Bored Panda works better on our iPhone app
Continue in app Continue in browser

Add post form topAdd Post
Tooltip close

The Bored Panda iOS app is live! Fight boredom with iPhones and iPads here.

Male Colleagues Tell A Female Heart Surgeon That The “Gender Pay Gap” Is Not Real, She Exposes The Reality
User submission
42.2K

Male Colleagues Tell A Female Heart Surgeon That The “Gender Pay Gap” Is Not Real, She Exposes The Reality

Interview With Author Doctor Provides Evidence That The Gender Pay Gap Is Very Real In Medicine, Explains What Can Be Done To Fix ItDoctor Provides Evidence That The Gender Pay Gap Is Very Real In Health Care, Explains What Needs To Happen To Fix ItSurgeon Provides An Insight Into How The Gender Pay Gap In Medicine Can Be Reduced In A Viral Twitter ThreadDoctor Proves The Gender Pay Gap Exists In Medicine, Explains The Reasons For It And What Can Be Done To Change ThingsSurgeon Provides Evidence To Her Disbelieving Colleagues On How The Gender Pay Gap In Medicine Is Still Very RealHeart Surgeon Is Tired Of Hearing That Male Colleagues Tell A Female Heart Surgeon That The Female Heart Surgeon Shares The Reality Of The Gender Pay Gap In Medicine After Men Keep Telling Her It's Not RealHeart Surgeon Shares Examples Of The Gender Pay Gap In Medicine After Some Claim It's Heart Surgeon Goes Viral For Her Thread On The Myths About Gender Pay Gaps In Medicine
ADVERTISEMENT

The wage gap between men and women is very real, even in our oh-so-modern Western society. However, not everyone believes it is. And some think that it doesn’t exist in prestigious areas like medicine. Well, Dr. Nikki Stamp, a heart and lung transplant surgeon from Australia, put them right in a viral Twitter thread. She did what all good scientists do: she followed the evidence. Have a read through her arguments below and let us know what you think.

According to Dr. Stamp, the wage gap is deeply enrooted in the entire job industry: it’s even prevalent in very prestigious parts of the job market. And if inequality exists there, well, imagine how visible it is in other areas, too. Dr. Stamp told Bored Panda that most examinations of the gender pay gap have shown that “it is mainly men who don’t believe in the existence of the gender pay gap, or attribute it to simply to women who have children.”

Meanwhile, Eddy Ng, the James and Elizabeth Freeman Professor of Management at Bucknell University in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, went into detail with Bored Panda about how women are underrepresented at senior levels in jobs. “They don’t fit the prototype of what leaders look like. They often lacked the preparation, not in terms of qualifications, but the socialization necessary to ascend to elite levels. Some of these are political skills, some are sponsorships, and some are social capital acquired at the golf courses and locker rooms, and few women partake in these socialization activities.”

More info: Twitter | DrNikkiStamp.com

ADVERTISEMENT

Image credits: jeshoots

Dr. Stamp provided a bucketload of evidence as to why the gender pay gap exists in medicine and what can be done about it

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Image credits: drnikkistamp

The Gender Gap in a Surgical Subspecialty

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Pay gaps in medicine and the impact of COVID-19 on doctors’ careers

ADVERTISEMENT

Image credits: drnikkistamp

ADVERTISEMENT

Sex-Based Disparities in the Hourly Earnings of Surgeons

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Image credits: drnikkistamp

A Structured Compensation Plan Improves But Does Not Erase the Sex Pay Gap in Surgery

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Wages and Women in Health Care: The Race and Gender Gap

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Image credits: drnikkistamp

What’s driving the gender pay gap in medicine?

ADVERTISEMENT

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Gender pay gap growing

Image credits: drnikkistamp

How to Close the Gender Pay Gap in U.S. Medicine

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Image credits: drnikkistamp

Dr. Stamp explained that the exact reasons as to why some professionals ignore the gender pay gap aren’t clear but could be due to a lack of transparency or them not having experienced it themselves. “The reason that this is problematic is that it isn’t economic or legal actions that will resolve the gender pay gap but cultural changes. If people don’t even believe something exists, how can we change it?”

ADVERTISEMENT

We also wanted to get Dr. Stamp’s take on what could be done to equalize the disproportionate distribution of chores at home. “This could be a chicken and egg situation—it’s thought that reducing the gender pay gap increases women’s workforce participation and reduces the amount of housework they do, increasing the amount their spouses do. But of course, women have also been shown to do more chores at home than their husbands even when they earn more money. However, these are big cultural changes requiring us to upend long-standing social structures. Recognizing that we experience the world differently depending on our gender would be a good start.”

According to professor Ng, “Women make less than men because they are concentrated in lower-paying professions or lower-paying industries, even for female executives and CEOs. Think CEO for a cosmetics company vs. CEO for a manufacturing company.”

He continued: “Taste discrimination—paying women less than men for doing the same job—is another factor. Women rely on other women for sources of (compensation) information and mentorship. This in turn has the unintended effect of receiving inaccurate/discounted information from women mentors who are being paid less themselves, and then forming lower expectations. Inaccurate information, lower expectations, and negotiation styles lead women to negotiate lower salaries at the start of their careers, and this gets magnified as women progress through their careers. Career interruptions (to start a family) also exacerbate the pay gap. and men rarely interrupt their careers to start a family.”

ADVERTISEMENT

Professor Ng also pointed out that racialized women are greatly affected by the disruptions that the pandemic had on the job market because they are “often employed in low skill jobs and in industries that are primed to be automated. Think meatpacking, grocery shopping, and other service-based jobs. Here’s an example. The pandemic accelerated the automation because of health and safety needs. It also temporarily or permanently eliminated many service and hospitality jobs because of lockdowns.”

Dr. Stamp explained that some of the ways that could help fix the income inequality in medicine could be to have better pay transparency, sponsor women, and promote employees equally.

She also said that generally abolishing gender bias in medicine is something that we should strive towards (though that’s unlikely to happen overnight even with the best of intentions). What’s more, better research and reporting of salaries in medical fields could help with transparency issues. In other words, if you know what your colleague is getting paid, you’ll start asking questions why you’re not for the same work that you do.

The Harvard Business Review suggested that the pandemic reversed a lot of the progress toward greater gender equality that had been achieved over the past few years. According to them, women’s jobs are a whopping 1.8 times more vulnerable during the Covid-19 pandemic than men’s are.

ADVERTISEMENT

“Women make up 39% of global employment but account for 54% of overall job losses as of May 2020,” HBR writes.

What’s more, Forbes explains that women take on the vast majority of extra chores, childcare, and education for their families at home. In short, there’s a disproportionate division of labor at home between partners.

Here’s how people reacted to Dr. Stamp’s viral Twitter thread and insights

Image credits: akuhabaki

Image credits: Silfy_Star

Image credits: justinerogers

Image credits: w1lko21

ADVERTISEMENT

Image credits: SallyMayweather

Image credits: chelsairitops

Image credits: RedBearStandin1

Image credits: jennie0501

In an earlier interview, we spoke more with Professor Ng about how the pandemic has unequally affected women in the workforce and why.

Professor Ng explained that women are “overrepresented in lower-paying and precarious jobs.” Areas like retail, service, and hospitality have far less job security and benefits. “Men on the other hand are found in industries that are deemed essential, such as transportation (delivery) and construction,” he said.

The Covid-19 pandemic, as well as the massive restrictions on businesses and movement, forced many retail and hospitality businesses to scale down. Others went bankrupt. This meant that a large number of women were laid off from their jobs or displaced. According to Professor Ng, the situation is even worse for women of racialized backgrounds.

ADVERTISEMENT

Unfortunately, the coronavirus lockdowns didn’t lead to greater gender equality that some people expected to see.

“Women, even those in professional and managerial jobs, continue to take on a second shift (caring for family) after the first shift at the office. We continue to subscribe to gender roles, even in many egalitarian societies,” he said, adding that this is one of the reasons for the “persistent pay gap and an underrepresentation of women in senior management and higher-paying jobs.”

He added that men’s higher-paying careers are prioritized over women’s (seen as “supplemental income”) during lockdowns. “Women reorganize their work around family demands, men often do not. Unequal division of labor is exacerbated when a family could no longer access paid help (COVID restrictions), and women will have to pick up the slack.”

Why do you think the wage gap between men and women exists, dear Pandas? Were you surprised that the medical field isn’t immune to the gender wage gap? What do you think could be done to realistically reduce income inequality in medicine in other areas? Were you ever a victim of sexism at the workplace when it came to your wage? We’d love to hear your thoughts on everything.

ADVERTISEMENT

42Kviews

Share on Facebook
Jonas Grinevičius

Jonas Grinevičius

Author, BoredPanda staff

Read more »

Storytelling, journalism, and art are a core part of who I am. I've been writing and drawing ever since I could walk—there is nothing else I'd rather do. My formal education, however, is focused on politics, philosophy, and economics because I've always been curious about the gap between the ideal and the real. At work, I'm a Senior Writer and I cover a broad range of topics that I'm passionate about: from psychology and changes in work culture to healthy living, relationships, and design. In my spare time, I'm an avid hiker and reader, enjoy writing short stories, and love to doodle. I thrive when I'm outdoors, going on small adventures in nature. However, you can also find me enjoying a big mug of coffee with a good book (or ten) and entertaining friends with fantasy tabletop games and sci-fi movies.

Read less »
Jonas Grinevičius

Jonas Grinevičius

Author, BoredPanda staff

Storytelling, journalism, and art are a core part of who I am. I've been writing and drawing ever since I could walk—there is nothing else I'd rather do. My formal education, however, is focused on politics, philosophy, and economics because I've always been curious about the gap between the ideal and the real. At work, I'm a Senior Writer and I cover a broad range of topics that I'm passionate about: from psychology and changes in work culture to healthy living, relationships, and design. In my spare time, I'm an avid hiker and reader, enjoy writing short stories, and love to doodle. I thrive when I'm outdoors, going on small adventures in nature. However, you can also find me enjoying a big mug of coffee with a good book (or ten) and entertaining friends with fantasy tabletop games and sci-fi movies.

Austėja Akavickaitė

Austėja Akavickaitė

Author, Community member

Read more »

Austėja is a Photo Editor at Bored Panda with a BA in Photography.

Read less »

Austėja Akavickaitė

Austėja Akavickaitė

Author, Community member

Austėja is a Photo Editor at Bored Panda with a BA in Photography.

What do you think ?
Add photo comments
POST
Wendillon
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is one other career-related issue we need equality on: maternity leave. I think men should be entitled to take paternity leave for an equal duration of time. Sure his body doesn't need to recover from pregnancy like the mother's, but he's going to be losing sleep, taking care of an infant and supporting his wife too. It'd be easier for the whole family.

Hans
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Norway, you can split up most of the leave time as you wish (a bit is reserved for the mom only, and a smaller bit for the dad only). And up to a quite decent salary, you will receive 100% payment during that time! Oh, and did I mention they do not distinguish between male-female and same sex couples?

Load More Replies...
Lily Mac
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do some men have such a hard time accepting that it's more difficult for women to make equal money?

Ozacoter
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because they are entitled manbabies that throw tantrums if you tell them that other people face more difficulties than them.

Load More Replies...
John Montgomery
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So did this convince any of her male colleagues? I hope so, but I'd guess not. It seems like a lot of people who deny the pay gap is real can't actually be convinced with any amount of evidence. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Load More Comments
Wendillon
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is one other career-related issue we need equality on: maternity leave. I think men should be entitled to take paternity leave for an equal duration of time. Sure his body doesn't need to recover from pregnancy like the mother's, but he's going to be losing sleep, taking care of an infant and supporting his wife too. It'd be easier for the whole family.

Hans
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Norway, you can split up most of the leave time as you wish (a bit is reserved for the mom only, and a smaller bit for the dad only). And up to a quite decent salary, you will receive 100% payment during that time! Oh, and did I mention they do not distinguish between male-female and same sex couples?

Load More Replies...
Lily Mac
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do some men have such a hard time accepting that it's more difficult for women to make equal money?

Ozacoter
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because they are entitled manbabies that throw tantrums if you tell them that other people face more difficulties than them.

Load More Replies...
John Montgomery
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So did this convince any of her male colleagues? I hope so, but I'd guess not. It seems like a lot of people who deny the pay gap is real can't actually be convinced with any amount of evidence. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Load More Comments
You May Like
Related on Bored Panda
Related on Bored Panda
Trending on Bored Panda
Also on Bored Panda