“What Made You Stop?”: 35 Former Vegans And Vegetarians Share Their Stories Of Going Back To Meat
There are tons of topics that are bound to get people all fired up because they care so much about the issues. However, there are very few things as controversial as judging someone else’s eating habits. Whether you’re an omnivore, a vegetarian, or a vegan, imagine for a moment if someone came up to you and told you that you’ve got it all backward.
However, people do change their diets all the time. You often hear about people ‘quitting’ meat, but you rarely read about the reverse happening. Redditor u/Seyli04 sparked a very interesting discussion after asking former vegans and vegetarians about what finally made them stop and embrace meat again. They spilled the beans in the comments. Scroll down for their stories.
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I was a vegetarian for 1,5 years. I came home to care for my grandfather, last stages cancer. Upon my arrival he made a lot of meat food that i used to love. (Gołąbki, he made the best i ever ate). He forgot I don't eat meat. I told him that and I watched his face became so sad... f**k it, I'm going to eat it. He was so happy to cook for me while he still could.
Polish-American here: never saw the name of a Galunkie in print before. Mind blown. What is that new letter!? LOVE those. I give every one of you Pandas full authority to laugh at my stupid pronunciation.
The ł is just called "l with slash" in English, I believe. (TIL this is called "eł") Not sure if it has a different name in Polish or any of the other languages you see it in. The ą is called a "nosinė" (?) Sorry, nerd moment, I love languages 😊
Load More Replies...If I were you, I wouldn’t have said anything at all and would have devoured it
This is a hard one. When people prepare a meal with all the best intentions, I really don't want to make them sad and disappointed :( Like there are "social smokers" you could be a "social meat eater". Problem is if you do, you'll feel bad about yourself and people will no longer respect your choice. In the above situation, yes I fully understand the choice. Make grandpa happy.
judging by the image, Gołąbki looks very similar to Sarmale, now I want Sarmale. ;-;
We call them holubchi in Canadian Ukrainian with no Russian overlords(Galicia 1897,1910 Canada entries)
I was a vegetarian because I thought I hated meat. Turns out my mom couldn't cook, she never used seasoning. So once I got out on my own, and started cooking for myself, I learned I actually do like meat.
This was me! My mum beef can only be compared to old boot leather. I'm still fussy over meats but i now eat more than i ever did.
Same! My mom would ONLY eat (and cook) her steak into oblivion. She'd only eat thin-cut steaks, too. She "joked" that she only liked it if it was like beef jerky. I hated it. My dad would always get his own steak, an inch or more thick, and he'd cook it himself, preferring rare. It looked juicy and smelled amazing. When I was finally old enough to be allowed a bite of my dad's steak... I was hooked XD No more thin, burned strips of beef jerky for me. My sister prefers her steaks like my mom does, and I can't fathom it. There's nothing to ENJOY in a thin steak burned to charcoal.
Load More Replies...My dad was an autocondimentor* who liked his meats cooked well-done. To prevent him from having too much salt, mom would cook without it. Ever have roast beef cooked until there is no pink in the center, done without salt? Bleagh. (*Autocondimentor: one who puts certainly salt and probably pepper on almost any meal you set before them, according to Terry Pratchett)
There were quite a few foods I thought I didn't like when I was a kid. It turns out that my mom was actually just a terrible cook. :)
Most fish for my wife. Her dad was a commercial fisherman who brought fish home all the time. Her mom would cook it with few (no) seasonings until it was as dry as the Sahara desert. She still prefers not to have fish but usually likes it because I have a gentle hand when it comes to cooking salmon and the like.
Load More Replies...I was the same but with vegetables, I thought all vegetables were boiled because that’s how my mom did it.
Your not alone thanks to my mother who I love dearly I don't eat chicken , turkey or steak or any meat joint not because I'm a vegetarian it's because of her cooking...I never knew I like minced beef until I was in my 30's ...love you mum but your cooking was awful
I just can't believe you'd never had any seasoned meat elsewhere...what a strange story.
I used to tell people when I was a kid that I was vegetarian because I had pretty severe anxieties about food. I still do but I've learnt what it is that triggers it and I eat so much better now, the first time I tried bacon was amazing!
Had absolutely no energy. Couldn't work out, which is something I do to help with my disability, so I was essentially bed bound during my vegan year. I will never ever do that to myself again.
I love animals, but I'm not crippling myself more than I already am over them. I simply need meat to gather the energy to do the daily tasks able-bodied folks take for granted. I tried, but it actively worsened my life, so I stopped.
Sometimes, vitamin supplements just do not make up for the nutrients we get from eating meat. We're omnivores. We are NOT meant to be herbivores.
Commercial vitamin supplements are not what they seem, there is no regulation to ensure that there is quality and that they are digestible at the levels your body requires, I don't trust them as a replacement for anything but will take some magnesium, iron and vitamin c if I am run down despite eating properly. I still think the best comes from natural sources and we are omnivores, need our protein and iron.
Load More Replies...Here's what aggravates me about these comments: none of us know what OP actually ate. It takes planning and knowledge to have a balanced diet, and that is multiplied when cutting out meat. OP could have eaten french fries and oreos every day. Don't trash vegan and vegetarian diets when you don't know what OP's diet actually was.
Do we know that they didn't eat the correct foods in the correct amounts? So by your logic it goes both ways.
Load More Replies...You have to eat different when vegan, and have to make sure you substitute enough. Plenty of athletes are vegetarian without a problem
So what you are saying is if it works for some it must work for all correct? We are all just the same and they must have been doing it wrong? Sounds stupid when it's written out like that correct?
Load More Replies...I realise that different diets suit different people and everyone must do the best for them. I have been vegan for over 6 years and it has never caused me any issues. I could not eat a non vegan diet ever again though because the thought of it makes me feel ill :(
Couldn't go back either. After two weeks of being a vegetarian, in 1997, I had planned to eat some meat and then decide. I missed the two weeks by another two weeks because I didn't miss meat. I took a bit and once that typical meat taste hit my tastebuds, I almost threw up, handed my plate over to a friend who was with me, and let him enjoy it, and whenever, by accident or sneaky ässhölery, I got to bite into any meat again, it made me react the same. But it took longer to not like the smell of it anymore, that took about a year.
Load More Replies...Obviously there are plenty of very active vegans out there, so it seems the author missed the chance to actually make a blood test to figure out what's wrong. At the end french fries and cola is also vegan... Anyway, done correctly you only need to take B12, but that might be necessary even with a regular meat consumption if you become older.
Ngl op sounds like cola and French fries was all they were eating and they use their disability aa a crutch. Studies have shown plant based diets give you 5× the endurance of meat eaters.
Load More Replies...I think that depends on how committed you are on keeping that lifestyle. It's harder to properly balance a vegetarian/vegan diet than an omnivore one, but you definitely can. I've been vegetarian for over 15 years and I work out intently 2+ hours a day everyday, plus my regular job and activities and whenever I feel tired is just from a bad night of sleep and I can fix it with a quick nap or coffee. But there where times in my life when I was indeed anemic and feeling exhausted all the time, because I neglected my proper diet. So, yes. You can feel pretty bad so easily but you can also definitely keep a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle and being all good. But hear me out, if you're not prepare to properly commit to it, I applaud the fact that you reconsidered it switch to a omnivore diet , prioritizing your health.
Interesting. I’ve never had as much energy as the 18 months I spent eating low fat vegan. I ate the John McDougall very low fat version of vegan and went back to eating everything because I craved fats (and the things I craved was the lemon butter sauce on calamari and the fatty skin of a rotisserie chicken - should just have added avo and peanutbutter back lol). It worked that way for me because the vegan diet seriously reduced inflammation and fatigue caused by rheumatoid arthritis. I’ve tried to get back on the wagon numerous times but no matter how stiff my joints and how tired I am, the willpower is just not there to go without cheese and calamari again).
I am not trying to fault anybody or anything though I am sure there will be those who hate me for saying this. The notion that we can anthropomorphize animals, whether it's dressing pets in clothes or not eating meat because of the "poor" animals, is a very modern luxury. We can spend a lot of time navel gazing and contemplating all these notion because we have the food, time and lack of really important worries. There isn't a right answer for me but it does seem like if we had to worry about where our next meal was coming from we would spend less time on this kind of thing. I am glad we can have the luxury to think about these things.
Excellent point. "First world problems"
Load More Replies...I want to make one important point about nutrition. In India the religion Jainism has existed for hundreds of years. Actually it originated 2500 years ago. They are committed to non-violence which is the same motivation as going vegan: don't hurt and don't cause suffering, not in humans not in animals. Can't everybody agree suffering is wrong? Everyone who has had a pet know that animals have feelings too. In Jainism they eat no eggs but they do use milk products. This is known as lacto-vegetarism. Obviously they have existed for centuries. Their women give birth to children and to me that has to settle once and for all the discussion if humans *need* meat or not. A woman creating a new human being from scratch so to say, from a microscopic fertilized human egg to a baby in 9 months. Still I hear people claiming you can't live without meat, but yes you absolutely can. Do you see the point? - we don't need to endlessly discuss nutritional science, it's an observed fact.
So your argument is that bc one sect of people are vegetarian that it shows we all can? People are different and the fact some want to impose their views on others is sad, just let people do and be who they want.
Load More Replies...Most people you speak to are likely to have wildly different understandings of what we should eat and what we should avoid like the plague.
Speak to a bodybuilder or someone living in the countryside and they’ll probably tell you all about the benefits of meat, fish, and eggs. Meanwhile, talk to someone who has embraced veganism or vegetarianism and they’ll regale you with tales about the health benefits and moral reasons behind switching to a plant-based diet. Like most things in life, finding a balance between extremes is what’s important.
We all have different experiences with food and our bodies have varying needs. What works for some of us might not work for others. Someone might see huge benefits from switching to a fully-vegan lifestyle. Others might find such a diet completely impractical for their local area, far too expensive, and might not find the dishes as tasty as those using animal products.
Italy.
Actually, as an Italian, I have to say the vegetable recipes in our traditional cuisine are very delicious and as a vegetarian I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything!
... which is weird, because South European cuisine is famous for their traditional cuisine, heavily leaning on vegetables, and the healthy effects of it. Even the photo depicts a 100% vegetarian meal, most pizza's are too... So it would be interesting to get to know what kind of "italian" food op ate.
Wow. The birthplace of the Mediterranean diet. Where meat is consumed occasionally, not as the central component of their diet. The further we go the less this whole thing makes sense. Also is it that 'blue zone' thing. What is the Okinawa diet where they outlive nearly everyone else in the world? And consume mainly legumes, vegetables and tubers?
Same! I read this out loud and made my Italian husband giggle.
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Becoming a mother. If I don’t eat leftover chicken nuggets I don’t eat.
This is almost sad and in some points of my parenting life I can relate to this.
Can someone explain? I am a stepmom, I have many friends with kids in all ages and I was child with a normally eating mom myself, I don't get it. Edit: What is it with this page and downvoting genuine and respectful questions?
You had and have money and time for meals for everyone. I hope I explained it and didn't miss anything.
Load More Replies...I hated milk and eggs when I was a kid, but during both of my pregnancies, I craved them, couldn't go a day without them. Once I had my babies, the cravings stopped. I still don't drink whole milk, but I started liking eggs about a decade ago. I must have them all the time. I think nature directs our senses toward what we need.
Similar but sort of different too lol. When my son was born I was vegetarian. My now ex had a very narrow pallet in terms of what she was comfortable eating and it shrank her world. Once turned down a trip to Mexico because she didn't know if she'd be able to eat kind of thing. I started eating meat again because it has been my mission to make sure he is exposed to as many foods and cultures of the world.
We moved all over the world when I was young and my parents made sure we tried the local cuisines. We had a "three bites" rule. No matter what it was we had to try three bites of it. It may be why I can't be vegan. There are too many good things made from meat, cheese, etc. I am not going to limit myself or depend on some pale "alternative" substitute.
Load More Replies...I think if you have children, especially toddlers, yes. I have heard many stories of them being suddenly picky or deciding they don't want to finish their food XD They're kids, so they don't know any better, so we don't get angry at them, we just finish whatever they didn't eat, so that it doesn't go to waste. This is just a guess on my part as I do not have human children... but I do have a puppy who gets my chicken nuggets if I'm too full to finish them when I order them ;)
Load More Replies...I'm a vegan mum with a demanding disabled child. I'm not malnourished and there are no chicken nuggets in the house.
Chicken nuggets have almost zero to non nutritions. It's also a deep fried food, everyone should know why that's bad for you and children. Less time on social media more time for cooking.
I was à vegetarian for 23 years. I was 39 and pregnant. I wanted to make sure my baby had everything she needed. It was already a high risk pregnancy. When I craved meat for the first time in 23 years I started eating it.
To the nay-sayers out there, if your body starts randomly craving something after going without it just fine, it probably means your body is lacking in some kind of nutrient or vitamin, and you need to fix that. (Not counting craving sugar, since that’s absolutely an addiction— I can say this from experience, too.) We need to listen to our bodies.
I had similar experience. I was a vegetarian for ten years, then I got pregnant. My first blood work showed I was anemic. The doctor told me to take iron supplements (which made me horribly constipated). He rechecked my blood 6 weeks later and I was more anemic. He explained that this wouldn't likely cause problems for the baby but it would wreak havoc with my health and I would probably need a transfusion after delivery. I started eating meat.
Vegan dishes can be delicious, we know that for a fact. But it would be naive to think that everyone would enjoy them. Or that everyone has the time and resources to cook delicious vegan meals from scratch. Especially if your other family members are fans of dinosaur-shaped chicken nuggets and spaghetti bolognese and think that potatoes are the equivalent of green and leafy veggies. Eating healthy is absolutely essential! Sometimes, however, you have to make compromises.
However, if you want to live a long and happy life, one of the main things you can do is change your eating habits. You can copy what the Japanese and Sardinians do!
I was vegetarian for over a decade but was constantly having to take iron supplements. To make matters worse my body was not absorbing the vegetarian sources of iron including loads of leafy greens or even vegetarian iron supplements at all (no change after 6months) and I had to use the ones from animal sources anyway. I felt i gave it a good hot go! Once I started exercising i was always tired and hungry too. I don't eat all meats, I eat kangaroo (it's over populated here and culled) and fish but I'm actually making progress in fitness and no longer exhausted.
I'm stuck at kangaroo. Hippitty-hoppitty, choppitty-choppity, in to the frying pan
A lot of people don't know that it is essential to combine fat in form of olive-, sunflower-, linseed- or other oil with their vegetables. It is necessary to "loosen" iron and others and the reason why salads are usually served with a fat-based dressing. If you cut out on the fat because of the calories, you do more harm than good. Having said that, it is also totally okay to sprinkle roasted beacon over your green leaf salad.
I can't go vegan/vegetarian because I hate taking iron supplements. I would rather eat meat then take a pill every day.
To be honest you don't need to if you have a proper diet. Ive been vegetarian over 20 years and never had a problen with it at all. People should eat whatever they want but it shouldn't depend on the idea you are missing outcon anything in a vegetarian diet because you are not if you have a normal diet.
Load More Replies...What does kangaroo taste like? My chances of finding out for myself are slim
Tastes pretty much like beef. Have to be careful cooking roo steaks because of the much lower fat content (roo goes tough really easily). Perfect minced or as sausages, and lovely in slow-cook dishes.
Load More Replies...It's quite possible this person has undiagnosed Celiac disease. I went through the same thing before being diagnosed. I have permanent damage now and don't absorb iron much at all. I have to get iron infusions when my levels drop.
I got pregnant and all I could think about was eating meet. I had no issues being vegan, had energy and everything but during my pregnancy I felt like if I really crave it that much there must be a reason, so included it in my diet again. After that I still have plenty of plant based meals but I also eat meat and eggs when I feel like..
Before I even knew I was pregnant I had a very sudden, persistent need to eat red meat. I remember offering to take my husband out to Outback (steakhouse) and proceeded to decline drinks and ordered a bigass steak rare as rare could be. On a side note, my dad grew up on a farm and had let me know the bunnies would need to be given some raw bacon after giving birth. I get it now- sometimes mama rodents n critters desire meat- blood-iron-whatever and if they don’t get it will resort to eating their babies. I witnessed this with my “2 female” mice: she went absolutely La Lorona on her offspring and may have eaten a head or two. Long story short: mammals be cray cray.
Same for my pregnancies, craving red raw meat. It still hit me right before my period a couple of time every year. And for the bunnies, I had neigboors who raised bunnies for their meat and they also told me every time the birth happen during the night and they are not here to check, some of thé babies would be half eaten.
Load More Replies...Yes! She needs a Joey friend to balance her meat eating out.
Load More Replies...I craved red meat during pregnancy... which baffled a few of us as my metabolic levels were steady throughout. But I needed red meat. Now my son is 3 and won't even touch a steak ....
I don’t eat meat very often because I don’t like to cook (nor am I good at it), and I just don’t think it’s necessary for me every day. But yeah, if I randomly find myself craving a burger, there’s obviously a reason and my body is trying to tell me I’m lacking something. So I go out and get a burger or something easy to fix.
I craved meat when I was pregnant. After spending 4 years vegetarian. Had my portobello in front of me, reached over and ate my partner's med-rare 14 oz ribeye. I was SO sick after, but couldn't go back to vegetarian.
I read about a study where herbivores were offered meat and they would eat it! they just aren't evolved to hunt so they stick to plants. only specialized animals can eat carrion, so they can't eat that, either. so it turns out biology doesn't care where you get your nutrition from.
My ex forced me to be a vegan, and when she cheated on me the first thing i did was ordering 3 triple cheese burgers at mccdonalds, damn did that meat taste good.
For me, it’s the opposite. I’ve been vego for years, but I’m constantly criticised for my diet choices, called stupid, etc. I’m vegetarian half out of spite. I don’t need to justify what I eat but others think I do.
For me it was the other way around. I was about 16 when I started to eat meat and nobody could believe their eyes
Load More Replies...I don't know why this has been diwnvoted, vegetarian or not, it's a valid question. If you were eating vegan then suddenly ate a meal full of meat but also plenty of fat, you would likely feel a bit ill at first.
Load More Replies...Idgaf if you're vegan, but when you force that choice on the people around you, it makes me want to choke you to death on a sausage. It really, really does. So the best thing for you to do is stfu and let people live their life eating whatever they want.
She probably cheated at being vegan and ate meat when you weren't around
Don't know why you got downvoted so have one back
Load More Replies...Reminds me of the late Ralphie May, he said, he used to have to wrestle cows I believe when he grew up on the farm. He said none taster better than a cheeseburger after wrestling a cow.
My friend's future MIL forced her to eat meat, and she became rather ill. I know, you shouldn't let anyone force you to do anything, but you haven't met that woman. She was frightening.
The authors of ‘Ikigai: The Japanese Secret to a Long and Happy Life’ took a look at the diets of some of the most long-lived people around the globe. They found that centenarians in Japan usually eat rice, miso soup, pickles, boiled or seasoned vegetables, fish, and soybean-based foods (e.g. tofu or natto).
The food that they eat is grown locally. Moreover, they avoid junk food and processed food, as well as sugary snacks and drinks. Their portions are also smaller.
Meanwhile, Sardinia, in Italy, is also full of very long-lived people. Their diets are mostly low-fat and plant-based. They eat wholemeal bread, beans, garden vegetables, fruit, cheese, but they also eat meat sparingly.
I was training for an Ironman triathlon. I know there are loads of vegan distance athletes out there killin it, but on my budget/lack of creativity I found myself eating spoonfuls of coconut oil to get calories. Then I read coconut oil production is also super destructive and just got so frustrated and angry. Shortly after I got dizzy and fell off my bike, nearly skidding down a steep hill into the Yarra river, and that night I ate a whole rotisserie chicken.
I never understood the hype about coconut oil. It's objectively worse than olive oil and meat both health-wise and environmentally
Honestly I didn't get the hype either. Here in India we use coconut oil for the hair and it does great. I have thyroid issues and my readings were off the chart. My nutritionist asked me to have a tablespoon of raw pressed coconut oil everyday and I'm doing so much better with that.
Load More Replies...And the farmland that it takes to make protein substitues is ridiculous. Stripping forests to make farmland to keep up with demands. Intense irrigation diverting water to arid regions. Argh.
That's a ridiculous argument. We use *way* more farmland to feed livestock.
Load More Replies...I know it's always difficult to break habits, but instead of just taking a bit of time to figure out cheap and nice recipes (with lentils, beans or whatever for the protein) the author came to the point of eating pure coconut oil?! What the hell... 😆
My wife hates lentils and beans. Not making them because she would be very unhappy. Those things have to be appealing to people for them to want to eat them.
Load More Replies...I'm from the Indian state of Kerala, where coconut is a part of the culture. We use all aspects of the coconut, including the oil for cooking, the shell for little brushes, and the meat for eating or putting in curry. Coconut oil is destructive sometimes, but the way it is used in Kerala is very productive. Coconuts ftw!
Why... would u straight-up eat coconut oil of all things, I mean a banana or a carrot would rlly be fine...
I was vegetarian for over 20 years. While having chemotherapy I was craving protein so went back to meat.
Later lived off grid and ate our own chickens, pigs and goats.
My cousin lives in Wyoming and raises various animals on her farm. She loves it. She's mostly off the grid. Sometimes she slaughters one of her animals (that she was purposefully raising for meat) and sends us some. Best pork I've had in my life.
Load More Replies...I started eating pot roast again while on chemo. Figured I needed the protein and couldn't tolerate most foods. Turns out I could eat pot roast and mashed potatoes. Toast, not much else. After chemo, I figured it didn't matter anymore.
I'm going through it now and my policy is to eat anything and everything that sounds remotely appetizing, which as you know isn't much. It's so hard to keep the weight up!
Load More Replies...Any animal I have is family, I get what you're saying but I'd rather die than hurt or kill one of my pets
Pets and livestock are in 2 different categories. Livestock are raised for their resources and for the owners income. Pets generally don't provide that, but they do provide companionship.
Load More Replies..."What's for dinner?" "Todd" "Uncle Todd?" "NOOO The cow, wait the cow right?"
Load More Replies...I was the same way. I'd been a vegetarian for 6-7 years and had cancer had 25. After a few weeks of chemo, I knew I really needed the iron and the protein, as I was getting fatigued even more than normal by the chemo. Started up meat again (chicken, but NO red meat--my oncologist explicitly told me to stay away from red, as the same cells that break down cancer cells, break down red meat). I felt better than I had in a long time, even given the chemo. Did vegetarian again a few years after the fact and felt alright, but I was very much a "junkfood" veggie, so I stopped.
Realized I was using being vegan as an excuse to enable my eating disorder. Less options for me to eat, almost never had to eat out with friends/family or on the holidays. I do love animals/Earth and told myself that’s why I was vegan but….. I don’t fully know. I couldn’t fully recover until I had a less restrictive diet.
This needs to be higher, so more parents are aware of this. My adult daughter recently said that her bulimia fueled her vegetarianism when she was a young teen - fewer options, more control.
A lot of people with eating disorders do this. It's hard to watch from the other side.
Hi Charlotte. I am so sorry you are relapsing. I am anorexic, ( 45 years). The toll it has taken on my health and body has been tremendous. If I may, the dietitian I am working with said, ‘ our bodies are meant to change.’ This resonated deeply. I know how hard of a struggle it is! I hope with all of my heart that you are getting help. Your body deserves nourishment. You deserve to feel whole. I attended a group for a few years and one of the women was like me at the time, pretty close to dying). My wake up call came when u was so tired of feeling exhausted, battling dysmorphia and realizing ‘it’s okay to stop fighting my mind. Hoping you find self acceptance, self care and peace. Also too it’s learning the triggers.
Hi Jane, thank you for taking the time to reply. I'm 33 and have struggled most of my life with restriction. After my wakeup call a few years ago and recovery I honestly thought my body wouldn't even let me restrict anymore. It's kinda disappointing? Sad. And scarily safe and familiar.
Load More Replies...I know a TON of people who "went vegan" as a way to hide the fact that they were still very much anorexic.
What a brave admission and exemplary self awareness. I think this would be hard for most to concede to even themselves, that this was a factor in their dietary classification/identification/choice
I'm currently on a medical diet, (low FODMAP if anyone is curious), and I feel like an eating disorder might come out of it. I was already having small problems with food but having such a restricted diet is scary. I've noticed I've just been eating less because the diet stresses me out so much and I don't have the motivation to check every single thing I have to eat. I've noticed how I just say I don't like food even if it's not that bad, I just don't want to eat anymore. I hope it gets better when we add the first food group back into my diet in a week, but if it doesn't I'm going to talk to my psychiatrist. I've been on the diet since Feb 1st and I've lost weight already
Living a quality life means finding balance in what you eat, having an active social life, and getting plenty of movement. Stay away from sugary and processed foods as much as possible, remember to stay hydrated, and you should be fine!
According to BBC Future, research has shown that people generally find vegans incredibly annoying. “Though it’s natural for people to disagree, the passionate rage—and even mild irritation—that veganism stirs up seems to defy rational sense,” Zaria Gorvett writes.
Many people (aka ‘veganophobes’) think that vegans are overly smug, judgmental, over-zealous, and hypocritical. Another part of the equation is that people tend to ignore unpleasant realities, incompatibilities, and paradoxes (e.g. eating fish and chips even though you keep a pet fish at home). So when someone forces us to face our cognitive dissonance, we’re likely to get all defensive and lash out.
Traveled and lived in places where there truly was not adequate nutrition available as a vegan - true malnutrition is awful. Plus, cultural expectations in those areas around entertaining guests, hospitality, celebrations, and rituals don’t always leave the option open to refuse a specific food without offending or hurting the host or community, which meant that I needed to consider balancing my preferences with the needs and practices of the communities I was living in. Today, I’m primarily plant-based in practice but don’t call myself vegetarian or vegan. I learned a lot about how I think about food, food culture, and the privilege of choice from those experiences.
This is one of my biggest disagreements with some zealous vegans, who go after people in other countries what have their own cultural practices and food and these vegans are lecturing them in the comments
In many poor regions, being a vegetarian creates a burden on the most vulnerable people. Moreover, in many places, refusing food is pretty insulting, especially if the cost of the food for the hsts is high. Only if there are allergies or food sensitivities should one politely decline food.
I almost died from malnutrition two weeks ago. I’m literally 120 pounds at my best and couldn’t think or get out of bed anymore. I realized that I cannot live a restrictive lifestyle while simultaneously dealing with a “abnormal” ED
Exactly - and clearly their vegetarianism was contributing to it. So… they found a solution to get well.
Load More Replies...I don’t think I understand. “ED” must be something besides “erectile dysfunction,” right? Can someone be bed-bound because of it, or does “ED” refer to something else? (I’m totally serious; please help me out, as I *want* to understand. Thanks!)
Eating disorder, the real reason they were malnourished, not their veganism.
Load More Replies...I believe they it is referring to an Eating Disorder.
Load More Replies...I think the veganism maybe started as a way to validate the ED. Lots of ED sufferers do it. It legitimises the restrictive eating, and means you can never fully recover. I've been there and done it.
They should rlly mention what they are eating as to why they are malnutritioned
Having a ‘restrictive lifestyle’ stems from dysmorphia. Ed are about self hatred and wanting ‘control.
Nothing to do with not eating meat but everything to do with eating disorder unfortunately
Agreed. But clearly not eating meat exasperated things. So they found a solution.
Load More Replies...A change in health circumstances led to a (doctor-recommended) restrictive diet which meant cutting out a number of fruits and vegetables. Couple that with gluten intolerance and veganism and I could barely eat anything. I had to prioritise my health.
Thats me... No fruits, no nuts, no grains, no beans, no lactose, a very very very very sorted amount of vegetables, no soy.... etc.
I feel so sorry for all you out there that can not have fruits, nuts, grains , beans or are lactose intolerant or only can have limited amount of vegetables. Must be hard to find food that you can eat.
I was a pescatarian for 20 years so I ate fish, but no meat. Developed Graves’ disease and have to avoid all iodine (in anything from the sea). I went into remission after reintroducing meat.
Ahhhh!! I have Graves!!! I still want to avoid the grave!!!
Load More Replies...One of the (many) confusing things from my Catholic childhood: "No meat on Fridays." So we ate fish.
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Way too many of the vegetarian/vegan substitutes rely on tree nuts/peanuts/soy, which I'm severely allergic to. As it is, I follow a mostly pescatarian diet, unless someone else wants to do the cooking for me!
I don't trust pescatarians. Something about them is fishy.
Load More Replies...I tried a Presbyterian diet. The vicar was chewy but went well with roast baby new potatoes
Same reason I’ve never tried a vegan/vegetarian diet even though I’ve wanted to. There isn’t a big enough market for people who have allergies and don’t want to eat meat and/or animal products. Basically if you’re allergic to tree nuts you can’t be vegan or vegetarian, that’s where most of their protein comes from. I’m also allergic to coconut and you would not believe how much coconut oil and coconut cream are in vegan/vegetarian foods.
OP should give Seitan a try. Made entirely from wheat protein. Unless they're allergic to gluten too of course.
That is me to a T! I am allergic to or have an intolerance for almost all meat substitutes like soy, every kind of nut and most legumes. In addition I cannot eat fruit of almost any kind. Meat and eggs are necessary for me to survive (as well as vegetables which luckily I enjoy and can eat.
Realized I would rather eat meat than eat like 15 different supplements and vitamins every morning
Don't understand this one. I've been veg for 30+ years and the only supplement I need to take is vitamin D due to being an old woman. Have been a blood donor for many years.
Bodies are different. Yours can do without supplements OP's couldn't.
Load More Replies...You don’t need to supplement if you eat well balanced vegetarian diet. You do need to supplement if you’re vegan.
it can be harder to get natural vitamins on a vegetarian diet, and even more so on a vegan diet
Load More Replies...I just take a vegan multi vitamin, just like so many omnivores that take a daily multivitamin.
Multivitamins generally don't do you any good. The vitamins and minerals aren't in a form your body can absorb and you end up passing them out in your urine. There are a very few that are formulated to actually work right but they are also pretty expensive.
Load More Replies...Thid makes no sense. Anyone with a normal vegetarian diet doesn't need to take supplements. If you are so lacking in vitamins it sounds more like your diet in general is very bad.
Or your genetic make up makes absorption of nutrients purely from vegetables difficult. Some people are allergic to soya which severely restricts protein options for a vegetarian diet.
Load More Replies...This just shows you did it wrong. I doubt you can really bring up your vitamin c level with eating beef.....
Found out my body just trends towards anaemia. I was vegetarian for 5 years as a teenager and just dealt with it but then I got really ill and my doctor basically told me I would need monthly iron infusions or I could eat meat again. I chose meat. Tried to go back to vegetarianism recently but felt such an enormous drop in energy levels I just couldn’t maintain it.
For those unaware, spinach is NOT a particularly good source of iron. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.compoundchem.com/2018/07/17/spinach/amp/
Load More Replies...Anemia is absolutely no fun. I have a weird diet because of that and food allergies. People think I have ED because of my size and diet. Like dudes…I’m just trying to stay alive, please stop commenting on my food.
Or a dietitian. Always talk to a registered dietician if you are going vegan
Load More Replies...Because I actually like meat, but learned about the horrors of the meat industry. It also ended up playing into my disordered eating pretty bad, which got even worse when I tried to go vegan. Now I let myself enjoy meat, and just try to be better about where it comes from, and in general try advocate for local food.
This is a good one. If you are a responsible omnivore (or flexitarian), it is the best way to protect animals and nature. Reduce your animal product consume and try to just buy from good sources. Eat mostly vegetables and else. This way you get all you need and support animal rights. Don't forget: if we don't 'use' animals, there will be no place for them because we humans want so much! So we need to give them space and value in more than one way.
Hey, a reasonable and balanced approach to this topic!
Load More Replies...That's why I'm glad that I can find locally sourced meat and use our own cattle! If you can't trace where it's from, it probably wasn't treated very well in it's life- or even in it's death.
I limit my meat intake and try to buy from only locally produced sources. As a result most of my meat sources are lamb, chicken and goat, including my own rabbits and chickens. I have also found that when I do choose to eliminate meat from my diet. I can lose a few pounds in a matter of weeks. My body needs meat. Not a lot but, it definitely works better with it.
I want to throw in. It is just as important where your veggi come from and how they were produced. Eat no meat for the environment but soja from some farm that exploits it's workers and burns down rain forest in southern america? Doesn't make sense. But I know a lot of people that live that way and truely believe it's the right thing to do.
I was mostly veg (bacon once a year!) for ethical reasons but on reassessing it after 30 years I realized that the industry never noticed and I never saved a single life. I am glad I did it because I learned how to make healthy delicious meals for about 2 dollars. When I eat meat it is an ingredient, not a 12 dollar slab. I try to keep a good "deaths per meal" ratio, but I eat what I like.
You will definitely have contributed, even if only in a tiny way, to less meat production. If more people around the world did this, even substituting half their meals for meat-free, there would be a lot less meat production and also a load less carbon produced too.
Load More Replies...My mom went through all kinds of trendy diets while I was growing up. She started pescatarian, then vegetarian, then vegan, then raw vegan. She bounced around all of those for a while until the last 5 or so years when she got into crossfit and went Paleo and now Keto. I am moderate to severely anemic and have been my whole life. I only got meat when my stepdad wanted to grill or if we went out to eat. So I was involuntarily vegetarian/vegan. I'm much happier now and not constipated from having to take cheap iron supplements all the time.
It really does. Also, it sounds like mom has an eating disorder.
Load More Replies...I'm just throwing this out there. In the United States, there is an iron supplement called "Slow FE" and though it still makes my stomach a little upset if I haven't eaten, it doesn't constipate as bad as the other supplements. I also don't belch that iron taste. I don't know if that particular brand is available in other countries, but if you need to take iron in the states, it's the best I've come across.
I was anemic as a meat eater and carboholic. I can’t stand veggies, because I’m a super taster with sensitivities to food texture. I’ve been vegan for over 10 years. I’ve found a way to get all the nutrients I need by modifying the texture of veggies (emulsion) and reducing bitter flavors in veggies with sweeter fruits and veggies combined. I’m no longer anemic.
A car crash. I was badly injured and lost a lot of blood. Afterwards I could barely eat but I kept craving a cheeseburger. My friend took me to Maccies and l got me one saying if my body needs it then it needs it. I was diagnosed with anaemia shortly after and told I can either take iron tablets, have shots once a month or just have meat occasionally. I took the fish, burger and occasional chicken breast route.
Sometimes I try new meats (I was a veggie for 10+ years) and I still can’t cook meat apart from fish. But I tend to be curious and if there’s lamb to try I will. But I still hate processed meat, I won’t touch sausages or sandwich meat etc
I had severe anemia after losing a lot of blood and, Christ, I started wolfing down meat like a Neanderthal in a Norther region. Large amounts of meat usually make constipated and sleep badly, but not then. I had the equivalent of two steaks a day. Once I got iron infusions, it died down really quick, but for a week or so I would look at any animal passing me by and think about eating it. I turned into a real savage!
Macdonalds, the slow killer. But it tastes so good. Still a slow killer.
Judging someone for where they eat is inexcusable.
Load More Replies...Anemia and vitamin deficiencies. My spouse continued with his vegetarian diet and is now vegan. Both times I have attempted to re-join him I’ve either fainted, been admitted to the ER for falling down and finding out I’m hyper anemic, or one time started having vision problems due to a severe, vitamin K deficiency… Just doesn’t work for my body.
Men need less iron than women of childbearing age, simply because they don't have periods. I had very heavy periods when I was teenage and early 20s. I needed extra iron.
Yes this. I'm borderline anemic and sometimes during my period I crave red meat so badly I'd be willing to kill it myself
Load More Replies...Not at all, K1 comes from greens, K2 from meat. Don't misinform.
Load More Replies...Vegan for almost a decade. Conveniently was also a great way to hide my eating disorder. Additionally, IBS.
Ah yes, IBS! Especially if you've got IBS D - I love eating fruit and veg, and try to eat more vegetarian meals per week, but it does involve a lot more trips to the loo! :(
Same. I love leafy greens. But If I eat in abundance I'm in the bathroom with in two hours. Ugh.
Load More Replies...Every time I read a post, I wonder how many new obscure acronyms I will learn. No idea what IBS means, apparently that's something everyone should know?
I've tried to be a vegetarian two different times in my life. Both times I had to stop after a few months because I got tired of having no energy, feeling tired all the time and having problems concentrating. And yes, I *was* taking all the recommended supplements and vitamins at the times. As soon as I switched over to a more omnivorous diet, all the bad symptoms went away in a few days. Today I do eat meat, but I try to keep my consumption down and only do it about 2 times per week. This seems to be the best balance for me.
What's the point of being vegan if you have to constantly take processed supplements?
Allergic to soy, but also very susceptible to low B12 and anemia. Not a great combo lol
Wrong, Best Behave. Animal meat is the most common bioavailable source of B12, because yes, it is produced by animals. Found in all meats and shellfish, eggs, and milk... Naturally. In really recent times, many cereals have been fortified with bioavailable B12. Make sure it is the bioavailable form though.
B12 is not produced BY animals, but bacteria. Animals get it from bacteria-laden manure and unsanitized water. Neither of those sources is recommended for humans.
Load More Replies...If you have problems with low B12 it might be necessary to take supplements anyway. Furthermore there are many soy alternatives.
There is no rule that says if you are veggo you need to eat soy. Or tofu. Or meat substitutes.
No but the difficulty in getting protein and absorbing proteins from other sources causes protein deficiency. I do not think I can eat a cup and a half of nuts to get 20 gm of absorbed protein each meal.
Load More Replies...Or maybe that just doesn’t work with their lifestyle/socioeconomic status. You don’t know if they “could still” avoid eating meat.
Load More Replies...I was a decently strict vegan. I wasnt throwing fits over it or caused any problems when i attended social functions with food, but 100% of the food I cooked or bought myself was vegan. Basicly, I started working out. And i took the whole thing kinda seriously, since I was unhappy with my body. Turns out its real f*****g hard to hit protein goals with vegan food without either going over the calorie limit or having it taste like s**t.
Yes! I would love to go vegan but I need to be on a low carb scheme and that's also nearly impossible when eating vegan. So vegetarian it is.
Really interested. How is being vegan related to hi carbs?
Load More Replies...I cant and wont do vegan. I live mostly vegetarian but I like certain meats and just eat them appropriately and from local farms.
There are plenty of vegan protein shakes with low calories out there, so I really don't see the problem.
Yeah I can't have whey since it's cows milk protein, the exact thing I react to. But I found soy protein shakes were easier to drink than whey, they were just tastier, less grainy, and not so sickeningly sweet. Added some cocoa-powder to the chocolate shake and it was really kind of nice some times. - - - Aaaaaand!! I've just given myself the answer to my recent pregnanvy related off-and-on meat revulsion. 😂😅 Whey didn't i think of that sooner, jeez. 😅
Load More Replies...I wanted to travel more, and it always sucked not being able to properly experience a kitchen of whatever country. Apart from that I just didn’t feel like it any more. No idea why, was very rigid with it for 7 years. Life is weird.
You just got fed up with it and were ready for a reason to stop. Don't worry, I am not judging you.
Where’s that nonjudgmental attitude when you argue on the post below that vegans are actually morally superior? 😅 sorry I had to say it
Load More Replies...Main place this is difficult that I’ve been to is France😂 I usually go self catering, but more and more countries are catering to people who are vegan. I was in Croatia last year and was amazed for the number of dedicated vegan restaurants, and they were absolute quality. It’s definitely getting easier
But you still miss out on a lot of local specialties. Even if they remake them with vegetables they aren't going to be authentic.
Load More Replies...I've been vegetarian for 9 years nearly 10. Recently started eating fish after a trip to Texas. Got tired of always being so limited on food options. Since eating fish again, I have much more energy and feel quite healthy. Cooking and meal planning is also significantly easier.
I went to Texas once and tried eating fresh Texas Rattlesnake. Stone Cold kicked my a*s.
I wouldn't be surprised if he stomped a mudhole in ya' and walked it dry XP
Load More Replies...my hair started falling out, I got my first cavity in years and I just over all felt like s**t. Its a lot harder to get all the nutrients your body needs when you are not eating meat, for me it was anyways.
Some people have a harder time absorbing and converting nutrients from plants, sometimes due to an enzyme deficiency. There are different causes of malabsorption. The animals body has already done the work so that vitamins are already in a bioavailable form. Some people need to eat meat for that reason.
What's missing in all this kind of statements: What did this person actually eat? Cavities caused by a vegan/vegetarian diet? Seriously? Non-meat food and meals come in an enormous bandwith, usually only the extremes are causing difficulties.
You literally have no information about their dental hygiene. And poor nutrition can absolutely contribute to tooth decay.
Load More Replies...I was both vegetarian and vegan(at different times), but each time I started to become extremely anemic, my skin was almost white, I had no energy, etc. I'm allergic to most fruits, tree nuts, etc. So I wasn't getting enough iron or protein in my diet because I couldn't eat most things needed.
I moved to a new country and didn't want to have to deal with refusing food and missing out on culture and new experiences. I just told people I liked vegetables.
I was diagnosed celiac and all my safe foods became dangerous. But I’m healthy and alive. 1 year in and thinking of going back vegetarian now that I know what having celiac means.
I was a vegetarian for 10 years and honestly I just felt like it was too much of a pain. I still limit my meat, I won't prepare it for myself and if given a vegetarian option I will choose that. But if someone prepares meat for me or there aren't other options easily available I'll eat it.
Not weird and can people please stop downvoting, just because you Don't agree with someone
Load More Replies...I am still 99% veggie but after 8 years, I realized I really enjoy meat as one of the pleasures of life, and found it hard to deny myself completely. Especially living in France where the veggie options suck sometimes. So now, I try to only eat meat on special occasions and appreciate it and enjoy it to the max. I generally try to only eat it at good restaurants so it should be perfectly cooked and normally locally sourced. No one is perfect, and a strict diet is hard (for me) to keep to 100% being a bit of a rebel at heart so this is a great compromise.
France is one country where you don't turn away the food. Except the escargot. Sorry France.
I actually tried them in the south of France. Better than I expected. I quite enjoyed it. Same for Flammkuchen. The area I was in was known for them though. Anywhere in Europe I tried to eat whatever was the local specialty. I am very adventurous with food though.
Load More Replies...This is how most of the population used to eat and still eats in poorer countries.
I don't love McDonald's. Get off your moral high horse and go eat a dīck.
Load More Replies...A family friend went veggie and then vegan years back. He had to go back to being vegetarian because he was losing too much weight and went to the doctor complaining of being tired. He eventually went back to eating meat every now and again on the same basis. He's the kind of person that embarks on a new concept and throws himself into it, absolutely 100% dedicated until it fizzles out. I recall at the time he was drinking wheatgrass and avoiding alcohol and all sorts of other things not necessary for veganism, but he had bought into a whole "lifestyle" and ran with it. It was no wonder the weight was shedding off him. For reference, I've been vegetarian for over two decades, and I know lots and lots of veggies and vegans who've maintained it for years with no issues and no need for special supplements or doctors advice. This guy just has a personality that's somewhat incompatible with a highly prescriptive diet.
There's no such thing as being vegetarian or vegan without taking any supplements. My son decided to be vegetarian when he was 8. We had every intention to support his choice and we still do (he's 11 now), but we consulted his doctor and a nutritionist. He eats a healthy, balanced legume-rich diet and gets regular checkups. But he also has to take b12 supplements regularly, as there is no plant-based source for it at all.
He is growing up, so it is good to check on this. So no milk/yoghurt or eggs, too? Most vegetarians do, this is where they get their B12 from. You know this, of course, other readers might not
Load More Replies...Life long vegetarian here, and my country has a very very large vegetarian cuisine so it's never an issue :) plus being vegetarians for generations together might have just made our bodies used to it idk
I’m not vegetarian, but very easy for me to do so as I am also from a country which was built on vegetarianism. Only fairly recently (afaik don’t take my word) we started eating meat. I’m from India, how about you?
Load More Replies...I'm vegetarian since birth, 36 years old. I have 4 children, 4 healthy pregnancies without one piece of meat.My 72 years Dad ist hardcore vegan, perfectly healthy. People who are trying to be vegetarian or vegan, please, don't be insecure with posts like that!
Say what you want, you must have your reasons to be vegan but humans are omnivores. Everybody's metabolism is different. Depending on the work to do it's totally possible, people survived in concentration camps starving in inhumane conditions. The junkies in my hood have an Incredible resilience. As a species we have to reduce are meat and fish intake to be sustainable but a healthy mixed diet is always better.
Load More Replies...Being vegan/vegetarian can be difficult, but it is possible to do it and still get all your vitamins/nutrients and be healthy. Although, I do understand it isn’t for everyone, and that’s okay.
I do wish more people would eat vegan most of the time!! Not just to avoid animal suffering, but also because of the environmental effects that come from eating animal products. It's vegans that are going to end up saving this world ❤️
Load More Replies...I wish i could invite these people over for a meal. There should be NO reason a vegetarian/vegan meal is lacking in energy(carbs) or protein. Yes there are some nutrients you should probably take supplements for if you go down the vegan route. But many people who claim they NEED meat don't eat a balanced diet anyway, and are eating too much or too little of many nutrients, so it's a little bit hypocritical. If you can't make a vegetarian meal as satisfying as a meat based meal, you need to learn how to cook.
Amen. And over 1 billion Hindus manage meatless diets every day. And have for centuries. So.... they're not dying, are they? Also, you don't even need supplements if your diet is varied enough. The problem is, most people don't want to try anything. They'll decide "ew, lentils!" and not try them, yet if you eat just lentils and brown rice you can go three weeks before nutrition issues begin per fairly recent studies. And I'm a medical doctor, and I'm gonna say it again: Eat balanced. Lifelong veg-head and I'm in better health than many. Of course, if I'm really hungry, I *will* eat bugs, so...
Load More Replies...This is coming fromsomeone who’s been vegetarian her entire life so take this wiith a grain of salt. Do some research before changing your diet and try to cultivate some good bacterium that can digest your greens more efficiently than before. I don’t know about vegan but in vegetarian diets, try including curd and other such dairy products that can improve gut health. Also, when cooking vegetarian meals, try making foods which have your essential nutrients. Protein, carbs, minerals etc are easy to get in a vegetarian diet (unless you need extra protein, in that case switch to a different diet or have dairy). Vitamin B12 will be a bit hard to acquire but with the right food combination, you’ll be able to get your daily recommended dose (unless you need more, in that case get supplements or switch diets). I hope that some of this may have helped in some way
Thank you, Stardust! Let me add: As a vegan, you can for example brew your own Kombucha - it is healthy, cheap, easy, brings a lot of good bacteria to your gut and with a bit of experience you can really vary and doctor the taste to your liking!
Load More Replies...I never get why some people feel the need to say that being vegetarian/vegan is bad because it destroys the rainforest etc. Growing plants for vegetarians is taking too much land or uses water. What do you think animals in agriculture eat and drink? So they are taking up land to keep them and for their food. The sheer amount of animals we keep produce enormous amounts of pollutants. Eat what you want but don't use these strawmen arguments.
The biggest argument there would be with strictly organic. It takes more resources to produce "organic" fruits and vegetables as the crop yield is less. The Guardian had a good article on it a couple of weeks ago. And given that "organic:, at least in the US, is meaningless because organic producers can get around the restrictions very easily, it isn't worth the time, money and resources anyway. (Unless you know and really trust the farmer.)
Load More Replies...I cannot fathom why this whole thing is on bp. And with so many false claims. I swear this intentionally here to be inflammatory.
That is exactly what I thought, too. I had to stop reading because it made me angry. People who clearly suffered from an eating disorder, started for all the wrong reasons (being forced - WTAF?), had no idea about cooking, did not want to take supplements but were also too lazy to learn about nutrition, some most probably had unrelated health problems they did not get checked... Guys, you can be vegan and healthy if you put the effort in as well as you can be omnivore and suffer from malnutrition because you eat the same shït everyday! If you think you need meat, nobody can convince you otherwise. You cannot "make" somebody change, this will only breed resentment. True, lasting change always comes from the inside. Therefore, please let people eat whatever the F they like! I will never go back to eating meat but that was a spiritual decision (not for health, for weight loss etc.) and I cannot force that on others...
Load More Replies...No matter if you are a vegetarian, vegan or meat eater. You need to have a healthy and balanced diet, that fits your personal needs. While often meat lovers will not eat enough vegetables, vegetarians often won‘t eat enough protein instead. Also not everyone is made to be a vegetarian ☺️.
One of my aims for the coming year is to eat less meat - because i think it's healthier for my own personal circumstances, but there are just no end of people that would be willing to jump on that statement and add 'but why not just go full on veggie o r vegan?' and see me saying it in the same way as a religious fundamentalist see wanting to convert everyone they meet to their own exact criteria and beliefs. Let me do me, you just worry about yourself.
Any reduction of animal produce is better than none. Perfect’s the enemy of good 👍
Load More Replies...Most posts here are from people with eating disorders, those who feel for a trend or could not really follow a proper balanced diet. Vegetarians can live long, healthy and happy lives which was proven by many cultures around the world who’s been vegetarians for ages. It’s not a new ‘trend’. Veganism is harder but still likely doable if you can follow the rules.
While what you said may be somewhat true, vegetarianism and veganism have become a "trendy" thing in the west. People are jumping on the bandwagon because it makes them "cool". True, not all of them, but there are enough. And those tend to be the worst. They are the ones that turn it into a religion.
Load More Replies...Life long vegetarian here, and my country has a very very large vegetarian cuisine so it's never an issue :) plus being vegetarians for generations together might have just made our bodies used to it idk
I’m not vegetarian, but very easy for me to do so as I am also from a country which was built on vegetarianism. Only fairly recently (afaik don’t take my word) we started eating meat. I’m from India, how about you?
Load More Replies...I'm vegetarian since birth, 36 years old. I have 4 children, 4 healthy pregnancies without one piece of meat.My 72 years Dad ist hardcore vegan, perfectly healthy. People who are trying to be vegetarian or vegan, please, don't be insecure with posts like that!
Say what you want, you must have your reasons to be vegan but humans are omnivores. Everybody's metabolism is different. Depending on the work to do it's totally possible, people survived in concentration camps starving in inhumane conditions. The junkies in my hood have an Incredible resilience. As a species we have to reduce are meat and fish intake to be sustainable but a healthy mixed diet is always better.
Load More Replies...Being vegan/vegetarian can be difficult, but it is possible to do it and still get all your vitamins/nutrients and be healthy. Although, I do understand it isn’t for everyone, and that’s okay.
I do wish more people would eat vegan most of the time!! Not just to avoid animal suffering, but also because of the environmental effects that come from eating animal products. It's vegans that are going to end up saving this world ❤️
Load More Replies...I wish i could invite these people over for a meal. There should be NO reason a vegetarian/vegan meal is lacking in energy(carbs) or protein. Yes there are some nutrients you should probably take supplements for if you go down the vegan route. But many people who claim they NEED meat don't eat a balanced diet anyway, and are eating too much or too little of many nutrients, so it's a little bit hypocritical. If you can't make a vegetarian meal as satisfying as a meat based meal, you need to learn how to cook.
Amen. And over 1 billion Hindus manage meatless diets every day. And have for centuries. So.... they're not dying, are they? Also, you don't even need supplements if your diet is varied enough. The problem is, most people don't want to try anything. They'll decide "ew, lentils!" and not try them, yet if you eat just lentils and brown rice you can go three weeks before nutrition issues begin per fairly recent studies. And I'm a medical doctor, and I'm gonna say it again: Eat balanced. Lifelong veg-head and I'm in better health than many. Of course, if I'm really hungry, I *will* eat bugs, so...
Load More Replies...This is coming fromsomeone who’s been vegetarian her entire life so take this wiith a grain of salt. Do some research before changing your diet and try to cultivate some good bacterium that can digest your greens more efficiently than before. I don’t know about vegan but in vegetarian diets, try including curd and other such dairy products that can improve gut health. Also, when cooking vegetarian meals, try making foods which have your essential nutrients. Protein, carbs, minerals etc are easy to get in a vegetarian diet (unless you need extra protein, in that case switch to a different diet or have dairy). Vitamin B12 will be a bit hard to acquire but with the right food combination, you’ll be able to get your daily recommended dose (unless you need more, in that case get supplements or switch diets). I hope that some of this may have helped in some way
Thank you, Stardust! Let me add: As a vegan, you can for example brew your own Kombucha - it is healthy, cheap, easy, brings a lot of good bacteria to your gut and with a bit of experience you can really vary and doctor the taste to your liking!
Load More Replies...I never get why some people feel the need to say that being vegetarian/vegan is bad because it destroys the rainforest etc. Growing plants for vegetarians is taking too much land or uses water. What do you think animals in agriculture eat and drink? So they are taking up land to keep them and for their food. The sheer amount of animals we keep produce enormous amounts of pollutants. Eat what you want but don't use these strawmen arguments.
The biggest argument there would be with strictly organic. It takes more resources to produce "organic" fruits and vegetables as the crop yield is less. The Guardian had a good article on it a couple of weeks ago. And given that "organic:, at least in the US, is meaningless because organic producers can get around the restrictions very easily, it isn't worth the time, money and resources anyway. (Unless you know and really trust the farmer.)
Load More Replies...I cannot fathom why this whole thing is on bp. And with so many false claims. I swear this intentionally here to be inflammatory.
That is exactly what I thought, too. I had to stop reading because it made me angry. People who clearly suffered from an eating disorder, started for all the wrong reasons (being forced - WTAF?), had no idea about cooking, did not want to take supplements but were also too lazy to learn about nutrition, some most probably had unrelated health problems they did not get checked... Guys, you can be vegan and healthy if you put the effort in as well as you can be omnivore and suffer from malnutrition because you eat the same shït everyday! If you think you need meat, nobody can convince you otherwise. You cannot "make" somebody change, this will only breed resentment. True, lasting change always comes from the inside. Therefore, please let people eat whatever the F they like! I will never go back to eating meat but that was a spiritual decision (not for health, for weight loss etc.) and I cannot force that on others...
Load More Replies...No matter if you are a vegetarian, vegan or meat eater. You need to have a healthy and balanced diet, that fits your personal needs. While often meat lovers will not eat enough vegetables, vegetarians often won‘t eat enough protein instead. Also not everyone is made to be a vegetarian ☺️.
One of my aims for the coming year is to eat less meat - because i think it's healthier for my own personal circumstances, but there are just no end of people that would be willing to jump on that statement and add 'but why not just go full on veggie o r vegan?' and see me saying it in the same way as a religious fundamentalist see wanting to convert everyone they meet to their own exact criteria and beliefs. Let me do me, you just worry about yourself.
Any reduction of animal produce is better than none. Perfect’s the enemy of good 👍
Load More Replies...Most posts here are from people with eating disorders, those who feel for a trend or could not really follow a proper balanced diet. Vegetarians can live long, healthy and happy lives which was proven by many cultures around the world who’s been vegetarians for ages. It’s not a new ‘trend’. Veganism is harder but still likely doable if you can follow the rules.
While what you said may be somewhat true, vegetarianism and veganism have become a "trendy" thing in the west. People are jumping on the bandwagon because it makes them "cool". True, not all of them, but there are enough. And those tend to be the worst. They are the ones that turn it into a religion.
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