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“AITA For Canceling On A Group Of Very Out Of Shape Women That Hired Me To Guide Their Hikes?”
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“AITA For Canceling On A Group Of Very Out Of Shape Women That Hired Me To Guide Their Hikes?”

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Hiking is a favored recreational activity by many, as it can be enjoyed by both beginners and avid hikers. The key is finding the right path for you, which you might want to think long and hard about, so you don’t run out of breath—and out of snacks—before even reaching the middle of the trail.

Some of the women in this group did both, as they weren’t quite ready for the adventure they embarked on. After being not entirely honest about their readiness with their guide, they couldn’t conquer the routes he had prepared for them, which eventually led to quite a scandal. Scroll down to find the full story below.

Below you will also find Bored Panda’s interviews with the professor of outdoor recreation at Memorial University of Newfoundland in St. John’s, Canada, TA Loeffler, and Associate Professor in the Department of American Studies at University of Notre Dame, Annie Gilbert Coleman, who were kind enough to discuss the topic with us and answer a few of our questions.

Hiking is something people of all ages can enjoy, as long as they properly evaluate their capabilities

Image credits: zoranzeremski / envato (not the actual photo)

This group of women seemingly overestimated their readiness for hiking

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It’s important to be truthful with the guide for both your safety as well as enjoyment

Nowadays, hiking is a rather popular activity, as you can probably see just by the sheer amount of hiking-related content online. However, it’s not all the same – there are plenty of videos that show both the breathtakingly picturesque and seemingly easy peasy lemon squeezy kind of hikes, as well as the reality of hiking that is difficult difficult lemon difficult.

And while the level of how challenging the hike is depends on numerous factors—such as the incline and the length, just to name a couple—it is also affected by the amount of preparation one puts in, or lack thereof. Of course, no one is born knowing how to do things or being fit enough to embark on any adventure, which is why it’s perfectly fine to start small. And it’s important not to overestimate your abilities and, as the OP’s story showed, not to lie to your trainer if you’re working with one.

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“It is critical for both your safety and enjoyment to be truthful with your guide. The guide has the ability to adjust some aspects of a trip somewhat and it’s better that they have a realistic picture of your capabilities going into the trip rather than observing it out on the trail, river, or climb,” professor of outdoor recreation TA Loeffler told Bored Panda in a recent interview.

Failing to inform the guide of your readiness, according to the expert, can result in disruptions ranging from being dismissed from the trip to endangering yourself and others, or ruining the trip for those who were able to prepare for it adequately, none of which sounds like fun.

Another expert, an Associate Professor in the Department of American Studies at University of Notre Dame, Annie Gilbert Coleman, seconded the idea that open communication with the guide is crucial in order to have an adventure that is both safe and fun. “It’s a guide’s job to help people stay safe and have a good outdoor experience, and whatever requirements or training guides and outfitters establish are based on their knowledge and expertise of the locale and the activity. This knowledge and expertise is what clients pay for when they hire a guide, so lying about their level of fitness or experience makes it difficult if not impossible for guides to do their job.”

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Taking a moment to evaluate your capabilities is also important, especially in the beginning of engaging in a certain activity

According to Loeffler, it’s equally important to be honest about what you can and can’t do with others as it is with yourself. “It is said that you don’t know what you don’t know, until you know it. People at the beginning of their outdoor lives don’t yet have an adequate picture of their abilities, the risks entailed, and the potential outcomes of being in over your head. Also they don’t realize that ‘right sizing’ the adventure is critical to enjoyment as well,” she told Bored Panda.

“Even though occasionally it’s good to have a stretch experience, it’s useful to build both outdoor skills and physical capabilities over years rather than months. It can be hard to realistically self-assess our readiness at times as well and that’s where an outdoor mentor can come into play.”

Assessing the skills correctly and finding the best recreational activity for you can result in quite a few benefits. According to the expert in outdoor recreation, some of the best perks of engaging in outdoor recreational activities include huge mental health benefits, a sense of accomplishment and adventure, learning to be uncomfortable, beautiful views and nature immersion, friendship, camaraderie, seeing new culture, visiting remote locations, and getting away from daily life.

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If you’re inspired to give hiking a go, look up some areas nearby where you could start building up the skill and stamina necessary, or start by taking a walk at the local park, before embarking on a more difficult difficult lemon difficult kind of route.

The OP provided more details in the comments

Fellow netizens decided that the guide was not a jerk in the situation

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Miglė Miliūtė

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A writer here at Bored Panda, I am a lover of good music, good food, and good company, which makes food-related topics and feel-good stories my favorite ones to cover. Passionate about traveling and concerts, I constantly seek occasions to visit places yet personally unexplored. I also enjoy spending free time outdoors, trying out different sports—even if I don’t look too graceful at it—or socializing over a cup of coffee.

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Miglė Miliūtė

Miglė Miliūtė

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A writer here at Bored Panda, I am a lover of good music, good food, and good company, which makes food-related topics and feel-good stories my favorite ones to cover. Passionate about traveling and concerts, I constantly seek occasions to visit places yet personally unexplored. I also enjoy spending free time outdoors, trying out different sports—even if I don’t look too graceful at it—or socializing over a cup of coffee.

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Kotryna Br

Kotryna Br

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Kotryna is a Photo Editor at Bored Panda with a BA in Graphic Design. Before Bored Panda, she worked as a freelance graphic designer and illiustrator. When not editing, she enjoys working with clay, drawing, playing board games and drinking good tea.

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FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP did the right thing. The main job of the guide is safety not motivation. Obviously it helps to be patient, kind etc, but the main goal is get everyone back with the least amount of damage. This group couldn't follow safety instructions about gear/clothing, they aren't going to follow safety instructions about more immediately dangerous things like routes. Taking them to altitude would be even worse. They clearly lied on their forms, they may have conditions that weren't disclosed. There are plenty of online regimes they can follow to get in better shape, if they don't want to listen to their guide. Don't take the risk.

similarly
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Exactly right. It's the "Brown M&M" rule. Van Halen had a clause in their contract: a bowl of M&Ms with no brown M&Ms. They said that if they walked into the dressing room and saw brown M&Ms in the bowl, chances were good that other IMPORTANT details were not looked at carefully. They said a lot of venues would just say "YES YES YES" to everything without checking it out, things like amperage capacity, weight capacity of the stage, etc. If people don't follow safety instructions about clothing gear: absolutely right! It's a safe bet they're not going to listen to other instructions that might be more important.

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Hphizzle
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op is an instructor whose primary goal is guiding safe hikes. They are not a personal trainer, physical therapist, motivational speaker. Rules weren’t being followed, training advice was ignored, and adjusting for ability was blatantly rejected. They were bad clients regardless of body type. A prorated refund sounds like good business sense to me.

Amelia Jade
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a an avid, but chubby hiker, I was prepared to be mad at this person. I'm not. They did the right thing. This has nothing to do with the group being fat. It has everything to do with the group overstating their ability, whining & complaining, and not showing up prepared. OP was patient, and gave them more than one chance. I'm not sure I could have. I'd have been livid the second I realized they ignored safety guidelines and showed up unprepared. None of the issues OP has with thr group are actually about their size.

ElfVibratorGlitter
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah. As an incredibly out of shape but not over weight person, I've been passed by so many people who appear out of shape because they're large, but they clearly aren't because they're like zooming compared to me. I too thought this was going to head a different way, but nope. :)

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FreeTheUnicorn
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP did the right thing. The main job of the guide is safety not motivation. Obviously it helps to be patient, kind etc, but the main goal is get everyone back with the least amount of damage. This group couldn't follow safety instructions about gear/clothing, they aren't going to follow safety instructions about more immediately dangerous things like routes. Taking them to altitude would be even worse. They clearly lied on their forms, they may have conditions that weren't disclosed. There are plenty of online regimes they can follow to get in better shape, if they don't want to listen to their guide. Don't take the risk.

similarly
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Exactly right. It's the "Brown M&M" rule. Van Halen had a clause in their contract: a bowl of M&Ms with no brown M&Ms. They said that if they walked into the dressing room and saw brown M&Ms in the bowl, chances were good that other IMPORTANT details were not looked at carefully. They said a lot of venues would just say "YES YES YES" to everything without checking it out, things like amperage capacity, weight capacity of the stage, etc. If people don't follow safety instructions about clothing gear: absolutely right! It's a safe bet they're not going to listen to other instructions that might be more important.

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Hphizzle
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op is an instructor whose primary goal is guiding safe hikes. They are not a personal trainer, physical therapist, motivational speaker. Rules weren’t being followed, training advice was ignored, and adjusting for ability was blatantly rejected. They were bad clients regardless of body type. A prorated refund sounds like good business sense to me.

Amelia Jade
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a an avid, but chubby hiker, I was prepared to be mad at this person. I'm not. They did the right thing. This has nothing to do with the group being fat. It has everything to do with the group overstating their ability, whining & complaining, and not showing up prepared. OP was patient, and gave them more than one chance. I'm not sure I could have. I'd have been livid the second I realized they ignored safety guidelines and showed up unprepared. None of the issues OP has with thr group are actually about their size.

ElfVibratorGlitter
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah. As an incredibly out of shape but not over weight person, I've been passed by so many people who appear out of shape because they're large, but they clearly aren't because they're like zooming compared to me. I too thought this was going to head a different way, but nope. :)

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