18 Reactions To Disney Refusing To Let Grieving Dad Put Spider-Man On 4-Year-Old Son’s Headstone
Disney is taking hits from all sides at the moment after they denied a grieving father’s permission to use the image of Spider-Man on his son’s grave.
Ollie Jones died in December, aged just four years old after battling with leukodystrophy, a rare disease which his sister Laillah is also living with. The family are understandably bereft and hoped to mark his grave with a specially designed Spider-Man headstone.
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Ollie was a massive fan of the famous character, and his father Lloyd knows that Ollie would’ve loved Spider-Man watching over him. “At the moment I go to his grave and see flowers, it would be nice to have something that really reminds me of him,” he said.
4-year-old Ollie was a huge spiderman fan who sadly passed away from a rare genetic disease last December
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However, the local council of Maidstone, UK, said it needs permission from Marvel, which owns the rights to the comic book character, to approve it. Sadly Disney studios, who have owned Marvel since 2009, cited a decision made by Walt Disney himself that bans the use of Disney-owned characters on graves, tombstones, and other memorial markers. This policy is designed to preserve the innocence and magic around its characters.
Ollie’s father wanted to honor his son with this Spider-Man headstone design, but Disney denied it
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“We extend our sincere condolences. If we played a small part in Ollie’s happiness, we are honored,” a representative of Disney said.
“Generations of fans have responded to our characters with the same wonder and delight that Ollie did. In fact, many believe the characters to be real. We have striven to preserve the same innocence and magic around our characters that brought Ollie such joy.”
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“For that reason, we follow a policy that began with Walt Disney himself that does not permit the use of characters on headstones, cemetery or other memorial markers or funeral urns.”
“Although we cannot grant the family’s request, we would be pleased to commemorate your nephew with a hand-inked, hand-painted, personalized cell that recognises his love for Spider-Man, which will read: ‘For your ——- (nephew’s name), Thank you for letting us share in the magic of your life. Your friends at the Walt Disney Company.’ We feel privileged to have had him as a fan.”
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Ollie’s uncle, Jason Jones, was stunned by the decision. “This means everything to us. My brother’s life has been shattered, and it has shattered the whole family. We can’t move on until we have his headstone done – Spider-Man was Ollie’s entire life. He loved it so much.”
“His coffin was covered in Spider-man, the procession was led by someone dressed as Spider-man, this would really mean the world to us. I didn’t expect it to be an issue – my funeral director, who’s also my friend, rang me and told me they couldn’t do it. I thought he was joking at first.”
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Father Lloyd suspects that the giant corporation cares only about its bottom line. ”It makes no sense to me – characters die in their films all the time,” he said on Facebook. “Ollie’s last holiday was at Disneyland. He loved Spider-Man, and we had bought him all the toys. But now he has died, and we won’t be spending any more money, they don’t care.”
The affair has proven to be a massive own goal for Disney, with the internet awash with indignant outrage at their stubborn stance.
Predictably, a series of mocking memes have surfaced highlighting the absurdity of it all
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Here’s what people had to say about Disney’s decision
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Leukodystrophy affects one in 40,000 people in the UK and is brought on by a genetic fault. “It’s a fatal condition. It affects them from the age of about two and then most people with it live to around 20,” Lloyd said.
“It’s not painful, but it disrupts their muscles. You try and put a shirt or their trousers on and their muscles can tense up. In the end, Ollie could only move his hands to play with his toys.”
You can help the family by signing a petition here, and also learn more about Leukodystrophy here.
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Share on FacebookI understand the response from Disey. I don't think it was hurtfull or heartless. they say no and offer something for rememberance other than a Disney custom thombstone. They could have just said "no". Their decision make sense to me.
yeah I get both sides. I mean a young child died obviously no one wins in this situation. Haven’t they done people dressed up in comic characters carry the casket and stuff like that though?
Load More Replies...I am pretty sure this is not the only parent who has been in this situation but he made it public. People sometimes forget that there is a law to everything, also art. Disneys response was well explained and warm, I totally get it.
46 upvotes are the 46 lawyers Disney got on retainer at any given moment. How the *bleep* a letter saying “no” to a dead kid’s wish gonna be “warm?” Talking about law and well explained, you lawyer number 47? I hope many important things You wish for are denied in the future, but that always you’re given an explanation that’s well explained and warm so you’ll be alright. Seems fitting.
Load More Replies...As a mother, nothing would stop me from doing this if that's what my child was into. They say it would ruin their magic, but almost every single Disney movie has a death in it.... Bambi's mom, Simba's Dad, Elsa / Anna's parents, Where is Ariel's Mom? Belle's Mom? Oh dead. Snow White's Mom... dead. So don't sit there and say that it would ruin the magic. Have a friggin heart, besides, it's not like children of the masses would be visiting Ollie's grave and be like "Oh spiderman is on this grave, it's ruined" if anything they would think maybe he was protecting Ollie. Ridiculous.
-and Dumbo s Mom was beaten for defending her son.
Load More Replies...I would just get someone to make a weather-proof Spider-Man sculpture for the grave. I have seen some custom-made sculptures at graveyards decorating a boring gravestone.
Maybe they can buy a bigger action figure and install it behind a glass display incorporated within the tombstone design. I saw similar solutions in my hometown, but with sacral themed figures.
Load More Replies...I see where Disney is coming from, but I have seen headstones of Mickey and Minnie, Goofy, Cinderella, etc. Either Disney "okayed it" , or someone just ignored Disney and made it anyway.
Surely the jobsworth in the council is to blame.
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Maybe someone needs to remind Disney that they aren't the people responsible for Spider Man, I bet Stan Lee would have let them use Spider Man on the grave. I suggest you buy a nice, good quality Spider Man Figurine, and leave that at the grave, f**k disney's response. And are they also forgetting what happened in infinity war!? Lets not forget all the deaths in the comics to begin with... including MJ's death, due to Peter's radioactive sperm causing her to get cancer in one of the universes.
Find a spiderman large pillowcase and cover the grave with it. Or find something similar in ebay.
He *can't*. The last comment included in the article (by Margaret Gellatly) explains it very well, please go read that.
Load More Replies...It's not as if they only said no to them, it's the same for everyone. Yes, it would have been nice for the family but those were the wishes of Walt himself. They explained themselves correctly and I don't see a direct error from Disney's part, but I can understand the hurt of the family too. Sorry to say but I agree with Disney on this point.
They don't want Spiderman associated with death but apparently have no issues associating Spiderman with brute commercialism.
MammaG, the reason you would put a toy on a grave is because it is a way of remembering the person for who they were and what they enjoyed.
Load More Replies...I'm a bit stunned that Disney seems to have bought ALL the rights to Spider-man. That is actually rather depressing.
This is another example of "It's all about me". I feel for the parents losing their 4 year old but come on; how about the Nike symbol: you think they want their logo on a grave stone? I agree with all who posted early on. Disney was in their right and they did send condolences so they are not heartless.
Sorry, but.... nobody has the right to use or abuse something illegally because they "loved it", potentially ruining the experience for the billions of other kids, and not having a shred of understanding, just harping on the "soul-less" corporation. Disney's response was respectful and these guys showed not a hint of understanding for the millions of other fans, not to mention other grieving people who might find it disrespectful to have their loved ones buried next to a colorful childish display . Quote:"My brother’s life has been shattered, it has shattered the whole family. We can’t move on until we have his headstone done", sorry but, really? It has shattered your life more than the actual death of the boy? REALLY? Put a spiderweb on it, something that isn't copyrighted, just find a way around the tragedy! of not being able to put Spiderman on a tombstone, and ffs do not almost make Disney responsible for your child's death. Manage your grief.
Well, it doesn't surprise me, after all Disney owns Fox News, let that sink in for a moment!
Yet WB allows a string of pay by the hour motels to use Tweety's image...
Well, now everyone see the dark side of disney and still want to became disney princess. smh
This is so sad. He was only 4. Why couldn't Disney let them do it in the first place? 😭😭😭😭😭😭
are you serious?! Disney, there is a boy who absolutely LOVES Spider-Man, and there is literally a freakin' GRIEVING father, and you can't even do one thing for a kid? when you make things FOR kids? you seriously messed up Disney. make it right and just do it. its not that hard.
In my village there's a child's gravestone with the whole cast of "the Lion King" on it. It's been there for for maybe 20 years. No one ever complained. I sure hope it never get taken down for something as stupid as this. I'm a professional artist and I understand the need to protect your intellectual property but this is going too far. Show some compassion ffs.
Why do they think they're entitled to put a licensed character on a tombstone? Yes, a little boy dies and that's horrible, but lots and lots of children die every day.
is there anything inside that thick skull of yours?
Load More Replies...I would go ahead and have the tomb stone made with the text without the image of Spiderman. Then I would later go to the tombstone with a stencil of Spiderman and sandblast it in myself with a portable sand blaster, or some other etching device like a Dremel or something.
I understand the want to put something the kid loved on the tombstone. But imagine if they allowed it, people around the world would seek to take picture of the tombstone, other characters from Disney property would be up for grabbing and just imagine going to graveyard seeing diseny characters, anime characters and such. Its enough to see how Chernobyl series made INfluencers flock to Pripyat for pictures. Can you imagine how less of a privacy would graves with this on tombstone get? I think that is the reason for the "Disney doesnt want to be associated with death" sentence. Everybody knows the characters are fictional, but real world death shouldn't be exploitable. (because as somebody mentioned, fanarts are free publicity, imagine it on Graves)
And where are these big men and their big....if had money I would put Spiderman on that kids tombstone and challenge disney to sue me..a zuckenburg vs disney legal battle would be out of this world.
It would not be 'out of this world', it would be a quick lawsuit cause of 'laws'.
Load More Replies...First off there is a ton of death at disney..including like freaking luke skywalker...Disney had no problem with that character being associated with death
They aren't on tombstones!!! A movie is much different than a graveyard.
Load More Replies...I know this is old now and just seeing it, but I would be a little smart ass to that response. Yes, I do understand why Disney said what they said, but it doesn’t make it hurts less. I understand their reasoning and agree to it more with Disney specific created characters. Marvel and Star Wars characters were not created by Disney in my opinion. However, I will still respect them and appreciate the kind response. Then I would not put Spider-Man on the tombstone, but I sure would do everything else I could. Ex: Spider-Man merchandise like toy, stake in the ground with Spider-Man flag or metal-work of a Spider-Man figure. On the tombstone I would make them add colors of red and blue with images of cobwebs and a quote at the bottom (quotes are free use as long as cited) “With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility” by Spider-Man or put a picture of an actual spider that was Blue snd red. I would have found a loop hole somehow. Or secretly I would commission a art piece from online artist to draw his son swinging with Spider-Man in the city and put that picture in my living room framed.
stfu first of all its THERE CHARACTER and 2nd of all disney did it to preserve the inncence of there characters do you think spider man on a GRAVE STONE is innocent?!
Before disney bought the charater this would have been allowed. What are they going to do tear down the tomb stones that went up before they bought it. This policy should NOT extend to charters created by other people and bought by disney. Dear disney you didnt make that.
~This is just horrible. Yes I am aware that copyright and all that s**t but that's just being a complete d**k to your audience age. If anything, Disney should've just let them have the child's dying wish because Disney is all about "making dreams/wishes come true!" so why the f*** did they not make this dying boy's wish come true. I personally don't like Marvel but this isn't about me it's about a poor boy who was let down by a huge company who are too stubborn to even let one child at least have anything he loved to be there to watch over him. Also, Disney not wanting to brand their characters with death? Bulls**t! I can name almost every death in almost every Disney movie and they cover it up with magic and pretty princesses. I loved Disney but this makes me f***ing sick! (Yeah I'm making sure if my friend or anybody close gets a special burial and if the people don't like it they can kiss my a*s I'm not budging)~
this was such a sad article and I see both sides of the story and agree with both sides...but its WAYYYYY to early to be making nazi jokes. As a jew myself I think that was terrible, comparing a company that's trying not to lose it's business. to a heartless army that killed 6 million jews, and did so much more.
You know, you have to recognize evil while it is still in its infancy...
Load More Replies...It is so ironic that the company that has been accused many times of the theft of artists' works (including Walt Disney himself, who stole the figure of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit) refuses to use the image of the character that bought not created. Disney had a lot of lawsuits because he steadily steals the work of artists-fans and uses them to create gadgets on which he later earns millions. In addition, Walt Disney forbade the use of fairy-tale characters to not be associated with death, but Spiderman is a comics character. Shame on you, Disney!
The problem is that they really can't do it because it opens up the can of worms on people using it for more and more things. Now, there's no reason THEN, that they can't create a tombstone FOR him since they own the right, and give it to the family as a gift, or even a discounted purchase.
So the Council couldn't because of the copyright laws, granted. So have someone make a cover out of fabric or plastic and slip it over the headstone. It's a personal use, not covered by copyright laws and it's just you decorating your child's grave which absolves the Council of any legal responsibility.
Snow white's mother, her stepmother kept wanting her dead. Dumbo's mother. Bambi's mother. Cinderella's mother. Old freakin Yeller. Beauty's father. Simba's father. Nemo's mother. BOTH parents in Frozen. Moana's grandmother. Everyone on Coco. And many others. But yeah, Disney, you aren't about death and dying. Hypocrites.
I would look for a "generic" type graphic, that resembles Spiderman to a point. I'm sure there are many out there.
In my pre-author life, I used to paint murals in kids' rooms for a living. The Princesses and Winnie the Pooh characters were really popular designs. I always had to alter little details about them just to avoid the potential lawsuits. I'd heard Disney was ruthless about it.
Wouldn't allowing the gravestone put Disney in a positive light and improve their relations with their fan base thus creating more revenue due to the extra respect gained from such a heartfelt gesture? It's not like they are short of money
No. You see Disney gravestones and think there's nothing sacred. You've commercialized death
Load More Replies...I find it ironic that Disney only SHARES ownership with Marvel and Sony but they still claim it as if Walt Disney himself created the character, yet they act like they OWN IT ALL! I love Disney but they really p**s me off!!!!
It’s a slipery slope for Disney, if they allow this poor dad to create that headstone, it sets legal precedent for others to use Disney characters as they like, abusing their copyright in other ways, which could ultimately lead to their copyrighted characters being associated with things they don’t want to be associated with. It looks shady in this exact situation, but in the broader picture, which big companies like Disney always have to consider, I can understand why they handled it the way they did. There’s lots of other ways the dad could honor his son through Spiderman. He just have to be creative.
First, Spiderman is not a Disney character but a Marvel creation. Walt Disney's edict , nearly 70 years old, was for his stable and not intended for action franchise figures of bought along with their studios in the 21st century. (Name me three people who think of Spiderman as a Disney original.) Second, Spiderman IS associated with death. The death of his parents, the murder of Uncle Ben and the deaths of his girlfriend's father, his girlfriend, the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus etc. Spiderman himself has died more than once on the page and only two years ago, memorably, on screen: the audience saw him disintegrate before their eyes. Death is part of the genre, as are violence, mass destruction etc. Disney may current hold the copyright but their explanation is a crock and their all too typical response (replicate warmth and fake understanding) is corporate spin at its most artful and nauseating.
Spiderman character is original marvel not Disney. You could argue it wasn't an original Disney character therefore not obligated to follow the rule. I'm surprised to see how many poor judgement Disney has made lately. Maybe should consider changing of the management ;)
Disney has always fed on the art work and lore of others. Disney has appropriated so many stories from every time and culture and, IMO made a mess of them, and they now pretend that they own them. Example; Zoltan Korda s 'The Jungle Book' put to film in 1942 is a beautiful movie and nothing at all to do with Disney.
Dear Disney, obviously stung by such delicate matter but what about the copyright infringement that's happening just now, in mybe some southern asiatic sweat shop, with children making fake Spiderman action figures and other related material ? There are gazillions of bootleg toys and paraphernalia out there and not only from Disney...
And what if you just don't ask permission and get it made anyway? Is Disney going to take the stone of this boys grave? Don't think so. Sometimes it's better not to ask things and just do them...
Real artists won't steal others' work or infringe on copyrights.
Load More Replies...As a marketing person I get protecting the brand. I think MOST companies would deny a request for use of their branding on a tombstone (or a car or a building or any other outside use). The funny part though is the "we don't want our characters associated with death" line. Don't they kill off multiple beloved characters - mother's, fathers, friends, etc. in their cartoons marketed toward even their youngest viewers/fans?!?!
I think Disney's response was sensitive and compassionate, while still maintaining their policy on the matter.
I'd go the underground black-market tombstone route. Will the cemetery be sued if one is just installed there some night? Will Disney sue someone? Who? The father? I would simply love for that to happen. Donations to the father would support his legal fees, while the world watches Disney's lawyers go into court everyday suing a grieving dad. Since no one is making money off of this, and it is on private property, will Disney even know?
I was thinking the same thing as the artist who painted Ariel in a Remembrance Book. Just slightly alter it and you can do it.
So go ahead and steal and violate the copyright, just pretend you're not?
Load More Replies..."Ohhhh yeah. Ummm, sorry we won't let you use Spider-Man on the little boy's gravestone, but hey! Here ya go! Have a one of a kind cool hand-inked cell with a personal message that you all can hang on the wall to remind you every day of how f*cking callus, heartless, and utterly greedy we are. Have a great day!" ~ Disney Corporation probably.
The time for trolls like you is over. That chip on your shoulder must be getting bigger every day.
It doesn't matter that it's law. It's wrong. Law has nothing to do with ethics or morals.
Unpopular opinion, but if one person does it then it opens the floodgates for everyone who wants to use their characters and lawsuits against the company when they get denied. I am very sorry for Loyd Jones and his family, but it is not a personal attack to them - it is legal and copyright issue.
Exactly. Disney own the rights. Disney said no. Full stop.
Load More Replies...If all Disney were after was money, they would allow the use of their characters on tombstones, and charge a fee for them. Or better yet, sell them themselves direct to market. This is one case that's being highlighted so it seems cold, but I'm sure this is only one of millions. There's a reason they made the decision, and I think it's very decent of them to respond with an offer of the personalized cell.
This whole idea is gross. Death is not a comic. SpiderMan is imaginary and I'm sorry, but the child is gone. He doesn't care. Time to grow up. Go ahead and grieve, but put away the toys.
This wasn't about monetization, it's about opening the floodgates to 3rd party marketing - picture the funerary supplies booth at your local comiccon. One exception creates a new rule.
What amazes me, is that my whole life I associate Disney with death. Snow white loosing her mother, her stepmom made several attempts on her life. Bambi's mother in the forrest fire. Simba's dad killed by the wildebeests. And so on. All their early and present films have themes of separation, loss and death. I can imagine the complicated question the father asked. But yes spiderman is bought by Disney not created.. And my guess is any visitor/child of that cemetery will have any long time associations/trauma's by seeing spiderman on a headstone. Or that this will open the floodgate of a Disney Headstone Biz.
I understand the response from Disey. I don't think it was hurtfull or heartless. they say no and offer something for rememberance other than a Disney custom thombstone. They could have just said "no". Their decision make sense to me.
yeah I get both sides. I mean a young child died obviously no one wins in this situation. Haven’t they done people dressed up in comic characters carry the casket and stuff like that though?
Load More Replies...I am pretty sure this is not the only parent who has been in this situation but he made it public. People sometimes forget that there is a law to everything, also art. Disneys response was well explained and warm, I totally get it.
46 upvotes are the 46 lawyers Disney got on retainer at any given moment. How the *bleep* a letter saying “no” to a dead kid’s wish gonna be “warm?” Talking about law and well explained, you lawyer number 47? I hope many important things You wish for are denied in the future, but that always you’re given an explanation that’s well explained and warm so you’ll be alright. Seems fitting.
Load More Replies...As a mother, nothing would stop me from doing this if that's what my child was into. They say it would ruin their magic, but almost every single Disney movie has a death in it.... Bambi's mom, Simba's Dad, Elsa / Anna's parents, Where is Ariel's Mom? Belle's Mom? Oh dead. Snow White's Mom... dead. So don't sit there and say that it would ruin the magic. Have a friggin heart, besides, it's not like children of the masses would be visiting Ollie's grave and be like "Oh spiderman is on this grave, it's ruined" if anything they would think maybe he was protecting Ollie. Ridiculous.
-and Dumbo s Mom was beaten for defending her son.
Load More Replies...I would just get someone to make a weather-proof Spider-Man sculpture for the grave. I have seen some custom-made sculptures at graveyards decorating a boring gravestone.
Maybe they can buy a bigger action figure and install it behind a glass display incorporated within the tombstone design. I saw similar solutions in my hometown, but with sacral themed figures.
Load More Replies...I see where Disney is coming from, but I have seen headstones of Mickey and Minnie, Goofy, Cinderella, etc. Either Disney "okayed it" , or someone just ignored Disney and made it anyway.
Surely the jobsworth in the council is to blame.
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Maybe someone needs to remind Disney that they aren't the people responsible for Spider Man, I bet Stan Lee would have let them use Spider Man on the grave. I suggest you buy a nice, good quality Spider Man Figurine, and leave that at the grave, f**k disney's response. And are they also forgetting what happened in infinity war!? Lets not forget all the deaths in the comics to begin with... including MJ's death, due to Peter's radioactive sperm causing her to get cancer in one of the universes.
Find a spiderman large pillowcase and cover the grave with it. Or find something similar in ebay.
He *can't*. The last comment included in the article (by Margaret Gellatly) explains it very well, please go read that.
Load More Replies...It's not as if they only said no to them, it's the same for everyone. Yes, it would have been nice for the family but those were the wishes of Walt himself. They explained themselves correctly and I don't see a direct error from Disney's part, but I can understand the hurt of the family too. Sorry to say but I agree with Disney on this point.
They don't want Spiderman associated with death but apparently have no issues associating Spiderman with brute commercialism.
MammaG, the reason you would put a toy on a grave is because it is a way of remembering the person for who they were and what they enjoyed.
Load More Replies...I'm a bit stunned that Disney seems to have bought ALL the rights to Spider-man. That is actually rather depressing.
This is another example of "It's all about me". I feel for the parents losing their 4 year old but come on; how about the Nike symbol: you think they want their logo on a grave stone? I agree with all who posted early on. Disney was in their right and they did send condolences so they are not heartless.
Sorry, but.... nobody has the right to use or abuse something illegally because they "loved it", potentially ruining the experience for the billions of other kids, and not having a shred of understanding, just harping on the "soul-less" corporation. Disney's response was respectful and these guys showed not a hint of understanding for the millions of other fans, not to mention other grieving people who might find it disrespectful to have their loved ones buried next to a colorful childish display . Quote:"My brother’s life has been shattered, it has shattered the whole family. We can’t move on until we have his headstone done", sorry but, really? It has shattered your life more than the actual death of the boy? REALLY? Put a spiderweb on it, something that isn't copyrighted, just find a way around the tragedy! of not being able to put Spiderman on a tombstone, and ffs do not almost make Disney responsible for your child's death. Manage your grief.
Well, it doesn't surprise me, after all Disney owns Fox News, let that sink in for a moment!
Yet WB allows a string of pay by the hour motels to use Tweety's image...
Well, now everyone see the dark side of disney and still want to became disney princess. smh
This is so sad. He was only 4. Why couldn't Disney let them do it in the first place? 😭😭😭😭😭😭
are you serious?! Disney, there is a boy who absolutely LOVES Spider-Man, and there is literally a freakin' GRIEVING father, and you can't even do one thing for a kid? when you make things FOR kids? you seriously messed up Disney. make it right and just do it. its not that hard.
In my village there's a child's gravestone with the whole cast of "the Lion King" on it. It's been there for for maybe 20 years. No one ever complained. I sure hope it never get taken down for something as stupid as this. I'm a professional artist and I understand the need to protect your intellectual property but this is going too far. Show some compassion ffs.
Why do they think they're entitled to put a licensed character on a tombstone? Yes, a little boy dies and that's horrible, but lots and lots of children die every day.
is there anything inside that thick skull of yours?
Load More Replies...I would go ahead and have the tomb stone made with the text without the image of Spiderman. Then I would later go to the tombstone with a stencil of Spiderman and sandblast it in myself with a portable sand blaster, or some other etching device like a Dremel or something.
I understand the want to put something the kid loved on the tombstone. But imagine if they allowed it, people around the world would seek to take picture of the tombstone, other characters from Disney property would be up for grabbing and just imagine going to graveyard seeing diseny characters, anime characters and such. Its enough to see how Chernobyl series made INfluencers flock to Pripyat for pictures. Can you imagine how less of a privacy would graves with this on tombstone get? I think that is the reason for the "Disney doesnt want to be associated with death" sentence. Everybody knows the characters are fictional, but real world death shouldn't be exploitable. (because as somebody mentioned, fanarts are free publicity, imagine it on Graves)
And where are these big men and their big....if had money I would put Spiderman on that kids tombstone and challenge disney to sue me..a zuckenburg vs disney legal battle would be out of this world.
It would not be 'out of this world', it would be a quick lawsuit cause of 'laws'.
Load More Replies...First off there is a ton of death at disney..including like freaking luke skywalker...Disney had no problem with that character being associated with death
They aren't on tombstones!!! A movie is much different than a graveyard.
Load More Replies...I know this is old now and just seeing it, but I would be a little smart ass to that response. Yes, I do understand why Disney said what they said, but it doesn’t make it hurts less. I understand their reasoning and agree to it more with Disney specific created characters. Marvel and Star Wars characters were not created by Disney in my opinion. However, I will still respect them and appreciate the kind response. Then I would not put Spider-Man on the tombstone, but I sure would do everything else I could. Ex: Spider-Man merchandise like toy, stake in the ground with Spider-Man flag or metal-work of a Spider-Man figure. On the tombstone I would make them add colors of red and blue with images of cobwebs and a quote at the bottom (quotes are free use as long as cited) “With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility” by Spider-Man or put a picture of an actual spider that was Blue snd red. I would have found a loop hole somehow. Or secretly I would commission a art piece from online artist to draw his son swinging with Spider-Man in the city and put that picture in my living room framed.
stfu first of all its THERE CHARACTER and 2nd of all disney did it to preserve the inncence of there characters do you think spider man on a GRAVE STONE is innocent?!
Before disney bought the charater this would have been allowed. What are they going to do tear down the tomb stones that went up before they bought it. This policy should NOT extend to charters created by other people and bought by disney. Dear disney you didnt make that.
~This is just horrible. Yes I am aware that copyright and all that s**t but that's just being a complete d**k to your audience age. If anything, Disney should've just let them have the child's dying wish because Disney is all about "making dreams/wishes come true!" so why the f*** did they not make this dying boy's wish come true. I personally don't like Marvel but this isn't about me it's about a poor boy who was let down by a huge company who are too stubborn to even let one child at least have anything he loved to be there to watch over him. Also, Disney not wanting to brand their characters with death? Bulls**t! I can name almost every death in almost every Disney movie and they cover it up with magic and pretty princesses. I loved Disney but this makes me f***ing sick! (Yeah I'm making sure if my friend or anybody close gets a special burial and if the people don't like it they can kiss my a*s I'm not budging)~
this was such a sad article and I see both sides of the story and agree with both sides...but its WAYYYYY to early to be making nazi jokes. As a jew myself I think that was terrible, comparing a company that's trying not to lose it's business. to a heartless army that killed 6 million jews, and did so much more.
You know, you have to recognize evil while it is still in its infancy...
Load More Replies...It is so ironic that the company that has been accused many times of the theft of artists' works (including Walt Disney himself, who stole the figure of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit) refuses to use the image of the character that bought not created. Disney had a lot of lawsuits because he steadily steals the work of artists-fans and uses them to create gadgets on which he later earns millions. In addition, Walt Disney forbade the use of fairy-tale characters to not be associated with death, but Spiderman is a comics character. Shame on you, Disney!
The problem is that they really can't do it because it opens up the can of worms on people using it for more and more things. Now, there's no reason THEN, that they can't create a tombstone FOR him since they own the right, and give it to the family as a gift, or even a discounted purchase.
So the Council couldn't because of the copyright laws, granted. So have someone make a cover out of fabric or plastic and slip it over the headstone. It's a personal use, not covered by copyright laws and it's just you decorating your child's grave which absolves the Council of any legal responsibility.
Snow white's mother, her stepmother kept wanting her dead. Dumbo's mother. Bambi's mother. Cinderella's mother. Old freakin Yeller. Beauty's father. Simba's father. Nemo's mother. BOTH parents in Frozen. Moana's grandmother. Everyone on Coco. And many others. But yeah, Disney, you aren't about death and dying. Hypocrites.
I would look for a "generic" type graphic, that resembles Spiderman to a point. I'm sure there are many out there.
In my pre-author life, I used to paint murals in kids' rooms for a living. The Princesses and Winnie the Pooh characters were really popular designs. I always had to alter little details about them just to avoid the potential lawsuits. I'd heard Disney was ruthless about it.
Wouldn't allowing the gravestone put Disney in a positive light and improve their relations with their fan base thus creating more revenue due to the extra respect gained from such a heartfelt gesture? It's not like they are short of money
No. You see Disney gravestones and think there's nothing sacred. You've commercialized death
Load More Replies...I find it ironic that Disney only SHARES ownership with Marvel and Sony but they still claim it as if Walt Disney himself created the character, yet they act like they OWN IT ALL! I love Disney but they really p**s me off!!!!
It’s a slipery slope for Disney, if they allow this poor dad to create that headstone, it sets legal precedent for others to use Disney characters as they like, abusing their copyright in other ways, which could ultimately lead to their copyrighted characters being associated with things they don’t want to be associated with. It looks shady in this exact situation, but in the broader picture, which big companies like Disney always have to consider, I can understand why they handled it the way they did. There’s lots of other ways the dad could honor his son through Spiderman. He just have to be creative.
First, Spiderman is not a Disney character but a Marvel creation. Walt Disney's edict , nearly 70 years old, was for his stable and not intended for action franchise figures of bought along with their studios in the 21st century. (Name me three people who think of Spiderman as a Disney original.) Second, Spiderman IS associated with death. The death of his parents, the murder of Uncle Ben and the deaths of his girlfriend's father, his girlfriend, the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus etc. Spiderman himself has died more than once on the page and only two years ago, memorably, on screen: the audience saw him disintegrate before their eyes. Death is part of the genre, as are violence, mass destruction etc. Disney may current hold the copyright but their explanation is a crock and their all too typical response (replicate warmth and fake understanding) is corporate spin at its most artful and nauseating.
Spiderman character is original marvel not Disney. You could argue it wasn't an original Disney character therefore not obligated to follow the rule. I'm surprised to see how many poor judgement Disney has made lately. Maybe should consider changing of the management ;)
Disney has always fed on the art work and lore of others. Disney has appropriated so many stories from every time and culture and, IMO made a mess of them, and they now pretend that they own them. Example; Zoltan Korda s 'The Jungle Book' put to film in 1942 is a beautiful movie and nothing at all to do with Disney.
Dear Disney, obviously stung by such delicate matter but what about the copyright infringement that's happening just now, in mybe some southern asiatic sweat shop, with children making fake Spiderman action figures and other related material ? There are gazillions of bootleg toys and paraphernalia out there and not only from Disney...
And what if you just don't ask permission and get it made anyway? Is Disney going to take the stone of this boys grave? Don't think so. Sometimes it's better not to ask things and just do them...
Real artists won't steal others' work or infringe on copyrights.
Load More Replies...As a marketing person I get protecting the brand. I think MOST companies would deny a request for use of their branding on a tombstone (or a car or a building or any other outside use). The funny part though is the "we don't want our characters associated with death" line. Don't they kill off multiple beloved characters - mother's, fathers, friends, etc. in their cartoons marketed toward even their youngest viewers/fans?!?!
I think Disney's response was sensitive and compassionate, while still maintaining their policy on the matter.
I'd go the underground black-market tombstone route. Will the cemetery be sued if one is just installed there some night? Will Disney sue someone? Who? The father? I would simply love for that to happen. Donations to the father would support his legal fees, while the world watches Disney's lawyers go into court everyday suing a grieving dad. Since no one is making money off of this, and it is on private property, will Disney even know?
I was thinking the same thing as the artist who painted Ariel in a Remembrance Book. Just slightly alter it and you can do it.
So go ahead and steal and violate the copyright, just pretend you're not?
Load More Replies..."Ohhhh yeah. Ummm, sorry we won't let you use Spider-Man on the little boy's gravestone, but hey! Here ya go! Have a one of a kind cool hand-inked cell with a personal message that you all can hang on the wall to remind you every day of how f*cking callus, heartless, and utterly greedy we are. Have a great day!" ~ Disney Corporation probably.
The time for trolls like you is over. That chip on your shoulder must be getting bigger every day.
It doesn't matter that it's law. It's wrong. Law has nothing to do with ethics or morals.
Unpopular opinion, but if one person does it then it opens the floodgates for everyone who wants to use their characters and lawsuits against the company when they get denied. I am very sorry for Loyd Jones and his family, but it is not a personal attack to them - it is legal and copyright issue.
Exactly. Disney own the rights. Disney said no. Full stop.
Load More Replies...If all Disney were after was money, they would allow the use of their characters on tombstones, and charge a fee for them. Or better yet, sell them themselves direct to market. This is one case that's being highlighted so it seems cold, but I'm sure this is only one of millions. There's a reason they made the decision, and I think it's very decent of them to respond with an offer of the personalized cell.
This whole idea is gross. Death is not a comic. SpiderMan is imaginary and I'm sorry, but the child is gone. He doesn't care. Time to grow up. Go ahead and grieve, but put away the toys.
This wasn't about monetization, it's about opening the floodgates to 3rd party marketing - picture the funerary supplies booth at your local comiccon. One exception creates a new rule.
What amazes me, is that my whole life I associate Disney with death. Snow white loosing her mother, her stepmom made several attempts on her life. Bambi's mother in the forrest fire. Simba's dad killed by the wildebeests. And so on. All their early and present films have themes of separation, loss and death. I can imagine the complicated question the father asked. But yes spiderman is bought by Disney not created.. And my guess is any visitor/child of that cemetery will have any long time associations/trauma's by seeing spiderman on a headstone. Or that this will open the floodgate of a Disney Headstone Biz.
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