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Divorce lawyer Dustin S. McCrary, who is the founder of the Law Office of Dustin S. McCrary, has seen a fair share of battles over child custody, alimony and spousal support, property distribution, and domestic violence, and according to him, the legal professional is extremely draining.
"When you choose to be a lawyer, you are choosing a path that often requires putting in long hours to study and prepare for each case," he wrote. "Clients can be demanding [and] your assignments can start off as fairly low stakes and shift into stressful high-stakes scenarios overnight." After all, it can be difficult to disconnect yourself from the lives of your clients.
So when Reddit user Brainstew__ asked lawyers to describe the most memorable cases they have ever worked on, the discussion was quickly fiilled shocking, bizarre, and sometimes downright unbelievable stories from the courtroom and beyond.
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#1
One of my close friends is an environmental lawyer primarily defending individual landowners in corporate cases where discharge or pollution has occurred, or where water rights are in contention.
A couple years back, there was a case where a well-known manufacturer of latex paints was found to be poisoning a local wetland (a big f*****g deal in my state) with runoff, and the state authority in charge of wetlands preservation took them to court. In a grandstanding effort to demonstrate to the judge that the chemical being discharged near the water could not possibly be toxic to the wildlife, a rep for the company brought a powdered form of the chemical in and mixed it with a glass of water there and then, intending to drink it dramatically in front of the court.
The glass (actually plastic, but still) *melted right there on the table*.
The case was settled out of court the same day.
Karina 1 year ago
Pollution of important wildlife areas from industry run-ofs and similair is so common that you probably have a hard time finding innocent parties..
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Julia Mckinney 1 year ago
And he wins the gold for the category of "best use of a prop that wins his opponent's case for them".
Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
They did that in Erin Brockovich too, and in 'A Civil Action'.
Martin Blaney 1 year ago
It's as if that movie were true. Remember, "based on a true story" means it is mostly BS.
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Nikki Angulo 1 year ago
I don’t think she was defending them then, she would have representing them.
Richard Pennington 1 year ago
If you're going to do a demo, have a practice run in private before trying it in public.
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#2
I’m not a lawyer but I worked in a foreclosure mediation/diversion court as a counselor.
Usually it was people with bad luck, unemployment or addiction that lead them there. Heavy stuff but became run of the mill.
One guy I will never f*****g forget. He comes in and at first it looks like a standard unemployment deal. There are programs with mortgage companies to deal with. He was a dock worker, made pretty good money, but hadn’t worked for 6 months and was about to lose the house. I ask for his story and he tells me it all started 20 years ago. His older son was in the army in Korea at a base on deployment and his younger son was at a high school party in their town. Apparently he gets into it with another kid over a girl, and the kid grabs a barbecue fork and stabs the son in the neck. His youngest bleeds out before an ambulance arrives. The older son is devastated because he wasn’t there to protect his brother.
The father and mother end up divorcing over the grief. But older son returns, makes a life. Has a couple young kids and it all seems good. But six months prior he just walks into his garage and shoots himself in the head. Leaves a note that he can’t live with not having been there for his baby brother even after all these years.
So my client goes into a depressive state, stops working, stops paying bills. Just can’t deal with the grief and destruction of his family that that one event emanated. What pulled him out of almost killing himself was that the guy who killed the younger son came up for parole. He went and spoke against him getting out and then realized he had to live for his grandkids.
I still think about that dude regularly, grief is so f*****g powerful it pulsates out and destroys if you don’t have the right support.
Joe Reaves 1 year ago
And I bet he now has guilt over not realising how badly his son was still suffering too. the family of people who end their lives usually feel like they should have seen the person's pain and done something.
Julia Mckinney 1 year ago
The person posting this worked for a foreclosure mediation company so they were trying to figure out ways he could keep his home. Nothing to do with employment.
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I used to work as a legal secretary for a personal injury lawyer. He told me about a case where his client had radiation burns from an x-ray machine. In the avalanche of documents he received from the defendant during discovery, he found an internal memo. The memo described a serious problem with the machines and continued: "This is an issue we can't ignore... unfortunately, it's not in the budget".
When the case went to trial, he told the jury, "Show them they need to put this in the budget next time." The jury complied, handing down one of the largest verdicts California had ever seen.
Karina 1 year ago
In norway they would fix this, by converting even more fulll time nurse positions into part time potitions..and fiering some porters.
Avoidance_Panda 1 year ago
In the UK, We would employ an external independent consultant to carry out a full spectrum assesment over the course of a year, while at the same time ensuring an inclusive and holistic approach to the consultation phase. Then we would implement a 12 phase project to develop sustainability and financial cost savings by hiring more managers to oversee the 12 phase project, who in turn employee a team of highly skilled analytical graduates to ensure project cohession. In the real world as it should be, Bob who's been doing the job for 30 years is told to fix the problem, Bob finds the part needed for £100 and over night delivery is £25. Bob is given £125, and some over time to thank him for his help. NHS needs more Bobs.... The world needs to be more like Bob....
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#4
I will answer for my lawyer friend because he used the words, “This is the most f****d up case I’ve ever worked.” Basically, my friend is a prosecutor with the DA’s office and was assigned a child sexual abuse/torture case. The defendant was the child’s step-father.
The abuse happened from the time the child was 9 to 14. She’s 17 now and testified to all the things her step-father did over those 5 years.
The “f****d up” part came when the defense attorney tried to blame the girl for “allowing” everything to happen to her and of course, since the girl is now a very attractive teenager, used the “she was just too sexy and biologically, the step-father couldn’t control himself” defense.
My friend was watching the jury while the defense was cross examining the girl, and saw so many head nods as though the jury agreed with the idea that a kid in 5th-8th grade allowed herself to be constantly r*ped and tortured.
Thankfully, the jury did decide to convict the step-father but it took a lot of work, partly from myself as the girl’s therapist and expert witness on child abuse and delayed outcries, for the jury to convict.
I think both my friend and I lost a little bit faith in humanity that day. Both after hearing the defense and seeing certain jury members agree with the idea that a child consented to any kind of abuse.
Now the girl and I are having to continue therapy. While she’s done an incredible job working through the abuse, she’s now exhibiting trauma symptoms from testifying in court.
Sergy Yeltsen 1 year ago
That is horrific. I understand that the defendant needs defending, but to use that line? And for the jury to think it's okay, and a valid reason? And the judge to not stop it? I just cannot understand. No wonder victims of sexual assault claim they feel assaulted twice - once by the perp, and once by the court process.
Auntriarch 1 year ago
Any lawyer who uses that line as an excuse has themselves committed an offence
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Sami-Jo Ross 1 year ago
Anyone who victim-blames a rape victim deserves to have their junk branded with a rusted iron.
Jess Smith 1 year ago
anyone who victim-blames a rape victim will, if a crime is committed against them, have two coins flipped to determine if there will be a trial. If both are heads there is. After the trial, if the result is guilty, two more coins will be flipped. If both are heads, the result stands. If not, it is rejected. And their names will be published in a publicly accessible database. Alternately to get removed from the database they could waive all their legal protections.
Load More Replies... Rob D 1 year ago
There have been sitting republican judges confirmed as sleeping with 14 year olds. Think their conservative christian, every child -is-precious a*s voters had a thing to say?
James016 1 year ago
They think every child’s a*s is precious given how this case went
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UKGrandad 1 year ago
The OP is making some pretty big assumptions about the jury here, starting with 'as though they agreed'. 'As though' is doing all the work in that sentence because the OP can't know what they were thinking. I have a habit of nodding when somebody is saying something outlandish. It's a natural sarcastic response, not agreement. As for the amount of work they said they had to do for the jury to convict; again, there's no way of knowing how much convincing they needed. As an expert witness for the prosecution then obviously their job is to give as much information as possible to ensure a conviction, but they should do that in every case regardless of the impression they have of the jury. The way that was written sounds like OP wouldn't try so hard if the jury looked sympathetic to the prosecution case, and that is highly unprofessional. It looks to me as though OP has a touch of 'main character' syndrome going on.
Timothy Patel 1 year ago
I find that a very strange reaction to hearing something outlandish. If you hear someone saying "I murder the person because I didn't think the person tipped enough", your reaction is to nod in agreement??? What do you do when you agree with something? Shake your head?
Load More Replies... Carney 1 year ago
I wonder if this was one of my cases? Not really, but it could have been. I'm a clinical social worker who specializes in working with child victims. Over my nearly 30 years in the profession, I've heard so many horror stories. Not just about abusers, but about the justice system that re-offends the child. I've heard judges question children as young as 4-5 about their culpability in abuse. I've heard judges blame the wife for her husband's sexual predation. Cases where a teen is raped by a family member and then accused of encouraging the rape by the way they dress or what they say/do. Our justice system has a great deal to answer for when it comes to protecting children.
#5
I'm not a lawyer, but I work closely with a lot of lawyers and see the same stuff they do.
There was a case where a lady had been a victim of human trafficking and was kidnapped in her home country and sold into a prostitution ring in the U.S. She escaped, applied for asylum, told the FBI and whatnot everything she knew about her kidnappers and the others who bought her (putting her life in major danger), and was told that's all it would take to get her asylum and permanent residency taken care of.
F*****s still tried to deport her. Don't worry. She won her case, but only because one of the top attorneys in New York (if you know of a lot of attorneys in NYC, you've probably heard about this one) took the case on pro bono. It was wild to me how hard ICE fought to get her sent back and how intense that case got.
athornedrose 1 year ago
absolutely horrific. it's appalling that ICE exists let alone goes out of their way to deport individuals who've not just been through traumatic ordeals, but have actually, at great personal risk, gone out of their way to provide huge amounts of valuable insight and information to us. i'm so glad to hear she won her case.
BrunoVI 1 year ago (edited)
ICE lets all the bad guys stay, and makes media examples of the hard cases. They do it deliberately. The top bosses want to destroy the immigration laws. Every life they ruin is a propaganda win.
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strawberry sorbae 1 year ago
Could be because ICE is somewhat involved in human trafficking. Like that incident where they "lost" a few hundred women and didn't tell anyone where they went? I'm willing to bet the poor woman was sold to an ICE official and they were trying to cover their tracks. I hope she's doing okay now.
David 1 year ago
ICE didn't lost the women, ICE does not handle that, they handle enforcement and detention. After a judge orders them to go (which is what happened with those people) after a hearing, ICE has no more jurisdiction until the miss their followup immigration hearing or violate the terms. These women were lost by Immigration and Naturalization Service
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Spencer's slave no longer 1 year ago
Just 5 days ago, Chrystul Kizer, sex trafficking victim, was jailed in Milwaukee for killing her trafficker. There's a horrible back story involving the sub-human who trafficked not just Chrystul but other girls, all black, too. Have a read about this particular "justice".
David 1 year ago
I live in NY, this case was back in June of 2017 when ICE tried to deport the woman, however the signed order to deport after the trial was over was authorized in December 2016. So while the attempt was from Trumps admin, the order was under Obama
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Sven Horlemann 1 year ago
And then they stand up and say "We are the good people". Disgusting.
Bored Trash Panda 1 year ago
I think people who work for ICE were massive racist bullies in high school and this is a way they think they can legally get away with it.
#6
There were cases in the UK during the Falklands war in the 80s where the government claimed bullet wounds and lost limbs due to minefields were "incidental" injuries and not related to the fighting.
Like people just randomly generate holes in their chests and limbs fly off during birthday parties etc.
The government's own records showed they were "buying time" in order that the claimants would hopefully die of their injuries and the cases could be shut down.
P Peitsch 1 year ago
Yeah, the UK, the USA of Europe, At least, they are no more in EU.
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Tabitha 1 year ago
Blame Thatcher and the Conservatives for that. They were a really callous bunch of a******s. Still are. Just look at the b******t they pulled in recent years, culminating in that Brexit b******t, and the rank mismanagement of government money, nearly bankrupting the National Health Service to boot. I would demand to know whose pocket the f*****g tax money went, if I lived in the UK. Believe me, I continually ask the same of my representatives here in the US, even though one side (hint: their color is red) doesn't seem to welcome such transparency, because it would expose their crimes.
Broadredpanda 1 year ago
I also know that in some countries, PTSD was massively ignored. How I see it is that just because you can't actually see an injury, doesn't mean you're ok. It's f*****g horrendous for those injured and have life changing consequences because of those injuries! If you can't see injuries doesn't mean they're not suffering! PTSD has left many men/women with equally debilitating mental health. I'm so very glad that here (uk) are striving to make mental health the norm and are just as important as any physical health! We still have a way to go, but it's a huge topic being discussed here all the time. No-one should suffer ANY illness alone whether mental or physical.
Colleen Glim 1 year ago (edited)
I broke my shoulder in April and have been cursing at my arm because it doesn’t do what I want it to do despite of many weeks of physio. I can’t imagine losing a limb in a war and your government telling you the equivalent of “too bad, so sad.”
Load More Replies... Auntriarch 1 year ago
Perfectly normal. That's why it took so long to get compensation for servicemen who were present at atomic testing in the 50s. So lucky my dad was only there for the last one and hasn't had any effects.
Broadredpanda 1 year ago
Well thatcher was as are many government bodies. If you're American? I wouldn't say another word! If you're not I apologise!
Load More Replies... Joe Reaves 1 year ago
Standard practice for the UK government. They delayed and delayed on the infected blood scandal in the hopes people would die too. People suspect they're doing the same in the Windrush scandal too.
Chewie Baron 1 year ago
They’re also doing the same with the amount of compensation they want to give for former members of the Armed Forces ho we’re either kicked out or imprisoned just because they were gay or lesbian.
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𝖊𝖜𝖔𝛋 1 year ago
Then you hear of people making up injuries, or saying they were so traumatised from the events they can no longer sweat (or couldn’t at the time). Without naming names they are a very famous individual who has contributed nothing to society and deserves to be in prison. I had never heard of this before, it’s shameful! Why is this not more widely known? And makes me even madder that this individual faked a medical condition as a result of being in the Falklands to try and get away with a crime.
#7
I normally defend construction defect and personal injury matters, nothing too crazy. Early in my career we got a case involving a husband and wife who ran a foster home and one kid was alleging the husband had molested them. I was assigned to defend only the wife under their homeowners insurance policy. The allegations against the husband were bad, but the wife had no idea what was going on. Here was this poor woman, who was also a former foster child, trying to give back and help other foster children in the system, and now she finds out her husband is a child molester. It was heartbreaking and we just wanted to get her out of the case. Then we get more documents and learn this isn't the first child to make allegations. The dad had been doing this s**t for years and she knew it. Maybe she was involved, maybe she just ignored it, either way the whole thing turned f*****g gross. I instantly wanted nothing to do with it. A few weeks later, my boss (the coolest guy ever) comes in and says he gave the case back to the insurance carrier, thank god. That was the only case I've ever felt morally opposed to handling.
EDIT: I should also clarify that once a lawyer takes on a case it's not that easy to just say "actually I changed my mind". I don't know what my boss did to get rid of that case but I'm glad he was equally grossed out.
Joe Reaves 1 year ago
Hone owners Insurance covers you for legal liability up to a certain amount. That's why there was that case where the aunt was dragged through the s**t on the internet for suing her nephew because he ran and hugged her and caused her to fall and get injured. It wasn't a rift in the family with her being evil like she was portrayed. The only way she could get her medical bills and work related losses covered was to sue at which point the home insurance would cover it because they were legally liable for the actions of their minor child.
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#8
Legal assistant here. Worked on a case where a male nurse sexually assaulted bedridden patients at a low income nursing home. F*****g horrifying. One of the women had a hip fracture. Worse part is that they complained to staff and no one listened to them for the longest time because they were old and didn’t have a lot of family. We represented the women and were suing the nursing home, and in our research uncovered tons of other lawsuits across the country alleging all sorts of negligence at other nursing homes runs by the parent company (called SavaSeniorCare, if anyone wants to know where to never send their older relatives!).
Huddo's sister 1 year ago
My dad is adamant he doesn't want to go in to a nursing home because of things like this and physical abuse and neglect that came out during an Australian royal commission into age care. It wasn't limited to one company of homes either.
Ms.GB 1 year ago
I had to quit my job because my mom needs full-time care. Let's just say we could be doing a lot better financially but there's no way in hell I'm putting my mom in a home because of stories like this.
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Montanavanna 1 year ago
I was a caretaker for a few years. I had an elderly client that did not have any family left, never had kids. She was a very interesting woman that spoke multiple languages, worked in forestry and had a few books published. She worked very hard all her life so she could age out in her own mountain cabin. She had dementia and needed 24 hour care by the time I got there but hey, she planned for just this occasion. The firm managing her money lost all of it and we had to explain to her everyday why we had to pack up all her belongings so she could move to a nursing home. She was so confused because her memory told her she had the money to remain in the home she loved so much. Very sad and made me so angry for her.
Shark queen 🦈🦈🦈 1 year ago
This is why I did my research and I have had my nursing home picked out since freshman year of highschool. It's the home for baba yagas. Their motto is old people taking care of other old people. It's woman only and you only go to the doctor once a month unless it emergency. They go and they ride bikes. They go on trips.
Colleen Glim 1 year ago
I am my mother’s power of attorney. I will fight to the death about a decent care home where the residents are respected. And they do exist. Google reviews. Talk to other residents. Do this before your loved one needs long term care
Leoninus Fate 1 year ago
this is why I took on the care of my mom and aunt when they were no longer able to care for themselves, they got put in a home hospice, .. I cleaned their bottoms and their Porta toilets, I even gave baths, fed them, everything and anything they wanted I went and hoped to it~!... I loved them, my mom passed on May, 22nd, 2023, and my aunt on July, 4th, 2024 ... I couldn't think of someone making them feel bad, I always got what I wanted when sick... so now they could, and they did~
Two Cat Studio 1 year ago
I just googled them & there is one in Sandy Springs, GA. Avoid at all costs!
Seadog 1 year ago
Try to put me in one or in a rehab you better be superman because I'll take out anyone who tries even if it means ripping off their head. My mom went to a rehab (Mulberry Creek) after falling and breaking her hip. She's dead because of what they did and didn't do for her there.
#9
It was a family law matter. I was a newly-minted attorney who couldn’t find work in the early 2010s and took anything that came to me. It was a custody battle. I represented the mom. The dad lived with his father (grandfather) who had been convicted TWICE of r*ping other grandchildren. Easy case, right? No. Because Mom absolutely forbade me from bringing the grandfather’s convictions before the judge. Said he made 'some mistakes,' and while she wanted full custody, of course, she felt bad that grandfather’s 'past mistakes' might be used against him in the future, forever. I brought it up to the judge anyway. She fired me on the spot, during oral arguments. She ended up suing me. It was a mess. Would do it again.
Auntriarch 1 year ago
I don't understand this behaviour. When I was born, my mother already had an escape plan in case my dad turned into something else (he's a pussycat with rock solid ethics, but I guess she'd seen it happen before to other people). And this was in the 1950s. She would have killed anyone who'd done anything remotely like that. In fact she probably still would. Everyone deserves a mother, and father, like mine. However...
Broadredpanda 1 year ago
A peadophile will ALWAYS BE A PEADOPHILE!!! I question both of these parents thinking? Neither should have these children!!! I don't give a s**t what anyone else thinks either. A mother who's prepared to let her children be around a peadophile or be around the father who is living with one, or a father that has NO problem being around a NoNcE who RaPeD other grandchildren! (His nieces or nephews) OMG WTF is wrong with these people? I don't care if he served his time. These evil disgusting MFs should NEVER EVER GET OUT OF PRISON!!! If my ex husband went to stay with a NoNcE it would be YOU'RE NOT EVER GOING TO SEE YOUR CHILDREN!!! Those children need to be removed ASAP period!!!
The Starsong Princess 1 year ago
The reason people like this mother behave this way is because it is normal to them. And that’s incredibly awful.
Michael Largey 1 year ago
It wouldn't help. Pedophilia is a disease of the mind, not the genitals. They would continue by another means.
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Leslie Richardson 1 year ago
if mom wanted full custody the grandfather's past didn't need to be brought up in legal docs. u should have been sued
#10
TL;DR: lady wanted to show me her vagina, it just happened to not be attached to her body.
I already told one shocking story in this thread, but I got another that is a different kind of shocking.
I was pretty new to the practice and was meeting with a lot of clients. The firm I worked for had a lot of walk-ins and I was processing the potential clients.
I called in the next person and a mid-30s women walked in carrying a red and white cooler. She pops in down on my desk and the spends about 5 mins trying to sit down in the chair. My first thought was "must be some kind of personal injury."
First words out of her mouth after she sits, "I need to sue my doctor because my vagina just fell out."
My eyes immediately lock onto the cooler.
"Is...that?"
"Yes. I brought in with my just in case you needed to see it. Do you want to see it?" She begins to open the cooler.
Not gonna lie..I was curious but I stopped her and convinced her that a hospital was her best option at the moment.
Turns out she had vaginal reconstruction and the mesh came out in one big blob. Now, this is not my area of expertise. I am a corporate attorney. So I sent her to someone with more expensive.
Edit: meant experience not expensive but both are true so I'll let it stand.
SheamusFanFrom1987 1 year ago
TIL: There is such a thing called vaginal reconstruction. TIAL (Today I Also Learnt): Vaginas can fall out during said reconstruction. TIKWIDL (Today I Kinda Wished I Didn't Learn): Someone's vagina fell out because of reconstruction and she took it to the lawyer's office as evidence -_-"
Auntriarch 1 year ago
You're suffering from a severe case of acronymitis! 😂
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#11
Back in the day I investigated and later in my career prosecuted lots of arsons so I worked a lot of fire cases. One time the crews roll up on a garage fire. They are met by the home’s resident holding a blood-soaked towel to his crotch. The medics get him stable and transported. He later tells us the voice told him to eat a whole box of saltine crackers without drinking any water and he was like ok, and did that. Then the voice told him to eat the newspaper and he was like check. Then the voice said to cut off his testicles with a can opener and he was like yep. Then the voice said set the van on fire in the garage and he was like you got it. He did all those things in that order, and there were the scene photos of the testicles right there on the garage floor.
We got him into mental health court and he did pretty well.
Kristal 1 year ago
Wow, I wonder if he felt the pain from that with his brain being so messed up.
Otto Katz 1 year ago
I"m guessing it's like morphine. You feel the pain, you just don't give a f)ck.
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#12
My mum's ex-boyfriend had to defend a triple-murder with kidnapping. Two of the victims were a mother and her three-year-old son. Defendant had some kind of psychosis, I'm not sure what. He attempted to carjack a fourth victim who was able to overpower him, leading to his arrest.
Said ex-boyfriend switched to prosecution after that.
Jess Smith 1 year ago
Yeah. I feel sorry for the poor public defender who had to defend a guy, Robert Bowers, who shot 11 Jews for the crime of *checks notes* being Jewish. (He was found eligible for the death penalty, if I recall correctly. Definitely guilty.)
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The Starsong Princess 1 year ago
My brother in law was a defense attorney and he found these cases difficult but not the worst. The defense would be more concerned with the length of sentence or possibly trying an insanity defense if the defendant was psychotic. That would result in an indefinite stay in a psychiatric hospital but it almost never works. There is usually no scenario where the guy gets away with it because of what the lawyer does. In his 30 year career, he says the vast majority of his clients were stupid and/or high and things got away from them. Maybe two or three times, he defended someone he considered truly evil and he got away from them as quickly as possible. The case that haunts him the most is the one where the cops framed an innocent guy for murder and he couldn’t get him off. The guy did 10 years before he got out on appeal.
UncleJon_TheMadScientist 1 year ago
I knew an Ex-lawyer turned car salesman, the case that made him give up law just as he was starting as an attorney was some kind of pro-bono case he was appointed to by a judge. He asked the judge to be excused from taking the case because he could not in good conscience defend the accused and would more than likely help the prosecution find the defendant guilty. The judge gave him 2 choices #1 Take the case and fight like hell to defend the client. Or #2 be found in contempt and face disbarment. He chose #2, and appealed his disbarment... BTW the accused had brutally raped and murdered a young girl, was later found guilty and put on death row.
Ryan Smith 1 year ago
Yeah, I'm having trouble believing this one -- 1st-year attorney getting "appointed" to defend a capital murder/kidnap case? If he's appointed by a judge, he's a public defender (not "pro bono," which means he's not paid) and he should realize that that's the job of the defender's office, and I doubt that the defender's office would send a rookie to handle a case this big. If he's doing a pro bono case for a law firm, his beef is with his employer, not with the judge (although I've never heard of a firm forcing associates to handle pro bono criminal cases like this, and I tend to doubt that firms want the PR nightmare of defending an accused rapist/murderer for free). Need to know more details here.
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#13
NAL, but personally involved in this horrific case. The travesty of justice was a contributing factor to me dropping out of pre-law in college.
Adding a spoiler tag because this is pretty bad. If there is a trigger warning, assume it applies.
>!In the late 80's, my uncle was convicted of violently raping over 30 children, myself and my youngest sister being two of the victims. During the case, my mother screamed multiple times that we were liars (especially when I testified) and trying to ruin his life. It got to the point where the judge asked her to quiet down or leave the courtroom.!<
>!The youngest victim was 3. The eldest in their 20's. A majority of the victims on record were dead from suicide or imprisoned for d**g use. Two boy scout troops were found to have all been victimized.!<
>!During the trial, he also admitted to having sex with animals (dogs, cows, sheep). The church (LDS) was VERY involved in his defense, as he was an elder of the church. We lured him away from the path of God, and he couldn't tell right from wrong.!<
>!He was sentenced to six **months** in a mental hospital. He got out in three, after "finding religion". Even though he was an elder of the church.!<
>!His hoarder apartment had to be cleaned out by me, aka one of his victims. His bank accounts were non-existent, despite me supplying evidence they were opened under false names. My mother repeatedly told police I was lying, despite her brother's own confession in court.!<
>!She ended up cleaning out my bank accounts (after already draining them bit by bit over the years) and giving him and the church the money because I "ruined his life". And she welcomed him back into her home where he continued to abuse my sister until she moved out. !<
Since I know there will be some questions. Yes, I am in therapy at this time. Yes, the judge was from the same church. I'll try my best to answer any others that come up.
and_a_touch_of_the_’tism 1 year ago
Yeah, all pandas, don’t forget that you can click off if it’s too much, you’re all wonderful and deserve the best xx
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Blue Bunny of Happiness 1 year ago (edited)
I don’t believe in hell, but if there is one, I hope this predator and those that enabled him burn in it for eternity.
KillerKiwi 1 year ago
Goddamn Mormons. I live in Utah and there is an infuriating lack of separation between church and state. 😤
Colleen Glim 1 year ago
The conservatives want to make that separation negligible. Vote Democrat. Please
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Bouche and Audi and Shyla, Oh My! 1 year ago
I'm Mormon, and this is pure evil. I don't care if a rapist is a good member of the church -- especially one who goes after children. I've said before that the Mormon church has made many mistakes. This is not a mistake! This is deliberately allowing evil to flourish! This is the deliberate victimization of the innocent! I am extremely angry and disgusted by this.
SkyBlueandBlack 1 year ago
Or Arizona or Texas or any of a number of states. There are "breakaway Mormon sects" all over the place where this is completely normal.
Load More Replies... brookeannsimmer 1 year ago
Sounds to me like this didn't go through an actual court, but through a closed religious process. I could be wrong but he was deemed to have done any of those things he would have had to face a minimum sentence.
Beak Hookage 1 year ago
At this point I'd be giving serious consideration to just killing the f****r.
#14
Not a lawyer but my Aunt was.
She was the state prosecutor for a case where a guy had gotten into an argument with another guy at a recreational baseball game.
After the game was over one guy left and went home. The other guy stayed at the baseball field with his son.
About like 30min to an hour later they are still at the baseball field and the other guy is back. He has a baseball bat and walks straight towards the dad at the pitching mound and starts hitting him over the head with the bat until hes unrecognizable. Kid frozen in terror while this guy murders his dad. He then walk over to the kid and does the same thing to him.
My Aunt was amazing at her job and got the guy sentenced to life in prison.
She lost her battle to cancer a few months ago. I loved listening to her stories. She was the best Aunt a guy could ask for.
Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
Whoaaaaaa. That happened in the Boston area many years ago, except it was 2 hockey dads that got into it and one was killed.
ConstantlyJon 1 year ago
well that de-escalated quickly into a sweet story about this guy's aunt.
PlsDo NotDelete 1 year ago
It's happened several times at various sport events in the US. One parent vs another parent.
Load More Replies... Uncle Schmickle 1 year ago
Re : below question .... so the perp. couldn't be identified, I assume.
Scott Rackley 1 year ago
If you've ever reffed youth sports, this is not surprising. I've had to eject parents from athletic complexes before. Once a guy didn't believe me, he believed the cops though.
#15
It was a labor case, in which in the middle of the hearing, the judge (60-year-old male) started to flirt with my client (23-year-old female) in a direct, straightforward way. It was SO shocking that was one of the only cases I got speechless in a trial. Those hearings are closed here in Brazil, so no jury, no recording — nothing.
Tyranamar Seuss 1 year ago
If there's no recording and it's behind closed doors, then it's not so shocking. Powerful men have been being inappropriate with young females for ages.
#16
I was dating a nice woman back in 2016. In our first conversation, I asked her what she did for a living. She was a paralegal for a malpractice firm at the time. I asked her if there were any interesting cases happening. She said "Yes, one we are going to lose."
I was interested... I asked what happened.
She told me "Well, we are defending a doctor who made a mistake. One of his patients was suffering from an eye condition that required a unique recovery. After surgery, the patient had to lie face down for the entirety of their day to prevent further eye damage. It had something to do with eye pressure and a gas buildup near the back of the eye. As it turns out, the patient wanted to fly on a plane and would intend to keep their eyes down through the whole flight. The doctor we're defending didn't tell the patient that they couldn't fly during the recovery."
The next part definitely sucked. When the patient took off on the plane, everything was OK. During descent, which people with ear problems can attest, the rapid change in pressure f****d up this patients condition. They went completely blind in both eyes due to the descent of the plane.
Predictably, the doctor did lose the case. It was a definitely an interesting first conversation to have with someone.
Gabriele Alfredo Pini 1 year ago
My ophthalmologist told em that one of his patients drove a race car the day after inserting two permanent lens. "But you didn't told me not to drive a race car!" was his defense.
Brian Droste 1 year ago
The patient should have ask "So flying is out of the question then?" Probably would have been a dumb question to the doctor, but the answer would have been yes. If that would have been me I would have ask what I can and cannot do? I would not want to do anything else that would harm me in anyway.
Philip Cutler 1 year ago
This guy probably had a vitrectomy, typically related to diabetes, but also has other implications. Your eye blood veins leak into your vitreous fluid. They take this fluid out, and fill it with nitrogen gas that slowly dissipates and is replaced with effectively salt water from your body. I know this because I've had 2 (each eye) and my doctor explicitly said no air travel, heck don't even drive out of the valley or go up in a tall building because the eye pressure can change and you will go blind. They calculate how much air needs to go in your eye based on atmospheric pressure in your area. Then you spend the next 2 weeks or so laying face down or sitting face down (like in a massage chair).
Tom Brincefield 1 year ago
They do the same for reattaching a retina. Only had to keep my face down for a couple of days, but he was really clear about no flying. He didn't want me driving over any mountains for the first couple of weeks.
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I've had to have both retinas reattached using various methods and it's very clearly explained re the purpose and use of the gas bubble to hold the retina in place. Even if the doctor did not specifically mention that the patient couldn't fly, surely commonsense and a "gas bubble has been inserted into your eye ball" should be enough to indicate some caution required re flying? These are the type of people who think the sun should be embossed with a warning label - staring directly at the sun may be harmful..."
Say No to Downvoting 1 year ago
My husband deals with this kind of case. There is no way in hell he would have lost unless there was hard evidence of the doctor saying “yeah, you could lie down for that day, but really, do whatever the f**k you want - it’s cool bro”. There are many details missing from this little anecdote and I think they are pertinent.
Uncle Schmickle 1 year ago
Idiot patient. Did he tell the Dr. he was going to fly ? How about accepting personal responsibility
Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
I can't believe she wasn't fired for discussing a case with someone not in the firm. That was pretty much a no-no when I worked as a paralegal both in the San Francisco bay area and up in western Washington state. I would tell my then husband about some of the cases, but definitely not with friends or someone I'd just met for the first time on a date. That's malpractice right there.
Donna Sempek 1 year ago
As a patient you need to ask questions and act responsibly. Who would fly after an eye procedure without discussing with physician ?????
#17
Slayer statute, interpleader case in federal court. Client murdered her husband to collect insurance proceeds. Found out that she promised to pay 2 dudes to bind his hands and feet with duct tape, execute him, and burn him in an alley, for $20k each, to be payed out of the insurance funds.
She lost.
Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
I will never understand how people arrive at murder as being their solution to a marriage so they either get custody of the kid or life insurance and the person's estate/home, and don't have to pay spousal maintenance or child support.
Deeelite 1 year ago
Never understood it either Joanne. Just pack a da*n bag.
Load More Replies... Brian Droste 1 year ago
She lost alright, hopefully she went to,prison. She really messed her life up.
Julia Mckinney 1 year ago
Oh for Pete's sake, just find a way out that doesn't include murder OR make a joke out it like my husband and I. Married 30+ years, we have multiple running jokes about if we want a divorce including- the first one who leaves has to take the (now adult) kids with them; the person who leaves has to let the other person divide the books; if I ever left my husband, I'm not entirely certain my mom wouldn't choose my husband to support and not me; if I leave, I still have to make cookies for his parents; if he leaves he still has to be the go-to person for questions about environmental safety for family/friends etc.
Colleen Glim 1 year ago
Had this conversation frequently with my husband (31) years. He now has decent life insurance. He can feel free to die any day now. Joking
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#18
I told this story on r/lawyers a little while ago, but I'll tell it again here.
I'm an immigration lawyer. I do mostly VAWA and asylum, but I handle other stuff on occasion.
I had a prospective client come in a few weeks ago. He's interested in pursuing a relatively straightforward application. He tells me that he might have a criminal history that could affect his immigration. It's only one arrest though, he says. It happened in 19XX. And it's not serious.
"OK," I say. It happens. Nobody's perfect, and a single arrest is generally not a deal-breaker.
So, as I'm talking with him, I decide to Google his pretty unique name. A news article comes up, from his country, in his language. It's dated the same year he said... 19XX. Hm.
I ask him: "what kind of crime did you say it was?"
"Oh," he says, "I think it was d**g related." I figure, alright, marijuana arrest or something: nothing we can't overcome.
I click through to the article. The photo on the article sure looks like a lot like the prospective client. Turns out, prospective client's arrest was not for marijuana at all. It was for cocaine. And not a little cocaine. This guy was caught attempting to smuggle XX *pallets* of cocaine. I must have looked a little bug-eyed, because the guy gave me a sort of sheepish look and a shrug.
Hm.
I tell the prospective client, maybe we should start by filing a few FOIA requests (Freedom of Information Act Requests) to see what comes up, and we'll go from there. He agrees, and that's that.
I'll double check my suspicions against the government record, and let the client know what can, or cannot, be done.
Suffice it to say, getting caught smuggling multiple pallets of cocaine is not a small-time arrest. But, you never know what is or isn't true, and you should always do your due diligence.
Dragons Exist 1 year ago
Tbh smuggling pallets of cocaine in the 1900s sounds like a movie plot
SkyBlueandBlack 1 year ago
Sounds more like a government operation in the 1980s.
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#19
Legal Videographer here...
Grand Parent Custody case where the dad got photographed molesting the 8yo daughter under the Christmas tree. Kid goes for a medical exam and the doc reports extensive injuries usually associated with sex abuse. Then checks a box to indicate the injuries were not related to abuse. Police say nothing they can do about it because of the checked box. The mom 'commits suicide' "because the dad didn't want to sleep with both at the same time" according to him... and the person holding the gun when she shot herself gets a misdemeanor iirc. Police lose two polygraph tests and a couple r*pe kits. Grandparents lose custody case... oh his dad was a magistrate in the same county... and the dad gets full custody.
Unfortunately that day when I got home r/eyebleach had a series of infant and toddler photos instead of kittens and puppies.
Julia Mckinney 1 year ago
That poor kid! This would be a good time for the grandparents and the kid to disappear into the underground railroad for abused kids/wives.
Dragons Exist 1 year ago
For a second I thought that said r/eyeblech (gore subreddit deleted for breaking Reddit's tos)
Philly Bob Squires 1 year ago
This is what money and power does. Dad should have been hung by the nuts but of course things "magically" disappear due to "legal" pull and influence.
#20
So…I see a lot of messed up injuries in my line of work (personal injury.) like permanent metal in people, scars, mental trauma. Videos of car accidents, broken bones, you know, messed up stuff.
But what gets me the most is health insurance companies. Basically, let’s say you have Kaiser, you get hurt they pay the bill. Unfortunately, if you get hurt by another person and recover funds from them, then your health insurance company (or workers comp) is entitled to be paid back from the money you get. Oh and the government gets first dibs too if you have Medicare or state funded health insurance. However bad you think the system is working, trust me, it’s worse.
MyNameIsNotAPortent 1 year ago
Tell me you’re an American without telling me you’re an American.
Zoey Bear 1 year ago
Sounds like my health insurance company (US if you couldn't guess). Ended up in the ER last year, they covered barely anything. And the hospital sent the bill to collections and now we may have to file bankruptcy and lose our house because we can't afford the astronomical bill. 😭
Blue Cicada 1 year ago
Can you file with the hospital for financial assistance/relief? Doctor's offices, labs, diagnostic tests etc. are usually billed separately from a hospital bill, but I've been able to file for financial assistance for ER visits and outpatient procedures and expensive tests done in the main hospital. And yes, it sucks that the cost of having our life saved or diagnosing our condition is outrageous. Many years the costs of my health insurance and medical bills (what was owed by me _after_ health insurance paid) were more than my rent and utilities.
Load More Replies... Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
Yep. I encountered similar issues when I worked in PI. The worst were clients who insisted on treating with a chiropractor and massage therapist who said, 'don't worry about the money...I will get paid at the end of the case.' Then we get a settlement of 30k, e.g, and after deducting my boss' 1/3 fee and our costs, plus the chiro, massage therapist and other medical liens, the client walks away with a grand total of $7k. I used to finally tell the clients when their liens were approaching 4k-5k to please stop going and see a REAL doctor, not those shysters. I swear if I had a dime for every time I read 'clavicular and pelvic unleveling' in chiro records, I'd be wealthy. It's junk science.
Meowzers! 1 year ago
America's health sysyem is for profit not for patient care. Hospitals have shareholders who are only interested in making money. The nhs may not be perfect but it's free at the point of use and no-one will go bankrupt for needing treatment. Bad management and beurocracy is the problem the nhs has. But at least no matter what your problem is you can go to a hospital or doctors surgery and you won't be faced with a bill at the end of it. Social healthcare isn't done for profit. Its done for the good of the people. And you can always choose to go private if you so wish. It's still cheaper than in the usa.
Dragons Exist 1 year ago
I live near a Kaiser office and, even though I always hear bad things (online and from neighbors) about them, they still made record profits last year (hint: profits being the key word)
#21
I'm an attorney, but the case that stuck with me most was one I sat in on during undergrad. I was a criminal justice major and frequently had to go watch trials for class assignments. I was in the military at the time, so I had to cram these hours in randomly — if we had a light day, or I could take a long lunch, I would go to the closest courthouse and check what was available. One day, I went down to the federal courthouse in Baltimore and checked the list: one criminal case, nothing else going. I head upstairs and quietly walk in. Despite that, clearly, everyone checks me out, which is odd — usually, no one pays attention to the gallery. At the first break, a guy comes over and asks me who I am and why I’m there; he's Office of Special Investigations (OSI) with the Air Force, so I show him my ID and explain I have to watch criminal trials. He gives me a weird look but doesn’t push. As I’m sitting there, I slowly realize I SHOULD NOT BE HERE. An Air Force couple has a son, and gets divorced. She takes her son with her to her duty station in Japan and remarries a civilian employee there. Dad is deployed, then moves station, and keeps bugging her about when he can see the son; at some point, she just stops responding. A few months later, after Dad has filed a report with her command, requesting they make her communicate with him, Dad gets a call from an OSI agent who he knows, asking him for his son's full name and date of birth. Dad gives it to him, and the agent says, 'Look. I didn’t tell you this, but you need to call OSI on her base.' Mom had gone to the field, and her 8-year-old son had been bugging the stepdad while he was gaming. Stepdad got pissed off and beat the kid with the first thing to hand — a piece of banister from the stair he was working in. Mom came back from the field two days later and found the son unconscious, still on the floor. Because the stepdad's last home of record was in Maryland, he was tried in federal court in Baltimore. I sat through the ER doc who treated the son, who talked about seeing the internal crush injuries, and the coroner who talked about how hard you would have to hit an 8-year-old on the front to cause bruising on his back. I also sat through the dad talking about finding out his son was gone. After that day, I always went to misdemeanor court for my hours.
Tabitha 1 year ago (edited)
The military is a little touchy about stuff like that, especially these days, when recruitment is at an all-time low. They should be more open when it comes to anything not related to troop movements and other truly sensitive information, but they're not. Military logic is f****d up.
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#22
Not a lawyer, but I got a summer gig once sorting -/alphabetizing case files at a law firm and throwing out the files that were more than 7 years old. This necessitated going through them occasionally to find the closure dates.
The saddest one I picked up was a 17 year old boy who got sent to jail for having sex with a 14 year old girl.
Not that I think it’s okay for a 17 year old to have sex with a 14 year old; that’s realllly pushing it to put it mildly.
What made me sad was the way that the prosecutors procured a confession. It was one of those “if you write a nice apology letter to her parents, maybe we can make this all go away” manipulated written confessions. It was this heartfelt letter that was all
“I’m so sorry I put your family through this hardship, I wasn’t thinking, it was irresponsible, etc”. — and it just had this soulless sticky note on it that just said “CONFESSED” in all caps.
I read lots of interesting case files, but that one was a gut punch. The kid did some time for that one.
talliloo 1 year ago
i worked as in investigator for the district attorney. there were a couple of cased like this where the guy was around 18 or so and the girl was 16. according to the girl it was consensual, but she was a minor; it was her parents that pushed the case forward for a conviction. they two had dated in high school prior to his graduation. he was a good guy but is now on the sex offender registry for the rest of his life just because the parents could not accept that their little girl was sexually active.
Michelle my Belle. 1 year ago
I knew people who this also happened to. He was 17 and she was 15. They were such a sweet couple and obviously loved each other. It was sad for everyone. Her parents forced her to testify against him. It was awful.
Load More Replies... Sami-Jo Ross 1 year ago
Genuine question here. Not condoning it or anything but if they're both minors why did he do time? Unless it was non-consensual or of dubious consent, no crime was committed, unless OP is in a country where age of majority is 16 or something.
Jeremy James 1 year ago
I just watched a movie where the protagonist was a boy entering his Freshman year of High School. He's in love with his sister's best friend, who is a Senior. In the end, he gets the girl, they make out, super happy ending, Then I thought about the age gap, either 13-17 or 14-18, reversed the genders, and... problematic.
Sue User 1 year ago
I dont understand how a 17 year old girl is not "adult enough" to give consent but a 17 year old boy is considered " adult enough" to know better and gets tried as adult.
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Nicola Roberts 1 year ago
There is age in every society where a person is deemed a child. The age of consent can be from the age of 12 to 18. For the record a cannot conceive a situation where a 12 y/o could ever be considered to be anything but a child. I'm just pointing out that it's f***d up but also if you're not old enough to understand the law of your country, then you shouldn't be having sex.
Geoffrey Scott 1 year ago
A well respected guy was nailed on a "Romeo and Juliet" statutory rape charge. Employer found out about it(not sure if it was a lying on app reason or not)..fired him (public school, no other choice). NO one felt warm and fuzzy over this. Michigan has since changed their law regarding this type of felony. All because the parents want revenge.
She who must not be named 1 year ago
My only assumption in this case is that it took place in the UK or another country where the legal age is 16. So technically she would have been a minor and him an 'adult'. If the situation was consensual then yeah it is pretty sad. If he'd have waited 2 more years it would have been acceptable, even with the same age gap. I don't think situations like this are as black and white as some people assume. 14 is very young, and I think I'd be devastated if I found out my daughter was having sex at this age, but I'd also be a hypocrite. I was only a year older during my first time and my boyfriend at the time was 16. So technically the same could have happened here had our parents found out and pressed charges. Instead they found out and we had a meeting all together where they scared us enough with horror stories of arrests/prison etc. that we waited a year. They understood that it was my choice, they knew I wasn't forced to do anything and that's all that mattered to them I suppose.
#23
My sister is a criminal defense lawyer. She told me about a case where this guy had committed murder and after a week couldn't take the guilt and handed himself in.
Only when he got to the police station and confessed, they asked him where he killed this woman. He told them and they said it was out of their jurisdiction and to go to another police station to confess because it was closer to where the crime happened.
So he left and went the next day instead. Noone looked for him or asked or anything. It went completely unreported.
He did hand himself into the police station and they began to start proceedings for a case against him.
They wanted to include on the report the fact he had been turned away from the police station and still handed himself in to show some sort of character but the judge and police said they wouldn't allow it because it makes them look bad. They said they wouldn't let the jury even hear about it. My sisters team was frustrated and horrified.
This was in Ireland.
Meagan Glaser 1 year ago
How is it not on the judge and the second police station for refusing to take that part of the report?
Load More Replies... UKGrandad 1 year ago
This makes no sense. The Garda (Police Force in the Republic of Ireland) are a national police force with no local jurisdictions. If someone hands themselves in at a Garda station, regardless of where in the country, they will be arrested and held at that station until the investigating officers from where the crime took place collect them.
MoMcB 1 year ago
Only thing I can think of is he confessed , for example, to the Gardai, and the crime happened in the North (PSNI). But they cooperate, so I call bollocks.
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Donkey boi 1 year ago
This one is complete bollocks! Firstly; Our police force (The Garda Síochána) is a National force, with no jurisdiction boundaries other than the country's border! Secondly; We don't have "Lawyers". We have solicitors and barristers. Solicitors are the ones that deal with the defendant from charging up until court appearance. Barristers are the ones that present the case in court, and do not generally work as a "team", usually independent or with an assistant (only the biggest cases would have a team, and those would probably be held at the CCC). Barristers often don't even meet the defendant until the day of court. Finally; The judge cannot exclude evidence/testimony "because it makes them look bad"!
#24
I'm an interpreter not an attorney, but I had a school case to interpret regarding bullying. The school decided to have a court case decision made in house. It was 12 kids and their parents on a stage in the cafeteria. The school officials were there and a school advocate who acted as judge. Apparently the seniors would trap the freshmen in a designated bathroom after lunch and jump them. Four seniors and eight freshman who were beat up individually, there were supposed to be nine but one was in the hospital. They showed surveillance of how the seniors picked the freshmen to beat up and there were 2 teachers aware of this, in one of the videos one of the teachers helped the seniors by pointing out who the freshmen were. This was a hazing technique that was going on in this school for years but this case was to make an example of those involved. The teachers involved were only mentioned when the bullys admitted receiving assistance in pointing out who to beat up, the teachers never got in trouble. Only one bully was expelled and all the freshmen were suspended. It was unjust and sad. This case went on for 3 days and each case lasted 3 to 5 hours after school.
Sand Ers 1 year ago
Schools often take an “everybody involved is at fault” attitude. It’s far easier than investigating what happened and taking appropriate action.
Load More Replies... The Starsong Princess 1 year ago
This should have been criminal charges, not a kangaroo court.
Ivy at Eve 1 year ago
I said it before and I say it again: it is easier to punish the victim than the bully (because the one doling out the punisment is scared too) and it leaves the one dealing with the matter with a sense of accomplishment.
#25
IANAL but periphery of a divorce; anesthesiologist and his wife; dude has tons of money and a huge secondary stash of gold and other non currency assets that he doesn’t disclose; keeps lowballing wife and she keeps arguing for the proper financial disclosure - he laughs as she has to keep paying for her attorney to file to get access to the assets that he won’t disclose and they can’t prove -
He kept lowballing her and refusing to settle all while he continues to make huge money and she struggles - he dgaf - he wanted to win and make her suffer and drag it out
Divorce initiated because of his infidelity.
Schmebulock 1 year ago
If she had access to the gold or any of the other assets she should have taken them before filing for divorce and put them in a safe deposit box or other secure place.
Glix Drap 1 year ago
WTF is it with all these acronyms. BP posters should understand that most of us not in their specific field have no idea what these TLAs mean. IANAL - what yourself or other people? I figured that dgaf means doesn't give a f**k.
Feathered Dinosaur 1 year ago
IANAL means 'I am not a lawyer' in this case
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Tabitha Osika 1 year ago
I knew people like this, he cheated and got her pregnant, the wife struggled with infertility so that was a double gut punch. He dragged it out wanting her to get nothing and then died in the middle of so, as his widow, she got everything.
Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
If her lawyer didn't ask for her fees/costs then s/he should be fired.
Toothless Feline 1 year ago
Someone appears to be addicted to semicolons and allergic to periods.
#26
I was just an articling student at the time but we got a phone call that I still makes me laugh each time I think about it.
A woman calls in asking for advice on immigration law. I tell her I can't give advice but I can take details and book a meeting. She wants to know about claiming refugee status. I ask her where she is a refuge from. She then tells me that she doesn't want to claim refuge status, her sister does.
So I ask her where her sister is from, she tells me from Hong Kong. (This was almost a decade ago btw) So I ask her why she is fleeing Honk Kong. She tells me that her sister isn't fleeing Hong Kong, she is visiting on a 6 month visa.
So I ask why she want to help her sister get refuge status. She says she doesn't, she wants her sister to leave. Now, at this point I'm thoroughly confused. So I get her to elaborate.
Turns out, her sister is visiting and, to quote her, "She is ruining the family!" Her sister has threatened to stay on after her visa expires and this lady want to know whether she can actually do that. The short answer, no legal advice required is that she can't just stay, she has to go through immigration. So she asks what to do about her. I tell her, if she doesn't leave when her visa expires, call the cops. She says thanks and hangs up. I dissolve into fits of giggles.
#27
Not a Lawyer but a law student. For my contractual law class is had to learn a verdict from The dutch supreme court which was pretty awfull. The situation was as follows:
A mom was cooking dinner, from where she was standing she could see her child playing outside. Suddenly a taxivan drives in the street and hits the child a quite a high speed. This sends the child of flying trough The air. When she hits the ground she has a lot of momentum so she slides over the street. The mother, obviously in shock, runs up to the child. When the mother grabs her child het hand vanishes in The back of the Head of the child. So the mother stands there with her hand in The scull/brain of the run over child.
This was the first time ever in dutch law that emiotional damages where accepted.
#28
Not a lawyer, but we got sued and had to pay out money for absolutely no reason besides "cheaper to pay then off than actually defend yourself".
So let me give you the facts. We bought a property in 2014. It had tenants in it. Remember 2014, it is important.
So one of the tenants had an issue that made her unit partially uninhabitable in 2011. The property management takes a while to get it fixed, but they resolve the issue in 2011.
Fast forward to 2016. The tenant is now suing the previous owners AND US. We hadn't even heard of this property when it happened or even when the situation was resolved!
But we were added to the case. Eventually we had an arbiter talking between all 3 parties. The tenant was asking us for 20k but we brought it down to 10k. Our attornies recommended we settle, and so we did.
Now you're probably asking why we even paid. We bore no responsibility, right? You'd be right, but it would have cost us at least 10k to pay our attornies to defend us in court and even then there is no guarantee a jury would rule in our favor. It was best to pay her off and call it a day.
Her attorney on the other hand was one that worked off the proceeds of his case. He cost nothing unless he won...t~~hen he would take like 75% of whatever they won~~ apparently the attorney would take ~30% and the other fees would take another ~45% leaving the tenant with ~25%. Many people abuse the system with these tiny cases because it isn't even worth defending against.
On a final note, we also stipulated the tenant had to vacate the property within 5 months (we only did this because her pregnant adult daughter was about 7 months pregnant). Come the end of the 5 months, she asked if she could continue her tenancy.
Really, after you sue us for no reason but to earn a quick buck? Hell no.
And f**k the attorney who took her case.
Seadog 1 year ago
If they would fine attorneys for taking BS cases, this kind of thing would stop real quick. Judges should also be held accountable for their rulings. Put a child back in a bad home and he/she gets hurt or abused further? Judge is an accomplice. Put a violent criminal back on the street? Judge is an accomplice for anything and everything the criminal does from that point on. Judge thinks a piece of paper is going to stop an abusive lover/spouse/stalker? Judge is an accomplice. You can bet things will change real quick in our broken system.
Rhonda Danielson 1 year ago
Love your idea for consequences. Add guardians ad litem to this list as well. These people do a lot of damage to minors.
Load More Replies... Michael Largey 1 year ago
If the OP was screwed over, it was by the arbitrator, not by a lawyer acting on behalf of the opposing clients. If the settlement was that far out of line (We only know the OP's side and not much of that), the attorney he should resent is his own for advising him to take it (and for doing so badly at the arbitration).
Brian Droste 1 year ago
You should told her yes but the rent is going to be doubled. That probably would make her move out. After all that, out of the 10k she end up only getting $2500?
#29
I didn't work on it but I was in the courtroom at the time with other cases. Working with the DA during my first year in law school. Being presided by the biggest prick judge I've ever encountered in my life. It's not shocking like everyone else but I think it's pretty bad...
This couple broke up and the woman got a restraining order on this guy. Month or 2 later this guy goes out with his friends to some bar. Later in the night the ex girlfriend shows up at the same bar.
The guy goes up to her and says, "I know you have a restraining order against me, are you comfortable with me here or should I leave? I won't bother you either way." She says she doesn't want him around so he leaves right away.
Dude got put away 3 years for that. You aren't supposed to be within 100 feet or have any contact with the person who filed. So the fact this guy said that one sentence to her got him put away 3 years. Even though he was there first and trying to be courteous by asking and then leaving right away.
This was very beginning of my law career and already not a good sign lol. I hate being a lawyer so much. I learned coding if anyone's hiring.
panther 1 year ago
Was the judge a bigger prick than the one who said it was Breonna Taylors boyfriend who caused her death and not the cops who lied to a judge to get a search warrant and then did a no-knock search of the apartment who ended up shooting her after the boyfriend, who didn't know that they were cops, shot at them? Or how about the federal judge who is saying that the federal ban on machine guns is unconstitutional?
Momma Jess 1 year ago
I live in Louisville Kentucky now, and I am utterly disgusted by that judge and those officers panther, you're not alone
Load More Replies... The Starsong Princess 1 year ago
Did he not listen to the conditions of his restraining order? If he had left without talking to her, he would have been fine. If she was ok with him being in the same room with her, she wouldn’t need a restraining order. This is a textbook violation.
Jorge Gonzalez 1 year ago
This. The guy did not paid attention and if he had any doubts should have asked a lawyer.
Load More Replies... Bored Trash Panda 1 year ago (edited)
Yea no, I am on the side of the judge with this one. There is a reason she had a restraining order against him, which those aren't easy to get in the first place. It states in the restraining that he is to stay away from her. He f****d up, he has to pay the consequences. And if you think the judge was in the wrong, you don't need to be a lawyer.
#30
I used to be an Employment Lawyer and I defended someone at a Tribunal who would pick on meeker women in the office and flirt with them and over time would give them shoulder rubs. More time would pass and eventually this guy’s hands would get lower and lower, until he was full on groping the girls breasts in the office.
Tough part was, he did it in such a sneaky way that all the other employees saw the shoulder rubs so suspected that they were an item so evidence didn’t fall in the poor girl’s favour. He won the case and told me afterwards “I can’t believe you got me off” - basically admitting it. I quit law after that. Lost the stomach for it.
Huddo's sister 1 year ago
If you can't accept that you are likely to get guilty people off, then being a defence lawyer definitely not for you. You need a harder heart, that's why people hate defence lawyers.
Thanos'Fingers 1 year ago
People hate lawyers. Prosecutors are no better. The majority of people they jail have done next to nothing, trying to live their lives peacefully, and became just the next target to pay the bills for the city.
Load More Replies... Auntriarch 1 year ago (edited)
Whilst I can completely understand OPs feelings that motivated them to drop out, that's partly why so many in that profession are unprincipled utter shïts
Mike Beck 1 year ago
Defense lawyers are like leaders. The people you actually want doing it are NEVER the people who want to do it.
Load More Replies... Leoninus Fate 1 year ago
would start keeping a tiny recorder on me, he already consented to speak, and if you didn't say a time off for it... I'm sure someone could loophole this
Nikki Angulo 1 year ago
I did training yesterday and sexual harassment is any kind of activity like that that makes you uncomfortable (even if you just see it.) So he shouldn’t have gotten off.
#31
I did an alleged arson case for an insurance company once. The insured had to provide a list of all items he had lost including over 1,000 book titles. Every book was the biography of a serial killer — we figured it was probably every book ever written about a serial killer. Insured gave off serious dark and mysterious vibes. Who knows the truth?
Shark queen 🦈🦈🦈 1 year ago
Any good books that you could recommend me? I am really interested in true crime.
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Chihuahua Mama 1 year ago
I don't feel that's that strange.... People love serial killer documentaries and podcasts, why are books any different?
Michael Largey 1 year ago
Maybe because every single one of those 1000+ book was about serial killers. Normal people can be interested in reading about serial killers, but that won't be their only reading interest.
Load More Replies... Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
Oh for crying out loud. A good portion of my book collection is true crime too! Sheesh.
Julia Mckinney 1 year ago
Wow, his ONLY books were ones about serial killers? That's seriously messed up.
#32
Not a lawyer but a paralegal! We had a client who claimed to be the daughter of a man, but his other daughter claimed that wasn’t true. The mans estate went to probate court and they both had rival petitions going to be the administrator…(which in California you get money for along with your share of the estate) She was a nut and my boss regretted taking her on everytime we had to deal with her and after her trying to exhume the body, breaking into his house to “gather evidence” and sending us on a wild goose chase to family members in Arkansas who would vouch for her, claiming the decedent always said our client was his daughter.…..Cut to month later, we get a call from our client: the police are outside her house, she’s barricaded in and has a gun to her husband. She won’t come out, she keeps calling our office to talk the her attorney (who is not in that day) and I’m talking to her tell her and watching the police on the news at the same time. She ended up stabbing her husband, not killing him but leaving him a vegetable and she went to jail. Never found out if she was the real daughter or not.
Couragetcd 1 year ago
I bet the other lady felt relieved when she was sent to jail whether they were sisters or not.
Seadog 1 year ago
Sounds like daughter was afraid she might actually be an illegitimate child and knew she'd lose a lot if it was revealed. I'm surprised the court didn't order the test done.
Load More Replies... #33
Client paid a multi-million dollar settlement with a hand-written personal check. He was pissed and refused to do a wire transfer like a normal person. I think the other side had to scramble to find a bank to deposit the check. Banking regulations limit how much money a bank can hold on deposit. You just can’t take a check that large to any local bank. The check eventually cleared, so I guess they figured it out. Good times…. That case will be on my resume for sure.
Ace 1 year ago
Not sure where you're talking about, (assume from spelling that it's the US) but I think you're confused about how bank cheques work. The branch taking the cheque does not 'hold' the cheque, or the value thereof, on deposit. It's sent through the clearing system where it's credited to the account of the payee.
Greg Baughman 1 year ago (edited)
Banks will put a hold on a deposit for a short time, usually about 3 business days, for funds to clear. A multi-million dollar check would 100% have a hold on it until it cleared. This keeps people from walking in with a fake check, depositing it, and immediately withdrawing the cash or transferring it. (This is in the US anyway)
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Arkham Wohlfert 1 year ago
I'm so confused, who is "her" and what promises? I think you might mean another post?
Load More Replies... #34
A mother sold the family farm out from under the son who was supposed to inherit it. Someone shot her (nonfatally). There were so many suspects that almost every lawyer in the county was assigned to defend one of them. Forensics eventually narrowed it down to two suspects, but each so adamantly pointed at the other as the shooter that it was going to be hard to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt of either one's guilt. They both pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and served two years.
[Love Kills](https://dailybulldog.com/features/love-kills-tv-episode-based-on-2003-farmington-crime-story/)
Edited to add two more related links:
[https://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20030908/News/309089999](https://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20030908/News/309089999)
https://observer.com/2008/11/knee-deep/.
Seadog 1 year ago
Greed and inheritance problems is why locally we now have to go through a lawyer to even add a name to a deed. I want to add my sons name to my moms house which I inherited. Nope. Gotta pay a dang lawyer to add his name. It's not like I'm old and senile and not changing ownership, just want to add his name so when I'm gone it automatically becomes his. Thanks to greedy and stupid people, I'll have to pay $1000 just to add his name.
brookeannsimmer 1 year ago
You can't 'sell something out from under someone' if it's yours to begin with. What's yours is yours, and the idea that someone ought to be entitled to your money after you die, so you shouldn't spend it while you're alive, is wild.
Nikki Angulo 1 year ago
Exactly, unless it didn’t belong to her and it actually belong to her (he would have to be a minor) son, and she was just the trustee.
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What do you think ?
talliloo 1 year ago
i commented on a post where i identified as an investigator for the district attorney. i got a lot of the more difficult cases that dealt with communities that were more insular than usual, mostly people who had immigrated to the u.s. i also got the cold cases as well. one cold case annoyed the hell out of me because the defendant was a well known music artist who had a hell of a manager. before we could move forward with the case we had to serve the defendant. i got touring dates and worked with so many different jurisdictions to get him served but he was always mysteriously not on the premises when service was attempted. it just reminded me of the fact that there are two separate judicial systems in which the wealthy can avoid things whereas the everyday person can't afford to avoid or even get an attorney of their choosing since they mostly got a public defender. this is probably why i am so annoyed with the recent cases involving politicians.
Seadog 1 year ago
It's not even that high level of avoidance. Locally I've seen the rich get away with all kinds of things that would land the average person in jail. You don't have to look far for the proof either. Just go hang out near one of the country clubs. People leave there plastered all the time, some don't make it home without wrecking. Not one ever gets charged.
Load More Replies... Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
I worked in law for 22 years. We had one PI case in CA where our client was basically tapped by another car at a fast food drive thru. It cause miniscule damage to her Mercedes but of course it was costly to fix the bumper. Thing is, she was pregnant at the time. A few weeks later she went into labor and the baby was born months early and in the NICU for months. She blamed it on the collision. My boss was seeing hundreds of thousands in future settlement. Till I went thru every single piece of medical records and found she'd had multiple miscarriages, and this was a high risk IVF pregnancy. Nowhere did she EVER mention the collision. My boss was bummed. Told her to take the 3k settlement being offered and walk away.
Brian Droste 1 year ago (edited)
Some of these were horrendous. Almost quit reading after reading 2 or 3 if these.
Alecto76 1 year ago
On a much lighter note, I'm a lawyer in a personal injury firm and work for a wonderful partner - grandfatherly, just an all around good person. But super prudish. He took on a botched Brazilian butt lift case - I was surprised since the subject made him so uncomfortable. We shared an office with another lawyer who had a very young lady as an assistant. So my boss is preparing for the doctor's dep and is copying a bunch of sales material in the copy room - it of course has pictures. So he comes running into my office and slams the door. He is bright red and panicking. He says she had come into the copy room and glanced at what he was doing. "She thinks I'm a pervert that copies butts!"
BrunoVI 1 year ago (edited)
I often defend America from stupid people who believe stupid things about her. Don't get the impression that there aren't many things I believe are seriously f****d up; it's just what gets reported on BP is usually zombie communist propaganda and political agitprop, not the real problems. One of the real, stupid problems is the way that court fees withhold justice from the poor and working class. Want to file a motion? You'll need a court transcript to support your case. That transcript can cost as much as $35 a page. Not 10 cents like in the real, pre-computer world. $35 a page... and with everything double-spaced and typewriter-font, a simple court hearing can run thousands of dollars... a major lawsuit can cost even tens of millions of dollars. Usually the wealthier party can simply file motion after motion, and simply outspend the poorer party.
Richard Graham 1 year ago
There used to be a clause in most legal contracts that if a person goes insane all judgements against him are null and void. That was known as the Sanity Clause. It has since been repealed. Now there is no such thing as Sanity Clause. (Thank you, Marx Brothers)
talliloo 1 year ago
i commented on a post where i identified as an investigator for the district attorney. i got a lot of the more difficult cases that dealt with communities that were more insular than usual, mostly people who had immigrated to the u.s. i also got the cold cases as well. one cold case annoyed the hell out of me because the defendant was a well known music artist who had a hell of a manager. before we could move forward with the case we had to serve the defendant. i got touring dates and worked with so many different jurisdictions to get him served but he was always mysteriously not on the premises when service was attempted. it just reminded me of the fact that there are two separate judicial systems in which the wealthy can avoid things whereas the everyday person can't afford to avoid or even get an attorney of their choosing since they mostly got a public defender. this is probably why i am so annoyed with the recent cases involving politicians.
Seadog 1 year ago
It's not even that high level of avoidance. Locally I've seen the rich get away with all kinds of things that would land the average person in jail. You don't have to look far for the proof either. Just go hang out near one of the country clubs. People leave there plastered all the time, some don't make it home without wrecking. Not one ever gets charged.
Load More Replies... Joanne Mendonza-Earle 1 year ago
I worked in law for 22 years. We had one PI case in CA where our client was basically tapped by another car at a fast food drive thru. It cause miniscule damage to her Mercedes but of course it was costly to fix the bumper. Thing is, she was pregnant at the time. A few weeks later she went into labor and the baby was born months early and in the NICU for months. She blamed it on the collision. My boss was seeing hundreds of thousands in future settlement. Till I went thru every single piece of medical records and found she'd had multiple miscarriages, and this was a high risk IVF pregnancy. Nowhere did she EVER mention the collision. My boss was bummed. Told her to take the 3k settlement being offered and walk away.
Brian Droste 1 year ago (edited)
Some of these were horrendous. Almost quit reading after reading 2 or 3 if these.
Alecto76 1 year ago
On a much lighter note, I'm a lawyer in a personal injury firm and work for a wonderful partner - grandfatherly, just an all around good person. But super prudish. He took on a botched Brazilian butt lift case - I was surprised since the subject made him so uncomfortable. We shared an office with another lawyer who had a very young lady as an assistant. So my boss is preparing for the doctor's dep and is copying a bunch of sales material in the copy room - it of course has pictures. So he comes running into my office and slams the door. He is bright red and panicking. He says she had come into the copy room and glanced at what he was doing. "She thinks I'm a pervert that copies butts!"
BrunoVI 1 year ago (edited)
I often defend America from stupid people who believe stupid things about her. Don't get the impression that there aren't many things I believe are seriously f****d up; it's just what gets reported on BP is usually zombie communist propaganda and political agitprop, not the real problems. One of the real, stupid problems is the way that court fees withhold justice from the poor and working class. Want to file a motion? You'll need a court transcript to support your case. That transcript can cost as much as $35 a page. Not 10 cents like in the real, pre-computer world. $35 a page... and with everything double-spaced and typewriter-font, a simple court hearing can run thousands of dollars... a major lawsuit can cost even tens of millions of dollars. Usually the wealthier party can simply file motion after motion, and simply outspend the poorer party.
Richard Graham 1 year ago
There used to be a clause in most legal contracts that if a person goes insane all judgements against him are null and void. That was known as the Sanity Clause. It has since been repealed. Now there is no such thing as Sanity Clause. (Thank you, Marx Brothers)
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