,prerequisites for profit, are a long way off, if ever.

    Mike
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I may get clobbered for posting this here, but I have a similar story in the U.S. My late wife started having stomach trouble on a Thursday. We went to an urgent care center and had to wait for a doctor. We were seen in 5 minutes by a nurse for the triage and within about 3 minutes the doctor arrived. After just a few minutes describing her symptoms the doc left and returned with another doc to reaffirm his suspicions. We were then taken to a small office where we were made as comfortable as we could be in order to hear their fears. It seemed my wife likely had ovarian cancer. This was at 5:20 Thursday evening. We were immediately scheduled for an oncology appt the next AM at 9:15 and the story unfolded with all the tests and everything. After the setup my wife was scheduled for surgery within a week and chemo to start shortly after that. Oh, my copay was $10 for the urgent care center and no copay for the next appts because she was being admitted to the hospital. My whole

    Mike
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    oops - evidently there are length limits. My whole point is that the U.S. has hundreds of millions of people scattered over millions of square miles. We have thousands of different kinds of health insurance. We believe in paying for your own way, but if you can't there is still care available. It's not top-of-the-line care, but it's shared with others that aren't paying their way either. This story of Iceland's healthcare experience is really great, but how many people live in Iceland? How large is the country? How expensive is their energy system, their roadways and other infrastructure? It's a TINY country with VERY FEW people and geothermal resources that are astounding. What I'm saying is this is comparing apples and oranges. How many people that have great experiences with things come out and write long articles about it? Unless they're trying to make a comparison that denigrates another system. So, to summarize: Options are available if you're willing to work for it.

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    Bunny Wood
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whats all the fuss about? Its only the s**t American system that makes people think this is unusual. Come live in the first world.

    Aroha
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Czech Republic - was hospitalized twice, one major surgery (wait time 2 months since it wasn't urgent), seen several specialist (walk in, no appointment, waited 45min). I had a weird stomach pain, went to see my doctor, she did a scan and one week later I was in the hospital for a better scan. ALL OF THIS IS FREE. Also, I take some medicine weekly, it costs me 0 crowns to pick it up from the pharmacy. I pay the equivalent of 7000 USD in taxes, pension, and health care per year. Yeah, it is totally worth it!!

    Leo H
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm wondering what us the tax rate in iceland?..sure free healthcare..but is anything free...someone is paying alot of taxes so that mammogram machine has a warmer. In america a huge amount of people dont pay any federal taxes...meaning this huge burden of health care cost would be shouldered by the middleclass...which would destroy it.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    45%. all my comments with empirical evidence has been downvoted. Its mob rule here.

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    Leo H
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is the population difference between Iceland and america...no-one can afford healthcare for 380 million people. Im guessing all doctors there are gov employees that cant be sued for malpractice. And no doubt the government runs big pharm there...so there probably no real advancements in medicine..oh wait there is but it is developed in the West ( where healthcare is so expensive)..

    m b
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Firstly, look at the population of Iceland, 338,000 people compared to the US 350,000,000, that is 350 million people compared to 338 thousand. Second, their tax rate is 46%. The cost of living is basically unaffordable, housing and personal transportation is through the roof. For being a socialist nation with such high taxes and a universal right to housing and medical services, why do 70% of senior citizens live below subsistance criteria? Oh, one other major point. Iceland is moving away from the traditional Nordic healthcare system in favor of one more like the.....US. https://grapevine.is/news/2018/05/09/iceland-no-longer-following-nordic-welfare-model/ Comparing other nations models to the US that don't resemble our size, diversity, socio-economic status etc doesn't work, it is not a fair comparison.

    Jerilee Buerck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I lived in Germany in the 80's and worked with some German nationals. I do recall them having great insurance however, sometimes long waits for treatment. Also, I clearly recall them complaining about how much was taken from their paychecks for this. At that time, one girl told me nearly 40% of her paycheck went towards taxes and healthcare.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was born in Germany and my family came to US when I was 19. Its funny because now Germany is moving toward a capitalistic system. They are opening up more "for-profit" hospitals and the service and wait times at those hospitals are far better than the gov't hospitals.

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    Nadia Bakker
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everything I hear about the US healthcare industry/system sounds like it came straight out of a distopyan, post-apocalyptic story and I'm afraid for anyone I know who lives there. :(

    Anne Howarth
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    From the UK, live in NZ with American grandchildren. Had cancer twice, 30 and 25 years ago. Best prompt treatment that was totally free. Son and his wife still paying the co-pay on the c- section from eight years ago .

    Danielle Amundsen
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As long as the insurance companies pay off the politicians in the US government we will not see any improvement here. They own the House and the Senate and therefore they own us.

    Sunster
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ten years ago I had a medical procedure. Beforehand, I called my insurance twice to ask about how much it would cost. I was told, twice, that all of it would be covered except for the co-pay to meet the deduction. A month after the procedure I was billed $1000. (Which is a lot of money for someone like me with a low salary, especially back then.) When I contacted insurance, I was given the run-around and never given a straight answer, other than something at the procedure wasn't covered by insurance. I ended up paying it rather than fight it any longer because I needed clean credit to buy a house. I hate health insurance in the United States. I hate that even thought I pay for health insurance, I still had to pay a deductible AND for some mystery something that wasn't covered. It's such a joke in this country.

    Susie
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's interesting to me that the feared outcome of universal healthcare by those opposed to it is the exact situation we already have in the US. I wonder how many unnecessary deaths could be avoided with an actual functioning healthcare system here.

    Pan Narrans
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Netherlands here. Had a double correction to my spinal column at 18. Nine months in a plaster body cast thereafter. The whole procedure costs around 500.000 euro in today's money. Needless to say it was payed for with tax payers money. But, without is I would have been permanently in a wheelchair in 15 years. Now I live a normal live with a steady job and happily pay taxes.

    Jim Kang
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I tore my right quadriceps tendon while in Scotland, 45 minute ambulance ride, about 5days in the hospital with major surgery and rehab. I was on vacation from the US, I was told I probably wouldn't be billed. I was billed in the end for...2,000.£ about $3,000. It's hard to wrap my head around that price tag, when with excellent insurance, by American standards, it would have cost a lot more. Forget about the straight up cash price for the kind of injury I had.

    Saritza Velilla
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I went to a dentist after many years of delayed maintenance due to the high cost of dental procedures. At this point, my choices are partial dentures or implants. The estimate I received from my US dentist was a staggering 40,000, not covered by my insurance. I researched other countries and decide to go to Costa Rica. My cost, including 2 trips, lodging and meals was 16,000, I was treated like royalty, stayed in a nice hotel, ate the best foods, explored the beautiful country and had a great time. It just blows my mind.

    RobotPuppy5000
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know this girl! She is my dads friend and I met her and made puppets with her awhile ago!

    Haulien
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was talking to an American friend a while back and the matter of healthcare came up. Basically, maximising freedom is the priority. For example, people would be better off with health insurance. However, you can not force them to purchase it. That would be an infringement on their personal freedom. You can also not make a federal system because then you might be forcing people to pay for other's care. In instances like these, they choose the route of freedom, as it would be an injustice if the government took action against people's personal freedom. They're more concerned with their level of personal freedom over how people are doing. It's up to their own responsibility to make themselves better off with all the freedom that they have.

    Agnes Jekyll
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But some insurers will not accept patients, and certain patients are not covered for everything. Not everyone can afford insurance....the list goes on

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    Raven Hall
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    CURED FROM GENITAL HERPES WITH HERBAL HERBS,It's a pleasure for me to write this testimony about how i got my Genital Herpes cured a month ago. i have been reading so many comments of some people who were cured from various diseases by Dr .Hazim, but i never believed them. I was hurt and depressed so I was too curious and wanted to try Dr. Hazim , then i contacted him through his email when i contact him, he assured me 100% that he will heal me, i pleaded with him to help me out. My treatment was a great success, he healed me just as he promised. he sent me his medication and ask me to go for check up after 21 days of taking the medication. i agreed with him i took this medication and went for check up after 21 days of the treatment, To my greatest surprise my result came out  negative after the treatment, I'm very happy that i was cured and been  healthy again. I waited for 3 weeks to be very sure if I was completely healed before writing this testimony. I did another blood test one w

    deanna woods
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what makes me so angry about the American healthcare system. I have diabetes, depression, anxiety, high blood pressure, and kidney damage. I don't have health insurance so everytime I need to do blood work I have to pay out of pocket. The last time I went in to do blood work, they told me to come back another day. I went in the day I did because it was my day off and they wanted me to come on a day I would be working. I have had some doctors who have tried to work with me, but for the most part the American health care system is a joke.

    Melisa Eva
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's a pleasure for me to write this testimony about how i got my Genital Herpes cured a month ago. i have been reading so many comments of some people who were cured from various diseases by Dr .Hazim, but i never believed them. I was hurt and depressed so I was too curious and wanted to try Dr. Hazim , then i contacted him through his email when i contact him, he assured me 100% that he will heal me, i pleaded with him to help me out. My treatment was a great success, he healed me just as he promised. he sent me his medication and ask me to go for check up after 21 days of taking the medication. i agreed with him i took this medication and went for check up after 21 days of the treatment, To my greatest surprise my result came out  negative after the treatment, I'm very happy that i was cured and been  healthy again. I waited for 3 weeks to be very sure if I was completely healed before writing this testimony. I did another blood test one week ago and it was still Herpes negative. so

    Lemon Garnished Potato
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow. That's just- *frantically scribbling down notes for more dystopian stories* Goodness.

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    Ana B.
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even in Canada, where we have free healthcare, it's closer to the American way. We don't have to pay for it, yes, which is a HUGE advantage, but it takes months and months to get a referral. My mom has many medical problems, and she's had to suffer for years because doctors don't take her seriously and it takes like 8 months sometimes for her to get a referral. It's horrible, and I can't imagine how much worse it would be in the US.

    Trash Panda
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't stand it when some "I know better than you" politician wants to tell us about how awful healthcare is in other countries and that there is no way to have a system like that of other countries. My first question to my congressman in GA was, "Have you ever been overseas or to any other country for healthcare?" I spent almost 2 years in Canada and I was amazed how painless the process was. I paid $60 a month for national coverage and when I had to see the doc it cost nothing extra. A prescription I needed cost $13 in BC. The same medication in the states? $122

    Modesty Pilgrim
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t have insurance so I can’t see what the lump in my breast is, and if I did have insurance they said I’m too young for a mammogram, but if I have cancer I can get one, true words that we’re spoken by the young lady behind the desk.

    Mary E Willemsen
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our healthcare system is appalling. The stories that people here shared are not unusual. When I ask people why they don't want a revised healthcare system they talk about tax increases and not being provided services after a certain age - all of which is complete c**p. I actually had an emergency doctor tell me that too many people would abuse the system and show up for care they don't need. What??? I told him I would be willing to pay higher taxes if it gave people the ability to get the care they needed whether it's physical or mental health. If your population is healthy, your country is healthier.

    Leo H
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's be honest getting a mammography in most 1st world countries isnt cutting technology.. I serious doubt the gov of Iceland is pouring millions into designing new tech or creating new medicine to say cure cancer. They are most likely years behind the us when it comes to healthcare options. It's easy to just piggyback and buy a mammogram machine...but it cost millions to research,design and test this medical tech or a new drug....this is why healthcare cost so much in the us. The hospital in Iceland gave a mammogram...it's not like the cured cancer..

    Leo H
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine if you could go to the doctor in America for free. The only reason you can get into your doctor's now is because people like me that have no insurance and can't afford it. Give it to me for free and I'm going..for every lil cough,scratch or any health screening. So ofcourse healthcare would be limited,restricted,long waiting lines..the quality of healthcare would suffer because doctors would be gov employees and could only earn so much.. Free healthcare is a pipedream

    Mainza Munsanje
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Zambia, noticed I had a breast lump in 2014, saw a doctor said it was nothing and it would go. It grew and I went to see him again, said it was nothing (no mammogram examination). I sought a 2nd opinion, took me 4 months to get an appointment and which point it shrunk, I went in and was told it'll finish since it was shrinking on it's own (I waited 4 months to be told it'll shrink to nothing) 2017 it was there again and when I asked a family friend who is a retired nurse, she advised me to get it and my hormones checked. New hospital, 2 months till I could be seen, docto

    Mainza Munsanje
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ^doctor feels around, and tells me come back in 6 months, if it's not gone, we'll schedule an operation. 6 months later, I'm back, lump has grown, they send me to do a mammogram, they see the lump and say it is benign, but they'll remove it

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    Si
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But Iceland has a tiny population. Places are more humane that way. The problem comes when you have lots of rats in the same cage.

    Chris Miilu
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's even worse in China; they have no Medicare or private insurance carriers. My friend was hospitalized for 3 weeks; he paid first two and ran out of money. A friend paid for a third week until he was taken off the I.V. Now home trying to live on p-t work

    Georgina Saunders
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm British and have enjoyed free awesome healthcare courtesy of the wonderful NHS my whole life. All UK citizens have benefited from the NHS either personally or through a friend or relative. Almost all of us were born in NHS hospitals completely free of charge. We love it and would never give it up. My husband was transferred to Canada for work and we worried that the healthcare would be expensive. 5 months in, he fell and broke his wrist whilst ice skating. We went to the local hospital, it was 10:30pm on a Saturday. He was checked in, sen by a doctor, x-rayed put in a cast and out the door in 90 mins flat. No bill as we had joined the Alberta Health system and had our cards. I salute the Canadian healthcare system!

    Amina Hays
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The American health service is just outrageous. I have loads of health problems requiring a ton of medication and investigations/procedures/surgeries and if I lived over there I'd be truly f***ed. My uncle's friend was American and he died because he couldn't afford treatment. That's disgusting.

    Claes Gustavsson
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This sounds like Sweden. I have been sick this year (Psoriasis) and been so taken care of, though it's a long process handled fast for no money at all. What you spend on Netflix. And the nurses … In the US, it would have cost me a fortune and propably my life. I would kill myself. It's worth your tax money.

    Claes Gustavsson
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That sounds like Sweden. I don't know about lumps, but have been sick recently and treated so well. In the US, I would have killed myself.

    Valerie Lessard
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Iceland has a population of around 300,000 while the u.s has a population of around 300 MILLION. Therefore of course appointments and referrals are needed. If people were to just walk in as they please the system would be even more overloaded. Yes, healthcare in most countries need restructuring and I agree it is a human right and should be better resourced and managed, but you're comparing a massive country, both geographically and demographically, to a tiny one. Instead of comparing yourselves to Scandinavian countries, create a system that'll work well in yours . Appointments and referrals work well in Australia because people have a tendency to overload the system unnecessarily and abuse it because it's free (if you don't count the Medicare levy). For a cancer centre to do things in the automatic fashion that you described, you'd need about 500 or more of them in one state. It's unrealistic to expect Icelandic standards anywhere else.

    John Napier
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the waiting times are because of other appointments. The doctor doesn't just check out for months. So, we have a finite resource that is in too high a demand. The governments solution is to increase the availability and demand for a finite resoource. Anyone see a problem here?

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    Jackie Stevens
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is good and bad in both systems.....Iceland’s total population is half of Seattle. Wa. The UK, Denmark, France, Italy, and Canada have substantially less people than the US. The red tape for 300 million people will be a nightmare. I am a 68 year old throat cancer patient, who was allowed to get genetically tested and put on Keytruda (an immunology drug) immediately, and have stayed on said drug for 2 years. I’m in contact with a 38 year old mother of two in the UK.....they won’t give her Keytruda, even though she has the genetic fault, and Keytruda could possibly cure her UNTIL she completes 9 months of chemotherapy....horrible, sick, mouth sores, type chemo. Why? It costs a lot....she said to me that they hope she dies before they have to spend any money on her. In the UK, I wouldn’t have gotten ANY Keytruda because I’m too old.

    Kelleher Maher
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I won’t deny that American healthcare has significant problems, but there’s a lot of comparing of apples and oranges in this post and the responses. This is a woman who found out very quickly that she did not have a medical problem. I’ve been sent by docs in the US immediately to an x-ray or ultrasound and found out within 24 hours that I did not actually have a health problem too. The real test of a healthcare system is not how quickly and cheaply someone with no problem finds out they have no problem but how thoroughly and cost effectively someone is treated when they actually do have a problem - and how it differs among socioeconomic groups and geographic locations within the country.

    Christine Bandaly
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are comparing apples to oranges - when a population consists of less then 400,000 people total it is easy to offer free and great healthcare. *United States/Population 327.2 million (2018) *Iceland/Population 338,349 (2017)

    Christopher Busch
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This Icelandic model sounds idyllic, but in America, such a system appears to be positively ripe for abuse. America is loaded with freeloaders, cheapskates, and hypochondriacs who would clog the system if it were "free". The American system is obscenely expensive, spectacularly complicated, and not particularly effective, but I have zero answers on how to fix it.

    Joannie Goulet
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Canada. Here we have free healthcare but it takes weeks or even months to be seen by a doctor. I wish our health system was that efficient.

    Christina Ciccarelli
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    continued....D. The US education system is based on profit, doctors pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to become certified, this isn't going away anytime soon. When you can solve any of the above, then you can start questioning the morality of those that don't wish to chuck half their paycheck toward an already utterly doomed to fail system.. Let the flaming begin!

    Christina Ciccarelli
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I write this with the understanding that I am going to take abuse for it. Have at at. That being said: While I think that the efficiency is absolutely fantastic and everyone should think like this when designing cancer clinics.. You cannot compare Iceland to the US because of the following - A. Iceland is not a country that is flooded on the daily with immigrants, legal or otherwise. While some of these may have the best of intentions, they are not immediately wage earning citizens that contribute to the whole. What amount of tax are you personally willing to pay to subsidize all of these people? B. Iceland doesn't have citizens that don't work for the most part, there are huge areas of the US where welfare is the way to go, none of these people will ever contriubute toward the whole. C. The system of litigation in the US is such that everyone will sue at the drop of a hat, and for MILLIONS. Insurance companies base their rates on having to pony up those payouts. continued.......

    Reginald Joseph
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Christina, the US is not a country with a bunch of free-loading welfare dependents who will never work. In Iceland 9% of the population live below the poverty line, 13% are at risk, and 7.7% of people under 24 live on welfare, and the country-wide average is 4.4%. In the US, immigrants work. They come to the US to work, to make money and they take jobs "Americans" will not work. Who do you think picks your tomatoes for slave wages? As for suing, that is because there is no societal network to care for people whose health is damaged. They have no choice put to sue in order to stay alive. Break the cycle by caring for your own citizens.

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    John Adams
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ah well, America get's what it deserves for voting trump and greed !

    Cindy Snow
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dont be silly. This has been the case since way before Trump. He kinda sucks but you can't blame this on him.

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    Mark Szeman
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to rain on anyone's parade, but.. Iceland (the country) has the same approx. population as Anaheim California (1 city). The system they have there doesn't scale to somewhere as big as America, given the number of doctors in the US. Ask people in England what their Health care system is like, Socialist systems don't work on massive scales stop using these things as examples.

    Mark Szeman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to rain on anyones parade, but ... Iceland (the country) has the approx. same population of Anaheim California (1 city) The system they use there doesn't scale to somewhere as large as America given the number of Doctors there are in America.

    Daniel Ball
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the answer to the US medical issue is not getting insurance at all. No fighting with insurance, and since you don't have insurance, you tell the hospital that you'll pay in cash. Hospital doesn't have to fight with insurance on how much they'll pay (which is why things are so expensive here), the hospital will give you the actual cost of the care which is probably 75% less than the insurance rate.

    Miguel Denyer
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a former Brit living in the US, I can say unequivocally that while it isn't perfect, the US system is better than the UK... I'm alive because of it... I'd be dead by now, just like my parents, if I had to rely on the UK National Health. My father was diagnosed with hypernephroma - a form of kidney cancer... when it was initially detected, he had a small, "pea-sized" tumor on his right kidney... he was told that a simple nephrectomy would cure him completely - HOWEVER... because of the National Health system, he was placed on a waiting list for said operation... the problem is that Cancer doesn't stop while people wait for operations - by the time they got around to getting him in for said operation, it was too late - he died a month later. Likewise, my mother was found to have colon cancer - she too had to play the waiting list game for a simple LIFE SAVING operation and yet she too died as a result of having to wait. Also, it's not free in the UK, TAXPAYERS foot the bill...

    knittin' kitten
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have the most complex and mysterious disorder my orthopedic surgeon has ever seen. He pushed me up the list to the front of the line. the front of the line is 6 months from now as a Canadian I fortunately don't need to worry about insurance for this so my waiting 6 months doesn't seem to be unjustifiable, but if you can get an entire cancer screen from start to finish in an hour. I waited 6 months for an MRI and then another six months for the surgery when it cripples me to the point of I'm having to use a walker at 30 I wish they would hurry things along a little bit. apparently there's nine different issues 4 different tears extra bone growth missing catrelage and expanded joints. I get to wait a year at least I'm being seen it all. my stepfather's back has 2 pinched nerves a bulged disks spinal stenosis a hole in his sacrum joint etc. they can do something they just dont want to and because people are worse than him he can suffer. Um he cries and occasionally screams in agony if that's not bad what is? Canada the best "free" health care but s**t care in comparison to most places. I'll pay 3 bucks to be treated with respect and get exact care needed

    Reginald Joseph
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm really sorry. That sounds awful. I had excellent care in Canada, but it can vary and I have had horrible doctors. I hope you get the care you need and the respect you deserve.

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    Sanchez Vasile
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sure, every country has its regulating mechanisms and some see the trap earlier when they become victims themselves. But for those where the satanists see their own populations as a simple pool for sacrifices, the only solutions is to kill one of them for each one of you. or to destroy them totally when they attack a different country. That's why if monstrous things happen, everybody is accomplice - these mechanisms exist, they are just not applied!

    MingJai
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why do people keep saying it's free in their country? It's not free. There's no such thing. You all pay for it in taxation. No one is working in the medical industry in those countries for free. The medicine isn't produced and given for free. Someone pays for it. Also comparing the country of Iceland that has a much smaller population to the US with a much larger population with 50 states that have their own health laws, policies. Don't get me wrong. THe US healthcare industry isn't perfect by any stretch. But it's a gross oversimplification to say the US could just change it to something else overnight.

    Agnes Jekyll
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're right, nothing is free--but some things are worth paying for, and denying citizens access to health care actually costs US citizens more than universal health care does.

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    joi
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    wouldn't see a rip-off american doctor if you paid me, and it's unlikely you will since at 59 and a decade post stroke and a lifetime of transcribing the asshats i don't believe they do a very good job and i honestly don't believe most people need much medical care. those little owies will heal themselves. if you've got something really wrong, like my friend's kid with Behcet disease, I understand you're doomed to put up with their c**p, but really, how many people who do you know who really need a doctor and how many are just attention whoring?

    wusah
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    If we had as many people living in the US as there are there, it would pretty much be the same. PS I dont need a referral to go to the doc.

    Marlowe Fitzpatrik
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't get it, either. If you have more people, you also have more people paying into the public insurance. So it wouldn't really matter how many people live in your country, since more people also mean more money. If you're saying that there are more POOR people under the poverty-line relative to the size of the population, that would then be indeed a problem. Might mean there needed to be more changes than JUST The health-care-system, like better minimum wages, for example

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    Emmy
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    BUT they take 60% of your salary every 2 weeks. Funny how that always is ignored.

    Reginald Joseph
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But when you get sick in America, you either die or lose all of your money and become homeless.

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    Arietis
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm just completely bewildered by the american health care industry/system. I can't fathom it and I can't understand why people aren't even angrier about it. Where I'm from people are complaining about waiting times and some extra costs that aren't covered by the insurance company. Like when you want the nicer material for your filling at the dentist's. I think if any party seriously advocated for abolishing the public health care system and took steps to ensuring this goal, there would be mayhem. Probably burning cars on the streets, may day style. And the party would very likely get wiped out in the next elections.

    Alice Laughs
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Revolutions have typically started with collectively immediate crises. We're not up in arms because our bellies are full and rooves are over our heads, pacified by the entertainment industry. We are indoctrinated via various mediums that all this is the norm, and that being willing to die for a cause is maladaptive, much less willingness to do it together. Yes, pockets of protestors exist but nowhere near on the scale needed.

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    comboplush
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel so sorry for anyone having to seek medical treatment in the US. I just cannot comprehend how a civilized nation allows people to face financial ruin because they are sick. You are always just an accident away from losing everything, on top of your health. I often hear that what works in a smaller country wouldn't scale to the big US, but that's just bull. Just imagine the benefits in productivity when everyone could treat their issues in the early stages - instead of letting it develop until it is much worse. I truly hope there will be change one day (and while we're at it, better rights for employees would be neat, too!). Worker rights and healthcare are the two major reasons why I crossed off the US from my list of potential countries to work in, which is a shame as I really loved the people when I visited and could have imagined going there for a while.

    M O'Connell
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have heard that "wouldn't work in the US" argument on many things over the years. It makes no sense at all. If it couldn't work on a nationwide scale, perhaps it should be handled at the state level. Norway has 5 million people, Wisconsin has 5 million people. Surely we can afford the same quality of care.

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    Wil Vanderheijden
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As long as I have discussions on various forums with Americans that say healthcare isn't a human right and they're not going to pay for someone else's hospital bills, America will be stuck with a very expensive and very inefficient healtcare system that's based on greed from the pharmaceutical industry and the hospitals.

    Simon Rushton
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm willing to bet any money that most of these people will claim to be Christian. WWJD.

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    Maya Baggins
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spain here: my dad was diagnosed with lung cancer after an MRI. 1 week later he went under surgery. That was about 9 years ago. He is now healthier than anyone on this webpage xDDD

    Josefine Andersen
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Denmark here. when I was five I wad in the emergency room 3 times in two months(because I am the idiot who does stupid stuff) we paid nothing for that. also, my dad also was in the hospital because of aids we also paid nothing for that. because it is paid in tax

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    Mickey Reed
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am devastated because this year (because of my cancer diagnosis), I met my deductable and my insurance covers me 100% til the end of the year. But I have been told that some doctors "May Not" see me anymore until the past due bills are paid, even though future bills will be paid 100%. I have tried to consolidate and make an "affordable to me" payment plan, which they all have denied. Some bills are already on my credit report in collections and my credit score that I have worked hard to get to only 620, has now tanked once again!!! Between last year and this year, both of my deductibles and bills total over $13,000. My only recourse is finding new doctors and networks (after I have already established new ones in the last 2 months) who will take me in and actually get paid 100% by my insurance. Then the entire process will start all over again January 1. Moral of the story.... don't have any costly injuries or illnesses you cannot afford to pay for!!! SMDH

    Agnes Jekyll
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm so sorry. That is completely immoral. I hope you get the help you need.

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    Erika Drewke
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Sweden and when I got MS and tried the first medicine I learnt that without our medication-cost-system the shots would be 4 000 USD every month. With our system I paid 110 USD for ALL of my medication for A YEAR. Same with my current treatments which I get in hospital every month. I would not be able to get them in the states, and here it´s a right to get medication when you´re in need of it. When my MS gets worse and medication stops working, I will get another one and not one time do I have to worry about it being more expensive than the previous one. I have 13 treatments at hospital (3-4 hours with nurses check-up and some tests (blood,urine,bloodpreassure the normal stuff) , 2 meetings with specialist neurologist, 2 MRIs , 5 bloodtests that goes to Denmark for checkup, 2-6 ultrasounds and I take about 30 packs of medicine a year only for MS. And I pay a total of 220 USD a year (110 for medication and 110 for appointments and hospitalvisits).

    Laura Rakestraw
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And in the US, when my ex was diagnosed with MS after his first MRI (of the brain), his neurologist ordered an MRI of his spine to look for additional, potentially more debilitating, lesions. His insurance denied it because he had already had one MRI (of a different body part), and that was all they were going to allow. We fought it and eventually got it covered, but it took hours of our time talking to agent after agent over the course of days to get them to cover a test deemed necessary by his neurologist. Any system that allows insurance companies to dictate what diagnostics are necessary to diagnose and manage an illness rather than the physicians who are actually treating the patient is broken. As an additional layer of stupidity, they also tried to deny visits to that neurologist, because he was newer to the practice and wasn't considered in-network yet. We both worked for the same health care provider and had specifically requested an appt with a doctor who would be covered.

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    Suluhu
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was in the US on holiday once. Had an accident, went to the ER with blood everywhere from a wound in my thigh. Large enough to need stitches, but nothing life threatening. Had to sit there bleeding until they spoke to my Dutch insurance. Then I got stitches, cleaned up, everything. They asked me if I needed a private room to recuperate or did I need a therapist to work through the trauma? I figured they got a carte blanche from my insurance. Needless to say I didn't need any extra care, I just wanted stitches. Crazy system.

    Ilaria Della Casa
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same in Italy. My sister had a lump in her breast and she got her diagnosis (cyst) in a couple of days time. If no place is available at the hospital you can visit a private doctor which might be a little more expensive (for example my dermatologist was 100€) but you don't face financial ruin because you're sick.

    Sunzilla
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    America, America... What can I say? Even in South Africa the government health care in the metropoles aren't THAT bad...

    Jace
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Murrka, number one!!!!!!11!!!!!1!!! [very disgusted and defeated sigh] I hate my country for this reason (our corporatocracy/plutocratic oligarchy), and also because, when people like me attempt to make patriotic constructive criticisms, a*****e libertarians and republicans come pouring out of their holes to call us “communist” and “unamerican”. Nationalism is the number one tool to ensure that the majority of the USA never learns a single f*****g lesson.

    Bored Moogle
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a feeling if AlphaPuck had lived before the American Revolution, they would have been telling people "If you don't like British rule then leave".

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    Bjarne B. Karlson
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Denmark. I had an episode where i did a number 2 and there was some blood. Called the doctor and was called in for examination. She did a basic examination and said: “I can’t find anything wrong, but I want to have you tested for colon-cancer. I will make an appointment for you at the cancer-department; they will contact you soon. Don’t be alarmed: this is normal procedure” 3 hours later, a nurse calls and says “there’s room for you tommorow; will you come here ?” I came and had a full examination including scans - and it was free of charge.

    Kari Panda
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why in the world are so many Americans against Obamacare if the conditions described above are your status quo? I know you had to pay your medical treatments, but several thousand dollars for an ambulance? How can you even live with that?

    Daniel Ball
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because Obamacare aka "The Affordable Care Act" made healthcare and insurance MORE expensive. For one thing, It was written with the help of one of the largest insurance companies in the US.

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    Michelle Line
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like it'd be cheaper and faster to just fly to Iceland to have any important medical exam/procedure done. Makes me ill. I live in one of the wealthiest, most advanced countries in the world, and I'm worried sick (pardon the pun) of having some major, and minor, medical problems -- and I have insurance. For-profit healthcare should be outlawed but that will never even happen in my country.

    Milena
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How you guys manage and do not rebel is bewildering to me... the constant worry would kill me before even getting sick

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    Alice Laughs
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I am so horrified that I don't even know what to set on fire first." Speaks to me on a spiritual level! The small groups crying out about this are too small, and it feels futile.

    Foxxy
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m so glad that I live in Australia. Whilst our health system isn’t perfect it is far better than the US. I had breast reductions done under the public system and I waited 2 years (wasn’t urgent surgery) but I only paid $165. I have had 2 babies at hospital, 1 ectopic with emergency surgery, blood transfusion and 4 day hospital stay, Numerous emergency visits, MRIs, Ultrasounds, x-rays, cortisone injections and much more and haven’t had to pay anything. My friend just had brain surgery and again no cost to her.

    Vitaliy Matveev
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here's 1 day in my fancy state-run clinic in Moscow before my long trip to Canada (hence the rush) - all in the same building, 11 floors. I did 3 teeth, an MRI in the basement for my neck and right after had a follow-up treatment with my orthopedist, visited a GP due to high intracranial pressure (I had another MRI scan with me from a year ago) who sent me to an endocrinologist and neurologist. The former asked to come back the following morning for blood work for hormones (it had to be on empty stomach), while the latter sent me to do angiography (same floor) and personally asked them to see me because it's a long procedure and the clinic was closing in 30 min (8 pm). I came back at 8:20 and she was still waiting for me with her assistant! Every single person was so helpful! My hernia shank from 7 mm to 4 mm and doesn't bother me anymore (would have to do a surgery in the US). ZERO co-payment! Only had to pay ~$12 for my meds in their pharmacy.

    Beth
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My grandmother recently went to the hospital with chest pain. She was in there all day and given pills and tests to see what was wrong. They couldn't find anything so they sent her home that evening. One of the pills they gave was a nitro pill, ones that she has at home and were like $10 for a whole bottle. At the hospital 1 pill cost her almost $2,000!! So she has a bill of like $15,000 for the ride, test, and everything. And she still had to go to her doctor for a follow up.

    Josefine Andersen
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    damm. that is more than I pay in tax in a year. and I live in the country with the highest tax

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    Reginald Joseph
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what Americans are so afraid of. I just don't get it. I used to think they were afraid universal healthcare will make them communists, but now they are in bed with Putin, and they don't mind at all.

    blugeagua
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That’s not true. LOTS of us Americans (maybe even most) would love our healthcare to change. And we would love it to be just like the rest of the world.

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    Nevi Løvfelt
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's just the Scandinavian way of doing things. I'm happy I dont live in a country where some of the most important things like your health is restricted because of money. Eww.

    Risky
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I pay my taxes here in the UK, I am happy to so and I am proud of the NHS. I worked for them for a time, my mother was a Radiographer, I have a cousin, two aunts and a sister-in-law that work for them still. I have: broken my wrist, broken my leg in two places, had pancreatitis, had cervical cancer, have had surgery for a slipped disc: with the follow up physio - and had the most wonderful care and treated well and not had to pay. I do pay for my prescriptions (its £9.00) and I top up every three months. To think that I would not have been able to have that treatment if I had no money, is so distressing. My mums had cancer (thankfully well now and but it was utterly horrific and I cannot fault the NHS and Macmillan nurses), dad's got ongoing health issues including loads of non-malignant melanomas that keep needing treatment. My sisters have all had kids - nothing to pay. The thousands of dollars you have to pay in the States is shocking. We are so very lucky to have the NHS.

    YoyoSthlm
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Sweden. I recently fainted in a mall. Woke up, there were six people there helping me, holding my hand. They had called an ambulance. I ended up in hospital for 24 hours. What did I pay? 4,5 dollars overall - and that was for the breakfast.

    Monika Soffronow
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    FREEDOM is a word that has been used for many decades to brainwash Americans into believing it means, among other things, freedom to choose between ridiculously expensive health insurance, and/or getting into serious debt, or dying before your time. In the former communist countries of Eastern Europe, the word "freedom" was made to take on the meaning of pure and devastating anarchy, a scary thing for people used to often not top notch but readily available free health care. Most West Europeans simply take very high quality, free or almost free, health care for granted. "Freedom" is what you feel when you enjoy persuing your favourite pastimes, "freedom" is the absence of fear, the (relative) absence of violence, "freedom" is the possibility for all to study to be able to become what they dream of without having to have chosen parents with the correct size wallet before birth. What I do not understand is why Americans are so complacent. Vote, guys, vote! Get involved!

    Vitaliy Matveev
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here's an example from Russia (Moscow). Our medical system is similar to British and Canadian, where we have a universal healthcare plan paid for by the government and businesses (called OMS) that gives all people access to government-run medical facilities for anything from simple outpatient treatment and dentistry to in-patient free of charge - you may have to pay for some meds though (overall, similar to Britain's NHS and, Ontario's OHIP). On top of that, all decent employers also provide a so-called DMS plan (private insurance) to their employees that gives you access to fancier clinics or hospitals, including dental clinics (usually private). Again, you may only have to pay for some meds. And you can buy an excellent plan tailored to your needs from any insurance company that will cost you $500 a year or less. Also, you can do any lab test, MRI, etc at any private lab and it costs almost nothing. You can find such labs at every corner in Moscow. No referral or appointment needed.

    TheExtremeSmell
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gotta love capitalism. The poor die off and the rich survive. All hail money, king and god of America!

    Donna Paine
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And our congress who determines our health care laws have been bought and paid for by the insurance company's lobbyists.

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    Kirsti Murch
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Australia. We have free healthcare and option for private health insurance . The private insurance still has a gap to pay but not the extremes like America. I'm glad I live in Australia. Went to Japan. Daughter got really I'll. Emergency dept, Dr fee, cost if medication $30 total cost. Seen straight away. No need to use travel insurance.

    We'llSee
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have health insurance and I still can't afford anything other than one visit a year. I honestly think our health care system is owned, outright owned by big pharm and the politicians and not one of them gives a rats a*s about any citizen. This is also why we keep using antiquated medicines, who wants to cure anything ? Theres no money in that.. It most definitely needs to be fixed.

    lazy panda
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spent a majority of last year trying to find out why my period was so severe. Ended up going to Mayo where the NP gave me an IUD. That one appointment cost me $2,063 AFTER insurance (even though I had met my deductible months earlier due to testing). I had to take out a loan because they threatened up front to send me to collections if I didn't have it paid after 4 payments and/or didn't set up a payment plan.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You should watch Steven Crowder's piece on Canadian healthcare recording his experience.

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    Lola
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It always baffled me to think that someone can find something as a lump and have to wait for days to get it checked. I feel for the people having gone through it. I personally think it will kill me to wait that long not knowing what to expect.

    Evie
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've recently been in and out of the ER. Im bracing myself for the bill im going to get in the mail. I dont have insurance because my work offers a really s****y policy. $90 a week, for the lowest level, with a $4500 deductible. i mean, a girl has to eat. Ive been going out of pocket on all my consults and medications. The hospital i went to offered "financial help" but its based on HOME INCOME. So i had to get pay stubs for 3 months i also had to include my sisters income. I told the director that my finances have nothing to do with my sister, but because we live together (house hold income) they need her information as well, which i think is utter c**p. pray for me yall. :(

    Bluebell Rizzi
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm recovering from a surgery (cyst) - and I was treated in a European country. Very similar. Blood test, ultrasound, drugs, another ultrasound, surgery, two days recovery in a private room, food and drink provided. Free.

    Mick Fowler
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How can insurance CEOs make multi-million dollar salaries like this? How barbaric.

    Steve Cruz
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Two years ago I read about a man in his 20s who was surfing and he was stung by a jellyfish. He was helicopter transported to a hospital and in intensive care for weeks. The hospital had all his belongings from the hotel delivered, where they catalogued, laundered and boxed everything. They had taken a scan of his passport for records, confirmed his home address and asked his phone number. Billing for a non-Australia resident: around $50. Since he missed his non-refundable flight back to the U.S., the hospital put him up in a medical hostel -- a hotel room near the hospital -- so they could keep an eye on him for a couple more weeks. He missed his non-refundable return flight to the U.S., so Quantas provided "hardship" transportation, including transportation to the airport, cart transport in the airport, flight and the same transportation to his home on the other end. All of that was covered by the $20 already paid. The hospital used his contact information to phone and check on him.

    Marie Darling
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Two of my daughter's have a blood disorder called Heridertary Angio Oedema,it is quite rare and they got it from their father.It makes them swell up on any part of their body,including internally their bowels, and everything else in the lower part of the body can swell internally as well as externally.It is very painful when it's internal my daughter's both say the pain is worse than Labour pains,also if their faces swell they have the chance that their throat could close up and it can be life threatening.they have had this all their lives and are now in late thirties and early forties.Their treatment for this is an injection intravenously, sometimes if they are really bad they may need 3 or 4 injections a day,they do this themselves inject themselves etc,if they are really bad it's a hospital stay of maybe 2 days,They get their injections delivered to them every month,60 each,they get the wipes ,the little gauges pads,the plasters,and the bin for the used needles.their injections cost over £500.00 each one,and they don't pay anything for them,everything is free because of the NHS,I don't know what they would do if they lived somewhere like the USA,it doesn't bear thinking about,

    Freya the Wanderer
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The USA could learn a trainload from Iceland! Health care should be affordable - not free, but affordable - and easily available. Making health care a for-profit system has been an utter disaster.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Then how do you explain that almost all of the medical advancements in the last 60 years have come from the "for-profit" system here in America? This profit is dumped into R&D and the consumer sees the benefits. The ultrasound machine that is mentioned in this post.... American invention in 1957. I can go on and on about American medical inventions/discoveries that are a result of scientists being funded by R&D departments in "for-profit" systems.

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    Louise Brigance
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Was in the ER a couple of weekends ago and had a CAT scan. I remarked to the tech that every time I had one it would cost $190, a PET scan cost $200+ and an MRI with contrast was $360. She stopped looked over at me and said, "You know what they charge you?" Most people don't. It's a damn big surprise. Makes me wonder how did we allow this to happen to ourselves? Why should others be making money off our illness? It's complete BS about research and testing etc. It's about making money.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wrote my thesis on this. I can tell you in a nutshell EXACTLY why nobody (even most doctors) dont know the prices on their services and products

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    Hugo Raible
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm really sorry for all the good people who have to live in a shithole country like the USA. You should organize a caravan to a better country in the North or South.

    PaulV
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Caravans? LOL. Never gonna happen. Oops: https://www.newsweek.com/caravan-americans-crossing-canadian-border-get-affordable-medical-care-1417582

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    AzKhaleesi
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, makes me want to move. I have had a couple of back surgeries and want another, and even though I've had the SAME doctor all these years, my insurance "policies" changed and now I have to start ALL OVER with the mri's threapy etc. When even the doctor admitted many times, it's pointless I already know what your issue is and how to fix it. MRI and Therapy is NOT going to help. So stupid.

    The Chopstick
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have got to live in Iceland. I’m having a MRI done next week. It was scheduled in February. February. To check if my vision was ok. My vision is FINE now, and it’s happening next week. If they told me I had to be checked for a brain tumor, I would not be alive to be “checked”.

    Aaron Little
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a type 1 diabetic and I just got laid off near the end of May. My insurance ran out May 31. I've got 2 pens of Humalog left and about 6 pens of Lantus. My doctor's office gave me a sample pen of each. My endocrinologist PA said her office isn't allowed to have samples any more because some other offices weren't adhering to proper storage and handling standards. I'm hoping the local health department can hook me up. I might be able to get some discounts from the main manufacturers but after the prices skyrocketed over the last year, discounted prices may still be too high. I may end up having to beg and borrow from friends with diabetes on insurance 'cause I'm not paying for COBRA.

    Rachael Stalker
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most people cannot afford COBRA!!! Try to find a community health center in your area!

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    R.s. Potter
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband failed his stress EKG test at the local hospital on a Wednesday morning. He was kept in and had bypass surgery the following Monday morning, then stayed in hospital a little over two weeks. Apart from having to buy some special anti-embolism stockings, there was no charge. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada.

    Ian Sirota
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our health care system blows. I grew up in Canada, and while the Canadian system is far from perfect, no one there ever goes bankrupt because of medical bills or refuses health care because they can’t afford it.

    Matthew Smith
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    12 years ago my parents were on holiday in America, Dad became very unwell, in fact he was in a lot of pain, got to a hospital and they wouldn't even look at him till the insurance had been sorted out. Soon as the hospital got the OK they examined him, long story short my Dad had terminal cancer. He was given 3 months to live which was very accurate. - My Brother had a cancer scare of his own, he had a lump in his Jaw, he had treatment and was cancer free in a short time, cost? NOTHING, NHS treatment.

    Kim Lorton
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is awful! They are letting insurance companies dictate who lives and who dies. Anything cancer related, or the potential for cancer, needs to be fast tracked and taken care of right away! A thyroid do, if medication isn’t given ASAP, will cause all kinds of other health issues and problems! Plus, the medication is so freaking cheap! Do the blood work, and get them to a check with a cardiologist, and Obama-gyn. The thyroid gland produces hormones, and the lack of it or excess amount of it, can cause permanent damage. Call around to get someone to see you right away!

    Betty Santa
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    as a european when i travelled to the US this march my travellers insurance costed as much as if i was going to Syria because of the american "health care" system

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Then dont buy traveler insurance. Its not required. Why would you voluntarily purchase and then b***h about how much it costs? Plus syria doesnt require it either so I smell b******t.

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    Josefine Andersen
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    wanna know why it takes so long in the US. because of money. more visit more money. whereas doctors in Iceland and many other countries dont earn anything by more visit

    Magnús Björgvin Guðmundsson
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm very confused. Just a mammogram for anyone uninsured is 18.855 krónur and seeing a doctor is 7.000. It's still a lot less than in America. https://www.krabb.is/leitarstod/leitarstodin/verdskra/

    Monika Soffronow
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She was working in Iceland at the time, and thus she must have been insured. (7.000 Icelandic krónur is 56 USD)

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    Tahani
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well yeah, Belgium is quite similar... A regular doctor visit is like 27$... I had to go to the hospital for a few tests and if I paid 70$ that was a lot... Prescribed meds are partly reimbursed too. Even dentist visits are partly reimbursed, except when I had two teeth pulled but the grand total of that was 85$....

    Nami Tantrum
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    germany: had a lump, went to see my gyn, go a refferal.. few eks later had a mammogam (ikd if it was warm) got a biopsy in the hospital and a remmoval... had to pay for it because the lump, althhough it caused pain, was seen as good not bad.. maybe 250 € don't know anymore... all in all it took about half a year.. i bet if it was a bad lump i wouldn't have paid anyhing and it would have been done faster... and if i would have private incurrance

    Ueda
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was young, stupid and still living in France, I lost control of by bicycle and went face first into the road. Left ear ripped open and plenty of blood everywhere. An ambulance took me to the hospital, were I waited maybe 5 minutes before having my ear stiched up. I paid nothing and the surgeon did such a good job that the scar is now barely visible. Same for basically all medical treatment. Fast, efficient and free (or very cheap). So yeah, I don't understand why people don't go "vive la révolution" in the US...

    Charlee McWhirter
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    in the US the hospital would accuse you of wrecking on purpose to get pain meds, this is how they treat a patient in pain now.

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    Leo Domitrix
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a citizen of the US with connections in civilized nations... Yes, health care is a human RIGHT and is essential to that sacred American "National Security". Sick people don'tmake a strong society. This is basic common sense. A friend in Germany had a ruptured veterbrae. She had surgery the same day. It took my uncle three months to just get the MRI in the US.... HEALTH IS NOT FOR PROFIT< IT IS FOR HUMAN PROGRESS. OK, soapbox gone now...

    Steve Cruz
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Reportedly, Dunce Trump blabbered during his visit to England that Brexit "puts the expensive British healthcare on the table" -- as if Brits want to get rid of their stellar system. Many papers reported that Brexit is essentially dead because of his statement.

    Whawhawhatsis
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The US dies offer excellent, freehealthcare --to a select few. My husband is a disabled vet from the Vietnam era. When he turned 65, he was able to get onto the VA system. He pays only for his prescriptions -- $8/month (and unlike Medicare, the VA can negotiate prices). Why is he getting excellent care from the VA? Because he worked in military hospitals before retirement so knew the VA system as well, so chose one of the top 4 for our retirement location. Fortunately, he gets excellent care from the frequently broken VA system. Among other things, he was given a full-body scan to check for aortic aneurysms--and they found one, so he had surgery to fix it. The following week. Again, zero cost. The medical staff there resent the free care as much as I did! But he'll pay nothing for the rest of his life. Until I was 65 we paid $600/month for my insurance, plus all the incidental expenses. Medical care in the US is a total joke unless you're one of the lucky few, like him, but not me!

    Daniel Ball
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, but with the VA, it takes months before they get to you. That's what universal healthcare will look like if we ever get it here.

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    Liszt
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately in the US "healthcare" is only a label, it's businesscare... When a nation make healtcare access depending on citizen's econimic condition, i think they completely lost the idea of Community, so the idea any democratic nation is based on... they only do bUSiness...

    Kimberly Young
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This makes me so angry. Yesterday I went to the doctor because of pain in my leg after a fall. She said I need imaging. Radiology is in another building (that requires a train ride to get to) and only open until 5, so I have to go later today, because today they don't open until 11. It'll probably be at least tomorrow unril I get the results. I could have a fractured bone and I could be hobbling around on it for days. I don't even wanna think about the bill (btw, I am a state government employee with government insurance).

    Kjorn
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    so when you're sick take a plane and fly to iceland

    Thomas Duncan
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What I don't understand is why so many Americans are so strongly AGAINST nationalized health care? America is a very bewildering place. It puts the 'exception' in 'American exceptionalism"

    George Novak
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even religious hospitals were incorporated into larger systems with profits going right into private hands. People need to think about this when they go to vote. Right now the US government encourages and even rewards executives who profit off the suffering of others. It is not a fault of the "system", because the system was created by us, the people of the USA.

    George Novak
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I spent 12 years working for the Healthcare industry in America. I saw the change coming, and fear things may never get better. Do you remember all the corrupt bankers and corporate executives who crashed US banks and the stock market? Well, they all found new homes in Heathcare. Why, because most Healthcare organizations are supposed to be "non-profit". That means non-taxible profit is supposed to be reinvested in the system. Better facilities, better pay for staff, modern equipment, etc. Also, some of the money is used to reimburse the system when people cannot afford treatment. All that "extra" money now goes into the pockets of the executives. So, instead of better wages for the staff or helping people afford medical expenses the executives pocket millions of dollars each year. It was very different when I started working in Healthcare in 1988, but things have changed for the worse. Even religious hospitals were incorporated into larger systems with profits going right into private

    Ceredwyn Ealanta
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have seen this discussion frequently on forums, to the point where I'm beginning to recognise stories...but here is mine. I had SPD when pregnant, which meant moving was painful. I dropped a knife, because moving was painful, which sliced through the tendons in my foot - through a tiny hole (it was a freak accident, looked like nothing). I went to a doctor, and the doctor decided there was a problem. He sent me to hospital. The doctor was free, by the way. Eventually, in hospital, I had plastic surgery to reconnect my tendons. I crashed due to pregnancy and needed an emergency drip, a full cast, wheelchair hire, crutches - where was I... Oh yeah. The crutches hire cost me $10. Everything else was free. And that is why I can walk today. And why my country has saved a tonne of money on me by investing in healthcare. And been ethically responsible.

    Amanda Reicha
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm on Medicare for disability due to uncontrollable seizures. The prices of my medications are so high (about $1,000 a month) along with restrictions as to how much I can have so one of my medications has to have two prescriptions for separate mg amounts so I can take the correct dose. I have to take brand name meds that have generics in places like the UK because the USA doesn't allow them unless you have a specific form of epilepsy. So the generics are legal, but held back from everyone using them. It's a nightmare. The cost of surgeries and tests can prevent things that could help from being done. I'm married, but that doesn't change a lot. I hate the way insurance works in the USA. It's all profit.

    Amanda Reicha
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh yeah, Medicare doesn't cover dental or vision on disability, so I have to try to pay out of pocket. I have problems with my teeth I can't afford to fix. I makes me angry.

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    Cheryl Schroeder Grussing
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My Sister was diagnosed in January of 2014, with Stage 4 Breast Cancer Prior to that she had no health insurance because of pre existing conditions. I was diagnosed in March of 2014 with the same breast cancer. Had she been able to see a Dr when she wasn't feeling well, she might be alive today. One week after Obamacare for adults was in effect, she was diagnosed. She fought her heart out to live, and passed away March 5th of 2015. I held her hand while she died. I am blessed to be alive but we both should have lived.

    Betti Fortier
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A few weeks ago I had my teeth evaluated for treatment. Long story short, I have bad teeth - several are very loose and I have lost some as well as having had a ton of dental work done. When I got the total, my jaw dropped and my heart broke. I knew it was going to be expensive but I didn't realize it was going to be that much; I couldn't afford it and couldn't get approved for financing. I went home and did some research. I discovered that for LESS than what the dentist wanted, I could get my passport, fly round trip to Thailand, get all the dental work done, pay for a hotel for two weeks to recover, and STILL have over $1,400 left over for meals and souvenirs. Our system in the US is so broken.

    Betti Fortier
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I went a few weeks ago and had my teeth evaluated for treatment. Long story short, I have bad teeth - really loose, I have lost a lot of them, and have had tons of work already. When they got done with the evaluation, The price made my jaw drop and my heart too. I wasn't going to be able to afford it, not even with insurance. I came home and did some research. For LESS than what the dentist here in the states wanted, I could get my passport, fly round trip to Thailand, have all the work done, and pay for a hotel for two weeks to recover. Plus, I would still have over $1,400 for meals and souvenirs.

    Phil Bowerman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think the American tourist assns understand how much money they are losing because of the money gained by the health care industry.Many of our friends refuse to travel into or fly over the US because of the outrageous health insurance costs. We just came back from 2 weeks in the Caribbean which would have been in Arizona. CANADA, still great!!!

    Rachael Stalker
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The American “healthcare” system is all about power and money. It has very little to with healthcare. I am a nurse practitioner and I opened a clinic in Portland Oregon to treat mental health problems. I knew there is a HUGE need for providers who will treat Medicaid / OHP patients, and Medicaid is well known for paying very little money to the providers that take care of their patients. I thought if I kept my costs low I could afford to see lots of Medicaid patients. Ha ha!!! What a joke!!! I was so wrong!! First of all I did not fit neatly into one of their categories, I was not primary care and was not behavioral health. I practice Integrative Medicine which means medication as needed, and vitamins, improving sleep, diet, exercise, coping mechanisms, positive thought, cognitive behavioral therapy, and life coaching. Medicaid approved me as a provider, but I never got paid for one patient. By not fitting into one of their categories I did not get listed in their provider directories

    Rachael Stalker
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The amount of time and energy that it takes to deal with Medicaid I would have had to hire one or two more people. They also require an electronic medical record. (Each of these prices is very expensive, of course.) I could not afford to see Medicaid patients. I opened the clinic in January and closed it May 10th. I have not had a paycheck since November and now I owe a lot of money for this clinic that I could not even get off the ground. We have gone through three retirement accounts just to live off of during this time. It has absolutely ruined us. I am paying off my student loans and the amount I owe just keeps going higher and higher even though I have been making payments every single month. It has gone up by thousands since I graduated. I will be paying off my student debt until the day I die. This is the American healthcare system!!!

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    Donna Cheung
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not just the US. I live in Hong Kong. When my mum had a Stage IV cancer diagnosis, the public healthcare system gave her an appointment several months away. I suppose they think that since you're in Stage IV and will die of the disease anyway, it's better to just hope that you die before you get to the appointment before they use any expensive drugs on you.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Very good point. When its government funded, the government decides how much value your life has.

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    Shirley George
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In New Zealand for women once you are 45 until you turn 70 you are sent a 2 yearly mammogram appointment. This is free. I couldn't imagine how awful it would be to have the same health system as America.

    Vitaliy Matveev
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same in Russia. My mom had regular mammograms after the menopause and eventually they found a lump (not malignant, fortunately). It turned out it was due to a cyst in her ovary so she decided to remove it. Never paid a penny for anything, including the surgery and hospitalization.

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    Bored Moogle
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Capitalism is evil. They are concerned solely with making money rather than helping people. There's more money to be made treating disease than curing it.

    drtechnno
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Welcome to India. Being a doctor here is thankless job here. We do multiple cases like this from morning to night but still public wants US care!! And in US people are crying to just get a referral to visit the right specialist!!!

    Άρης Παπαδόπουλος
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dear Americans. You can come to almost every EU country for vacation and fix your problems almost free of charge.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why would we freeload off someone else? We work for our stuff. That train of thought is why America has been superior to every other country for the last 100 years

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    Mikael Jünderwater
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Second attempt to post: I am American, moved to Taiwan. Dental and Healthcare are barely $5 to 10 usd a visit. Including procedures and medication if necessary. ER visits are $30, and efficient as heck. To America: bye Sheila.

    Mikael Jünderwater
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Taiwan now, I moved from the US to here several years ago. I got my health back. Dental visits, Doctor visits, including medication for whatever ailment (flu, cold, etc) costs under $5 a visit. Root canal cost me about $10 and was over in less than 20 minutes. Efficient, effective.... and how it should be. I pay my government taxes and it all comes back in the form of efficiency. Well, that sounds good to me. To the US: bye Sheila.

    Brian Adams
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you think Government run healthcare is a great idea you should go to the V.A. hospital for their 'GREAT' service. No, really !

    Steven Cieckiewicz
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here's the rub...when us Americans pine away at how awesome socialized medicine is, know that Scandinavian countries that have such an awesome system -also- have a flat tax in place where -everyone- pays around 40% plus income tax. That's a non-starter in the US, where half of us pay $0 income tax.

    Thomas Collins
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    thankfully I live in the UK (Scotland) my local doctor said I had high blood pressure practice nurse following day for an ECG, anomaly found, off to new $400m local hospital for ECG under load (treadmill) yes something wrong, next off to specialist heart hospital for an angiogram found I need a triple bypass, ok had to wait 4 week for my operation spent the four week in my local hospital, private room, banks of tests then back to Glasgow for operation. after operation on to physio course for 5 months and all medication for ongoing treatment. annual health check no costs my sister in law was in at the same time have a knee replacement all part of the great NHS and no worries about not being able to afford any medical treatment.

    Vincent Philippart
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The author writes that her experience with insurance companies in the US is awful: rest assured, they are awful everywhere. That's why we don't let them run important stuff, like healthcare.

    Bridgit Gilmore
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is that in America we don't have a health care system. We have an illness care system. I am an expat American and have been living in the UK *Scotland* for 20 years. 5 years ago I had horrible pain in my abdomen and thought I was dying. As it was a Saturday night I called ADOC (Ayrshire Doctors on Call). They made an appt for me to come in at 10.30 pm and the GP I saw diagnosed appendicitis and sent me straight to A & E (ER). I checked in there and was quickly taken up to the ward. They monitored me and Sunday night, at midnight, I was taken in for surgery. I was on the high dependency ward from post surgery to Wednesday morning as my BP was so high, and released on Wed afternoon. 4 days in hospital and surgery...NO BILL. Last week I badly (2nd degree) burned my arm with hot oil. ER that night and again on Saturday afternoon to change dressing. Have had 2 change of dressing since at my own GP and still...NO BILL. There is no reason in the world why the US cant do the same

    Vernice Aure
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A big problem in the US is that we are constantly bombarded with messages of how great this country is and how horrible other countries are for whatever the topic of discussion is.

    Robert Pacl
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm 93. When I was a kid, during the depression, our doc had evening office hours. Hospital all day and patients til 2:00 in the morning sometimes A lot of them got free care. They had no money. In an oligarchy, which we now have in basic structure, the poor are there to serve their master, and mortality rate is only significant when it affects the ruling class. Putting insurance companies in charge guarantees failure. Profit is needed to keep them going. Automatic diagnosis and successful treatment, ,prerequisites for profit, are a long way off, if ever.

    Mike
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I may get clobbered for posting this here, but I have a similar story in the U.S. My late wife started having stomach trouble on a Thursday. We went to an urgent care center and had to wait for a doctor. We were seen in 5 minutes by a nurse for the triage and within about 3 minutes the doctor arrived. After just a few minutes describing her symptoms the doc left and returned with another doc to reaffirm his suspicions. We were then taken to a small office where we were made as comfortable as we could be in order to hear their fears. It seemed my wife likely had ovarian cancer. This was at 5:20 Thursday evening. We were immediately scheduled for an oncology appt the next AM at 9:15 and the story unfolded with all the tests and everything. After the setup my wife was scheduled for surgery within a week and chemo to start shortly after that. Oh, my copay was $10 for the urgent care center and no copay for the next appts because she was being admitted to the hospital. My whole

    Mike
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    oops - evidently there are length limits. My whole point is that the U.S. has hundreds of millions of people scattered over millions of square miles. We have thousands of different kinds of health insurance. We believe in paying for your own way, but if you can't there is still care available. It's not top-of-the-line care, but it's shared with others that aren't paying their way either. This story of Iceland's healthcare experience is really great, but how many people live in Iceland? How large is the country? How expensive is their energy system, their roadways and other infrastructure? It's a TINY country with VERY FEW people and geothermal resources that are astounding. What I'm saying is this is comparing apples and oranges. How many people that have great experiences with things come out and write long articles about it? Unless they're trying to make a comparison that denigrates another system. So, to summarize: Options are available if you're willing to work for it.

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    Bunny Wood
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whats all the fuss about? Its only the s**t American system that makes people think this is unusual. Come live in the first world.

    Aroha
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Czech Republic - was hospitalized twice, one major surgery (wait time 2 months since it wasn't urgent), seen several specialist (walk in, no appointment, waited 45min). I had a weird stomach pain, went to see my doctor, she did a scan and one week later I was in the hospital for a better scan. ALL OF THIS IS FREE. Also, I take some medicine weekly, it costs me 0 crowns to pick it up from the pharmacy. I pay the equivalent of 7000 USD in taxes, pension, and health care per year. Yeah, it is totally worth it!!

    Leo H
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm wondering what us the tax rate in iceland?..sure free healthcare..but is anything free...someone is paying alot of taxes so that mammogram machine has a warmer. In america a huge amount of people dont pay any federal taxes...meaning this huge burden of health care cost would be shouldered by the middleclass...which would destroy it.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    45%. all my comments with empirical evidence has been downvoted. Its mob rule here.

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    Leo H
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is the population difference between Iceland and america...no-one can afford healthcare for 380 million people. Im guessing all doctors there are gov employees that cant be sued for malpractice. And no doubt the government runs big pharm there...so there probably no real advancements in medicine..oh wait there is but it is developed in the West ( where healthcare is so expensive)..

    m b
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Firstly, look at the population of Iceland, 338,000 people compared to the US 350,000,000, that is 350 million people compared to 338 thousand. Second, their tax rate is 46%. The cost of living is basically unaffordable, housing and personal transportation is through the roof. For being a socialist nation with such high taxes and a universal right to housing and medical services, why do 70% of senior citizens live below subsistance criteria? Oh, one other major point. Iceland is moving away from the traditional Nordic healthcare system in favor of one more like the.....US. https://grapevine.is/news/2018/05/09/iceland-no-longer-following-nordic-welfare-model/ Comparing other nations models to the US that don't resemble our size, diversity, socio-economic status etc doesn't work, it is not a fair comparison.

    Jerilee Buerck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I lived in Germany in the 80's and worked with some German nationals. I do recall them having great insurance however, sometimes long waits for treatment. Also, I clearly recall them complaining about how much was taken from their paychecks for this. At that time, one girl told me nearly 40% of her paycheck went towards taxes and healthcare.

    AlphaPuck
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was born in Germany and my family came to US when I was 19. Its funny because now Germany is moving toward a capitalistic system. They are opening up more "for-profit" hospitals and the service and wait times at those hospitals are far better than the gov't hospitals.

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    Nadia Bakker
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everything I hear about the US healthcare industry/system sounds like it came straight out of a distopyan, post-apocalyptic story and I'm afraid for anyone I know who lives there. :(

    Anne Howarth
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    From the UK, live in NZ with American grandchildren. Had cancer twice, 30 and 25 years ago. Best prompt treatment that was totally free. Son and his wife still paying the co-pay on the c- section from eight years ago .

    Danielle Amundsen
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As long as the insurance companies pay off the politicians in the US government we will not see any improvement here. They own the House and the Senate and therefore they own us.

    Sunster
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ten years ago I had a medical procedure. Beforehand, I called my insurance twice to ask about how much it would cost. I was told, twice, that all of it would be covered except for the co-pay to meet the deduction. A month after the procedure I was billed $1000. (Which is a lot of money for someone like me with a low salary, especially back then.) When I contacted insurance, I was given the run-around and never given a straight answer, other than something at the procedure wasn't covered by insurance. I ended up paying it rather than fight it any longer because I needed clean credit to buy a house. I hate health insurance in the United States. I hate that even thought I pay for health insurance, I still had to pay a deductible AND for some mystery something that wasn't covered. It's such a joke in this country.

    Susie
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's interesting to me that the feared outcome of universal healthcare by those opposed to it is the exact situation we already have in the US. I wonder how many unnecessary deaths could be avoided with an actual functioning healthcare system here.

    Pan Narrans
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Netherlands here. Had a double correction to my spinal column at 18. Nine months in a plaster body cast thereafter. The whole procedure costs around 500.000 euro in today's money. Needless to say it was payed for with tax payers money. But, without is I would have been permanently in a wheelchair in 15 years. Now I live a normal live with a steady job and happily pay taxes.

    Jim Kang
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I tore my right quadriceps tendon while in Scotland, 45 minute ambulance ride, about 5days in the hospital with major surgery and rehab. I was on vacation from the US, I was told I probably wouldn't be billed. I was billed in the end for...2,000.£ about $3,000. It's hard to wrap my head around that price tag, when with excellent insurance, by American standards, it would have cost a lot more. Forget about the straight up cash price for the kind of injury I had.

    Saritza Velilla
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I went to a dentist after many years of delayed maintenance due to the high cost of dental procedures. At this point, my choices are partial dentures or implants. The estimate I received from my US dentist was a staggering 40,000, not covered by my insurance. I researched other countries and decide to go to Costa Rica. My cost, including 2 trips, lodging and meals was 16,000, I was treated like royalty, stayed in a nice hotel, ate the best foods, explored the beautiful country and had a great time. It just blows my mind.

    RobotPuppy5000
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know this girl! She is my dads friend and I met her and made puppets with her awhile ago!

    Haulien
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was talking to an American friend a while back and the matter of healthcare came up. Basically, maximising freedom is the priority. For example, people would be better off with health insurance. However, you can not force them to purchase it. That would be an infringement on their personal freedom. You can also not make a federal system because then you might be forcing people to pay for other's care. In instances like these, they choose the route of freedom, as it would be an injustice if the government took action against people's personal freedom. They're more concerned with their level of personal freedom over how people are doing. It's up to their own responsibility to make themselves better off with all the freedom that they have.

    Agnes Jekyll
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But some insurers will not accept patients, and certain patients are not covered for everything. Not everyone can afford insurance....the list goes on

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    Raven Hall
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    CURED FROM GENITAL HERPES WITH HERBAL HERBS,It's a pleasure for me to write this testimony about how i got my Genital Herpes cured a month ago. i have been reading so many comments of some people who were cured from various diseases by Dr .Hazim, but i never believed them. I was hurt and depressed so I was too curious and wanted to try Dr. Hazim , then i contacted him through his email when i contact him, he assured me 100% that he will heal me, i pleaded with him to help me out. My treatment was a great success, he healed me just as he promised. he sent me his medication and ask me to go for check up after 21 days of taking the medication. i agreed with him i took this medication and went for check up after 21 days of the treatment, To my greatest surprise my result came out  negative after the treatment, I'm very happy that i was cured and been  healthy again. I waited for 3 weeks to be very sure if I was completely healed before writing this testimony. I did another blood test one w

    deanna woods
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what makes me so angry about the American healthcare system. I have diabetes, depression, anxiety, high blood pressure, and kidney damage. I don't have health insurance so everytime I need to do blood work I have to pay out of pocket. The last time I went in to do blood work, they told me to come back another day. I went in the day I did because it was my day off and they wanted me to come on a day I would be working. I have had some doctors who have tried to work with me, but for the most part the American health care system is a joke.

    Melisa Eva
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's a pleasure for me to write this testimony about how i got my Genital Herpes cured a month ago. i have been reading so many comments of some people who were cured from various diseases by Dr .Hazim, but i never believed them. I was hurt and depressed so I was too curious and wanted to try Dr. Hazim , then i contacted him through his email when i contact him, he assured me 100% that he will heal me, i pleaded with him to help me out. My treatment was a great success, he healed me just as he promised. he sent me his medication and ask me to go for check up after 21 days of taking the medication. i agreed with him i took this medication and went for check up after 21 days of the treatment, To my greatest surprise my result came out  negative after the treatment, I'm very happy that i was cured and been  healthy again. I waited for 3 weeks to be very sure if I was completely healed before writing this testimony. I did another blood test one week ago and it was still Herpes negative. so

    Lemon Garnished Potato
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow. That's just- *frantically scribbling down notes for more dystopian stories* Goodness.

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    Ana B.
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even in Canada, where we have free healthcare, it's closer to the American way. We don't have to pay for it, yes, which is a HUGE advantage, but it takes months and months to get a referral. My mom has many medical problems, and she's had to suffer for years because doctors don't take her seriously and it takes like 8 months sometimes for her to get a referral. It's horrible, and I can't imagine how much worse it would be in the US.

    Trash Panda
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't stand it when some "I know better than you" politician wants to tell us about how awful healthcare is in other countries and that there is no way to have a system like that of other countries. My first question to my congressman in GA was, "Have you ever been overseas or to any other country for healthcare?" I spent almost 2 years in Canada and I was amazed how painless the process was. I paid $60 a month for national coverage and when I had to see the doc it cost nothing extra. A prescription I needed cost $13 in BC. The same medication in the states? $122

    Modesty Pilgrim
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t have insurance so I can’t see what the lump in my breast is, and if I did have insurance they said I’m too young for a mammogram, but if I have cancer I can get one, true words that we’re spoken by the young lady behind the desk.

    Mary E Willemsen
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our healthcare system is appalling. The stories that people here shared are not unusual. When I ask people why they don't want a revised healthcare system they talk about tax increases and not being provided services after a certain age - all of which is complete c**p. I actually had an emergency doctor tell me that too many people would abuse the system and show up for care they don't need. What??? I told him I would be willing to pay higher taxes if it gave people the ability to get the care they needed whether it's physical or mental health. If your population is healthy, your country is healthier.

    Leo H
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's be honest getting a mammography in most 1st world countries isnt cutting technology.. I serious doubt the gov of Iceland is pouring millions into designing new tech or creating new medicine to say cure cancer. They are most likely years behind the us when it comes to healthcare options. It's easy to just piggyback and buy a mammogram machine...but it cost millions to research,design and test this medical tech or a new drug....this is why healthcare cost so much in the us. The hospital in Iceland gave a mammogram...it's not like the cured cancer..

    Leo H
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine if you could go to the doctor in America for free. The only reason you can get into your doctor's now is because people like me that have no insurance and can't afford it. Give it to me for free and I'm going..for every lil cough,scratch or any health screening. So ofcourse healthcare would be limited,restricted,long waiting lines..the quality of healthcare would suffer because doctors would be gov employees and could only earn so much.. Free healthcare is a pipedream

    Mainza Munsanje
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Zambia, noticed I had a breast lump in 2014, saw a doctor said it was nothing and it would go. It grew and I went to see him again, said it was nothing (no mammogram examination). I sought a 2nd opinion, took me 4 months to get an appointment and which point it shrunk, I went in and was told it'll finish since it was shrinking on it's own (I waited 4 months to be told it'll shrink to nothing) 2017 it was there again and when I asked a family friend who is a retired nurse, she advised me to get it and my hormones checked. New hospital, 2 months till I could be seen, docto

    Mainza Munsanje
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ^doctor feels around, and tells me come back in 6 months, if it's not gone, we'll schedule an operation. 6 months later, I'm back, lump has grown, they send me to do a mammogram, they see the lump and say it is benign, but they'll remove it

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    Si
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But Iceland has a tiny population. Places are more humane that way. The problem comes when you have lots of rats in the same cage.

    Chris Miilu
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's even worse in China; they have no Medicare or private insurance carriers. My friend was hospitalized for 3 weeks; he paid first two and ran out of money. A friend paid for a third week until he was taken off the I.V. Now home trying to live on p-t work

    Georgina Saunders
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm British and have enjoyed free awesome healthcare courtesy of the wonderful NHS my whole life. All UK citizens have benefited from the NHS either personally or through a friend or relative. Almost all of us were born in NHS hospitals completely free of charge. We love it and would never give it up. My husband was transferred to Canada for work and we worried that the healthcare would be expensive. 5 months in, he fell and broke his wrist whilst ice skating. We went to the local hospital, it was 10:30pm on a Saturday. He was checked in, sen by a doctor, x-rayed put in a cast and out the door in 90 mins flat. No bill as we had joined the Alberta Health system and had our cards. I salute the Canadian healthcare system!

    Amina Hays
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The American health service is just outrageous. I have loads of health problems requiring a ton of medication and investigations/procedures/surgeries and if I lived over there I'd be truly f***ed. My uncle's friend was American and he died because he couldn't afford treatment. That's disgusting.

    Claes Gustavsson
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This sounds like Sweden. I have been sick this year (Psoriasis) and been so taken care of, though it's a long process handled fast for no money at all. What you spend on Netflix. And the nurses … In the US, it would have cost me a fortune and propably my life. I would kill myself. It's worth your tax money.

    Claes Gustavsson
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That sounds like Sweden. I don't know about lumps, but have been sick recently and treated so well. In the US, I would have killed myself.

    Valerie Lessard
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Iceland has a population of around 300,000 while the u.s has a population of around 300 MILLION. Therefore of course appointments and referrals are needed. If people were to just walk in as they please the system would be even more overloaded. Yes, healthcare in most countries need restructuring and I agree it is a human right and should be better resourced and managed, but you're comparing a massive country, both geographically and demographically, to a tiny one. Instead of comparing yourselves to Scandinavian countries, create a system that'll work well in yours . Appointments and referrals work well in Australia because people have a tendency to overload the system unnecessarily and abuse it because it's free (if you don't count the Medicare levy). For a cancer centre to do things in the automatic fashion that you described, you'd need about 500 or more of them in one state. It's unrealistic to expect Icelandic standards anywhere else.

    John Napier
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the waiting times are because of other appointments. The doctor doesn't just check out for months. So, we have a finite resource that is in too high a demand. The governments solution is to increase the availability and demand for a finite resoource. Anyone see a problem here?

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    Jackie Stevens
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is good and bad in both systems.....Iceland’s total population is half of Seattle. Wa. The UK, Denmark, France, Italy, and Canada have substantially less people than the US. The red tape for 300 million people will be a nightmare. I am a 68 year old throat cancer patient, who was allowed to get genetically tested and put on Keytruda (an immunology drug) immediately, and have stayed on said drug for 2 years. I’m in contact with a 38 year old mother of two in the UK.....they won’t give her Keytruda, even though she has the genetic fault, and Keytruda could possibly cure her UNTIL she completes 9 months of chemotherapy....horrible, sick, mouth sores, type chemo. Why? It costs a lot....she said to me that they hope she dies before they have to spend any money on her. In the UK, I wouldn’t have gotten ANY Keytruda because I’m too old.

    Kelleher Maher
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I won’t deny that American healthcare has significant problems, but there’s a lot of comparing of apples and oranges in this post and the responses. This is a woman who found out very quickly that she did not have a medical problem. I’ve been sent by docs in the US immediately to an x-ray or ultrasound and found out within 24 hours that I did not actually have a health problem too. The real test of a healthcare system is not how quickly and cheaply someone with no problem finds out they have no problem but how thoroughly and cost effectively someone is treated when they actually do have a problem - and how it differs among socioeconomic groups and geographic locations within the country.

    Christine Bandaly
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are comparing apples to oranges - when a population consists of less then 400,000 people total it is easy to offer free and great healthcare. *United States/Population 327.2 million (2018) *Iceland/Population 338,349 (2017)

    Christopher Busch
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This Icelandic model sounds idyllic, but in America, such a system appears to be positively ripe for abuse. America is loaded with freeloaders, cheapskates, and hypochondriacs who would clog the system if it were "free". The American system is obscenely expensive, spectacularly complicated, and not particularly effective, but I have zero answers on how to fix it.

    Joannie Goulet
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Canada. Here we have free healthcare but it takes weeks or even months to be seen by a doctor. I wish our health system was that efficient.

    Christina Ciccarelli
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    continued....D. The US education system is based on profit, doctors pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to become certified, this isn't going away anytime soon. When you can solve any of the above, then you can start questioning the morality of those that don't wish to chuck half their paycheck toward an already utterly doomed to fail system.. Let the flaming begin!

    Christina Ciccarelli
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I write this with the understanding that I am going to take abuse for it. Have at at. That being said: While I think that the efficiency is absolutely fantastic and everyone should think like this when designing cancer clinics.. You cannot compare Iceland to the US because of the following - A. Iceland is not a country that is flooded on the daily with immigrants, legal or otherwise. While some of these may have the best of intentions, they are not immediately wage earning citizens that contribute to the whole. What amount of tax are you personally willing to pay to subsidize all of these people? B. Iceland doesn't have citizens that don't work for the most part, there are huge areas of the US where welfare is the way to go, none of these people will ever contriubute toward the whole. C. The system of litigation in the US is such that everyone will sue at the drop of a hat, and for MILLIONS. Insurance companies base their rates on having to pony up those payouts. continued.......

    Reginald Joseph
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Christina, the US is not a country with a bunch of free-loading welfare dependents who will never work. In Iceland 9% of the population live below the poverty line, 13% are at risk, and 7.7% of people under 24 live on welfare, and the country-wide average is 4.4%. In the US, immigrants work. They come to the US to work, to make money and they take jobs "Americans" will not work. Who do you think picks your tomatoes for slave wages? As for suing, that is because there is no societal network to care for people whose health is damaged. They have no choice put to sue in order to stay alive. Break the cycle by caring for your own citizens.

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    John Adams
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ah well, America get's what it deserves for voting trump and greed !

    Cindy Snow
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dont be silly. This has been the case since way before Trump. He kinda sucks but you can't blame this on him.

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    Mark Szeman
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to rain on anyone's parade, but.. Iceland (the country) has the same approx. population as Anaheim California (1 city). The system they have there doesn't scale to somewhere as big as America, given the number of doctors in the US. Ask people in England what their Health care system is like, Socialist systems don't work on massive scales stop using these things as examples.

    Mark Szeman
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to rain on anyones parade, but ... Iceland (the country) has the approx. same population of Anaheim California (1 city) The system they use there doesn't scale to somewhere as large as America given the number of Doctors there are in America.

    Daniel Ball
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the answer to the US medical issue is not getting insurance at all. No fighting with insurance, and since you don't have insurance, you tell the hospital that you'll pay in cash. Hospital doesn't have to fight with insurance on how much they'll pay (which is why things are so expensive here), the hospital will give you the actual cost of the care which is probably 75% less than the insurance rate.

    Miguel Denyer
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a former Brit living in the US, I can say unequivocally that while it isn't perfect, the US system is better than the UK... I'm alive because of it... I'd be dead by now, just like my parents, if I had to rely on the UK National Health. My father was diagnosed with hypernephroma - a form of kidney cancer... when it was initially detected, he had a small, "pea-sized" tumor on his right kidney... he was told that a simple nephrectomy would cure him completely - HOWEVER... because of the National Health system, he was placed on a waiting list for said operation... the problem is that Cancer doesn't stop while people wait for operations - by the time they got around to getting him in for said operation, it was too late - he died a month later. Likewise, my mother was found to have colon cancer - she too had to play the waiting list game for a simple LIFE SAVING operation and yet she too died as a result of having to wait. Also, it's not free in the UK, TAXPAYERS foot the bill...

    knittin' kitten
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have the most complex and mysterious disorder my orthopedic surgeon has ever seen. He pushed me up the list to the front of the line. the front of the line is 6 months from now as a Canadian I fortunately don't need to worry about insurance for this so my waiting 6 months doesn't seem to be unjustifiable, but if you can get an entire cancer screen from start to finish in an hour. I waited 6 months for an MRI and then another six months for the surgery when it cripples me to the point of I'm having to use a walker at 30 I wish they would hurry things along a little bit. apparently there's nine different issues 4 different tears extra bone growth missing catrelage and expanded joints. I get to wait a year at least I'm being seen it all. my stepfather's back has 2 pinched nerves a bulged disks spinal stenosis a hole in his sacrum joint etc. they can do something they just dont want to and because people are worse than him he can suffer. Um he cries and occasionally screams in agony if that's not bad what is? Canada the best "free" health care but s**t care in comparison to most places. I'll pay 3 bucks to be treated with respect and get exact care needed

    Reginald Joseph
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm really sorry. That sounds awful. I had excellent care in Canada, but it can vary and I have had horrible doctors. I hope you get the care you need and the respect you deserve.

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    Sanchez Vasile
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sure, every country has its regulating mechanisms and some see the trap earlier when they become victims themselves. But for those where the satanists see their own populations as a simple pool for sacrifices, the only solutions is to kill one of them for each one of you. or to destroy them totally when they attack a different country. That's why if monstrous things happen, everybody is accomplice - these mechanisms exist, they are just not applied!

    MingJai
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    5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why do people keep saying it's free in their country? It's not free. There's no such thing. You all pay for it in taxation. No one is working in the medical industry in those countries for free. The medicine isn't produced and given for free. Someone pays for it. Also comparing the country of Iceland that has a much smaller population to the US with a much larger population with 50 states that have their own health laws, policies. Don't get me wrong. THe US healthcare industry isn't perfect by any stretch. But it's a gross oversimplification to say the US could just change it to something else overnight.

    Agnes Jekyll
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're right, nothing is free--but some things are worth paying for, and denying citizens access to health care actually costs US citizens more than universal health care does.

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    joi
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    wouldn't see a rip-off american doctor if you paid me, and it's unlikely you will since at 59 and a decade post stroke and a lifetime of transcribing the asshats i don't believe they do a very good job and i honestly don't believe most people need much medical care. those little owies will heal themselves. if you've got something really wrong, like my friend's kid with Behcet disease, I understand you're doomed to put up with their c**p, but really, how many people who do you know who really need a doctor and how many are just attention whoring?

    wusah
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    If we had as many people living in the US as there are there, it would pretty much be the same. PS I dont need a referral to go to the doc.

    Marlowe Fitzpatrik
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't get it, either. If you have more people, you also have more people paying into the public insurance. So it wouldn't really matter how many people live in your country, since more people also mean more money. If you're saying that there are more POOR people under the poverty-line relative to the size of the population, that would then be indeed a problem. Might mean there needed to be more changes than JUST The health-care-system, like better minimum wages, for example

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    Emmy
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    BUT they take 60% of your salary every 2 weeks. Funny how that always is ignored.

    Reginald Joseph
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    5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But when you get sick in America, you either die or lose all of your money and become homeless.

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