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The Internet Is Fuming After This Employee Was Fired And Then Threatened With Legal Action For “Logging Hours Without Working”
Losing your job can be extremely stressful. It typically comes as a shock, and it can leave workers scrambling to figure out how they will afford to pay rent, buy groceries and spend the next few weeks searching for a new job. The best thing a previous employer can do is try to make the transition time a bit smoother for the worker they terminated. Even if they are not leaving on the best terms, a sympathetic supervisor will understand that the person still deserves to feel safe and be able to provide for themself and their family.
Recently, however, one worker who was fired shared online that their previous employer is not only refusing to make this difficult time easier, they are going out of their way to demand the employee pay money back. Below, you can read the full story, which was shared on the Antiwork subreddit, and then feel free to share your thoughts in the comments section. Warning: this situation may make you feel extreme frustration towards the employer in question. Then if you’re interested in reading another Bored Panda article featuring work drama, check out this story next.
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After suddenly terminating this employee, one supervisor is now asking for money back
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The worker later shared an update on the situation, explaining that it’s unfortunately still not over
The author of this post mentioned that they live in the state of Michigan, which is an ‘at-will’ state, meaning that an employee or an employer is allowed to terminate a contract at any time without any particular reason. However, that does not mean that after firing an employee, companies can continue to harass them and demand money back.
The worker in question says that they were told they could take all of their breaks and lunches at the end of the day and leave early, and clearly, they were not the only one doing it, as there were several other employees fired under similar circumstances. So that money that the company is demanding they get back was never theirs in the first place. Had this employee taken their breaks earlier in the day, their paychecks would still come out to the same amount. The hours would just be slightly different times during the day.
While we cannot be 100% sure why this supervisor decided to demand $1,117 back from this particular worker, some of the commenters had some ideas. One person brought up the possibility that the company had been audited, fined for tracking hours incorrectly, and now the employer wants to hold one person accountable, rather than taking responsibility and paying the fine himself.
This situation is very possible, as there are a variety of fines for breaking labor laws in the United States, but this one appears to fall under record-keeping, or more specifically, keeping inaccurate records. Interestingly enough, the fine for violating labor laws through recordkeeping is $1,084. This is all conjecture, of course, but if you’d like to put on your tin-foil hat with me, this circumstance is definitely within the realm of possibilities.
Being suddenly fired, especially when an employee was doing everything correctly as far as they knew, is never a fun situation to be in. And while the worker noted that they have requested a legal consultation so they can navigate this situation appropriately, there was no need for this to escalate in the first place. Whether the employer was embarrassed and stressed out about having to pay a fine or bitter towards their workers for tracking their hours inaccurately, that does not give him the right to keep bothering them for months and demanding compensation.
There is always a risk when you hire someone that it won’t work out, but the money that they earned is theirs. And they cannot be expected to have over $1,000 just laying around to give back. We’d love to hear your thoughts down below, and if you know more about the legality of the situation, feel free to fill us in in the comments.
Heated commenters have advised the employee to stop responding and seek legal counsel of their own
What do you think ?
The Starsong Princess 2 years ago
This is odd. The employer is alleging time card fraud. Generally, with time card fraud in a reputable company, the employee gets a warning and coaching for the first offence if it is small (this looks small to me and then fired after any further offences. What’s odd is the supervisor is asking for repayment and threatening to involve Legal. If the company was expecting repayment, they would have already discussed it with their legal department, that just standard procedure. I’m thinking that the supervisor is the only one talking about repayment and planned to keep the money. OP should have asked for a meeting with hr and legal for clarification when they found out about the time card problems. They may still have ended up fired but things would be clearer.
Celtic Pirate Queen 2 years ago (edited)
Collection agencies try this sh*t all the time. I got a phone call saying I owed X Hospital $2400 for my hip replacement surgery. Ok, first of all, I'm a professional bookkeeper and I don't OWE anyone anything. Fine send me a copy of the invoice. I got a generic statement (without the hospital's letterhead or logo). So I called and told them I needed an itemized INVOICE from the hospital, they sent me another generic statement. This happened about 5 times before I blocked their phone calls & never heard from them again. This was probably 2 years ago. NEVER pay a debt without documentation.
Tjoori Vids 1 year ago
Been there. I got laid off "made redundant" after a major network upgrade, because allegedly, I did "nothing". (600+ Computers roll themselves onto the new system...) Then I was accused of piracy, because "illegal files were found in your user area". Well, yeah, they would be. I had to pull the data of 1200 Students and 200 Staff into my user area (which was the only one with unlimited space), before creating all those accounts again across two separate networks, 6 new servers and whatnot. So yes, I will simply yank everything into my area before the servers are wiped. And no, I didn't scrutinize the contents for stuff that shouldn't be there. I had enough to do as it was. But yeah, I did "nothing" all summer. Best part was the manager calling me a week after I was fired wanting the backups which he had always insisted be given to him at the end of the day. So guess where the backup tapes were? (Worthless anyway, as the servers had been wiped and upgraded).
The Starsong Princess 2 years ago
This is odd. The employer is alleging time card fraud. Generally, with time card fraud in a reputable company, the employee gets a warning and coaching for the first offence if it is small (this looks small to me and then fired after any further offences. What’s odd is the supervisor is asking for repayment and threatening to involve Legal. If the company was expecting repayment, they would have already discussed it with their legal department, that just standard procedure. I’m thinking that the supervisor is the only one talking about repayment and planned to keep the money. OP should have asked for a meeting with hr and legal for clarification when they found out about the time card problems. They may still have ended up fired but things would be clearer.
Celtic Pirate Queen 2 years ago (edited)
Collection agencies try this sh*t all the time. I got a phone call saying I owed X Hospital $2400 for my hip replacement surgery. Ok, first of all, I'm a professional bookkeeper and I don't OWE anyone anything. Fine send me a copy of the invoice. I got a generic statement (without the hospital's letterhead or logo). So I called and told them I needed an itemized INVOICE from the hospital, they sent me another generic statement. This happened about 5 times before I blocked their phone calls & never heard from them again. This was probably 2 years ago. NEVER pay a debt without documentation.
Tjoori Vids 1 year ago
Been there. I got laid off "made redundant" after a major network upgrade, because allegedly, I did "nothing". (600+ Computers roll themselves onto the new system...) Then I was accused of piracy, because "illegal files were found in your user area". Well, yeah, they would be. I had to pull the data of 1200 Students and 200 Staff into my user area (which was the only one with unlimited space), before creating all those accounts again across two separate networks, 6 new servers and whatnot. So yes, I will simply yank everything into my area before the servers are wiped. And no, I didn't scrutinize the contents for stuff that shouldn't be there. I had enough to do as it was. But yeah, I did "nothing" all summer. Best part was the manager calling me a week after I was fired wanting the backups which he had always insisted be given to him at the end of the day. So guess where the backup tapes were? (Worthless anyway, as the servers had been wiped and upgraded).
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