I was wondering when someone would downvote me for pointing that out, too.

We teach girls to be afraid - its unintentional, but that's the message that comes across. We *know* its unacceptable, because we experience it. I dont agree that boys should be taught archaic manners to compensate, but societies rules for acceptable behaviour is disproportionately weighted

Hello, I am sorry David for overtaking your comment section, but I would like to point out that there are different waves in the feminist movement as well as differing views and opinions on certain topics for most feminists. This is for @BoredRaccoon and @Froggo. It should be known that while both of your opinions are certainly valid, it does not mean that you both should be slandering each other for your different viewpoints. That being said, both men and women can face sexism, and there is both toxic femininity and masculinity that can affect them. Both men and women can be raped. Both can want equal rights. Whether that be for women wanting to be taken more seriously in certain fields such as STEM because they are seen as "house-wife material", or men wanting to be accepted in Childcare and not portrayed as child predators. Both sexes can be scolded by the same sex for not living up to certain stereotypes. Even if you have not experienced it personally. Sorry, that is all.

@Froggo that’s not even remotely true and any woman who says “men are trash” or something similar does it in response to immense sexism that she has faced over the course of her life - being objectified, reduced to a stereotype, harassed and being the butt of jokes. If you haven’t seen such examples all over social media of young boys and sometimes even adult men treating women like some kind of joke, then you should check your privilege. You are not the victim. Also, I don’t know why you say you’re an egalitarian like it’s something to be praised for that you want equality. That’s the bare minimum, and anyway wanting equal rights for men and women is just called feminism. No need to use a separate word.

There is nothing wrong with feminism and feminists, Doggo. Everyone should be a feminist. I don’t know why some people treat it like such a joke.

I've been married over 28 years and still open the door for my wife and for my daughters. I taught my sons to do the same. It's a method of communicating respect and not a "you're such a wuss that I need to open your door for you." How many times have you seen a president or prime minister open their own door? Chivalry isn't dead but it IS on life support.

Also David, I agree. We should educate everyone about what is acceptable and unacceptable. I have seen creepy women along with creepy men. Hell, I have had a man block my exit from a room after stating I was leaving, but I've also seen a women stalk someone she had never personally talked to except for maybe twice. Regardless of sex or gender this behavior shouldn't be allowed. Also, I liked to read that you still open the door for your daughters and wife. Personally I just like doing so to be kind, and I am a woman so it couldn't exactly be chivalry, but it is nice to see that there are respectful people that will still do so for others.

@ David - So does my father! It is basic good manners and has no bad intention behind it, despite what a lot of "feminists" may say.

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@ Raccoon - there are "feminists" and there are feminists. True feminists want equality and work on helping all whilst helping females at the same time whilst people who call themselves feminists and just purely focus on females whilst slagging off men and anyone who ever so slightly disagree with their ideas are not real feminists. Unfortunately, most "feminists" are the latter these days and this it pretty much why people see them as such a joke. When I put "feminists", I meant the latter. I personally am an egalitarian but I still see the benefits of true feminism as long as men are not left with less rights than women.

@ Blizt - thank you! The point that you put forward was all that I wanted to express. I guess I get a little too passionate and start slashing instead of explaining. It also annoyed me that Racoon accused me of actually being a man because of my opinions. It did also amuse me though, because if Raccoon saw me in real life, he/ she would get a shock! I look like a tiny off- duty Disney princess (but with human proportions).

Yes. I had this conversation recently with someone who said if you go on a date and guy doesn't open your door, he's an asshole. So, we teach our daughters about equality and misogyny, then expect men to go back to Victorian era manners. I'm not saying that you can't open a door for someone, that's just kind, and everyone should do it for each other. But until we make men understand that we are equals, this kind of thing will go on.

Only a woman who has internalized misogyny would speak about feminism that way. But I don’t believe you are a woman from the way you talk about them. That’s total bullshit about women being sexist towards other women. What universe did you grow up in? I have never in my life been told “women aren’t funny” by a woman. When pokimane was called ugly after taking off her makeup, it wasn’t by women. Because of this it’s very obvious to me that you’re a man, or you have deep internalized misogyny. But I’m guessing it’s the former, right? It’s clear you aren’t willing to learn and grow. I’m tired of debating rude men on the internet who think they understand sexism better than women do. This is like when someone says “white people suck” and white people go “ooh but if I said that in reverse you would be angry, what’s the difference?” The difference is that white people aren’t being murdered and kept down by capitalism, and men aren’t being raped and belittled.

Eeerrr.... I know men who have been raped by women. I know men who have been belittled by women. I am not a woman, you are correct. I am a teenage girl. When I said that I have experienced being the butt of jokes from women, I meant it. These jokes weren't about the things you mentioned but about being a female Gypsy, a female who covers and so on. I am not misogynistic but I have experience misogynism from both females and males. And, by the way, you assuming that just because I think a certain way I am a man is sexist. And let me get this straight - if you are a victim of something you can be a racist, sexist, transphobic etc as you like? I am glad I don't think that way. EDIT: women can be sexist towards other women, I have seen and heard of many examples in the short period of time that I have been aware of that type of thing. I think you need to seriously take off those bias- tinted glasses and look around you. I am not the one unwilling to learn and grow - it is you. And you know what? I am tired of debating rude men and women on the internet, too.

If you are a kind individual and have a platform but don’t raise awareness for the injustice or wrong you see, what’s the point? We see tutorials of how to braid hair, what’s wrong with a “you see something, do something, and here’s an example of what you can do” video?

He filmed only himself, if it had escalated he is already recording and only has to turn his phone.

@Sleazy Weaver: I have a bad habit of not conveying my tone properly, and not being more specific if my comments are about the incident highlighted in an article or speaking about things in general. Even with comments about general occurrences/experiences, I can’t account for an individual’s unique/outlying experience.***Recording someone who is being victimized or harassed can be seen as exploiting them, in addition to making them feel uncomfortable. I have been taught to document things in the lab, out in the field, and in my everyday life (cops/ fights/etc...). I don’t know this young man, I just know that I’m quite lacking in social awareness and appreciate learning about what to look out for. **tangent: if you have any insights about human trafficking, I’d love to learn.

But he was only videoing himself. That means there would be no evidence or leads to figure out who did it. But even if he filmed the encounter for the reason you said, why post it to social media?

K., if it was going to be used as video evidence it wouldn't have mattered because the footage only should've been shown to police. That's why that excuse is invalid — if he was actually videoing for safety reasons, her privacy wouldn't have been an issue because the video would not be public. It just proves he had 0 intention of using the video as evidence of any kind.

Recording her can make her feel uncomfortable.

Thank you for pointing out the difference between a guy making an attempt to connect and a creep who will try to force his way on you. There are both types out there. Trust our gut to tell you which one applies. If it doesn't feel right, then act accordingly. A guy's hurt feelings will recover faster than your physical and emotional injuries. Protect YOU first.

I've been a guy for over 50 years and I can tell you, the clear majority of us know what a creep is. We have an idea of what creepy behavior is and, yes, some of us are dense and don't pick up on the hints. Bluntly say "that's creepy" or "you're acting creepy. The good guys will likely back off. The creeps will ignore you and continue their activity.

Creepy is a feeling, a bad feeling you get about someones attention toyou whether its looking talking even touching in a inappropriate manner Men are kind of designed to sort of constantly scan the females around them even if the man is in a very loving relationship. My 90s feminist self cringes but i appreciate science and its true that men evolved to "prowl" and succeed with spreading his seed so to speak and give him a better chance of passing his genes on. Women dont normally have that instinct as strongly with men. Im generalizing greatly of course but if you are a man, doing ur thing and encounter a girl and flirt and the like you are not a creep. Thats normal we see it a lot and can handle it. Respond positively if you are looking for a mate or politely state or show you decline to pursue this further. (For ex wedding ring) The creep is the guy who is told "No" by us and comes on even stronger, the creep in a group of guys can usually be spotted right away :-)