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People Are Boggled By “Exhausting” Conversation Between Hairdresser And Client That Went Viral

People Are Boggled By “Exhausting” Conversation Between Hairdresser And Client That Went Viral

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Whenever I go to the hairdresser, I ask if they mind if I wear headphones. Podcasts are a brilliant thing for anyone who, like me, doesn’t like sitting in a chair for an hour or so and simply staring at themselves in the mirror to absolutely no avail…

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You may ask – what am I talking about? But here’s what – I recently came across this video, which received no less than 12.9M views on TikTok. And its author, the user @jpalmhairdressing from Omaha, Nebraska, has a rather specific approach to getting started. An approach that caused a lively discussion on the internet.

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    The hairdresser starts their work by asking the client’s consent to touch them and exchanging pronouns

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    Image credits: Wells Chan (not the actual photo)

    “Okay, is it okay if I touch it?”

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    “- Yeah.
    – Okay, cool. And what are your pronouns?
    – They/them.
    – She/they. I’m glad we exchanged those.
    – Yes.

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    Image credits: Adam Winger (not the actual photo)

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    As I understand it, in this video, the Original Poster (OP) planned, first of all, to show how she explains to the client the specifics of the haircut process in order to avoid possible complaints in the future. After all, we all have different head shapes, and the structure and texture of our hair is also very different. But netizens were triggered by something else in this video.

    At the very beginning of it, the hairdresser asks the client if they’re ready to be touched, and then clarifies their pronouns, while simultaneously telling them theirs. On the one hand, it looks as tactful and polite as possible, but on the other hand, if a person comes to the hairdresser, then this probably means touching, right?

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    So does this look like a clear overreaction? As we can see, the client was not surprised by the hairdresser’s words – they took everything for granted and continued to listen to further clarifications about the haircut. But many people in the comments to the video were more than surprised. Some generally believe that ‘the best barber is a silent barber’. “My barber doesn’t even say a word to me, Nicest guy I’ve ever met,” someone wrote in the comments.

    By the way, many hairdressing professionals also believe that chatting with the client during the work process is not always good. “As long as we have a good chat at the beginning and both of us know exactly what’s going on with the haircut or style, I am happy for the client to sit back and relax,” Mamamia.com.au quotes three-time Australian Hairdresser of the Year Joey Scandizzo. “I’m pretty sure they are happier when they see me focused and not just there for a chat.”

    As for asking the client about consent to touching, many netizens believe that this is quite unnecessary – after all, a haircut itself implies touching. “If I go to get a haircut, I expect the hair stylist to touch my hair, no?” one commenter ponders quite sarcastically.

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    But the question about pronouns sparked perhaps the greatest discussion. Some people think this is too much: “My entire social battery would’ve been depleted by the first two questions. Would’ve just gotten up and gone home,” one of the commenters wrote. “These types of interactions seem exhausting,” another person claimed.

    Another person, on the contrary, sincerely believes that the hair stylist is doing a great thing here: “You are a lovely person. It’s wonderful how you ask before touching your clients and ask their pronouns.” And what do you, our dear readers, think about this? Have you ever encountered such an approach from your hair stylists, and what was your reaction? Please feel free to share your words in the comments.

    People in the comments were divided in their reactions regarding this video, and a heated debate ensued

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    Beth H
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    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I cannot understand this at all. Like the other commenters why would you be there if you weren't ok with a hairdresser touching your hair?!

    Scotty B
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    11 months ago

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    No, you don't want to. If you actually put in effort you would.

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    WindySwede
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    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “Okay, is it okay if I touch it?” Is there something I miss here? I booked the appointment, I have already given permission for the hairdresser to do their job, I'm sitting in the chair? /gen 🤷‍♂️ And next time I'm thinking about getting a 'silent' booking, so I just can close my eyes and rest, and unnecessary talkytalky.

    Trillian
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would think it so weird if my hairdresser asked if they could touch my hair. Like, that's what I'm here for?? Also, just to understand: Pronouns are for talking ABOUT people, not to them. So to talk to my client I don't need their pronouns?

    Ms.GB
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think making the appointment to get a haircut, manicure, wax or massage IS the consent.

    WLG
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd walk out the building so quickly. It's a service, she's a hairdresser. I'd be amazed if she managed to cut her hair without touching her, yet she knows this. It's just for attention. As for the pronouns, what on earth has it got to do with her? She's not going to be talking to them, referring to them in third person like I am now, so why does it matter? I would find it so personally invasive. Unless you're in the medical field, what right do you think you have to ask someone their gender or their pronouns? Mind your own business and do the service you're being paid to do. All posted for attention and validation. Like we don't know what you're doing. Just sad.

    Ace
    Community Member
    11 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are times as a ski instructor when I may be able to demonstrate something better by touching someone, and others where a helping hand to a part of the body other then their hands may be good, to help somebody stand up after a fall for instance and of course one would always ask permission, or in a more urgent case simply say what you're going to do (I'm moving your leg to help release the ski, to stop you screaming in agony). It's a physical activity and sometimes the touching may be needed in the most inappropriate of places so it's essential that they understand. On the other hand I wouldn't normally ask permission to take their hand, or even their elbow, at times. It's all about what is accepted as normal without needing to be stated, boundaries depend on circumstances. But a hairdresser? Naah, it's implicit. Unless they're touching somewhere other than the clients scalp, of course...

    Rachel
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well meant but maybe a bit much. I think it’s safe to assume touching my hair is okay if I am there for a cut. The pronoun thing, eh, nice to know so I don’t screw up.

    Marnie
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't agree that this is "well meant". If she were 12 or 13, then I could concede that maybe it's just a matter of being well meant. This is just attention-seeking or "virtue signalling" as the kids say. I think it is actually harmful, because it is almost a mockery of ACTUALLY being kind and tolerant and respectful.

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    Ron Baza
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is just s**t satire. Or just s**t. Either way, 🤷‍♂️

    DippityDooDerp
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Perfect example of someone who writes for BP having the inability to fully watch or read something. It's a skit. She wasn't legitimately asking.

    Marnie
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seriously?! God damn it. If this is a skit, well, that what is the effing point? I'm not going to look at any stupid BP post about Tik Tok videos going forward if they're going to post satire and/or fake videos.

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    PFD
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wrt a hairdresser not touching hair... Surely I can't be the only one to have immediately thought of the Monty Python barbershop sketch?

    Alethea Fletcher
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Total set up by the super sensitive embies who need validation by their suck up followers. I mean, seriously...🙄

    Niki A
    Community Member
    8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This would cause me trauma, but I appreciate her trying to minimize it for others. However, I would assume a better question would be, "Now that we've discussed what you want, are you ready to begin?"

    Pickle (they/she)
    Community Member
    10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The hair touching is a bit unnecessary. Also, the hairdresser should ask if the client wants to chat/have a quiet session.

    Elin Noller
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The question if they can touch is so they know if the person is prepared mentally. Lots of ppl with some sort of trauma need to steel themselves. I think its great that a shop is avaliable for those that need this. And for ppl that don't fit the norm with pronouns and what not. This shop is not for "regular" folks, so why have an opinion on it? It's not for you. Think of it as a specialty field. If you don't need it then don't use it, and good for you I guess? Like orthopedic insoles.

    Cloakred_Is_Bored
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, I came here so you can look at my hair, not touch it. Obviously

    ObsidianAce_
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Genuinely do not see the big deal about this. It’s fine. It doesn’t hurt to ask. I saw a stitch to the original post that had a man saying that his dentist, before starting the appointment, asked if he was nervous. He said in the video it made him feel a lot more comfortable. Yes, it “doesn’t matter if he’s nervous because he made the appointment,” but it was just a little thing that made the appointment a better experience.

    Sherman
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pronoun exchange. Fine. But asking to touch someone? While getting their hair done? Weird. Just say "hey I'm going to touch your hair now" if you really feel the need to but if they're not okay w/ it then why are they there? Wtf

    PFD
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Obviously both are unnecessary, but literally all politeness is. It's no more redundant than them asking how you are, is it? No one's ranting, "Why are you asking how I'm doing? You're not a therapist! It's just virtue signalling!" If it makes their customers feel respected, and it's what the customers like, then it's a perfectly valid formula. It'd feel weird and performative to me, but no more so than when people address me as "sir".

    jax
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it's a conversation between two random people, why do you guys care so much?

    Kate DeLaughter
    Community Member
    11 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because it's f*****g stupid and obviously performative. Otherwise this narcissistic POS wouldn't be posting this dumb s**t all over social media asking for further validation. Stop.

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    MrsFettesVette
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    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's considerate to ask first. He's, the client is sitting there, ostensibly to have their hair done. BUT they may feel anxious, socially drained, etc, and the hair stylist asking prior to touching the clients hair let's them know, "ok, now the touching part is going to happen". I'm wondering how many of the people questioning that the hair stylist asked first actually work in a profession where people are touched in an intimate way. I always let my patients know before I start examining them. They did make the appointment and walk into my operatory, but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate some warning.

    Marnie
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Touching someone's hair is not uncomfortable for most people. Across many species, it is a comfort and a joy to have one's hair touched. That is not true for most patients being touched in "intimate ways". If someone goes to get their hair touched, they better damned well expect to have their hair touched. Now, only if they have sensory issues should they maybe be warned right at the time, like, "Okay, I'm going to start touching your hair now." But that should be a special request from the client. (I'm autistic and could see that happening.) It's not cool to make 99.99999% of the people UNCOMFORTABLE with crazy stuff like this just to appease the .000001% that might appreciate it. The hairdresser is just looking for likes on the internet. It's performative virtue signaling, and it's mocking of actual caring people.

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    Sarah M.
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oof the number of commenters in here who absolutely cannot fathom how different people can have different preferences and are friggin offended at the idea that a sensitive stylist might be helpful to some. I personally would LOVE this. I am a cis woman of a certain age but when i go to the stylist (RARE, I cut my own hair most of the time because I am very shy and get anxious) this would be so amazing. Having the stylist take the lead and really dive in to expectations would be SO helpful. As to the people who are like "if you make an appointment that is consent" how very wrong you are. Sitting in a chair and having a stylist just grab a hunk of my hair and start fiddling would be SO startling. I interpret that as "can I touch your hair at this moment" which is like giving a lil warning that you're going in there. Like when I go for a vax I expect to get stabbed but I am so appreciative when the tech does the alcohol swab bit and says "ok ready?" before actually doing the stabby bit.

    Scotty B
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm gonna simplify it for you people who fear change: girl goes into barber shop having society (you,idiots) telling her how she can and cannot see herself. The stylist is respecting the moment because the girl never saw herself that way, but you all want her to wear pretty dresses and fit in because you're narrow minded. They finally allow permission to say goodbye to what she's been told to be and gets to be who he wants to be. NOTICE HOW THE PRONOUNS CHANGED AT THE END?! Did you die? That is why permission was asked. That's why pronouns matter to some but clearly not to you. What's next?!? Women wearing pants and leaving the kitchen?!? Men getting massages and .... crying?!?! Evolve or get left behind

    ॐBoyGanesh
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the implied consent was still there. However, some people (maybe trauma, maybe neurodivergent, maybe something else) need to know when the touching shall begin. One could say, “Okay, I’m going to start now,” but that’s using one’s agency to tell another what they’re going do to them. If you’re already going to clarify when contact will begin, why not allow the other person’s agency to determine that? Hence, “Is it ok if I *begin* (the concept was precisely implied so no need to ask “if” ask “when”) to cut your hair?” I imagine this could be exhausting on both ends, especially given the implication by the very nature. Yet, when there is consideration it may be beneficial, just ask. Now on the flip side, how would a surgeon use the patient’s agency to commence touching??? Asking for consent when it’s already implied is nuanced; not a strict practice.

    Adam Belaire
    Community Member
    11 months ago

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    It may sound silly for a barber/hairdresser to do that when that's the purpose of the visit, but It's not about the job; it's about reinforcing consent. The more we reinforce that you can't just touch someone without their permission, hopefully the more people will understand it's importance, the more uncomfortable situations were someone doesn't want to be hugged or touched will not happen.

    Falcon on Dizzy
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    mf making the appointment is consent, what the f**k are you gonna do if they don't give consent? cancel?

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    Beth H
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I cannot understand this at all. Like the other commenters why would you be there if you weren't ok with a hairdresser touching your hair?!

    Scotty B
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    11 months ago

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    No, you don't want to. If you actually put in effort you would.

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    WindySwede
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “Okay, is it okay if I touch it?” Is there something I miss here? I booked the appointment, I have already given permission for the hairdresser to do their job, I'm sitting in the chair? /gen 🤷‍♂️ And next time I'm thinking about getting a 'silent' booking, so I just can close my eyes and rest, and unnecessary talkytalky.

    Trillian
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would think it so weird if my hairdresser asked if they could touch my hair. Like, that's what I'm here for?? Also, just to understand: Pronouns are for talking ABOUT people, not to them. So to talk to my client I don't need their pronouns?

    Ms.GB
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think making the appointment to get a haircut, manicure, wax or massage IS the consent.

    WLG
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd walk out the building so quickly. It's a service, she's a hairdresser. I'd be amazed if she managed to cut her hair without touching her, yet she knows this. It's just for attention. As for the pronouns, what on earth has it got to do with her? She's not going to be talking to them, referring to them in third person like I am now, so why does it matter? I would find it so personally invasive. Unless you're in the medical field, what right do you think you have to ask someone their gender or their pronouns? Mind your own business and do the service you're being paid to do. All posted for attention and validation. Like we don't know what you're doing. Just sad.

    Ace
    Community Member
    11 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are times as a ski instructor when I may be able to demonstrate something better by touching someone, and others where a helping hand to a part of the body other then their hands may be good, to help somebody stand up after a fall for instance and of course one would always ask permission, or in a more urgent case simply say what you're going to do (I'm moving your leg to help release the ski, to stop you screaming in agony). It's a physical activity and sometimes the touching may be needed in the most inappropriate of places so it's essential that they understand. On the other hand I wouldn't normally ask permission to take their hand, or even their elbow, at times. It's all about what is accepted as normal without needing to be stated, boundaries depend on circumstances. But a hairdresser? Naah, it's implicit. Unless they're touching somewhere other than the clients scalp, of course...

    Rachel
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well meant but maybe a bit much. I think it’s safe to assume touching my hair is okay if I am there for a cut. The pronoun thing, eh, nice to know so I don’t screw up.

    Marnie
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't agree that this is "well meant". If she were 12 or 13, then I could concede that maybe it's just a matter of being well meant. This is just attention-seeking or "virtue signalling" as the kids say. I think it is actually harmful, because it is almost a mockery of ACTUALLY being kind and tolerant and respectful.

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    Ron Baza
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is just s**t satire. Or just s**t. Either way, 🤷‍♂️

    DippityDooDerp
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Perfect example of someone who writes for BP having the inability to fully watch or read something. It's a skit. She wasn't legitimately asking.

    Marnie
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seriously?! God damn it. If this is a skit, well, that what is the effing point? I'm not going to look at any stupid BP post about Tik Tok videos going forward if they're going to post satire and/or fake videos.

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    PFD
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wrt a hairdresser not touching hair... Surely I can't be the only one to have immediately thought of the Monty Python barbershop sketch?

    Alethea Fletcher
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Total set up by the super sensitive embies who need validation by their suck up followers. I mean, seriously...🙄

    Niki A
    Community Member
    8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This would cause me trauma, but I appreciate her trying to minimize it for others. However, I would assume a better question would be, "Now that we've discussed what you want, are you ready to begin?"

    Pickle (they/she)
    Community Member
    10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The hair touching is a bit unnecessary. Also, the hairdresser should ask if the client wants to chat/have a quiet session.

    Elin Noller
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The question if they can touch is so they know if the person is prepared mentally. Lots of ppl with some sort of trauma need to steel themselves. I think its great that a shop is avaliable for those that need this. And for ppl that don't fit the norm with pronouns and what not. This shop is not for "regular" folks, so why have an opinion on it? It's not for you. Think of it as a specialty field. If you don't need it then don't use it, and good for you I guess? Like orthopedic insoles.

    Cloakred_Is_Bored
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, I came here so you can look at my hair, not touch it. Obviously

    ObsidianAce_
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Genuinely do not see the big deal about this. It’s fine. It doesn’t hurt to ask. I saw a stitch to the original post that had a man saying that his dentist, before starting the appointment, asked if he was nervous. He said in the video it made him feel a lot more comfortable. Yes, it “doesn’t matter if he’s nervous because he made the appointment,” but it was just a little thing that made the appointment a better experience.

    Sherman
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pronoun exchange. Fine. But asking to touch someone? While getting their hair done? Weird. Just say "hey I'm going to touch your hair now" if you really feel the need to but if they're not okay w/ it then why are they there? Wtf

    PFD
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Obviously both are unnecessary, but literally all politeness is. It's no more redundant than them asking how you are, is it? No one's ranting, "Why are you asking how I'm doing? You're not a therapist! It's just virtue signalling!" If it makes their customers feel respected, and it's what the customers like, then it's a perfectly valid formula. It'd feel weird and performative to me, but no more so than when people address me as "sir".

    jax
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it's a conversation between two random people, why do you guys care so much?

    Kate DeLaughter
    Community Member
    11 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because it's f*****g stupid and obviously performative. Otherwise this narcissistic POS wouldn't be posting this dumb s**t all over social media asking for further validation. Stop.

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    MrsFettesVette
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's considerate to ask first. He's, the client is sitting there, ostensibly to have their hair done. BUT they may feel anxious, socially drained, etc, and the hair stylist asking prior to touching the clients hair let's them know, "ok, now the touching part is going to happen". I'm wondering how many of the people questioning that the hair stylist asked first actually work in a profession where people are touched in an intimate way. I always let my patients know before I start examining them. They did make the appointment and walk into my operatory, but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate some warning.

    Marnie
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Touching someone's hair is not uncomfortable for most people. Across many species, it is a comfort and a joy to have one's hair touched. That is not true for most patients being touched in "intimate ways". If someone goes to get their hair touched, they better damned well expect to have their hair touched. Now, only if they have sensory issues should they maybe be warned right at the time, like, "Okay, I'm going to start touching your hair now." But that should be a special request from the client. (I'm autistic and could see that happening.) It's not cool to make 99.99999% of the people UNCOMFORTABLE with crazy stuff like this just to appease the .000001% that might appreciate it. The hairdresser is just looking for likes on the internet. It's performative virtue signaling, and it's mocking of actual caring people.

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    Sarah M.
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oof the number of commenters in here who absolutely cannot fathom how different people can have different preferences and are friggin offended at the idea that a sensitive stylist might be helpful to some. I personally would LOVE this. I am a cis woman of a certain age but when i go to the stylist (RARE, I cut my own hair most of the time because I am very shy and get anxious) this would be so amazing. Having the stylist take the lead and really dive in to expectations would be SO helpful. As to the people who are like "if you make an appointment that is consent" how very wrong you are. Sitting in a chair and having a stylist just grab a hunk of my hair and start fiddling would be SO startling. I interpret that as "can I touch your hair at this moment" which is like giving a lil warning that you're going in there. Like when I go for a vax I expect to get stabbed but I am so appreciative when the tech does the alcohol swab bit and says "ok ready?" before actually doing the stabby bit.

    Scotty B
    Community Member
    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm gonna simplify it for you people who fear change: girl goes into barber shop having society (you,idiots) telling her how she can and cannot see herself. The stylist is respecting the moment because the girl never saw herself that way, but you all want her to wear pretty dresses and fit in because you're narrow minded. They finally allow permission to say goodbye to what she's been told to be and gets to be who he wants to be. NOTICE HOW THE PRONOUNS CHANGED AT THE END?! Did you die? That is why permission was asked. That's why pronouns matter to some but clearly not to you. What's next?!? Women wearing pants and leaving the kitchen?!? Men getting massages and .... crying?!?! Evolve or get left behind

    ॐBoyGanesh
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    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the implied consent was still there. However, some people (maybe trauma, maybe neurodivergent, maybe something else) need to know when the touching shall begin. One could say, “Okay, I’m going to start now,” but that’s using one’s agency to tell another what they’re going do to them. If you’re already going to clarify when contact will begin, why not allow the other person’s agency to determine that? Hence, “Is it ok if I *begin* (the concept was precisely implied so no need to ask “if” ask “when”) to cut your hair?” I imagine this could be exhausting on both ends, especially given the implication by the very nature. Yet, when there is consideration it may be beneficial, just ask. Now on the flip side, how would a surgeon use the patient’s agency to commence touching??? Asking for consent when it’s already implied is nuanced; not a strict practice.

    Adam Belaire
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    11 months ago

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    It may sound silly for a barber/hairdresser to do that when that's the purpose of the visit, but It's not about the job; it's about reinforcing consent. The more we reinforce that you can't just touch someone without their permission, hopefully the more people will understand it's importance, the more uncomfortable situations were someone doesn't want to be hugged or touched will not happen.

    Falcon on Dizzy
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    11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    mf making the appointment is consent, what the f**k are you gonna do if they don't give consent? cancel?

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