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Hawaii Trip Planned With “Close Friends” Unravels As Woman Discovers They Never Existed
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Hawaii Trip Planned With “Close Friends” Unravels As Woman Discovers They Never Existed

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Honesty is the most important ingredient for a healthy relationship. And while it’s tempting to play up your best qualities when meeting someone new (and downplay your less attractive traits), be careful not to bend the truth too much. Because telling downright lies is certain to come back to bite you. 

One woman recently reached out to Reddit seeking advice after she had a devastating realization about her boyfriend’s “friend group.” Below, you’ll find the full story detailing how she found out about her partner’s lies, as well as some of the replies concerned readers left her.

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    This woman’s world was turned upside down when she found out that her boyfriend’s “friends” never existed at all

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    She even shared a screenshot of the conversation that occurred after leaving her boyfriend’s place

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    Later, the woman replied to several comments and shared some more details about the situation

    Honesty is necessary to build a genuine connection with your partner

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    We’ve all been taught that honesty is the best policy, but we tend to forget that when telling a little fib could be beneficial. Why be honest with your partner about their new haircut being unflattering when it’s only going to crush their self-esteem? And there’s no way this person interviewing you for a job will be able to catch you in your lies. So they’re harmless, right?

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    But bending the truth is a dangerous habit to get into, especially with loved ones. Because, when the truth does come out, it has the power to ruin relationships and erode trust in an instant. 

    Clinical psychologist Sabrina Romanoff, PsyD, told Verywell Mind that honesty is so important in relationships because, without it, you can never have a genuine and authentic connection.

    There are risks to being honest, of course. If you tell your partner that you actually hate the music that they listen to or that you don’t want to spend time with their friends, that could mean the end of your relationship. But being able to tell the truth is necessary to build a strong foundation with your partner.

    And Dr. Romanoff notes that this honesty doesn’t only need to be used with your partner, but with yourself as well. It’s important to look at your relationship and evaluate it honestly. Find the issues or places that need improvement and make adjustments. Problems don’t get solved by themselves!

    Plus, being forthcoming with your partner helps the two of you learn how to communicate, a skill that will help you resolve conflicts in the future. And, of course, it builds trust in your relationship. Knowing that your partner will always be honest with you, even if it’s uncomfortable, can make you feel much more secure in your relationship.

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    Lying can destroy relationships and can create long-term trust issues

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    While honesty is necessary for a healthy relationship, it’s no surprise that lying can quickly destroy the bond between two people. Darlene Lancer, JD, LMFT, explained on Psychology Today that being dishonest blocks partners from experiencing true intimacy.

    Lying also often snowballs, as even more lies will be required to cover up the first ones. Meanwhile, the person holding back the truth from their partner will likely feel uncomfortable and guilty and may start to pull back from the relationship, for fear of exposing their own lies.

    At the same time, they might feel shame and start to value themself less for being a liar, which can lead to developing unhealthy coping mechanisms or struggling with internal conflicts. And, of course, when the truth finally comes out, it can have a devastating impact on the victim as well.

    According to NeuroLaunch, being lied to can lead to a range of feelings, from hurt to betrayal to anger to sorrow. It’s natural for victims to feel a sense of loss, as the person they thought they knew might have never existed in the first place. 

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    And following the truth coming out, they might start to question their own judgment and second guess their instincts. How could I fail to notice that I was being deceived? Will this happen again in the future? A relationship built on lies will never last, but it might have long-term impacts on those involved.

    We would love to hear your thoughts on this situation below, pandas. How would you have responded if you had been met with earth-shattering news like this? Feel free to weigh in, and then if you’d like to read another Bored Panda article featuring similar relationship drama, we recommend checking out this piece

    Many readers were concerned for the woman’s safety and assured her that her boyfriend’s behavior was unacceptable

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    Shark Lady
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My first thought was that he was just a lonely guy who didn't want to admit he didn't have any friends. However, after reading the texts he sent, it's clear that he isn't of sound mind.

    Bec
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, from the title I thought he would be a friendless putz, but the gaslighting... What was he going to do once you got to Hawaii indeed!?! Disappear you off a cliff or into a volcano or something, bullet dodged!

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    CanadianDimes
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hope the 4% of people who close the “ignore and move on” option in the poll thought it meant “ignore HIM and move on”. This is not something you just forgive and forget. This is a massive red flag and hugely manipulative behaviour

    TotallyNOTAFox
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He sounds more like a psychopath than a sociopath - Anyways, she should cut any communication with him and take security measures seriously.

    Thanos'Fingers
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    2 weeks ago

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    He sounds more like a wombat than a psychopath - Anyways, she should steal his credit cards on the way out the door.

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    greenideas
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It just goes to show you - snooping is not all bad and can potentially save your life.

    Bookworm
    Community Member
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! Don't get me wrong, personal privacy is super important and just snooping for the sake of snooping is wrong, but there is a massive difference between 'you invaded my privacy' and 'you found the evidence that I was lying to you (which I didn't even hide all that well), how dare you find out I was lying!'

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    Ash
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really do want to know what he thought was going to happen for the hawaii trip...

    Ben Aziza
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    According to Psychopathy Checklist-Revised -Factor 1(Psychopathy) focuses on the emotional and interpersonal deficits of psychopathy, such as lack of empathy, manipulativeness, and shallow affect. -Factor 2(Sociopathy) emphasizes the lifestyle and antisocial behaviors, such as impulsivity, irresponsibility, and a tendency toward criminal behavior. I would say this dude fills out most of factor 1 ! The insane lies and manipulation are more on the psychopath side I would say. Sociopaths tend to be more honest and not always "bad" or "amoral" they can be a social deviant for many reasons A "Radical" in many shapes. A rebel and a terrorist are both sociopaths. The only difference is their morality but the factor 2 traits are all shared between the two. To go up against a bad regime/system you have to be impulsive, irresponsible and a "criminal" Mario's brother comes to mind. To spread an evil cult with fear because you are convinced it "saves people" yeh the same exact traits! As for psychopathy... It is very hard to imagine anything good coming out of it. I would say it is JUST all bad... But I don't have a degree in psychiatry, so maybe there is something I don't know.

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    Duba Hasongiraf
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I knew such a couple, they were together for almost 12 years since high school and she discovered that he was a liar with a double life, accidentally when she cleaned the apartment while he was on a business trip. When she asked him, he didn't give her any answers, mostly dodged and got angry at her, because she was dramatic and hysterical and kept poking him in the face. She believed that he would be the father of her children and at the age of 30 found herself alone and heartbroken. Since she got married and has children, he has entered into other relationships and done the same things, only that the women got on him faster (one of them even became my girlfriend) and he doesn't understand why I don't accept his friendship on Facebook. The guy is charming, charismatic and handsome and almost any woman would be charmed by him. If I didn't know the story - I would believe his version.

    SKaye
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a family member in treatment/therapy for mental health issues, including a personality disorder. One of their dysfunctional traits is pathological lying. It's very possible he is unable to stop this behavior without help and doesn't understand or recognize why he does it or how devastating it can be to those victimized by it. His calling you out as if you're the problem is classic behavior. Get away and stay away, block him in every way possible and go completely no-contact. No relationship of any kind with this man is possible unless he commits to ongoing, active treatment and even then it will likely be an unpleasant roller coaster ride.

    DC
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nobody does that WITHOUT reason. Without further reason, you might do stuff of that sort, but not put in that much effort that you need to set it up like described. While I can't know what he's trying to try with this stuff, I know that there's something shady. And, the invention of entire people in order to fill a group chat, in and of itself, is already a major violation of trust. The closer you look, the worse you'll see, and you've seen bad enough to just leave and never to be seen again. You could enter the group chat as a, supposedly, stranger to all the members, and ... ah, ne, just leave!

    Rahul Pawa
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My assumption is he set it up as a way to learn more about her, hype himself up and try to win her over.

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    Skitty Young
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All those people who use “gaslighting” when someone is merely disagreeing with them should take a look at this.

    MegDragon
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. It’s a specific behavior and a serious thing to have happen to you. It’s important to keep the word associated with its real meaning.

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    Cee Cee
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Weird and doubtless lonely and friendless. I pity him but wouldn't want to go out with him.

    Ben Aziza
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The manipulation and lies make all the pity go away for me. Dishonesty and manipulation can be the reason WHY they are lonely and friendless.

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    person (i think)
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m disappointed there are no unhinged YTAs. I wanted to read some wild justifications!!

    MindNumbinglyBoringJob
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He is gaslighting her. He got caught and now he is putting the blame entirely on her. He probably made up the friend group because he has no friends ( as many many people do not ) and he was afraid he would look like a loser to her. So he made up a social life and friends to impress her. Then he had no idea how to end the lie. Instead of coming clean when caught he gaslights her.

    CBolt
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't believe OP is even asking if she overacted. If anything, she's underreacting. I went to Reddit & read page after page after page of comments (didn't drill down thru all the layers), looking for an update but finally gave up. There's much excellent advice there, based on a worst case scenario - i.e., her life could be in danger now that this horrifying person has been caught in his web of lies: Run; cut off all contact; block him in every way possible; change locks; have a security check done in her home for cameras, etc; do a factory reset of her computer & have it & all other devices checked for spyware or anything else invasive; change all passwords; document the history & interactions with this creep; file a police report; get a restraining order; notify anybody OP may have introduced to this sick creep; don't bother with "why" - just shut it down & protect herself. But some other comments are unbelievable in how the posters aren't getting that this guy is potentially very dangerous: "There is no way I would ever be able to trust him after this and I would start questioning a lot of our past." Really? None of it was real. "Get him into therapy." "If you don't want to drop him right away ..... " "Maybe don't go on that trip to Hawaii." "When you go to get any of your stuff from his place ....." The person who inhabits this person's body & brain is not the person OP thought she knew - so I hope she took/takes the advice from the redditors who have advised very serious & sensible actions to protect herself. (At least, some people have shown they know what "gaslighting" actually is, but I literally don't know how many more literal times I can see "literally" literally thrown into as many literal places in 1 literal sentence as literally possible before I literally throw myself off the literal roof of my garage, literally onto the literal concrete literally below it.)

    MegDragon
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Reddit is a wild place. And it’s sad to think how many people feel they must turn there for help with serious questions such as OP’s. (I understand many posts might be fake, but they can’t all be.)

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    ThisIsMe
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would further suggest documenting the whole thing and then putting that history in an envelope for a trusted friend or family member, maybe even discussing with the police just to have a record. This feels like the kind of thing that might come back and bite OP, or be done to someone else. Best to have shared the scenario before someone else gets hurt.

    TribbleThinking
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your advice sounds wise, with possibility a lot to gain from not much effort. Even if she doesn't need it, it would be just the ticket for if some poor distressed next girlfriend appears at her door seeking some sanity!

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    Christos Arvanitis
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to think that these fake personas were used and/or are still being used with other women. That is truly psychotic.

    Apatheist Account2
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's taking multiple personality disorder to a new level. Being charitable, it could be that he has some genuine issues about wanting to be other people, but it's certainly a psychotherapy need.

    Joe G.
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The screenshot of their conversation the morning after was classic gas lighting. From start to end and every word choice.

    Ruth Watry
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My first thought was that he was embarrassed to have no friends. His response to her makes it clear that things are much worse, and she needs to cut him out of her life.

    Joanne Earle
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Typical of him to try and turn it around and put it on her. Text book gaslighting narcissist.

    Lace Neil
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Reminds me of this murder: https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/9834377.bushby-facing-at-least-25-years-in-jail-after-guilty-verdict-in-catherine-wynter-trial/

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
    Community Member
    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thats some fantastically blunt gaslighting lol. His response is the most unsettling part of this story.

    weatherwitch
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    End the relationship. Get evidence and Keep it. He may well reappear later and cause problems. Likely given his mental health condition to claim to others you cheated on him with one of his (fictional) friends 🙁 Escape and good luck

    Casey Payne
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "What do you think is the best course of action for the woman in the article?" I'm going to use Dolly Parton's advice from 9 to 5: "I say we hire a couple of wranglers to go over and beat the s**t out of him." Or have someone install a virus on his system that will wipe out his system. At the very least, get away from the psycho.

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dude is a gaslighting sociopath and she needs to hold onto those messages because when this ends, he's going to come for her because rejection never goes down well with these people. I hope she has protective people around her. If he keeps going, make those posts public on social media and then let him explain himself there instead - hard to gaslight a general audience all at once without losing the room.

    CalamityOne
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How far was this guy going to take it? "Oh, no, our friends can't make the trip because... they died in a tragic T-shirt cannon accident on the way to the airport..." *pays for cemetery plot, funeral, and mourners*

    VastGirth
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Had he just owned up straight way, apologised and explained it started as a way to get her interested in him and just spun out of control then I think things would be salvageable. But his responses are horrible and he sounds like an utter psycho. Run.

    Lady Miss Pie
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No way. There’s no way to salvage this even if he explained and apologized. This is psychotic.

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    Shark Lady
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My first thought was that he was just a lonely guy who didn't want to admit he didn't have any friends. However, after reading the texts he sent, it's clear that he isn't of sound mind.

    Bec
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, from the title I thought he would be a friendless putz, but the gaslighting... What was he going to do once you got to Hawaii indeed!?! Disappear you off a cliff or into a volcano or something, bullet dodged!

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    CanadianDimes
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hope the 4% of people who close the “ignore and move on” option in the poll thought it meant “ignore HIM and move on”. This is not something you just forgive and forget. This is a massive red flag and hugely manipulative behaviour

    TotallyNOTAFox
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He sounds more like a psychopath than a sociopath - Anyways, she should cut any communication with him and take security measures seriously.

    Thanos'Fingers
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    2 weeks ago

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    He sounds more like a wombat than a psychopath - Anyways, she should steal his credit cards on the way out the door.

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    greenideas
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It just goes to show you - snooping is not all bad and can potentially save your life.

    Bookworm
    Community Member
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! Don't get me wrong, personal privacy is super important and just snooping for the sake of snooping is wrong, but there is a massive difference between 'you invaded my privacy' and 'you found the evidence that I was lying to you (which I didn't even hide all that well), how dare you find out I was lying!'

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    Ash
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really do want to know what he thought was going to happen for the hawaii trip...

    Ben Aziza
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    According to Psychopathy Checklist-Revised -Factor 1(Psychopathy) focuses on the emotional and interpersonal deficits of psychopathy, such as lack of empathy, manipulativeness, and shallow affect. -Factor 2(Sociopathy) emphasizes the lifestyle and antisocial behaviors, such as impulsivity, irresponsibility, and a tendency toward criminal behavior. I would say this dude fills out most of factor 1 ! The insane lies and manipulation are more on the psychopath side I would say. Sociopaths tend to be more honest and not always "bad" or "amoral" they can be a social deviant for many reasons A "Radical" in many shapes. A rebel and a terrorist are both sociopaths. The only difference is their morality but the factor 2 traits are all shared between the two. To go up against a bad regime/system you have to be impulsive, irresponsible and a "criminal" Mario's brother comes to mind. To spread an evil cult with fear because you are convinced it "saves people" yeh the same exact traits! As for psychopathy... It is very hard to imagine anything good coming out of it. I would say it is JUST all bad... But I don't have a degree in psychiatry, so maybe there is something I don't know.

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    Duba Hasongiraf
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I knew such a couple, they were together for almost 12 years since high school and she discovered that he was a liar with a double life, accidentally when she cleaned the apartment while he was on a business trip. When she asked him, he didn't give her any answers, mostly dodged and got angry at her, because she was dramatic and hysterical and kept poking him in the face. She believed that he would be the father of her children and at the age of 30 found herself alone and heartbroken. Since she got married and has children, he has entered into other relationships and done the same things, only that the women got on him faster (one of them even became my girlfriend) and he doesn't understand why I don't accept his friendship on Facebook. The guy is charming, charismatic and handsome and almost any woman would be charmed by him. If I didn't know the story - I would believe his version.

    SKaye
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a family member in treatment/therapy for mental health issues, including a personality disorder. One of their dysfunctional traits is pathological lying. It's very possible he is unable to stop this behavior without help and doesn't understand or recognize why he does it or how devastating it can be to those victimized by it. His calling you out as if you're the problem is classic behavior. Get away and stay away, block him in every way possible and go completely no-contact. No relationship of any kind with this man is possible unless he commits to ongoing, active treatment and even then it will likely be an unpleasant roller coaster ride.

    DC
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nobody does that WITHOUT reason. Without further reason, you might do stuff of that sort, but not put in that much effort that you need to set it up like described. While I can't know what he's trying to try with this stuff, I know that there's something shady. And, the invention of entire people in order to fill a group chat, in and of itself, is already a major violation of trust. The closer you look, the worse you'll see, and you've seen bad enough to just leave and never to be seen again. You could enter the group chat as a, supposedly, stranger to all the members, and ... ah, ne, just leave!

    Rahul Pawa
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My assumption is he set it up as a way to learn more about her, hype himself up and try to win her over.

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    Skitty Young
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All those people who use “gaslighting” when someone is merely disagreeing with them should take a look at this.

    MegDragon
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. It’s a specific behavior and a serious thing to have happen to you. It’s important to keep the word associated with its real meaning.

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    Cee Cee
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Weird and doubtless lonely and friendless. I pity him but wouldn't want to go out with him.

    Ben Aziza
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The manipulation and lies make all the pity go away for me. Dishonesty and manipulation can be the reason WHY they are lonely and friendless.

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    person (i think)
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m disappointed there are no unhinged YTAs. I wanted to read some wild justifications!!

    MindNumbinglyBoringJob
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He is gaslighting her. He got caught and now he is putting the blame entirely on her. He probably made up the friend group because he has no friends ( as many many people do not ) and he was afraid he would look like a loser to her. So he made up a social life and friends to impress her. Then he had no idea how to end the lie. Instead of coming clean when caught he gaslights her.

    CBolt
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't believe OP is even asking if she overacted. If anything, she's underreacting. I went to Reddit & read page after page after page of comments (didn't drill down thru all the layers), looking for an update but finally gave up. There's much excellent advice there, based on a worst case scenario - i.e., her life could be in danger now that this horrifying person has been caught in his web of lies: Run; cut off all contact; block him in every way possible; change locks; have a security check done in her home for cameras, etc; do a factory reset of her computer & have it & all other devices checked for spyware or anything else invasive; change all passwords; document the history & interactions with this creep; file a police report; get a restraining order; notify anybody OP may have introduced to this sick creep; don't bother with "why" - just shut it down & protect herself. But some other comments are unbelievable in how the posters aren't getting that this guy is potentially very dangerous: "There is no way I would ever be able to trust him after this and I would start questioning a lot of our past." Really? None of it was real. "Get him into therapy." "If you don't want to drop him right away ..... " "Maybe don't go on that trip to Hawaii." "When you go to get any of your stuff from his place ....." The person who inhabits this person's body & brain is not the person OP thought she knew - so I hope she took/takes the advice from the redditors who have advised very serious & sensible actions to protect herself. (At least, some people have shown they know what "gaslighting" actually is, but I literally don't know how many more literal times I can see "literally" literally thrown into as many literal places in 1 literal sentence as literally possible before I literally throw myself off the literal roof of my garage, literally onto the literal concrete literally below it.)

    MegDragon
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Reddit is a wild place. And it’s sad to think how many people feel they must turn there for help with serious questions such as OP’s. (I understand many posts might be fake, but they can’t all be.)

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    ThisIsMe
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would further suggest documenting the whole thing and then putting that history in an envelope for a trusted friend or family member, maybe even discussing with the police just to have a record. This feels like the kind of thing that might come back and bite OP, or be done to someone else. Best to have shared the scenario before someone else gets hurt.

    TribbleThinking
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your advice sounds wise, with possibility a lot to gain from not much effort. Even if she doesn't need it, it would be just the ticket for if some poor distressed next girlfriend appears at her door seeking some sanity!

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    Christos Arvanitis
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to think that these fake personas were used and/or are still being used with other women. That is truly psychotic.

    Apatheist Account2
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's taking multiple personality disorder to a new level. Being charitable, it could be that he has some genuine issues about wanting to be other people, but it's certainly a psychotherapy need.

    Joe G.
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The screenshot of their conversation the morning after was classic gas lighting. From start to end and every word choice.

    Ruth Watry
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My first thought was that he was embarrassed to have no friends. His response to her makes it clear that things are much worse, and she needs to cut him out of her life.

    Joanne Earle
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Typical of him to try and turn it around and put it on her. Text book gaslighting narcissist.

    Lace Neil
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Reminds me of this murder: https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/9834377.bushby-facing-at-least-25-years-in-jail-after-guilty-verdict-in-catherine-wynter-trial/

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thats some fantastically blunt gaslighting lol. His response is the most unsettling part of this story.

    weatherwitch
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    End the relationship. Get evidence and Keep it. He may well reappear later and cause problems. Likely given his mental health condition to claim to others you cheated on him with one of his (fictional) friends 🙁 Escape and good luck

    Casey Payne
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "What do you think is the best course of action for the woman in the article?" I'm going to use Dolly Parton's advice from 9 to 5: "I say we hire a couple of wranglers to go over and beat the s**t out of him." Or have someone install a virus on his system that will wipe out his system. At the very least, get away from the psycho.

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dude is a gaslighting sociopath and she needs to hold onto those messages because when this ends, he's going to come for her because rejection never goes down well with these people. I hope she has protective people around her. If he keeps going, make those posts public on social media and then let him explain himself there instead - hard to gaslight a general audience all at once without losing the room.

    CalamityOne
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How far was this guy going to take it? "Oh, no, our friends can't make the trip because... they died in a tragic T-shirt cannon accident on the way to the airport..." *pays for cemetery plot, funeral, and mourners*

    VastGirth
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Had he just owned up straight way, apologised and explained it started as a way to get her interested in him and just spun out of control then I think things would be salvageable. But his responses are horrible and he sounds like an utter psycho. Run.

    Lady Miss Pie
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No way. There’s no way to salvage this even if he explained and apologized. This is psychotic.

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