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Vegetarian Mom Fears Family Will Feed Baby Meat Behind Her Back, Seeks Perspective Online
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Vegetarian Mom Fears Family Will Feed Baby Meat Behind Her Back, Seeks Perspective Online

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Vegetarianism is no longer for adults only; kids want to do it too! 5% of adults in the U.S. identify themselves as vegetarian or vegan, with 5% of children saying they’re vegetarian and 2% saying they’re vegan. People get into heated debates over whether a no-meat diet gives children all the nutrients they need.

And this mother’s family worries as well. Recently, one mom asked others for advice on how to deal with family members who disagree with her vegetarian lifestyle. She decided not to feed her baby any meat but worried the in-laws might do so behind her back.

To know whether vegetarian diets are suitable for infants and children, Bored Panda reached out to specialist pediatric dietitian Lucy Upton. She told us all about what parents who want to skip the meat in their baby’s diet should know.

More info: The Children’s Dietitian | Lucy Upton

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    This vegetarian mother decided not to feed her baby meat but faced backlash from her family

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    That’s why she sought advice online, asking others whether her decision was so unreasonable

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    A vegetarian diet can be perfectly suitable for infants if parents pay close attention to the nutrients the baby is getting

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    The family in this story worries that without meat the 8-month-old might not be getting enough of the nutrients he needs to grow into a healthy child. However, most specialists say that it’s completely reasonable to feed your baby a vegetarian diet as long as you monitor their protein intake.

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    In 2009, the American Dietetic Association concluded that a well-planned vegetarian or vegan diet is suitable at any stage of life. They claimed it’s safe for pregnant women and nursing mothers as well as children and babies.

    Specialist pediatric dietitian Lucy Upton tells Bored Panda that feeding a baby a vegetarian diet is completely doable. “A well-planned vegetarian diet can absolutely provide all the nutrition a baby needs,” she told us. “It is encouraged that parents pay close attention to nutrients like:

    • fat, which can be found in foods like oils, dairy, nuts/seeds, avocado;
    • iron, which can be found in beans, pulses (legumes), tofu, fortified cereals, nuts and seeds and eggs;
    • B12, from dairy, eggs, and fortified foods like cereals.

    And, of course, overall dietary variety,” Upton added.

    Generally speaking, there’s no need to panic when it comes to a baby having no meat in their diet. “Despite common worries, protein intake is rarely a concern for vegetarian babies as it can be found in a wide number of foods, from tofu to beans, lentils, eggs, dairy, and even whole grains,” Upton explained to Bored Panda.

    Vegetarian children might grow up more empathetic and sensitive to others and the world around them

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    People choose to go vegetarian or vegan for different reasons. In a 2023 YouGov poll, 55% of Americans said they don’t eat meat because they want to live a healthier lifestyle. 38% said they are vegetarian or vegan based on personal preference, 31% cited food safety concerns, 30% said it helps them watch their weight, and 39% do it because of moral reasons.

    The mother in this story didn’t explain her reasoning for going vegetarian, but she also stressed how she wouldn’t object if her son wanted to eat meat when he grew older. Surprisingly, adopting a vegetarian diet from an early age can have some positive benefits for children in the long run.

    Child psychotherapist Ryan Lowe explained to The Independent how not eating meat can make children more empathetic. “It builds empathy and sensitivity to others and a very different way of looking at the world, and it creates a level of being able to think about and bear pain,” she explained. “I think this is an important part of bringing up a well-adjusted and empathetic human being.”

    However, she recommends implementing the changes in diet early on. If parents decide to suddenly make their children go vegan or vegetarian in adolescence, that can have a negative impact on the children. “Parents need to be careful not to introduce any anxieties or shame around food along with the change in the diet,” Lowe said.

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    The mom clarified that if the kid wants to eat meat later in life, she’s totally cool with it, just not as long as she’s controlling his diet

    The reactions from people varied: some believed it’s nobody else’s business what the baby eats, and others saw red flags in the mom’s philosophy

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    Kornelija Viečaitė

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    Hi there, fellow pandas! As a person (over)educated both in social sciences and literature, I'm most interested in how we connect and behave online (and sometimes in real life too.) The human experience is weird, so I try my best to put its peculiarities in writing. As a person who grew up chronically online, I now try to marry two sides of myself: the one who knows too much about MySpace, and the one who can't settle and needs to see every corner of the world.

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    Kornelija Viečaitė

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    Hi there, fellow pandas! As a person (over)educated both in social sciences and literature, I'm most interested in how we connect and behave online (and sometimes in real life too.) The human experience is weird, so I try my best to put its peculiarities in writing. As a person who grew up chronically online, I now try to marry two sides of myself: the one who knows too much about MySpace, and the one who can't settle and needs to see every corner of the world.

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    Gabija is a photo editor at Bored Panda. Before joining the team, she achieved a Professional Bachelor degree in Photography and has been working as a freelance photographer since. She also has a special place in her heart for film photography, movies and nature.

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    NotTodaySatan!!
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. I despise moms who behave as though they got pregnant and had THEIR baby, rather than both parents having a baby. In the story she says dad is in agreement as far as feeding baby vegetarian for now. But she also says dad eats meat when he isn't at home. She said she would force being vegetarian on the son, and when he's older, he can choose. Yet if dad (or anyone else) gave baby a nibble of meat outside of the home at this point, she would be angry. So if dad and baby are out together and dad decided to stop for a burger, he apparently isn't allowed to give him a nibble. Sounds like mom isn't adhering to what she is saying. Dad should be able to make choices for THEIR son as well.

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    The Doom Song
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think kids should try everything. Meat, veg, fish, fruit, all of it. My 1 year old nephew is at that age where he wants to try everything, and I think that's fantastic. I think if you force a diet on kids, you end up with super picky eaters that never want to try anything new. But having said that as long as bubs is happy and healthy, then I guess it doesn't really matter what everyone else thinks rigbt

    Marnie
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would be really concerned when OP says in answer to nutrition, "I know what makes me feel good." Babies need a specific amount of fat and cholesterol to have proper brain and sexual development. And where is her husband in this? He's not a vegetarian, but her views trumps his??!! That's not right. Humans are naturally omnivores. We need a certain amount of meat and compensating for not having that requires more than just knowing what feels good.

    Royal Stray
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While we can technically substitute meat for other things, and people today do eat more meat than we have to you need to eat quite a bit more of other products to get the results that meat and fish would give you. And it's not exactly recommended to start feeding the baby pills of supplements instead of just giving him some fish and meat every now and again. OP sounds controlling and would rather do what she feels good doing than what's actually the best for the baby.

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    Full of Giggles
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My only concern would be how meat will affect the child’s bowels the first few time he tried it. People tend to get sick from meat if they haven’t eaten it years. I assume meat would have the same effect on 4-5 year olds who’ve never had meat. If the kid does get sick, it may persuade him to never eat again. It wouldn’t be a fair opinion.

    n75mk9nk2n
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The biggest problem here is that Mom is making the decision unilaterally, and not allowing other family members to follow her same logic. "I will have the final say on this matter"... yeah, that's a severe red flag. Mom can feed her child anything she wants... under her own roof. But if she wants people to respect that decision, she needs to have the mutual respect for others to do the same. This is especially cruel to the dad, as mom is basically saying she doesn't care about him, his opinions, or his thoughts. It's his child too.

    Nikole
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the husband is fine with it, who gives a shít what the extended family members think? My nephews are 3 and 6 and are vegetarians like their parents. They can also decide for themselves when they’re older.

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    Royal Stray
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you go with a vegetarian or vegan diet for too long (if you started as a baby) you can actually get sick from eating meat as your body never got used to it. Also why on earth does the mom think she is the only one with a say, what about her husband? It's his child as well. Also a 3-4 year old are very much old enough to know what they want to eat.

    RP
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you're body needs to get used to it like that...maybe that's a good sign to consume in moderation and that it's not as necessary as we think. My kid got curious about it around 4. That doesn't mean that they are old enough to truly understand the implications of it. They know that animals have to die to make meat (at least, they should!) but they might not have a great concept of death or hopefully won't have a good concept of pain and suffering let alone large scale environmental factors. I told my kid that I don't think that's fair to kill an animal when I can just eat something else and that they should really think about whether it's ok for them and if it is, they can try some of their friends' food but that I was not cooking it in the house or buying it. I think that at that age, they can make that choice at that level of understanding. But that doesn't trump what you're willing to support with your money and time.

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    greenideas
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My cousin's wife was on a health food kick and only fed her sons bland, boiled food, no sweets (except 2 squares of very dark chocolate per day), goat's milk, etc. These little boys were so skinny and pale, I felt sorry for them. I understand avoiding artificial addiditives in food, but don't put your kids on any extreme diets, unless it's for diagnosed health issues.

    LB
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed, but I don't think vegetarianism or pescetarianism is extreme

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    OrangeStripey Hat
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The phrase "while I'm in control of this decision" really rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe it is just how it's phrased, I'm not sure. You are one of two parents, madam, the 'control' is not yours.

    similarly
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If a person wants to be vegetarian or vegan, I really don't care. It's none of my business. However, one should be aware that unless one lives on an island in a grass house, wearing a grass skirt, in a modern society, one is never really "animal free". Virtually everything has animal products in it. Plastic, synthetic rubber, virtually every kind of paint or varnish or stain, almost any kind of electronic appliance, almost every kind of glue or adhesive or any product that includes an adhesive strip: they all include animal products, typically animal blood, and sometimes bonemeal. Lots of foods contain gelatin, the stuff between bones. Likewise, animal products are in lots of things you wouldn't expect. "Faux fur" could be polyester, but could also be wool. "Faux fox", "faux mink", etc. are sometimes still animal fur, just not fox or mink, and could be anything from cat, to rat, to dog. So, go meat free in your diet: just be aware you're never very far from an animal product

    RP
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's absolutely true. One of the reasons I am so grateful that I was raised vegetarian in terms of diet is that going without meat is not a struggle for me. It's one small good thing that doesn't cost me a bunch of energy. Doing without dairy or without other animal products is so much harder. But at least I can reduce something. Not everything has to always be an extreme. Some things we can make feel less extreme for our children

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    Falafal salad
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Been veggie since I was 12 and brought my daughter up on a veggie diet. She was always the tallest in her class and a top student so I just find the anti veggie comments bizarre. It’s very easy to eat well and stay healthy as a vegetarian with a varied diet.

    Tamra
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You'll find a lot of anti-veggie sentiment on this site, for whatever reason. We were a veggie family when my son was born, and that's what he grew up on. I did consult his pediatrician, and we talked about his diet at each well visit. She had no problems with it, and encouraged it.

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    zatrisha
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I actually think this is a very good idea as long as the child gets a healthy and balanced diet. If the child is old enough to understand the moral aspect of meat, they can still decide whether they want to eat animals. I wish more parents treated it this way, because many people only eat meat out of habit because they don't know any other way and the switch to vegetarian is too uncomfortable for them. It would be better for everyone from a moral and economic perspective.

    Kathy
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's quite possible to be healthy on a vegetarian diet, as I have been for 50+ years. I grew up eating meat every day, so when I became vegetarian, my family was not happy about it. My Dad, who was a doctor, believed meat was essential. After about three years, they realized I was the healthiest one in my family (all in pretty good health, though) and got off my case. I never ate fake meat. I don't eat fake anything. And I don't eat fast food. I'm way healthier than most people my age. No chronic diseases. For me, it wasn't even a decision. One day, I suddenly saw the meat on my plate as the rotting corpse of a poor, dead animal and not food. Instantaneous and permanent. As it wasn't intellectual, I never struggled with it or missed meat.

    Kathy
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in South Asia, where a significant percentage of the population is vegetarian from infancy. It is perfectly possible to bring up a healthy vegetarian baby. The child will eventually decide whether or not they want to continue being vegetarian. It's so strange that people get really upset about it.

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    Petra Peitsch
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Till you are not replace meat with over.proicessed-vegetarian and vegan opportunities, I'd say is okay. Vegetarian lifestyle is okay. I'm omnivore,I like meat, but weekly 3-4 days I'm eating vegetarian dishes, because, those are what I feel to have. Vegan, on the other hand .... a big NO. As an adult, sometimes, I'm making vegan dishes for myself, but just because I want them. As an enforced diet, I repeat, a big NO!

    Multa Nocte
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Interesting stats from above that make no sense: "People choose to go vegetarian or vegan for different reasons. In a 2023 YouGov poll, 55% of Americans said they don’t eat meat because they want to live a healthier lifestyle. 38% said they are vegetarian or vegan based on personal preference, 31% cited food safety concerns, 30% said it helps them watch their weight, and 39% do it because of moral reasons."

    Trista JW
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a self-entitled fvcking b!tch. She has no right to force vegetarianism on this baby, nor should anyone be suggesting bullsh!t like iron drops and other supplements for a fvcking baby (like what some people told her to use.) Babies and children need to have all food in their diet, including dairy, meat, fish, sugar, nuts, oils, starches, ALL of it. Depriving a baby (and any kid) of any kind of food can royally fvck them up, espeically if the mother does give pills and vitamin oils to "make up for" what the kid's not allowed to have. What she's doing is no different than forcing a cat to live on a vegetarian diet.

    iseefractals
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But you're not the only parent are you? Which is the point, YOU "as a mother" are making a unilateral decision which no one else agrees with, and then covering it by saying "well when he's older he can make that choice for himself.....but not under my roof!" What does "older" mean? When he can vocalize the desire? Puberty? Or ya know, "not living under your roof" anymore? If your husband disagrees, and likely does being that he's not a vegetarian....than you, are an a*****e.....and there is all kinds of examples of virulent vegans/vegetarians forcing their diets on infants only to have them end up malnourished...so have you consulted a nutritionist? Or are you just assuming that you know best? Like the pet owners who insist that kitties and doggo's can be vegetarians too! Yours is not the only opinion that matters, and if think that's how it should work go be a single mom.

    TruthoftheHeart
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No parents should get to decide their child is going to be a vegan or vegetarian, you can seriously mess up someone's body forever by not giving them the proper vitamins and nutrients as they grow as a child. No child should have to run the risk of weak bones or other things all through their life because their parents wouldn't feed them properly as a child

    RP
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You don't get weak bones from a vegetarian diet. It's really fine. I'd be more worried about the kids being raised on McDonalds and coke

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    Kinshenewa
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    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I accidentally read it as 'vegan' at the beginning and got pissed on the baby's behalf. But veggie is fine

    clearh2oqueen
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm glad I didn't write this post because for the most part I see a lot of judgment and not too much leeway here..it just surprises me, that's all. I happen to be a lifelong vegetarian because I rejected meat as a baby. My parents tried and gave up. I married a Rasta who was by design, vegan, even though that wasn't a word back then. We raised our twins vegetarian. We are all vegan now. There are so many different ways of being. Kind is a good one.

    iseefractals
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're missing the point. If both parents were in agreement, yeah fine, do what you want. But they're not, nor is anyone else in the family. That's the problem.

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    Charl Marx
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Me and my husband are vegetarian, also raising our daughter vegetarian too. I've been veggie since birth, and him for nearly 25 years. Daughter is now nearly 8 and independently checks food for the "V' label or to see if contains gelatine. She has school dinners every day, and especially enjoys their "meat free Monday" when she gets a choice between two veggie meals instead of just one. We've always said when she reaches secondary school (age 11) she can choose what she wants to eat outside of the house but we won't provide meat at home. She has no plans whatsoever at the moment but we'll see how that goes. People always know what she can eat at parties, she's not a fussy eater, and she's happy, healthy and academic, no fuss here.

    A S Mora
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If mum is a seasoned vegetarian at this point I would assume she knows how to meet her nutritional requirements and is getting input from Junior's pediatricians. Family is being nosey and is trying to instigate a power struggle where one need not exist. Trust the mother to take care of a child and quit undermining her authority to parent a literal baby.

    Traveling Lady Railfan
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unless there is a proven food sensitivity/allergen/inability of your body digest certain protein / missing enzymes etc (a valid medical reason) then going overboard with the food control and teaching kids from the time that they're little, it just creates a lifelong problem with food. You're setting them up for failure, and eating disorders, and stress, and worse. Never a bad idea to cut back on artificial colors and weird ingredients, and sensible choices, but everything in moderation.

    Clara Stallworth
    Community Member
    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As long as the baby is getting the appropriate nutrients for his growth and development, then OP can encourage him to become a vegetarian. However, what if the child wants to sample meat, such as a slice of bacon or a chicken nugget/strip? Guess what, it's not the end of the world! He may like it, or he may not, and that's fine, too! Just remember, OP, that your son is also your HUSBAND'S son, so he has as much say in the matter as you do!

    L Coffeen
    Community Member
    5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think she has her thinking a bit backwards. Her son should be allowed to be introduced to meat and when he's old enough can decide if he wants to be vegetarian or not. At least IMO. Though as long as her little one his getting all the nutrients he needs I don't really see any issue with a veggie diet.

    Ruth Watry
    Community Member
    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Since his stomach is not used to meat, if family feeds him meat, it could make him very ill

    Somebodys grandmother
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Me, my father, my daughter, my grandchild have been vegetarians as kids. We have all disliked meat in our childhood... It is a healthy diet and so good for the planet. We don't need meat... we need proteins, not Meat...

    LilDumpling
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think this is a discussion between the parents and pediatrician. Maybe a pediatric nutritionist as well. Make the decision based on scientific evidence.

    DC
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's lovely how people trying to push their beliefs on the mother are so worried about hers being pushed on the child. Let's grow up, even if that only is possible for the moment: every parent that is an omnivore pushes this habit (or, for the sake of the argument, we can consider this a belief, although it hardly ever is), and every parent that is a vegetarian, a vegan, a christian, a muslim, a hindu, ... in that very same sense pushes their belief onto their child. It's only an issue if it's vegetarians or further, and that makes the whole bunch hypocrites. They are so worried about beliefs being pushed onto a child ... usually, that is called parenting, and as long as it doesn't impose a danger on a child, which a vegetarian diet per so does not, it's no more of an issue of theirs than it is that children are brought up to believe in certain gods, which, on the other hand, actually can cause harm, not as a side effect including imcompetence, but because of the very nature of itself.

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This mom has some serious issues... her hypocritical smug attitude was just too much.

    Jalunney
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a vegetarian for 10 odd years and every Christmas my mother made stuffing with pork in it. It was very tasty but they all had a good laugh when I found out it was meat. They only told me when I stopped being a veggie due to health reasons and went back to meat. Unfortunately family or not some people are twattish.

    Lena Flising
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Does she have a problem with breastfeeding? If she doesn't want to feed him meat, one way might have been to keep breastfeeding longer, and just give him tastings of different fruits and veggies. But if breastfeeding doesn't work for her and son, that's it. If the child never eats meat products, he will be as if he was "allergic" to meat, and it would be dangerous if others fed him meat. Sounds like she thinks she's the owner of the kid, but the dad is just as much in charge of the kid as she is. If he thinks meat is fine, maybe HE can feed the kid meat and SHE can feed him veggies?

    moggie63
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the child can have meat but not yet because they can't make that decision. What you mean is they can't have meat because you say so.

    GeorBlu
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I suspect your parents indeed all, parents tell their children there are some things they can't eat.

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    Earonn -
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean, if the baby is healthy and can choose later, what's the issue? She says she is in agreement with DH about this decision, so he's not 'suppressed' either. Are we so crazy on meat that not getting it is a horror? If anything, I pity that child if it's US American, because apparently it won't be able to roam the neighbourhood before it's 18 and will have to learn how to deal with gunshot wounds at school...

    Atom Bohr
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm so tired of how people who eat meat but have no meaningful understanding of nutrition start acting like they're nutritionists simply because they hear someone doesn't eat meat. It sounds like OOP put months of thought into this and her family needs to mind their own business

    Mark Childers
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been a vegetarian (not vegan, like this woman) for 36 years. It is a very healthy diet. This woman has nothing to apologize for, but her family sure needs to apologize to her for their abuse.

    R Dennis
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My stepdaughter has a hundred food plan for her kids when they start on solid food and I take it as a challenge! I grew up with the "you should try foods once, twice, three times before you decide you don't like it. Then give it a try every 5-10 years." I hated honey until I was in my 30s and capers until my 40s... I find it odd that OP is enforcing her choice, but refuses to even let the father have any say. Ngl, I dislike that type of egotism... I would probably be feeding my kid chicken nuggets and bacon cheeseburgers behind her back - that type of dynamic would be bad for all concerned.

    Bigmomma
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Op has said she is the parent she gets to decide what the baby eats now until baby can decide but what about dad doesn't he get a say what baby eats now if he has baby on his own is he OK to feed baby meat so baby can get used to taste and texture of these im not saying mum is wrong I'm asking ab

    Jolene Tollett
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I eat meat but my body type actually runs better on it, I’ve tried. Nutrition experts all agree that eating things grown by the earth is the healthiest nutrition. It is also better for the planet. Ensure balanced nutrition and let him try meats when he expresses interest. Speak frequently about nutrition, values and Earth care. Your child will be healthy and can make an informed decision around age 5. He may choose to eat meat, but many children or young g adults go back to vegetarian after experiencing meat for a while.

    Brenda Spagnola-Wilson
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Check with your pedestrian and get some information from them to show. My only concern would be the chance that if not exposed to eating meat while younger could it cause digestive problems for him when he is old enough to decide? My cousin is vegetarian but allowed his children small amounts of meat as his oldest had major digestive issues when he was finally allowed to try it ( I think he was 8-9?). No problem with the other kids who had it at a younger age. Could be just him, but something to ask about. If I didn't adore ham, I could be a vegetarian. Getting the proper nutrients isn't that difficult

    RP
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was raised veggie as were several generations before me in my family. I am raising my child vegetarian as well. 'Old enough to choose'is when my child is capable and willing to slaughter or hunt their first animal. If they know how most animals are farmed for processed meats and decide that is ok for them, then they are free to try some from their friends or buy with pocket money but I want them to have to make that conscious decision. Even if you decide to eat meat later, it's easier to add to a solid vegetarian diet in moderation than to go through all the fuss of trying to find (the often crappy) substitutes because you're so used to having it as the backbone of every meal (pun intended). Yes, hoping that they won't develop a taste for it is fine. It's easier to make the choice to not eat animals if you don't like the taste. And if you don't like the taste, you haven't missed out on anything or can develop that later. There are lots of foods I learned to appreciate later in life

    Rachel Pelz
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Her idea about childcare sounds weird to me. If you tell them he is vegetarian, there will be no way they allow her precious (lifestyle) veggie kid meat which they are obliged to make sure teligion-based veggie will not eat. The basic idea of baby-led weaning can be applied maybe not at 8 months but clearly before 4 years: let the baby/toddler eat the food other people at the table eat, let them try. Including let them try meat at granny's house if they indicate. Btw what is she going to tell the kid as to why it is not allowed to eat meat but daddy is (when he's out)? But then, first baby, moms need to grow as well (speaking from experience).

    DC
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, let me get this straight: Passing down a religion including restrictions in foods that may include to not eat meat, specific meat, any animal product is fine and to be adhered to, even including magic spells like the Lord's Prayer and such, but passing down a secular set of beliefs and ethics that include not to kill anything needlessly, which translates to vegetarian at the very least, is a problem because ... because what?

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    Ivona
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Meat protein is the best protein. Meat's great for a developing body and brain. OP is harming her child by not feeding him meat.

    Breadcrumb.
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think this conversation would have came up before kids..but because most pregnancies are not planned, maybe not. Its unfortunate to have this conversation now..so why does it even matter waiting another 4 years and let the kid decide between tofu or chicken nuggets.

    nm (he/him)
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The teeth and digestive system of us humans prove that we are omnivorous. Noone is allowed to enforce his/her/its stupidness on a child and put in danger it's health or life. The state should revoke her parental rights.

    GeorBlu
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having the dentition for an omnivorous diet is not proof that one must eat meat. At best it's evidence that eating both meat and plants is viable.

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    Doofnuts
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No meat ultimately means weak. Sorry, just the facts mam. We are Omnivores. Without a full diet we don't develop properly. Sorry about your kids luck.

    somnomania (she/her, queer)
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i'm on your side but it IS possible to get the correct proteins and amino acids from a vegetarian diet, it just has to be monitored closely because no single component provides all the combined types of amino acids.

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    NotTodaySatan!!
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. I despise moms who behave as though they got pregnant and had THEIR baby, rather than both parents having a baby. In the story she says dad is in agreement as far as feeding baby vegetarian for now. But she also says dad eats meat when he isn't at home. She said she would force being vegetarian on the son, and when he's older, he can choose. Yet if dad (or anyone else) gave baby a nibble of meat outside of the home at this point, she would be angry. So if dad and baby are out together and dad decided to stop for a burger, he apparently isn't allowed to give him a nibble. Sounds like mom isn't adhering to what she is saying. Dad should be able to make choices for THEIR son as well.

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    The Doom Song
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think kids should try everything. Meat, veg, fish, fruit, all of it. My 1 year old nephew is at that age where he wants to try everything, and I think that's fantastic. I think if you force a diet on kids, you end up with super picky eaters that never want to try anything new. But having said that as long as bubs is happy and healthy, then I guess it doesn't really matter what everyone else thinks rigbt

    Marnie
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would be really concerned when OP says in answer to nutrition, "I know what makes me feel good." Babies need a specific amount of fat and cholesterol to have proper brain and sexual development. And where is her husband in this? He's not a vegetarian, but her views trumps his??!! That's not right. Humans are naturally omnivores. We need a certain amount of meat and compensating for not having that requires more than just knowing what feels good.

    Royal Stray
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While we can technically substitute meat for other things, and people today do eat more meat than we have to you need to eat quite a bit more of other products to get the results that meat and fish would give you. And it's not exactly recommended to start feeding the baby pills of supplements instead of just giving him some fish and meat every now and again. OP sounds controlling and would rather do what she feels good doing than what's actually the best for the baby.

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    Full of Giggles
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My only concern would be how meat will affect the child’s bowels the first few time he tried it. People tend to get sick from meat if they haven’t eaten it years. I assume meat would have the same effect on 4-5 year olds who’ve never had meat. If the kid does get sick, it may persuade him to never eat again. It wouldn’t be a fair opinion.

    n75mk9nk2n
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The biggest problem here is that Mom is making the decision unilaterally, and not allowing other family members to follow her same logic. "I will have the final say on this matter"... yeah, that's a severe red flag. Mom can feed her child anything she wants... under her own roof. But if she wants people to respect that decision, she needs to have the mutual respect for others to do the same. This is especially cruel to the dad, as mom is basically saying she doesn't care about him, his opinions, or his thoughts. It's his child too.

    Nikole
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the husband is fine with it, who gives a shít what the extended family members think? My nephews are 3 and 6 and are vegetarians like their parents. They can also decide for themselves when they’re older.

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    Royal Stray
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you go with a vegetarian or vegan diet for too long (if you started as a baby) you can actually get sick from eating meat as your body never got used to it. Also why on earth does the mom think she is the only one with a say, what about her husband? It's his child as well. Also a 3-4 year old are very much old enough to know what they want to eat.

    RP
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you're body needs to get used to it like that...maybe that's a good sign to consume in moderation and that it's not as necessary as we think. My kid got curious about it around 4. That doesn't mean that they are old enough to truly understand the implications of it. They know that animals have to die to make meat (at least, they should!) but they might not have a great concept of death or hopefully won't have a good concept of pain and suffering let alone large scale environmental factors. I told my kid that I don't think that's fair to kill an animal when I can just eat something else and that they should really think about whether it's ok for them and if it is, they can try some of their friends' food but that I was not cooking it in the house or buying it. I think that at that age, they can make that choice at that level of understanding. But that doesn't trump what you're willing to support with your money and time.

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    greenideas
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My cousin's wife was on a health food kick and only fed her sons bland, boiled food, no sweets (except 2 squares of very dark chocolate per day), goat's milk, etc. These little boys were so skinny and pale, I felt sorry for them. I understand avoiding artificial addiditives in food, but don't put your kids on any extreme diets, unless it's for diagnosed health issues.

    LB
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed, but I don't think vegetarianism or pescetarianism is extreme

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    OrangeStripey Hat
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The phrase "while I'm in control of this decision" really rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe it is just how it's phrased, I'm not sure. You are one of two parents, madam, the 'control' is not yours.

    similarly
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If a person wants to be vegetarian or vegan, I really don't care. It's none of my business. However, one should be aware that unless one lives on an island in a grass house, wearing a grass skirt, in a modern society, one is never really "animal free". Virtually everything has animal products in it. Plastic, synthetic rubber, virtually every kind of paint or varnish or stain, almost any kind of electronic appliance, almost every kind of glue or adhesive or any product that includes an adhesive strip: they all include animal products, typically animal blood, and sometimes bonemeal. Lots of foods contain gelatin, the stuff between bones. Likewise, animal products are in lots of things you wouldn't expect. "Faux fur" could be polyester, but could also be wool. "Faux fox", "faux mink", etc. are sometimes still animal fur, just not fox or mink, and could be anything from cat, to rat, to dog. So, go meat free in your diet: just be aware you're never very far from an animal product

    RP
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's absolutely true. One of the reasons I am so grateful that I was raised vegetarian in terms of diet is that going without meat is not a struggle for me. It's one small good thing that doesn't cost me a bunch of energy. Doing without dairy or without other animal products is so much harder. But at least I can reduce something. Not everything has to always be an extreme. Some things we can make feel less extreme for our children

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    Falafal salad
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Been veggie since I was 12 and brought my daughter up on a veggie diet. She was always the tallest in her class and a top student so I just find the anti veggie comments bizarre. It’s very easy to eat well and stay healthy as a vegetarian with a varied diet.

    Tamra
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You'll find a lot of anti-veggie sentiment on this site, for whatever reason. We were a veggie family when my son was born, and that's what he grew up on. I did consult his pediatrician, and we talked about his diet at each well visit. She had no problems with it, and encouraged it.

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    zatrisha
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I actually think this is a very good idea as long as the child gets a healthy and balanced diet. If the child is old enough to understand the moral aspect of meat, they can still decide whether they want to eat animals. I wish more parents treated it this way, because many people only eat meat out of habit because they don't know any other way and the switch to vegetarian is too uncomfortable for them. It would be better for everyone from a moral and economic perspective.

    Kathy
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's quite possible to be healthy on a vegetarian diet, as I have been for 50+ years. I grew up eating meat every day, so when I became vegetarian, my family was not happy about it. My Dad, who was a doctor, believed meat was essential. After about three years, they realized I was the healthiest one in my family (all in pretty good health, though) and got off my case. I never ate fake meat. I don't eat fake anything. And I don't eat fast food. I'm way healthier than most people my age. No chronic diseases. For me, it wasn't even a decision. One day, I suddenly saw the meat on my plate as the rotting corpse of a poor, dead animal and not food. Instantaneous and permanent. As it wasn't intellectual, I never struggled with it or missed meat.

    Kathy
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in South Asia, where a significant percentage of the population is vegetarian from infancy. It is perfectly possible to bring up a healthy vegetarian baby. The child will eventually decide whether or not they want to continue being vegetarian. It's so strange that people get really upset about it.

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    Petra Peitsch
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Till you are not replace meat with over.proicessed-vegetarian and vegan opportunities, I'd say is okay. Vegetarian lifestyle is okay. I'm omnivore,I like meat, but weekly 3-4 days I'm eating vegetarian dishes, because, those are what I feel to have. Vegan, on the other hand .... a big NO. As an adult, sometimes, I'm making vegan dishes for myself, but just because I want them. As an enforced diet, I repeat, a big NO!

    Multa Nocte
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Interesting stats from above that make no sense: "People choose to go vegetarian or vegan for different reasons. In a 2023 YouGov poll, 55% of Americans said they don’t eat meat because they want to live a healthier lifestyle. 38% said they are vegetarian or vegan based on personal preference, 31% cited food safety concerns, 30% said it helps them watch their weight, and 39% do it because of moral reasons."

    Trista JW
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a self-entitled fvcking b!tch. She has no right to force vegetarianism on this baby, nor should anyone be suggesting bullsh!t like iron drops and other supplements for a fvcking baby (like what some people told her to use.) Babies and children need to have all food in their diet, including dairy, meat, fish, sugar, nuts, oils, starches, ALL of it. Depriving a baby (and any kid) of any kind of food can royally fvck them up, espeically if the mother does give pills and vitamin oils to "make up for" what the kid's not allowed to have. What she's doing is no different than forcing a cat to live on a vegetarian diet.

    iseefractals
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But you're not the only parent are you? Which is the point, YOU "as a mother" are making a unilateral decision which no one else agrees with, and then covering it by saying "well when he's older he can make that choice for himself.....but not under my roof!" What does "older" mean? When he can vocalize the desire? Puberty? Or ya know, "not living under your roof" anymore? If your husband disagrees, and likely does being that he's not a vegetarian....than you, are an a*****e.....and there is all kinds of examples of virulent vegans/vegetarians forcing their diets on infants only to have them end up malnourished...so have you consulted a nutritionist? Or are you just assuming that you know best? Like the pet owners who insist that kitties and doggo's can be vegetarians too! Yours is not the only opinion that matters, and if think that's how it should work go be a single mom.

    TruthoftheHeart
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No parents should get to decide their child is going to be a vegan or vegetarian, you can seriously mess up someone's body forever by not giving them the proper vitamins and nutrients as they grow as a child. No child should have to run the risk of weak bones or other things all through their life because their parents wouldn't feed them properly as a child

    RP
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You don't get weak bones from a vegetarian diet. It's really fine. I'd be more worried about the kids being raised on McDonalds and coke

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    Kinshenewa
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    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I accidentally read it as 'vegan' at the beginning and got pissed on the baby's behalf. But veggie is fine

    clearh2oqueen
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm glad I didn't write this post because for the most part I see a lot of judgment and not too much leeway here..it just surprises me, that's all. I happen to be a lifelong vegetarian because I rejected meat as a baby. My parents tried and gave up. I married a Rasta who was by design, vegan, even though that wasn't a word back then. We raised our twins vegetarian. We are all vegan now. There are so many different ways of being. Kind is a good one.

    iseefractals
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're missing the point. If both parents were in agreement, yeah fine, do what you want. But they're not, nor is anyone else in the family. That's the problem.

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    Charl Marx
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Me and my husband are vegetarian, also raising our daughter vegetarian too. I've been veggie since birth, and him for nearly 25 years. Daughter is now nearly 8 and independently checks food for the "V' label or to see if contains gelatine. She has school dinners every day, and especially enjoys their "meat free Monday" when she gets a choice between two veggie meals instead of just one. We've always said when she reaches secondary school (age 11) she can choose what she wants to eat outside of the house but we won't provide meat at home. She has no plans whatsoever at the moment but we'll see how that goes. People always know what she can eat at parties, she's not a fussy eater, and she's happy, healthy and academic, no fuss here.

    A S Mora
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If mum is a seasoned vegetarian at this point I would assume she knows how to meet her nutritional requirements and is getting input from Junior's pediatricians. Family is being nosey and is trying to instigate a power struggle where one need not exist. Trust the mother to take care of a child and quit undermining her authority to parent a literal baby.

    Traveling Lady Railfan
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unless there is a proven food sensitivity/allergen/inability of your body digest certain protein / missing enzymes etc (a valid medical reason) then going overboard with the food control and teaching kids from the time that they're little, it just creates a lifelong problem with food. You're setting them up for failure, and eating disorders, and stress, and worse. Never a bad idea to cut back on artificial colors and weird ingredients, and sensible choices, but everything in moderation.

    Clara Stallworth
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    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As long as the baby is getting the appropriate nutrients for his growth and development, then OP can encourage him to become a vegetarian. However, what if the child wants to sample meat, such as a slice of bacon or a chicken nugget/strip? Guess what, it's not the end of the world! He may like it, or he may not, and that's fine, too! Just remember, OP, that your son is also your HUSBAND'S son, so he has as much say in the matter as you do!

    L Coffeen
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    5 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think she has her thinking a bit backwards. Her son should be allowed to be introduced to meat and when he's old enough can decide if he wants to be vegetarian or not. At least IMO. Though as long as her little one his getting all the nutrients he needs I don't really see any issue with a veggie diet.

    Ruth Watry
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    6 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Since his stomach is not used to meat, if family feeds him meat, it could make him very ill

    Somebodys grandmother
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Me, my father, my daughter, my grandchild have been vegetarians as kids. We have all disliked meat in our childhood... It is a healthy diet and so good for the planet. We don't need meat... we need proteins, not Meat...

    LilDumpling
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think this is a discussion between the parents and pediatrician. Maybe a pediatric nutritionist as well. Make the decision based on scientific evidence.

    DC
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's lovely how people trying to push their beliefs on the mother are so worried about hers being pushed on the child. Let's grow up, even if that only is possible for the moment: every parent that is an omnivore pushes this habit (or, for the sake of the argument, we can consider this a belief, although it hardly ever is), and every parent that is a vegetarian, a vegan, a christian, a muslim, a hindu, ... in that very same sense pushes their belief onto their child. It's only an issue if it's vegetarians or further, and that makes the whole bunch hypocrites. They are so worried about beliefs being pushed onto a child ... usually, that is called parenting, and as long as it doesn't impose a danger on a child, which a vegetarian diet per so does not, it's no more of an issue of theirs than it is that children are brought up to believe in certain gods, which, on the other hand, actually can cause harm, not as a side effect including imcompetence, but because of the very nature of itself.

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This mom has some serious issues... her hypocritical smug attitude was just too much.

    Jalunney
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a vegetarian for 10 odd years and every Christmas my mother made stuffing with pork in it. It was very tasty but they all had a good laugh when I found out it was meat. They only told me when I stopped being a veggie due to health reasons and went back to meat. Unfortunately family or not some people are twattish.

    Lena Flising
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Does she have a problem with breastfeeding? If she doesn't want to feed him meat, one way might have been to keep breastfeeding longer, and just give him tastings of different fruits and veggies. But if breastfeeding doesn't work for her and son, that's it. If the child never eats meat products, he will be as if he was "allergic" to meat, and it would be dangerous if others fed him meat. Sounds like she thinks she's the owner of the kid, but the dad is just as much in charge of the kid as she is. If he thinks meat is fine, maybe HE can feed the kid meat and SHE can feed him veggies?

    moggie63
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the child can have meat but not yet because they can't make that decision. What you mean is they can't have meat because you say so.

    GeorBlu
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I suspect your parents indeed all, parents tell their children there are some things they can't eat.

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    Earonn -
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean, if the baby is healthy and can choose later, what's the issue? She says she is in agreement with DH about this decision, so he's not 'suppressed' either. Are we so crazy on meat that not getting it is a horror? If anything, I pity that child if it's US American, because apparently it won't be able to roam the neighbourhood before it's 18 and will have to learn how to deal with gunshot wounds at school...

    Atom Bohr
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm so tired of how people who eat meat but have no meaningful understanding of nutrition start acting like they're nutritionists simply because they hear someone doesn't eat meat. It sounds like OOP put months of thought into this and her family needs to mind their own business

    Mark Childers
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been a vegetarian (not vegan, like this woman) for 36 years. It is a very healthy diet. This woman has nothing to apologize for, but her family sure needs to apologize to her for their abuse.

    R Dennis
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My stepdaughter has a hundred food plan for her kids when they start on solid food and I take it as a challenge! I grew up with the "you should try foods once, twice, three times before you decide you don't like it. Then give it a try every 5-10 years." I hated honey until I was in my 30s and capers until my 40s... I find it odd that OP is enforcing her choice, but refuses to even let the father have any say. Ngl, I dislike that type of egotism... I would probably be feeding my kid chicken nuggets and bacon cheeseburgers behind her back - that type of dynamic would be bad for all concerned.

    Bigmomma
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Op has said she is the parent she gets to decide what the baby eats now until baby can decide but what about dad doesn't he get a say what baby eats now if he has baby on his own is he OK to feed baby meat so baby can get used to taste and texture of these im not saying mum is wrong I'm asking ab

    Jolene Tollett
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I eat meat but my body type actually runs better on it, I’ve tried. Nutrition experts all agree that eating things grown by the earth is the healthiest nutrition. It is also better for the planet. Ensure balanced nutrition and let him try meats when he expresses interest. Speak frequently about nutrition, values and Earth care. Your child will be healthy and can make an informed decision around age 5. He may choose to eat meat, but many children or young g adults go back to vegetarian after experiencing meat for a while.

    Brenda Spagnola-Wilson
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Check with your pedestrian and get some information from them to show. My only concern would be the chance that if not exposed to eating meat while younger could it cause digestive problems for him when he is old enough to decide? My cousin is vegetarian but allowed his children small amounts of meat as his oldest had major digestive issues when he was finally allowed to try it ( I think he was 8-9?). No problem with the other kids who had it at a younger age. Could be just him, but something to ask about. If I didn't adore ham, I could be a vegetarian. Getting the proper nutrients isn't that difficult

    RP
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was raised veggie as were several generations before me in my family. I am raising my child vegetarian as well. 'Old enough to choose'is when my child is capable and willing to slaughter or hunt their first animal. If they know how most animals are farmed for processed meats and decide that is ok for them, then they are free to try some from their friends or buy with pocket money but I want them to have to make that conscious decision. Even if you decide to eat meat later, it's easier to add to a solid vegetarian diet in moderation than to go through all the fuss of trying to find (the often crappy) substitutes because you're so used to having it as the backbone of every meal (pun intended). Yes, hoping that they won't develop a taste for it is fine. It's easier to make the choice to not eat animals if you don't like the taste. And if you don't like the taste, you haven't missed out on anything or can develop that later. There are lots of foods I learned to appreciate later in life

    Rachel Pelz
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Her idea about childcare sounds weird to me. If you tell them he is vegetarian, there will be no way they allow her precious (lifestyle) veggie kid meat which they are obliged to make sure teligion-based veggie will not eat. The basic idea of baby-led weaning can be applied maybe not at 8 months but clearly before 4 years: let the baby/toddler eat the food other people at the table eat, let them try. Including let them try meat at granny's house if they indicate. Btw what is she going to tell the kid as to why it is not allowed to eat meat but daddy is (when he's out)? But then, first baby, moms need to grow as well (speaking from experience).

    DC
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, let me get this straight: Passing down a religion including restrictions in foods that may include to not eat meat, specific meat, any animal product is fine and to be adhered to, even including magic spells like the Lord's Prayer and such, but passing down a secular set of beliefs and ethics that include not to kill anything needlessly, which translates to vegetarian at the very least, is a problem because ... because what?

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    Ivona
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Meat protein is the best protein. Meat's great for a developing body and brain. OP is harming her child by not feeding him meat.

    Breadcrumb.
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think this conversation would have came up before kids..but because most pregnancies are not planned, maybe not. Its unfortunate to have this conversation now..so why does it even matter waiting another 4 years and let the kid decide between tofu or chicken nuggets.

    nm (he/him)
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The teeth and digestive system of us humans prove that we are omnivorous. Noone is allowed to enforce his/her/its stupidness on a child and put in danger it's health or life. The state should revoke her parental rights.

    GeorBlu
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having the dentition for an omnivorous diet is not proof that one must eat meat. At best it's evidence that eating both meat and plants is viable.

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    Doofnuts
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No meat ultimately means weak. Sorry, just the facts mam. We are Omnivores. Without a full diet we don't develop properly. Sorry about your kids luck.

    somnomania (she/her, queer)
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i'm on your side but it IS possible to get the correct proteins and amino acids from a vegetarian diet, it just has to be monitored closely because no single component provides all the combined types of amino acids.

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