Friend Takes Forever To Pay Back $6,000, Is Shocked Woman Won’t Lend Her Any More Money
Our friendships are supposed to be sources of joy, but when money gets involved, things can become complicated.
A woman who goes online by the nickname Goldilock1234 shared her experience with this dilemma on the family and lifestyle forum Mumsnet, under the Am I Being Unreasonable category.
The single mom recently received additional funds and gave her friend a substantial sum to cover an urgent mortgage payment. But as time passed, the friend didn’t seem to be interested in returning the loan.
This woman was contacted by her friend, asking to borrow money for a mortgage payment
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However, when the friend got back on her feet, she chose to go on expensive trips and buy a new car instead of repaying what she owed
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As this experience illustrates, money is a known destroyer of friendships
Earlier this year, Bread Financial, a financial services company providing payment, lending, and saving solutions, conducted a study and discovered that lending money to friends can, indeed, come at a high cost.
More than half (57%) of respondents reported borrowing money from friends at some point, with bills being the most common reason at 63%.
However, nearly a third (30%) of these borrowers also admitted they have never repaid their friends. This often leads to friction in friendships, with 33% of respondents indicating that repeated borrowing without repayment was a top driver of relationship tension.
Among the most interesting findings, 21% of the 1,670 people surveyed have lost a friendship over money, and 26% feel they are financially incompatible with their friends.
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Lending money to friends and family can unite people in times of hardship, but as we just read, it can also complicate relationships, largely because “so much of our financial decisions involve emotions,” says Michelle Singletary, author of a number of books on money management, including What to Do With Your Money When Crisis Hits: A Survival Guide.
We have to be able to say no to people in these situations.
“You cannot potentially sink your own ship to bail out someone else,” Aja Evans, a board-certified therapist who specializes in financial therapy, tells CNBC Make It.
That’s not to say having that conversation is easy. Close friends or family members, Evans says, may be aware of the things you’re spending money on, like clothes or vacations, and make judgments about what they believe you can or can’t afford.
But no one knows your money better than you. “Just because you have it in your account doesn’t mean you can give it,” she adds. “Especially if you know other bills are coming.”
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You are extremely lucky that you got the 6K back the first time. Extremely. I was expecting to hear that you didn't get it back. "When someone shows you who they really are, believe them." Cut the friendship, it is not strong, it is a friendship of convenience. Her convenience. It doesn't matter that you have the money in your account, it's not spare money. You need it. And she would not be there to lend it to you at a moment's notice if you had an emergency. You are not responsible for other people's lives. Is it possibility you might get the money back again but you'd have to hound her and hound her and it's not fair to you for the extra stress. You are not a bank. Just be done with her.
I did this before when I was younger. Lent my friend hundreds of dollars because she said she needed money for rent and food. Then I saw she got her nails done, my other friend told me she bought her unemployed husband a bunch of weed. She would ask everyone for money saying she needed this or that for her son and never pay it back. My friend once bought her groceries and brought them over because she said she needed money for food and her fridge was full. Anyway I never got my money back and the last I heard from her she made a Facebook post that she was mad I didn't invite her to my wedding.
Load More Replies...We've gone over this here on BP, yes? Do NOT lend money unless you are comfortable not getting it back. Period.
Unless you’re OP and an absolute pushover incapable of saying “no” and too worried about a fiscally irresponsible friend’s opinion of you. But you’re right, don’t loan money with expectations of getting repaid. Equally important, don’t allow people who are bad with money to make it your problem.
Load More Replies...Hell no. I could see feeling guilty if the friend was spending it all on utilities and food and such, but she's just bad with money and spending it on things the OP has never been able to indulge in.
I have gone through something similar, although not to the same amount. I'm disabled, unable to work and rely on my benefits. I live in sheltered accommodation and get housing benefits. I don't have much spare money but I managed. I am no longer friends with someone who has done the same thing to me. She borrowed money (±£2000) from my partner (and told him not to tell me), and she got away with not paying it back because he died. During the same time period she owed me pretty much the same amount but because I was so distressed after my partner died I decided to write off the debt. I had met her a few years previously, just before lockdown and she asked me for money within three weeks of meeting me. I was warned about her from somebody who'd known her for 30 years that she used people but I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt. So after I wrote off her debt, I received back pay from an assessment. It did not take her long for her to ask for money from me again; I was the fool for wanting to help her pay for vet treatment for her cat. Now I am £480 out of pocket and she's not speaking to me because I had the audacity to ask her when she's going to start paying me back. She had slowly been ghosting herself out of my life because she had a new friend. She seemed to have enough money to buy herself a garden shed to get her nails done and her eyebrows done and all these luxuries while still owning me money. Now I don't know if I'll ever get it back but I certainly hope karma pays her a visit and kicks her a*s.
I came into a lot of money. Had lunch with a lady that did the music for the church I went to when I lived in that city. She bombarded me with sad story so I gave her what she needed to fix her car and cover some rent. She blasted on fb how she'd treated on her and 5 yo granddaughter to spa treatment. Okay, I try to practice if you give $ you can't spend it too. Thing is she needed me for more, and more, and gets nasty about my not giving her more. I was glad to help you help yourself once. Once.
"I'm so sorry, but after the last time stressed me out so much, I realized that I'm not good at lending money." A mooch will move on to easier targets, a friend will apologize and drop the request(s)... Solved.
I went to a little bit of money some years ago, and a friend asked me for some cash, not a small amount, I told him I invested it and cannot withraw it in the next year without a very large penalty fee, so that was it, no more asking. Btw, my lifestyle didn't change, just kept spending like always but a little bit more sometimes.
I had an almost identical experience; I never got the money back, and I know now I never will, given that’s she’s convinced herself that I somehow “owed” it to her…haven’t spoken in 4 or 5 years. Expensive lesson.
I'm shocked you received the original loan back! But I find that worse somehow, simply because she had it but kept making excuses! She's not a true friend and I think she has some nerve asking again! I'd be saying absolutely no to that and a friendship too!
Oh, I’ve made this mistake - yesterday again, in fact. Friend of mine tends to come round and start crying about financial woe. I leant her €500 three years ago for medical bills - at some point I managed to bring it up and we awkwardly came to an agreement that she’d pay it back €35 a month. Except I had to remind her repeatedly every single month, and she’d say she forgot, really sorry, etc. Then she needed more. Lent her €700 more over the years, and she still kept ‘forgetting’ the monthly repayment. At some point I lost it (I’m really not well-off, that’s a lot of money to me) and told her if she didn’t just set up an automatic monthly transfer I’d never loan her any more. To her slight credit, she did do that. Except it lapses ‘somehow’ every six months, and the games begin again. I wouldn’t mind so much if she didn’t show off pricey new clothes almost every time I see her, and her insistence that her son should have exclusively designer clothing. I just don’t get the mindset.
I don't understand why you persist in loaning money to this person.
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All thanks to Susan James for helping me get this loan. I will forever be grateful to you madam, I will forever give testimony about your good company. I will advise any one in need of a loan to contact Miss Susan James loan company for help. This is her direct email: susanjamesloanfirml07@gmail.com
I was on the other side of this scenario. As in the person borrowing money. I'd borrowed money from a friend because I was in hospital with Covid and Spinal Bruising plus had a court case still to deal with. That court case kinda got sorted but the legal issues still went on for over a year after regarding my ex. The new benefits (UK) I got for my new disability etc were not enough to cover everything, including new clothes and the legal bills and all the other bills that rack up when you've been in hospital for a long time. It took me ages to get it all sorted out with the DWP. Then after a year? Things started to settle, I could actually afford to pay him back the £800 I owed him but in weekly amounts. I worked it out and sent him an itemised weekly estimated cost list for myself for food, bills etc and including how much I could spare to pay him back. Let's sort it out and get on with the repayments. I'm so very grateful to you btw!... I got such a horrible reply.
"No more handouts. Put THAT in your little plan!!"... Okay, fair enough to an extent. I understand why.... But then he started watching everything on my FB and other social media accounts. Who I was talking to. Got weirdly jealous of one guy who was a friend. I WAS paying him back during all this time, by then it was around £200. Then he started trying to gaslight me, other friends saw it and were shocked at him. It got really weird. I took out a bank loan just to get him off my back, paid him off, blocked him and no longer want anything to do with him after all he did and threatened, including repeatedly threatening to call the police to have me sectioned and that he'd take control of my bank account because I'm "obviously mentally ill and incapable of looking after (myself)"... I told my doctors and specialists about it all, showed them the messages etc. Just to get it all on record....... Dayum... My life over the past few years has been a non stop drama... So this Panda post?
Load More Replies...i went thru this. i come from an upper class family and wen i was 10 my parents started giving me a $200 weekly allowance. i never told any of my friends about this. fast forward to high school my friends were at my house and my mom comes in and says how she forgot to give me my allowance. my friends found out that day. a few weeks later a friend asked to borrow $100 so she could take a drivers ed course. she said she pay me back once she saved up $100 with her allowance. she never paid me back. during a track meet i brought it up and she said she didnt have it yet. unfortunately i had no idea her parents were behind me wen i asked and they flipped. apparently she told her parents she saved with her allowance to take the drivers ed course. her parents ended up paying me back right then and there and told her to apologize. her parents had no idea i lent her the money. she even admitted to the fact she wasnt gonna pay me back bc she thought i didnt need it. the thing is i didnt need it and if she had asked without saying shed pay me back i still wouldve given it to her. the part that stressed me out is that she not only lied to me but her parents as well. only reason i brought it up was bc she said she would. another thing i should mention is i never acted like i was upper class nor was i materialistic. wen i went shopping with my friends id bring $50 max. id do my own christmas shopping and i would pay for stuff my dog needed. everything else i saved. i had basically been saving most of it since i was 10. my parents would already buy me things i wanted so i didnt see the point in buying things i didnt need. i also never asked for much. anything expensive id wait until my bday or christmas. once college came around i put all the saved up allowance in a bank account i had at least $15k in the bank. having my own money in college was a very good feeling. i never did lend money to anyone after that unless it was someone i could trust or family. my allowance stopped once i reached college. i think my dad who is a banker mustve been testing me in a way and i guess i passed cuz he was always proud of my money saving skills.
/meh... just say, i have the money but not the budget for this... sorry, or... lend you? but... you're blacklisted for any financial matters.. lol
Don't loan her anything. She repeatedly prioritises overspending over her mortgage, that's a her problem, and a big one. She prioritised overspending over repaying you last time, making it a you problem too. Loaning money again isn't going to fix her problem, it's just going to create problems for you as well. If you truly wish to help her, do a bit of research and find if there are any shopping addiction/financial counselling/debt advisory support services she can access, and strongly encourage her to use them. You need to either cut her out of your life or have financial boundries. It's clear that she needs help, but it's also clear that handing her money - whether as a loan or a gift - is enabling her, not actually helping her.
And this is why we don't discuss money with people outside of our partner or financial advisor. This friend shouldn't even know that she has that money. She needs to learn this phrase. "I have no money available to loan you." I don't care if she has millions in the bank. It's not available to anyone asking for it.
I think OP's issue is that she is not accustomed to having an emergency fund. Money sitting in an account is not necessarily available for spending or gifting (also, never lend money). She may benefit from opening a savings account at a separate bank for her emergency fund. So it's not sitting there in (or next to) her checking account. And if she has more than 3-6 months of expenses, fund (or start) a Roth IRA. If that's funded for the year and she still has money, open a brokerage account. Fidelity would be a good place to start for either an IRA or brokerage account because they have no-fee, no-minimum index funds. Anyone interested to learn more should read the Little Book of Common Sense Investing.
"Lend money to a friend, and you will soon lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
If it was a bank they wouldn’t lend to her again without demanding a co-signer or a higher interest rate. She’s a risk borrower so I’d take a risk and not lend!
Just say you can't that you don't have extra money. Not her business what u need to have it for or if u can spare it. Just say no sorry I just don't have any extra money.
I hope to god she said no and stuck to it. She needs to become NC with that 'friend'. NTA.
Any reasoning that goes ‘I know…. but I honestly thought…’ is usually not correct.
My bestie still owes me over 6 grand. My husband and I have written it off, but we also have turned her down for subsequent loans. Don't lend what you cannot afford to lose.
You are extremely lucky that you got the 6K back the first time. Extremely. I was expecting to hear that you didn't get it back. "When someone shows you who they really are, believe them." Cut the friendship, it is not strong, it is a friendship of convenience. Her convenience. It doesn't matter that you have the money in your account, it's not spare money. You need it. And she would not be there to lend it to you at a moment's notice if you had an emergency. You are not responsible for other people's lives. Is it possibility you might get the money back again but you'd have to hound her and hound her and it's not fair to you for the extra stress. You are not a bank. Just be done with her.
I did this before when I was younger. Lent my friend hundreds of dollars because she said she needed money for rent and food. Then I saw she got her nails done, my other friend told me she bought her unemployed husband a bunch of weed. She would ask everyone for money saying she needed this or that for her son and never pay it back. My friend once bought her groceries and brought them over because she said she needed money for food and her fridge was full. Anyway I never got my money back and the last I heard from her she made a Facebook post that she was mad I didn't invite her to my wedding.
Load More Replies...We've gone over this here on BP, yes? Do NOT lend money unless you are comfortable not getting it back. Period.
Unless you’re OP and an absolute pushover incapable of saying “no” and too worried about a fiscally irresponsible friend’s opinion of you. But you’re right, don’t loan money with expectations of getting repaid. Equally important, don’t allow people who are bad with money to make it your problem.
Load More Replies...Hell no. I could see feeling guilty if the friend was spending it all on utilities and food and such, but she's just bad with money and spending it on things the OP has never been able to indulge in.
I have gone through something similar, although not to the same amount. I'm disabled, unable to work and rely on my benefits. I live in sheltered accommodation and get housing benefits. I don't have much spare money but I managed. I am no longer friends with someone who has done the same thing to me. She borrowed money (±£2000) from my partner (and told him not to tell me), and she got away with not paying it back because he died. During the same time period she owed me pretty much the same amount but because I was so distressed after my partner died I decided to write off the debt. I had met her a few years previously, just before lockdown and she asked me for money within three weeks of meeting me. I was warned about her from somebody who'd known her for 30 years that she used people but I decided to give her the benefit of the doubt. So after I wrote off her debt, I received back pay from an assessment. It did not take her long for her to ask for money from me again; I was the fool for wanting to help her pay for vet treatment for her cat. Now I am £480 out of pocket and she's not speaking to me because I had the audacity to ask her when she's going to start paying me back. She had slowly been ghosting herself out of my life because she had a new friend. She seemed to have enough money to buy herself a garden shed to get her nails done and her eyebrows done and all these luxuries while still owning me money. Now I don't know if I'll ever get it back but I certainly hope karma pays her a visit and kicks her a*s.
I came into a lot of money. Had lunch with a lady that did the music for the church I went to when I lived in that city. She bombarded me with sad story so I gave her what she needed to fix her car and cover some rent. She blasted on fb how she'd treated on her and 5 yo granddaughter to spa treatment. Okay, I try to practice if you give $ you can't spend it too. Thing is she needed me for more, and more, and gets nasty about my not giving her more. I was glad to help you help yourself once. Once.
"I'm so sorry, but after the last time stressed me out so much, I realized that I'm not good at lending money." A mooch will move on to easier targets, a friend will apologize and drop the request(s)... Solved.
I went to a little bit of money some years ago, and a friend asked me for some cash, not a small amount, I told him I invested it and cannot withraw it in the next year without a very large penalty fee, so that was it, no more asking. Btw, my lifestyle didn't change, just kept spending like always but a little bit more sometimes.
I had an almost identical experience; I never got the money back, and I know now I never will, given that’s she’s convinced herself that I somehow “owed” it to her…haven’t spoken in 4 or 5 years. Expensive lesson.
I'm shocked you received the original loan back! But I find that worse somehow, simply because she had it but kept making excuses! She's not a true friend and I think she has some nerve asking again! I'd be saying absolutely no to that and a friendship too!
Oh, I’ve made this mistake - yesterday again, in fact. Friend of mine tends to come round and start crying about financial woe. I leant her €500 three years ago for medical bills - at some point I managed to bring it up and we awkwardly came to an agreement that she’d pay it back €35 a month. Except I had to remind her repeatedly every single month, and she’d say she forgot, really sorry, etc. Then she needed more. Lent her €700 more over the years, and she still kept ‘forgetting’ the monthly repayment. At some point I lost it (I’m really not well-off, that’s a lot of money to me) and told her if she didn’t just set up an automatic monthly transfer I’d never loan her any more. To her slight credit, she did do that. Except it lapses ‘somehow’ every six months, and the games begin again. I wouldn’t mind so much if she didn’t show off pricey new clothes almost every time I see her, and her insistence that her son should have exclusively designer clothing. I just don’t get the mindset.
I don't understand why you persist in loaning money to this person.
Load More Replies...All thanks to Susan James for helping me get this loan. I will forever be grateful to you madam, I will forever give testimony about your good company. I will advise any one in need of a loan to contact Miss Susan James loan company for help. This is her direct Website: https://susanjamesloanfirm5.wixsite.com/my-site-2 or Mail:susanjamesloanfirml08@outlook.com or her direct WhatsApp:+1(480)762-8979
All thanks to Susan James for helping me get this loan. I will forever be grateful to you madam, I will forever give testimony about your good company. I will advise any one in need of a loan to contact Miss Susan James loan company for help. This is her direct email: susanjamesloanfirml07@gmail.com
I was on the other side of this scenario. As in the person borrowing money. I'd borrowed money from a friend because I was in hospital with Covid and Spinal Bruising plus had a court case still to deal with. That court case kinda got sorted but the legal issues still went on for over a year after regarding my ex. The new benefits (UK) I got for my new disability etc were not enough to cover everything, including new clothes and the legal bills and all the other bills that rack up when you've been in hospital for a long time. It took me ages to get it all sorted out with the DWP. Then after a year? Things started to settle, I could actually afford to pay him back the £800 I owed him but in weekly amounts. I worked it out and sent him an itemised weekly estimated cost list for myself for food, bills etc and including how much I could spare to pay him back. Let's sort it out and get on with the repayments. I'm so very grateful to you btw!... I got such a horrible reply.
"No more handouts. Put THAT in your little plan!!"... Okay, fair enough to an extent. I understand why.... But then he started watching everything on my FB and other social media accounts. Who I was talking to. Got weirdly jealous of one guy who was a friend. I WAS paying him back during all this time, by then it was around £200. Then he started trying to gaslight me, other friends saw it and were shocked at him. It got really weird. I took out a bank loan just to get him off my back, paid him off, blocked him and no longer want anything to do with him after all he did and threatened, including repeatedly threatening to call the police to have me sectioned and that he'd take control of my bank account because I'm "obviously mentally ill and incapable of looking after (myself)"... I told my doctors and specialists about it all, showed them the messages etc. Just to get it all on record....... Dayum... My life over the past few years has been a non stop drama... So this Panda post?
Load More Replies...i went thru this. i come from an upper class family and wen i was 10 my parents started giving me a $200 weekly allowance. i never told any of my friends about this. fast forward to high school my friends were at my house and my mom comes in and says how she forgot to give me my allowance. my friends found out that day. a few weeks later a friend asked to borrow $100 so she could take a drivers ed course. she said she pay me back once she saved up $100 with her allowance. she never paid me back. during a track meet i brought it up and she said she didnt have it yet. unfortunately i had no idea her parents were behind me wen i asked and they flipped. apparently she told her parents she saved with her allowance to take the drivers ed course. her parents ended up paying me back right then and there and told her to apologize. her parents had no idea i lent her the money. she even admitted to the fact she wasnt gonna pay me back bc she thought i didnt need it. the thing is i didnt need it and if she had asked without saying shed pay me back i still wouldve given it to her. the part that stressed me out is that she not only lied to me but her parents as well. only reason i brought it up was bc she said she would. another thing i should mention is i never acted like i was upper class nor was i materialistic. wen i went shopping with my friends id bring $50 max. id do my own christmas shopping and i would pay for stuff my dog needed. everything else i saved. i had basically been saving most of it since i was 10. my parents would already buy me things i wanted so i didnt see the point in buying things i didnt need. i also never asked for much. anything expensive id wait until my bday or christmas. once college came around i put all the saved up allowance in a bank account i had at least $15k in the bank. having my own money in college was a very good feeling. i never did lend money to anyone after that unless it was someone i could trust or family. my allowance stopped once i reached college. i think my dad who is a banker mustve been testing me in a way and i guess i passed cuz he was always proud of my money saving skills.
/meh... just say, i have the money but not the budget for this... sorry, or... lend you? but... you're blacklisted for any financial matters.. lol
Don't loan her anything. She repeatedly prioritises overspending over her mortgage, that's a her problem, and a big one. She prioritised overspending over repaying you last time, making it a you problem too. Loaning money again isn't going to fix her problem, it's just going to create problems for you as well. If you truly wish to help her, do a bit of research and find if there are any shopping addiction/financial counselling/debt advisory support services she can access, and strongly encourage her to use them. You need to either cut her out of your life or have financial boundries. It's clear that she needs help, but it's also clear that handing her money - whether as a loan or a gift - is enabling her, not actually helping her.
And this is why we don't discuss money with people outside of our partner or financial advisor. This friend shouldn't even know that she has that money. She needs to learn this phrase. "I have no money available to loan you." I don't care if she has millions in the bank. It's not available to anyone asking for it.
I think OP's issue is that she is not accustomed to having an emergency fund. Money sitting in an account is not necessarily available for spending or gifting (also, never lend money). She may benefit from opening a savings account at a separate bank for her emergency fund. So it's not sitting there in (or next to) her checking account. And if she has more than 3-6 months of expenses, fund (or start) a Roth IRA. If that's funded for the year and she still has money, open a brokerage account. Fidelity would be a good place to start for either an IRA or brokerage account because they have no-fee, no-minimum index funds. Anyone interested to learn more should read the Little Book of Common Sense Investing.
"Lend money to a friend, and you will soon lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
If it was a bank they wouldn’t lend to her again without demanding a co-signer or a higher interest rate. She’s a risk borrower so I’d take a risk and not lend!
Just say you can't that you don't have extra money. Not her business what u need to have it for or if u can spare it. Just say no sorry I just don't have any extra money.
I hope to god she said no and stuck to it. She needs to become NC with that 'friend'. NTA.
Any reasoning that goes ‘I know…. but I honestly thought…’ is usually not correct.
My bestie still owes me over 6 grand. My husband and I have written it off, but we also have turned her down for subsequent loans. Don't lend what you cannot afford to lose.
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