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No country is without sin. And nobody has a clean slate. There are a lot of unpalatable secrets lurking in any country’s history and present. Even though it might be uncomfortable dragging them into the spotlight, acknowledging these less-than-savory facts is the first step to solving the issues in the first place.
The redditors living in Europe opened up about the dark facts about their home countries in a brutally honest thread over on r/AskEurope. These facts might not be for everyone, so fair warning, some of the things you might read are darker than dark.
If you’d like to share some lesser-known dark secrets about your home country, Pandas, you can do so in the comment section once you’re done reading this list.
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#1
Spain.
During the Francoist regime, many single mothers were told their newborn children were dead. They weren’t allowed to see the corpse, and the baby, which wasn’t dead, was given to a married couple. Many years later, the graves of many of these supposedly dead babies were found to be empty. This was done with the absolute cooperation of the Catholic church.
Ivan Stojnov 2 years ago
Not just given. SOLD BY CATHOLIC CURCH. They took about 50.000 babies in less then 3 decades and made BILLIONS !!
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#2
England. I don’t know how unknown this is but Alan Turing who helped to break Nazis’ enigma code was arrested for being gay and was chemically castrated by the government he helped years ago. He was banned from GCHQ and the US which greatly effected his career. He killed himself in 1954.
Guy MacGregor 2 years ago
This is a well known fact. They even made a movie about it starring Benedict Counterstrike
Kamelion 2 years ago
Please learn to spell Mr. Crispysnitch's name correctly
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Fay Kneuse 2 years ago
He was only very recently pardoned, posthumously, by the Queen. This wasn't until 2013.
Betsy Novack 2 years ago
Well I'll bet that made his day. No harm, no foul. Think of all the people who are automatically dismissed by narrow mi fed assholes
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Rosemary Probert 2 years ago
Of course they were, it's just that when you are a member of the establishment, politicians, aristocracy, royalty etc it is easier to conceal. There is one rule for them and another for us lesser mortals.
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Angel Llamas 2 years ago
Roumors say that he killed himself by eating a poisoned apple. Thats why the Apple logo is like that, in his memory.
Wang Zhuang 2 years ago
Brilliant man, the father of AI. I actually didn't know about the castration, wow
Roxy Eastland 2 years ago
His treatment was appalling and brings shame on the UK
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Q B F T 2 years ago
Not that unknown when you make a blockbuster about it. What about your genocidal Churchill? Also not that unknown, but seems to get little Englander's backs up a lot more when you point out what a p.o.s. he was...
ZAPanda 2 years ago (edited)
Pretty much. Let's see. 400s - 800s - saxons massacreing celts. 800s-1000 - vikings massacreing saxons. 1066 - french massacreing saxons. 1066-1500s - various civil wars. 1509-ish. Henry 8, famous for killing his wives because he was a patriarchal piece of s**t. 1500s-1600s - witch hunts and start of colonialism particularly americas, scotland and ireland. 1700s - 1900s colonialism and genocides of native populations in victim countries across the entire world. 1900s+ anti-feminism (finally partly eradicated), persistent racism (at least till the colonies got independence), but somewhat continuous, witness Brexit (xenophobia). 2000s - America's minion of evil in unprovoked invasions of muslim countries. Yeah basically a s**t country.
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Teresa Stabler 2 years ago
I don't care how you feel about homosexuality, murder and electroshock "therapy" are not acceptable.
Joan Zatorski 2 years ago
We humans do some pretty despicable things in the name of the "greater good". This story makes me feel so ashamed of our species.
Your Life Sucks 2 years ago
Wow, that's insane, I never knew this. Also to clarify, Wikipedia says he died by cyanide poisoning which could have been an accident but it was probably suicide
Marcellus the Third 2 years ago
I'd go with "invented concentration camps" as often-overlooked fact, not with something that's recently remembered a lot due to movies and memorials and a public apology etc.
APL 2 years ago (edited)
Also not true. The Spanish invented concentration camps in 1896. The British first used them in the Second Boer War, which started in 1899.
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#3
In Italy a r*pist could marry his victim to avoid any legal persecution (this practice was called "matrimonio riparatore"). The women were pressed to accept the marriage to avoid social shame. Franca Viola, in 1948, was the first woman to refuse to marry her r*pist, but this practice was abolished by law only in 1981.
User u/AkruX explained that they were inspired to create the thread on r/AskEurope after learning that their home country, the Czech Republic (aka Czechia), was at one point ranked the third-worst slavery haven in the entirety of Europe. They were completely shocked by this.
Very recently, Bored Panda spoke to Brooke Burris, who chairs the Tri-County Human Trafficking Task Force in the Charleston area in South Carolina. She went into detail with us about human trafficking. It’s a deep-seated problem that is global, not located in just any one or two countries.
According to Brooke, people care about fighting against human trafficking more when they realize that it’s a local problem.
#4
Sweden used to treat Sami natives in northen Sweden as second class citizens for the longest time and we barely learn about it in school. As late as the 70s Sami children were still forcefully taken from their Sami parents and adopted by Swedish parents to ”make them Swedish”
#5
Norway. How terrible we have suppressed the Sami people and how we forcefully assimilated them in order to “fit in” with the “Norwegian culture”. And how the racism against them still exist very much to this day. They are still treated horrible by Norwegians and we are barely learned anything about their history in our schools.
#6
Poland is ranked as the most homophobic country in the EU
"The U.S. Dept. of State has recognized that trafficking is a global problem, solved on the local level through a multidisciplinary response. The more local one's focus on the nature and prevalence of the issue, the better and truer understanding one will have as to both (1) the scale of trafficking and (2) how they specifically can take ownership of the problem and become a part of the solution,” she explained.
The expert noted that human trafficking is a far broader and more complex problem than it’s presented in movies.
"Kidnapping and using physical force/coercion is only one means by which a trafficker can control a victim," she said.
#7
NOBODY answered from the USA!? SO MANY...but I've always thought that how the land was taken from the original inhabitants one of the worst things this 'land of the free' has done.
The massacres, the forced relocations, the infecting with smallpox, the loss of their identity as independent peoples...the list just goes on.
Continued up until taking Hawaii away from the ruling monarchy in the 1800's.
Final score:
243points
Guy MacGregor 2 years ago
No one haven't because it is such a recent and new nation there aren't much in the end. (Not saying there isn't at all, but their history is still quite short, and nothing they did hasn't been done before by others.)
#8
Australia. Basically everything to do with the First Nations/Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. Mostly the stolen generations but there was a whole lot more f*cked up sh*t.
Caro Caro 2 years ago (edited)
The stories about stolen generations is so terribly sad and heartbreaking. Children ripped away from their mothers arms to be brought up by others (whites). This has caused so much damage it's indescribable. https://www.commonground.org.au/learn/the-stolen-generations#:~:text=The%20Stolen%20Generations%20refers%20to,through%20a%20policy%20of%20assimilation.
#9
Turkey. There is overwhelming violence against women in Turkey. And the first thing [anyone] asks: well, what was she wearing?, what is she doing there this late?
"In fact, according to a report of prosecuted sex trafficking cases in the U.S., 59% of coercive tactics used by traffickers were non-physical, compared to 41% of tactics involving physical coercion. Further, transportation is merely one type of action used by a trafficker,” Brooke told us.
Though it’s unlikely that human trafficking will be fully rooted out globally or in any particular country, it is vital to limit its scope.
“Until the Lord comes, I think evil will always exist in our world. Therefore, if I'm honest, I don't think we will be able to eradicate human trafficking entirely," Brooke said that it’s important to keep fighting injustice, but it’s equally vital to be realistic about the scope of the problem.
#10
Spain is only second to Cambodia for missing persons cases that were never resolved.
There is a government run online search tool for finding mass graves.
#11
France. Forced sterilization of intellectually disabled people was a very common thing until the early 2000s. There's now a law requiring consent since 2001, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn forced sterilization still happens.
Ausrine Ciapaite 2 years ago
Actually I heard of this happening in Lithuania to this day. The reason why? Because when a mentally disabled person lives in a mixed-sexes institution, it's impossible to keep them away and romance does happen more often than you think. (I don't know what happens to same sex institution). Unfortunately people there often don't realise they should use birth control ( because of their permeant mental conditions). The person is unable to care for their child so the baby would end up in an orphanage which would hurt both: parents and the child. I know it's a controversial topic and it's hard to decide what is right or wrong here.
#12
Portugal has massive problem with domestic violence (including femicide and child abuse). Strict catholic patriarchy was THE rule until 1974, so it's still hanging around in older generations and trickling down on their descendants. And most offenders get off with a slap on the wrist because we still have courts full of old ass judges.
#13
I think many people, that don't live in german-speaking countries, don't know that Austria was a fascist dictatorship for 4 years before the Anschluss
ADHORTATOR 2 years ago
they surrendered without firing one shot in 1938 and embraced the Nazis...after the war they considered themself as the first victims of Nazi Germany....
#14
Huge collaboration of Dutch people during WW2 , snitching where people were hiding. Supporting the Nazis, joining the forces.
The Dutch railway company (NS) transported Jews, Sinti and Roma to Germany.
Royal Dutch Shell reported their jewish employees to the Nazis to be deported.
Mr Zipperface 2 years ago
All occupied countries had an element of collaboration, collaborators were mostly looking out for themselves although there was a lot of score settling too, people are people the world over.
#15
Netherlands. In 1620, the Dutch East India Company committed genocide on the people on the Indonesian Banda Islands, under the flag of the Dutch fleet. Murdered 95% of the population as punishment. Their crime? Selling nutmeg to the Portuguese and the English.
I don't even like nutmeg that much. Their population still isn't at the level it was before the genocide.
#16
In Ireland we were under such control of the Catholic church until 2000s. Our constitution was drawn up with their approval and still says that women have a role in the home. Anyway the control of the church meant that the church got away with shielding and transferring paedophile priests ( well known). The not so well known was the following three things outside Ireland are:
Mother and baby homes - This was where unwed mothers were brought. They were a shamed, has their children taken away. The children either died or were adopted illegally to Irish and American families. They also burned their records and one in Tuam Co Galway dumped the bodies of many children who died in a septic tank (tank where sewage is stored from houses not connected to the main sewage system).
Magdalene Laundries - this was where runways and some troubles were brought. They were slaves in a laundry and received nothing and were treated terribly and the religious orders made money off the backs of this slavery. The last one wasn't closed till the 90s which is messed up.
Also corporal punishment in schools until the late 60s early 70s especially in industrial schools (some of which were for troubled boys and the abuse there was messed up.
So yes we have a dark past. Now it makes sense why there are few young Catholics in Ireland. We don't mention it much but we know and it makes me ashamed and I'm 25.
XenoMurph 2 years ago
In my school we had a "priest" who had been moved for "accusations". And was moved from our school for a similar thing. But he was badly beaten, as he was coming out of the church one night. The story was that he was mugged and the contributions were stolen but we all thought if was for other reasons. This was late 80s as things were starting to change. The catholic church was losing support fast by then as the stories were coming out. Father Ted had a big effect on breaking the spell the church held over the country.
#17
Germany. Female genital mutilation in Germany. It makes me incredibly angry as it is an more or less unpunished crime for decades now and nothing is done really.
Every few years, when sombody decides to report about it measures are announced, but nothing will be really done.
Caro Caro 2 years ago (edited)
This is because the immigrants from certain countries mutilate their young girls mostly when on holiday... Unfortunately it's hard to prove and control. I think it would help if the women were better educated and taught about the consequences (bodily harm and legal). Some mothers don't want this for their daughters but are pressured by relatives... It's terribly sad.
#18
Russia. Most Russians actually support their government and especially Putin
#19
The regional languages in France were progressively replaced by French from 1789. Only a few are still remaining (mostly those who aren't understandable by a French speaker, like Breton, Basque, Corsican, Alsatian, Francoprovençal etc.) but apparently more than 90% of our regional languages are now dead. You only find them in regional accents.
#20
Georgia. State of LGBT rights. They are non-existent, you can easily get killed by religious people and nobody will give a sh*t.
#21
France. I'd say war against colonised Algeria. It is really a shameful thing involving war crimes, torture, ... A lot of veterans won't talk about it because of how ashamed they feel.
Look it up.
#22
Lithuania often ranks among the top countries by suicide rates. It's like ~1/4000 lithunians is gonna kill themselves.
Firstname Lastname 2 years ago
Population as of 2020 was 2.795 million according to google, so that's nearly 700 lives voluntarily lost.
#23
United Kingdom.
King Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathiser; he and his wife visited Germany in the 30s to have dinner with Hitler and inspect SS troops.
In the 60s, he is believed to have said to a friend: "I never thought Hitler was such a bad chap."
#24
Romania. A few years back there was a scandal of a pediatric doctor that did extremely painful medical experiments on children he was supposed to be treating, such as putting a metal rod near their backs and putting screws into their spines to "fix" scoliosis or something similar with bones he considered weren't growing properly. He mostly targeted poor families, or families with kids with weird conditions because he figured they wouldn't be able to or have the power to question his practices.
Also the fact that it's been revealed several orphanages drug the kids there and tie them to their beds to keep them compliant.
I've also read a religious article of an "exorcism" that was performed on a little kid they called posessed because "he would suddenly go very still and start shaking violently" (to anyone with a brain it's obvious he was just seizing). Instead of following the procedure for a seizure, which is making sure he isn't in danger of hurting himself by bashing his head or something, they rushed him to a church and placed him on the floor there (and it wasn't a soft floor by any means).
Or the fact that we've had gay people thrown in prison for being gay several years after communism fell (I think either late 90's or even early 00's).
Or, not that sinister but just plain stupid and more recent: the church brought "moase" (aka remains of "saints") during the current pandemic and hundreds of people just lined up to kiss them, all on the same spot too :) (it's a /s smile, don't get me wrong).
UpupaEpops 2 years ago
According to the Romanian Orthodox Church, epilepsy is considered a demonic possession and depression is a sign of lack of faith.
#25
Switzerland.
"Verdingkinder" basically orphans used as slavelabor. They were often mistreated.
There is a movie about it if anyone is intrested
#26
In Ireland homosexuality was only decriminalised in 1993, after a 16 year legal battle which ended up in the European Court of Human Rights in 1988 (it took 5 years to implement the courts ruling).
#27
I guess colonization is a dark time for many countries, in Denmark is was no different, but often you talk about the islands is the Caribbean or Africa, but the treatment of Greenlandic people has been absolutely horrible in Denmark.
They have been treated 2. rank citizens, and everything was dictated from Denmark and they had little to no say in it. Still I have heard that higher education in Greenland is taught in Danish not Greenlandic, but they might have changed that?
#28
Turkey. The years 1980-1983 were very dark years for Turkey - a paranoid nationalist military junta coupled with guerilla warfare in the countryside and massive political repression. Add torture in military prisons, kangaroo courts, and state-funded assassinations to that.
Pardon my French, but the bastard who caused all that died before his jail sentence was approved.
#29
Greece. We are the only country in EU where the Sharia law is still legal.
anarkzie 2 years ago
I'm not saying this is not true, as I do not know the facts but this really sounds like b.s. Sharia law is not even 100% practiced in most majority Islamic countries. The far right in the UK makes the same claims over here and what it actually amounts to is Islamic courts of arbitration dealing with Muslims weddings, which are not recognised by UK law on account of a marriage being between 2 people over here, not 1 man and 4 women.
#30
Italy, as many by now know, is a f****d up burocratical nightmare.
Until 1981 there was a law called "Delitto D'Onore" (= Crime in name of someones honor) that stated that people found guilty of kiling someone to maintain the familys reputation would be given a lesser conviction than someone found guilty for the same crime but for other reasons.
If a woman was found committing adultery, it was "legal" to kill her (and her lover in some instances). Of course no one batted an eye when the cheater was the husband. It was extended to families too, the brother or the father could kill a sister/daughter they found out she had an unwedded sexual relationship (EVEN IF SHE WAS SINGLE).
The most (yeah, even more) messed up part was that until 1930 (yeah they realised this was not a top notch idea earlier but still) the husband could kill the children if he knew they weren't his. (there was a weird legal part where they could be killed only if they were less than 5 days old or wasn't registred by the state Register... like AH WELL THAT MAKES IT REASONABLE)
I repeat, the law for Honors Killing was in place until 1981!!
And some people still act as if it was reasonable. No wonders we struggle to eradicate what we call "femminicidio" (=femalemurder, is a term used for the death of women that could be prevented if laws against abuse in marriages/relationship was taken seriously and action taken promptly) to this day.
Final score:
78points
AnnaBanana 2 years ago
I never knew this was a thing in Italy. Middle East and south east Asia, yes. Italy...no.
#31
I don't know if it's not known but Italy passed racial laws during WWII.
More recent: the "trattativa stato mafia" aka "state-mafia negotiations" in 1993 and 1994.
Essentially it was a secret negotiation between very high government figures and Sicilian Mafia chiefs, at the end of the "massacre season" in which Mafia carried out literal terrorist attacks, since there was a very strong battle against them carried out by the Palermo group (pool di Palermo).
The prosecutors Falcone and Borsellino died at the end of the massacre season, after they hit hard the Sicilians with the Maxiprocesso (aka Mega-Trial)
What do you think ?
Roxy Eastland 2 years ago
I don't know how well known the recent Windrush scandal is outside of the UK, but this was the first time I felt an actual burning shame for being British. After the second world war we *begged* people from the Caribbean, especially Jamaica, that were part of the Empire, to come over to the UK and fill all the many vacancies we needed, from bus drivers to nurses. They were told that they were legally British citizens and that as such they didn't need to have passports to live in Britain. The famous ship that brought in a large group was called the Windrush. Then a handful of years ago the government decided that the descendants of the Windrush generation needed to prove their right to remain or else they'd be deported. After all Jamaica is a separate country, right? Some people actually did get deported. They were dumped in a country that they had no more connection to than I do, with no job, no friends, and no family that they knew of. Absolutely disgraceful and shameful.
Roxy Eastland 2 years ago
I saw at my dining table with a friend that was thanking God that her grandmother was a bit paranoid and had arranged documents for that side of the family, even though everyone told her she was wasting her time and not to bother.
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Elliot Fowler 2 years ago
In Saudi Arabia, the treatment of foreign workers (especially those from south Asia) is inhuman and degrading. It is common for people to be cursed, shouted at and even physically beaten for almost no reason at all.
Queen fhk 2 years ago
As shared by experienced victim of racism, the racism towards east Asians and Africans are worst . Tbh Arabs can be more racist than whites
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UpupaEpops 2 years ago
Europe is an incredibly diverse place. Unfortunately, most (if not all) countries are named after the ethnic majority of the given country and most (if not all) treat their indigenous minorities like garbage. This is rarely if ever discussed because most discussions about racism revolve around the black-white divide. People can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that white people can be victims of systemic oppression from other whites.
Leo Domitrix 2 years ago
I was told in the UK to avoid speaking Polish in some areas, and my in-laws do not view me as "really white" b/c my mother is Polish. So, yeah. I can grasp that.
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Katherine Boag 2 years ago
NZ: until the 1990s it was illegal to speak Maori (one of our official languages) in prison. Note: due to inherent racism in the legal and justice system, Maori people are imprisoned at a much higher rate than their representation in the general population.
B-b-bird 2 years ago (edited)
How about The Norwegian child protection service Barnevernet? Children of expats are MASSIVELY kidnapped from their families (on false pretenses of abuse) and placed in Norwegian families, scattered around foster care/houses. And it is reality today, not some ghost from the past. How much longer it will be going on? Among population of 5 mln, Barnevernet has 400 offices across all Norway, billions and billions of dollars are being put into this. Pure child trafficking. Disgusting!
MimSorensson 2 years ago (edited)
I’m sorry, what? Where on earth did this information come from? It wouldn’t be a part of the massive hate attack on child protection services that has plagued parts of scandinavia for a while now, perhaps? Norway isn’t trafficking any damned children, stop it.
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Vanessa 2 years ago
Why is Canada not on this list?! The atrocities committed against Indigenous people that continues to this day. So far, only 10 residential schools have been searched and the number of unmarked Indigenous children's graves are up to 10,028! There was more than 130 "schools" in Canada. There is also the high rate of Indigenous women and girls who go missing or murdered, and rcmp don't do a GD thing. Then there is the lack of clean water to more than 70 Indigenous reservations. Access to clean drinking water is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, not a privilege. But out PM is out in the world, committing 100's of millions to Ukraine in light of their crisis (don't get me wrong, I support the effort.) Our government needs to fix our own problems and start rectifying these issues.
Patrick O'Harris 2 years ago
Germany has not one but two genocides on their record. The shoa is the better know one, but during colonialism germans killed around 60.000 of the 80.000 Herero and Nama in "German South West Africa".
Aeon Decker 2 years ago
I am gay and it's even difficult where I live.to the extent that when,,,hum how to put this a block of flats got bought and repopulated with polish people i had to move. Never had a problem with muslim people or some very fundamental Christians, but these people. And from personal experience i know that some sell children into prostitution blue curtains if you want a boy pink for girls yellow for both. There was a job i poland once. It was one of the reasons i stayed in the closet for so long.and a government is not going to change their mind .
Jo Choto 2 years ago
Human greed and desire for power and wealth has resulted in our species committing the most heinous acts imaginable. I sometimes think we'd be better off going back to a system of small communities running themselves, led by people trusted by the townsfolk and a limit to how many people can be part of a community.
2022emmam trent 2 years ago
Another one no one mentioned about the US is that we made Hawaii a state by manipulating them in the worst way possible. They slowly brought in Americans to buy land and the king, whose name I can't remember, was so oblivious while the Americans whispered ideas to him, telling him that only land owners should vote for rules and when somebody finally decided that they should vote on whether or not Hawaii should join the US, the majority of land owners were American so of course they voted that they should join. All because they wanted to make sugar from the sugar cane that growed there. Not only was this low of America, it was illegal.
kowi_gal 2 years ago
because most people in West aren't that interested in Asian history.. and they generally love Japan. Someone literally told me, a Korean living in NZ, "Koreans should just get over what Japan did and move on. I love Japan, it's a cool country" Imagine telling a Jewish person to get over what Nazi Germany did to them.. sigh.
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Martin Forbes 2 years ago
The Highland Clearances in the highlands of Scotland seems not to have been spoken about, unless I've missed that post. Clan Chieftains took those living on their lands and turned them in slave labour, then brought in sheep for the Chieftains to use and exploit the local workforce, rendering the sheep more profitable than their own people. Many Scottish families living on or near the West Coast of Scotland were 'invited' to a meeting place where the Chieftain and his Sheriff Officers would explain matters in more detail. When they left the building, they saw their homes and crofts on fire and were told that ships were waiting for them to take them to the New World, America or Canada, the only possessions they had were what they were carrying that day. Further inland, crofts were confiscated, the local population starved to the point that they had no option to leave and be 'escorted' by Sheriff Officers to waiting ships in other countries. The UK government backed this 100%.
Carl 2 years ago (edited)
in Colombia members of the military had poor or mentally impaired civilians, mostly poor farmers and homeless people, lured to remote parts of the country with offers of work, killed them, and presented them to authorities as members of guerilla/terrorist groups FARC and ELN killed in battle, in an effort to inflate body counts and receive promotions or other benefits. This happened during the presidency of Alvaro Uribe and was brushed off by the government as part of the armed conflict between the government and guerilla groups FARC and ELN. They have found huge mass graves full of these people all over the country. Also many mayors and members of congress who spoke up about this were assassinated or died under "mysterious circumstances". You can google "false positives Colombia" if you'd like to learn more about this.
JJ 2 years ago
Germany: 1) Until 1997 it was legally okay if a man raped his wife because they were married and it was considered to be her marital duty. 2) Until 2000 it was legally okay for parents to physically "punish" children. Since then it is forbidden, though some people still do it (though then child protective services come into play and have various ways to help children and their families). I think 2) is really nasty because even before 2000 it was forbidden and likely punishable to do physically assault and harm another adult - but harming your child was considered okay.
Francisco Alonso 2 years ago
The " Guerra cristera" in Mexico. The government banned all religions and they killed priests and people who defended their religion. It lasted 3 years in the 1920s.
Basil Adler! (he/him) 2 years ago
We’re known for being a polite and simple country but Canada has a pretty dark history. Residential schools and the “Indian act” are prime examples of how my countrys government treated Indigenous peoples. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/residential-schools. Over 4,118 Indigenous children were killed there, often buried alive :[ “The Indian Act attempted to generalize a vast and varied population of people and assimilate them into non-Indigenous society. It forbade First Nations peoples and communities from expressing their identities through governance and culture” - The Canadian Encyclopedia
Anjelika 2 years ago
Spain while it says on paper that it is one of the most accepting countries, it has alot of homophobia as well , something that has become worse, the hate speeches and crimes have been increasing lately, the romani are treated like second class citizens as well, racism, xenophobia etc
Mariele Scherzinger 2 years ago
I talked about this with my students. Is there a country which does not have a dark past? We came up with Iceland. (Not sure if it is true though - I don't know enough about its history...)
Kesam 2 years ago (edited)
So a lot of countries are (rightfully) criticized for "helping the nazis" but there's no mention of Germany itself in that context? I think if you ask me about a European country with a dark past, Germany would spring to mind first. 😉
Q B F T 2 years ago
The original post was "dark facts about your country that not many people know about".... Think Nazi Germany is fairly well-known.
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Roxy Eastland 2 years ago
I don't know how well known the recent Windrush scandal is outside of the UK, but this was the first time I felt an actual burning shame for being British. After the second world war we *begged* people from the Caribbean, especially Jamaica, that were part of the Empire, to come over to the UK and fill all the many vacancies we needed, from bus drivers to nurses. They were told that they were legally British citizens and that as such they didn't need to have passports to live in Britain. The famous ship that brought in a large group was called the Windrush. Then a handful of years ago the government decided that the descendants of the Windrush generation needed to prove their right to remain or else they'd be deported. After all Jamaica is a separate country, right? Some people actually did get deported. They were dumped in a country that they had no more connection to than I do, with no job, no friends, and no family that they knew of. Absolutely disgraceful and shameful.
Roxy Eastland 2 years ago
I saw at my dining table with a friend that was thanking God that her grandmother was a bit paranoid and had arranged documents for that side of the family, even though everyone told her she was wasting her time and not to bother.
Load More Replies... Elliot Fowler 2 years ago
In Saudi Arabia, the treatment of foreign workers (especially those from south Asia) is inhuman and degrading. It is common for people to be cursed, shouted at and even physically beaten for almost no reason at all.
Queen fhk 2 years ago
As shared by experienced victim of racism, the racism towards east Asians and Africans are worst . Tbh Arabs can be more racist than whites
Load More Replies... UpupaEpops 2 years ago
Europe is an incredibly diverse place. Unfortunately, most (if not all) countries are named after the ethnic majority of the given country and most (if not all) treat their indigenous minorities like garbage. This is rarely if ever discussed because most discussions about racism revolve around the black-white divide. People can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that white people can be victims of systemic oppression from other whites.
Leo Domitrix 2 years ago
I was told in the UK to avoid speaking Polish in some areas, and my in-laws do not view me as "really white" b/c my mother is Polish. So, yeah. I can grasp that.
Load More Replies... Katherine Boag 2 years ago
NZ: until the 1990s it was illegal to speak Maori (one of our official languages) in prison. Note: due to inherent racism in the legal and justice system, Maori people are imprisoned at a much higher rate than their representation in the general population.
B-b-bird 2 years ago (edited)
How about The Norwegian child protection service Barnevernet? Children of expats are MASSIVELY kidnapped from their families (on false pretenses of abuse) and placed in Norwegian families, scattered around foster care/houses. And it is reality today, not some ghost from the past. How much longer it will be going on? Among population of 5 mln, Barnevernet has 400 offices across all Norway, billions and billions of dollars are being put into this. Pure child trafficking. Disgusting!
MimSorensson 2 years ago (edited)
I’m sorry, what? Where on earth did this information come from? It wouldn’t be a part of the massive hate attack on child protection services that has plagued parts of scandinavia for a while now, perhaps? Norway isn’t trafficking any damned children, stop it.
Load More Replies... Vanessa 2 years ago
Why is Canada not on this list?! The atrocities committed against Indigenous people that continues to this day. So far, only 10 residential schools have been searched and the number of unmarked Indigenous children's graves are up to 10,028! There was more than 130 "schools" in Canada. There is also the high rate of Indigenous women and girls who go missing or murdered, and rcmp don't do a GD thing. Then there is the lack of clean water to more than 70 Indigenous reservations. Access to clean drinking water is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, not a privilege. But out PM is out in the world, committing 100's of millions to Ukraine in light of their crisis (don't get me wrong, I support the effort.) Our government needs to fix our own problems and start rectifying these issues.
Patrick O'Harris 2 years ago
Germany has not one but two genocides on their record. The shoa is the better know one, but during colonialism germans killed around 60.000 of the 80.000 Herero and Nama in "German South West Africa".
Aeon Decker 2 years ago
I am gay and it's even difficult where I live.to the extent that when,,,hum how to put this a block of flats got bought and repopulated with polish people i had to move. Never had a problem with muslim people or some very fundamental Christians, but these people. And from personal experience i know that some sell children into prostitution blue curtains if you want a boy pink for girls yellow for both. There was a job i poland once. It was one of the reasons i stayed in the closet for so long.and a government is not going to change their mind .
Jo Choto 2 years ago
Human greed and desire for power and wealth has resulted in our species committing the most heinous acts imaginable. I sometimes think we'd be better off going back to a system of small communities running themselves, led by people trusted by the townsfolk and a limit to how many people can be part of a community.
2022emmam trent 2 years ago
Another one no one mentioned about the US is that we made Hawaii a state by manipulating them in the worst way possible. They slowly brought in Americans to buy land and the king, whose name I can't remember, was so oblivious while the Americans whispered ideas to him, telling him that only land owners should vote for rules and when somebody finally decided that they should vote on whether or not Hawaii should join the US, the majority of land owners were American so of course they voted that they should join. All because they wanted to make sugar from the sugar cane that growed there. Not only was this low of America, it was illegal.
kowi_gal 2 years ago
because most people in West aren't that interested in Asian history.. and they generally love Japan. Someone literally told me, a Korean living in NZ, "Koreans should just get over what Japan did and move on. I love Japan, it's a cool country" Imagine telling a Jewish person to get over what Nazi Germany did to them.. sigh.
Load More Replies... Martin Forbes 2 years ago
The Highland Clearances in the highlands of Scotland seems not to have been spoken about, unless I've missed that post. Clan Chieftains took those living on their lands and turned them in slave labour, then brought in sheep for the Chieftains to use and exploit the local workforce, rendering the sheep more profitable than their own people. Many Scottish families living on or near the West Coast of Scotland were 'invited' to a meeting place where the Chieftain and his Sheriff Officers would explain matters in more detail. When they left the building, they saw their homes and crofts on fire and were told that ships were waiting for them to take them to the New World, America or Canada, the only possessions they had were what they were carrying that day. Further inland, crofts were confiscated, the local population starved to the point that they had no option to leave and be 'escorted' by Sheriff Officers to waiting ships in other countries. The UK government backed this 100%.
Carl 2 years ago (edited)
in Colombia members of the military had poor or mentally impaired civilians, mostly poor farmers and homeless people, lured to remote parts of the country with offers of work, killed them, and presented them to authorities as members of guerilla/terrorist groups FARC and ELN killed in battle, in an effort to inflate body counts and receive promotions or other benefits. This happened during the presidency of Alvaro Uribe and was brushed off by the government as part of the armed conflict between the government and guerilla groups FARC and ELN. They have found huge mass graves full of these people all over the country. Also many mayors and members of congress who spoke up about this were assassinated or died under "mysterious circumstances". You can google "false positives Colombia" if you'd like to learn more about this.
JJ 2 years ago
Germany: 1) Until 1997 it was legally okay if a man raped his wife because they were married and it was considered to be her marital duty. 2) Until 2000 it was legally okay for parents to physically "punish" children. Since then it is forbidden, though some people still do it (though then child protective services come into play and have various ways to help children and their families). I think 2) is really nasty because even before 2000 it was forbidden and likely punishable to do physically assault and harm another adult - but harming your child was considered okay.
Francisco Alonso 2 years ago
The " Guerra cristera" in Mexico. The government banned all religions and they killed priests and people who defended their religion. It lasted 3 years in the 1920s.
Basil Adler! (he/him) 2 years ago
We’re known for being a polite and simple country but Canada has a pretty dark history. Residential schools and the “Indian act” are prime examples of how my countrys government treated Indigenous peoples. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/residential-schools. Over 4,118 Indigenous children were killed there, often buried alive :[ “The Indian Act attempted to generalize a vast and varied population of people and assimilate them into non-Indigenous society. It forbade First Nations peoples and communities from expressing their identities through governance and culture” - The Canadian Encyclopedia
Anjelika 2 years ago
Spain while it says on paper that it is one of the most accepting countries, it has alot of homophobia as well , something that has become worse, the hate speeches and crimes have been increasing lately, the romani are treated like second class citizens as well, racism, xenophobia etc
Mariele Scherzinger 2 years ago
I talked about this with my students. Is there a country which does not have a dark past? We came up with Iceland. (Not sure if it is true though - I don't know enough about its history...)
Kesam 2 years ago (edited)
So a lot of countries are (rightfully) criticized for "helping the nazis" but there's no mention of Germany itself in that context? I think if you ask me about a European country with a dark past, Germany would spring to mind first. 😉
Q B F T 2 years ago
The original post was "dark facts about your country that not many people know about".... Think Nazi Germany is fairly well-known.
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