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A smart man once said, "What is history but a fable agreed upon?" The idea is that history reflects the ideals and beliefs of the one who's teaching it and not necessarily what happened. Repeat a lie a thousand times and someone might actually start believing it.

Last week, Redditor u/throwaway000689 decided to find out which of these myths are the most popular and asked other platform users: "History buffs, what is a commonly held misconception that drives you up the wall every time you hear it?" People immediately started submitting their answers and provided valuable insights into our collective ignorance.

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30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That the further back in time you go the more sexually suppressed everything was or the more racist everyone was or the more misogynistic everyone was - basically any perception that the entirety of history can be charted as a steady progression. All of these things fluctuate. Women in Medieval Europe had more rights than women in 18th century Europe, our concept of racial superiority based on skin color would have come off as insane in many other eras, and I want to tear my hair out every time I hear someone claiming that it would have been scandalous to show an ankle in 19th century Europe. Hell, even in living memory none of these claims are accurate. The 70's were more sexually liberal than the 80's, and you would have to be dumber than a bag of sh*t to not see how much we're backsliding on human rights right now, especially women's rights - and yet people still overwhelmingly cling to the delusion that we're constantly marching ever and ever forward on all of these issues, each day more progressive than the last. It's just not true.

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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was a kid (late 80's, early 90's) I remember most women at the beach, a lot who had grown up in the 70's, being topless. Now when I do it, I'm often the only one and looked at like I'm a paria. Sucks really, seems like we're going backwards.

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The person who ignited the discussion, u/throwaway000689, came up with the idea for it quite spontaneously. "I was thinking about the conversation I had with my friend where he said that the reason for the downfall of the Roman empire was because of the rampant hedonism," the Redditor told Bored Panda, adding that they find this assessment completely wrong.

One might think that such talks are of little importance. After all, people live in the present, they plan for and worry about the future, but history is the study of the past. Why bother with what has been?

Peter N. Stearns, a professor at George Mason University, where he had been provost for 14 years, said the reason is quite simple: there's much to learn from the bygone days.

"In the first place, history offers a storehouse of information about how people and societies behave," Stearns wrote. "Understanding the operations of people and societies is difficult, though a number of disciplines make the attempt. An exclusive reliance on current data would needlessly handicap our efforts. How can we evaluate war if the nation is at peace—unless we use historical materials? How can we understand genius, the influence of technological innovation, or the role that beliefs play in shaping family life, if we don't use what we know about experiences in the past?"

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u/throwaway000689 agrees. "History [not only teaches us about the] mistakes of the past, [but it] also allows us to learn more about the world we live in which helps expand the mind of the average individual."

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    #2

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That people from the past were just less intelligent than modern people. Fact is, humans from even 15,000 years ago were just as intelligent as modern humans (intelligence being the ability to learn and apply knowledge). They just had different things to worry about and had not discovered everything that we know today.

    The whole of modern civilization is built on discovers made thousands or tens of thousands of years ago. Our ancestors, starting with nothing but stone tools and basic survival skills, created agriculture, writing, mathematics, standardized language, the wheel, metallurgy, ship building, architecture, trade routes spanning all of afro-eurasia, currency, banking, cross breeding of animals and plants to create better strains, the list goes on.

    If I plucked a human baby from thousands of years ago, properly immunized it to modern diseases, and raised it as any other child today, you would be unable to tell the difference between them or any other child.

    Fact is the only difference between us and our ancient ancestors is the discoveries, philosophies, technology and effort performed, created and understood by the hundreds of generations between us.

    Our ancient ancestors were simply smart in different ways because we only really learn what we have to. Ancient Polynesians literally memorized the night sky for navigating the innumerable islands of the Indo-Pacific and Oceania, Norse people's built ships capable of sailing from Europe to America using only hand tools, wood, linen, nails and rope. Ancient east Asian cultures built massive temples out of wood using only precisely crafted wood joints and no nails. Rome built, well, Rome, with hand tools and hand calculated math. Same can be said of the wonders of Egypt, India and mesopotamia.

    Then there is Göbekli Tepe, an amazing structure of precisely placed monoliths, engraved walls and cobblestone paths built nearly 12,000 years ago. Which is nearly 6000 years prior to our earliest records of advanced civilizations.

    We stand on the backs of thousands of years of knowledge painstakingly collected and handed down for millennia to us who have taken it and created wonders our ancestors would attribute to gods.

    Yet we ignore the gargantuan effort that our long dead kin have contributed to our success and even view them with distain. Calling them savages, ignorant and fools. Truly we are the ungrateful child looking down on the gracious teacher that our ancestors were.

    We are the summation of all of humanity, just another step in a long history of advancement, not a separate holy being above it or separate from it.

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    Fred Van Der Zee
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This. I once had a discussion with someone who thought the pyramids could only be built by aliens because the people in the past were too stupid to build them.

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    #3

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That white people were the only ones that traded in slavery. Forgetting about north and east africa where natives sold others mostly to the middle east. White women brought high prices and were often shipped great distances. Women in russia were also traded to the middle east.

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    Cecily Holland
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Africans did a roaring trade. It was the perfect way to get rid of an inconvenient rival or family member

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    However, the prevalence of these misconceptions can be indicative of the fact that history is losing in the academic popularity contest.

    According to statistics from the National Center for Education Statistics, there were 34,642 history majors in 2008. Fast forward to 2017, the count was just 24,266. Most of that decline occurred after 2012, with a notable single-year drop of more than 1,500 between 2016 and 2017.

    However, maybe it's not yet time to be ringing any alarm bells. Northeastern University’s Benjamin M. Schmidt pointed out that the history major has had low points before. The discipline weathered a significant decline from 1969 and 1985, when the major dropped by 66 percent.

    However, those numbers were linked to higher education’s boom in the ’60s that saw the discipline’s rapid expansion and subsequent bust when higher education growth slowed in the ’70s.

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    This drop is especially pronounced at private, not-for-profit institutions. While all demographic groups are impacted, the highest drops in the field have been seen among Asian-Americans and women.

    #4

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That Rosa Parks was just some nice old lady who wouldn't give up a bus seat.

    She was a political activist who meticulously planned that specific instance of civil protest.

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    Francc
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And what if she did? It was about time someone gave the middle finger to discrimination and the color bar of her time. I'm glad she had the courage to plan and carry it through.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Cowboys were not cool white guys with endless independence!!! Cowboys were in fact largely black, Mexican, and Native American men who were in need of money and were seen on the low end of social hierarchy. Originally they used whips and dogs to control their herd. Eventually the lazo became the lasso, chaparajos became chaps, and the sombrero turned into the ten gallon cowboy hat we know today. Herding cattle was hard work and was beneath “respectable white folk”. Cowboys worked in groups of 12 or so to herd thousands of cattle over hundreds of miles, and they too had a leader called the trail boss. Cowboys were in fact not rugged icons of independence, but took orders like everyone else and made wages lower than skilled factory pay. Cowboys could also come as young as 12 years old.

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    Mike Crow
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A little off topic, but many “wild west” towns and cities, even in Texas, didn’t allow people to carry guns inside the city/town limits. The people were sick of the gun fights and murders.

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    #6

    That Jewish people and other victims of the Holocaust went willingly to their death and no one fought back. While it’s true that a lot of victims did not believe the genocide was occurring and they were simply being relocated (Nazis/Hitler were very persuasive and no one could imagine a genocide), plenty fought back. There were resistance groups all over the place as well as people fighting from their homes when they were being taken for deportation. Guns were used, makeshift bombs, stolen bombs, etc. Not everyone was going to go to the concentration camps/death camps/detention centres without a fight.

    Been studying the Holocaust since 2008.

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    xolitaire
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe it's because I am German, but I have literally NEVER heard anyone say that. No one here (aside from neo nazis) believes the Jews died willingly like sheep. There is a vast number of interviews with holocaust survivors and in all of them you will here them say "And then I knew we were going to die." They knew. Most of them already knew on the trains taking them to the camps.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In People didn't die at 30-40. The high infant mortality rate skews the average. If you could survive into your teen years you had a pretty good chance of living into your senior years. Obviously there are a lot of factors to consider(eg class, gender, occupation, where you lived, etc.)

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    Monday
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Provided there wasn't a war...that would skew mortality rate for men quite a lot.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In It’s petty, but I hate it when people say that Marilyn Monroe was a size 12/14/16. This may have been true in the 1950s, but clothes sizes have changed A LOT since then. Reports of Marilyn’s measurements by her costumers noted that she was 5 ft. 5.5 inches tall; 35 inch bust; 22 inch waist; and 35 inch hips and 118 pounds. Of course her weight fluctuated, but it is simply dishonest to think that in modern times, she would have been considered “plus size.”

    In today’s sizing, depending on where she’d shop at, she would be a size 00-4.

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    Otter
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She was quite a slim woman, just a bit softer than is fashionable today.

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    #9

    The United States spent the majority of its time and resources in WWII fighting the Nazi’s to free the Jews.

    The majority of US fighting was in the Pacific theatre against Japan, because they bombed the sh*t out of us. We weren’t even going to join the war at first, only assist Britain.

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    Cecily Holland
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The USA wanted nothing to do with WW2 and refused several times get involved. Until the Japanese snuck up on Pearl Harbour where the yanks had conveniently parked all their boats which made Japans job very easy.

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    #10

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Knights weren't exactly chivalrous. It was a concept designed to make them appear magnanimous, and to justify their brutality among the common folk of their enemies when they weren't at war.

    Knights could even pay their respective kings to chicken out of fighting in a war if they were summoned to do so, which many did to keep on pillaging hovels full of bumpkins because it was easy sport.

    In short, a lot of Knights were rich, murderous bullies with too much free time on their hands.

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    Otter
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The whole "Courtly Love" thing was an attempt to actually make the knights behave chivalrously, to make following a code of honor fashionable, and to make knights less bullies and more... knightly. This started in the 12th century, after knights in shining armor had been around for a while, don't get me started.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In “Medieval peasant food was bland”

    People seem to think peasants only ate bread and potatoes with no seasoning. In reality, while salt was indeed a luxury they often couldn’t afford, they had access to plenty of herbs to flavor their food. They also had access to things like fish and other meats, so they weren’t just eating bread, though it was an important staple of their diet.

    If you’re interested in how a bunch of civilizations ate throughout history, check out Tasting History on YouTube. It’s a great source of historical information and entertainment.

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    Fred Van Der Zee
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The potato arrived in the West in the late 16th century anyway, so after the Middle Ages.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In "Even Einstein was bad at math"

    No, his grades were disclosed multiple times and showed very high marks in math.

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    Shelp
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Of course he wasn't, you can't work on high-level physics without any knowledge in maths

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    #13

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That Napoleon was short. Dude was 5"6'. Making him downright average for the European standard at the time. A brief investigation shows this was a rumor that his enemies spread in order to deminish his reputation and how serious his subjects took him. Funny error, but still an error

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    Jo Choto
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup, this is absolutely true. But it was also compounded by the fact that the French foot measurement was actually a couple of inches longer than the British foot measurement, which made him sound shorter.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That Neanderthals were monosyllabic brutes. There's no evidence of that whatsoever. Their brains were bigger than ours and casts of the inside of their skulls show that they had all the same structures our brains had. Their tool making was comparable to any Homo sapiens' took making (at least before the Great Leap Forward) and they lived in communities just like we did.

    We also regularly mated with them and had kids, which I really don't think we would if they were little more than quasi-gorillas.

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    Romenriel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And many people today have Neandrethal ancestors, meaning that Neandrethals weren't wiped out by modern men, but rather blended in with them.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Only around 40% of colonists supported the American Revolution. Another 40% was indifferent, and about 20% sided with the British. Most Americans think that it was the vast majority who wanted Independence.

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    Leo Domitrix
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wouldn't say indifferent so much as "not immediately involved", given what I know about US history. They were busy farming or whatever, and not really concerned with high ideals beyond, "Can I feed the family this winter? Is the cow sick? That's terrible about the deaths in Boston, but I live in Podunk, and we never see redcoats." So, typical human mindset, really. (See: Brexit.)

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    #16

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That witches could only be women. There were plenty of male ‘witches’ over hundreds of years. In fact there are lot of misconceptions about witchcraft in general

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    Shelp
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And also the witch trials occurred during the Early Modern Period, and not during the Middle Ages

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    I've mentioned this before but the Earth was mathematically proven to be spherical by the Ancient Greeks in the 3rd Century BC. Literate people, at very least, wouldn't have believed the Earth to be flat in the Medieval era.

    Furthermore, the Dark Ages weren't the Dark Ages because the Church allegedly suppressed science that they disagreed with. Many important discoveries were sponsored by the Church, and scientists/clergy were not mutually exclusive.

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    troufaki13
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ιt's been proven since the 3rd century BCE yet there are still people who think Earth is a floating raft smh

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    #18

    That carrots magically make your eyesight better. I still hear people say this to this day. Carrots are good for you, but not any better for your eyes than any other vegetable.

    In World War 2 when the Nazis were bombing Great Britain, they couldn't figure out how the Brits were able to shoot their planes down at night. British propaganda stated that their gunners and pilots ate a lot of carrots to improve their eyesight.

    In actuality they were covering up the fact that they'd invented RADAR and didn't want the Jerrys to know about it.

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    Jetze
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually I read somewhere it was not to hide the fact that the UK had radar (as the Germans had Freya and Wurzburg) radar systems, which the British knew and captured in operation Biting). But to hide the fact that the British had it miniaturised enough to allow mounting them on planes. For more info see https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/a-wwii-propaganda-campaign-popularized-the-myth-that-carrots-help-you-see-in-the-dark-28812484/

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    Oh, so many.

    Native Americans were just as capable of ecological destruction as any other humans. My favorite example of this was from my archeology professor who does excavations of Native American sites in Baja. In excavating a midden (trash heap) he found at the bottom were bones from the local land mammals, that got smaller and smaller as the locals over-hunted. Then was a level of fish and sea mammals -- again, starting with bone from large fish and mammals and getting smaller and smaller until they practically disappeared from over hunting and over fishing. Then on the top were the shellfish -- and again, the same pattern. Until apparently there was nothing left at this site to eat, and the Natives moved on.

    Native peoples used every bit of the animal when they had to, when said animals were tough to kill. North America didn't have horses between last ice age and Columbus. In fact, the favorite method for killing bison was to chase a herd off a cliff. And we know where this was done because the Natives left a whole lotta bones in the kill zone. Which we obviously couldn't find if they really used every part of the animal.

    Native Americans understood property rights. Various systems between tribes, from quasi-socialist bands of multiple families where all produce was held in common (but very explicitly belonged to the band and would be defended against outsiders), to land assigned to different families for use and periodically reapportioned, to land that was held by families and inheritable. My theory is that this myth was first started by colonists to justify stealing the land and then perpetuated as Rousseauian "look at how much better the primitives are!" nonsense.

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    sofacushionfort
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If we admire the native peoples for using every part of the animal, we must be over the moon about hot dog producers.

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    #20

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That AD means after death.

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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It gets so frustrating having people tell me that actually, it DOES mean after death. Correct my spelling please, but AD is Latin for Anno Domini, which translate roughly to English as 'the Year of Christ'

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In The myth about the Vomitorium

    The story goes that Roman nobility would go there to eat so much till they puked and would then continue eating.

    It was just the name for the Colosseum entrance.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That if you were a Peasant you could marry who ever you wanted for love and if you were a noble, royal or the like you could only marry for power During the Medieval period.

    Higher class people could and did (though it wasn't common) marry for love and most of the time Peasant marriages were arranged for the same reason as noble ones were, to link two families together, you very rarely got to marry who you liked it was usually who your parents liked.

    Also Prima nocta has, as far as I know was never actually being recorded as a thing.

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    xolitaire
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is not a "common misconception", its just a movie plot. Planned marriages were a super common thing all through Europe. Marriage itself was just a vehicle to ensure your children would take care of you and your belongings in the future.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In The belief that Anastasia did not die with the rest of her family

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    Vorknkx
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wait, you're telling me she didn't lose her memory and get hunted by an undead Rasputin and his albino bat???

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In I have had way too many of my university students tell me that Lincoln owned slaves.

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    Kira Okah
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He was anti slavery and didn't own slaves. I'm not American and know that. Oof.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In There is no record of Queen Victoria ever saying "We are not amused".

    And Roman gladiator fights usually weren't just pointless, bloody, fights to the death for scumbag convicts. The gladiators themselves were very highly trained celebrities who were very well looked after. It was entertainment done for show, much like WWE or similar today.

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    French revolution storming of the Bastille freeing hundreds of political prisoners.

    When in actual fact there were only 7 prisoners. (4 cheques forgers, a lunatic, a sexual deviant and a man who tried to assassinate King Louis XV 30 years ago).

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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ive read this too- also I believe the French did not celebrate it until about 100 years after it happened - I love France but I really dont understand Bastille Day in the same way I dont understand Guy Fawkes Day in the UK!!

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Deep breath.

    I've been studying the Titanic disaster for over three decades. Titanic comes up on reddit a lot, which I love because how cool that my nerdy hobby interests so many people, but the amount of misconceptions is large. This is no ones fault, nor is it ignorance, Titanic had the (un)lucky fortune to become a symbol very quickly, so very often what we think of as history is really folklore. That being said, here are the ones I see often.

    There is enough evidence, good evidence, where we can say that William Murdoch most likely did shoot himself. The scene James Cameron shot is a direct recreation of witness testimony- multiple witnesses actually. There is a huge amount of first hand and second hand evidence that this happened. Why it's thought to be a myth and why James Cameron had to apologize is actually another interesting part of the story but for the main question- in all my research, I've yet to see a fact based reason why we should think Will Murdoch was not a victim of suicide.

    2)On the same note- yes Charles Lightoller lowered early boats without filling them- as he should have. It wasn't incompetence or ignorance, there were many reasons why this was the best course of action and it was practiced throughout the night. To add- Titanic's crew weren't incompetent or unprepared, they were, quite literally, the best of the best.

    3)There were lifeboat drills. Multiple. Every night at 6pm.

    4)The 4th funnel wasn't fake- it just served a slightly different purpose than the first three.

    5) Titanic. was. not. speeding.

    6) Boats were not filled by class.

    7)Third Class was not locked below- but some of them thought they were. This is actually pretty interesting in that every view of this situation is the correct one. To refer to Cameron again- his portrayal of this is correct- depending on who you ask. It was miscommunication, not classism.

    9) Coal fire damage- not a thing and the "evidence" is just ... wrong.

    10) The switch theory not only makes no sense, it is literally impossible.

    11) Titanic wasn't a cruise ship. She was an ocean liner :)

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    Monday
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The switch theory is impossible...but still a very fun conspiracy theory to explore. It's also worth noting that one of the crew members on the titanic, Violet Jessop, survived not only the sinking of the Titanic, but also the sinkings of both the Olympic and the Britannic.

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    #28

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In The fact that Shah Jahan cut off hands of his workers after they completed Taj Mahal.

    There's literally no evidence except for tell tales.

    Many monuments were built after Taj Mahal under reign of Shah Jahan. Just think, who would work for you knowing that they're going to lose their hands if they did a good job.

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    #29

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Louis-Michel le Peletier cast the single vote that sentenced Louis XVI

    Actually the vote was a pretty clear majority in favor of execution

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    #30

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That corsets were uncomfortable and prevented free movement and breathing, so were a way of physically subjugating women.

    Firstly, this is often asserted by people who don't know the difference between bodies, stays and corsets, proving that they're waaaaay out of their lane.

    It's pretty obvious even just from contemporary art that women were perfectly capable of getting through physical labour including farm work in that kind of supportive garment whether stiffened with interfacing/stitching or "boning" (not necessarily made of bone). And if you've ever worn one, you'll know how great they are for supporting your back and core.

    They're much more comfortable than bras, in my opinion.

    Oh and they didn't leave red marks all over your skin because unlike a bra you'd never have worn one against your skin (too difficult to wash) but over a shift/chemise/combination garment of some kind. Try putting your bra OVER a tank top or similar, and note (1) no loss of support, (2) much kinder to the skin, and (3) bra needs much less frequent washing.

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    Leo Domitrix
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    BULLSH*T from a medical doctor. Many corset styles caused incredible harm, you're not meant to need anything to support your posture unless you are INJURED, and the boning was made of bones (whale, flexible) or metal, or WOOD, so don't try to sell this myth. Do NOT. We saw skeletal remains of women who were strictly corseted or "stayed" in med school. Girls were put into them before they finished growing. It may not have killed, but it wasn't like it was "good" fory ou. AND PEASANTS/FARMERS didn't wear high fashion, so duh they didn't wear the corsets seen in fashion! Good grief...

    Kira Okah
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are describing TIGHT-LACING, which was a small fashion fad among the upper class. TIGHT-LACING /= CORSETRY. Corsets and stays were generic undergarments for both men and women to support the body and lay the clothes. These were worn by lower classes too. The point of this person's comment is that it is a misconception that all corsetry is tight-lacing. It is not. You're describing something completely different to what they are.

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    Lenka Smetanová
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    well, this is quite complicated... there was corsets and "corsets". Normal corsets do the exact thing you mention here, it was basic part of clothes. But in higher stats, woman litteraly broken their ribs to look more thinnier. There are bones of little girls (7-15 yo) whos ribs was deformed , shoved several fractures from wearing a corsets and it was most possibly the cause of their early death

    Martha Meyer
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a myth too. Girls were not required to wear corsets before puberty. Some women however overdid “lacing“ for fashion. Kind of like those Instagram people overdo their filters these days.

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    Otter
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The discomfort of corsets varied tremendously over time. Some eras very tight lacing was in fashion and they had to be hell to wear, some other times they were worn rather loose and were meant to give shape to garments rather than to force the torso into an unnatural shape.

    Lyone Fein
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I suspect the looseness or tightness had a bit to do with the economic class of the wearer. Someone who had to work for a living would wear it loosely. Whereas a member of the upper class would, ironically, be compelled to wear it more tightly and be more restricted by it.

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    Mazer
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Please check the facts on the medical impacts of wearing the aforementioned undergarments. They are really not a good thing

    Monday
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A corset, if worn properly and not tied too tightly, is fantastic for your posture.

    Kathryn Baylis
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most people don’t know that dandies wore corsets during the mid-1800s (1830s to 1850s, I believe—-older dandies holding on to the fashion of their youth, or trying to hide a middle-age paunch, I would imagine). It was fashionable for men to lace in their waists to make their shoulders appear broader and more manly. I believe the Civil War was what hammered the last nail in the coffin of the fashion of men wearing corsets. Can’t fight a war if you have to be laced into a corset every morning.

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    Rissie
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's agree that this is a personal opinion and that any garment meant to shape a body impacts freedom of movement. Like wearing huge skirts and underskirts. Just because you can do physical labor in it, doesn't mean it's optimal

    Out of chocolate
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They’re essentially the precursor of the bra. The supreme push-up bras can be incredibly uncomfortable… if you’re jogging you’re gonna wish you had support (if your body does things like mine)

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    MyOpinionHasBeenServed
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just had this argument with my mom. If incorrectly sized and tight-laced, yes, a corset can be bad. But the same thing can be said for wearing bras that are too small, shoes that are too small and tight, low jeans (remember that issue, millennials?). Whale boning and tightlacing didn't come around until the mid-19th century and isn't synonymous with corsets. There was the option to do so, but not everyone was doing this. Men wore corsets, or girdles, too. I've been following fashion historians who make their own corsets and have tried out doing various activities while wearing them and the only complaint they have is difficulty bending over to put on shoes.

    Joanna
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the issue is that people don't distinguish between normal corset wear and tightlacing.

    Kathryn Baylis
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And, once laced, could use the hooks in the front to get themselves in and out of it—-no need for help until the lacing finally comes loose.

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    Phil Vaive
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only people who I have ever heard saying "corsets weren't actually bad!" are people who sell corsets.

    Alethia Nyx
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, because they are the people who actually know about them. Also fashion historians say the same thing.

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    RandomBeing
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh look i have to make this comment on corsets again. in short: CORSETS AND OTHER UNDERGARMENTS ARE NOT OBJECTIVELY GOOD OR BAD ITS COMPLEX SO STOP ADVERTISING THEM AS TOTALLY AMAZING OR TOTALLY AWFUL.

    jo neobi
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes yes yes for f*ck sake, I'm tired of hearing the hurting/fainting/etc thing, anyone who has handled a corset quickly realise how these myth are just stupid

    Izzy Curer
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We know that the corsets worn in the Victorian era restricted the lungs, which causes underoxygenation at even moderate amounts of activity (like walking up a flight of stairs, for instance). Over the long term, this can cause a slew of health problems.

    Kathryn Baylis
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I believe they called that “having the vapors”, basically the reason for fainting couches. Yep, couches designed specifically for fainting women. Gotta land somewhere when you lose consciousness, you know,

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    HorrorEyeArcade
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the myth thats corsets were torture devices i believe was actually started by men. but yeah, corsets worked very well as long as you didn't lace them too tight. And. you know, probably not a good idea to sleep in them.

    RandomBeing
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Though they also caused your body to become somewhat dependent on them for structural support. Similar thing happen with bras but on a smaller scale and its more with just the boobs.

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    BoopBoop
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I own and wear a high quality handmade corset to period costuming events. They are not more comfortable than a bra. If you think that, you need to buy better bras.

    somnomania
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I want a corset so badly, but money. I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, so my connective tissue is all bad. My posture is terrible; if I'm not focused 110% on it, everything starts folding towards gravity. I have some supportive wraps meant for post-partum use, that I use when I have a rib out of place or am going to need to be upright for a period of time, but a corset would be far easier and likely better for me.

    Mrs S
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    WARNING This thread goes on for quite a bit; you may want to skim over the repetitive parts ;-)

    Irish Lad
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Corsets were comfortable? Now that is a first. So was allowing free movement and easy breathing. Are you wearing a bra made in the 30's? 'Cause my wife says she suffers no problem like you report unless you are larger than 38DD.

    C OnlyC
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wore a custom corset from Period Corsets for several years. I did not lace it tight and only wore when I had to stand a lot, such as cooking. It had a flexible busk and boning. It was literally like a light uplifting hug. Ive since had a breast reduction. I loved that corset. Sold it to an actress.

    Deep One
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just out of curiosity. (I'm a man and far too fat/socially inept to have a girl friend) but with what I have heard about bras being expensive and uncomfortable, why don't they have under-bra garments or liners that are made to wash and made of something soft like silk or a artificial equivalent?

    wv10014
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There were so many types of corsets during different eras, in different geographical areas, to satisfy different purposes (support or even adding comfort vs restrictions due to style or cultural expectations)! How can anyone give a blanket statement about corsets? Even KK (you know who) has a line of modern corsets and there is spanx -- these products also fall into the category of corsets and we can debate whether they are good (an option to make someone feel better about themselves on a special evening) or bad (promote body dysmorphic disorder or bad examples for children etc wtc)

    NatalieC
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I thought that corsets were the reason that "fainting couches" were invented.

    SomePeopleCallMeMaurice
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just want to point out, regardless of what the corset/bodice/etc was made of or how it was tied, the loose-fitting and draped flapper style that came about in the 1920’s, was largely backlash from women being trapped in bindings for hundreds of years. With the newly won women’s right to vote, it was both tangible and symbolic evidence of women’s reach for more and more independence.

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    #31

    People love to portray Napoleon with a French accent. Napoleon actually had an Italian accent.

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    Ryan Deschanel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And he was bullied in school for that... They almost treated him like a foreigner, because he was born one year after Corsica became French.

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    #32

    Oh God, where to begin... That the Europeans in the Middle Ages didn't bathe, that the US was founded as a Christian nation (Treaty of Tripoli, anyone?), the pyramids were built by slaves, that ye olde life expectancy was abysmally short (only of you're one of those darn infants bringing the average down...).

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    Susan De Nimes
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The pilgrims left England because they wanted to be less tolerant than society was comfortable with at the time.

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    #33

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In During Paul Revere's Midnight Ride he did not shout "the British are coming!" The mission depended on secrecy so shouting loudly the "British are coming" kinda defeats the whole purpose.

    According to several sources (e.g., eyewitness accounts) his warning was likely "the Regulars are coming out" or some variation of that and probably not loud enough to wake up a village (as I've seen in some media renditions).

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    Ryan Deschanel
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "The British are coming! -I am British, you are British, we are all British! Also, shut up, you woke up my baby!"

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    #34

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In People are usually dead wrong about when the Roman Empire fell. Because of political, religious, and cultural reasons - we often think of the Roman Empire falling in the end of the 4th century. Except, it didn't. That was when the Rome fell, but by that time Constantinople had become the capital of the empire and that political lineage lasted until 1453.

    There are a lot 'but they spoke Greek', and 'they weren't...whatever', normally by people who just can't let go of what they were taught in high school. Yes, the ERE became Greek in language and culture, and yes they were much more Asian than the western empire. None of that changes the fact that the political line of the empire was unbroken through the middle ages.

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    #35

    WW1 trench combat was nothing like how most people think about it. The common misconception is that people stared at each other with machine guns until some idiot general forced his soldiers to run into machine gun fire and they all got brutally mowed down while the enemy cracked open a beer.

    The reality is much, much more complex. Artillery did an excellent job of suppressing machine guns and clearing barbed wire, forcing defending troops to hunker in deep shelters while the attacking infantry were free to advance. As a result, the attackers generally had a pretty substantial advantage in the war, and casualty ratios support this- across the war, attackers almost always had equal or lower casualties than defenders.

    What forced the stalemate was not that it was impossible to attack, but rather that it was impossible to defend against counterattacks.

    Once you've taken the enemy's first line of trenches(and they have much more than one line), because of your own artillery, it is now almost impossible to reinforce and consolidate your hard-earned territory. Your own artillery has blown apart the terrain between the trenches enough that it's very, very difficult to get supplies or men across, and it generally doesn't have the range to suppress enemy counterattacks further back(because if it did, then it'd be open to counterbattery fire, which would result in you losing all your artillery).

    Ad a result, you now have to defend against a counterattack that does have artillery and the attacker's advantage, and you don't have any defender's advantage because you haven't

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    Caro Caro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did you know that about 40 thousand (!) died of drowning in the mud in Northern France? To this day human bones are still found, collected and respectfully buried or put in a ossuary.

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    #36

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That Vikings were an ethnicity.

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    Shelp
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not sure to get this one. "Viking" means "seafarer", but at the end of the day they all were Norsemen

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    #37

    That the Library of Alexandria was callously destroyed in a big, dramatic event in which all of the ancient world’s knowledge was lost forever.

    Like most things, the Library of Alexandria had its rise, its peak, and its ultimate decline, with highs and lows in between. It also certainly was not the only prestigious library in the world at the time, not to mention personal collections kept by the wealthy. To act as if all of the world’s knowledge was recorded one time only and then stockpiled in one place is ludicrous.

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    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Marie Antoinette's famous "let them eat cake" or "let them eat brioche". She literally never said it. She was 9 at the time and it was entirely made up.

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    Shelp
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is BS. She may have not said that, but she was 34 at the time, and not 9.

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    #39

    There is no evidence that Franklin ever said that beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. But it is a cool quote so I will continue to use it.

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    #40

    Sweden is a neutral country. Since we declared neutrality we fought in the Finnish civil war, the winter war, technically ww2, over 5 different un campaigns including the Congo crisis and now the wars in the Middle East.

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    J. F.
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They earned quite the reputation as "Trigger happiest peace force" in Bosnia during UNPROFOR, especially the "Nordbat 2" battalion

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    #41

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Germany invaded Russia on June 22, not “in the winter” as people say.

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    #42

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Nothing drives me up the wall when it comes to History. I love to inform people and get them asking questions. History has been taught in such a dry manner and now that we have internet, we are able to take pages worth of text and condense it into entertaining information instead of a single paragraph in a book that covers whole decades.

    My "favorite" common misconception is that the Nazi Army was the most advanced, fully mechanized fighting force in the world. The truth is a handful of people were put in charge of portraying that image and they were so good at their job that this image still holds up today.

    The Axis was never, ever going to win. The Allies just had their heads in the sand and didn't stop Hitler when they could, and they had many chances. If WW2 looked like the end report of a Chess game, it would look a little like this:

    Allies - 9,500 Mistakes 500 Blunders, 1,000 Missed Wins.

    Axis - 5,000 Mistakes, 200 Blunders, 5 Missed Wins.

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    Chich
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And contrary to Hollywood, it wasn't the Brits or US who defeated the Nazis, it was Russia.

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    #43

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In Classics buff. It's Pandora's jar, not Pandora's box.

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    Krásnoočko Zelené
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry but this is just a needless nitpick. Pandora is not a historical figure and whether she had a jar or a box is completely inconsequential for the story.

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    #44

    That bushido is some ancient, archaic code of honor held by samurai that made them totally infallible and above the “dishonorable” acts that shinobi would commit.

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    Paul Davis
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the idea of "shinobi" covered a wide range of spies. Some being amateurs pressed into service ad-hoc, some with special training.

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    #45

    30 People Share Historical 'Facts' That Have Been Proven Wrong Long Ago, But Many People Still Believe In That the Boston Tea Party was some patriotic protest against taxes. That is totally wrong.

    Rather, it was a protest by the local tea smugglers that there was no more tea duty -- it destroyed their smuggling business.

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    Lyone Fein
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't know where this one comes from. The Wikipedia article cited says nothing about tea smuggling, nor about the British doing away with the taxes/duty on the tea. Whoever wrote this misread the article. It clearly states that the British government had passed a new Tea Act, which enabled them to tax the tea sent to the colonies. The Boston Tea Party was a protest against having taxes levied by a government that did not have any elected representatives of the colonial population.

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    #46

    That WV was part of the Confederacy.

    Spoilers: It wasn't. It was part of the North.

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    Tiny Dynamine
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    WV means West Virginia. I wish people would stop assuming the entire world must know everything about the USA.

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    #47

    That people's surnames were changed at Ellis Island.

    They were not

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    cb !!!
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They were occasionally misheard and used as the misheard version though, right? You can't trace my family tree past Ellis because it's been horribly butchered and American-ized (or so I have been told?)

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    #48

    WW1 happened because the driver took the wrong turn. It did happened, but it was a trigger that turns political heat into actual war, not a cause.

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    #49

    Jim Jones didn't give the faithful coolaid to drink. It was flavoraid.

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    bumble bee
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And if he gave them poisoned hydrox cookies, everyone will still call them oreo's

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