Pretty sure that's not a Republican thing. Though I'm sure there are some who would say that. I think the worst case scenario excuse is a bit worn out though. Considering it is more and more that we see Democrat policies allowing rapist more freedom and releasing more onto the streets with less punishment.

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What are you saying? Hate, hate, hate. That's all. You're not dealing with reality

Baby it's documented.

Brenda. Are you really defending rapists? Do you like seeing criminals let loose on the streets again? Do you enjoy seeing American crime rates skyrocket? Do you enjoy seeing America become the world's laughingstock? Do you enjoy feeling less safe as the government takes away more methods of defending yourself?

Yeah, when white people advocate for more black babies to be removed from their mothers womb, that's never because of hate.

While I understand what you were trying to say, it was worded a little weirdly that makes it harder to understand so you might get downvoted, thought I'd warn you.

What? When did this become a race issue?

Still happens to women in immigration detention centers in the U.S today.

I think you need to adjust your tinfoil hat.

What word did he say? I can't tell bc it's censored.

If I pulled your cake batter out of the oven and destroyed it, how would you feel? It wasn't a cake yet, so why do you care?

Your analogy = 😖

I was thinking you were being sort of pro-life and now you're comparing a baby to cake batter! This thread has gotten weird... I got to go elsewhere

Well said.

Why not just start killing the rapist?

You mean the pedos, who she just defended

Not to threaten that many democrats, because it would be a lot according to your vague accusation.

lol... just.. no. please. the ignorance!

Ya. If they got an abortion the rapists would still be able to hide. I mean it doesn't matter nowadays anyway because it is so easy to get out of jail with no consequences.

Does anyone know the #1 cause of death for pregnant women in the U.S? Murder. They are murdered generally by the "sperm provider" or a rival love interest of the sperm provider.

"Sperm provider" , but expects ro be treated with respect. Lol.

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That is exactly the issue. But the ones the downvoters on BP have: I don't want to only be with people that share my opinion, it leads to wrong conclusions. I seek confrontation with people that disagree to keep in touch with reality. If others are disturbed by that reality check that's not my problem as I fulfilled my part already. The desperation to downvote those who have a different opinion only hurts those who do the downvoting, not the ones who are here to see how people outside of their own bubble think.

okay Mathis I'll bite... but you need to clarify your statement for me. Are you saying that a woman in the United States who cannot legally make choices about her own body is in some way exaggerating being a victim?

The constant "can't make choices" about one single f*****g thing...one choice, one thing, this one item, that most never will make, is not an impediment. How about the guy who made one mistake, gets a woman pregnant, and has to pay her for 18 years when he had no choice? Shouldn't he have a right not to be responsible? This argument is just beating a dead horse till you can get one more ride out of it. Nonsense. All of this goes back to the burden of cost being laid on the shoulders of the taxpayers for an abortion. If that was not the case, very few, like myself, would care. But always the worst case scenario excuse: "what about the little black girl who is gang raped by the ku klux klan who gave her aids and her baby will ne bord with down syndrome ?". Just stop already with this nonsense.

I'm not making any sort of statement on abortion or that worst case scenario that you bring up. but are you saying that a man who gets a woman pregnant has no financial or emotional responsibility to that situation? he just made a mistake?. Her mistake was the same but she just needs to figure out how to carry a full-time job and take care of a kid by herself?.. . dude you just enhanced the need for a welfare state.

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I'm saying exactly what I said: that by claiming a women has less rights in the US than a dog you victimise women. I don't think I need to even explain the absurdity of the 1st statement. Also your statement is not correct. Yes I know there is a big discussion about abortion rights going on in the US and I can't say much about that as I'm not from the US and my insights are limited. But the last time I checked women by US law are not owned like slaves but by the law have the same rights as any other US citizen. This of course doesn't include biological differences.

You are clearly not from the US and you are wrong, women do not have the same rights. Women don't have the right to medical care. Don't go strawmanning about slavery or putting down pets. The OP's statement stands. Women need permission from their husbands or government to get certain medical care. Women have to disclose their most private medical history with government officials, teachers and law enforcement against their will and men do not so until you know what you're saying stop spewing your opinions. Why would you be upset by this anyway?

@Rudy van Disarzio, what medical care has to be agreed to by the husband? In what cases do they have to share their private history and why / when are men not required to do so while women are? Would be highly appreciated if you can shed light onto that for me. And thanks for your reply - this is exactly what I mean with I want a discussion, you give me information I ask for more, I can learn, maybe I will change my mind after this. People that just complained about my statements didn't lead to anywhere except disagreeing points of view.

okay I sort of understand your point. In the original post someone could not do something for their dog because they didn't have the dog's birthdate. currently in some states in the US a non-medical professional can be told information about a medical procedure that a woman had without her permission... and no they don't need her birthday to get that information. so does appear that the dog has more rights than the woman in that situation.

But did you know Mike for years women were rated as second class Citizens ? Did you lear about suffragists in school ? Did you women were not allowed to have a checking account in the 1960’s here in the US without their father or husband as a co-signer ? Yes women were victimized and had less rights. And the gender pay gap is real too. Look these things up for yourself.

Hi Marie, you make excellent points here! Mathis says he wants to engage with people who think differently than him, I wonder if he'll even read our comments? did you know you can edit a comment after you post? I type in typos and use this feature all the time. Ciick on the three dots next to your comment and it will allow you to edit.

Sorry I meant Matthias.

@Marie Dahme, so you agree that this are things of the past? And yes I know about all of this. But there are 2 sides of the coin and we should be careful with judging the past out of todays perspective. Obviously it was thought that the past solution is not optimal hence we moved forward. For example women didn't even want a right to vote reasoning as they do not work there is no point for them to engage in politics. With women entering the job market they got the right to vote. About the gender pay gap, yes and no. It exists over both genders but not so much if the genders do the same job. And I think we are not doing a good job in countering that because we are too focused on saying women get paid less, instead of acknowledging that women chose less paid jobs - which are equally important - and I think we should try to make these jobs to be better paid. But it's complicated, I have no good answer for this.

Part 3 Don't kid yourself, the gender pay gap is real, right now. Yes, choosing to work in social services does not pay as much as building houses. Some women choose to be engineers or Doctors. In 2021 Women civil engineers earned 85% of what their male counterparts earn. According to the 2023 Physician Compensation Report, men earned nearly $110,000 more than their female counterparts in 2022, representing a 26% pay gap, even when salaries were controlled for specialty, location, and years of experience. I'm game for a good argument when people have different opinions. but not when they consistently oversimplify with sweeping statements that are partially wrong.

The gender pay gap is an extremely complex topic, we can't discuss it in full length here, there are dozens of factors that play into it that's why I fight this generalisation that it's only because of gender. Yes undeniable it has to do with gender but more so with gender traits than with discrimination. Pregnancy for example really puts a dent in a career, yet it's the most beautiful thing. Women are less confrontational and are much less likely to fight for higher salary than men. Men do work longer and are willing to take more risky jobs. Also women do select partners who earn more so women in high paying jobs often enough eventually question why they work so much if their partner makes more anyway and a family gives them more joy than a career. You have to dig deeper than just the numbers and go into every detail of why. It's an extremely complex topic.

edit how did these posts get backwards? Mathis , you got just one thing completely right. You accuse others of making inappropriate generalizations and then you do the same thing. part 1 When you say "women didn't even want a right to vote" you are wrong. Yes, there were certainly some women who did not believe women should have the right to vote AND there were other women who died fighting for the right to vote. Not just in the last few years of the process. Part 2 Women were in the job market long long before they got the right to vote. You seem to be mistakenly only talking about middle to upper class women. Many working women put in 12+ hours a day, 6 to 7 days a week, lived in complete slums and did not have time to fight for the right to vote. I need to catch my breath I'll do part 3 in a minute.

Well the thing with generalisations is: they do work if we talk on society level. Yes you are right that individual women did work - my grandmother was one of them. Being a single mother was hell for her beyond what we can imagine today. Heard of Beate Uhse? Well known for her sex shops... she was a test pilot in WW2, yes these women always did exist. But if you look at the situation of the time it just wasn't possible for the majority of women to work because family hadn't worked then so there were clear gender roles out of necessity and both genders together worked hard on improving life. You know what 2 major changes for women were? Household appliances and hygiene products. Birth control was an even bigger one but not that relevant for the household/working wife situation. If women worked 12+ hours and the men 16, tell me who took care of the kids? Cooking? Shopping? Washing clothes? These were much time consuming tasks back then.

To add: maybe we also have a misunderstanding about generalisations. For example: Women earn less than men - is a true generalisation. But that's just a statement as is, it doesn't say this is good or bad. As soon as you try to do that - which the term "gender pay gap" is mostly used for - then the details get very important and one has to be extremely careful to get good enough data and get it right.

Yes, CLEARLY women would be better protected if no one pointed out that their rights are being taken away. And the ones taking away their rights CLEARLY are doing it on behalf of women's rights. /s After the people responsible for this are swinging from nooses, I'll be happy to debate semantics.