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This Online Group Is Dedicated To Shaming Insane Parents, And Here Are 30 Of Their Best Posts (New Pics)
Becoming a parent is a life changing experience. Suddenly, you are responsible for a whole other human being, and your new full-time job is to give them the best life you can. So you read stacks of books, attend parenting classes and try to soak up as much knowledge as possible to be a great parent. Maybe you even join a few Facebook groups to gain insight from other parents and to be part of a community. It’s nice to have other moms help you find the cutest and most affordable kids clothing without spending hours scouring the internet. Other parents can also provide some support when you just need to vent about the struggles of raising kids. There’s just one thing to be wary of in online parenting groups: they seem to be a breeding ground for crazy people.
Flooded with anti-vax posts and complaints about talentless toddlers, these parenting groups are painfully cringey. The silver lining, however, is that these groups have inspired the hilarious Mom Group Drama subreddit. r/Sh*tMomGroupsSay has 300k members, and shares countless screenshots of ridiculous posts on parenting groups. Their description says they’re “here to judge the ‘No Judge’ culture of the internet mom groups", and we can’t thank them enough for their service. Enjoy this list we’ve compiled of some of the best recent posts, then check out Bored Panda’s previous publications of crazy parenting posts here and here.
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#1
I Don't Have A Problem With Extended Nursing, But Omg Still Using Months?
It’s important for new mothers to feel they have a safe space to ask questions and share their feelings. That place, however, does not need to be an online group. These controversial mommy groups have even sparked discussion from former members who have had enough. In 2020, Chelsy Theriault, creator of the blog Motherhood+Mayhem, published a piece on Filter Free Parents titled “6 Reasons I Hate Mom Facebook Groups”. She explained that at first glance, these groups seemed like a great community to be a part of. Over time, however, she realized that the groups “tended to be a crutch for mothers who either didn’t really want to deal with motherhood issues or didn’t want to (or have the courage or personal strength to) come up with their own solutions to parenting challenges”.
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#2
Breastmilk Isn’t Curing Her Son’s Leukaemia
Priscilla Reshell 2 years ago
You're killing your son already without giving him those chemicals
Chelsy went on to say that these Facebook groups invalidate mothering instincts. “It seems that many moms, instead of assessing a situation and formulating their own solution, immediately run to Facebook to seek advice.” Similarly to how Google seems to have killed many peoples’ critical thinking skills, these mothering groups have squashed some parents’ abilities to make decisions. Chelsy recommends that mothers follow their instincts and skip seeking out help for every minor question that pops into their heads. She also adds a bit of advice a good friend gave her following the birth of her daughter to reassure anxious mothers: “If you don’t drop them or sit on them, you’re doing great.”
#3
I Want To Smack This Parent
#4
I Feel So Bad For This Poor Boy
The next concerning reason Chelsy cited for disliking these groups is that moms seek medical advice in them, rather than going to a real doctor. “I know of a local mom Facebook group in my area that had to put a stop to mothers posting pictures of their children’s rashes and other visible physical ailments,” she noted. Even pregnant women post asking for health advice for themselves, but it’s unlikely many people in the group are actually medical professionals. And with only a Facebook post describing symptoms to go off of, they probably couldn't be of much help anyway. If you are concerned about your own health or your child’s health, please seek out someone with appropriate credentials. Don't just take the word of Cindy from Ohio who is spending 7 hours a day on Facebook during her maternity leave.
#5
You Can't Even Count On Your Own Parents After You Have A Baby
#6
Get The Hell Out With This Nonsense
Along the same lines, Chelsy points out that many mothers ask questions that could easily be solved with a quick Google search. “We’re moms. We’re busy. We don’t have time to do the Googling for other moms.” Next she notes her annoyance about posts that begin with “Okay, mamas, let’s talk [enter topic here]”. “Every time a post starts with this statement, all I can picture is some tacky infomercial tempting me to purchase some cheesy product,” Chelsy adds. Just cut to the chase. "For some reason, introducing a post with 'Let’s talk -' seems pushy and impersonal."
#7
My Friends Are Also Pregnant And I Dont Feel Special. How Dare They Ruin My Experience
Wendy Lorimer 2 years ago
What is she going to feel like once the baby gets more attention than her? Maybe she should grow up THEN have a baby.
#8
Seems, She Really Does Not Want A Boy...
madeline tansey bryson 2 years ago
Have both babies. Give them up for adoption then have your tubes tied
Jihana 2 years ago
Wow...just wow. Also, I am pretty sure if you are already do far along that you know the sex of the children it's too late for an abortion. Why not give birth to both and give the boy up for adoption? Or better yet, give both up for adoption since you are clearly unfit to be a responsible mother.
Lucas 2 years ago
Poor, poor little boy... he's in for a world of unutterable sadness. If he makes it. Wouldn't put it past someone like this to not feed him well enough to thrive. Breaks my heart.
May 2 years ago
I have a friend who freaked out when she found out her second child was a boy. She was so worried that she wouldn't be able to love him, because she only wanted girls. She fell in love the minute he was born, though, and doesn't treat him any differently than her two girls
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SilverSkyCloud 2 years ago
hopefully she starts the burning process before she gets there
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deanna woods 2 years ago
Give your children up for adoption and never breed again. You don't deserve to have children with that thought process.
Rick Hoppenbrouwer 2 years ago
Give them both up for adoption and then get sterilized so you can't breed anymore.
Official_Blink 2 years ago
"Already did the nursery in pink and purple flowers" Bro Cant guys like Pink and purple ? Cant girls like Blue and Black? This woman is dumb... And Homophobe as well
Jon Steensen 2 years ago
At the age where you are in a nursery, I do not think you care a lot about exact colours but is just facinated by everything that is bright. So the colour of the nusery must be a more of a problem in the mind of the mother, than it is for the child, and even if it such a big problem, it is something that can easily be changed. Give it some time, and she will realise that the colours of the walls pales away compared to the other challanges she will face.
Load More Replies... Tracy 2 years ago
How can you hate little boys? Like, I get having a preference and hoping for a boy or girl, but this just seems bizarre. I was hoping for a girl. When we found out we were having a boy, I was still just so excited and happy to be having a baby at all (after some pregnancy losses). He's now 9 months and I couldn't possibly love anyone more.
Raven DeathShade 2 years ago
Aww, I have a 9 month old brother :). He has started standing a bit and expecting everyone to watch him XD.
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K Wit 2 years ago
This can't be real and I don't think you can abort that far a long unless there's an actual problem that will cause death
Mooooomooooo 2 years ago
You can abort until 24 weeks in the UK but she would have to show she was at risk of medical harm. Horrific, I know, but that's the law
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Call Me Mars 2 years ago
Imagine being not wanted when you are in the womb. That's horribly sad.
Jon Steensen 2 years ago
If you don't think you can handle raising a boy, then don't get pregnant. You cannot control the gender of the human you are creating, and there is a around a 50/50 chance(risk) that it will be a boy. I am normally pro abortion, as sometimes it can be a nessesity, but ending a life due to the gender is simply being too cynical, and if you cannot be loving enough to accept a boy, you are not ready for parenting ...and if you think that repainting the nusery is too big a task to handle, you are in for a really big surprice.
chaotic_charlie (they/he) 2 years ago
think about what you just posted and if you're *really* a good fit for a mother
Kathryn Baylis 2 years ago (edited)
Textbook illustration of someone who should never have any children. Ever. I weep for that poor little boy, having to grow up with that b***h of a mother. She sounds like one of those ,others who wanted a girl, but had a boy, so dressed him like a girl while he was growing up. What a way to f**k your child’s mind up. BOLO for this boy to end up becoming a serial killer—-starting with his mother.
Loki’s Lil Butter Knife 2 years ago
What a f*****g narcissistic twit. How about we sterilize you instead? How about we never let you around children you heartless twat.
iblowsheep 2 years ago
I wish we could figure out how to abort the Mother, and save the babies.
Narwhal Blast 2 years ago
My cousin was upset his wife was pregnant with twins, boy and girl. He shouted and beat her for "creating a girl". Before birth, she had a lot of complications and the girl died. The boy needed so many surgeries throughout his life. He's 15, but looks like a 10 yo. I like to think the girl made the choice of not having such a father and not be born in such a family since the mil, my aunt, didn't want her either, and brings me a little peace.
Mick Casey 2 years ago
This is absolutely disgusting.. The fact she is going to abort the little boy just because she hates little boys. Like, there was a 50/50 chance to begin with,
TheDivineMsM 2 years ago
Have both babies, then give them up for adoption because you don't deserve to be a mom
Auntie Panda 12 months ago
Adoption. This is not a puppy you drown. It is human being. If you can take care of the baby let someone that will love him be his mummy and daddy.
Gay-Trash-Panda 2 years ago
"i dont really want this one due to a stereotype" than don't have any kids, you cant just pick and choose
Xavi Palacios 2 years ago
Lol np if ur in the US, cuz abortion is illegal here so u have no option but to grow tf up and deal with it 🤩
Elizabeth McReynolds 2 years ago
You are A PIECE OF S**T! You don’t deserve to have ANY KIDS!!!
Mayrene Chester 2 years ago
People like this makes me somewhat glad abortions are illegal cos it stops stupid people from killing babies for stupid reasons. Then again babies born to them are in for a hell of a time. But this makes me so angry.
Richard Henderson 2 years ago
Make sure to have plenty of gay friends and have them over all the time when the baby boy is growing up. Then he’ll become gay and most likely trans too! The you’ll have two girls. - that’s how conservative logic works, isn’t it?
Samantha Roberson 2 years ago
Abort yourself and save that little boy from having a disgusting excuse of a human being for a mother.
MonkePlayz 2 years ago
Why abort? The poor baby should have a chance to live!!! No cap I have 5 bros (2 older 3 younger) and I’m the only girl. It’s actually not that hard, there not overprotective or anything. They just exist and only rarely bother me. And this r****d lady is crying about having 1 boy I swear to god my BFF has 2 sisters and when I stayed over they fought like animals
Juliane Maxwell 2 years ago
You should not have children, ever!! If you are contemplating aborting one of your twins because you have already decorated....please don't have children
Susan Barker 2 years ago
Original poster is indulging yourself in the worst kind of gender discrimination. I am pro-choice although I have some problems with some things like aborting babies late term, that equates in my mind with murder. Do they think a baby's brain switches on the second it is born? No, babies are people in the womb, they feel pain just as you or I do. I cannot say exactly at what point a bunch of undifferentiated cells become a person so maybe I m not logical, but that is how I feel. The proper time about whether to keep or discard a child is before you get pregnant. Once you do the deed, you are responsible for the results. But I digress.... some cultures have a history of exposing baby girls on a hillside to die. If that is wrong, so is aborting one half of a set of twins, especially since this person is basing that decision solely on gender. Either way, it's murder. Some people should not be allowed to breed.
Laura Ramsey 2 years ago
You should NOT be reproducing. You also should not come within 100 yards of any small child or infant. Bring your twins to term and then IMMEDIATELY put them up for adoption. Some women just are not meant for motherhood; that's you.
Mary Ostlund-Wood 2 years ago
Give them both up for adoption at birth and give them a chance in life.
GramDB 2 years ago
OMG! What a HORRID question … what does the father say? Does he know you want to end the life of his 18 wk old unborn son? Are you even stable enough to be a proper mother? If you don't want your son, have him and put him up for adoption. He deserves a chance to be loved too.
Chloe Kosch 2 years ago
I wouldn't abort. It would be a tough thing to tell your daughter once she's older. I would try to love your son and your daughter both. If you can't then might as well abort both or give them both uo for adoption. Would be cruel keeping your daughter from her twin like that.
Bettye McKee 2 years ago
Not parent material. Best case scenario: Have the twins and adopt out the boy. He already deserves better than you.
Trisha Howson 2 years ago
This woman is crazy she could put both babies at risk. An all kinds of things
Barbara Vandewalle 2 years ago
Put the childREN up for adoption. You don't love them for themselves, only for the candy appearance
Charly Charleen 2 years ago
You should die. Then maybe your twins will have the chance to live with a mither WHO ist able to love.
Your Life Sucks 2 years ago
IS SHE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING ABORTING HER BABY OVER HAVING THE WRONG COLOR FLOWERS IN THE NURSERY.
LynzCatastrophe 2 years ago
I think I'm going to make you give birth to both, and will then put them both up for adoption to a nice couple unable to have kids who will love them no matter what. And I'm strongly pro choice. You don't deserve to have any kids and I deeply hope this is a troll.
Tracy Bulow 2 years ago
I can not even believe someone like this exists. She does not deserve children
William McCarthy 2 years ago
drink away see who survives if it's the boy let him last if the girl you win.
Quiltin Mammar 2 years ago
Just wondering how you got pregnant if you hate boys? Perhaps you should have stick with a dog instead
Alexandra Nara 2 years ago
Not to speak of the way she worries about the boy( agreeing former advices in the comments) The gender doesn't fit to the rooms decoration? wTF? Hope her daughter will be wild and kind of antiprincess to teach her some lessons
Gerry Higgins 2 years ago
She should give both children over to Adult Human Beings, get herself sterilized, then get a puppy... maybe not the puppy, she's not grown up enough for that.
Tim Pierce 2 years ago
Say, anybody seen Sleepaway Camp? Just wondering. So what are we talking about?
NG 2 years ago
I hate this cause say she doesn’t put up her baby boy and keeps him… she’s going to abuse him and put him through the mental trauma of her wanting him to be a girl. she should put the baby up for adoption so he can live a better life, cause what’s she gonna do, force him to go by she/her pronouns? i mean of course the best option is having no children in her case, but she’s got her mind set on that 😐
Celeste Finn 2 years ago (edited)
Must be a troll. But: yes, there is selective reduction—so far as I know it is only offered in cases of multiples in a high risk pregnancy. I will say, the attitude expressed sounds high risk. I would ask that you please bear a healthy child and allow me to adopt him because I do not have your issues. You need to see a doctor about your issues or you need to practice birth control. Really. It’s 50/50 you’ll have a male child. If you hate male children, please do not take the chance. Just adopt girls. I am not kidding about anything I have written here.
Nicole Normand 2 years ago
How can anybody "hate" a baby? Male or female. How is that possible? Seems like someone will call Social Services on her not long after birth.
FABULOUS1 2 years ago
You should sign over your parental rights now before they even come and never have any more children. I pray that little boy has someone else in his life to make him feel wanted and loved. I hope he never grows up to know what you wanted to do to him, or his sister knowing what you wanted to do to her brother. Its hard to be a bad parent before the baby arrives but you accomplished this, hands down.
Emma London 2 years ago
She's crazy. Also, you can't 100% accurately tell baby's sex at that age, so she could abort another girl, or still have only a boy.
*insert funny username* 2 years ago
No I think it’s fair lol I know I’m gonna get downvoted but like idk
aceofspades 2 years ago
bruh "hate little boys" why you hating on your child when they aren't even born?
Jessica Bertram 2 years ago
they really do. my great grandmother set fire to my grandmother because she wanted a boy, not a girl. but when my great aunt came along, my great grandmother changed her tune, spoiling, petting, cosseting my great aunt. my grandmother was neglected.
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Wendy Lorimer 2 years ago
WTF? Why why why, it’s not like ordering online and receiving the wrong colour item.
#9
This Might Be The Best-Worst Thing I’ve Ever Seen In Fundie-Crunchy Mom Group Hell
Next, Chelsy comments on the odd habit some mothers have of displaying their shortcomings to gain pity and attention. She gives an example of a mom asking if she’s the only one who forgets to leave money from the tooth fairy, followed by multiple “haha”s and a face palm emoji. Of course she’s not the only one. Moms are not perfect, and Chelsy empathizes with the pressure mothers often feel. “I think these moms are simply looking for pity or for someone to console them and convince them that they are not a horrid parent. Perhaps they are trying to displace their mom guilt or trying to make light of their mom fails.” “Either way,” Chelsy adds. “It drives me nuts.”
Lastly, Chelsy points out another popular post style on the page: "Pic for attention!" “This is annoying,” she says. “But at least they’re being honest.”
#10
“My Doctor Says My 9mo Baby Is Normal, But He Clearly Has Bipolar!”
#11
Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here
#12
Err...what?
Luckily for moms everywhere, not every online community is full of infuriating posts and medical misinformation. In 2018, Alexis Barad-Cutler launched Not Safe for Mom Group (or nsfmg) after becoming fed up with the “curated Instagram feeds, filtered momfluencers, and holier-than-thou Facebook mom groups that made her feel worse about her parenting”. "Whenever I would go to my mom groups, it felt like I was having a completely different experience than what my peers were having," Barad-Cutler said in an interview with TODAY. "I was mired in postpartum anxiety, depression and psychosis, and my baby was really colicky. So it just felt like there was a cellophane between me and the rest of the world — like I was living on a different planet."
So she channeled her frustrations into writing. But media outlets were not always on board with publishing articles depicting less than picture-perfect realities of motherhood. “That's where it started — the idea that I couldn't say these things out loud," she said. "I wanted to create a community. I wanted a place for people to go and be able to say the things that they're feeling out loud."
#13
That’s Not The School’s Problem
Kimi Tomminello 2 years ago
Oh dear lord. Have your kid get the boys parents' numbers and call/ text them. Or- give the boy your number to give the parents. Or- Facebook/ social media. It's not that hard.
#14
5g Did It!
#15
Won't Someone Please Think Of The Karma!?
Thus, the Not Safe for Mom Group was born. On their website, the group is described as “an online — and IRL— community that welcomes challenging topics around motherhood in a judgment-free setting”. Nsfmg seems like a breath of fresh air compared to the chaotic groups being ridiculed on reddit. Under “who we serve” the site says, “Our community is centered on mothers, those on the journey towards motherhood, those who identify as mothers, the mom-curious, and the folks who support and love moms.” And the reasoning listed for why the site exists is because “tremendous healing can occur when we share our experiences and stories with others. We created this space as a safe haven for messy, uncomfortable dialogue that enables us to to learn and grow from each other."
#16
After This She Asks Which Essential Oils Works For Covid
#17
F**k You And Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!
XSpooky_Mint 2 years ago
1: Don't get her the ultra-thin kind, that's b******t. 2: Pull your head out of your ass and take down the damn post, ya creep
#18
Vacuum Salesman By Age 2!!!
While the website has been active since 2018, nsfmg recently began hosting a podcast as well. Episodes feature candid conversations such as “I Begged For Help and No One Listened: Mothering Through Mental Ilness” and “My Ex’s Sinister Secret: A New Mom’s Shocking Discovery”. Barad-Cutler welcomes these difficult topics on her site. “You don't have to preface anything by saying, 'I love my baby' — it is assumed that you love your child," she explains. "We invite you to curse — we love a good curse word. We welcome a difference of opinion, and we encourage people to use language like 'folks' or 'friends' — not heteronormative language, because we know that not everyone is married or cisgender."
#19
Looking For Preschooler Appropriate Energy Drinks
Brandon Marlowe 2 years ago (edited)
Several cups of strong black coffee is the more natural, organic stimulant of choice for toddlers.
#20
No Fatties Allowed!
#21
It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids
In addition to the podcast, nsfmg’s website also includes a blog, resources for parents struggling with mental health issues or abusive relationships, virtual talking circles “for support in this sh*t-storm”, the opportunity to book private sessions with Barad-Cutler, and a shop (which features a tee shirt proudly saying “NO MORE MOTHERFU*KING MOM GROUPS).
For the ‘anti-mom group’ moms out there, nsfmg seems like an excellent alternative to the run-of-the-mill Facebook groups.
#22
Two Opposing Cleaning Strategies
#23
It Sounds Like You’ve Got A Pretty Smart Kid
#24
Comments Are Filled With Moms Saying That Hygiene Is Non-Negotiable As This Will Lead To Health Problems
Another resource for moms interested in critiquing online mommy culture is the podcast "Under the Influence", hosted by journalist and mother Jo Piazza. "Under the Influence" is described as “a deep dive into the Mom Internet, a place haunted by aspirational marketing where it feels like every other mom is a social media influencer trying to sell you something… Jo Piazza looks at how we got here, what it all means and how the commodification of motherhood is driving mothers a little insane.”
On the topic of mommy blogging, Piazza told TODAY, "It's a multi-billion dollar industry that gets ignored because women are doing it and it's a 'mom thing'. But they're building these huge platforms and I say it all the time: If they were men, they'd be on the cover of Forbes because they're building mini media empires."
#25
Woman Suggests Wrapping An Onion Around A Child's Ear Because It'll "Pull Out" The Infection, Just Like Tears!
#26
Only Boys Are Supposed To Have Disgusting Habits?
#27
This Is What The Admins To Mom Groups Drive
phil blanque 2 years ago
Well, this isn't horrible...except for the "co-sleeping" part. Scarier to me is what kind of person feels the need to advertise their parenting style on the rear window of their vehicle? NO ONE CARES!!!!
Despite how much wisdom raising children can bring, being a mother does not automatically make someone an authority on health, wellness or even parenting. Be cautious of what overbearing mothers are posting in online groups, and find a community where you actually feel safe to express your parenting concerns. But if no online group makes you feel at home or you’re simply not a parent, you might as well get a laugh out of the Mom Group Drama subreddit. We certainly did.
Be sure to upvote the photos you find most egregious and let us know in the comments if you've ever witnessed questionable parenting posts online!
#28
What The Krap?!
XSpooky_Mint 2 years ago
How about "K,somymom'skindacrazyandshedoesn'treallycareifnoonecanspellournamesbecausesheneedslikesonFacebook"? Also, Loki is a Norse God
#29
How Old?!
RP 2 years ago
Actually, this might not be as odd as some people seem to think. Having your baby's hips checked soon after birth is standard hospital care where I live (but by a medical professional!) and neck misalignment can be quite commen if there were issues during the birth, as was the case with mine (suction). Again, this should all be done by a medical professional, but it can be an important check-up to have done.
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Richard A Petro 2 years ago
I will quote Michael Levine here; "Having children no more makes you a parent than having a piano makes you a pianist."
Wolf Queen 1 year ago
You should have to pass an IQ test to have kids... 😑
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Bettye McKee 2 years ago
I couldn't continue. This stuff is sickening. What parents are doing to their kids is obscene!
L Johnson 1 year ago
WHY?? WHY?? Do "parents" have to give their children impossible names to spell or pronounce? Like Oprah, who constantly insisted she was named after some African queen or whatever, until her mom revealed she made it up (her mom must have hallucinated during Marx brothers movies and thought he was named Oprah). The absolute worst name I had ever seen was someone who apparently was a drug addict and put a string of words together, over 20 words, as a name. I wouldn't tell you what it is but can you imagine something like this: Ilikemymomanddadbutiwillbeaworthlessdrugaddictwhenigrowupbecauseofthisnamemyparentsgavemeandihavetopaythreehundreddollarstogetthecourtstochangeitandthegovernmentmakesmewritethiswholethingasmyname Seriously people!! You are not creative! You are harming your child.
Monica Pryts 2 years ago
I couldn't read past the first 10. Too disturbing. These idiots are making the rest of us parents look bad.
John Baker 2 years ago
There have always been people who just aren't fit to be parents, but there seems to be so many more of them these days...
Red Ruffensor 2 years ago
I'm sure I speak for everyone when I express my gratitude for there being no mention of gender reveals here.
Richard A Petro 2 years ago
I will quote Michael Levine here; "Having children no more makes you a parent than having a piano makes you a pianist."
Wolf Queen 1 year ago
You should have to pass an IQ test to have kids... 😑
Load More Replies... Bettye McKee 2 years ago
I couldn't continue. This stuff is sickening. What parents are doing to their kids is obscene!
L Johnson 1 year ago
WHY?? WHY?? Do "parents" have to give their children impossible names to spell or pronounce? Like Oprah, who constantly insisted she was named after some African queen or whatever, until her mom revealed she made it up (her mom must have hallucinated during Marx brothers movies and thought he was named Oprah). The absolute worst name I had ever seen was someone who apparently was a drug addict and put a string of words together, over 20 words, as a name. I wouldn't tell you what it is but can you imagine something like this: Ilikemymomanddadbutiwillbeaworthlessdrugaddictwhenigrowupbecauseofthisnamemyparentsgavemeandihavetopaythreehundreddollarstogetthecourtstochangeitandthegovernmentmakesmewritethiswholethingasmyname Seriously people!! You are not creative! You are harming your child.
Monica Pryts 2 years ago
I couldn't read past the first 10. Too disturbing. These idiots are making the rest of us parents look bad.
John Baker 2 years ago
There have always been people who just aren't fit to be parents, but there seems to be so many more of them these days...
Red Ruffensor 2 years ago
I'm sure I speak for everyone when I express my gratitude for there being no mention of gender reveals here.
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