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Leaving your home state isn’t easy. Changing jobs is tough. Moving houses is not something I’d recommend trying out for fun.
Imagine what a whole different experience it is to leave the country altogether. With your friends and fave coffee place far behind, new life begins, posing as many challenges as opening new horizons.
But we can never step into the shoes of ex-American residents without letting them speak for themselves. Luckily, a redditor u/whizzythorne put up a question asking “Ex-Americans of Reddit, how has your life changed since moving out of the US?” on the r/AskReddit subreddit, giving us a better idea of everything that waits there on the other side of the world.
The answers are in down below and they surely give a lot of food for thought.
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#1
I an an American living in Sweden. I have lived here for 34 years and I love it. The weather is crap but otherwise everything is great.
Almost free healthcare. My 2 c-sections cost me 0 money. 0! A visit to the doctor otherwise is like 10 dollars.
Free school with free lunch. Amazing lunch!
I have 7 weeks off from work a year. And many great benefits such as healthcare extra money (300dollars /year) to spend on a gym membership or other health related activities.
My kids are at daycare every day. I pay around 150 dollars a month. And I pay the highest amount because I have a fairly high income. The people who make less pay a lot less. Like 50 dollars a month. The daycares are wonderful with a curriculum and great organic food an awesome outdoor areas.
I have lived almost my whole life I Sweden but have lived in Chicago and LA as an adult.
Nothing compares to Sweden. And my American dad who moved here when he was 30 say the same.
But the weather sucks!
Noez 🇸🇪 4 years ago
I can confirm the weather does indeed suck. Also, we love to complain about it. It's a rule.
Jouni Hakkarainen 4 years ago
The worst thing is, You swdes keep pushing that crappy weather to us in Finland :D
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Zaneta Berkyova 4 years ago
There is a bigger picture you are failing to see Jarrod.If you pay 57% tax,you still get more money that in America! I always wanted to live in America as a kid,but as I'm older,I understand how broken your system is.But you need to believe that you guys are better than rest of the world,otherwise there is no hope for you.I feel kind of sorry for you.All you know is that tax is high but not understanding how it really works.
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Mike Breen 4 years ago
No mention of the US tax code and FATCA I see. You are filing your massive penalty laden reporting with the IRS, right?
Florence Hastings 4 years ago
I live in denmark and the weather suckshere too but after reading the post am thinking of moving to sweden!
Zaneta Berkyova 4 years ago
All you Americans are talking about a tax,but you need to understand that we pay tax on how much we make.I don't work for this moment and we still have income of 3600 euros which is like 4000 dollars.Also my hudband works for American company and almost all americans got fired due to Corona crisis,but nobody wants to do it to Belgian people,cause if you get fired here,they still have to pay you many months like 70% of your salary.
Zaneta Berkyova 4 years ago
Here in Belgium you pay tax on how much you make.If you have low income,you pay like 15% if you make big money,your tax will be bigger too.My husband makes a bit around 5500-6000 but after tax it is like 3600 or so.That is like 4000 dollars.So yeah,we pay a huge tax,but we also make much more money i here.
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Barbara Vandewalle 4 years ago
How much are your taxes? 50 or 70%. If all your free stuff is in this tax rate you are not getting anything for free.
Zaneta Berkyova 4 years ago
I'm from Belgium.Tax here is like 60% but on my pay check is still 3600 euros witch is like 4000 dollars.So yeah,it is still very good.And schools are free.Doctors appointments is 4 euros.
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AlphaPuck 4 years ago
Whats your total tax rates? I know the answer cause my cousin lives in Örnsköldsvik but I love to hear Swedes say it after touting the "free" stuff
Remi Flynne 4 years ago
https://sweden.se/society/why-swedes-are-okay-with-paying-taxes/
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#2
American that immigrated to Canada here,
I’m no longer surrounded by political extremists all the time. In America, a huge chunk of going to work was arguing with idiots that thought the world was 6000 years old, Trump was some kind of savior and I was a stupid millennial that would understand that all of this is true when I’m older. In Canada, most conversations with people at work are about what happened on the weekend.
#3
Uh, I'm still American. I'm definitely never giving up my citizenship.
I moved to France at the end of 2017. My husband is French, and with Trump getting elected it made more sense for me to move there than for him to come to the US.
It has really opened my eyes to the rest of the world. I feel like America is in this weird bubble of being hyper focused on ourselves. My knowledge of history, politics, and different cultures has jumped considerably. I've met people from so many different countries that it truly amazes me.
It’s not entirely clear how many American citizens live abroad, but the Association of American Residents Overseas reported that an estimated 8.7 million Americans were living abroad in 2016. The number today is likely to be much greater.
The AARO has also stated that among the most popular destinations are the Western hemisphere and Canada, Central and South America, which make up to 40% of emigrants.
Other destinations include Europe with 26%, as well as East Asia and the Pacific with 24%, which is the same as the Middle East.
#4
Moved to Switzerland 5 years ago. The biggest difference is that there is more vacation time and higher salaries. This causes lower stress in general—people are always talking about their next holiday. In fact it’s hard to get together with friends sometimes because someone is always on holiday!
Less road rage and better drivers and public transit goes absolutely everywhere. We drive much less here and didn’t have a car for the first three years.
Subsidized pre-school (spielgruppe). No school on Wednesdays. Two hour lunch breaks. All the shops are closed on Sundays and holidays.
No Mexican food :(
We cook a lot more because eating out is incredibly expensive. We also lost about 10 lbs each from walking everywhere / eating better.
#5
American in Canada for about 15 years now.
F**kin' love it up here bud.
Canada is truly what America is supposed to be. I know that this is going to rankle the MAGA crowd, but I feel a hell of a lot freer up here than I ever did in the States.
Canada's not perfect, but they f**king try - and compared to the US, they get a lot closer to being right on a lot more things, in my opinion.
#6
I'm living in Germany. What I love is the city is designed for people. There's a park every couple of blocks, the sidewalks are super wide and well maintained, bike lanes are well observed by drivers, well marked, everything. Going to the doctor is awesome. I rarely need to go but they can fit me in right away, write referrals, and I still don't know what I paid. I never want to live in the US again. Not till they fix the system. Germany has 2 or 3 months of paid sick leave and it's super difficult to fire an employee. I have this ease and peace of mind. I don't have to worry about illness or injury ruining my life. I really miss salsa, fish tacos, and dill pickles but the finest chocolate is cheaper than the US cheap stuff. I'll accept that trade. Oh, other bonus: groceries are subsidized. It's about 20% cheaper to buy good food. Seeing the affordable food prices reminds me I'm living in a government that cares about its people. I can live without a car, I can fly all over Europe for super cheap. We travel once a month now. I feel like I'm living an extravagant lifestyle but our income hasn't increased that much.
Dee Hunter 4 years ago
Where in Germany does this person live that there are no dill pickles? Try your friendly supermarket next door, they probably have a shelf with at least ten varieties of pickles - including dill.
Bored Panda reached out to Jessica Cutrufello, the creator of the blog A Wanderlust For Life, who is passionate about European food, travel, and expat life, to find out more about the ups and downs of moving to live abroad.
Jessica was born and raised in the mountains of Virginia, then moved to very flat Amsterdam in the summer of 2014 and never looked back.
She recounted the life-changing decision: “Confident [her husband] would get work quickly, we sold everything, packed a couple of bags, and moved to Amsterdam in temporary housing until we figured it all out.” It took some luck, planning, and desperation of wanting to stay and the couple now owns their first home in Amsterdam.
#7
My quality of life has increased 1,000 fold. I am surrounded by much more intelligent people who are much more responsible to not only their fellow man, but also great lovers of animals. I have never been treated with such respect in my life as since I've lived here. I have never before seen a people take such good care of their children. I have never before seen a people love and respect animals as I have witnessed here. I'm in love with the west side of Turkey.
#8
Not an ex-American (I don't think that very many US citizens abroad would identify as "ex-Americans"), but a US citizen and cultural American living abroad. The biggest systemic difference I notice (8 years abroad, mostly in Germany) is that people here do not discuss:
1. The cost of studying
2. Medical expenses (at all. At all. Just imagine this.)
3. Whether or not they should see a doctor or dentist for a problem
4. The fear of losing their jobs
5. Getting a third job
6. The s**t hitting the fan on a personal economic level
7. The guilt of taking two days off work in a row to recover from illness
Instead, people discuss:
1. Politics and economics, on a high, evidence-based, internationally-minded level. Of course, people bitch about how dumb their local representatives are and whatever stupid thing someone said at a press conference, but there is so much more content-based discussion over a historical perspective.
2. Family and friends
3. Hobbies and travel
4. Books
5. You get the idea
Of course there are exceptions, but generally the basic well-being of the people in Germany is so secure that there is much more breathing room for average people to engage in completely different discussions. In the beginning it was frustrating. I often thought that everyone here was whining about pointless first-world problems, but now I see that it is a massive luxury. As a result, I would argue that the national discourse is healthier and more relevant. Germany has its issues, but it still feels utopian to me.
Keeping in mind that I moved from the US to Germany, I absolutely cannot fathom what it is like moving between two countries of vastly different economic and social levels
#9
Moved to Japan 7 years ago. It's nice to finally have health care and to be able to actually afford medicine / the hospital when I need it. The language barrier was a little steep at first, but luckily my first job here afforded me plenty of time to study.
Also, it's really nice to be able to go for a walk or explore the woods and not have to worry about someone shooting me. I have never felt safer than I do in this country. It's a surreal experience.
I miss real pizza and decent hamburgers though.
Jessica said that she truly misses her “local creamery's milk and ice cream.” Also, she said she would like to be able “to pick up A1 steak sauce in the supermarket.” However, she appreciates social norms better in the Netherlands. “It's a culture that's direct, which is incredibly refreshing. There's also more inherent trust all around.”
The travel blogger and expat life enthusiast has also said that “Even though our taxes are way higher, we feel safer, we feel more taken care of, and we are able to travel around Europe quickly and easily because we have an airport that's a main hub and super close to our house.”
In comparison, it used to take the family 2 hours to drive to the airport when they lived in Virginia.
#10
Great! Moved to Canada after Trump was elected. Never looked back. More and more I feel like it was the right choice.
#11
Like most ppl here, still American, just live in Australia. I am so much happier and less stressed than in America. My employer treats me with respect, no doctors notes, no guilt trip if I want to see my kid run in the school sports carnival.
I went from being the right wing Republican my parents raised me to be to a huge advocate for universal healthcare and sensible gun control because I live in a country where both have been implemented and both have improved the lives of the people who live here.
Also, preferential voting us amazing and I think it is superior to first past the post.
Everything is a bit more expensive here. That's the biggest downside.
#12
I'm not even close to as worried about the Coronavirus as if I still lived in the US. I live in Germany now.
I also eat much smaller portions. Not because I want to eat less in general, but because Americans eat giant food portions.
Dynein 4 years ago
From what I heard, it's not just portion size but also how much calories the food has per... volume or whatever. I know a few people who've been to the US, and they don't just talk about the portion size, they also talk about how they ate a small portion even by German standards (like, a single cookie) and felt full and could go on for hours and hours without food before even feeling remotely hungry again.... I swear a lot of people in America could probably lose weight eating the same amount of food but in a different country...
The biggest thing that Jessica she didn’t realize she was worrying about until the family moved to the Netherlands was the healthcare. “We don’t have to worry about it anymore.”
Jessica also revealed that she finds it very refreshing and time-saving that Dutch people are extremely direct. “Americans often see it as rude, which I totally understand, because many of us are taught to walk on eggshells, tell little white lies to make people not feel bad, and just dance around every possible issue,” the woman explained.
#13
I no longer have to determine if I'm sick enough to go to the doctor or ER because of costs. Medical treatment here is almost entirely covered by taxes, and it's an amazing feeling after living in the US. I won't lose my savings if I get cancer or have a car accident. If I don't feel well, I just pop down to my doctor for a free visit. (Yes, I know nothing is truly free.)
I have more free time and less stress. Work-life balance is valued more here. No one questions or cares if I take a sick day or need time to go to an appointment. I'm able to pursue hobbies and have a decent social life without other areas of my life being impacted. Life is just more laid back. It took me about five years to adjust to it, but I've fully embraced it now. When I visit the US, I'm always very glad that I no longer live there.
#14
Moving back to the US after 6 years away was harder than moving away. My mind set changed. I appreciate national health care, gun control, a more open mindset to other cultures. It was hard coming back and not having these things and not having people who think in the middle and not the extreme.
#15
Life in New Zealand is amazing. The work-life balance feels, you know, balanced, and I've had many more opportunities to go traveling (ironically, since NZ is about as far as possible from anywhere else).
But the biggest change is probably becoming a parent. New Zealand offers free IVF to citizens/permanent residents (if they meet qualifying criteria) - I would not have been able to afford treatment in the US.
#16
Still American, but I have lived in England for 16 years.
I have a better job here than what I did in the US and free healthcare.
The weather can be a downer, especially when I have to take the dog for a walk. And I have to take vitamin d supplements.
I have some great friends and a boyfriend, 2 cats a dog, car and a flat. before I left the US I was in retail and recently divorced. With maybe 1 friend and I was living with my Mom.
Ian Milne 4 years ago
I don’t get why you would need vitamin D supplements for the UK. Sure there’s plenty of cold and wet days, but there’s more than enough sunlight to negate the need for supplements. I’m from the UK, we’re not all walking around bow legged due to the rickets we’re suffering from!
#17
I've lived in a few countries outside of the US: Romania, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Georgia (the republic)
Main everyday benefits are public transportation is really easy, convenient, and cheap to use every day. I also eat out a lot more because it's much cheaper and more relaxed.
I haven't had to deal with health stuff much, but when I have, it's awesome and life changing. For example, I recently partially dislocated my shoulder and am able to afford out of pocket service at one of the best physical therapists in my city. In the US, I can't afford insurance and would just not see a doctor since it isn't extremely painful or life threatening.
RaroaRaroa 4 years ago
Maybe this is what's behind so much anger in the US these days. The reason people go off at each other so easily is because they're in physical pain because they don't go and get it seen to. Being in pain all the time would really put you on edge.
#18
My life is good. I expected the language and culture. Didn't expect that I'd be happier here honestly, but I'm happier and can smile more. Moved US to Germany.
#19
I moved from America to Northern England around early December last year to finally live with my ldr spouse and partner of 6 years. I can say with confidence that I have gone to get doctor visits MULTIPLE times in the past couple of months at basically no cost, it's pretty surreal and awesome. Also, the food in general is much better, as far as quality and taste goes, but you have to go shopping every few or couple of days because they don't last on the shelf for as long. I also really like how public transport is EVERYWHERE, it's not always perfect (buses often are late and even broke down once), but it's a step up from having no car in the USA and being helpless lol.
George-Florin Constantin 4 years ago
Food not lasting for very long means it hasn't been treated with preservatives or iradiated or genetically engineered.
#20
I can see a much needed therapist for free. Even though it was a whole process. It's still f**king free. I will have to go on mood stabilizers soon. Free.
I get chronic migraines. They are debilitating. I stay home. I still get payed. I took a month of Vacation time last year. Still get payed.
My last job in the states I had 5 sick days a year. 5 vacation days a year.
Honestly the worker rights in my current country (and most) need to still be improved drastically. But the US is a different kind of wage slavery.
Ami Temi 4 years ago (edited)
Reading all these posts, I can imagine these people being baffled by the differences and now seeing the insanity of the system in the USA. That system is poisoning everyone. Keeping their countrymen stupid and having worries all the time that shouldn't be there, stops the average American from thinking about it or knowing that they can easily have a better life. In a country where there's so much talk of God and patriotism, a few have a paradise, while the rest seems to be stuck in a purgatory for their entire lives. No wonder Americans are stressed out, obese and out of touch with the world... Plus, working more hours doesn't make the system more productive or the people more hard working, while people who receive a positive attitude from their employer and are not burnt out, are more productive in our normal 38-40 h/week. I'd rather pay +/- 40% income taxes in my country and be secure, than paying a significant amount and not getting anything in return like an average Joe in the USA. A small step towards improvement would be not voting again for the guy who thinks he owns the world. Even though Biden Is far from perfect, he's still a hundred times better as a person or politician!
#21
Newly minted ex-pat. Just coming up on my first year in Europe.
Pros --
• public transportation. We don't have a car and have rarely even had the need for it. When we do, we can always grab a Vozilla (or similar)
• healthcare -- just went for an annual checkup. Had a dr consult, EKG, full blood work/labs -- out of pocket was $9 USD. My wife just spent 9 days in the hospital, lots and lots of testing. Total OOP for that was $0. Knowing that, when you leave the hospital or doctor's office, you will never get a bill in the mail is so liberating, it's really hard to oversell how big of a relief that is.
• Food -- much fresher and more flavorful from the markets and cheaper in the restaurants
• Beer is much cheaper and flavorful
Cons --
• Not knowing the language is tough. I'm still able to get through the day, but it's a lot tougher than it has to be and I plan on getting lessons very soon.
• As others have stated, shopping is usually done at much smaller "bodega" type stores so you might have to go to a few stores to get all the ingredients for a single meal
• Just about everything is closed on Sundays (except the last Sunday of the month), so you have to plan accordingly
Overall, it's been a very positive experience and I don't plan on going back to live in the states
#22
Amazing. We save a nice amount of money. The advertisements here are of useful everyday things. Overabundance is absurd in the US. Exercise is not a gym or a pill it's just walking to get groceries. Or just being outside to walk to a cafe. The food is way better. Not full of chemicals. Fresh food tastes like its supposed to.
#23
I've lived in several different countries so the changes were different in each one. The one major/constant one is that I travel a lot more now. Not because I have some sort of passion for travel or because I feel like I missed out on it living in the US (I traveled a lot as a kid). It's just so damn easy, that it's not even much of a thought. Traveling outside of your state is a hassle but outside of the U.S., that's a major trip. Traveling to a neighboring country now is a 1-2 hour train and I am in a completely different culture, with a different language, different food, etc.
#24
I moved to Canada in 2013, so not a drastic change culturally. The biggest difference is that I was able to build myself as a freelancer and artist without the fear that I wouldn't have health insurance. I was able to join a union pretty easily and I get all kinds of supplemental perks from that. Things are more expensive here, but even accounting for the currency conversion I make triple what I did in the same job in my home state.
#25
I was living in Hong Kong for a few years but returned due to the protests.
The best things were public transit, having fast, reliable public transit and just getting on a double-decker bus after work and spacing out on my phone or jumping on a train and being on a beautiful mountain ready to hike within 40 minutes was amazing.
The food was incredible. I think a lot of westerners go and get pizza or pasta or whatever they're used to but it's expensive and not very good. The little dumpling shops and random Sichuan noodle places though can't be beat.
And of course healthcare. There's an inexpensive public option that you have to wait for and also an expensive private option that still has to compete with the public option. So the prices aren't bad at all even with the private doctors and you get something for the extra cost. I never waited more than a couple minutes for a scheduled appointment and the care was far superior to anything I've ever dealt with in the US.
A visit for food poisoning and flu ran me $45 USD with prescriptions. $80 USD for the dentist. $700 usd for 3 months of concerta and a meeting with a specialist. Now I'm back in the US, my wife had to go to an appointment at the nicer local hospital. We waited for an hour in a dirty waiting room with furniture that's falling falling apart for a scheduled appointment that lasted all of 15 minutes, and talked to the doctor for just 2 minutes. $650 without any medications.
#26
Left the US years ago. Still an American (since it's a long process to get new citizenship and I like having options)
I moved to Japan. I was able to buy a house in the countryside that was a decent price. I'm able to afford a house, a car and a kid on a single income. I can afford going to the doctor which is cool.
For the most part, it's easy to get Western media such as Netflix and Disney deluxe.
Food is crazy expensive. Like a $1 for a single apple or heaven forbid if I want watermelon
#27
I enjoy not getting harassed on the street by random strangers, even in a country where I stick out as a foreigner like a sore thumb. People leave each other alone, with the exception of the occasional drunk old man or generally rude ***hole (everywhere in the world's got at least a few). Civilized societies are nice.
Nicola Roberts 4 years ago
This is interesting. I don't remember the post, but an American was proud of the friendly, outgoing nature of strangers especially in the South. He was comparing it the impersonal unobtrusive chat found in Europe. As a European, if you're not walking a dog, smiling and eye contact is just weird! x
#28
Dual citizen. 20 years in Nz. Some positives are: plenty of work, don't have to worry about health insurance or paying for an ambulance, gun control ( I grew up hunting). Also when there is a major issue the country needs to decide, we have referendums. They mail out a voting form and you tick yes or no on the issue and post back. I dont remember doing this in the states. Some negatives are: house prices are pretty high. NZ is Sooo far away from anywhere, I've only been home 4 times for a 2 week visit. My parents missed out on my kids childhood.
#29
I'm an expat American, which is not an "ex-American." I left the US in the 1980s.
I've always had healthcare, as have my kidd. I've had 4 operations myself and my kids have had another 4 in total, and I never paid a penny for them.
I've had sick days at every job I've ever had. Jobs must pay transportation costs
I've been able to pay my bills without writing a check for decades. Most are done by direct order these days.
My salary is directly deposited in my bank once a month. Taxes are automatically deducted.
I don't have to pay for incoming cellphone calls.
Most official things are done by text these days. For example, when I get a package, the post office notifies me by text rather than sending a slip.
George-Florin Constantin 4 years ago
All this is just normal stuff in Europe. Isn't it the same in the US?
#30
I am a Norwegian-American and I have lived in Iceland, Norway, and the Faroe Islands. I am now living in Moscow, Russia, waiting for my residency to be processed. The main change from moving from the States to Russia is the availability to great health care without buying health insurance. I had an MRI done for $20 and they gave me a thumb drive of the scans so I can take it to whichever other clinic I might want to. Then I had 3 ultrasounds during one session, with blood work, and it all only cost around $45 dollars. These appointments were all done on the same day I called to make them and within a 5 mile radius of my home. This was all with a private healthcare clinic too, which is more expensive than just the State run healthcare. So yeah, it's amazing to have that. It's also nice to be able to buy a nice apartment and Summer house without taking a mortgage. I'll just add that life in Russia is much more similar to the United States than it ever was while living in the Nordic countries that I had lived in.
What do you think ?
Susan 4 years ago
Yeah, people who think the highest, and best standard of living is found in America are sorely mistaken. Our country is failing on nearly every front. If we don't learn from our mistakes, and from wiser countries, we will be making a tragic mistake. I pray that all the horror Trump and his supporters have vomited on the rest of us will teach us to do so much better in the future.
Craig Reynolds 3 years ago
And now we have Biden/Harris so how is that working out for you?
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chi-wei shen 4 years ago
Universal healthcare and vacation time seem to be the most important issues for American expats. For non-Americans like me (Austrian) it's difficult to understand how this is actually handled in the US. On the other hand almost no one seems to miss how simple it is to buy things in shops. In many cities in Europe yo often have to visit a few stores before you find what you want.I didn't have this problem in the US. When I first came to the United States a few years ago I thought I have landed in a huge shopping mall of continental proportions.
Shelp 4 years ago
Personnaly, I love those mini-stores where you don't have that much choice. I hate the gigantic malls. I once had a panick attack in a giant mall, because there was too much choice. I don't want to experience that ever again.
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Sill Marien 4 years ago
A lot of them wrote they walk more. Well I bet! The first thing that bothered me while living in the US for 5 months was no effing pavements anywhere outside "representative" city centre! My initial plan was like "we're gonna walk to work it's like 2-3 km", and then I had to rent a car :(
M O'Connell 4 years ago
New communities aren't planned with walking or public transit in mind. Everything is so far apart, no sidewalks, etc. And you would think we would be good at designing parking lots, but god we suck at it, at least where I live.
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Mimi777 4 years ago
My husband and I plan to move to England in the next few years although Covid19 has pushed things back a bit. Ever since we had a child we realized we don’t want to raise her in the USA. No country is perfect but there are so many things wrong here and no progress in making things better. The “American Dream” has long been dead.
Carolina Fernández González 4 years ago
I would like to know about Americans living in South and Central America. All these people live in Europe and Asia, but I didn't read about one living in our side of the continent. It would be funny to read about how they were surprised that we live in actual cities and not in jungle like some movies show lol.
NMN 4 years ago
There was a guy that mentioned he lived in Lima (Chile). But way so briefly. And you should just dismiss people that think there are not big cities, those just need to go back to middle school. There are 600,000 people where I live now in US, and that is a decent size (largest in the state), but a long way from the 11 million of where I was born.
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Meyer Weinstock 4 years ago
Thanks for rubbing it in. I've been trying to leave for a decade. Only in this past year have any employment offers have arrived, and they have been rescinded due to the outbreak. Worse, I cannot seem to secure work offers from places where is snows, only from hot & humid tropical places... *sobs sonorously*
Tabitha L 4 years ago
Oooh. Where can I get a job in a place with snow??? I love snow!!
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nanashi 4 years ago
I sometimes think medias overblown the issues regarding America's healthcare. I didn't think it was as bad as they said. but reading this list... are they really that bad?
Sarah Smith 4 years ago (edited)
I work in a doctor's office and it is really that bad. Insurance barely covers anything, if anything at all. Most is up to the patient to pay out of pocket.
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Lisa Chambers 4 years ago
My life in the US is exactly what I make it. I have lived in several countries, and they have their hassles. Things to love, things I didn't. It was never that big of a deal. I only struggled a little with language in Greece until I trained my hear to really hear it. I am not really sure why there is a need to compare everything, all the time.
elia 84631 4 years ago
I think the Greece has its problems too like economical crisis, unemployment, but also has good foods, language and history.
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I just want to know how all of you ex-pats are handling your annual US tax filing since Americans are taxed on citizenship, not residency-based.
Craig Reynolds 3 years ago
When I was in China for 2 months in early 2019 I woke up one night with a fever of 105F and unstoppable shivers and chest congestion. I was fine when I went to bed. I had to take two aspirin just so I could get out of bed. Went to the ER in Beijing and was panicked because I did buy travelers' health insurance. ER took my temp and directed me to a separate infectious care unit. There I was examined by a doctor within 5 minutes, had bloodwork and throat culture taken with results back in 20 minutes. The result? An unclassified upper respiratory infection. Thinking back to my other symptoms it was probably a super early case of Covid but that's beside the point. I was given two prescriptions and directed to a pharmacy window which was also the checkout window where I was wondering how many credit cards I was going to have to meltdown to cover the bill. I was panicked for nothing! The scary number was 350 and I was stunned. I was even more stunned when I realized that was RMB not USD
Nicholas Yu 3 years ago
America is full of idiots who've never traveled outside the US, and when they do, they expect the locals to speak English.
Dorothy Cloud 4 years ago
Golly, since all of these comments are from people that were so very disappointed & disliked America so much, I'm sure they will never come back to this awful country. Too bad, so sad!
James Gallegos 4 years ago
I've always been fascinated with Australia ever since I was a kid and actually thought about moving there someday. That was until I discovered New Zealand! I think that's where I see myself living in the next few years.
Leslie Jensen 4 years ago
I lived in the Netherlands for 3 years and was always able to find A1 sauce and the milk, ice cream, cheese (all dairy actually) was far better than anything in the US.
zims 4 years ago
These posts: "Living outside the US is amazing. I take a vacation every other week and go to the doctor just to have tea and catch up. Colleges pay me to attend. My weight is down, my lungs are clean, my dogs are fed. The fountains dispense milk and honey and the streets are paved with gold." Me: "I'm moving to Europe!" These posts: "There's no Mexican food though." Me: ...*unpacks bags*
Azure Adams 4 years ago
So how do I work as a therapist in another country? I have clinical skill up the wazoo and ready to go for any country other than the US that needs me.
Tabitha L 4 years ago (edited)
Hey Pandas - I'd love some advice. I have a friend who is done with living in the US. She was originally thinking Canada, but now thinks it is too much like the US. She is now hoping to move to Europe. She has 2 children, loves horses, open space, farms, healthy food, holistic living. Wants a walkable small town like she has in US. Looking for low cost of living because she is a stay at home mom. And a place where guns are not allowed at all. No guns. Suggestions and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Damián Dell'Amico 4 years ago
Hello, writing from Paris, France here. There's really plenty of walkable small towns all over in Europe (literally, ALL small towns are walkable, and even our largest cities are walkable too), some of them offer holistic living. I'm gonna google them up and let you know. If you wanna google them up on your side, I'm thinking you should look up for smtgh like "the 50 most beautiful towns in [insert country here]". NO place in Europe/the World allows guns (that's just a US thing). About the cost of living, maybe the cheapest place would be Portugal (lots of retired Northern Europeans go live there to make the most and the best out of their pensions). However, a very strong word of caution: your friend must definitely start learning the language once she'll have made her choice and before she inmigrates over here. We all speak very different languages (the only exceptions are Ireland and the UK). I bet she'll totally adore moving over here, wherever that is.
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WilvanderHeijden 4 years ago
" Because the servers are paid minimum wage and rely on tips they are more than likely to make your dining experience a pleasurable..." In other words: "I love it when people have to humiliate themselves to make me feel like I'm back at the good ol' plantation when I still had my slaves..." It does tell a lot about how Americans expect to be treated like royalty by servers and why they go crazy if they think that they are "disrespected."
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Susan 4 years ago
Yeah, people who think the highest, and best standard of living is found in America are sorely mistaken. Our country is failing on nearly every front. If we don't learn from our mistakes, and from wiser countries, we will be making a tragic mistake. I pray that all the horror Trump and his supporters have vomited on the rest of us will teach us to do so much better in the future.
Craig Reynolds 3 years ago
And now we have Biden/Harris so how is that working out for you?
Load More Replies... chi-wei shen 4 years ago
Universal healthcare and vacation time seem to be the most important issues for American expats. For non-Americans like me (Austrian) it's difficult to understand how this is actually handled in the US. On the other hand almost no one seems to miss how simple it is to buy things in shops. In many cities in Europe yo often have to visit a few stores before you find what you want.I didn't have this problem in the US. When I first came to the United States a few years ago I thought I have landed in a huge shopping mall of continental proportions.
Shelp 4 years ago
Personnaly, I love those mini-stores where you don't have that much choice. I hate the gigantic malls. I once had a panick attack in a giant mall, because there was too much choice. I don't want to experience that ever again.
Load More Replies... Sill Marien 4 years ago
A lot of them wrote they walk more. Well I bet! The first thing that bothered me while living in the US for 5 months was no effing pavements anywhere outside "representative" city centre! My initial plan was like "we're gonna walk to work it's like 2-3 km", and then I had to rent a car :(
M O'Connell 4 years ago
New communities aren't planned with walking or public transit in mind. Everything is so far apart, no sidewalks, etc. And you would think we would be good at designing parking lots, but god we suck at it, at least where I live.
Load More Replies... Mimi777 4 years ago
My husband and I plan to move to England in the next few years although Covid19 has pushed things back a bit. Ever since we had a child we realized we don’t want to raise her in the USA. No country is perfect but there are so many things wrong here and no progress in making things better. The “American Dream” has long been dead.
Carolina Fernández González 4 years ago
I would like to know about Americans living in South and Central America. All these people live in Europe and Asia, but I didn't read about one living in our side of the continent. It would be funny to read about how they were surprised that we live in actual cities and not in jungle like some movies show lol.
NMN 4 years ago
There was a guy that mentioned he lived in Lima (Chile). But way so briefly. And you should just dismiss people that think there are not big cities, those just need to go back to middle school. There are 600,000 people where I live now in US, and that is a decent size (largest in the state), but a long way from the 11 million of where I was born.
Load More Replies... Meyer Weinstock 4 years ago
Thanks for rubbing it in. I've been trying to leave for a decade. Only in this past year have any employment offers have arrived, and they have been rescinded due to the outbreak. Worse, I cannot seem to secure work offers from places where is snows, only from hot & humid tropical places... *sobs sonorously*
Tabitha L 4 years ago
Oooh. Where can I get a job in a place with snow??? I love snow!!
Load More Replies... nanashi 4 years ago
I sometimes think medias overblown the issues regarding America's healthcare. I didn't think it was as bad as they said. but reading this list... are they really that bad?
Sarah Smith 4 years ago (edited)
I work in a doctor's office and it is really that bad. Insurance barely covers anything, if anything at all. Most is up to the patient to pay out of pocket.
Load More Replies... Lisa Chambers 4 years ago
My life in the US is exactly what I make it. I have lived in several countries, and they have their hassles. Things to love, things I didn't. It was never that big of a deal. I only struggled a little with language in Greece until I trained my hear to really hear it. I am not really sure why there is a need to compare everything, all the time.
elia 84631 4 years ago
I think the Greece has its problems too like economical crisis, unemployment, but also has good foods, language and history.
Load More Replies... Craig Reynolds 3 years ago
I just want to know how all of you ex-pats are handling your annual US tax filing since Americans are taxed on citizenship, not residency-based.
Craig Reynolds 3 years ago
When I was in China for 2 months in early 2019 I woke up one night with a fever of 105F and unstoppable shivers and chest congestion. I was fine when I went to bed. I had to take two aspirin just so I could get out of bed. Went to the ER in Beijing and was panicked because I did buy travelers' health insurance. ER took my temp and directed me to a separate infectious care unit. There I was examined by a doctor within 5 minutes, had bloodwork and throat culture taken with results back in 20 minutes. The result? An unclassified upper respiratory infection. Thinking back to my other symptoms it was probably a super early case of Covid but that's beside the point. I was given two prescriptions and directed to a pharmacy window which was also the checkout window where I was wondering how many credit cards I was going to have to meltdown to cover the bill. I was panicked for nothing! The scary number was 350 and I was stunned. I was even more stunned when I realized that was RMB not USD
Nicholas Yu 3 years ago
America is full of idiots who've never traveled outside the US, and when they do, they expect the locals to speak English.
Dorothy Cloud 4 years ago
Golly, since all of these comments are from people that were so very disappointed & disliked America so much, I'm sure they will never come back to this awful country. Too bad, so sad!
James Gallegos 4 years ago
I've always been fascinated with Australia ever since I was a kid and actually thought about moving there someday. That was until I discovered New Zealand! I think that's where I see myself living in the next few years.
Leslie Jensen 4 years ago
I lived in the Netherlands for 3 years and was always able to find A1 sauce and the milk, ice cream, cheese (all dairy actually) was far better than anything in the US.
zims 4 years ago
These posts: "Living outside the US is amazing. I take a vacation every other week and go to the doctor just to have tea and catch up. Colleges pay me to attend. My weight is down, my lungs are clean, my dogs are fed. The fountains dispense milk and honey and the streets are paved with gold." Me: "I'm moving to Europe!" These posts: "There's no Mexican food though." Me: ...*unpacks bags*
Azure Adams 4 years ago
So how do I work as a therapist in another country? I have clinical skill up the wazoo and ready to go for any country other than the US that needs me.
Tabitha L 4 years ago (edited)
Hey Pandas - I'd love some advice. I have a friend who is done with living in the US. She was originally thinking Canada, but now thinks it is too much like the US. She is now hoping to move to Europe. She has 2 children, loves horses, open space, farms, healthy food, holistic living. Wants a walkable small town like she has in US. Looking for low cost of living because she is a stay at home mom. And a place where guns are not allowed at all. No guns. Suggestions and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Damián Dell'Amico 4 years ago
Hello, writing from Paris, France here. There's really plenty of walkable small towns all over in Europe (literally, ALL small towns are walkable, and even our largest cities are walkable too), some of them offer holistic living. I'm gonna google them up and let you know. If you wanna google them up on your side, I'm thinking you should look up for smtgh like "the 50 most beautiful towns in [insert country here]". NO place in Europe/the World allows guns (that's just a US thing). About the cost of living, maybe the cheapest place would be Portugal (lots of retired Northern Europeans go live there to make the most and the best out of their pensions). However, a very strong word of caution: your friend must definitely start learning the language once she'll have made her choice and before she inmigrates over here. We all speak very different languages (the only exceptions are Ireland and the UK). I bet she'll totally adore moving over here, wherever that is.
Load More Replies... WilvanderHeijden 4 years ago
" Because the servers are paid minimum wage and rely on tips they are more than likely to make your dining experience a pleasurable..." In other words: "I love it when people have to humiliate themselves to make me feel like I'm back at the good ol' plantation when I still had my slaves..." It does tell a lot about how Americans expect to be treated like royalty by servers and why they go crazy if they think that they are "disrespected."
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